Thread 23532104

If you put a Gundam's head on a grunt suit, is it a Gundam?

>>23532104 (OP)
Worker for Ground Gundam (GM head) and Zeta Gundam (Zaku head)

>>23532104 (OP)
Not really, see the M1 Astray and Murasame.

>>23532127
I meant, the original identity of the body is the main identity

>Some v symbol on its head
>It's a prototype, or one of a kind mobile suit with a mass produced equivalent

There, solved it.

>>23532104 (OP)
If Banrise explicitly says it's a Gundam (within and/or outside the source material), then it's a Gundam.

>>23532130
tell that to them trans-am people and they'll call you a bigat

>>23532104 (OP)
No, but if you put the word Gundam on the model kit box it is.

>>23532150
This.

>>23532104 (OP)
I love the setting of Gundam. I love most of the lore of UC Gundam. I love the designs of the grunt suits, mobile armors, tanks, and spacecraft of Gundam. But I hate Gundams themselves. I don't like their stupid samurai faces.

>>23532114
A little bit, yes
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>>23532104 (OP)
No. A gundam needs to a prototype or high performance MS that practically redefines a thing about warfare. Lets take the RX-78 for an example. Its the feddies first MS, it has a learning computer + a beam rifle, can re enter the atmosphere, etc. This combination of factors is basically what makes it a traditional gundam.

The ground gundams, despite the name, are basically just Ground GM's with gundam heads. You could say the Mk 2 is not a gundam by this definition, but the moveable frame is a core technology of every mobile suit going forward in UC. Hell theres a bunch of suits in UC that are actually just grunts with gundam heads on them purely for psychological reasons, the biggest example being some random GM2 with one in a manga somewhere.

The biggets example of this are the Astrays. The M1 Astray is not a gundam, despite having a gundam head, cause its just a grunt with a gundam head on it. But the Red Frame is a gundam, because its a prototype. Same with the blue destiny, its technically a gundam cause of EXAM. Thats how it works in universe anyway, most of the time.

In reality its just like this >>23532150

>>23532380
If you don't love the MK2 you might as well just go to hell now and save yourself time.

If it's called a Gundam, then it's a Gundam.

>>23532472
I don't hate the body shape, I just don't like the samurai face and V-fins. I'd like UC Gundams themselves a lot more if they all ad GM heads

>>23532455
>A gundam needs to a prototype or high performance MS that practically redefines a thing about warfare
I'm pretty sure there are plenty of gundams that don't do anything new and are just generically high performance

e.g., F91 is just a high spec model, it doesn't do anything new. all the tech on it is a refined version from a previous gundam. same with the victory 1, and arguably the V2.

>>23532104 (OP)
>put a fake Gundam head on a regular GM for psychological warfare
That 's my favourite GM

>>23532104 (OP)
What does "Gundam" mean?
That's the question you should be asking.

>>23532380
Agreed. Zeta and its variants usually look better because they tone down the "face"

>>23532676
Heroic symbol of the Federation. Even in V Gundam the Gundam face alluded to the legend.

In GQX, it was a symbol of Zeon as the public strongly associated Gundam as a Zeon MS and did not know that it was captured.

>>23532455
In Kondo Kazuhisa's non canon works, Gundam Mk2 B(land type) was mass produced as commander machines in UC 0092. It reflects how in video games where you could mass produce anything, the hero Gundams from anime are just high performance machine choices.

>>23533896
In other times, Gundams were known as allies of the underdogs, including fighting against the Federation. E.g., AEUG's Gundam Team. It's part of why some Zanscare pilots complained about the Gundam being used by their enemies, and why Chronicle at one point tells his allies not to recognize it as an legitimate Gundam.

>>23533925
Excellent piece of evidence. I was rewatching V Gundam recently in light of the KO 1/100 Shokew. The Victory Gundam wasn't very powerful but it had the Gundam symbol. Great use of terrain and modular spare parts tactics. Less plot armor as this facilitated the protagonist to take a lot of damage. Still my favourite UC to date especially the mention of the Gundam legend after 73 years within UC.

Funny how, Gyunei calls Hi Nu Gundam Gundam modoki just like the Re Gz. He still wanted Amuro to abandon his machine when he took Kyara hostage.

>>23532114
doesn't Fiat own farrari?
>>23532144
in 08th MS team there were multiple gundam units, though not enough to consider them mass produced

>>23532104 (OP)
A Gundam is a special Zaku

>>23533948
Yeah, Victory is quite entertaining with its fights. I believe that was the same fight where Uso attacks in "reverse"

>Funny how, Gyunei calls Hi Nu Gundam Gundam modoki just like the Re Gz. He still wanted Amuro to abandon his machine when he took Kyara hostage.
The scene was pretty interesting - Gyunei also manages to accidentally form a connection and tap into the Hi-Nu's psycoframe just enough to hear snippets of Kayra's conversation with Amuro... only to realize it's because this psycoframe was salvaged from Gyunei's previous unit that was abandoned earlier.

