Thread 23417328

I just finished Macross Frontier, it was my first Macross, and I want to know what /m/ anons think of it and of the Macross series in general.
It was a fun ride. Was kind of taken aback by the pop singer/pop idol focus, but it managed to win me over with the fun of what it was doing.

Have some complaints and kind of need to vent, but I want to get the discussion started
What do people think of this series?

Doggystyle ranka.

>>23417355
Ranka is for loving sex with hand holding and making her pregnant.

>>23417328 (OP)
Frontier isn't my favorite Macross 7 is my favorite entry but I really think it's probably the best "modern" Macross we could ever possibly see.
Frontier and the original show are obviously pretty different, but I think Frontier is still reminiscent enough of the original show, and it just dials all of that up to 11, so it really feels like a big huge celebration of Macross to me. Shame that the movies are nowhere near as good as the show though.
Delta unfortunately goes too far out of control and is just terrible. I'm not even one of those autists who seethes at the idol stuff, the problem is just that all the idol stuff in Delta is fucking boring and everybody except for Ranka, Mirage, and Hayate are totally uninteresting. I don't even think those three are particularly good either (except for Mirage's big fat ass) but at least they feel like human beings with life in them. Also most of the music in Delta is shit.
Clearly they could have made a show that didn't suck though since Zettai Live is so good; actually exciting plot, great action, and the Yami-Q-Ray songs are some of my favorite Macross songs.

>>23417419
>Ranka, Mirage, and Hayate
My bad, meant to type Freyja, not Ranka

>>23417355
>>23417364
Hahahaha oh man
This is funny
So I feel like my approach to Anime in general started kind of detached from traditional fandoms and fandom cultures.
I knew memes like "best girl/worst girl", I knew about the Asuka vs. Rei debates, but because of the way I approached anime I never *really* participated in any of that culture. Even only until recently, like in the past 6 years, have I started watching seasonal stuff and actively participating in current discussions, and even then I don't tend to feel strongly about characters. If I do I usually focus on characters I strongly like.
So I feel like my approach to anime has been kind of detached. I've accepted most of the stuff I stuck with and watched without feeling very passionate *dislike* about any characters.

Ranka might be the first character to pull visceral and irrational dislike out of me. I cannot explain why: something about her character design drives me up the wall.
Might also be overuse of Aimo in the story - felt like there were at least 5 climactic moments in episodes where Ranka singing Aimo was the crux, and that might contribute to my problem with her.
It's a strange feeling, because I didn't start hating her until about halfway, maybe a little more than halfway into the season. And I can't put my finger on exactly why.
Maybe just "not my type of girl" but I've never come across a character so "not my type" before.
Could get more into this it's just funny that these are the first posts

>>23417419
So is the rest of the Macross series this kind of thing, the singer/performer stories juxtaposed with the mecha?
And where should I start if I wanted to really get into the series (if not just release order)

>>23417474
>So is the rest of the Macross series this kind of thing, the singer/performer stories juxtaposed with the mecha?
For all intents and purposes, yes.
>And where should I start if I wanted to really get into the series (if not just release order)
Definitely just go back and watch the original show (and Do You Remember Love?), go in release order from there unless something really strikes your fancy.
>Original Show
If you liked Frontier, and are a true /m/an, you will like it. The show is ugly as fucking sin but I think it still genuinely holds up and is a great watch.
>DYRL?
"Reimagining" of the original show, one of the greatest films ever made. Simple enough.
>Macross Plus
Macross for people who don't like Macross. It's still fantastic mind you, but if all the idol business rubs you the wrong way then this is the entry for you. There's the OVAs and a movie, basically the same story, only major difference is the ending. Watch the OVA first, save the movie for a rewatch.
>Macross 7
One of the best anime ever made. It's a love it or hate it show though, get ready to listen to his song.
>Macross Zero
Shitty Star Wars Prequel lore additions aside, it's fine, quick watch and the 3D in it is stellar.
>Macross Delta
Sucks, if you're really pressed for time just watch the recap movie+Zettai Live

>>23417328 (OP)
I had fun as it was running but have no strong desire to rewatch it on my own
ninjin loves you was a fun addition to the meme pile, especially for its usage in that 0083 gif
had a blast watching some live via pirate streams while we posted here, like when that one character starts talking about loving that other one just before combat we were hooting and hollering like AWWWWWW SHIT THEYRE TALKING FEELINGS SOMEBODY GONNA DIE or when the FAST packs were deployed

>>23417486
>Macross Plus
>but if all the idol business rubs you the wrong way then this is the entry for you.
I ended up liking the idol stuff a lot, it reminded me of the kind of thing my sister used to like, it was just surprising! I wasn't expecting it to be almost the real focus of the show over the mecha.
It forced me into a totally different mindset than what I usually watch /m/ stuff with

>>23417328 (OP)
Watching Frontier felt a lot like watching Aquarion, only you can tell Kawamori has a bigger budget and actually cares about the show. But watching it still felt like watching Aquarion.

Ok I've got to get this off my chest

Ranka Lee is the first character in over a decade of watching anime who has viscerally bothered me and who I would go as far as to call WORST GIRL in her show
It's hard to pinpoint exactly why, I think it might just be irrational hatred!!
but here are some sticking points
>she's meant to be a plain or average girl next to Sheryl
I can accept this as a story concept, Ranka is an underdog, but I think I have a hard time swallowing the girl-next-door thing when she's also an amnesiac with a mysterious connection to the Vajra. Plain Jane underdog in the pop music world and "mysterious chosen one" of the Vajra refuse to gel in my brain. You're one or the other sister!
>she's meant to be a plain or average girl next to Sheryl
Ok and this ALSO bothers me because of the brutal reality that being a pop idol is like the one career where you simply cannot merely be a Plain Jane.
The whole thing also highlights the issue of Anime as a lie, which I am usually able to accept and enjoy - it's telling a story about an average looking girl, or at least a girl who doesn't have the same kind of overwhelming presence as Sheryl, except Ranka isn't an average girl, she's an idealized cartoon of an average girl - so it's not the story of a real girl making it in the pop world, it's the story of an idealized anime conception of a Plain Jane girl, who is necessarily cleaner, more designed, and "flawless" than even the most attractive women in real life - she's a FAKE!!!
>creepy/cute Vajra pet thing
>overuse of her songs, esp Aimo
Saw her singing at the Vajra at least 5 times in the course of the show; felt like something you do twice
>intestinal problems
They explain this in the last episode, but I think I saw it coming, or felt it coming
Ranka is connected to the Vajra by her V-type infection intestinal bacteria
It was about halfway through the show I started hating her, and it might have been because of that - the sense that she's somehow infested

>>23417474
Nobody asked, doggystyle ranka.

