Thread 23450778

I just finished watching Gundam 0079. Overall, a very solid show! I enjoyed the emphasis on humanity and how the characters had their own motivations and goals outside of one another. I liked the way that human connections were explored through loyalty and betrayal.
It's too bad the series was cancelled. The pacing was solid until the sudden introduction of newtypes, after that everything happened too fast and seemed unnatural.
I hated the children. Their presence alone dropped the show from an 8.5/10 to an 8/10 for me.
I found Char to be overhyped. He did not demonstrate much character growth, and his motivation to get revenge on Zabi faltered too much. I won't criticize his motivation for being misguided (as it was written so), only unfocused. He got too sidetracked with newtypes only to go, "Oh, actually, I should take revenge on Zabi after all." It will be interesting to see how he interacts with women in future series, given how he treated Lalah. He took advantage of her and "loved" her too selfishly. Made her shed blood despite her innocence.
My favorite characters were Lalah and Amuro.
My least favorite characters were the children and Mirai.
I'm excited to experience the rest of the Universal Century timeline.

A woman wrote this.

>>23450781
After our nights of passion together, you would know.

>>23450784
Only a woman wouldn't like Mirai and Children.
Also I am surprised you do not like Char. He's a fatherless, motherless, sisterless man without any real homeland or people to die for. He essentially stole the scene every time he popped up.

>>23450788
You forget, Char did have a sister.
That’s how he described Lalah, remember?
And he had a mother, too.
Also Lalah.

>>23450791
She's 17 by the way. He was 20 by the way. They also kissed.

>>23450778 (OP)
>It will be interesting to see how he interacts with women in future series, given how he treated Lalah. He took advantage of her and "loved" her too selfishly. Made her shed blood despite her innocence.

I think you are definitively going to find Zeta ad CCA interesting but I wont give anything away.

>>23450791
Hell, he even had a lover.
Guess who.

>>23450793
>I am surprised you do not like Char.

>>23450804
>>I am surprised you do not like Char.
Legal in my state.

who the fuck is this /a/ refugee namefag jesus christ

>>23450819
It would be best to warn you. Drop it early.

>>23450819
>>23450821
This place is sacred. Please.

>>23450830
Stop replying and he'll go away.

>>23450841
>The number of times that worked EVER
>

Newtypes kind of bog down Gundam as a whole and their equivalents in AU also are typically detrimental to a show's narrative. I don't think it's a coincidence that Gundam seems more enjoyable when they aren't focused on.

>>23450841
Admittedly, I’ve grown fond of him. He makes me laugh.
>>23450874
We are in agreement, then. Weird to me that a show focusing on humanity would have “better” humans. It seemed counterintuitive to what the show was trying to do. It creates an imbalance. It’s much cooler to have Amuro win a fight off his own ability than superhuman powers. He’s special enough already.
I hope future series explore the idea in a better way. The idea of newtypes having potential for greater connection IS interesting. It feels like there could be something there, it just fell flat in 79.

>>23450778 (OP)
>I just finished watching Gundam 0079. Overall, a very solid show!

yeah it's only one of the most influential anime ever made for a reason. Solid. That's a good one. I'm sure to glad to see someone random online asshole found what is maybe the most important anime of its time and beyond to be SOLID. Get a blog.

>>23452309
Gee, anon, I'm sorry you're so upset.

So do you not like Newtypes because it's like a powerup or do you not like them because it delves closer to fantasy than science fiction?

>>23452545
That's a good question! To me, it's more of the former. It's more interesting when characters win off their own merit rather than being "chosen ones" or similar. The explanation of newtypes coming about from space exploration as "human souls were weighed down by gravity on Earth" (though I don't think this is explained until later series?) doesn't feel too bullshitty. I can excuse the fantasy since they at least tried to explain it. I think I could come around to the idea of newtypes depending on how they're portrayed in future series.
What do you think of newtypes, do you like them? I haven't talked to many other Gundam fans, so I'm curious about how others view the series.

