Thread 23510777

What can they do to save the franchise?

>>23510777 (OP)
make gvg actually accesible

>>23510777 (OP)
Cater to more fujoshis.

Defo a more reliable fanbase than the "anti-woke" that cries "Gundam is dead" every time a woman protagonist is front & center.

How about an AU where char and amuro kiss?

>>23510819
Sorry, best we can do is an AU where they held hands.

>>23510832
I don't even remember who the guy on the left is, X is so forgettable.

More G Gundam
More wuxia with giant robots

>>23510777 (OP)
Just make something like Emir Kusturica's Underground with Gundams right down to the Balkan brass band (or in-universe equivalent) doubling as a Greek Chorus.

>>23510840
Lancerow's one of the biggest victims of X's cut-down episode count but I thought he pretty good with what little he had.

>Three of Gundam's highest grossing films ever are from this decade.
>Gquuuuuux and WFM proven to be successful shows.
>Bandai experiencing record profits.
Are you retarded OP?

>>23510859
creatively bankrupt and financially bankrupt are not the same thing anon

>>23510777 (OP)
>Gundam is now creatively bankrupt
Care to elaborate OP? Because...
>>23510790
Gundam is still pretty creative than ever before....

>>23510777 (OP)
>save the franchise
give me an older kamille AU of a doctor working on the frontlines with newtypes

>>23510790
>Tomino said female fans
>already narrow down to fujoshit
Grim, would fujos even care if new Gundam show is really joseimuke (not only gay shit)?

>>23510777 (OP)
Have the younger generation make it. Not old men like Tomino and Anno.

>>23510777 (OP)
>now

>>23510866
>creatively bankrupt
that's the matter of individual's opinion.
It's doing financially well to not need any 'saving'.

>>23510927
Can gen z having original thinking?

>>23510859
>Three of Gundam's highest grossing films ever are from this decade.
Well I would fucking hope so since this decade alone has a 25% inflation rate.

You know how I know Gundam isn't creatively bankrupt? Because they haven't made a Build Fighters series or some shit where Amuro's son is the MC.

>>23510790
But Gundam was nurtured by plamo enthusiasts. Gundam almost got cancelled. Bandai releasing plamo at the tail end of the show is what made it popular

>>23511472
Can you learn English before posting?

>>23510777 (OP)
Get your fat ass back to Twitter, Ollie. Maybe you can contact your "insiders" and push for a "fresh team" to helm Gundam.

>>23510777 (OP)
Put Kamille on estrogen.

>>23511494
No, it isn't. Tomino has said time and again, it wasn't the Gunpla enthusiasts that saved Gundam, it was women.

Wait for the Unicorn sequel that brings all AU MCs together to beat the big bad Char megaclone. Then we can permanently bury Gundam.

>>23510859
>Gquuuuuux and WFM proven to be successful shows.
and zero post launch activity... even ibo had a lot after it ended, and it just got another side pv recently

>>23511695
Honestly? That's just how media is these days. Consume product and move on to next hype product. Remember when movies weren't straight to home video in like two weeks? Everybody needs the next quarter profit report that nothing has time to breathe unless its K-Pop Demon Hunters.

>>23511695
WFM has Vanadis Heart, so saying it had nothing isn't quite right (it also had the novelization).

>>23511709
>That's just how media is these days
That's how it's meant to be. One-and-done, just like all those other Sunrise robot shows from the '80s and '90s that just came, did their thing, and ended

>>23511695
WFM has a high school manga spin-off (a high school AU about a high school AU)
Gquacks has absolutely nothing on the other hand.

>>23511695
I think that has more to do with Bandai's incompetence in handling stuff over the past few years. GQ didn't get a single 1/100 scale kit, and WfM still only has the one of original Aerial.
I think they've been spreading themselves too thin to the detriment of everything.
If there's a real enemy here it's the same one it always has been, Bandai's corporate incompetence despite regularly hiring incredibly talented people and asking them to do broadly the right things.
>>23511714
There's also that AU webcomic they announced, and it just debuted in SRW. So it's not nothing, though less than usual.

>>23511754
I think it's less of that and more of "finally" catching up post-pandemic shitstorm. They're not going to be able to maintain the growth momentum. GQX likely won't get 1/100 line. Ikuto said something about the kits being impossible to produce and being shocked that they were able to happen at all at the 1/144 scale.