Honestly I don't fully understand why she bothered me so much >>23417660
I think on some level it is just irrational
But it got to a point where I was viscerally cringing at a few times when she was on screen. There's that one shot of her smiling with her fang tooth that you could tell the showrunners thought was really cute: it was like a jumpscare!
I feel a little bad for disliking her because the whole point of her character is the underdog contrast to Sheryl, so it's like I'm irrationally hating on the underdog, but again I feel I could accept that "underdog pop singer" story on its own, if it weren't tied to Ranka being a chosen one.

It's funny to me how much she bothers me xP

>>23417708
Literally WHY though

>>23417364
Then what's Sheryl for?

>>23417789
the same?

Sheryl sexo

>>23417818
I was thinking of paizuri.

>>23417328 (OP)
Its a great series, although most of the entries are substantially different than each other, which is a good thing when most new anime is just chasing the latest isekai or shonen slop trend. For the rest of the series you just need to try them.
If you especially like the Valkyrie fights, then try Zero or Plus. If you want more music then try 7 or if you are brain dead Delta. If you want a mix or everything watch the original.
Its also worth noting that unlike Gundam it is worth watching both the series and the movies for most of the series. The movies have much larger budgets and different plots than the series.

>>23417364
>>23417355

>>23417789
One night stand creampie.

Loli Sheryl a best

>>23417328 (OP)
I've finished Macross Frontier recently too. Currently halfway through Delta.

I think Frontier was pretty damn good. probably my favorite, or at least the one that makes me think about it constantly after I finished it. But I feel it was too short to properly flesh everything out, and the villains were weak. I'm even more baffled by the changes the movies made, and if it wasn't for pushing Sheryl more, I'd downright probably dislike them alot more.

FUCK, MARRY, KILL?

>>23418242
Fuck Ranka
Marry Sheryl
Kill Alto

Simple as.

>>23418244
This but I'll also kill you so they're both mine

>>23418257
Acceptable, Sheryl is worth dying for.

>>23418257
>>23418259
She has enough hopes and dreams for both of you, there's no need to kill.

>>23417355
Is she called Ranka as her vagoo reeks?

>>23418006
Would her queef suffocate?

>>23417486
>Macross Plus
>Macross for people who don't like Macross.
Can confirm on this one as someone who really hates the idol shit in Macross. DYRL is a top tier anime film, though.

>>23417486
Very accurate assessment,
Though I am not ashamed to admit I kinda liked Delta, though in terms of Macross it was indeed shit. The only one I could put below it (VERY definitively) is Zero. Oh right, II is a thing. That too

>>23418607
Macross Plus was made before Macross was so ingratiated in Idol shit.
>But Minmay...

THERE'S A HUGE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT MINMAY DID AND HOW FRONTIER AND DELTA DID IT! At least Seven had the decency to give us a different music genre. People who say Macross is purely about Idol shit miss the point just as hard.

>>23418944
>People who say Macross is purely about Idol shit
Nobody says that, however you and other retards like to pretend that Macross was only about space planes fighting big aliens and THAT'S missing the point.

>>23418944
Better argument to make is how Macross 7 decided to push music as a more deliberate force in the world, which trickled down to other entries later on. Sound Force existing, is what led to the other entries massive focus on music affecting the enemy. It's like how they can't not have a love triangle now. It's too ingrained in peoples thoughts of the series.

>>23419507
>Sound Force existing, is what led to the other entries massive focus on music affecting the enemy
Did you not watch SDF?

>>23419922
People forget a lot about SDF. You didn't even need music to stop Zentradi.

>>23419956
Man, I barely remember SDF. Although the memories it conjures are warm and fuzzy, such good times.

>>23419922
Zentraedia could be stopped by babies and any and all culture related things. Not just music.
>>23419507
>>23419922
If anything the original sin was DYRL movie which still showed some other ways of stopping Zentraedi mind you.

DYRL placed a bit more emphasis on it than the TV show. Then 7 and plus codified music playing a big part (especially 7). Heck I'd argue 7 took it and ran away with it.
And so Frontier and Delta are just the result of that.
7 was basically a series flanderization already which Delta and Frontier built upon.

>>23419922
Yeah, but SDF was because of reigniting 'culture' in the alien races that lost it in their everlasting war. I get it was music that ended it, but it wasn't ALL music. It was also the reintegration of romance, sex, entertainment as well as the reclamation of humanities normalcy AND the bonds formed between them (literally in the case of Max and Milia).

Macross 7 being all about Basara's music working against the enemy and UNS/NUNS running with that in later entries coincides with how strong idol culture is and how pushed it's become. I'm honestly surprised there's not been a current darker take on the idols of Macross paralleling darker takes on idols, such as the inability to have relationships or the control over their lives (disregarding that one bit in 7 Dynamite of Mylene getting assaulted)

>>23420160
Greentexting is not an argument shitposter.

>>23420023
No patient zero was Scrambled Valkyrie with the Minmay cannon. Also 7, Frontier, and Delta still deal with understand other races cultures even if the music has some more tangible effect. Hell in Plus and II it's also a straight up a mind control power.

>>23420018
>and all culture related things. Not just music.

I feel like this is something that we really should have taken more advantage of. Focus more on culture and arts on the whole. I know it's easier to sell CDs this way but why not poetry, why no painting. Isamu got pretty creative with his smoke trails.

>>23420241
>why not poetry, why no painting
You want macross to be even gayer?

>>23420012
I remember the episode where Hikaru and Minmay get lost in an abandoned part of the ship and he busts a pipe so she can take a shower then they had a fake wedding, and I think she suggested they kill themselves if they're not found.

>>23418242
Turn around and say "They're all yours, Alto!" Honestly, why do I always think this is the only closed triangle among the love triangles in the show, where some have one successful line and the other would lose or just won't care? And there are examples of one girl dying, too.

>>23420283
>You want macross to be even gayer?
I mean if you're gonna go anything always go hard.

>>23418242
Yes. In that order.

>>23420241
I think they were trying to go that way with Alto's kabuki training and Hayate's battroid dancing, but those quirks didn't get the focus they should have.

>>23417328 (OP)
Frontier is overall my favorite Macross (the highs of the original are far higher than Frontier), and it has the best exploration of the entire setting. It's one of the few shows (along with Escaflowne, Bebop, GitS, Darker than Black, InuYasha, Kimagure Orange Road, and Urusei Yatsura) where I can put on a random episode and enjoy a 30 minute comfy ride.