>>23452566
Newtypes are an inherent part of Gundam but I agree in that the series that don't focus on them or a facsimile of them are generally more enjoyable. To give you a very quick list of how often Newtypes come up in the Universal Century shows/movies after the original (the list is not all encompassing):
>Zeta
Heavy emphasis
>ZZ
Heavy emphasis
>CCA
Heavy emphasis
>0080
No emphasis
>8th MS Team
No emphasis
>0083
No emphasis
>F91
Little emphasis
>Victory
Extremely heavy emphasis
>Unicorn
Extremely heavy emphasis

Just keep in mind that you are more likely to encounter Newtypes or their equivalent in Gundam than not. Sometimes their representation is better than others.

>>23452309
Most lauded anime are absolute ass, anon.

>>23452637
how would you rank each series for newcomers going in chronological order?

>>23452637
I’m now watching through 08th MS Team and it feels more fun to watch characters who aren’t overpowered. I don’t want to write off newtypes, as I’m enjoying Gundam as a whole and am interested to see how the idea is explored. I appreciate the list, it helps me know what I’m getting into here. Thank you very much!

>>23452566
>That's a good question


Bot post holy fucking shit please stop.

>>23452696
So to be very frank most Gundam shows range from poor to mediocre. Many, I'd even say most, start out pretty strong and finish weakly. That doesn't make them a waste of time to watch, but don't go into any of them expecting life-changing fiction by the end. I think the grand majority of Gundam fans, myself included, stick around for the mecha action rather than the story because we like giant robot death machines.

If you want to watch a series to just "see if you like it" I'd recommend some of the following based on some arbitrary criteria:

If you like to watch things from the beginning, then obviously go with the original Mobile Suit Gundam.
If you like more typical shonen action, mecha or not, try G Gundam.
If you like a larger character or robot cast over a tighter story narrative, try Gundam 00.
If you like a tighter story narrative over a larger character or robot cast, try Gundam 0080.
If you're pressed for time, try the Gundam F91 movie.

Keep in mind all Gundam projects are at their foundation a war story, so if you don't like those... well, turns out Gundam even has something for you. An exception there is Build Fighters, so if you're the kind of guy who just liked to smash action figures together as a kid, give that one a try.

Newtypes are the only interesting concept Gundam offers to the mecha genre and the fact that people here think they are a burden on the story shows that they are extremely insecure about watching television shows that are aimed at younger teenagers and don't like that Gundam has "space wizard shit like Star Wars".

>>23452855
You are on an anime forum. Insecurity about what they are watching went out the window a long time ago. Maybe they just don't like Japanese Star Wars.

>>23452860
>Insecurity about what they are watching went out the window a long time ago.
No, it really hasn't. Most of the morons on this board use "super robot" as a prejorative for shit they will never watch because "it looks childish", and consider Gundam some mature masterpiece. Great Mazinger covers more serious and realistic themes than Gundam does. It also doesn't have the "space wizard shit". But it's all about posturing for some morons online to pretend they have superior taste. They are ironic weebs who have moved onto Gundam because G-Witch and G-Qux got a lot of attention, or maybe they saw some Gundam merch when they were at a local store.
>Maybe they just don't like Japanese Star Wars.
Then they should shut the fuck up about Gundam and stop posting about it? Newtypes weren't randomly inserted into the narrative, they are an essential aspect of the franchise.

>>23452637
>series that don't focus on them or a facsimile of them are generally more enjoyable
I disagree.
0080 is just okay
08th MS couple follow the themes of newtypism without the explicit label. It's an honorary newtype show for me.
0083 is dogshit.
F91 is just average.

>>23452898
>Newtypes weren't randomly inserted into the narrative, they are an essential aspect of the franchise.
In some continuities but in others there is no equivalent. G, Wing, and IBO don't have anything similar to Newtypes off the top of my head.

>>23452855
I think the real trap with Newtypes being introduced into the story is that when you get one character confirmed to be a newtype, like Amuro for example, expect a ton more characters to come around the corner to also be newtypes. It then becomes the question of,
>Are there any other newtypes I should know about?

I personally really enjoy newtypes as a concept. It allowed characters like Sayla and Amuro and even Char to face a new dilemma, so they aren't stagnant war heroes on their respective side.

>>23456865
Mine!

>>23450945
The direction of Newtypes post-0079 by Tomino do end up questioning if they’re really the future of human evolution. With various characters who’s existence purposefully contradict the ideology espoused by Zeon Deikun.

