I just finished Macross Frontier, it was my first Macross, and I want to know what /m/ anons think of it and of the Macross series in general.
It was a fun ride. Was kind of taken aback by the pop singer/pop idol focus, but it managed to win me over with the fun of what it was doing.

Have some complaints and kind of need to vent, but I want to get the discussion started
What do people think of this series?

Doggystyle ranka.

>>23417355
Ranka is for loving sex with hand holding and making her pregnant.

>>23417328 (OP)
Frontier isn't my favorite Macross 7 is my favorite entry but I really think it's probably the best "modern" Macross we could ever possibly see.
Frontier and the original show are obviously pretty different, but I think Frontier is still reminiscent enough of the original show, and it just dials all of that up to 11, so it really feels like a big huge celebration of Macross to me. Shame that the movies are nowhere near as good as the show though.
Delta unfortunately goes too far out of control and is just terrible. I'm not even one of those autists who seethes at the idol stuff, the problem is just that all the idol stuff in Delta is fucking boring and everybody except for Ranka, Mirage, and Hayate are totally uninteresting. I don't even think those three are particularly good either (except for Mirage's big fat ass) but at least they feel like human beings with life in them. Also most of the music in Delta is shit.
Clearly they could have made a show that didn't suck though since Zettai Live is so good; actually exciting plot, great action, and the Yami-Q-Ray songs are some of my favorite Macross songs.

>>23417419
>Ranka, Mirage, and Hayate
My bad, meant to type Freyja, not Ranka

>>23417355
>>23417364
Hahahaha oh man
This is funny
So I feel like my approach to Anime in general started kind of detached from traditional fandoms and fandom cultures.
I knew memes like "best girl/worst girl", I knew about the Asuka vs. Rei debates, but because of the way I approached anime I never *really* participated in any of that culture. Even only until recently, like in the past 6 years, have I started watching seasonal stuff and actively participating in current discussions, and even then I don't tend to feel strongly about characters. If I do I usually focus on characters I strongly like.
So I feel like my approach to anime has been kind of detached. I've accepted most of the stuff I stuck with and watched without feeling very passionate *dislike* about any characters.

Ranka might be the first character to pull visceral and irrational dislike out of me. I cannot explain why: something about her character design drives me up the wall.
Might also be overuse of Aimo in the story - felt like there were at least 5 climactic moments in episodes where Ranka singing Aimo was the crux, and that might contribute to my problem with her.
It's a strange feeling, because I didn't start hating her until about halfway, maybe a little more than halfway into the season. And I can't put my finger on exactly why.
Maybe just "not my type of girl" but I've never come across a character so "not my type" before.
Could get more into this it's just funny that these are the first posts

>>23417419
So is the rest of the Macross series this kind of thing, the singer/performer stories juxtaposed with the mecha?
And where should I start if I wanted to really get into the series (if not just release order)

>>23417474
>So is the rest of the Macross series this kind of thing, the singer/performer stories juxtaposed with the mecha?
For all intents and purposes, yes.
>And where should I start if I wanted to really get into the series (if not just release order)
Definitely just go back and watch the original show (and Do You Remember Love?), go in release order from there unless something really strikes your fancy.
>Original Show
If you liked Frontier, and are a true /m/an, you will like it. The show is ugly as fucking sin but I think it still genuinely holds up and is a great watch.
>DYRL?
"Reimagining" of the original show, one of the greatest films ever made. Simple enough.
>Macross Plus
Macross for people who don't like Macross. It's still fantastic mind you, but if all the idol business rubs you the wrong way then this is the entry for you. There's the OVAs and a movie, basically the same story, only major difference is the ending. Watch the OVA first, save the movie for a rewatch.
>Macross 7
One of the best anime ever made. It's a love it or hate it show though, get ready to listen to his song.
>Macross Zero
Shitty Star Wars Prequel lore additions aside, it's fine, quick watch and the 3D in it is stellar.
>Macross Delta
Sucks, if you're really pressed for time just watch the recap movie+Zettai Live

>>23417328 (OP)
I had fun as it was running but have no strong desire to rewatch it on my own
ninjin loves you was a fun addition to the meme pile, especially for its usage in that 0083 gif
had a blast watching some live via pirate streams while we posted here, like when that one character starts talking about loving that other one just before combat we were hooting and hollering like AWWWWWW SHIT THEYRE TALKING FEELINGS SOMEBODY GONNA DIE or when the FAST packs were deployed

>>23417486
>Macross Plus
>but if all the idol business rubs you the wrong way then this is the entry for you.
I ended up liking the idol stuff a lot, it reminded me of the kind of thing my sister used to like, it was just surprising! I wasn't expecting it to be almost the real focus of the show over the mecha.
It forced me into a totally different mindset than what I usually watch /m/ stuff with

>>23417328 (OP)
Watching Frontier felt a lot like watching Aquarion, only you can tell Kawamori has a bigger budget and actually cares about the show. But watching it still felt like watching Aquarion.