>>23420822
OP here, I think I get that. My admittedly irrational dislike of Ranka aside, it was a really fun show. And I had a moment during the Ep with Alto and Ranka are stranded on Galia 4 where the show was giving me my favorite type of adventure sci-fi.

>>23418242
Fuck Sheryl, marry Sheryl, kill no one

It’s so good
Soooooooo gooood

Fuck it I’m going to rewatch it next week.

>>23420600
They really didn't commit. Especially to the latter. It made for a nice "meet cute" early on but I remember expecting to kind of pay off into why Hayate could fly and maybe see Mirage learn to boogie. That would have made a neat show. I liked Delta on the whole but I can't help but think what it could have been.

>>23421873
At the start of Delta I really thought there would be more focus on Battroid combat to play into Hayate's dancing, but it really just turned into more dogfights.

>>23417474
Easy, Sheryl simply has better chemistry with Alto since day 1, she made him curious and all tingly. Meanwhile Ranka is just his boss' daughter/sister, and it's pretty cringe to watch because she didn't quite realize that for a long time.

>>23417660
I think you missed the irony in sheryl-ranka dynamic.
Sheryl is the actual cinderella, she was just a slum kid her manager recruited because she has some affinity with vajra. As you say, Ranka has extremely good luck in the industry because she's not a plain jane at all.

>>23421685
Also, impregnate Sheryl as well.

>>23418242
fuck ranka, marry sheryl, kill alto

>>23421986
Ditto. Honestly It kind of felt like the battroids barely even existed.

>>23422248
Didn't they use the arm shields a lot? I thought that required battroid mode

>>23417419
The two movies truly fixed a Lot of issues with delta, specially the awful pacing

>>23417328 (OP)
I got into Macross when frontier first aired. I've watched all of it since and I really enjoy the seroes as a whole. It's been years since I've seen anything from it and it had kind of drifted out of my mind untill I saw this post

I enjoyed frontier a lot, especially being green to the whole series. I vividly remember how amazing that first preview episode was and how fucking cool it looked and sounded. Blew me away back then.

>>23417660
I dislike Ranka aswell. It also doesnt help dat Sheryl went from aloof distant person to extremely likeable and precious. Especially in the movies.

>>23417419
I liked rune ga pikatto hikattara

>>23417328 (OP)
Frontier is one the better ones. DYRL is the peak of the series meanwhile 7 and Delta are just bad.

>>23424282
In retardville maybe.

>>23424282
>7
>bad
Fightin words nigga

Ranka was robbed.

>>23417328 (OP)
It's great even if it's not my favorite entry. I found Alto boring as fuck but everything else was cool. Ranka is the best.

>>23424619
I really liked that gabba thing DJ Sharpnel made with the Gorgeous Delicious Deculture jingle and.. I think it was the op song

>>23417328 (OP)
The music peaked in Frontier.

>>23424367
>>23424527
I too love directionless plot where the same shit keeps repeating for the first half and low animation quality.

>>23424818
But enough about Frontier.

>>23424818
Someone post the chart

>>23418242
Fuck Alto, Marry Ranka, KILL KILL KILL Sheryl.

>>23422156
I think that the creators missed it as well considering they unironically acted like Ranka was a Cinderella story from beginning to end. It honestly feels that they didn't quite understand the irony until the movies.

Though the true irony of Sheryl is that she for all intents and purposes shouldn't have been normal but she was. Though that too is similar to Cinderella.

Ranka though never really struggles.

>>23430758
I mean she did lose her family and a massive chunk of her memory resulting in lasting psychological trauma. She just had Ozma to look after her. And you can't say she didn't pay her dues with grunt work and bit parts.

>>23433022
Sheryl also lost her family at a young age and became homeless because of it. But unlike Ranka Sheryl didn't hand anyone who cared about her well being she has people who wanted to use and then discard her.

Ranka's psychological struggle wasn't much of a struggle and in truth only comes up 3 times in the show and each time she is always supported by those around her.

>>23417328 (OP)
Ranka a shit

>>23434160
>actually sheryl suffered more
Slut apologists are very pathetic.

>>23434940
Sheryl unironically did suffer more both during the show and before it.

Boo fucking hoo that Ranka had to work hard, so did everyone else.

>>23434966
Suffering isn't a contest, and other people's sorrow doesn't lose value because someone else had it worse.

>>23434966
You are the one making it into some weird oppression olympics.

>>23417328 (OP)
SEXO WITH SHERYL AND/OR RANKA.

>>23434993
>>23434995
The point is that Ranka is infantilized she never experiences any hardships. The moniker of "Cinderella" doesn't fit her. The story wants us to sympathize and think that she's experiencing hardship but the truth is she never does.

The real problem with Ranka is that she has amnesia and doesn't remember.

>>23435442
Most of her family got killed by space bugs and her brother was turned into a robot. He even dies sometimes.

>>23435442
You gotta be some kind of retard to actually believe this.

>>23417328 (OP)
I just finished it the other day too and I'm half way through Delta now. At this point I feel like Frontier is probably my least favorite out of all the series. Nothing about it really clicked for me. I didn't like the music, I didn't like the Vajra and I just wasn't very invested in the Alto/Sheryl/Ranka triangle.

>>23417328 (OP)
Did they ever explain what happened to the captain and bridge bunnies of Macross Galaxy?

>>23435442
You are autistic.

>>23436477
How about you explain what horrible shit is going on with that screenshot.

>>23436535
Did you not watch the TV series? The poor quality is from the show itself.

>>23418216
It's amazing how Sheryl mogs Ranka even in the loli department.

>>23418242
Kill Rankashit
Worst girl in the franchise

>>23435457
Ranka goes full retarded. I still remember those 2ch threads shitting on her.

>>23436595
She deserves all the hate she gets

>>23417328 (OP)
Seikan Hikou alone beats all of Sheryl's songs.

>>23436985
eww green hair
also 2young

>>23436636
Qrd, this from one of the SRW Z games?

>>23435474
Which is the only bad thing that happened in her life, and she isn't the only character with a shitty past in the same story either. Heck ask of that is before the story but not during it.

>>23435484
>>23436533
For what pointing out that Rank has no actual struggles in the show? She doesn't infantilizes her and wants you to feel when she has to work hard, like everyone else. Her losing her family when she was young is her backstory, but it doesn't cause her any "struggles" instead she creates her own problems wth her bad decision making.

>>23436595
People were shitting on her in most places. It all stemmed for her making genuinely shitty decisions for asinine reasons.

>>23436985
See now I feel bad

>>23437149
>>23437159
>>23437164
SDF stands for Sheryl Defense Force apparently

>Sakurahime Azuma Bunsho
>princess is the reincarnation of a gay priest
>princess is raped, has her rapist's baby
>her family dies
>has to work at a brothel
>kills her own baby

No wonder Alto wanted to quit kabuki.