>>23450778 (OP)
Before you jump into the rest of Universal Century, I honestly do recommend checking out some of Tomino’s other works like Ideon and Heavy Metal L-Gaim because a lot of ideas and concepts do end up making their way into both Zeta and ZZ.

>>23456865
>>23456866
Thank you for helping me keep the thread alive!
>>23457055
I'm excited to see it explored more, then! I hope I can share more of my thoughts on the series in this thread (provided it lives to see more days). I'm almost done with 08th MS Team.
>>23457076
Thank you for the recommendation! I might just do this.

I wish the Gundam series made more UC side stories
Grunt on Grunt action with very little to no Newtype BS is the best content released as of yet
Hopefully they'll start exploring what-if scenarios and make more content
I'd like a what-if ZZ with Kamille as the MC if he didn't get Newtype overload brain damage at the end of Z

>>23450778 (OP)
Why don't you like Mirai?

>>23457712
Maybe I wasn’t paying enough attention to her, but she felt like a very “nothing” character to me among the cast, especially with the strong personalities of the other female characters. The first time she made any impression on me was when Bright had her command in his stead, and she was incompetent (admittedly, she had no training and was unprepared, so it’s not completely her fault). Still, it was frustrating, and not a good impression. Then, despite having a thing with Bright (who deserved better), she goes and kisses Sleggar the episode after he slaps her (for rejecting her fiancé, a THIRD love interest). What the fuck?!
On a more personal note, I was watching the series with someone who couldn’t believe I didn’t like Mirai. I really leaned into it after that. It became a lot of fun to actively dislike her and root against her. Sometimes it’s fun to be contrarian.
I thought it was funny she was the most promiscuous female character despite being quiet and unassuming.
Maybe I’ll take inspiration from the posters above and make a tier list of my own, it sounds like a fun idea.

>>23450778 (OP)
>Lalah in favorite characters
How so? I don't particularly dislike her, but I've never seen much to her character beyond being something to orbit and get orbited by Taisa and the star-crossed newtypes thing with Amuro that doesn't really help flesh her out before she's killed off for Amuro and Char's character development. She's Sleggar-tier at best, and more of a plot device for her men than an actual character at worst.

>>23457903
Lalah made Gundam feel like a completely different show. Such an eerie, haunting character. From her very first appearance, I was struck by how she felt like something transcendent from humanity. It was captivating to see pilots react to her song in space.
Lalah gives me hope for future Newtype portrayals, as I enjoy the idea beyond the “power scaling” aspects it seems to have (I find it interesting for its “human connection” aspects).
Much of Lalah’s personality felt shown and not told. A gentle character who loves beautiful things and watches swans in the rain goes to war and sheds her innocence by drawing blood. Which, yes, does lend itself to Char’s characterization as he brought her to war in pursuit of his own interests. But it also raises the question of why she gave her loyalty to him and accepted the title of a soldier without complaint.
It stuck with me that, when she died, she projected an image of her and Amuro together by a lake to give the message that she forgave him. (It says a lot about Char that he ignored this message.) While her scenes tended to involve either Char or Amuro, she still felt like her own character to me. She definitely seemed like a psychic or a fortune teller, a character whose strengths are reliant on others to be effective.
Ultimately, she leaves me with a lot of questions. I wish we had seen much more of her.

>>23459237
I agree with this, as a fellow Lalah enjoyer. I also liked the Newtype aspect of the show a lot. I guess people who hate the newtype stuff wouldn't really care much for her.

>>23456865
>>23456866
>Sleggar Law
>D
Low test.

>>23450819
Stop that!

I've finished a few more UC series - 08th MS Team, War in the Pocket, and Stardust Memory. I'll probably space out my thoughts on all of them throughout the next few days.

