https://nyaa.si/view/2001463
https://izusubs.wordpress.com/2025/08/03/gavv-episode-46-release/

>Nylev gets developed so he's gonna die next episode
>Lango finally does something
The fight with Bocca but it's just the same old issues we've had since this arc started.

I think they hinted at how they'll take down the president. That collar thing pin is probably a booster of some sort. Nyelv's got a bow and is standing in front of Bocca next episode so he might pull something on him then.

>>23420917
The line in the PV about "watching Nyelv" is probably him sacrificing himself to weaken Bocca or something, I'll wager.

>>23420904
I don't get why this show and Saber do this where they kill the villain just when they're about to get interesting, yet somehow they ended up being the best Reiwa seasons because comparatively the rest have more issues. But I feel that previous seasons like Ryuki, W, OOO, Fourze, Drive and Ex-Aid managed to develop their villain generals while developing the rest of the cast and story in interesting ways, I hope we get another show with consistently good villain generals that's also consistently good overall.

Bocca is quite OP, but it's crazy how we're already fighting him when Jeeph and Lizel are still out there, with the latter still untouched.

That shot of Master swapping to Over looked really cool. Great fight section this episode.

>>23420900 (OP)
glad they finally let them use the blue room for a fight scene

>>23420932
My guess is that Nylev is dead next episode, with Bocca either dying or close to death for the one after. Then I think Lango is going to step in to kill Lizel to clean things up. Jeeph in then ether going to die protecting Lizel or fighting her.

Either way, Lango I think will be the last one standing and we know for sure he's not getting a redemption/forgiveness now.

What are your compliments and complaints to this episode?

>>23421002
Excellent episode on all levels. If I had to say a negative is that i'd have like to see Hanto and Lakia in the Granute world more but that's very minor.

>>23421000
Lango will win by doing nothing.

>>23421002
No one dies, that's my only complaint.

Literally why takebe show have bad final stretch except OOO? They all rushed as fuck, not even maintaining the tension very well.

>>23420932
I suppose Nyelv was banking everything in the weapon working on her too. Jeeb is trash.

>>23420904
Even if Nyelv is lackluster as a villain (like everyone in the show), he hard carried the family since the beginning. He just needed a bit of development for his character to make sense and he just got it.
Lango just opened a door.

>>23420932
Killing either of them before Bocca would be a major mistake. Killing Jeebh or Lizel would enrage Bocca (Lizel would want revenge for breaking her toy making her sad which would make Bocca mad and Lizel dying is self-explanatory) and even when they tried to assassinate him he took it as entertainment rather than angry fighting.

>>23421002
>compliments
Good fight
Sachika sex
>Complaints
I don't know if I love or hate Lango doing jack shit.

>>23421026
"I won?" - Lango Stomach

>>23421034
Nylev's been fun when he does stuff, it's literally just this "sudden flashback to his tumultuous past right before he dies" thing this show keeps doing that's lame
He's had more moments to shine than Suga did I guess

>>23421050
Lizel's actress is good at being cute and evil, hope Toei uses her again for stuff

>>23421057
Bocca & Lizel really feel more like sentai villains than rider villains to me

>I'm one of Shouma's friends!
>You're one of Aka Gavv's friends?

>>23421076
I thought exactly of this image when he asked that

>>23421076
Old habits die hard

>>23421048
Someone really likes Caking.

>>23421068
Gavv is kinda Sentai-y in general, that was one of its early charm point for me early on. Rider aesthetic and themes, but writing feels very Sentai.

Lizel is straight out classic Sentai villainess staple, and Bocca being a monster villain rather than another Rider for once is nice.

>>23421034
I think his characterization moments may have a bit too subtle. He's been consistently characterized as a psychopath wanting to develop power(but not necessarily for himself) and we've been seeing the reasons why closer to the ending. We've also seen that he's constantly failing to understand others through empathy and always thinks he's got them pegged and that's his biggest flaw. He's always been a passive player behind the scenes so he doesn't directly stand in the spotlight and both Lango and Bocca overshadow him as antagonists so when he does get his hands dirty it's going to make it look like he's not done much of anything even though he's responsible for a plenty of critical plot points.

Nice episode, nice fight. I love that look on Nylev when he figuratively shat his pants upon seeing Bocca.

>>23421037
Lango doing nothing is objectively a bad thing.