>>23437135
UX, actually.

>>23437466
>ban women because they're too alluring and are selling their bodies to clients
>instead put boys
>same shit happens
Kabuki is some ZESTY shiet nigguh

>>23437630
You have NOH idea

I want to fuck Sheryl AND Ranka.

>>23438180
at the same time!?!?!?!

>>23438157
oh you!

Blaster Master Zero as DLC.
You know you want it /m/...

>>23438342
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xs273olKiIo

>>23438342
I didn't hate Delta. But it could have been done better...

Liked the girls in it.

>>23438814
I ended up liking Delta a lot more when I watched it later. I don't know if I just got caught up in the shit posting the first time or if I was just in a bad mood but when I gave it a second chance a lot of the stuff people complained about I don't think really were as big of issues. Even Mirage's arc wasn't really that poorly handled. Maybe a bit anti climatic but I actually like it better than movie 2 deciding she should be a tard wrangle.

>>23437630
So you’re saying… Alto prostitution doujins?

What happened to the new installment in the series being developed by a different studio?

>>23439352
It's Sunrise. But they've still got tons of work ahead.

>>23417328 (OP)
It's the closest we'll get to a modern Macross Remaster.

>>23417419
The reason Delta is boring is because they padded it out with obvious filler for 18 episodes when they were originally only intending to have 13.

Sharon Apple has the to be the most dogshit idol in the series. I don't know how they even did it but her songs actually sound AI generated but I guess that was the point.

>>23417328 (OP)
It was okay, I feel like the movie versions pretty much fix the issues I have with the Frontier, but I enjoy both the Series and movies.

>>23440362
I wanna challenge that, because whilst I felt the movies gave Sheryl some more, it also took away alot from the series, more than it gave. What makes you say the movies fixed your issues with Frontier?

>>23439352
>>23439381
It'll be a long while before anything comes from that, they only just opened heroine auditions this year.

I decided to start Macross saga now that I found high quality rips of Macross and Macross 7 (Fuck Macross II). Episode 4 of Macross is KINO, hope it keeps the same way. I decided to start with Macross first instead of Gundam instead, Hope I did the right thing.

>>23441383
Fuck off tourist.

>>23441395
No wonder people like Gundam more

>>23440603
Last I saw they were past the first round of auditions. Maybe they have another December special coming.

>>23441402
That's unironically a bot that responds like that any time someone says "Kino". Pay it no mind.

>>23418006
Klan is pure sex and need more meltrandi like her in next show

I like Mirage but would have liked to see her turn giant

>>23441852
The presence of Reina and Ranka are anachronistic and it ruins the image for me.

Frontier might not be the best anime, but it has grown to be one of my favorite anime. Peak Macross.

>>23441535
kased and bino

Today is Basara's first birthday

>>23447252
>We're in the Macross years IRL
>Still no transforming pilot-able mecha
>Still no Zentraedi women to wife

Why live?

Happy Birthday Basara, at least the music is real

>>23446760
Sex with sheryl.

>>23447329
Positively mindblowing sex with Sheryl

Michel is so fucking lucky

>>23436985
>>23437240
Pity sex with Ranka!

>>23447555
pit sex

>>23447551
Michael is so fucking dead, that's the opposite of lucky.
A few years of variable titty size deculture doesn't make up for game over.

>>23447595
he lives in the movie

>>23447252
FIYA!!!!!

>>23440574
NTA but while I think TV is a 10/10, I like the movies more for zeroing in on the main trio and their drama, worked like DYRL in that it gave it a lot of punch. Sure support characters lost characterization but a lot of TV felt bogged by exposition IMO.

>>23447970
I felt that Ranka was given less in the movies and Alto just kinda existed as the male part of the triangle. Not like he was thoroughly explored enough in the series, but boiling down his reasons to being scared of his acting taking over him and that being the last we hear other than the occasional nod about taking over the stage of fighting instead. And whilst I enjoy them doing more with Sheryl, it felt more bloated than the tv show with the spy angle and everything.

Alot of the sub character drama helped Frontiers cast. I think the changes to Michel were for the most part worthless outside of giving him a happy ending (sucks that Klan kinda just exists there, does nothing). I think the reduction in some characters by changing relationships was also dumb. I think Brera got character assassinated with what they did to him. Even something as minor as the president turning from a fine politician into I think 2 lines of dialogue and seemingly a power hungry opportunist.

Honestly, at points I felt that Frontier TV wasn't long enough to detail the world they were in. I do appreciate Alto being more of a person as well rather than angst. The final fight in the movie was pretty awesome as well. I need to find a quality download of the Macross Quarter surfing just to look at every so often.

>>23417419
Based 7 gigachad, it has best girl and wife material Gamlin

ore no uta wo kike

>>23447572
You shouldn't have sex with Ranka's pits, anon.

>>23447551
I see the light now Kami-sama. Miss Chibi-Klan is a gift from almighty God.

Are there any French anons here?

>Dans leur repos brilliantes
>Et leur dire “la terre sera malade”
>Ainsi la mer refletera
>Qui s'eleve l'a finir sera les hommes

Does this imply that humans will end it by fixing it, end it by fucking it up, or ambiguous?

>>23448340
first one then the other

Good Lord, Sheryl is just a pile of sex

I know it's the Frontier thread, but I just finished Delta and it was kinda ass.

>>23448234
cursed

>>23448483
I thought that Mirage was criminally underused. She was barely half of a character and she could have been so much better.

>>23448555
Yeah, Mirage felt so underutilized. There was way too many cast members as well. They could've cut several characters and wrote more for the others because it was way too bloated.

>>23448591
>springer spaniel

>>23448591
Her hair looks like jello.

>>23448574
Cute ears!

>>23448565
Two nice things I'll say about Delta are
1. Mikumo's voice is so freaking strong. It's perfectly cast and carries their songs
2. Kaname is the cutest and best and I want to wife her

>>23448591
>>23448665
puppy hair / 10

>>23448679
Smug sexo

>>23448682
3 years old (three) sexo

>>23448711
Three?!!

>>23448711
Can she get pregnant?

>>23448713
>>23448715
Giving Mikumo triplets!

>>23448773
Worst Macross thread spam. Delta is so ass compared to everything that came before it.

>>23448528
Her VA just died
RIP

>>23448936
RIP Sakurai Tomo.

She also did Emma Granger(namesake Emma Watson/Hermoine) the operator girl in the PS2 Macross game. She had such a lovely voice.