Ok I've got to get this off my chest

Ranka Lee is the first character in over a decade of watching anime who has viscerally bothered me and who I would go as far as to call WORST GIRL in her show
It's hard to pinpoint exactly why, I think it might just be irrational hatred!!
but here are some sticking points
>she's meant to be a plain or average girl next to Sheryl
I can accept this as a story concept, Ranka is an underdog, but I think I have a hard time swallowing the girl-next-door thing when she's also an amnesiac with a mysterious connection to the Vajra. Plain Jane underdog in the pop music world and "mysterious chosen one" of the Vajra refuse to gel in my brain. You're one or the other sister!
>she's meant to be a plain or average girl next to Sheryl
Ok and this ALSO bothers me because of the brutal reality that being a pop idol is like the one career where you simply cannot merely be a Plain Jane.
The whole thing also highlights the issue of Anime as a lie, which I am usually able to accept and enjoy - it's telling a story about an average looking girl, or at least a girl who doesn't have the same kind of overwhelming presence as Sheryl, except Ranka isn't an average girl, she's an idealized cartoon of an average girl - so it's not the story of a real girl making it in the pop world, it's the story of an idealized anime conception of a Plain Jane girl, who is necessarily cleaner, more designed, and "flawless" than even the most attractive women in real life - she's a FAKE!!!
>creepy/cute Vajra pet thing
>overuse of her songs, esp Aimo
Saw her singing at the Vajra at least 5 times in the course of the show; felt like something you do twice
>intestinal problems
They explain this in the last episode, but I think I saw it coming, or felt it coming
Ranka is connected to the Vajra by her V-type infection intestinal bacteria
It was about halfway through the show I started hating her, and it might have been because of that - the sense that she's somehow infested

>>23417474
Nobody asked, doggystyle ranka.

Honestly I don't fully understand why she bothered me so much >>23417660
I think on some level it is just irrational
But it got to a point where I was viscerally cringing at a few times when she was on screen. There's that one shot of her smiling with her fang tooth that you could tell the showrunners thought was really cute: it was like a jumpscare!
I feel a little bad for disliking her because the whole point of her character is the underdog contrast to Sheryl, so it's like I'm irrationally hating on the underdog, but again I feel I could accept that "underdog pop singer" story on its own, if it weren't tied to Ranka being a chosen one.

It's funny to me how much she bothers me xP

>>23417708
Literally WHY though

>>23417364
Then what's Sheryl for?

>>23417789
the same?

Sheryl sexo

>>23417818
I was thinking of paizuri.

>sex with Klan while she's giant sized

>>23417328 (OP)
Its a great series, although most of the entries are substantially different than each other, which is a good thing when most new anime is just chasing the latest isekai or shonen slop trend. For the rest of the series you just need to try them.
If you especially like the Valkyrie fights, then try Zero or Plus. If you want more music then try 7 or if you are brain dead Delta. If you want a mix or everything watch the original.
Its also worth noting that unlike Gundam it is worth watching both the series and the movies for most of the series. The movies have much larger budgets and different plots than the series.

>>23417364
>>23417355

>>23417789
One night stand creampie.

Loli Sheryl a best

>>23417328 (OP)
I've finished Macross Frontier recently too. Currently halfway through Delta.

I think Frontier was pretty damn good. probably my favorite, or at least the one that makes me think about it constantly after I finished it. But I feel it was too short to properly flesh everything out, and the villains were weak. I'm even more baffled by the changes the movies made, and if it wasn't for pushing Sheryl more, I'd downright probably dislike them alot more.

FUCK, MARRY, KILL?

>>23418242
Fuck Ranka
Marry Sheryl
Kill Alto

Simple as.

>>23418244
This but I'll also kill you so they're both mine

>>23418257
Acceptable, Sheryl is worth dying for.

>>23418257
>>23418259
She has enough hopes and dreams for both of you, there's no need to kill.

>>23417939

>>23417355
Is she called Ranka as her vagoo reeks?

