Thread 23503573

getter robo armageddon is so fucking boring

This bait is so fucking boring

>>23503573 (OP)
Bait made by a retarded faggot nigger.

>>23503573 (OP)
its so kino it convinced everyone into thinking the rest of the shitter robo franchise wasn't complete trash

new getter robo is better

>>23503573 (OP)
you're completely right OP
Ryoma is gone after 1 episode, and Go fucking sucks the life out of the rest of the show to the points it's unrecoverable

>>23503697
It gets saved by Kei being the de facto protagonist while Ryouma is gone and Go is acting like a retard, she only gets cucked out of piloting Getter-1 which sucks

>>23503690
>>23503573 (OP)
Trying too hard

>>23503573 (OP)
I know this is bait but I actually really don't like Armageddon much and enjoyed most of the other Getter anime more.
It had great mecha scenes but everything outside of those didn't do much for me and it is probably my least favorite Imagawa mecha project.

>>23505101
I think it best encapsulated the ideal of what Getter and its experience is (although the same could be argued about New, I like both), I'm going to assume that by least-favourite you did still slightly like it, and that it's just ranked the lowest.
>Giant Robo, Tetsujin, Shin Mazinger, G Gundam
Aside from anyone taking issue with no follow-up to Giant Robo and Shin Mazinger, these are all really heavy hitters in their own right, so I could definitely see that. I genuinely don't know how I'd rank these from 1-5 even if you held me up at gunpoint.
Giant Robo, Shin Mazinger, G Gundam, Getter, Tetsujin? But I really fucking liked Tetsujin as well. Maybe Getter > G Gundam if it was really bothersome having so many wonderful randos and being stuck in the highlands, but I guess Tetsujin doesn't pack as much punch due to it having a lovely series of anthologies that often hammered in the same point.
It's actually a happy annoyance that you worded things that way, because I have absolutely no idea how to rank Imagawa's works.

>>23503573 (OP)
I started Getter recently with this series and had no clue what was happening but I thought I was awesome. What's the direct prequel to this so I know what happened to Michiru?
Also, I didn't realize how much later mecha ripped this off (not that it didn't rip off other 90s titles)

>>23505540
There is a prequel but it was an audio drama only

>>23503697
>>23503734
Ryoma is gone after 3rd episode. Kei is the mc, and it seems that the problem with Go might be bc the series is clearly rushed and has too little episodes.

>>23505290
>>23505101
Imagawa only made 3eps, the show is not better bc of dev problems.

>>23505540
>I didn't realize how much later mecha ripped this off (
Like...what? Besides TTGL? But that's the whole getter franchise.

>>23505614
Khara Evangelion

>>23505625
Huh?

>>23505540
>What's the direct prequel to this so I know what happened to Michiru?
There's no real "prequel" to it aside from an audio drama as mentioned previously. There's an one-shot taking place during the Moon Wars (that's the event that took place before the series, a war between humans and invaders. The humans won, but the invaders infiltrated them as Cohen and Stinger) but it doesn't really explain anything or lead into the OVAs. It's just mostly an action sequence. But:
What happened to Michiru was that she was infected by invaders, realized this, and intentionally botched the combination sequence to kill herself and the invader with her; for one reason or another she never told anyone about this, leading Ryoma and Hayato to believe it was an accident and Prof. Saotome going insane and blaming it on Ryoma and Hayato. The invaders in Michiru's corpse survived and in turn infected Saotome, who asked Hayato to kill him and frame Ryoma to keep him at bay in fear he might interfere. But, the invaders resurrected Saotome's corpse and that's where the OVA plot begins.

Finally I decided to watch Getter Robo G made by Toei in the '70.
Was it published by some label? Any good subtitles around?
It seems it's a very rare series

>>23505598
If you belive in getter you shall witness kino of inhuman proportions

>>23503573 (OP)
It is cool

i know this is more of an argument thread but hurry up dreams is a cool song, but nobody really talks about it

>>23506167
What actually were the Invaders? It looked like they could just suddenly pop out of anybody and were just unstoppable blob demons. NGL, they scared the hell out of me.

>>23513140
You know John Carpenter's The Thing? Pretty much the same concept, shapeshifting aliens who can take over people's bodies. Except way more bigger and durable.