>>23420927
I think Saber at least didn’t try to give them emotional family related reasons for turning evil, and it was mainly them tired of the way their stories were seemingly forced into a pattern they wanted to break out of. Eternal Phoenix lost his family but everyone else was mainly trying to change their fate and the world’s by force. In Gavv they try to pretend all these villains have some love and care for their families after 40 episodes of them not caring about that at all. It’s more jarring when Gavv does it.
And honestly, it’s not as if the other Reiwa series don’t do some of these same flaws as well. It’s just that Saber and Gavv commit to no redemption arcs for the most part in ways other shows of the era do.

>>23421236
The Stomachs not being fleshed out much also feels worse because they're literally the protagonist's family but it doesn't feel like they take much advantage of that idea's potential.

>>23420927
In Saber, Kamijou was a mystery character whose identity and motivations couldn't be revealed until the end of his run in order to bring about twists that changed the status quo of the whole story. Storious' case was similar, but with the advantage that his past and motivations were unveiled right at the start of the final arc due to his status as the final boss, he was at least fleshed out throughout the whole endgame instead of just a 2-parter. Master Logos was pure evil from start to finish, so the fun came from his antics and not his backstory (which wasn't sympathetic anyways). Zooous and Legeiel were just Storious' pawns, shells of their former selves who couldn't even recall their own past, so the only thing they could develop while they were alive were their petty rivalries with Blades and Saber, as their full backstory wouldn't be revealed until the endgame for the sake of the plot. And almost all of Bahato and Kento's deals were explained as soon as they were re-introduced into the show, with only a few details being revealed later.

>>23421248
The underdevelopment of the Stomachs (and Suga) does stick out as the most disappointing factor of Gavv to me. Each of them is dysfunctional to an extent (Jeeb and Shiita are codependent, Glotta is insecure, Nyelv was shown just now to have a huge inferiority complex), and Suga clearly had a traumatic event involving seemingly the loss of a child. But we don't get inside their heads until it's time for them to die. Even if they wouldn't be very active during the Bitter Gavv arc, they could at least have used that time to give some insight into their character for a better, less sudden payoff when their character flaws made their business implode.

>>23421002
Like the other anons I really liked everything aside from Lango not going to the Granute world for some reason. And while I could see them maybe somehow giving Liselle, Bocca and Lango somewhat satisfying deaths by the end, Jeebh has been so underutilized that I just don't see how they will find an entertaining way to kill him.

>>23421236
Speaking of Falchion we really should have gotten a TTFC gaiden focused on him and Yuri to explain why did that knight kill his family and show Saikou's original dual wielding of the light and dark seikens, felt like missed opportunity

I’m two minds about the Nyelv thing. On the one hand, adding that random flashback near his death is dumb, and so short it may as well not even exist. But on the other hand, unlike the other Stomachs, it doesn’t contradict anything he did or how he acted. It doesn’t pretend he actually cared about the family, he just wanted to be the best one of them all to get back at grandpa. So unless next episode doubles down with the sappy flashbacks, its ok as long as it exists to explain his motivation, not to give him any sympathy. Its like Julio from Revice who had a reason why he was like that, not a justification.

>>23421101
It kind of makes sense. None of his upgrade forms aside from Over are that much different in terms of raw power and all he's getting is different special abilities. Caking is also the one Gochizo he always has on hand and doesn't have a time limit like Blizzard Sorbet or require a lot of prep/Gochizo expenditure like Over/Master. The fatigue problem hasn't been an issue for a while so it can be assumed he's gotten over that.

>all human looks the same

The cinematography used to show Master Mode's speed is so good and they keep finding new ways to do it
>zooming out across the afterimages

>>23421332
>it can be assumed he's gotten over that
I don't think he has, it's more that every time he has used Caking in a fight it has been theast fight of the episode so he doesn't end up getting fatigued
Like you said it's most likely that he's just using it because it's the only upgrade Gochizo he has at hand

>>23421332
>it can be assumed he's gotten over that
I don't think he has, it's just that every time he has used Caking in a fight lately it's for the last fight of the episode so we don't see him getting fatigued
Like you said it's most likely that he's just using it because it's the only upgrade Gochizo he has at hand for that particular fight

>>23421332
>>23421435
The Stomachs and Jaldaks use grunts more heavily as well so the Whipped Soldiers have benefits.

>>23421225
It will only be a bad thing if they suddenly push him as final boss after being so incompetent throughout.

The only thing he had was raw power, and even in that aspect Bocca surpasses him.