>>23418006
Would her queef suffocate?

>>23417486
>Macross Plus
>Macross for people who don't like Macross.
Can confirm on this one as someone who really hates the idol shit in Macross. DYRL is a top tier anime film, though.

>>23417486
Very accurate assessment,
Though I am not ashamed to admit I kinda liked Delta, though in terms of Macross it was indeed shit. The only one I could put below it (VERY definitively) is Zero. Oh right, II is a thing. That too

>>23418607
Macross Plus was made before Macross was so ingratiated in Idol shit.
>But Minmay...

THERE'S A HUGE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT MINMAY DID AND HOW FRONTIER AND DELTA DID IT! At least Seven had the decency to give us a different music genre. People who say Macross is purely about Idol shit miss the point just as hard.

>>23418944
>People who say Macross is purely about Idol shit
Nobody says that, however you and other retards like to pretend that Macross was only about space planes fighting big aliens and THAT'S missing the point.

>>23418944
Better argument to make is how Macross 7 decided to push music as a more deliberate force in the world, which trickled down to other entries later on. Sound Force existing, is what led to the other entries massive focus on music affecting the enemy. It's like how they can't not have a love triangle now. It's too ingrained in peoples thoughts of the series.

>>23419507
>Sound Force existing, is what led to the other entries massive focus on music affecting the enemy
Did you not watch SDF?

>>23419922
People forget a lot about SDF. You didn't even need music to stop Zentradi.

>>23419956
Man, I barely remember SDF. Although the memories it conjures are warm and fuzzy, such good times.

>>23419922
Zentraedia could be stopped by babies and any and all culture related things. Not just music.
>>23419507
>>23419922
If anything the original sin was DYRL movie which still showed some other ways of stopping Zentraedi mind you.

DYRL placed a bit more emphasis on it than the TV show. Then 7 and plus codified music playing a big part (especially 7). Heck I'd argue 7 took it and ran away with it.
And so Frontier and Delta are just the result of that.
7 was basically a series flanderization already which Delta and Frontier built upon.

>>23419922
Yeah, but SDF was because of reigniting 'culture' in the alien races that lost it in their everlasting war. I get it was music that ended it, but it wasn't ALL music. It was also the reintegration of romance, sex, entertainment as well as the reclamation of humanities normalcy AND the bonds formed between them (literally in the case of Max and Milia).

Macross 7 being all about Basara's music working against the enemy and UNS/NUNS running with that in later entries coincides with how strong idol culture is and how pushed it's become. I'm honestly surprised there's not been a current darker take on the idols of Macross paralleling darker takes on idols, such as the inability to have relationships or the control over their lives (disregarding that one bit in 7 Dynamite of Mylene getting assaulted)

>dude uhhh where are the babies? and uhhh the minmay merch? and the uhhhhhhhhhhh people kissing?

>>23420160
Greentexting is not an argument shitposter.

>>23420023
No patient zero was Scrambled Valkyrie with the Minmay cannon. Also 7, Frontier, and Delta still deal with understand other races cultures even if the music has some more tangible effect. Hell in Plus and II it's also a straight up a mind control power.

>>23420018
>and all culture related things. Not just music.

I feel like this is something that we really should have taken more advantage of. Focus more on culture and arts on the whole. I know it's easier to sell CDs this way but why not poetry, why no painting. Isamu got pretty creative with his smoke trails.

>>23420241
>why not poetry, why no painting
You want macross to be even gayer?

>>23420012
I remember the episode where Hikaru and Minmay get lost in an abandoned part of the ship and he busts a pipe so she can take a shower then they had a fake wedding, and I think she suggested they kill themselves if they're not found.

>>23418242
Turn around and say "They're all yours, Alto!" Honestly, why do I always think this is the only closed triangle among the love triangles in the show, where some have one successful line and the other would lose or just won't care? And there are examples of one girl dying, too.

>>23420283
>You want macross to be even gayer?
I mean if you're gonna go anything always go hard.

>>23418242
Yes. In that order.

>>23420241
I think they were trying to go that way with Alto's kabuki training and Hayate's battroid dancing, but those quirks didn't get the focus they should have.

>>23417328 (OP)
Frontier is overall my favorite Macross (the highs of the original are far higher than Frontier), and it has the best exploration of the entire setting. It's one of the few shows (along with Escaflowne, Bebop, GitS, Darker than Black, InuYasha, Kimagure Orange Road, and Urusei Yatsura) where I can put on a random episode and enjoy a 30 minute comfy ride.

