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Anonymous No.23490492 >>23491577 >>23491587 >>23492079 >>23495781 >>23499571
Yas x Tomino interview translated
https://zeonic-republic.net/?page_id=12512

Lots of Zetarager vindication here. They admit 0079 was a complete story and Z and ZZ are inferior.
Tomino says he made ZZ to say you are stupid for wanting more Gundam.
Anonymous No.23490580 >>23490676
Where did you find this and how do I navigate Zeonic-Republic
Anonymous No.23490599
>These projects aren’t the product of a single individual’s will. You only understand them clearly in hindsight, what worked, what didn’t, but it’s not my place to judge. It’s fundamentally someone else’s work. If I try to get involved, it inevitably leads to interpersonal friction. Even though I’m credited as the original creator, I’ve consistently emphasized that Gundam didn’t come into existence by my efforts alone. It wasn’t just the names like yours or Okawara who helped me; it was everything happening around us at the time that allowed Gundam to be born.
We've heard this before, though less grudgingly this time.
Anonymous No.23490629 >>23490670
>Yas: You were always at the top, which allowed me to step away. If I’d stayed, I would’ve ended up exactly like you, trapped only working on Gundam projects. That’s why I left.
No, Yas left because Tomino was barring him from input on Zeta.
Anonymous No.23490670 >>23490689
>>23490629
Source?

>>23490550
Why does he need to when everyone knows him?
Anonymous No.23490672 >>23490693 >>23491983
>Tomino: My true interest lies in practical science, not science fiction. For me, the Gundam universe isn’t sci-fi, it’s reality, complete with inherent thematic elements. That’s precisely why Gundam has persisted for thirty years. If it had been merely “sci-fi-like,” it never would’ve become so deeply rooted in Japanese culture.
Tomino pulling the Margaret Atwood rationalization. I hope he gets drowned in a lake.
Anonymous No.23490676 >>23490695
>>23490580
Interviews tab or Bsky/Twitter. Or just search. Not that hard
Anonymous No.23490689 >>23490699
>>23490670
https://ourstarblazers.com/vault/524a/

>Interviewer: Was it easy to collaborate with [Tomino]?

>Yasuhiko: Yes, it was easy. Especially when we were working on First Gundam, I knew what he was thinking. We were like comrades in a way. But when it came to the sequel, there were various reasons, but he went in a different direction, and I couldn’t follow.

>Interviewer: When you got to Zeta Gundam (1985) and Gundam F91 (1991)?

>Yasuhiko: Yeah. Around the time of Zeta, they shut me out and said, “Don’t come again, but if you do, make an appointment first.” I was shut out. I wasn’t that kind of person. It was the Media’s fault for putting me on his shoulders.
Anonymous No.23490693
>>23490672
Way to criticize an interview that's nearly thirty years old, dumbass. Tell us how you know better than a series creator again? Sit down and shut the fuck up.
Anonymous No.23490695 >>23490720
>>23490676
I don't see the OP interview on the Interviews tab.
Also, is this really posted on Zeonicscans's Bsky/Twitter?
Anonymous No.23490699 >>23490722
>>23490689
THEY. Not Tomino. Learn to read.
Anonymous No.23490720 >>23490732
>>23490695
Literally right below the creations talk link on that tab.
Anonymous No.23490722 >>23490728
>>23490699
Oh, NOW you decide not to treat Tomino as a Great Man!
Anonymous No.23490728 >>23490737
>>23490722
Go crawl back up your mother's snatch where you belong.
Anonymous No.23490732 >>23490755
>>23490720
Okay then. Can't find that one interview about G-cucks, though.
>Link: "Gundam Ace, November 2009"
>Article: "Gundam Ace June 2009"
Anonymous No.23490737
>>23490728
Hey, all I want is for the man who committed the sarin gas attack to be executed for his crimes and ideology.
Anonymous No.23490755 >>23490789
>>23490732
Idk just search his damn site? Or go look at his social media. Idk what GQX you mean he's got like 10
Anonymous No.23490789 >>23490854
>>23490755
The one where Tsurumaki says the point of Machu's character arc is to become a mother:
https://zeonic-republic.net/?page_id=12479
Anonymous No.23490854
>>23490789
You found it so what's the issue here? Message him about updates or whatever cuz he ain't gonna see it here
Anonymous No.23491577 >>23499554
>>23490492 (OP)
>Lots of Zetarager
Who? Let that retarded nigger stay dead. Low iq ass OP.
Anonymous No.23491587
>>23490492 (OP)
This is OOOOLDDD!!
Anonymous No.23491983
>>23490672
>For me, the Gundam universe isn’t sci-fi, it’s reality
ROFLMAO FAGGOT
Anonymous No.23492015 >>23492038 >>23492083 >>23499350 >>23499412
Why tomino grabbing all credits from gundam? Why removing other important member?
Anonymous No.23492038
>>23492015
Learn to speak English.
Anonymous No.23492079 >>23499549
>>23490492 (OP)
I wanna ask Tomino his thoughts on jews; more specifically if he's gotten even more based since the 80s.
Anonymous No.23492083
>>23492015
the idea came from someone's vision.
it's like the first guy to see fire and then tried to describe that thing to his buddies.
Anonymous No.23495781 >>23499562 >>23499848
>>23490492 (OP)
0079 is a complete work but Tomino is pretty honest with his approach to Zeta. He gave the fans something different even if it couldn't beat 0079. ZZ is a obvious cash grab and everyone knows it.