>>23421526
It's a bad thing regardless of whether he ends up being the final boss or not because he's still one of the main bad guys and one of the most important figures in the show (on paper). He has no real excuse to be such a sitting duck like being sealed or temporarily dead either, he does nothing despite his role just because.

>>23421332
>>23421435
The only logical reason why Caking gets used so much is because the staff likes it and maybe also because they saw that the audience does too. Caking's drawbacks are honestly not worth it and Shouma should always have a Sorbet spare in hand since he's been shown to eat cold treats frequently enough to have more than one Q2 upgrade Gochizo at a time, especially after taking Sachika's efficient snacking schedule into account.
>>23421491
He can use upgraded Whipped Soldiers with Sorbet.

>>23421586
Let’s wait for an actual statement before anons make retarded crack theories

Man, I'm gonna miss Gavv. Even with its flaws its overall a damn good season and easily the best since Build

>>23421643
You post this bait every single week. Doesn’t it get boring? Make some new material

>>23421643
Best since Saber you mean

>>23421101
this is redemption for Blizzard Sorbet overuse during the Bitter Gavv arc.

I for one think Caking could be the final form in a parallel universe, it's just the coolest.

>>23421678
No, saber is still bad.

>>23421327
>Its like Julio from Revice who had a reason why he was like that, not a justification.
You mean Orteca? Julio was fully redeemed.

>>23421643
Saber is better imo.

>>23421643
Agreed.

>>23421735
No, saber is still bad.

>>23421002
>complimients
Nyelv's flashback
Main cast acting
>complaints
like the previous two episodes, nothing actually happened. And we aren't at a point where we can ignore that.

>>23421026
The funniest part is how he doesn't even give a single crap about Shoma or his associates at the moment. Once again, the man bides his times to swoop in someday and take the spoils.

Someday.

>>23421643
I really think you just took my post where I said Gavv/Gozyuger is the best SHT duo since Gaim/ToQger and "Gavv is the best show since Build" without the context I added later where I stated that I still like most of Reiwa and that I meant in terms of consistency when I said best since Build.
Because I feel you started spamming this phrase since I said that and you has not once elaborated on why you think Gavv is the best since Build, making me think that you haven't actually watched either.

>>23420900 (OP)
Considering both Liselle and Bocca are based on Lovecraft, do you guys think their powers will get even freakier?
Also do you think since there are only 4 episodes left that they'll pull a Shaman King where the villains wins, the cast have to find a way to talk no jutsu so that he doesn't destroy everything, then the V-Cinema is the true conclusion of the show's story?

>>23421935
People have been saying Gavv is the best show since Build for a long while now, that post isn't even a copypasta or anything, as repetitive as that sentiment is.

>>23421935
Has there been a better overall SHT duo than Gokaiger/OOO?

>>23421938
Bocca's too evil to simply give up like that, he did all of this because he wanted even more power than what he already had, and the only way he can achieve that is by killing humans en masse. Shouma will just pull a new form out of his ass to beat him.

>>23421944
Gavv and Gozyuger.

>>23421944
Gotchard and Boonboomger.

>>23421944
I don't think so no, it's weird but I'll argue the earthquake helped them since OOO's nr was ending seems more emotional than the original plan and Gokaiger got to have ton of cameos as a result.

>>23421941
It's mostly that post in particular is from a shirposter due to the way he's phrasing it, the day that a general thread got deleted the posts saying that statement in this manner got deleted confirming it's probably from the same shirposter that tried to pit Komura and Takahashi against each other for no reason. It's just a guy that hasn't actually seen toku trying to be as inflammatory as possible to derail the threads.

This was a really good episode. I liked nearly everything about it. All the fight scenes, Sachika confronting Lango, Shouma's impression of Nyelv, Hanto and Lakia going to the Granute world to save Shouma, the acting, and honestly everything about Bocca's powers. I'm not sure if I like how stupid they made Nyelv look this episode, even though I guess that was the point. I just don't understand how, just like Bocca said, Nyelv didn’t consider that Bocca would've prepared anti-hypnosis measures before letting him experiment on all of it, especially when Nyelv is supposed to be the "brains" of the Stomachs. Either way, good episode. I liked it.

>>23421966
From what I recall, the shitposter uses twitter filenames and "gabbo" as another name for Gavv.
https://desuarchive.org/m/thread/22883779/#q22886611
https://desuarchive.org/m/thread/22966895/#q22970906

>>23421944
Abaranger/Faiz

>>23421967
Nyelv isn't actually that smart. It's been a consistent characterisation of him. He can do science stuff, but he's the third-best scientist and doesn't think ahead. Like when he was shitting himself over Lango finding out he made Vram.