>>23513741
NTA and it's been a while since I've rewatched Armageddon, but there seemed to be an indeterminate amount of time post-infection and getting taken over, and I remember being confused about to what extent Saotome was still following his plan and staying in control vs absolutely gone towards the invaders

>>23513754
I think Saotome was semi-lucid during Armageddon, at points he's completely so, most notably when he dies; he gives some parting words to the Getter Team asking them to finish his plans and holds back the Invaders when they try to escape from his body and the exploding Getter Robo G. Lambert also appears to be lucid after Benkei's team takes him in but is taken over by the Invaders after he dies, but I wouldn't discard the possibility of them using social stealth since they also disguise themselves as puppies in New York to catch them off guard. Meanwhile Cohen and Stinger are obviously completely taken over and the ones in the Alaskan hostage situation seem to be completely lucid despite being assimilated into the Invader. They're all over the place, I wouldn't think much about it.

>>23513771
Yeah, the other ones I could sort of overlook, but Saotome and the Michiru reveal really confused me as a kid. Is it just intense amounts of willpower, the kind that comes with being a hot-blooded main cast member? I mean, it's sort of crucial to know when he's being lucid and when he's grieving and when he's like, literally possessed by aliens.

>>23513140
Armageddon has more references to Kyomu Senki* than Getter itself and there you find the aliens/invaders among other stuff.
Actually it seems Ishikawa was expanding the main Getter manga with Getter Ark, taking a similar direction of Kyomu Senki, but we'll never know for sure. It's a true pain how the animated Ark series didn't take the opportunity to go further and stopped at a crucial moment of the story.
Back to Armageddon... Imagawa had an approach like he had with Giant Robo and it was amazing. Ryoma like Shinichi Kuruma (Majuu Sensen, same manga where Stinger and Cowen are from) is brilliant, not just fanservice.
When Imagawa was out everything changed; Armageddon is still good after all, but it could have been far better.

* it must have been such a good idea that it was reused for new getter.

It's always weird reading about reception to this series and how people like the three first Imagawa episodes so much, when I honestly feel like they are an aimless mess of weird soap opera twists that contradict themselves within the three episodes themselves, but people shit on the rest of the show, which is the part I actually like.
Shin Getter actually gets to do something besides get it's tomahawk broken by Stinger and Cohen. The OVA version of Black Getter shows up and leaves a giant impression on the franchise that's still felt to this day. The soundtrack introduces those 10/10 jazzy tracks. We get more of a setting resembling the Getter Go manga. Shin Getter 2 gets to do more than it has in pretty much any other Getter media. And while the weird changes made to the Getter Go pilots are definitely a little obtuse, they still manage to feel more stable than how they handled the main cast in the pre time skip episodes.
I'm sure if Imagawa had stuck around, he could have sorted things out in a satisfying way. But as it is, I think his episodes are the weakest.

>>23506167
I never understood this twist. Even if you ignore the lack of communication not really making sense, Saotome got to see Michiru was infected by the invaders. You literally see that within the Imagawa episodes. So he should already be suspicious or clued in on to what actually happened.

It has many problems, but boring isn't one of them

>>23514149
I think in the Imagawa plot the invaders were coming from Getter energy itself, which is why they were just appearing everywhere and taking over people like Michiru and Dr.Saotome, not just aliens that eat Getter.

That explains why they were appearing everywhere and taking over people like Michiru and Saotome. Or the other failed clones unlike Gou that ended up looking monstruous. There's that whole scene with Getter energy -reversing- evolution too, point it's actually taking things to a more primal state, which ends up completely unexplained by the show afterwards since it just doesn't fit with "the invader like eating Getter energy, but are otherwise unrelated to it".

>>23514173
Getter-2 specializes in boring, so you're right

>>23506167
She never told anyone probably because she was y'know dead. Also there's no way Ryoma & Hayato would have gone along with it willingly.

I just love the invaders too much to hate this OVA. Their designs, their function as essentially a militarized version of the monster from The Thing, the way they are animated, the way they keep you guessing as to how much of their victim's psyche is still active post assimilation.
And since they literally aren't from Getter, you can't really get them out of any other Getter content.

>>23503690
leddit ass opinion

>>23514134
I agree, it deserves more credit, I really liked the introduction of Kei and the way she contrasts with the old Getter pilots who are more rugged and ruthless. Its just that Go presents this huge dead weight, he says nothing meaningful and is a completely uninteresting character and yet he keeps wasting screen time by virtue of being the Getter-1 pilot. Its like the new director had no idea what to do with him or what Imagawa had planned for him because the mystery surrounding him is resolved early on and does nothing to change him as a character. I wish they would have had the balls to just make Getter-2 the main form until so Kei got more screentime instead of sharing it with Go.