>>23532586
Eh, sure the Bio Computer is using a bio sensor but the SPE thing is a whole different thing. F91's a bad example. A better one'd probably be somethin like the Pixy.

I'm a gundam!

>>23532104 (OP)
I'd argue a gundam is the master mold that mass produced machines are later based off. They tend to be unique or limited run with higher specs that make massive production as-is not cost effective.

>>23532104 (OP)
>What is a Gundam?

>>23532104 (OP)
there are real gundams and there are """gundams"""

whatever marketing slaps on the model kit box.

>>23532455
>The M1 Astray is not a gundam
Yes it is, SEED's classification of a gundam based solely on the is based on the operating system a suit is running on rather than the suits actual performance specs or build. Just about everything SEED is a technically a gundam even the Zakus and Goufs, they use G.U.N.D.A.M operating systems too. And if want to talk about GMs not being gundams. GM standards for "Gundam Massproduced." The entire point of GMs is for them to be gundams, able to be manufactured as "standard issue".

>>23532130
tell that to the Moon Gundam

>>23532104 (OP)
If banmco calls it one it is one.

>>23532380
Then you're kinda dumb because the gundam face variety is huge.

>>23535277
Doesn't SEED use GUNDAM as an acronym for like six separate weapons systems?

>>23537853
Yes, but they're all ultimately based on the original G-Project suits.

It's made from Gundamium

>>23532380
>>23532561
This guy booed during the Unicorn transformation sequences.

>>23538872
that guy hasn't seen unicorn yet

>>23532104 (OP)
Whatever Sunrise says is or isn't. That is literally the only consistent classification.

>>23538398
This.

>>23538398
>>23545252
Ore wa Gundamns

>>23532104 (OP)
If a character whispers "Gundam" when seeing it appear at any point, then its a Gundam.

>>23538398
Gundam mk.II
>>23532561
understandable

>>23535277
I wish SEED never happened.

>>23547125
That's what your mom said.

>>23532114
it's all wop wop spaghetti spaghetti to me

>>23537186
It's wide only when you include fringe cases and not look at the median Gundam face.

NTA, not hating Gundam faces

>>23545305
to be honest, they are basically tallgeese but looks different

>>23549266
Blue Tallgeese was my favorite in that one SNES game.

>>23535224
Why can't Darksydephill leave my brain alone

>>23549460
who

>>23549266
They're made of Gundamium.....and are way better than their user's old Gundams: Wing and Heavyarms.

I always figured it was about the high specs that allowed for one to be considered a 'Gundam'

>>23532104 (OP)
What if you put the head of a grunt suit on the body of a Gundam?

>>23554941
who's the green boy?

It's a Gundam if I say so! All of the MS in this thread are Gundams!

>>23548788
Literally indistinguishable, somebody help

>>23532104 (OP)
It's crazy thanks to all the One Year War spinoffs shows that the Federation went from producing one Gundam prototype to having dozens of Gundams during the War.

It's ridiculous.

>>23563903
I'm glad that Zeta was the very first ground-up hero suit design after the original, it gave people a lot of room for what could and couldn't be 'Gundam-y' right off the bat.

>>23563899
ASW-G-11 Gundam Gusion

>>23532150
Apparently not, the Re-GZ (REfined Gundam Zeta) is somehow not a Gundam despite it being in the name

>>23533972
>doesn't Fiat own farrari?
Not any more, they spun off from Fiat in 2016

>>23564432
you might as well complain the GM is not a Gundam since it's an abbreviation

>>23565206
The GM is said to either stand for "General Mobile-suit" or "Gundam Modoki (Gundam Lookalike"
Neither refer directly to the suit as BEING a Gundam, while the Re-GZ does

>>23565209
wtf isn't it the same thing for the regz, it's called the "refined" version, it's not the zeta gundam itself

I mean you could argue the same thing about other suits like the Z II or the zeta plus models, those machines are the 2nd iteration and the plus version of the zeta gundam but neither of those are considered gundams either. regz itself even came from the zeta plus project

It definitely changes depending on the universe/timeline. Some like Wing and 00 have pretty hard coded (for the most part) definitions of what a Gundam is, but for the main timeline and some others it's basically impossible trying to come up with a foolproof rule other than 'It's a Gundam if it's called a Gundam'.

Behold! A Gundam!

The RX-78 was already obsolete by the last third of the show. Amuro is the important one. They called it Gundam MK II and made a big deal about securing a copy but it isn't even a relevant mobile suit when it's introduced. Meanwhile Zeta has completely different designer and design basis. Psycho Gundam shares more in common with Zeong than it does the original Gundam. And what the fuck is up with Dijeh/Hyakku Shiki? In other words who fucking cares?

It's a Gundam if you call it a Gundam and it's not if you don't call it one, being a Gundam isn't special.

>>23566076
>Meanwhile Zeta has completely different designer and design basis.

In the show, the Zeta's design is said to be based on the MkII and Rick Dias. But, yeah, Bandai basically completely disregards anything said about the Zeta's development in the tv series in later material, to the point you might find yourself asking if the show is really canon.