>>23449066
British

>>23448936
F
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2A7-04YHII

>Finish Macross 7 yesterday
>Tomo Sakurai (Mylene) dies
not fair

>>23448936
>>23449066
>On August 10, 2025, Sakurai announced that she was hospitalized a week prior and as a result, her concert planned for the 17th at Shibuya, Tokyo was cancelled.[3] While at the hospital, her condition worsened and three days later on August 13, she died at the age of 53, due to complications from multiple organ cancer.
>53
Holy fuck, when are we going to find a cure against this shit? Fuck cancer.

>>23449175
It's more profitable to treat than cure.

>>23448936
:(

Was the original series always intended to be 36 episodes? Felt like there wasn't a proper build up to a finale.

>>23449356
It was planned for 52, cut down to 48 and then 26 (plus a recap), but got an extension due to its popularity. The post war arc was not in the original draft. You were going to see more of the Supervision Army though (whose identity is revealed in Macross 7).

>>23446760
Protect Ranka....AT ALL COSTS.

>>23448711
>>23448715
Isn't she a plant?

Ranka a shit

>>23449605
you're a shit

>>23449476
I want to protect Ranka's smile

>Episode 2 of Macross Dynamite 7
WHAT THE FUCK DID I JUST WATCH

>>23447989
With Ranka in the tv series a lot of her issues and conflicts stem from the fact that she's immature. When you remove the immaturity you lose a lot of her conflict, and without it her story didn't have much going for it. Tv series very much created her own problems.

With Alto him being afraid of his acting taking over who he is a his issue in the tv series as well. He does still like to perform he's just a fan of acting anymore. (And honestly knowing the roles he played, I don't blame him, the novels go into it too-- and I kinda wish we got Alto's perspective because he's brutally honest).The only thing missing in the movies is the emphasis on his genuine desire to be a pilot.

With Sheryl I think it was simply just a what if based on the drama cd track about Sheryl and Grace.

Frontier TV series had a lot of canon side material to explain things

>>23449806
skin-to-skin hug with ranka.

>>23447989
I suppose part of my perspective comes from filling in some of the gaps in Frontier's films with knowledge from TV. Maybe it was intended that way I'm not sure.

Comfy domestic married life with Sheryl!

>>23449955
https://gamerant.com/macross-dynamite-7-has-been-censored-in-the-streaming-release/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzbl6n7Mqjo

>>23450519
cute

is zettai live as good as you say? the first delta movie was a fucking chore to watch. At this point I feel more inclined to rewatch frontier again than watching more delta

Perhaps this is a shallow comment, but I loved the concerts in the movie. Visually stunning.

Universal Bunny blew my socks off.

>>23449806
Ranka's smile...

>>23450678
It's cute! c u t e!

>>23437135
There was a mission in UX where you have to save Ranka from a vajra (it's from the first movie where alto slashed through the vajra's stomach to save her). The objective is to reduce the vajra's hp to under 10%, however the NPC AI is dumb and if you accidentally summon tobikage, it'll kill ranka and you have to restart the stage.

>>23450582
It's just more hayate-freyja romance and an actual conclusion to the story since the tv series had none.
Animation wise I think they've fallen since frontier desu. We've gotten to a point where not even cg storyboarders/animators can cook exciting combat sequence anymore. The songs are good if you liked walkure, but the climax song can't beat angel voice or sayonara no tsubasa i feel.

>>23450685
La goblina...

>>23450704
Don't be mean to the Ranka-puppy!

>>23450519
god I wish that was me getting dinner from Alto

>>23450731
Ranka/Sheryl...

Kawamori's designs are among the finest in the industry.

The duets were so good

>>23450844
Yes I wish there were tracks of the duet as well instead of just the singles.

>>23450844
Best song in all of Macross coming through
https://youtu.be/b7RV7e5CaK0?si=Oi-24fjRrvWwH_FA

>>23450615
Not just frontier but the concerts in all the macross shows/movies are fantastic and some of my favorite parts. Plus in particular despite some people saying it doesnt lean into idols as hard still has some of the best music/concerts.

>>23450469
That would make sense, as I mainly only saw the series when watching it. It would make sense I missed out on alot of stuff then. I'll go have a look for those.

>>23450484
It really does feel like the movies wanted you to watch the series to feel for some of the less developed characters.

What the fuck was Sheryl's plan in the movies?

I get that the hivemind keikaku was to lure the Vajra to Frontier, decode Vajra communication, put implants in the grunts, and then take direct control of the queen with Battle Galaxy and conquer the galaxy.

Sheryl was in on luring the Vajra to Frontier because she thought Frontier were assholes who were somehow cheating in the race to get to the Vajra planet, and she was deliberately singing to lure the Vajra to Frontier... but then she seems surprised when the Vajra show up during her concerts? Bitch what?

>>23451090
The movie had its own extra materials.

>>23451184
She only wanted to meet Ranka and Alto. She had a general idea of what they planned but that's about it. She didn't expect people to die and thought that the people of galaxy were in danger.

>>23451373
Got a list of names for those extra materials? I'll scope them out.

>>23417364
TRVKE

It's really not fair that among the main triangle, Alto is the prettiest.

>>23451411
1 novel for the tv series
Cd drama for the tv series
1 novel for the movies
Another drama cd
Multiple manga
I think that there are more

I like delta more than frontier

>>23451542
What did you like about Delta more than Frontier? I like it's peppiness and the musics not bad, gets stuck in my head.

>>23451554
the highs are much higher and it feels more sincere and like they had a vision even if production was a mess. It has some of the 7 DNA with the music fights and it has much more focus on the piloting, and the romance conclusion and zettai were effective on me. frontier being an anniversary production causes nothing to stand out, I watched the series in release order and I think that probably impacts my rankings. I think frontier is the easiest to watch and has the best pacing but the vajra are somehow more offensive to me than the wind gays because they're so boring, and alto sucks

>>23451554
they actually resolve the love triangle for once in Delta

>>23451607
This happens in frontier too.

>>23451607
Not much of a triangle. Mirage is barely a character.

>>23451604
Funny you say this because Delta is way more corporate than Frontier.

>>23451626
>love triangle is resolved in Frontier
Doesn't the show literally end with both of them begging for Alto dick?

>>23451763
Series ends with Ranka and Sheryl saying "I won't lose to you" to each other with Alto flying off into the endless sky.

Movie ends with Alto getting teleported to another dimension, saying he can't reciprocate Rankas feelings, then mouthing "I love you", with the songs climax also being the message, before he disappears.

>>23451770
>>23451763
mouthing "I love you" to Sheryl, forgot to put that, even if it was obvious

>>23450936
Not even close.

