Thread 23560622

how many "deconstruction of super robot" series are there?

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>>23560622 (OP)
I've seen so many arguements and shitposts about deconstructions and I still don't know what the fuck a deconstruction is.

>>23560622 (OP)
>I still don't know what the fuck a deconstruction is
It's the opposite of an erection.

>>23560657
Deconstruction is what assholes call whatever juvenile crap they like mixed with cynicism and/or self awareness because they're embarrassed about their hobby.

>>23560665
Jacques Derrida is like an actual guy who wrote papers.

Its stripping an idea or a story down to its bare essentials, and then asking yourself how much of these bare essentials can you change or rearrange before you lose the core identity of the idea.

/m/ has been REALLY dumb lately.

>>23560678
That's not how it's used in modern parlance and even if it was you couldn't prove that definition of the idea was behind literally any /m/ work

>>23560689
Evangelion deconstructs the mecha genere when they ask what if the giant robots weren't mechanical at all. It is breaking down a core premise of the genre and asking yourself without this can we still make a mecha show.

Shinji getting into the robot and then not acting heroic and his conflicts with his father is breaking down and rebuilding a lot of Amuro's character arc imo.

>https://fiveable.me/key-terms/introduction-to-film-theory/deconstruction-of-genre-tropes
That is a kinda okay intro to genre deconstruction. I get why people assume deconstructions are usually cynical, because post-modernism is usually associated with cynicism for some reason, but you can make a sincere deconstruction of something. A good deconstruction usually done out of love for the genre they are trying to examine.

>>23560701
>Evangelion deconstructs the mecha genere when they ask what if the giant robots weren't mechanical at all.

The robot in Astroganger isn’t mechanical either. He even merges with his little boy buddy.

>>23560716
I never watched it but that seems to be a super robot show, played straight, and not post-modern. Evangelion is a post-modern show and the fact that the robot is actually his mother and that isnt revealed until later is like the entire crux of the story.

>>23560701
>Evangelion deconstructs the mecha genere when they ask what if the giant robots weren't mechanical at all.
>at all

Robocop/androids are still partly mechanical. Anno was just inspired by Ultraman, Thunderbirds, UFO, Gundam and more. Nothing was broken down and built up or whatever.

>Shinji getting into the robot and then not acting heroic and his conflicts with his father is breaking down and rebuilding a lot of Amuro's character arc imo.

Again its just inspired and his own take on Amuro and probably a bunch of other stuff.

It's like saying pineapples on pizza deconstruction of pizza. No its just a weird take on pizza. It was built upon preexisting works like we have seen since human history and probably even before recorded history.

>>23560728
>evangelion the postmodern mecha anime

IM YIIKING OUT RIGHT NOW

>>23560731
>It's like saying pineapples on pizza deconstruction of pizza.
No, you're not getting it. Its like saying we have cheese, dough, and sauce, if we take away or rearrange or replace any of these things, then is it still a pizza.

Like this shit isnt easy to understand and I am probably not explaining it as great as I can I swear I am just bored on a Friday night.

>>23560701
>>23560728
Shut the fuck up gorilla nigger and go back to twitter.

>>23560701
>It is breaking down a core premise of the genre
Mecha isn't even a genre to begin with. There's no "premise," it's simply indicates the presence of something mechanical in a story

>>23560734
Then Gundam is a deconstruction of super robots. This word is fucking stupid and doesnt make good discussions lol

Nadesico is the only mecha deconstruction series.

>>23560678
And that obvious definition applies to any /m/ media how?

>>23560701
Well...this is not true. Nice job retard. Enjoy your dog pile.

I guess its safe to say...zetarager is back? or jenny? There's a good number of new shitpost bait threads at the same time running together. With one retard arguing with folks about zeta gundam/gundam and an evatard calling it a deconstruction. Wasn't like this a week ago right? I see a pattern.

>>23561262
>Gundam is a deconstruction of super robots
Now you're getting it

>>23560728
>I never watched it
Yeah we know you Evangelion dipshits don't watch half the shit you claim the show is deconstructing or any Anno's influences. You wouldn't last 10 minutes trying to watch Sayonara Jupiter.