>>23421971
There's quite a few people who use the "gabbo" nickname.

>>23421991
I don't even understand it as a (insult) nickname. It feels like some terrible joke Aruto would make.

>>23422003
Nyelv is a based retard

>>23421996
It's not an insult, seems like you're new.

>>23422003
there's a reason his name is Nyelv STOMACH and not Nyelv BRAIN

>>23422031
I've seen it used since Gavv started and I really don't get what that nickname is supposed to mean.

>>23422031
I've seen it since the premiere of Gavv and I still don't get what that nickname means.

>>23421303
For me it sucks because if given proper time they would have been top tier if they continued the momentum from Shitta and Jeebh's first arc.

Thematically they are strong and consistent that they all in some way are mirrors of Shouma's own insecurities.They just didn't have any time and or attention. Like Nylev has a of presence but, it feels like that time could have been better spent. He has no relationship with Lakia despite their history, Suga coming back didn't result in any development.

Just a shame since I think on the hero side Shouma and the others are the strongest we've had in a while imo.

>>23421735
Well, that's just your opinion anon.

>>23422095
Well yeah, I said as much, that's what "imo" means.

>>23421665
You mad because people have different opinions?

>>23422047
>they would have been top tier if they continued the momentum from Shitta and Jeebh's first arc.
That can be said about a lot of things in this show after the first quarter.

>>23422047
Because of komura. The moment you knew she's the writer you already falling into her focus "trap".
At least when i knew about it, i tempered my expectations.

>>23421941
>People have been saying Gavv is the best show since Build for a long while now
and those people are shitposters. They will elaborate or explain why when asked.

Gavv falls into the same trap that every other reiwa rider has fallen into, the only difference is that Q1 was good.

>>23422153
It really hasn't.

>>23422155
It really has.
>good Q1 but goes to shit after a certain point
>characters are either ruined by the shit writing or just doing nothing for long periods of time.

The only difference with Gavv is it's inability to do anything interesting with it's cast.

>>23421643
I don't know how you can say that Gavv is just as good as Build when it failed to do the most basic shit.
even the worst rider shows like Ghost, Kiva, Wizard, Revice, etc made sure to develop their villains and let them have presence in the plot.

Sachika is such a weird case where she's good because she's a break from all the female riders but also shit because she doesn't really do anything outside of emotional support.

Wait a second
>family man
>Yasumoto Hiroki is the VA
>shoots sonic booms
>gets flipped over, does this kick and lands on his feet

>>23422286
???

>>23422327
Guile from Street Fighter references.

>>23422187
Nta but I feel like your core basis for how good a show is on novelty and scope instead of characterization and performance. Our 3 riders are great heroes with compelling and distinct character arcs with plenty of good moments to show off, the action has been a cut above the usual fare and has impressed with their technicality and the world feels lively and filled with living characters who aren't just there to fill the episodic plots.

The Stomachs could have been a bit more proactive but they're sufficient as foils to the main cast and have motivations that aren't the typical "TAKE OVER/DESTROY THE WORLD" variety aside from Bocca and even that's just as a stepping stone goal to consolidating power even further in his own world. That said, the fact that they're on the upper end of rider memery should tell you that they're still more memorable than the villains in most of the shows since Build so they're doing something better in that aspect.

Basically, the main cast have been incredibly charming and memorable characters to follow with plotlines and setups that let them shine. That's why so many people keep comparing it to Build and not disappointments like Zi-O, Saber, Revice and Gotchard or just above mid shows like Zero-One and Geats - they got them to care about the cast.

>>23422187
Gavv could have given the villains more active roles in middle show arcs and given their backstory earlier, but I like how we're in late show but aren't down to a single villain eating up all screentime.

Heck, Evolt was fun, and will end up more popular than any of Gavv's villains, but in the end all the focus he got hurt the show's last third since he had been built up as a threat everything else felt like a waste of time.

And then you have stuff like Ghost where . Adel getting focus just made the show worse and worse, like Alaim crying to Takeru about how he was useless but didn't want to kill him since he was his brother. The set up with the Ganma world politics just turning out to be a setupfor Adel's take over rather than a tense status quo felt like a big waste.