Good end

>>23417328 (OP)
Sheryl is so cool.

>>23451830
>A pop diva tries to rock
Never goes well

>>23451763
Rewatch Wings of Goodbye

>>23451770
>>23451847
Fucking hell man, I hated her underhanded tactics for attention and her tsundere nature so much. Ranka may be ignorant as hell but she made honest attempts at love after the movie filming episode. It really pissed me off how many time Sheryl would just teleport to his location right before her every fucking time.

Still, it is really difficult to turn down Shery'ls sweaty Sheryls.

>>23452046
Ranka always attempted arguably more important things than Sheryl, especially when it came to the Vajra, but she never really tried to win Alto from Sheryl until near the end, especially after the deal with Sheryl's illness that drove it home harder for Alto, and with Ranka leaving it's interesting they even kept up the triangle in the epilogue.

RIP to her in the movie though. She goes from a person he just met to a friend before meeting Sheryl and she even gets some of the deeper romance moments, but the movies were for Sheryl fans.

>>23452169
The movies were 100% The Sheryl Show.

Alright, finished the Delta movies. Why do they keep releasing movies that alter the series so much, even in minor ways? Just to fuck with my autism?

RIP best girl Mirage, literally retconned the romance to her either caring about "his freedom" or writing it off as her backing off

When's the next production? That last movie made me ask alot more questions about everything.

>>23452694
because the series and films are just series and films that were produced in universe with different telling of events

>>23452694
She's better for not being part of some pointless love triangle

>>23452046
They literally tell you in the tv series that Alto spends a lot of time with Sheryl. In part because of work and in part to hang out. They are living together my the end of the tv series.

>>23452169
In the companion novels that flat out tell you that Alto chose Sheryl and Kawamori in the Blu-ray commentary questioned why people still thought that the love triangle didn't have a conclusion.

There is a good version of Zettai Live?

I don't really feel like this deserves its own thread but I wanted to say I just started watching Delta and it really sucks. Mirage is the only character I like and the rest of the show is just kind of dull. I'm on episode 23 though so I figure I might as well finish it out, but now I want to go and rewatch original Macross and Frontier (and I haven't seen 7 or Plus so maybe I'll work those in)

>>23453531
>I just started watching
>I'm on episode 23
Bingewatching was a mistake.

>>23453531
>haven't seen 7 or Plus

Should probably go back and watch those. I think Delta is better on a rewatch, but it's probably one of the weakest entries, outside of OVAs and non-canon entries

>>23453592
I'm trying to watch some of the shows I've never seen before SRW Y comes out so I can get a feel for characters I don't know

>>23453664
binging isn't watching.

>>23453664
>AAAAHHH I GOTTA FILL THIS ARBITRARY CHECKLIST

>>23453531
The movies fix a lot of the issues the tv show had besides turning Makina and Reina into even less relevant background characters.

>>23453810
They really could've cut or moved Makina and Reina to bridge bunnies and it would've been fine, but they wanted a group of 5 idols and so we have to wasted slots.

poke poke

>>23453813
Kaname could be just a manager for Mikumo and the story would be the same (Messer has the recording anyway). It might even make the axia scene even more powerful.
Though the show will probably have less impact on the audience without that weird first episode and walkure's general zaniness.

>>23449955
If I had a nickel for every instance Mylene sexual assault plotline in Macross 7, I’d have three nickels. That’s way too many nickels.

>>23454448
>3
There were that many!? I remember the actor in the car and the woman in dynamite but what was the other?

>>23453531
bro you were supposed to watch the delta films not the show

>>23418242
Fuck Alto
Marry Alto
Kill Alto

>>23454661
Not even just the Delta films, there's not been a single Macross movie I think is worth watching over the shows version of it.

>>23455276
I prefer Frontier's movies over the show for Durandal alone.

>>23452199
Besides tits she has zero appeal, what the fuck Japan. Honestly want to see which Frontier girl was more popular there.

I was a huge Rankafag at the beginning, but as the show progressed and Sheryl got more development I fell in love with her.

>>23457595
https://macross.fandom.com/wiki/All_Macross_Big_Voting

Sheryl at the #1, Ranka at #3 behind Basara.

>>23451542
I do too.
From the way people talk about them I get the feeling that a lot of the overall community attitude towards the two shows was influenced by the context of their release. To me, Frontier struck me as playing the hits way too much and cranking up the elements that I found most grating, particularly the godawful love triangle that it doesn't even resolve (I know there's movies shut up). It still had some great stuff and being lower down my Macross rankings is still pretty goddamn high in the grand scheme of things.
Delta had way more of its own identity, is the main thing. The parts I liked weren't struggling to get out from under the weight of being an anniversary show also trying to pay tribute to everything before.
Hayate's great as a lead, he pretty much directly solves a lot of why Alto rubbed me the wrong way and his relationship with Freyja is really well written. They've got a very natural dynamic going on and enough emotional intelligence to navigate it. I love when they find out about Hayate's father and what could so easily become a stupid separation arc is immediately nipped in the bud. Freyja's also great, love her gremlin energy.
Mirage gets a little shafted, but on the whole I think I prefer her having a one-sided crush to scream into a pillow about than the need for a love triangle getting in the way of something that really worked. It's also kind of wild how her entire character arc is about getting out of the shadow of her grandparents and accepting that she's doing damn good on her own merits, and real fans still give her shit for not measuring up to the expectations brought on by her surname.
Exploring the ramifications of NUNS expansion and making friends no matter what was a great angle, too. Wasn't handled perfectly but it was an evolution beyond yet again finding more ayys to fail to stop for a season until we try singing at them.
(1/2)

>>23457925
(2/2 I had more to say here than I expected)
They could've done more with it but I also really liked the super-produced idol group pop against an extremely traditionalist civilisation. You get hints of it but it's a good angle. The very first song we hear from Walkurie after their introduction track and the one that Freyja joins in with is fairly directly sexual and at the end it's basically the power of horny teens that breaks through and saves the day, that plus a few other allusions makes me think it was intentional and just underused.
The music style also feels like a callback all the way to DYRL, and the idea that the title song is just a piece of throwaway pop from eons past that still speaks to something meaningful and true about lived experience. That's something I always really liked and don't think gets talked about enough, that the power of culture was never restrained to just meaningful high art or masterpieces. There's power in any art that speaks to people.
I think there's also some commentary going on in the fact that the only member of Walkurie not given some kind of allusion to or actual romantic relationship is the literal test tube baby perfect idol, the three year old that's tied with if not ahead of Makina for most regularly sexualised. It might not be intentional, but that always struck me as a bit of a swipe at real world idol culture.