>>23560701
Congratulations, you proved >>23560665 right.

>>23560657
Deconstruction means a critical analysis of a work minus context and how much context you can remove before the work loses its inherent meaning, but stupids have co-opted the term to mean, "Anything that points out that this genre does this thing a lot."

Madoka is a deconstruction of magical girl.
Akibaranger is a deconstruction of sentai.
Evangelion is a deconstruction of super robot/Ultraman.

They actually aren't, but that's what stupids say they are.

>>23561390
Yeah, dude, lets call Jacques Derrida a fucking idiot instead of trying to interpret what he meant.

I can't stand that people think all post-modernism is just edgy made up bullshit instead of admitting that they themselves might be ignorant about something.

Post modernism is the disintegration of culture. Deculture if you will.

>>23561463
but is it gorgeous? delicious?

>>23561463
Post-modernism serves to only destroy the believes our forefathers told us that hard work equals truth. Now, you can just spew whatever the fuck "deconstruction" means because you believe what you say is correct without referring to what it actually mean.

Pick your poison

>>23560701
>Evangelion deconstructs the mecha genere when they ask what if the giant robots weren't mechanical at all.
mazinger literally fights cyborgs made out of ancient creatures

Jacques Derrida was a fucking idiot

>>23561295
Probably. The second also has some buddies she uses to troll along with her and report anyone calling attention to it, so watch your words.

>>23560709
>Jerid
>chad

>>23561262
>Then Gundam is a deconstruction of super robots
It is.

>>>23561762
>Symposium by Plato
>The Twilight Trilogy
>Fucking Girls by Lena Dunham
Top kek and whatnot to you good sir

>>23560622 (OP)
One. The fact it was overlooked is the true shame.

>>23560657
>>23560622 (OP)
For real, the more I watch/ read / delve deeper into a thing, the more I don't think 'deconstruction' as pop culture puts it is actually a thing at all. At the end of the day, trends/ ideas are cyclical. You'll have a period where people just want simple good guys beat bad guys hot blooded robots, then people get bored and what edgy morally grey world, then people get bored and what something else while still having some core aspects of giant robots etc. Then at some point people just want simple hot blooded people shouting while piloting giant robots again.

>>23561762
I transcend the image and watch Argento Soma

>>23561779
>>23560731
Furthermore, in the context of eva at least, Anno was also very notably influenced by Nausica - the god warriors are very much biomechanical entities, right down to them causing the big calamity event in their story (7 days of fire) vs the evas and the whole third impact thing. So it's like, analytically speaking, Anno wasn't even attempting some kind of literary statement on the nature of mecha, he just thought it was a cool concept and made something that was just a background in nausica into the main plot of his work.

>>23562801
Largely correct, with the addendum that the unwashed masses left to their own devices naturally gravitate toward heroics. It's only with the influence of the academic and intellectual class that things ever are pushed toward the gray(said influence isn't always malicious either, as it trends this way even in healthy societies). However said influence can only last so long before that natural tendency supersedes any artificially created demand. Lemmings can only be pushed one way for so long and so they turn back toward heroics again. Once their thirst for heroics is sated the masses become easy to influence again. Hence cycles.

>>23562839
You must be 18 years or older to use this website

>>23562845
Then why are you posting here?

>>23562812
Damn, you are right!
Even if technically one of the more prominent "eva clones" it was overlookwd by the shitpost image.
Talk about a forgotten show. More people should take the time to watch it.

>>23561795
>report anyone calling attention to it, so watch your words.
oh i know very well. We're definitely walking on some egg shells.

>>23562881
to tell you that pseud 14 year olds yourself cannot use this website

>>23561762
Gundam novel should be below in break conditioning. Also the fuck kind of cognitively dishonest fag with a chip on the shoulder made this? I've seen this for years.

>>23561762
Also the bell curve is a debunked pseudo science garbage with an agenda.

>>23561390
>I can't stand that people think all post-modernism is just edgy made up bullshit instead of admitting that they themselves might be ignorant about something.

This is (you). Please re-read it carefully. it might save your brain's life!

>>23562801
This.

This thread went to weird places.