08th MS Team was my favorite Gundam entry so far, I might even rank it above 0079. It felt shonen, but not in a bad way. Shiro is a terrible soldier, but a good man. He was a very entertaining MC, it was fun to see his creative solutions throughout the series. His and Aida's love story did not feel forced; I enjoyed the moments when the two would interact. They both put their lives on the line for what they thought was right - no needless bloodshed. I thought the pairing made sense based on that alone, but they had chemistry, too. The bath scene was cute.
I enjoyed the main cast overall, with the exception of Eledore for being too annoying. Still, he contributed to some memorable moments - he wasn't a pointless character.
I thought it was funny that Karen, the only woman in the squad, was the most competent soldier. Sanders, too, but he was more swayed by personal feelings.
I enjoyed the 13th episode; it seemed an important addition despite occurring after the main story ended. Shiro and Aida managed to escape the war together, good on them. I get the feeling they might have had the happiest ending of all Gundam protagonists, from what I've seen so far. The nod to Lalah was a nice touch, too.
08th MS Team felt like a good addition to the UC timeline. It carried the message of MSG, that Zeon and the Federation are both corrupt, but there are good soldiers on both sides. It was a faithful entry that added something new to the franchise. Overall, it was an enjoyable watch.

>>23457667
This but the opposite. The OVAs all doing absolutely nothing substantial with newtypes is a huge waste. It's a big part of the series and it's odd that they don't do anything with it beyond references and nods. There's a lot left to explore with the theme. This is why blue destiny is one of the better side stories.

>>23465911
(I am OP, not the poster you responded to.)
I am still getting through the series (am only 8 episodes into Zeta) but with how many characters in 0079 that were Newtypes, it felt good to have a reminder that most characters in the franchise are Oldtypes. As Newtypes seem to still be relatively unstudied prior to Zeta, it tracks so far. I find Oldtype characters to be more relatable than Newtypes, and I connected more with many OVA characters than 0079's characters as a result.
I wonder if my opinion will hold up as I see more of Gundam.
I am enjoying Zeta's portrayal of Newtypes far more than 0079's. They feel fewer, more far between. The sociological implications can be seen more clearly - Newtypes are feared, and in some cases their existence is covered up. Oldtypes are in fear of being replaced. I enjoy this take on it.

>>23450841
Naw. He's cool. You go back.

>>23452637
>but I agree in that the series that don't focus on them or a facsimile of them are generally more enjoyable.
That's objectively incorrect as the best themes from gundam involves newtypes. You have to be a soulless mid iq reddit tier atheist that thinks science disproved metaphysics.

>>23452698
>I’m now watching through 08th MS Team and it feels more fun to watch characters who aren’t overpowered.
They're only overpowered if you think gundam is power level adjacent like a big dumb shonentard

>>23453099
Your entire logic is hilariously flawed & retarded. Literally reeks of insert too.

>>Are there any other newtypes I should know about?
Not really. Especially since THAT's literally what happens for the rest of the franchise, you dumb oxymoron.

>>23452855
This true because newtypes are inherent to the themes of the gundam franchise.

>>23452855
>extremely insecure about watching television shows that are aimed at younger teenagers

You americatards or western anitards are totally out of touch with reality on top of being massive ignoramuses.

>>23466103
Anon, what is your obsession with America and the West? Is this some shit meme you're trying to push?

>>23452898
>No, it really hasn't. Most of the morons on this board use "super robot" as a prejorative for shit they will never watch because "it looks childish", and consider Gundam some mature masterpiece.
I agree that's stupid as hell & gundam is a masterpiece franchise because its entertainment value & themes with substance.

>It also doesn't have the "space wizard shit".

Yeah i see, now you're also a dumb soulless empty low iq baboon retard too. Reddit brained monkey operating on double digits & lacking in senses.

Not reading the rest.

>>23452898
>Newtypes weren't randomly inserted into the narrative, they are an essential aspect of the franchise.

This is true & i don't know HOW if you understand this much, you still imply newtypes are just "space wizard shit". Got damn swarthy. Oh wait, neanderthals are the head hunters that consistently think this.

>>23466110
Are you brain dead? I only posted shitting on "America and the West" once in this thread.

>>23466162
Are you saying you're not the same guy that bringing up Americans in every other thread?

>>23466211
Who are you referring to? Are you new?

>>23466211
What threads exactly?