>>23420822
OP here, I think I get that. My admittedly irrational dislike of Ranka aside, it was a really fun show. And I had a moment during the Ep with Alto and Ranka are stranded on Galia 4 where the show was giving me my favorite type of adventure sci-fi.

>>23418242
Fuck Sheryl, marry Sheryl, kill no one

It’s so good
Soooooooo gooood

Fuck it I’m going to rewatch it next week.

>>23420600
They really didn't commit. Especially to the latter. It made for a nice "meet cute" early on but I remember expecting to kind of pay off into why Hayate could fly and maybe see Mirage learn to boogie. That would have made a neat show. I liked Delta on the whole but I can't help but think what it could have been.

>>23421873
At the start of Delta I really thought there would be more focus on Battroid combat to play into Hayate's dancing, but it really just turned into more dogfights.

>>23417474
Easy, Sheryl simply has better chemistry with Alto since day 1, she made him curious and all tingly. Meanwhile Ranka is just his boss' daughter/sister, and it's pretty cringe to watch because she didn't quite realize that for a long time.

>>23417660
I think you missed the irony in sheryl-ranka dynamic.
Sheryl is the actual cinderella, she was just a slum kid her manager recruited because she has some affinity with vajra. As you say, Ranka has extremely good luck in the industry because she's not a plain jane at all.

>>23421685
Also, impregnate Sheryl as well.

>>23418242
fuck ranka, marry sheryl, kill alto

>>23421986
Ditto. Honestly It kind of felt like the battroids barely even existed.

>>23422248
Didn't they use the arm shields a lot? I thought that required battroid mode

>>23417419
The two movies truly fixed a Lot of issues with delta, specially the awful pacing

>>23417328 (OP)
I got into Macross when frontier first aired. I've watched all of it since and I really enjoy the seroes as a whole. It's been years since I've seen anything from it and it had kind of drifted out of my mind untill I saw this post

I enjoyed frontier a lot, especially being green to the whole series. I vividly remember how amazing that first preview episode was and how fucking cool it looked and sounded. Blew me away back then.

>>23417660
I dislike Ranka aswell. It also doesnt help dat Sheryl went from aloof distant person to extremely likeable and precious. Especially in the movies.

>>23417419
I liked rune ga pikatto hikattara

>>23417328 (OP)
Frontier is one the better ones. DYRL is the peak of the series meanwhile 7 and Delta are just bad.

>>23424282
In retardville maybe.

>>23424282
>7
>bad
Fightin words nigga

Ranka was robbed.

>>23417328 (OP)
It's great even if it's not my favorite entry. I found Alto boring as fuck but everything else was cool. Ranka is the best.

>>23424619
I really liked that gabba thing DJ Sharpnel made with the Gorgeous Delicious Deculture jingle and.. I think it was the op song

>>23417328 (OP)
The music peaked in Frontier.

>>23424367
>>23424527
I too love directionless plot where the same shit keeps repeating for the first half and low animation quality.

>>23424818
But enough about Frontier.

>>23424818
Someone post the chart

>>23418242
Fuck Alto, Marry Ranka, KILL KILL KILL Sheryl.

>>23422156
I think that the creators missed it as well considering they unironically acted like Ranka was a Cinderella story from beginning to end. It honestly feels that they didn't quite understand the irony until the movies.

Though the true irony of Sheryl is that she for all intents and purposes shouldn't have been normal but she was. Though that too is similar to Cinderella.

Ranka though never really struggles.

>>23430758
I mean she did lose her family and a massive chunk of her memory resulting in lasting psychological trauma. She just had Ozma to look after her. And you can't say she didn't pay her dues with grunt work and bit parts.

>>23433022
Sheryl also lost her family at a young age and became homeless because of it. But unlike Ranka Sheryl didn't hand anyone who cared about her well being she has people who wanted to use and then discard her.

Ranka's psychological struggle wasn't much of a struggle and in truth only comes up 3 times in the show and each time she is always supported by those around her.

>>23417328 (OP)
Ranka a shit

>>23434160
>actually sheryl suffered more
Slut apologists are very pathetic.

>>23434940
Sheryl unironically did suffer more both during the show and before it.

Boo fucking hoo that Ranka had to work hard, so did everyone else.

>>23434966
Suffering isn't a contest, and other people's sorrow doesn't lose value because someone else had it worse.

>>23434966
You are the one making it into some weird oppression olympics.

