Thread 23412308

If Char successfully destroyed the Earth by throwing Axis into it how long would have the colonies lasted without any intervention from the Earth?

>>23412308 (OP)
i don't like taking unicorn into account. but if full frontal had a reasonably workable plan for making the colonies an independent economic block that can pressure earth, then maybe the same is possible ~3 years earlier.
i don't really know how much the economics changed from CCA to unicorn, though.

>>23412308 (OP)
Hitting the Earth with Axis might have even thrown off the Lagrange points, or sent so much debris careening through space that it'd regularly hit the colonies and kill humanity as a whole.

>>23413154
Jupiter would be unaffected, they could feasibly collect the surviving colonies through military force, reduce the adult male population through a not so clandestine scheme to repair the other colonies, then use the spare land in the colonies for food production. It may take twenty years before humanity is out of the critical danger zone and the human race is thoroughly Jovianized, but humanity would survive.

>>23413163
The colonies were already food positive, given they exported food to Earth.

>>23413163
The colonies might be destroyed before that plan can begin, and the Jovians might just kill the incoming survivors both due to being Jovians and to not have to deal with schizos who blew up their own colonies and the Earth.

>>23412308 (OP)
Eternity.

>>23413168
But we know from G-Savior (and G-Reco's UC history) that there's some inevitable food crisis that happens

>>23413317
That is because post Victory the Sides all split up government wise and start fighting each other ala the Japanese warring states period. That leads to destroyed colonies, loss of technology, and less trade between hostile Sides. If Earth was just destroyed, it would be more likely for them to stay together.

>>23412308 (OP)
If Axis dropped Earth would be fine in a few years once the lava storms settle down.

>>23413355
I can't help but imagine the sides racing to colonize the newly sterilized Earth.

Would Char even live long enough to deal with the consequences? Everyone would be gunning for him, least of all Hathaway anf Bright

>>23413168
not once the earth refugees come pouring in. best case scenario, the Lunar cities expand at a higher rate

>>23413325
post F91, really

>>23412308 (OP)
>If Char successfully destroyed the Earth by throwing Axis into it how long would have the colonies lasted without any intervention from the Earth?
By that point int he story, the colonies were actually self-sufficient. Earth was actually "importing" food (cough taxing cough) and materials from the colonies to survive. 0083's and ZZ Colony drop had destroyed the Earth's Farmland. If Char was successful in CCA, then the colonies would have less burden on them.

>>23413462
That's the best part of the plan from Char's pov.

>>23413508
That's where it happens practically, but after the LM (the militia) end up defeating Zanscare without the Federation doing anything, the colonies stop pretending the Federation has power.

>>23413508
It got worse after Victory. The Zanscare war basically illustrated how non-existent the Earth Federation's ability to project power really was so most Sides and parts of Earth used it as a means to declare independence.

>>23412308 (OP)
Char wasn't out to destroy it as in Death Star. He was out to cause a crazy nuclear winter that would force everyone to leave.

>>23413522
Was the EF Fleet that joined for the Angel Halo battles there on the orders of the EF itself or did they go rogue because Uso's dad recruited them? My memory of the details in Victory are pretty fuzzy.

>>23414138
I'm not sure it was ever specified.

>>23414142
>>23414138
I haven't rewatched Victory recently, but Crossbone: Ghost implied it was a full LM fleet as it only talked about the LM fleet attacking the Halo as they tried to stop the Zanscare guy with the bio weapon.

>>23413723
No one is escaping the layer of ash and smoke around the planet. Depending on where it lands, like the ocean, most of the spaceports would be fucked instantly. They were as good as dead. Don't know why you think Char wanted anyone to survive that, it's a legitimately genocidal event. Axis was 3x the size of the Chicxulub asteroid and accelerated using the nuclear engines, and that changed the whole ecosystem of Earth

>>23414325
Not canon. They're explicitly feddie remnants in feddie uniforms working together with LM.

>>23414361
To be fair that doesn't necessarily mean they were authorized to be there. They could have said "fuck it, we need to deal with the Angel Halo" and come against orders knowing they'd likely die fending off Zanscare.