>>23452887
Because the stupid creators of Frontier drew the series ending in such a way that it is quite suitable for a threesome.

The Frontier movies are crap, and the authors' attempts to deny the threesome nature of the ending are just verbal garbage (like how the writers/directors were blabbering that Lelouch definitely died, but then he suddenly survived and they started mumbling about parallel worlds and other bullshit).

In the end, there is always the Alto Harem headcanon, which I also adhere to, and "the author's opinion is dead" and has no meaning unless it is clearly and unambiguously expressed in the work itself.

So yes, there are Frontier fans who, based on the series' ending, which is quite conducive to a threesome, made a well-founded conclusion that Alto chose both - after all, they are both his wings (Saotome himself said this in the series, and the director can go to hell with his interpretation).

>>23457595
I'm sorry about your shit taste

>>23458538
Nah, the movies are great. Alto chose Sheryl even in the TV series. The green gremblin was just a little sister for fim.
Ranka is dogshit and will always be shit, btw

>>23458993
>Well off to the bug dimension
>And he stayed there

>>23459014
>Alto chose Sheryl even in the TV series.
Lol.

>>23458993
KWAB

>>23459014
Honestly, the Frontier movies are better than the TV series.

I prefer the movie version of ranka because she's less pathetic than her anime version

>>23452887
Yeah. In the manga, Alto and Sheryl get married, while Ranka ends up with Brera.
>>23459022
Ranka was never a real contender and I don't think the show ever treats her as one honestly. Alto treated her like a little sister from beginning to end. The closest thing Ranka gets to an actual romantic moment with Alto is her singing to him in the hospital, and even then Sheryl is there doing the same thing. Every romantic scene was either pure Sheryl or Ranka getting cucked. Alto and Sheryl literally date in the show, are implied to have had sex and Alto tells Sheryl he'll stay with her forever on at least two occasions. People wanted to take Ranka's inability to move on as Alto being open to her; which is never suggested by the show.

Also is an interesting character once you realized what his real deal is.

Alto decided that he wanted to become a pilot however because he was initially rejected by Ozma who thought that he was being dishonest so he decided to use Ranka as an excuse to join the army which Ozma accepted not realizing that Alto was honest the first time around and dishonest when he claimed that he wanted to protect Ranka (to be fair to Ozma though Alto is a complete tsundere when it comes to Frontier). But due to that Alto created a knight role whose purpose was to protect Ranka whom he was using as a stand in for his Frontier but as shown time and time again he's actually quite shit at protecting Ranka as she's not his first priority. This is shown in how Alto consistently puts others before Ranka. He struggles to play the role of her protector and he knows it and those who know him know it as well.

As for his father it's actually in the past. He told his father that he didn't want to inherit the kabuki theater and his father was okay with that but Alto's brother wasn't. Alto left his home and became self sufficient while pursuing a career in aviation as agreed with his father and he stated that he wouldn't return until he was a pilot. Even though to is a pilot the whole thing with Ranka makes him feel like he really isn't one. Hence why Alto's brother says that Alto is playing a role that he's failing at.

It is only after Alto accepts the fact that Ranka isn't a priority in his life and that he actually loves his home and became a pilot to protect it and now also Sheryl whom he loves that he feels like he's become a real pilot.

It's actually confirmed that what Ranka fell in love with wasn't Alto himself but rather the role that he was playing. Alto knew that neither of their feelings were genuine that's why he never really looked at Ranka as a romantic option.

>>23459071
>Ranka was never a real contender and I don't think the show ever treats her as one honestly. Alto treated her like a little sister from beginning to end
Biggest cope in the thread.

>>23459117
>no argument
I'm sorry, Ranka, but Alto never loved you.

I would spoil the shit out of a Ranka imouto

>>23459083
He is one of the best protagonists in Macross. Naturally talented but he also puts in a ton of effort to reach his goals

It still bugs me that アルト is romanized as alto instead of aruto
Well, they're light years away from earth and likely developed their own culture but still

>>23459293
Why would be it Aruto?

>>23459117
It's very strange to me for anyone, including Kawamori, to argue the show didn't leave the ending open. It straight-up ends on both of them basically promising each other they won't give up, Alto being the same coward he always is about it and then credits.
The film picks a side more explicitly and that's an improvement, but it doesn't negate the show's existence. Especially when the show did some other things better.

Ranka fang

>>23459293
I thought it was purposely "alto" like the music term

>>23448446
She's perfect. My wife has had to accept that she's my waifu

>>23459874
no it's because he's tall

>>23448483
Yeah. Delta is a massive disappointment. Windfags were the worst villains. Additionally, it's the first Macross series that doesn't feel there is a proper understanding of military and general society organization. For example, Windmere seems to have only six pilots in their entire space force

>>23459782
Tenshi.....and Sheryl...

>>23459782
God Ranka is so shit it's unreal
No wonder she lost

>>23459782
Ranka gives me life.

>>23459031
I disagree. The series does a better job fleshing out the Macross world, utilizes the cast outside of the main three better, and has some great stand alone episodes, especially in the first half. Additionally, Michael's death was one of the best parts about Frontier. I also think that it works better being less flashy than the films. Also, the films shit all over Battle Frontier. Lastly, I think the series for the most part incorporates music better

>>23418978
upvoted

>>23459311
Because it's a japanese name
Aruto Saotome makes more sense than Alto Saotome

>>23460557
Ethnicity doesn't matter much in Macross when your classmate could easily by half space giant or space kangaroo. Hell, Plus and 7 had protagonists who also have half-Japanese names.

>>23460557
Fucking retard.

>>23460002
>great stand alone episodes
Adding to this, Ranka falling out of the sky singing "Seikan Hikou" is not only one of the best scenes in Macross, but in cinema history. It's almost worth watching the whole series for that. I mostly hated the movies.

>>23461309
Fuck it, it was a good scene

Growing up, the only two things I wanted in life were to fly F-15s and fuck Brittney Spears.
So you could say Frontier spoke to me on a fundamental level.

>>23461366
Outstanding.

I'm glad to have at least started, caught up on, and as of right now finished the Macross series. I've really enjoyed the ride, compared to other mecha. Now I just want a good Macross game to play, rhythm AND gameplay wise. And I also want a Macross poster.

>>23461381
Every time I see that frame I'm reminded of Northern Cross
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8W8PSvxO2Mk
Which by the way is the best Frontier song, in an incredibly stacked field of outstanding songs

>>23461309
Holy shit taste and retardation, batman

Best Macross video game?

>>23461401
Way too many good Frontier songs.

>>23461427
It's pure art, I'll defend it to the death.