>>23417328 (OP)
SEXO WITH SHERYL AND/OR RANKA.

>>23434993
>>23434995
The point is that Ranka is infantilized she never experiences any hardships. The moniker of "Cinderella" doesn't fit her. The story wants us to sympathize and think that she's experiencing hardship but the truth is she never does.

The real problem with Ranka is that she has amnesia and doesn't remember.

>>23435442
Most of her family got killed by space bugs and her brother was turned into a robot. He even dies sometimes.

>>23435442
You gotta be some kind of retard to actually believe this.

>>23417328 (OP)
I just finished it the other day too and I'm half way through Delta now. At this point I feel like Frontier is probably my least favorite out of all the series. Nothing about it really clicked for me. I didn't like the music, I didn't like the Vajra and I just wasn't very invested in the Alto/Sheryl/Ranka triangle.

>>23417328 (OP)
Did they ever explain what happened to the captain and bridge bunnies of Macross Galaxy?

>>23435442
You are autistic.

>>23436477
How about you explain what horrible shit is going on with that screenshot.

>>23436535
Did you not watch the TV series? The poor quality is from the show itself.

>>23418216
It's amazing how Sheryl mogs Ranka even in the loli department.

>>23418242
Kill Rankashit
Worst girl in the franchise

>>23435457
Ranka goes full retarded. I still remember those 2ch threads shitting on her.

>>23436595
She deserves all the hate she gets

>>23436591

>>23417328 (OP)
Seikan Hikou alone beats all of Sheryl's songs.

>Ranka reading this thread

>>23436985
eww green hair
also 2young

>>23436636
Qrd, this from one of the SRW Z games?

>>23435474
Which is the only bad thing that happened in her life, and she isn't the only character with a shitty past in the same story either. Heck ask of that is before the story but not during it.

>>23435484
>>23436533
For what pointing out that Rank has no actual struggles in the show? She doesn't infantilizes her and wants you to feel when she has to work hard, like everyone else. Her losing her family when she was young is her backstory, but it doesn't cause her any "struggles" instead she creates her own problems wth her bad decision making.

>>23436595
People were shitting on her in most places. It all stemmed for her making genuinely shitty decisions for asinine reasons.

>>23436985
See now I feel bad

>>23437149
>>23437159
>>23437164
SDF stands for Sheryl Defense Force apparently

>Sakurahime Azuma Bunsho
>princess is the reincarnation of a gay priest
>princess is raped, has her rapist's baby
>her family dies
>has to work at a brothel
>kills her own baby

No wonder Alto wanted to quit kabuki.

>>23437135
UX, actually.

>>23437466
>ban women because they're too alluring and are selling their bodies to clients
>instead put boys
>same shit happens
Kabuki is some ZESTY shiet nigguh

>>23437630
You have NOH idea

I want to fuck Sheryl AND Ranka.

>>23438180
at the same time!?!?!?!

>>23438157
oh you!

Blaster Master Zero as DLC.
You know you want it /m/...

>>23438342
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xs273olKiIo

>>23438342
I didn't hate Delta. But it could have been done better...

Liked the girls in it.

>>23438814
I ended up liking Delta a lot more when I watched it later. I don't know if I just got caught up in the shit posting the first time or if I was just in a bad mood but when I gave it a second chance a lot of the stuff people complained about I don't think really were as big of issues. Even Mirage's arc wasn't really that poorly handled. Maybe a bit anti climatic but I actually like it better than movie 2 deciding she should be a tard wrangle.

>>23437630
So you’re saying… Alto prostitution doujins?

>>23438180

What happened to the new installment in the series being developed by a different studio?

>>23439352
It's Sunrise. But they've still got tons of work ahead.

>>23417328 (OP)
It's the closest we'll get to a modern Macross Remaster.

>>23417419
The reason Delta is boring is because they padded it out with obvious filler for 18 episodes when they were originally only intending to have 13.

Sharon Apple has the to be the most dogshit idol in the series. I don't know how they even did it but her songs actually sound AI generated but I guess that was the point.

>>23417328 (OP)
It was okay, I feel like the movie versions pretty much fix the issues I have with the Frontier, but I enjoy both the Series and movies.

>>23440362
I wanna challenge that, because whilst I felt the movies gave Sheryl some more, it also took away alot from the series, more than it gave. What makes you say the movies fixed your issues with Frontier?

>>23439352
>>23439381
It'll be a long while before anything comes from that, they only just opened heroine auditions this year.