>>23465765
War in the Pocket grew on me more as it went on. I felt like 6 episodes was a good length of time to tell the kind of story it wanted to tell; it didn't overcomplicate things.
My biggest question after the series was, how the hell was Chris allowed in a Gundam?! She was WEIRD! Stakes out in her backyard in the middle of the night for no reason that was ever explained, gets drunk and cries to some guy who was stringing her along, isn't even a full-time soldier... I get that they don't exactly filter out pilots on their maturity, given all the child soldiers in Gundam but it felt very misplaced.
I wondered to myself why "War in the Pocket" was named such a thing. I feel as though it had to do with how Alfred (initially) and his friends didn't see war as it truly was. They glorified it, as children do, and found various trophies like insignias, bullets... keepsakes to put in their pockets, and that was all war was to them. Alfred even betrayed his father's cause for his spoils because he couldn't see the reality of war; couldn't understand the deaths it caused until he saw them face to face.
The scene that stood out to me most was Bernie’s final message to Alfred. It echoed Gundam's core message that there are good soldiers on both sides. So far, I feel like a Gundam entry cannot be faithful if it doesn't carry this message. It was very haunting to see these kind sentiments from a man who knew he was going to die, and was composed and resigned to his fate; he did not blame his enemy. And it was awful that his death was unnecessary, as the threat of annihilation had already been nullified. And Alfred, watching, had to see Bernie die in vain... What a depressing story.
Alfred's growth through the series was what made it a really good watch. No one should have to shoulder that pain all alone, especially a kid. No one will understand. It's okay, though, because the next war will be even cooler and flashier than this one.

>>23470978
>War in the Pocket
Its funny how so many filters of previous gundam shows think its the best without realizing they're the alfred of the show

>>23476917
>Statement that does not go into depth as into why it is said
Color me fucking shocked. Let me know when you develop critical thought.

>>23476917
...I hope you develop reading comprehension someday, anon.

>>23477634
>>23479453
You reek of low testosterone. The only thing "colored fucking shocking" is why you'd react like an snarky irritable little autist. Why don't you practice what you preach & develop some actual self control too? Maybe i should've elaborated, but naw fuck off newfag. And yes, in war in the pocket's Alfred is a shoe in for fags that didn't understand the overall message of previous gundam series. Maybe that was you. Since you know....you're new & all. Bitch.

>>Statement that does not go into depth as into why it is said

Why? You're insanely retarded if you're expecting everyone posting to go in "depth" in the form you want them. Autist.

>Is so autistic in fact, he repeats himself twice in seethe
I accept your concession.

>>23452848
Holy shit this fanart of Kira is way better than Hiraiface.

>>23470978
yeah, fundamentally Gundam is about good men killing for a war they don't understand to the benefit of the elites, who are the real enemy

Why did Beltorchika kiss Amuro like in the 2nd episode she appeared? Is that because she is Sayla replacement (with whom Amuro was supposed to have developed relationships at this point)? Or that thing about quick romances during wars?

>>23481161
Wrong thread?

>>23481161
Are you being dumb on purpose? What's else to explain besides she wants his dick?

>>23480342
There only fag here who's been seething is (you).
i wonder if those two posts coping & malding was you same fagging?
lol. Develop some wit you low iq autistic retard. instead of throwing a hissy temper tantrum with uncreative buzzwords. But that requires critical thought which is something you struggle with on top of being a literal gimp. Also if you think those two posts were a repeat of each other, than you really do lack self awareness & poor reading comprehension.

>>23481362
>Gets called out for being a seething midwit
>Responds with even more seething and ironic buzzword spam
Nta, but what is wrong with you?

>23481362
>Another paragraph of autistic seething
You? Lost.

>>23466135
>>23466149
The phrase is in quotes for a reason you utterly retarded ESL faggot. In the first post I literally am saying Great Mazinger doesn't have anything like newtypes and handles mature themes but people will not watch it because watching Gundam is essentially performative to ironic weebs to present themselves as mature or some bullshit even though the series is aimed at Japanese children.

>>23481928
My post implies anyone dumb enough to dismiss newtypes as "space wizard shit" are idiots who should fuck off and stop discussing Gundam, at no point did I ever imply the same. Instead of chimping out randomly, try actually fucking reading posts.