I don't think Revice was very different from Gavv overall in terms of characterization? The villains were more active and had far more status quo changes, but you only got Akaishi's true motives and backstory (fearing Giff and thinking everything he's doing is for humanity's survival) for example shortly before his death. Same to Orteca for example. In some other cases, rather than their death, it was right before they turned good. Also, in Akaishi's case that backstory made his previous goofy villain acting look really out of place.

Wizard definitely was even worse than Gavv though. I guess you have a more positive impression since they killed a general in the middle 20s, rather than early 10s, but even that just meant TWO different multi episode arcs with Phoenix as the big boss. It adds up to how repetitive that show was. Heck, if Gavv's villains were as passive and useless as Wizard's Dente would still be alive and you wouldn't get Nyelv trying to develop stuff. I GUESS the comparison in this case would be the villains just waiting around for Shouma to create Gochizos as part of their plan, which would make them look smarter, but it'd undermine basically everything else in the show.

>>23422642
The Kiva comparison is odd too. Did King and Bishop even GET backstories at all? I get King was on the field more consistently than Lango or Boca though, but, like, he had a very late introduction and a Rider suit to advertise. Some of that was also just establishing his role, rather than playing into the plot with the protagonists at all.

>>23422642
>we're in late show but aren't down to a single villain eating up all screentime.
I don't think this a good thing, it's actually the opposite problem of what you mention. Leaving so many villains alive, even the ones that don't bring much to the table and should've probably died much earlier than they did (like Glotta), kinda fucks with the progression and escalation of the plot. It also fucks with the focus and build up each villain is given, since the heroes confront one major villain in a single 2-parter then immediately move on to the next one regardless of how important each one is. This is one of the reasons why Jiip's arc ended up botched.

There has to be a balance in the pacing of each villains' focus and deaths, or else you either get singular villains that hog too much screentime to the point it gets tiring or a mess with so many villains running around at the same time that none of them can get handled properly.

>>23422620
>the world feels lively and filled with living characters who aren't just there to fill the episodic plots
NTA but Gavv's world feels very small to me, the only important characters are Shouma's small group of friends and his evil family. You could bring up the Jeldaks and Suga, but the former only got into the show at the same time they joined the Stomach family and the latter is just one guy who somehow manages to do crazy shit like making several clones of the protagonist in his basement all on his own. Stomach Inc. and the Granutes White House seem to have no managers of any kind besides the families that control each of them, and their assistants are all just the mooks they generate from their bodies rather than other Granutes. We rarely get to see Sachika's personal life outside her job and, despite being a civilian outsider, it doesn't feel like Hanto has much of a life outside of hunting Granutes, he seems to work completely solo as a journalist every since his mentor died and we only see him hanging out with one of his other friends once.

The setting would've probably not felt as empty if the law enforcement of either world was actually part of the story rather than an almost background detail.

>the fact that they're on the upper end of rider memery should tell you that they're still more memorable than the villains in most of the shows since Build so they're doing something better in that aspect
What are you talking about? The only one with a persistent meme is Lango, and it's because the viewers noticed he's incredibly clueless and basically does nothing in the show. They're practically laughing at how bad of a villain he is, you really think that counts as a good thing for the show?

>That's why so many people keep comparing it to Build and not disappointments like Zi-O, Saber, Revice and Gotchard or just above mid shows like Zero-One and Geats - they got them to care about the cast.
Why are Takahashifags always like this?

>>23423009
>Ad hominem
Why are saberfags always like this?

>>23423087
Nice non-argument, bro.

>>23423104
You too lil man.
You can't comprehend people having different a opinion so you resort to "takahashifags" or "revicefags" nonsense.

>>23423114
No, I had actual arguments in my post but you decided to ignore them all like the mentally stunted schizophrenic faggot you are. Now let the people with an actual brain have a real conversation instead of butting in and bringing nothing to the discussion, retard.

>>23423122
>actual arguments
based retard

>>23423137
Yes anon, I was actually discussing Gavv in those paragraphs you ignored. Unlike you, who just came to the newest episode thread to be a shitposting retard who's derailing the conversation by talking about anything but the show. Now shut the fuck up and stop posting here if you're not going to discuss the show at all.

>>23423009
We know the gist of how Granute society works with an emphasis on how the ruling class play their little power games and how the peasants get pulled into them and we see the mechanics of how the Stomachs run their machine and the efficiency they ran it with for the past decades without human society ever really picking up on it save some fringe weirdos. That's already more than the regular old trouble in Tokyo setting. We do see bits of Sachika and Hanto's social circles and the influence both of them have through their chosen roles in society. You nitpick on law enforcement, personal lives and management systems but how often does the first even come up the in past franchise entries and how much more of the latter actually needs to be explored for the benefit of the story?

