Thread 23487542

>decide to watch Cyborg 009 thinking it's gonna be a fun action/adventure series
>every other episode is a tragic backstory followed by somebody heroically sacrificing themselves so the others can survive or run away
Nobody talks about how depressing this show is

>>23487542 (OP)
What part of Shotaro Ishinimori did you not understand? Literally all manga and anime from back then was depressing.

>>23487542 (OP)
chibi jet

>>23487542 (OP)
Tragic reluctant heroes like that were great. It's what makes it ironically uplifting once you go through it. I love this show until the last arc where they're wearing blue since it felt like the prior arc had a perfect ending.

Listen to the full theme song it's like 10 minutes long. https://youtu.be/hHLSkGrTEn0

>>23487555
This. It's Ishinomori's bread and butter. Tragic heroes who lose their humanity (or never had it in the first place) but fight for peace.

>>23487567
I love how many Jet clones there are.

>>23487581
I've never read the manga, but I've heard the 2001 show is almost shot for shot. When the manga got to that ending, it was apparently so unpopular that Ishinomori was forced to retcon it.

>>23487581
I always got the impression that the show was over after they defeated Black Ghost and the rest is just extra non canon/what-if stuff. Especially since it seems more magic/fantasy than sci-fi at the end.

In the United States, on Toonami, they nixed it from the timeslot after the Mythos arc. I never saw the rest of the show until fairly recently. That said, to fulfill my autism, 009 Vs Devilman is headcanon due to the implication of assured annihilation by the end of Devilman, seeing as how the OVA takes place just after the end of the Mythos arc. That's the Toonami canon now.

>>23487542 (OP)
You either end with Joe and Jet needlessly dying, or everybody getting slaughtered in GOD'S WAR. There's no positive end for Cyborg 009, or most Ishinomori manga.

>>23487542 (OP)
Did you know they're making a new anime next year

>>23488181
Another one?

What is this like the seventh one?

>>23487640
>>23487737
>>23488167
The deal is, the shooting star ending was kinda early in the manga run. The 2001 series went in a different route. They had that fake out defeat of Skull around episode 16 so they could focus on the stories that came AFTER the defeat of Black Ghost in the manga. These were very important stories for character development. The series wouldn’t have the same impact without them. But the 2001 series cleverly saved the original ending to the last arc in the 2001 series. What came after is indeed not-canon, it’s called Conclusion God’s War and it’s written based on notes Ishinomori left for the last arc in the manga series before he passed away. So it was basically an incomplete and never released story that got adapted just for fan service purposes. It doesn’t match the continuity of the 2001 series, it’s more of a tease of what Ishinomori was planning for the big finale. There was 2 early attempts to tell this story in the manga, both got discontinued for several reasons, but it was a hugely influential story that influenced a lot of later works such as Devilman.

>>23489604
I had no idea the shooting star ending was that early in the manga. It a great bookend to the series but I agree it would have felt too abrupt without all the other arcs the anime adapted before it.

>>23487542 (OP)
That's most retro heroes.

>>23487585
Memories of some Jet selfshipper who liked to troll these threads about him and J and is responsible for why there are dakimakuras of them floating around. Good riddance to that one but thanks for getting all Jet freaks their pillow fix.

>>23492071
Yeah Yomi was already kind of a fixfic ending for Mythos being suspended, that's why there was a cheeky injoke like Helen and her sisters looking like Helena.
2001 series decided to include both arcs but changed Helena to Artemis and gave Mythos an actual end.

>>23487640
The 2001 show is updated/modernized.
Jun Kawagoe, Shinsuke Onishi, and Naoyuki Konno's main goal was to tell Birth, Assassins, Mythos, and Yomi, and then try to slot in all the extra stories they could inbetween arcs for character development but not being beholden 1:1 to the manga stories or characterizations.
They could only manage a year-long time-slot, so they only had a select amount of stories to pick from outside the arcs along with making God's War just a "Prologue" in hopes of maybe doing its own full adaptation later down the line.
Ishinomori's son took too long to figure it out with the light novels (which Onishi co-wrote the 003 chapter for) and that and the manga wound up disappointing a lot of fans.

>>23487542 (OP)
>Nobody talks about how depressing this show is

I remember it mostly for that, and that's why it's one of my favorite childhood shows that I still come back to from time to time.

>>23487542 (OP)
Wait until you see Astro Boy or Tetsujin 28 (2004)

>>23487542 (OP)
I know, it's the best. I think I cried a little when I was a kid and saw 0013's ep
>>23499484
Did not know that. Do you have any info on other older manga adaptations at the time, like Kikaider, Atom, the Yokoyama Mitsuteru titles and the bunch of Dynamic Pro stuff we got when digital animation was beggining?

>>23500372
Giant Robo will run you pretty ragged too.

>>23487555
I think I was just too young to "get" Kikaider back in the day, I'd probably really like it now.

>>23501735
Not him but for Tetsujin 28 (2004)
>It was briefly considered to be made in cels, some test pieces went on auction lately on Yahoo
>It was in production hell since 2001 because Imagawa wanted to make basically G Gundam but with Tetsujin robots, the budget later got slashed in 2002, so there was a mandate of 3000 frames per episode to keep in budget, and Tatsuya Oishi was alleged to have kept Imagawa on a leash and demanded he write a good story "that would keep us on budget". >Namuwiki alleges Oishi was kicked out of Geneon after production wrapped up because he salvaged Imagawa's writing which caused conflicts.
>Within the industry, episodes 12-14 were written solely by other writers and storyboarded by Hideyuki Moroika. These episodes got attention with the anime industry and helped these people advance their careers.
>Earliest concept sheets from 2002 show Kenji had his original Tetsujin 28 appearance, Ryusaku always had his Sononawa 101 hairstyle from the beginning. Tatsu was redesigned to resemble a Iga no Kagemaru character. Designs had more bendier limbs but that likely got cut when the budget was slashed
>The original plan was 26 eps and a movie, this was announced as soon as the anime ended. It was going to be a omnibus format of 3 stories that would intertwine at the end but Imagawa decided to go and make it his Giant Robo Birth storyline. The stepbrother is the Zangetsu/Lin Chong character from that OVA. He ended up regretting it, and the movie's release was held back for a year despite being done by mid 2006.
>Yokoyama and his sister thought the anime was too dark and said "only hardcore fans would like it".
>The ending is based on Yokoyama's original idea for Tetsujin 28 back when he intended it as a short work where Kenji tricked Shotaro to lead the mecha into a furnace.
>Yokoyama also requested that Shotaro not use firearms.