A series where Jovians are the good guys and fight to end the pointless Earth sphere civil war cycle... by instituting space communism and executing the heads of their in-universe Anaheim electronics and Earth sphere political and religious leaders

alternatively Tenchi muyo x Gundam

>>23512062
Yeah that's probably true too. I maintain that Seed Freedom finally coming out when it did was kind of an albatross around their neck. Obviously when that long-tortured project finally came together they wanted to get it out the door without delay and it made a bunch of money, but I think getting the hype cycle and tie-in HGs and everything out the door alongside it was probably too much stress on an already fragile post-covid supply chain. Complaining about the lacking 1/100 selection aside I think WfM was the last time things seemed to be working normally. Freedom had stuff like the Z'gock take forever and the additional addon set to go with it take even longer again somehow, that CG show had a pitiful line despite being a big push for western eyes, and you know the rest.
Not sure about worldwide but the supply situation here in Australia at least has been absolutely horrendous, too. Way worse than at the actual peak of global shipping disruptions.

>>23510777 (OP)
>Creative bankruptcy
Go back to making interesting shows about war instead of space lesbians and kawaii egirl bullshit.
New MS designs would help a lot. Take inspiration from western Mecha and gookify it, make it cooler and better

>>23510777 (OP)
Make another series about war instead of LGBTbait.

>>23511709
>That's just how media is these days. Consume product and move on to next hype product.
Disgusting.

>>23511494
Stop listening to the propaganda of the suit wearing higher ups. They were never on the front lines.

>>23511729
Except for manga published in shonen magazines existed to last forever to pull in cash.
>City hunter, DB, Ranma 1/2 etc

>>23512840
>Take inspiration from western Mec

Nope. Fuck that shit.

More lesbians.

>>23513062
>And gookify it

You missed that part.
There is a resurgence in interest in battletech in the west. Some MS with hardpoints and a more grunt aesthetic would sell well.

>>23513049
This has been debunked.

>>23513105
>This has been debunked
Source please?

>>23513202
>>>/wsr/

>>23510777 (OP)
They should try fantasy mecha like Dunbine or Escaflowne

>>23513246
So its never been "debunked". Gotcha.

>>23510777 (OP)
Japanese Gundam fans need to rise up against Bandai.

>>23510841
I fucking want most stereotypical over the top wuxia Gundam series, with Qi harvesting and harems

>>23513246
I could only get vids of your mom being a whore in there...

>>23513267
this is a good idea my take on it would be something like God Mazinger, with armies made out of stone mobile suits, maybe eveb yie in the Adesca from Turn A Gundam. or just do the Turn A sequel, it seems interesting as fuck https://tsukinomayu.com/2024/04/09/the-legacies-of-the-turn-a-gundam-sequels-that-never-came-to-fruition/

>>23511574
Tomino isn't the authority on whether or not the show was a commercial success. He was a harebrained creative who even tried to sabotage the marketability of some of his shows

>>23513049
You're only proving my point. Tomino didn't care about the show's success and arguably even tried to sabotage it. The producers, sponsors, and TV channels cared about Gundam succeeding. Shows don't get re-aired just because some fangirls showed up at the studio. They saw it was starting to make money and pushed for re-airings. The reality is that model kits were what saved Gundam when it was objectively a failure during its initial airing and even got cut by 9 episodes.

>>23511494
>Gundam almost got cancelled. Bandai releasing plamo at the tail end of the show is what made it popular
You've got your timeline a bit confused, Bandai got the license right at the end of the original broadcast (they finalised the deal in December 1979, and the show ended in Jan '80), but it was a few months before they were able to get any products out. The first release wasn't until July 1980, some 6mo after the end of the series. They came in too late to keep the show on air for its planned 52 week run, but did catch the increasing interest spread by word-of-mouth during repeat broadcasts
Although, there was already a decent contingent of scale modellers who were into Gundam even before any official kits came out, with scratch-built stuff popping up in Hobby Japan magazine since at least March 1980, built by guys like Katsumi Kawaguchi and Akito Iwase

>>23513267
I think they should too. Especially if they really commit to a really regal aesthetic. Lots of capes and gold trim. Like the custom Leos that OZ Prize uses, but really amplified. Gundam really needs another big shakeup.

>>23513087
>There is a resurgence in interest in battletech in the west.
So what? All they want is regurgitations of 80s Japanese mecha that they never fully understood in the first place.