Not once did he call Zeta a bad show in any remark. They talk about Yamamto being completed yet getting sequels just doing the same thing over again. This is why Tomino says this:
>Exactly. With Z and ZZ, there was zero need to inherit First. First is complete.

Then says

Yet that applied strictly within the framework of the original series. Z, ZZ, and the later series aren’t true continuations of the original. They may look like they’re running on preset tracks, but narratively, the original is self-contained. Consequently, the first Gundam became an insurmountable wall. Subsequent works could mimic the style, but as a narrative, the first series remains complete.

All this means is that the first Gundam isn't able to be beaten. So Tomino did something knew with Zeta/ZZ. Obviously the first Gundam is so classic and iconic that they can't replace it but these statements don't see intensely negative towards either shows.

Also KYS zetarager
Anonymous No.23496047 >>23499312
Why does he waste time with these stupid ass fucking interviews instead of the forty thousand projects he's behind on? Blue Destiny, AOZ, none of them have been touched in a decade.
Anonymous No.23499312 >>23499350 >>23500638 >>23500659 >>23500672
>>23496047
Why we needing these translating people who hold content hostage? AI can already doing that
Anonymous No.23499350
>>23492015
>>23499312
Learn to speak English, seamonkey.
Anonymous No.23499412
>>23492015
He's not. What are you on about?
Anonymous No.23499549 >>23499723
>>23492079
Considering how much more globalised Japan has become in the last 15 years, I doubt Tomino could say his true thoughts outloud anymore. There are too many eyes on Japan now, and way too much foreign money influencing the anime industry. He would get canceled by those with power and influence.

Tomino could get away with it in the 1980s and 1990s because it was pre-internet. Only hardcore Japanese fans would read Tomino's books and interviews.

There wasn't some White Guy in Nebraska, USA making YouTube videos and getting millions of views about topics like:

>"OMG you will not BELIEVE what TOMINO said about THIS topic!!!"


We live in a very different world.
Anonymous No.23499554
>>23491577
Jen's trying to bait you all, don't take it. Instead post about Quattro's nice fat tits.
Anonymous No.23499562 >>23499979 >>23500636 >>23501274
>>23495781
>ZZ is a obvious cash grab and everyone knows it.

IIRC, Tomino... at first...didn't even want to make ZZ Gundam. When Zeta was almost finished with production, Tomino basically was TOLD by Bandai that they were making another Gundam TV series. It was an order.

Tomino was reluctant at first, but Bandai basically threw bags of money at him promised Tomino he could make his CCA movie if he cooperated (and if ZZ sold enough gunpla). So Tomino agreed.