You forgot Jeep. He's been so pathetic it's brilliantly funny. Compare that to the villains of the riders since Build. How many of them are brought up after their series? No one brings up any from Zi-O, Saber and Revice because they were either absolutely forgettable or people just want to forget them entirely. People bring up Gai because of how shit he got to be, Kekera for being an edgefag and Lachesis because dick. Lango's reaction stuck out because of the humor but that's not all that makes him memorable. The Stomachs are also defined through their relationships with the heroes. Shouma goes without saying, Hanto was set up by both Suga and Nyelv and Lakia was drafted by Nyelv and took revenge on Glotta. When people remember the show in the future they're not going to have to struggle to remember what their deal was unlike say the muscleheads Saber started out with.

And if it seems like I'm a Takahashifag that's only because you're putting others in a box instead of recognizing the shows he wrote for were just better than the other ones I was comparing them to. Zi-O, Saber, Revice and Gotchard were outright crap and I say that as someone who actually liked the Zi-O cast.

>>23423226
Gotchard has Majade who is better written than Hanto and every other Gavv character.

>>23422620
>instead of characterization and performance
because even that is weak. We've had the same three arcs on repeat.
Hanto's hatred of granutes being questioned which just concluded with Wolf
Another Lakia likes humans now but with Sachika accepting him which should've happened the moment they met .
Shouma's naïve as fuck and hesitating on killing people despite having no problems before this. We just repeated the "civilians are scared of riders" thing after we had an episode clearing that up.
Do you really think stuff like "Shouma's looking like he's about to die for multiple weeks because Hanto is avoiding him after finding out his mom's fate" is compelling
>they're on the upper end of rider memery
not for a good reason and only Lango

>memorable characters
The show isn't over yet so we won't truly know what's memorable until years later. like I said in my previous post, People (at least on /m/) like Sachika because she isn't the 5th Main Heroine Rider in a row but at the same time it's ruins her character because she has done nothing. She has avoided being a victim of the week for so long that it's weird

>>23423226
>He's been so pathetic it's brilliantly funny.
That's not a meme.
>villains of the riders since Build.
You really shouldn't be using Build or any Omori/Takahashi adjacent show as a shining example for villains.
People like Evolt because he's entertaining and memey not for his writing which is basically just keikaku doori Kuroto/Banno/Dugded.
>how shit he got to be
That isn't a good thing. People bring up Gai because he's the posterboy for Zero-One's writing issues in the latter half. If you wanna talk about why Zero-One went to shit you mention Thouser.
> but that's not all that makes him memorable.
It is because that's a majority of his screen time in the show.
>they're not going to have to struggle to remember what their deal was
anon people are gonna remember how it developed and concluded in the show.
They're gonna remember how the Family disappeared for an entire quarter
They're gonna remember how the only sort of development they got happened an episode before they died
They're gonna remember how Suga's baby was never explained and how he was bought back as a zombie just to die the next episode

It's a lot to remember but it isn't good at all. If that's a criteria for being as good as build then I question your standards for any piece of mem

>>23420900 (OP)
Apologize to him and his series.

>>23423226
>We know the gist of how Granute society works with an emphasis on how the ruling class play their little power games and how the peasants get pulled into them and we see the mechanics of how the Stomachs run their machine
We get the gist of it, but we rarely actually get to see the Granute society that the villains want to control so much. It's also weird that there aren't more humans who know about them without some government and media bribery going on like in Geats.
>We do see bits of Sachika and Hanto's social circles and the influence both of them have through their chosen roles in society
Like I said, we see very very little of it. We only see Hanto hanging around someone other than the main characters (most of whom he only met during the events of the show rather than being previous acquaintances) once. His and Sachika's friends appearing once in a blue moon gives off this vibe that they rarely hang out with those people, sticking primarily to just the very small main cast.
>You nitpick on law enforcement, personal lives and management systems but how often does the first even come up the in past franchise entries
Are you new to Rider or something? Police or other peacekeeping organizations pop up a lot in this franchise, and the shows that have outstanding worldbuilding do put focus on them. Characters interacting with friends and co-workers (who or may not be recurring characters) they've known for a while used to be common, at least in Heisei Phase 1. And the leaders of organizations tend to have assistants or underlings who are actual characters.