>>23514116
>>23514136
Tomino didn't sabotage anything, ffs. Plan was always to make something that could later be marketed as a film to ride the trend started by Yamato. In fact, he was the one who negotiated for a film trilogy, by asking for one film first and then signing two more after the successful release (That's why first film does not have a roman numerical in its title, but SoS and EiS does). He gave the famous speech for New Anime Century three weeks before first film was released. There are recordings and press conferences of him marketing the films.

>>23514136
>You're only proving my point. Tomino didn't care about the show's success and arguably even tried to sabotage it.
That's not true unless you're referring to V Gundam situation

>>23514337
This

>>23510777 (OP)
tell a war drama that uses giant robots as plot device to let individual characters shine and provide duels between characters where they can talk about their philosophies or human conflict

>>23510777 (OP)
He did it before, he'll do it again
All roads lead back to Imagawa

>>23514400
Uhhhhh don't most Gundam already doing this?

>>23514292
>So what
This is an untapped audience. If you show a battletech fan a Zaku, they think it looks sick as fuck.
Show them the mass production gun cannon and they nut.
All I'm saying is there is an untapped market for more militaristic looking robot toys in the west. The shows are functionally toy commercials. Write a newer better 08th, put it in a very militarized AU with lots of cool grunt suits with hardpoints, lean into the army jargon a bunch, PROFIT

>>23514400
THAT'S LITERALLY ALL GUNDAM ANIME. Are you shit posting?

>>23514962
Not that anon, but the last 3 main Gundam series didn't do that.

>>23514925
We have Obsolete already.
>All I'm saying is there is an untapped market for more militaristic looking robot toys in the west.

That's not a mecha anime issue that's a west issue as the west anime fandom hate mecha. They're not interested.

>The shows are functionally toy commercials. Write a newer better 08th, put it in a very militarized AU with lots of cool grunt suits with hardpoints, lean into the army jargon a bunch, PROFIT
Go back. We already have all this. Mecha isn't understood or cared for in the west.

>>23514970
Are you sure about that?

I hate that all modern mecha is just Gundam.
>inb4 synduality noir
>inb4 bravern
They were ages ago.

>>23510777 (OP)
how about an AU that's the OYW but written from the perspective of 2020s geopolitics?

Gundam license should be giving back to Fukuda Mitsuo for bringing maximum sales values and he can creating amazing stories that can do that

>The shows are functionally toy commercials

Wrong. Kys.

>>23515608
"Hello Fukuda, I am Mr Bandai and I would like to give you all rights to Gundam"

Make some good video games that aren't complete garbage and monetized to hell and back. Translate them and do quality ports for all the popular platforms.

>>23515833
>Be sunrise in the 80s
>Have 0 interest in space autism
>Try to monetize it with toys and model kits as a last ditch effort to make your money back
>Exceed all expectations and make a fuck load of money
>Go to tomino and say we need a new space autism but with more robots so we can sell toys
>TheMoneyMakesItself.jpg
Plastic crack is the only reason we have Gundam, anon. Bow down to the ball joint and plastic glue, your special interest simply wouldn't exist without model builders.

>>23517136
Nice goal post. You
said
>The shows are functionally toy commercials
Which is intellectually dishonest to say because that would be you ignoring historical context in favor of reductive westernized revisionist history. The storytelling of the shows themselves are not "functionally toy commercials" which your first post seems to imply.

>Plastic crack is the only reason we have Gundam, anon. Bow down to the ball joint and plastic glue, your special interest simply wouldn't exist without model builders.

>Be Tomino
>Have 0 interest in plamodel autism

Don't get it twisted you woman hating fag. It was women & tomino that saved gundam not money hungry sunrise and the low eq plamodel autism filled nerds.

>Muh it was tha TOYS!! that SAVED gundam!

You better recognize that women keep the beating heart of everything pumping. Learn some fucking respect. Don't you dare down play or undercut women's influence on this franchise. You model building loving swine. Shut up.

>>23510777 (OP)
Just do a isekai gundam where a feddie and a zeek get dragged to a medieval world and have to ducttape their mobile suits somehow to survive the giant monstrosities that humans can basically just flee from.

I posted 3 times. I was having too much fun.
But seriously...the plamodel element is one puzzle to gundam's success.

>>23518347
Women saved Gundam. But it wasn't fangirls writing slashfics, it was mothers buying model kits for their middle-schooler kids.

>>23519211
Shut.Up.ANON.ILOVEYOU!