>>23481161
women just do that when they want your cock

>>23481729
>Gets called out for being a seething midwit
How was i the one seething like a midwit?
This post >>23476917
made (you)
>>23477634
>>23479453
seeth. You are dishonest with your attempt at spinning your cope on to me.

>no u
Schizo or troll, it's pathetic regardless.
>>23481903
I'm beginning to think some of the people here would never be heard from again if they couldn't get into an autistic slapfight over whatever.

>>23481928
> even though the series is aimed at Japanese children
Only a retarded as fuck "midwit" would claim gundam is "aimed at Japanese children". You don't know what the fuck you're talking about & i'm tired of ignorant retards like (you) going around on /m/ projecting their own inner insecurities that they feel about watching Japanese cartoons. Mecha anime like gundam or the like are not aimed at japanese "children". That's historically & culturally incorrect. You are ignorant on the history of gundam's placement on otaku fan culture & its failure gaining any traction with younger viewers.
Develop some original thought & read a fucking book on the history of otaku culture, before making dumbass claims as that because its popular to be cynical & edgy towards shitting on gundam or anyone who wants to seriously discuss /m/ media.

>In the first post I literally am saying Great Mazinger doesn't have anything like newtypes and handles mature themes but people will not watch it because watching Gundam is essentially performative to ironic weebs to present themselves as mature
You are the retarded faggot. i understood that, and i never see any gundamfags on /m/ behaving all smug for being too ''mature" to watch something like great mazinger because it isn't sophisticated enough to do so unlike watching gundam. No gundamfag or any fags is behaving this way. That's just bullshit. You are literally making shit up in your brain rotted fucking head. What the fuck are you even on about?

>>23482431
>if they couldn't get into an autistic slapfight over whatever.
i would agree but this post >>23476917
has no business triggering anyone. Its a random throw away post with some truth to it.

>>23482435
Quit projecting. Alfred is literally a stand in for gunpla enjoyers that don't care for the themes of gundam.

The best Gundam is clearly 0079, which is sad in its own way.

I guess all this autisc sperging over nothing is an attempt by OP or whomever to keep this shit thread alive.

>>23482476
Two different typing styles and buzzword usage. So no.

>>23470978
One thing I find interesting about 0080 that nobody seems to comment on is how the premise of the show intentionally parallels 0079’s first episode. A team of Zeon soldiers infiltrate a colony that’s being used to develop the Federation’s new mobile suit.

>>23482442
>Only a retarded as fuck "midwit" would claim gundam is "aimed at Japanese children".
It was quite literally aimed at teenagers, aka children, in Japan. It found a military autist otaku fanbase because of clever marketing of the movies. A show like Dougram is actually aimed at these people. If you knew anything about the history of Gundam then you would know that.

>before making dumbass claims as that because its popular to be cynical & edgy towards shitting on gundam or anyone who wants to seriously discuss /m/ media.
Where in my post am I shitting on Gundam? I'm shitting only on Gundam "fans" (notice the quotation marks, ESL-kun?) who think the series would be better off without newtypes because they think it's "space wizard magic" despite it being nothing like that. My other point was that it was an attempt to mask their insecurity over watching cartoons aimed at an audience younger than them by pretending it's mature and it would be even more mature if you removed the "space wizard magic" stuff.

>No gundamfag or any fags is behaving this way.
If you have not observed this general pattern of behaviour not just on this board in Gundam threads but in general outside of 4chan, then you are willfully ignorant or unable to read. I'm thinking the latter is true considering you are a retarded ESL faggot flipping out for no good reason. Fuck off and never reply to my posts again you absolute spastic.

>>23484246
>It was quite literally aimed at teenagers, aka children, in Japan.
Stopped reading right there. You're clearly retarded af on top being very uneducated on the subject. its also clear you care more about shit posting in bad faith & getting a "gotcha" in replies. You're still pushing this objectively false narrative that gundam anime are not aimed at otaku despite being one of the main sub-culture pillars responsible. Japanese children did NOT understand or appreciate the political narrative in gundam contributing to its failure with that initial target audience. This is a known fact outside the western ameritard fanbase. Which you clearly must be from because even when presented with factually information, you'll continue to deflect like the edgy insecure spergy manchild that you are.