He wasn't even sure CCA would get approved. Tomino didn't get the funding approval for CCA until half way through ZZ's production. Originally was going to make Char come back and start a Zeon civil war with Haman.
Anonymous No.23499571 >>23500157
>>23490492 (OP)
>ZZ are inferior
>The first Gundam became an insurmountable wall. Subsequent works could only mimic the style
STRAIGHT FROM THE HORSE'S MOUTH BITCHASS NIGGA! EAT IT! ZZ IS SHITTT! IS SHITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT
Anonymous No.23499600 >>23499985
Taking anything a creator says decades after he finished something at face value is pointless. Didn't Tomino flip-flop on Victory for years until he finally said some nonsense about how muh Ukraine war or something makes it not shit now?
Anonymous No.23499723 >>23499843
>>23499549
we live in a schizoid world where you have to hold onto multiple worldviews in order to "survive": have public and private thoughts that increasingly are divergent from a common narrative/truth.
something's gonna snap: the world can't remain schizophrenic forever and eventually it'll all collapse into a hierarchical/honest order.
Anonymous No.23499843 >>23499993
>>23499723
>the world can't remain schizophrenic forever
The point of liberalism is to be schizophrenic.
Anonymous No.23499848
>>23495781
>He gave the fans something different
Zeta is trying to be more like the rest of the anime landscape of the time. How is that different.
>ZZ is a obvious cash grab and everyone knows it
Which is different from Zeta how?
Anonymous No.23499979
>>23499562
The original ZZ proposal even called it Zeta part 2
Anonymous No.23499985 >>23500048 >>23500063
>>23499600
He said he finally rewatched Victory after avoiding it for years, and that he now appreciates it more and sees why some fans say it's his best work.
Anonymous No.23499993 >>23500161
>>23499843
creates too much entropy to maintain the "centrist dialectic"
Anonymous No.23500048 >>23500065 >>23500150 >>23500160 >>23500165 >>23500289
>>23499985
>why some fans say it's his best work.
no one does this
Anonymous No.23500063
>>23499985
He said Victory was too bleak for the nineties but now people appreciate it more because of recent conflicts. Nevermind the Yugoslav wars or anything that went down in Africa during the nineties.
Anonymous No.23500065
>>23500048
It's the best Gundam sequel.
Anonymous No.23500150
>>23500048
???
Anonymous No.23500157
>>23499571
Could you make it less obvious you're specifically avoiding Zeta being spoken of in the same way?
Anonymous No.23500160
>>23500048
I do, bitch.
Anonymous No.23500161
>>23499993
What dialectic? It's herd mentality masquerading as ideology.
Anonymous No.23500165 >>23500169 >>23500170 >>23501902
>>23500048
Contrarians say it. Until people started watching it, then they started saying L-Gaim was his best work because nobody's watched that yet.
Anonymous No.23500169
>>23500165
>they started saying L-Gaim was his best work
no one does this
Anonymous No.23500170 >>23500175
>>23500165
>L-Gaim
That's the only Tomino show I couldn't finish...
It was retarded but not in a familiar, comforting Tomino way.
Anonymous No.23500175 >>23500185
>>23500170
Describe the retardation for me and how it's different from Garzey's Wing.
Anonymous No.23500185
>>23500175
Very few familiar Tominoisms. The characters just seem genuinely spontaneous. There doesn't seem to be much merit in the world building or overarching plot. I don't know if Mamoru Nagano had more pull with the writing in that show than people imply, but it feels very different from other Tomino work from around the same time.
Anonymous No.23500289
>>23500048
I consider Victory to be tied with Turn A as Tomino's best, personally. I'd rank Dunbine the same if the last third of the show didn't drag.
Anonymous No.23500636 >>23500653 >>23501274
>>23499562
No, they didn't throw bags of money at him. Sunrise didn't even think the film was going to do all that well anyway, they were actually insanely surprised it pulled in as much as it did. Also, you can't "order" someone around when they're not an employee. Tomino didn't HAVE to do anything.
Anonymous No.23500638
>>23499312
Apparently AI can't. Orange is a great example of AI fucking fail.
Anonymous No.23500653 >>23500662 >>23500721
>>23500636
>No, they didn't throw bags of money at him.
Tomino said Bandai paid him VERY well. Which only added to his depression because they wouldn't let him make any other anime projects besides Gundam. It's the "golden handcuffs" (look it up).

>Sunrise didn't even think the film was going to do all that well anyway
False. Gundam movies had done very well up to that point. The three Gundam movies had made big money for Sunrise and Bandai.