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>>23423307
The thing with the Gavv characters' personal lives is that the good guy cast is made up of literally only 4/5 people, there are no more recurring non-evil characters they interact with on a regular basis, so it doesn't feel like they have much of a life beyond their interactions with each other, which is justified with Shouma and Lakia since they came from another world, but with Hanto and Sachika it just feels weird and empty.
>You forgot Jeep. He's been so pathetic it's brilliantly funny.
Jiip I don't see being memed per se, at least not much, even if people like to bring up how pathetic he is or get horny about him. But I also see quite a few people complaining about how he's a wasted character who's just there to get fucked over and questioning why he's still in the show, and I share that opinion.
>How many of them are brought up after their series? No one brings up any from Zi-O, Saber and Revice because they were either absolutely forgettable or people just want to forget them entirely. People bring up Gai because of how shit he got to be, Kekera for being an edgefag and Lachesis because dick. Lango's reaction stuck out because of the humor but that's not all that makes him memorable
Gavv hasn't ended, so we don't know how much the Stomachs will be actually brought up in the years to come. How memed and laughed at they currently are doesn't matter much, just look at Gai whose many many ironic memes couldn't actually save the unironic perception about him. And I think the Stomachs will probably go down a similar path to him or get quickly forgotten because one of the most consistent complaints about the show is how mishandled its villains are.

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>mfw a woman is talking

>>23423313
>The Stomachs are also defined through their relationships with the heroes.
Nyelv barely has a relationship/enmity with Hanto despite being on paper one of the main orchestrators of his suffering. Same with Lakia and Glotta, the former had no particular beef with her throughout the vast majority of the show until the 2-parter in which she got killed. Siita's primarily just there to die so Jiip can become his own character and get a revenge arc. And Lango barely does anything, and that includes interacting with the heroes.

Even someone like Zooous and Rintaro in Saber had more of a rivalry than any of the above, and that was capped off climatically in 3 whole episodes.

The one character I will give you is Jiip, because his whole arc is centered around taking revenge on Shouma and how that drives him to make terrible decisions, even if he always ends up fumbling each and every single one of his attempts and Shouma himself barely cares about him.

>And if it seems like I'm a Takahashifag that's only because you're putting others in a box instead of recognizing the shows he wrote for were just better than the other ones I was comparing them to. Zi-O, Saber, Revice and Gotchard were outright crap and I say that as someone who actually liked the Zi-O cast.
Zero-One and Geats had massive flaws, flaws that might not break those shows as hard as Revice's did, but they're certainly not much better than the shows that surround them.

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>>23423299
>People like Evolt because he's entertaining
So for his writing? You're being disingenuous if you think Evolt wasn't memorable because of his connection to the characters in the show. He's apart of some of the more iconic parts of Build.

>>23423299
In the NHK poll Dan was the second highest placing villain while Evolt was the fifth. But sure I guess being entertaining is a negative for a superhero special effects show

>>23423674
>>23423687
NTA, but Lango is still a shit villain. His connection with the characters is weak because he barely interacts with them. He's not entertaining in the show itself because he barely appears and doesn't actually do much of anything. Ironic, meta memes about how he's always sitting on his ass don't magically make the actual character good.
>In the NHK poll Dan was the second highest placing villain while Evolt was the fifth.
That was a poll for Riders, not villains in general. And it's not really an indicator of quality, the masses can prefer walking memes over well-written characters. Ohma Zi-O made it above Evol but I don't think you truly believe he's a better villain than him because of that. Though I admit Evolto and Kuroto were solid villains in terms of writing, relationships and actions, which is something I can't say about Lango.

>>23423324
>not much better other shows
see, i know you're hasegawafag....painting other series as bad while no one is allowed to complaint their favorite series
double standard all around

>>23423977
I didn't say shit about the Stomach argument. I'm saying that anon is retarded for acting like Evolt isn't one of the most beloved villains in the franchise.

>>23423981
Your favorite show is shit, now cry in shame and kill yourself like the good shitposter you are.

>>23423990
>that anon is retarded for acting like Evolt isn't one of the most beloved villains in the franchise
He didn't say he wasn't, in fact he recognized that he's well-liked. He was questioning the quality of his writing, not his popularity.

>>23421050
She's so pretty bros...

>>23423674
>>So for his writing
Wrong, for his acting. If the writing is good, then people would not complain when Evolto got half the series for himself

>Sachika is such a weird case where she's good because she's a break from all the female riders but also shit because she doesn't really do anything outside of emotional support.