>>23509623
I believe in Getter and ATSUKU NARE is KINO
>>23513140
They're basically animal aliens that are "over-evolved" due to a lot of exposure to getter rays, so they now have the ability to feed of getter rays and evolve in real time while doing shit to do it better.
>>23514134
Based.
>>23518147
I feel like if the series was directed by both guys and had more episodes it could've been the perfect Getter Robo series with Go having character development.

amazed you idiots let this get to 46 replies

>>23505679
Rebuildslop

>>23503573 (OP)
Getter in general is boring

>>23503573 (OP)
it's overrated desu
7/10 show. OG 1974 Getter and New Getter are both better, but this one has darker tones which I appreciate but the pace is so slow.
also the first 3 episodes had better tone than the rest of the show

>>23540755
>also the first 3 episodes had better tone than the rest of the show
You guys need to take off the nostalgia goggles and rewatch this shit. The first three episodes barely even establish a tone, it's just nonstop twists and empty allusions to obtuse nonsense (Hayato's UFO!) in a desperate attempt to seem mysterious. The only cool thing is Ryoma fighting mass produced G's and yes a WAY shorter sequence than people remember.

>>23540840
>it's just nonstop twists and empty allusions to obtuse nonsense (Hayato's UFO!) in a desperate attempt to seem mysterious.
I mean, Imagawa did entire shows like that, and people love those. Armageddon had that alongside great mecha animation (while Shin Mazinger was fairly static, and Giant Robo focus a lot on non-giant robo stuff).

>>23540880
Giant Robo made complete sense out of its early allusions to mystery by the end.
In fact Saotome's rants about people abusing his discoveries in the first three episodes of Armageddon just feel lazy lifted from Giant Robo.
Shin Mazinger only really did that for a single teaser episode, the worked backwards from that.

>>23540755
That's a fairly respectable score and I'd say it matches it's reputation pretty closely.

Armageddon has my most favorite Getter designs.

However, story-wise, I like it less than New Getter and Shin vs Neo.

>>23540895
>Giant Robo made complete sense out of its early allusions to mystery by the end.
I mean, Armageddon probably would have answered (almost) everything set up in those early episodes if Imagawa hadn't left.

>>23540955
I like most of Armageddon's designs, but then you get the eyesore of Shin Dragon, which is even worse in the other forms.

>>23541266
It's just two existing designs snapped together.

>>23541266
I dunno, I kinda like this retard.

>>23541266
Filtered.

>>23541278
It's kind of funny how it manages to get the most usage out of the dragon body than either of the other forms.

Then you have Shin Liger's goofy ass.

>>23548886
I kind of like Shin Liger, reminds me of the Atragon.

>>23503690
New Getter started out good but it becomes a total slog after they time travel which I couldn't bear to finish.

>"Then came audience questions. 'Why mostly MECHA anime?' was one of the first ones asked. He didn't know. It's just what he mostly got. But it's not like he doesn't enjoy doing it, he explained. In fact, his next project, another redo of an old Mecha Manga (Getta Robo), will be out in Japan in the fall. This was indeed rugged news! When pressed for general plot or if it was going to work into the Giant Robo story somehow he came close to telling us, but shied away when he thought that his superiors might somehow find out that he told. Yow! And I thought that Mulder was paranoid.

>Imagawa spent a lot of time talking about his dismissal from the Getter Robo project, showing that is still a sore point with him. While Imagawa didn't want the details reproduced on the Internet, it's safe to say that he lost the job because he was late with the project and there was a lot of pressure to finish it on time (It should be noted that Imagawa was a couple of years late finishing Giant Robo.) Also, Imagawa hinted that, if he had stayed on Getter Robo, there would have been some obvious links between that series and Giant Robo.
Was Imagawa planning to incorporate GR into Armageddon?? Im trying to think how that would work.

>>23550497
yeah that's definitely Atragon

>>23553319
iirc Gotengo / Atragon might be the earlier instances of "thing, but cooler because we put a drill on the front of it"
the original book goes back to, I forget, 1900sish?

>>23540840
>Hayato's UFO!
pretty sure that was just him escaping in a Getter unit since it does the same sort of flight pattern Getter units often do

>>23540840
The "ufo" was Shin Getter and the tone was very clearly established to be the same as the Shin Getter manga.

>>23553709
>tone was very clearly established to be the same as the Shin Getter manga.
What? The Shin Getter manga has some shocking reveals but it want nearly as deliberately obtuse and twist heavy.