>Also, you can't "order" someone around when they're not an employee.
You can well when you have all the leverage. Tomino had a family to raise and Bandai wad the only studio that paid big money.


>Tomino didn't HAVE to do anything.
He's got a a family to raise, a nice house, private school to pair for his daughters, and so many things he needs to pay for. So no... Tomino HAS to do something and provide money for his family. They were getting the nicer things in life which isn't cheap.
Anonymous No.23500659
>>23499312
We don't, the people posting them here are shills.
Anonymous No.23500662 >>23500671 >>23501274
>>23500653
Headcanon alert.
Anonymous No.23500671
>>23500662
Read some Tomino interviews you pleb.

This thread is for /m/en.

Not /b/oys.
Anonymous No.23500672
>>23499312
AI doesn't buy the books from the Japanese bookstore and ships them from Japan to America.
Anonymous No.23500721 >>23501666
>>23500653
Sunrise didn't have that much money back then, so they couldn't pay him big bucks. He even SAYS his salary was paltry. The only money he made was on BOOK royalties, but even those sank after the original trilogy. He wasn't paid anything more than an average salaryman wage.

As for CCA not slated to do well, it comes from a translated interview:

>Oguro: After you saw Char’s Counterattack, you went to talk with Tomino, right?

>Suzuki: I did. And here’s the thing, before it opened, the consensus among Sunrise executives, the folks at Shochiku, everyone, was that it wouldn’t be a hit. I can’t recall the exact figures, but their maximum forecast was something like 400 million yen in box office. Then it opened. After the first day, the projection shot up to somewhere between 650 and 700 million. Instantly, everyone was saying, “Well, of course it’s a hit, it’s Gundam.” And Tomino was furious when he heard that.

Care to try again?
Anonymous No.23501274 >>23501380
>>23499562
>>23500636
>>23500662
Not that other anon, but they paid Tomino well enough for him to relax for 3 years and not need to worry for a whike. Like other anon mentioned, that's pretty good for someone with a family to support, a nice big house, and putting multiple kids through private school. 3 years of relief isn't so bad for a single project. Especially for living in the big city where expenses are higher.


>Q: While you were working on the Gundam franchise, was there ever a point in time that you should stop, and why did such a thought occur?

>TOMINO: Whenever one works on a series and one finishes one portion of the series or one of the series within the franchise, one always feels very drained as though you’ve expended all your energy, “Oh, I just can’t make the next one.” And yet, when 3 years go by, and you get an offer from your sponsors, you start thinking, “God, I gotta pay the bills!” (laughter and applause)
Anonymous No.23501380
>>23501274
That would've been the Zeta films so at that point he probably got kickback from film box office. That and pretty obvious that he'd get more come 2006 anyway versus 1987-1988 when making CCA.
Anonymous No.23501666 >>23501819
>>23500721
I'm not sure why you keep trying to say Tomino was just some poor salary man. He already was Director level in terms of pay.
Anonymous No.23501819 >>23501914 >>23502700
>>23501666
Because he said such. Directors don't make a fortune. They might make more now but back then they didn't. He only got 300,000 yen for selling the rights to Gundam btw.
Anonymous No.23501902
>>23500165
>L-Gaim
I finished it years ago & found the show especially the ending underwhelming. The OVA's were meh too. Cham from dunbine was awesome tho.
Anonymous No.23501914 >>23502008
>>23501819
That's not what happened.

In the 1970s, Tomino wrote the story, ideas, and concepts for Gundam in a proposal. Then sold his project proposal for Mobile Suit Gundam to Sunrise for a flat fee of 300,000 yen ($1,200 dollars).

This is Similar to the USA when a Hollywood writer sells a script to the studio. Writers in the USA get a tiny amount of royalties from each book sold, or whenever their movie airs in movie theaters or Television. Which can add up to alot of money (for one person) if it's successful. Just look at Harry Potter.

However unlike the West, Japan does not have such a system for TV or Film writers to get royalties. And Tomino did not even think of the idea to negotiate royalties when he sold the Gundam proposal to Sunrise/Bandai.

Tomino did not expect Gundam to become a multi-billion dollar franchise either. So later...Tomino tried to re-negotiate a way to get royalties, but Sunrise/Bandai absolutely flat out refused. Which is a huge as5hole move, but "legally" they aren't required to do so. Gundam makes so much money that they could give Tomino a small piece of the pie. But they won't do it. Corporations are greedy.