>>23484246
Why do you think the movies removed so much of the toyotic elements of the show? Also, you easily aggravated low iq baboon. Ryosuke takahashi anime like votoms/dougram wouldn't have such a target audience if Gundam didn't paved the way for more mature robot anime. (tho robot romance trilogy & zambot 3 started it) Dougram is a direct response to Gundam's popularity with an new acquired older target fanbase. Are you really this brain dead? Just go back. You're giving japanese children far too much credit. Kill yourself. We need less tourist retards like (you) around /m/.

https://mediag.bunka.go.jp/projects/project/images/JapaneseAnimationGuide.pdfretard
https://criesinnewtype.wordpress.com/2020/02/29/declaration-of-a-new-anime-century-our-shinjuku-scramble/

>>23485856
>>23485864
The irony of calling me an "easily aggravated low iq baboon" when you are not just easily aggravated, but you are literally attacking me in spite of the fact that you agree with me. Seriously, read before you reply. There's a reason lurk moar is a saying.
>Japanese children did NOT understand or appreciate the political narrative in gundam contributing to its failure with that initial target audience.
So you are agreeing with me that Gundam was initally aimed at children. Why the chimp-out, then?
>Why do you think the movies removed so much of the toyotic elements of the show?
I literally said because the movies were cleverly marketed at military otaku. Once again, why the chimp-out? I am well aware that Gundam essentially invented otaku culture, nowhere in any of my posts did I deny that because it was never part of the discussion.
What we were discussing, which is a point that you agreed with, is that newtypes are good and an essential part of Gundam. I like newtypes, I think they make UC more interesting. Not because they are like "space wizards", but because they serve a thematic and narrative function. I posited that the reason people hate newtypes is because they are insecure ironic weebs that try to justify watching Gundam by saying it's "mature", much like how Evafags justify watching Eva by saying it's a "deconstruction" of mecha and that it's "about the characters, not the robots". These are clichés now that we make fun of but they are stereotypes of Evafags for a reason, if you ever speak to an Evafag about other robot shit they will inevitably say something along those lines. These people don't understand Gundam like you or I, that's why they come out with these knuckledragging baboon opinions.
For my part I recognise I have been snarky in my responses, but seriously dude you are literally chimping out on me for disagreeing with you when in actuality we basically agree on everything.

>>23486391
Anon, it's almost definitely bait you're responding to.

>>23450778 (OP)
>I found Char to be overhyped.
You might want to watch the movies because there are many small changes to Char's scenes in the movie that flesh out the character

>>23482456
I get where you're coming from, but you can't tell me >23479939 and beyond weren't also absurd responses to effectively being dismissed with a side of snark.

>>23486391
>when you are not just easily aggravated, but you are literally attacking me in spite of the fact that you agree with me
You went at me first. Don't lie.

>I literally said because the movies were cleverly marketed at military otaku. Once again, why the chimp-out? I am well aware that Gundam essentially invented otaku culture, nowhere in any of my posts did I deny that because it was never part of the discussion.

One of your last post literally said:
>gundam is "aimed at Japanese children"

I would agree with you if you didn't say this because it is very reductive & a shallow statement to make because it dismisses the cultural context of otaku history. On top of your previous posts about gundamfags being too "mature to watch stuff like great mazinger". Which reeked of lazy, surface-level condemnation dressed up as critique.


>I posited that the reason people hate newtypes is because they are insecure ironic weebs that try to justify watching Gundam by saying it's "mature", much like how Evafags justify watching Eva by saying it's a "deconstruction" of mecha and that it's "about the characters, not the robots". These are clichés now that we make fun of but they are stereotypes of Evafags for a reason, if you ever speak to an Evafag about other robot shit they will inevitably say something along those lines. These people don't understand Gundam like you or I, that's why they come out with these knuckledragging baboon opinions.

Ok. Now i'm confused. That's not at all how i interpreted your post here: >>23452898

Fine. You make a good point. i'll just say i was wrong & totally misunderstood what you wrote. I was being a fucking dumbass. i deeply apologize for the misunderstanding on my part. I am deeply sorry. i was wrong. i was the retard. i also might have gotten you confused with another anon. i don't know & don't care anymore. Sorry.