>>23553712
The established tone has virtually nothing to do with that.

>>23551902
An interview about Shin Mazinger Great I beg
But also yeah, would Giant Robo have been powered by Getter rays?
>Shin and GR-1 both have pupils
Am I looking too deep into this

>>23555750
Giant Robo being powered by nuclear energy was part of the original plot, and retconning that would take away from the original work. If I had to guess, there would have been a shared character or element between the two, like how Murasame in his Tetsujin-28 series is the same as in Giant Robo (albeit subtler, given he wouldn't have the license to any of Yokoyama's works).

>>23556888
>no getter rays
>no recurring characters
How would this mad genius have done it

>>23556895
It probably would be more of a thematic connection than anything else, though it's admittedly the less interesting approach.

I started reading getter robo to be able to see armageddon and now i just finished Arc and realized that Ken died when it was at chapter 14. The fuck do i do now...i want to know what happened to Kamui and how they destroyed Emperor. Takama surely helps him out because the future was a nightmare...the clifhangers.

>>23557949
Ok fair enough, I still like his works enough to have enjoyed even that.
>>23558287
Getter Robo Hien and some anthologies touch upon those a tiny bit, and there's also Devolution. None of which are by Ishikawa (afaik) but it's better than nothing... we can only continue speculating, and I know someone way back (backpedaling?) suggested that it was an acceptable ending, because the struggle and fight is something that goes on forever. Have you watched Armageddon yet? New Getter Robo follows some cues from the manga more closely, but I'd be interested to hear someone's thoughts on Armageddon after having finished Arc.

>>23558336
Not yet..i played srw, loved Ryoma, started watching Armageddon, said it doesn't feel right to not understand and now i read everything up to and including Arc. So i'm ready for Arma now..and then Arc. Should i go through Mazinger too? ai don't feel that attached to it though. I don't know what to say about the ancient civilization infinity machine or whatever

>>23558675
>it doesn't feel right to not understand
Aside from the premise of Getter Robo with the three pilots, professor, and daughter, there's not really much essential background knowledge you'd need for Armageddon.
>Arc (anime)
There's a few cute easter eggs or bonuses but don't expect any proper resolution or ending.
>Should i go through Mazinger too?
>I don't know what to say about the ancient civilization infinity machine or whatever
Infinity is really drawn-out in SRW whereas the movie itself is actually pretty harmless.
>Mazinger is a short OVA that captures the "feeling" of Mazinger
>Shin Mazinger is a very fun remake but with a sequel never ever
>the original Toei shows aged well but most people probably won't pick it up unless they really love Mazinger
>Infinity in turn is more rewarding having come from the Toei shows because you notice all the loving detail they put in
>Shin Mazinger Zero's a rather unique and fun manga that really appreciates Mazinger and Go Nagai's works in general
I'd say you're not obligated to watch Mazinger but you'd also be missing out if you ignored it. The barebones premise you generally only need to know is
>grampa Juuzou died giving a robot to Koji
>Sayaka pilots a helper robot and is the main professor's daughter (there's three helper professors also)
>fatass tough-guy Boss is a friend and gets his own helper bot later (so does Shiro sometimes, Koji's younger brother)
>Dr Hell has two or three lieutenants as they try to take over the world
>Z gets its shit kicked in against the ancient Greeks/Mycenae with its own cast of villains
>Great debuts, piloted by Tetsuya
>Jun pilots a helper robot, she and Tetsuya were adopted by Kenzo who's Koji's father
>they were trained to properly deal with the Mycenae, eventually Z helps too
It's not a deep show and it's iconic and simple enough that there's nothing that would really make you feel lost, but it's probably my favourite franchise nonetheless.

>>23555750
Mecha eyes with or without pupils have an inherent presence of intimidation and awe to them.

>>23558804
>It's not a deep show and it's iconic and simple enough that there's nothing that would really make you feel lost, but it's probably my favourite franchise nonetheless.
THIS. I really love getter, but there is something special about Mazinger

>>23558815
Pretty much, yeah. But holy shit BOTH of them are good
>>23562093
When in doubt, nothing beats the original!

>>23558287
Unironically the closest you'll get is Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann; Nakashima didn't have access to the Getter Robo IP, but he was Ishikawa's editor and had some idea of where he was going.