What Sunrise/Bandai WAS willing to do was pay him a large Director salary, and rehire him for future Gundam projects as Director. This was very good money for a Director. But this amount of money is tiny in comparison to the royalties that Tomino COULD have received from Gundam.


Because of this, Tomino has a love/hate relationship with Gundam. He enjoys the fame it brought him and the salary he got from working on Gundam TV shows and movies. But every time he works on Gundam or hears about Gunpla sales...it creats bitter resentment within Tomino as he feels he's owned at least a small portion of royalties. It eats away at him for years. Even thinking about dark thoughts of revenge (which he never carried out). Eventually Tomino had to see a therapist, which has helped a lot and has lessened his rage with time.
Anonymous No.23501934 >>23502039
It just confirms that as far as gundam is concerned, Tomino only cares about MSG and Turn A. Which is perfectly fine in my book, since everything else from Zeta to Victory was utter garbage
Anonymous No.23502008 >>23502527 >>23502700
>>23501914
No, he didn't sell the project proposal you dumb twat. He sold the entire rights to Gundam. He also was paid PEANUTS. Again, the only money he was getting was from novel writing.

>富野 実は当時の契約は30万円の原作契約の一括買い上げでした。ですから、市場の利益をじかに享受しているわけではないのですよ。

He didn't sell until after Gundam was done, not before. Christ, learn to look stuff up why else do you think Simmons translates this shit
Anonymous No.23502039
>>23501934
Zeta is still the best one. Sorry...rager.
Anonymous No.23502527 >>23502620
>>23502008
>unsourced text
>random untranslated text
>appeal to authority logical fallacy

You really have no idea what you are doing.
Anonymous No.23502620 >>23502803
>>23502527
>週刊ダイヤモンド2013年2月23日号
Cited because anon is a dumb fuck that claims otherwise
>Nothing of the sort

This board is I'm insufferable as always
Anonymous No.23502700 >>23502761 >>23502796
>>23501819
>>23502008
Your information is wrong and out of date. Fans have shared this information for over a decade now. This was posted 10 years ago.

---------------

>Interviewer: Gundam has also succeeded in spreading into games, music, model kits, and more, growing into a huge 100+ billion yen market.

>Tomino: Actually, the contract back then was a lump sum purchase of my original work for 300,000 yen. So, I don't directly benefit from royalties. However, although legally I shouldn’t have received a single yen...I have been given some cooperation fees from production companies and such. That’s all thanks to the Gundam fans, and I’m very grateful. But still, there’s this lingering resentment that has followed me for 30 years. That’s just my own bitterness.

>Yoshiyuki Tomino
>Japan Conversation Special
>February 2013

-----------------

Tomino sold his initial proposal for 300,000 yen. Instead of autistically chasing quotes, use some common sense. Tomino would have NEVER sold the rights to Gundam after the re-runs of early 1980s. He's not some idiot. Gundam was massively popular in re-runs and Tomino knew that. Why would he sell it for a mere 300,000 yen (about 1200 dollars)? Use your brain anon.
Anonymous No.23502761 >>23502796
>>23502700
Okay this makes more sense. I was wondering where this 300,000 meme came from people keep repeating. Tomino would never sell Gundam for a crazy low amount. He sold his Gundam idea in the 1970s and never got any royalties. That sucks.
Anonymous No.23502796 >>23502832
>>23502761
>>23502700

Yeah if Tomino actually sold Gundam like some people claimed then he could have sold it for millions or hundreds of millions.

This whole 300,000 yen story of him selling Gundam in the mid 1980s is total bullshit.

They bought Tomino's first Gundam proposal and gave him peanuts.

Tomino should have negotiated royalties.

That his fault though.
Anonymous No.23502803
>>23502620
>This board is I'm insufferable as always
>is I'm

Will someone please get these ESL losers off our board please?

They can't even speak English.

And now they think they can speak Japanese.

Lmao.
Anonymous No.23502832
>>23502796
>Tomino should have negotiated royalties.
If Tomino did that then gundam would have ever been made. Japan animation companies hate royalties. They treat their employees like dirt.