Because honestly status quo wise the show still feels like its in its early 30s or late 20s despite being like 4 episodes away from dying. I like the episodes and arcs by themselves, but for a semi-serialized show its not doing a very good job of building up to the end. With Lango still running around Bocca feels like a villain that should've been dealt with like 4-5 episodes ago to make way for him to have the final arc.

Sachika's arc with Lakia also feels like something that should've been in the 30s and not the final stretch. Being emotional support is not really the problem, but outside of Shouma... the Gavv cast actually doesn't need it that much and already solved it by themselves anyway (Shouma/Hanto conflict, Lakia's abandoning his revenge), rather than needing to be like Mei.

>>23423977
>Though I admit Evolto and Kuroto were solid villains in terms of writing, relationships and actions, which is something I can't say about Lango.

The only villain that really stood out to me in Gavv the same way as those two is Lizel, and that's mainly because she got a little more to work with for her characterization (+ the actress doing a really good job). Spoiled daddy little brat isn't much more to work off with than the rest of the Stomach, but its at least something more. Bocca's ok, but that's more off the back of him just being a bog standard scumbag politician, just in a sci-fi setting and he's an alien.

Glotta could've been great given the impact of her debut. But in the 30 or so episodes between her debut and her death, we went from knowing
she's hot and she likes battles, to she's hot, she likes battles, and she's emotionally retarded. And its only the episode before she died that we learnt the last one. She's fits the Sentai rival-villain archetype perfectly and somehow Komura still fucked that up.

>>23423305
talking about bad guys, Glion honestly feels like a better developed villain overall than whoever ends up being the last one standing at this point

>>23420900 (OP)
I'm tired of seeing Shouma having to learn the same lesson over and over again. If they had to do it one last time I think they should've pulled off a twist to make it more interesting like Shouma learning Bouche impregnated his mom and got him modified so he would end up becoming the strongest being that could take over the Granute World or Sachika being targeted and Pressed because of him or something, give him a new existential crisis or dilemma that could make him mentally regress and push him into accepting Nyelv's offer.

>>23424886
No way. Gotchard failed badly when they gave him a goofy ass goal, had him humiliated halfway through and still wanted him taken seriously afterwards.

>>23424886
Glion is 100% on the actor. The character himself is as one-note as one could be.

>>23423252
>People (at least on /m/) like Sachika because she isn't the 5th Main Heroine Rider in a row but at the same time it's ruins her character because she has done nothing.

I agree with you about everything else, but I still don't understand that sentiment. If anything it's a testament to the writing for the main cast that she's as entertaining and valuable as she is without being directly involved with the plot. There shouldn't be any shame in just being a great support character without being a fighter or plot device like so many other heroines in recent series.

>>23424530
>Being emotional support is not really the problem, but outside of Shouma... the Gavv cast actually doesn't need it that much and already solved it by themselves anyway

She's not just a sounding board for fixing internal conflicts, she's also general moral support, light detective work and PR.

>>23425355
>when they gave him a goofy ass goal
His goal is as goofy as any other big bad who seeks to destroy the world because they're insane, he wants to turn the world into gold to rule over an everlasting "utopia"/dyatopia, gold itself is not the end goal.

>>23425355
>had him humiliated halfway through and still wanted him taken seriously afterwards.
Same thing happened to Lango,
Masamune, Evolto, Gremlin, Odin, King, Storious and others. It's like you're either new to the franchise or are completely oblivious to the fact that a villain can be beaten once or more and then come back way stronger than whatever form defeated them in the first place.

>>23425420
>she's also general moral support and PR.
NTA but those are just other aspects of emotional support (it's not like the heroes have ever gotten in trouble with the authorities or doxxed, so the PR work is pretty much done just so that Shouma/Gavv doesn't receive offhand comments that could make him sad). I'll give you the detective work though, as well as the fact that she's been managing Shouma's Gochizo production.

>>23420900 (OP)
>You don't understand! I'm a GOOD capitalist!

>>23425420
I think the complaints come partly from the fact that Sachika has gotten so heavily involved with the main characters yet the plot has never directly affected her, which makes her feel like complete outside element. Most Heroines are either directly tied to the plot, have pasts and motivations directly connected to it, and/or are directly caught up in the main conflict at some point (see Yuki and Mei). But Sachika's character has somehow avoided these kinds of connections to the central plot for the entirety of the show so far, which makes her feel like a complete outsider to the story who's there to support the heroes but never suffers the major consequences of getting involved in the grand conflict of a Rider show.