>>23517136
>>Try to monetize it with toys and model kits as a last ditch effort to make your money back
Pretty sure that the original company that had the license to Mobile Suit Gundam was Clover, and that Bandai picked it up after the show had ended, probably knowing that Gundam's actual audience was older than what Clover had anticipated.

>>23519211
Don't reply to the tranny, he had a meltdown.

>>23510777 (OP)
I don't know where to post this but I just finished Episode 3 of The Origin. man, this series insanely good. I really like char being a cold master manipulator.
I didn't like the original Gundam so much since it's too much of a generic good vs bad, but Origin is really good so far. they should make a full adaptation.

>>23520695
unadapted portion is the same 'generic' story, retard.

>>23510777 (OP)
Change OYW to One Century/Millenial Year War with tech stagnation so UCfags can have all the Zeon and Fed MS/Ship variants they can dream of

>>23510777 (OP)
Cater it more to females. They are always the saviours of this franchise when the numbers are down.

Have female staff handle everything. Female director, female mecha designers, female character designers, female animators, and even have females be in charge of the toys.

Gundam needs to add Gnostic themes and antisemitism

>>23520672

Those posts annoy you enough to imagine me as a tranny? Actual coping.

>>23521091
it already does & always had?

>>23510777 (OP)
>What can they do to save the franchise?

Animate the rest of Origin

Work faster on the Hathaway movies

release more Thunderbolt

>>23510777 (OP)
Make more edgy entries like 00

>>23510777 (OP)
Action scenes every episode. This is why IBO and G-Witch failed when G-Quacks Gunduck succeeded. You need action in your action shows. Also stop doing UC when the Hathaway's Cash movies are over. Don't even bother with a Crossbone adaption, that manga was so bad I never read another manga after that.

>>23510777 (OP)
Gundam but the war is inspired by modern western identity politics and the protag is a fence sitting faction

Live action movie

>>23524378
Kill yourself drool.

FT adaptation

>>23524378
>You need action in your action shows. Also stop doing UC when the Hathaway's Cash movies are over. Don't even bother with a Crossbone adaption, that manga was so bad I never read another manga after that.
You are retarded & wrong.

>>23512350
I would also enjoy Tenchi Muyo x Gundam

>>23510777 (OP)
Bring back Tomino again.

Make an eroge produced by Nitroplus

>>23514063
A fantasy Gundam should have a design inspired by Daimajin

>>23511492
They already did, it's called Victory Gundam but instead of Amuro it's Char's grandson.

>>23510777 (OP)
Mother-son incest

Turn mobile suits as power suits/exoskeleton suits

>>23524378
Gcucks didnt succeed tho

>>23529326
would watch

>>23529342
Um ackshually, sweetheart.>>23446006

>>23529304
Denied by Tomino himself (though producers aanted it)

>>23510927
>Have the younger generation make it.
that's how we ended up with Bitch from Mercury

>>23510777 (OP)
Gundam mechanic chronicles. MC, and the viewer with them, knows there is a war, he is fixing the fucking robots, but you don't really get to see it directly. You see other maintenance crew, you see GMs come in with half of the GM missing and wonder how the fuck a torso with one and a half legs manages to auto-balance, you see them miss out on celebratory chocolate because it got lost in the logistics hell, but otherwise it's just a comfy blue collar slice-of-life.

>>23529687
Sora no Woto was 15 years ago.

>>23511612
I hate Unicorn, but I find it kinda funny the main bad guy is a literal char clone.
Also he rocks the mullet really well, but that's beside the point.

>>23510777 (OP)
I was going to make a joking post about how it should be the MC IS the Gundam, as an AI who also has a separate moeblob high school girl body with a crush on the Char clone
And then I realized I basically described Witch.
It truly is ogre

>>23516801
This, I don't know what the problem is these days. 00 got like two or three games back in the day, now what few we get once every seven years that aren't complete dogshit are either buildshit or SDs.

>>23529857
>Sony has retarded must-have-dub rule
>20 Gundam games are made a year, we get maybe 1 or 2
>Sony gets rid of rule, Japan starts releasing games with built in English subtitles
>suddenly only 1 Gundam game gets made a year, if that
It was supposed to be our time...

>>23510777 (OP)
Toyotaro will save it

it's so interesting to me that if you treat people like adults they usually make the adult decisions

>>23510777 (OP)
More Cosmic Era