>>23414374
Ok but you're describing everything the federation does after the OYW. The AEUG? Feddies going AWOL to fight other feddies. Some of the bases like the one on Granada were helping the AEUG while on active duty. Ok, they were absent in ZZ but in CCA same thing. Londo Bell goes and fights a mini war on its own against Char, then the other fleets show up at the end to help Amuro push back Axis. F91, same thing. The federation garrison at the Frontier colonies were fighting on their own because they heard rumors the Crossbone were planning a genocide while the leaders were vacationing on earth and then a lone fleet shows up later to investigate and gets blown up by the Rafflesia. And Victory, we see feddies around Earth fighting the Zanscare, like the guys on that beach town who get rolled over by the Motorad fleet and then the fleet at the end led by notRevil. Feddies are decentralized because of how big the federation is. They don't wait around for the approval of the top brass.

>>23414138
>>23414361
>>23414374
Pretty sure during most of the show anytime a javelin or jamesgun shows up its EF. During the final battle EF admiral helps fight Zanscare with EF ships and MS. Though i don't know if any of it is sanctioned by the EF civilian government.

>>23414394
And this is why the Feddies end up losing power, because after the OYW they've become a weak and powerless state that twiddles its thumbs waiting for people to fight independently before moving in to try to claim victory.

>>23414418
If people used their independence appropriately that wouldn't be a problem. UC needs a strong ruler. Zeon wasn't wrong. The Man Hunters were a step in the right direction but came too little too late. G-Reco probably represents the best case scenario

>>23414374
>>23414325
It's not a plot point that they're going against orders though, so you'd just assume it's official Federation troops.

I can easily see the Crossbone manga downplaying it though since it wants to highlight a completely powerless and useless Federation by that time.

>>23414359
Do we have a number for Axis's expected velocity, maybe from one of the databooks?

>>23414439
>Do we have a number for Axis's expected velocity, maybe from one of the databooks?
lol. lmao

>>23414579
It's not an unreasonable question. Gundam Century has plenty of values for Operation British.

>>23414607
It's probably much faster than a Colony drop. Char used nuclear pulse engines to accelerate the asteroid, and Char wanted to ensure the planet went into a apocalyptic winter upon impact.

>>23412308 (OP)
Realistically?
The colonies would, within a few years, start their infighting over who should be leading everything.

>>23414635
>It's probably much faster than a Colony drop. Char used nuclear pulse engines to accelerate the asteroid
Nuclear pulse engines were also used to move nearly every other colony used in a colony drop.

>Char wanted to ensure the planet went into a apocalyptic winter upon impact
That was supposed to be a result of the nuclear warheads Char stole from Luna II, not merely as a result of dropping Axis itself.

>>23413462
No Char would willingly go down with Axis.

>>23414138
They went rogue. They were mad that the EF had them basically do nothing the as the giant motorcycles rampaged.

>>23413154
Do you think Earth would have fucking exploded like Planet Vegeta or something? Lol, colonies would have completely unaffected.

>>23417232
>That was supposed to be a result of the nuclear warheads Char stole from Luna II, not merely as a result of dropping Axis itself.
No.

Axis hitting earth will cause a massive impact which will send massive dust into the atmosphere. This dust will block sunlight and send the earth into an ice age for hundreds of years. Possibly a few thousand years.

The war heads will contaminate environment with radiation which will prevent any stubborn holdouts from trying to stay. The radiation will gradually kill any humans who refuses to leave. In addition, it will destroy the ability to grow food and contaminate the buildings and cities in radioactivity. People will die if they stay.

>>23417232
>Nuclear pulse engines were also used to move nearly every other colony used in a colony drop.
Char wanted to wreck the entire planet. So he probably crammed Axis at full speed with his foot on the gas and didn't care where it hit as long as Axis hit. A Zeon colony drop is weaker.

>>23420072
Iirc Axis was even larger than the dino killer, maybe on par with Verdofort.

>>23413462
Chars plan never included himself surviving.

>>23413154
You have to understand that a big fucking rock getting dumped on the planet is only going to fuck with its surface, the planet itself won't give a fuck.

>>23413462
CCA is Char desperately looking for a way to kill himself in the most glorious way possible.