If you took the gist of the plot and translated into Getter terms, the answer would be something like Kamui and Saint Dragon reduce Earth to a wasteland and then begin creating a new race of human-Dinosaur hybrids. Small pockets of humanity manage to survive by retreating underground to the Dinosaur Empire's old hideouts, but Kamui (who has been made immortal by BUG) can't bring himself to exterminate harmless villages and mostly just allows his Gettersaurus army to harass them. Then after a few centuries some plucky villagers manage to cobble together some Getters from Gettersaurus parts, but unlike previous Getter Teams their hot-blooded "Ryoma" ends up ceding leadership to their kind-hearted "Musashi", who shakes Kamui's will and defeats him in single combat. A few years later a godlike alien who hates Getter Rays realises that the Andromeda Stellaration's last-ditch plan has failed, and decides to crash the larval Getter Emperor into Earth to destroy both at once. However the new Musashi manages to hijack it and evolve it along a different path, a Super Getter Robo that brings hope instead of ruin. They then fly off to fight the alien, with a remorseful Kamui joining them as a copilot now that he believes fate can be changed. The final shot is a recreation of the Getter Legion's introduction from Ark, revealing that they've installed a limiter on Emperor's power and are now a peaceful organisation similar to the Federation from Star Trek.

I unironically liked Armageddon more when I was less familiar with the series. The mysterious elements actually felt mysterious when I had less context, instead of just feeling like a shotgun blast of ideas to pick up on later and Imagawa re-using ideas from his Giant Robo. At the time I assumed we were seeing characters at the end of their journey being thrust into another world changing event, which made everything seem big and grand. Now I realize everyone's reactions to the two failed clones taking on the appearances of the leaders of the dinosaur and oni empires implies there was no previous encounter with either faction in this continuity. Which just leaves the previous invader attack referred to as the moon wars, which must not have been too involved considering everyone on earth still acts like they are totally unfamiliar with how the invaders work. So in theory these seemingly rugged, jaded versions of our heroes are actually relatively green.
Most importantly, before I knew better I wasn't able to get worked up at how much they screwed over Go (the manga character ) just to repurpose him into more of a plot device than a character.
That said, assuming it's not one of the janky episodes, it's probably my favorite depiction of the Getter technology in motion. Both how it depicts the mechanical aspect of the transformations as a series of independent panels shifting into one fluid shape (you also see this what the getters get danaged) and how it depicts the organic body horror in a way that I actually think does the manga justice. I also liked how the mecha are chunky/cylindrical and a little cartoonish but treated absolutely seriously and still seem scary and dangerous. The Mazinkaizer OVA captures this too, but few other series really capture that look and feel for classic Mecha.
And the in invaders in general are very cool.

Shin Mazinger was my favourite Getter Robo anime

>>23567399
Wasn't the brain bug plot actually from an Ishikawa one-off?

>>23567404
Yeah, the Kedora come from "Relic of Terror", a Mazinger one shot from Ishikawa included in the first Getter Arc volume.

>>23567399
was?
>>23550528
ehhh? yeah it got a bit weird, but its great. I love the final few episodes, amazing ending

>>23567311
>So in theory these seemingly rugged, jaded versions of our heroes are actually relatively green.
I don't think we were supposed to think too hard about the Gore and Burai cameos but this is actually a pretty interesting point. I mean, I guess even one war can fuck you up horribly, so I guess they didn't need to go through, like, three. I agree with your point about Go but it definitely wasn't as bad as me misremembering him just only screaming constantly from when I watched it as a kid.

>>23567733
Not that anon, but the problem with Armageddon Go is that he's Go in name only. Doing that with some minor character like Kei is fine, but Go is a protagonist. It's freaking weird to do that to him.

>>23567777
Yeah, having read the manga after, it was a bit of a shame. Armageddon Go is still pretty reliable and he still is a friend (and I can't not think about him just walking into the Bettermen dimension in SRW 30) but yeah, he's a completely different friend

>>23563992
>>23562093
One thing that makes Mazinger stand out to me conceptually despite Nagai mostly using Z as a "fun/non-serious" work to help himself deal with the pressure of working on Devilman at the time is the God or Devil idea. It's like a grander, heavier way of saying "with great power comes great responsibility" or choosing between being a hero to protect or being a villain to destroy.

>>23567817
This, except it doesn't come up as an extremely heavy thing in the actual Mazinger Z works, which is a bit of a shame

>>23567311
The invaders are from another ishikawa manga

>>23558287
It's not any real sort of closure but Ken Ishikawa did a post-Arc interview sometime before his death and basically says that the future in Arc is a "bad end" where Getter has evolved without human will so presumably Takuma or someone else changes the future to a good end

for me its Ima Ga Sono Toki Da