>>23461430
I like the PSP games

>>23461371
Late 90s goals am I right?

>>23461549
Nothing wrong with that.

>>23459014
>>23459022
This >>23459773
Just watch the damn ending of the series - it ends with Sheryl and Ranka reaching out their hands to Saotome flying towards them.

Where is there any choice or clear indication, huh? After the anime ended there were a bunch of arts with these three and Ranka and Sheryl separately and only after the shitty films and shitty comments of the asshole director a bunch of people started to blabber that "it's obvious that he chose Sheryl blah-blah-blah".

WTF?

>>23462344
See >>23459071 >>23459083
Watch the damn series. Alto never saw Ranka romantically.
>shitty
But enough about Ranka's character

>>23462711
>Alto never saw Ranka romantically
Jumping in to say that's not as clear as you might think. There are a few times in the series when Alto gets befuddled by Ranka's charm. I'll agree that the series definitely leans heavily toward Sheryl but it's not definitive.

>>23462344
I can’t help but wonder if that decision was due to Kawamori just getting sick of the love triangle aspect of Macross especially since it wasn’t even meant to be in Delta and got removed entirely for the movies.

>>23462735
Yes, it's very clear. Ranka never stood a chance. She got cucked hard by Sheryl.

>>23458538
There was never a threesome. Pay attention to the tv series Alto never treated Ranka like a woman he loves she was just a kid sister that he needs to protect. In the novels Alto even flat out compares her to little kid. In the tv series itself Alto takes 21 episodes to even tell Ranka basic shit about himself (she didn't even know when his birthday was). He spent so much time with Sheryl that everyone unit l thought that they were already dating.

Unironically, the only group that seriously thinks that things are up in the air are coping Rankafags.

Ranka is the Mirage Farina of Frontier. An unrequited love that leads nowhere.

>>23462344
In the tv series Alto lives with Sheryl, is dating her and they're having sex. They are in a relationship. Ranka at this point is just coping.

>>23463406
at least Mirage wasn't a retarded moeblob that killed millions, but yeah Kawamori hates Zents
>killed off Guld
>Mylene got left by both guys in her triangle
>Ranka was... Ranka
>Mirage was... Mirage

>>23462735
In the companion novels that are from Alto's pov it's pointed out that that one moment is when Alto realizes that Ranka is lolibait.

>>23463420
Gold canonically survived
Mirage wasn't even supposed to be in a love triangle. Second movie Mirage is what Kawamori originally planned for her.

>>23460002
I think that the tv series has its own issues. For how well it handled everything else the main conflict wasn't resolved in a satisfying way.

I think that it in part has a lot to do with the fact that the only character that is there to resolve it is tv series Ranka but she was too immature for that plot. So they had to use Sheryl to better explain the Galaxy's plot, and altered Ranka so that she could explain the whole deal behind the Vajra. Each has their own strengths and weaknesses.

>>23463387
According to Kawamori he didn't have Alto just reject Ranka for good in the tv series because of its a choice between addressing Ranka's feelings and flying in a real sky, he'd choose the sky. As for Sheryl, they live together, he'll tell her when they go home, also Sheryl already knows that Alto doesn't like Ranka like that. She was worried only because she was dying.

Blessing this Frontier thread with topless Klan

>>23463422
>No the show is clear, if you just look at [things not in the show]

>>23463518
She's underage

>>23463532
She's old enough to fly a combat ship for a paramilitary organization

>>23463408
This revisionist faggotry has got to stop. Even before the final battle Sheryl has no fucking clue what Alto's feelings are and then Alto proceeds to clarify fucking nothing leaving both girls to continue vying for his affection.

>>23463387
Honestly with Delta TV, if I didn't know it was an established convention of the series I wouldn't even pick Mirage as part of a love triangle. She's got a crush on Hayate but it's incredibly clear from day one that he's down bad for that middle age Windermerean pussy and she in turn is cradle-robbing humans.
Which to be clear, I prefer. I like that there's a clear romance angle with one and an unrequired crush to angst over with the other, because it lets us focus on where things are actually going versus just trying to keep things in the air as long as possible.

Ranka is really pretty in her strapless white dress.

>>23463525
>>23463525
I mean it's clear in the tv series too he treats Ranka like a child and continues to do so even after those two moments.

I recently rewatched the show and yes, Alto treats Ranka like a little sister. The whole SMS team does.

>>23463555
All of your scenes are either misread or are taken out of context. The first scene was before they got into a relationship. The second isn't romantic, and the scene with Klan on the rooftop wasn't about that either. Sheryl herself never once said that she thinks that Alto loves Ranka. What she "knew all along was that he loves her and Alto is willing to kill Ranka who he sees as his younger sister to protect his home and the woman he loves. Similarly that is what Klan means by what she says that "that is your love".
The "you are my wings" isn't romantic, and in the last Sheryl was humoring Ranka neither he l her nor Alto took Ranka's feelings for Alto seriously.

>>23463555
>Both of you are my wings!
Alto sneakily fishing for the harem end

>>23463661
It's pretty much just him saying that he got to where he is because he met them.

>>23463636
>Sheryl was humoring Ranka
Amazing imagination you have. You also skipped the scene were Sheryl doesn't want to know Alto's feelings because she won't be able to sing. She still doesn't know by the end and neither does Ranka.

>>23463794
She canonically did at the time she didn't want Alto to say anything because it would show up on her voice in any way. She wanted to save Ranka so she didn't want anything including the joy of being chosen over Ranka to interfere with that which it would have. Hence why when she was dying she never mentioned anything about their love triangle she was just upset about dying. Sheryl knew that that fight was going to be her last that's why she didn't want Alto to confess to her. Also just a reminder Sheryl and Alto became an official couple in episode 22. This isn't even a real debate your interpretation it's canonically wrong.

>>23463794
>>23463809
Just pointing this out but canonically Sheryl and Alto fucked in episode 22 and Ranka heard the whole thing. So Ranka is a cuckquean.

>>23463812
brb rewatching episode 22

>>23463821
I'd recommend rewatching the full series, there's a lot of context that you won't understand in the first watch that you'll get in the second, especially after seeing the movies. Like for instance Galaxy is space Paris, and Sheryl is part Polynesian and part french.

Sheryl wink
She knows she's got it

It feels like we've unearthed a relic of a distant past shipping war here. Time to build transforming planes in case the people that shipped it come back, I suppose.

>Sheryl she-devil fans this uppity
Like girl, like followers

>>23464333
Rankafags malding over the most popular character in the Macross Franchise.

>>23463923
>Sheryl is part Polynesian and part french
And I thought she couldn't get any worse..