Thread 23560793

So what did he actually do wrong?

>>23560793 (OP)
Mostly? Dress like a villain without being one.

>>23560793 (OP)
Nothing, he put down a bunch of crazy assholes and brought back democracy and stability.

>>23560793 (OP)
Warcrimes, warcrimes, enabling child sexual abuse, more warcrimes and being irredeemably evil. It’s unreal that you sickos actually stand up for him

>>23560830
Name one crime.

>>23560856
Ignoring surrenders, using banned weapons, media manipulation, killing civilians, ENABLING PEDOPHELIA AND SA. How are you defending this?????

The worst crime of all, he was really boring.

>>23560861
>surrenders
Ignoring the surrender of terrorists isn't a crime. They aren't a nation who are part of any sort of treaty.
>banned weapons
Not anymore they aren't.
>media manipulation
Not a crime.
>killing civilians
Terrorists.
>enabling
Legal in gallarhorn territory.

>>23560793 (OP)
Wear his coat like he's a One Piece naval officer.

>>23560830
Tekkadan arguably does all of this. The only difference being they're poor human debris instead of the entrenched hierarchy that was in power for centuries.

>irredeemably evil
Not an argument.

>>23560793 (OP)
poor choice of facial hair

>>23560793 (OP)
Keeping Iok alive for too long. Hashmal's return would have been a planetary disaster if it wasn't for Tekkadan.

>>23560793 (OP)
More like what did he even do? He kinda just sat around for most of the series and let McGillis and Tekkadan implode from their own dumb actions. Mainly McG's dumb actions, really.

>>23560961
Goatees are based.

>>23560793 (OP)
Let Iok live as long as he did.

>>23560972
Iok being retarded was one of the high points of the series.

>>23560793 (OP)

He's been one of the least bad antagonists in Gundam history.

He did some shady things, in a universe where doing shady things is the normal. Trying to put our rules onto a different universe that has evolved in different ways is basically pointless.

In the end, he was a current Government supporter who put down a rebellion by one of their aristocrats who thought his fancy scheme to take over control of the Government would work... Who also brought in a mercenary group to back him up. Tekkadan was dumb for following Macgillis... But everything had been going so right for them for so long, they got cocky as hell and thought that they could change the world after the shit they already had pulled off.

Was using the outlawed Danslief like he did shady? Yes. Was he somewhat justified in using it? I would say yes. Barbatos and Gusion were basically just as bad as the threat of a mobile armor in their eyes. Nuking them from orbit was the only way to make sure to finish the job.

Yes, while Iok was under him, bad shit happened... But he also slapped that bitch down and stopped him from backing up the traitor to Teiwaz, which allowed Tekkadan an easy win.

>>23561087
>Tekkadan was dumb
I mean, they were essentially just a bunch of illiterate, uneducated kids whose only skills were maneuvering glorified heavy machinery. It's cool that they aspired to bigger things, but you do still need to have some semblance of understanding of politics etc to do what they aim to achieve. And the closest to an advisor they have is fucking Kudelia.

>>23561110
It was all downhill after biscuit died, the one dude who had any semblance of a brain.

>>23561119
The problem is that even when the fat kiddo was alive, even when he voiced concerns over things, in the end, the decision still goes down to Orga telling Mika to wreck shit. It would have made the narratives hit harder if we see the gang listening to Biscuit telling them to quit being so reckless gorilla brains, and that lead to them getting some small wins etc and what not.

>>23561119
The Dog eat dog world caused Orga to develop Schizophrenia and Paranoia
All of his talk of "those who died will be meaningless" and "keep moving forward" was all of that.
Its both Biscuit and Naze death along with Mika condition is what force him to speedrun everything and take the MUH BAEL offer

Win

>>23560880
>Ignoring the surrender of terrorists isn't a crime. They aren't a nation who are part of any sort of treaty.
Already that's false.

>>23560880
>Ignoring the surrender of terrorists isn't a crime. They aren't a nation who are part of any sort of treaty.
This is a misunderstanding of how IHL/LOAC works. If YOU'RE a signatory, you're bound by it, even if your enemies aren't. Even if you're not a signatory, your military code or domestic law may provide punishment for attacking anyone considered hors de combat.
The rest lies somewhere between "also blatantly illegal" and "at least unethical".

>>23561683
Gjallarhorn isn't a nation that signed a treaty recognizing international humanitarian law. It's an autonomous, interplanetary policing organization.

>you're bound by it
No you're not lol. It's self regulating. Nations violating international humanitarian law all the time. And the US and some other nations have a categorization called Unlawful Enemy Combatants with limited protections for terrorists. AND it's a moving target.

>>23561735
get caught violating*

And nothing ever happens.

>>23560793 (OP)
Decided to make Julieta his aide and successor when she's nothing but incompetent and extremely autistic.

>>23560793 (OP)
Nothing. He was the hero we needed and deserved, and he restored peace and order to the earthsphere thanks to the sacrifices he was willing to make.

>>23560793 (OP)
depends
>morally
a lot
>tactically
nothing, he won

>>23562107
>morally
And yet you can’t provide examples.

>>23562107
>>23562507
Orbital strikes are apparently warcrimes

>>23562731
In what fucking world

>>23560793 (OP)
Maintained a dysfunctional system of government.

>>23562761
Any system of government where I am not the king with unlimited power is dysfunctional by default. Unfortunately for him I am not in the IBO universe so he did the best he could with what he had. Alas.

>>23562761
But he tore down their system of government and set up a democratic process in its place.

>>23560856
He was behind that whole thing in season 1 of instigating a rebellion that he gave fake weapons to so he'd have an excuse to cull the population and pay the survivors less as punishment for their rebellion that he started.

>>23564681
>Democratic
>His dumb adopted daughter is going to be his successor

>>23560793 (OP)
Ignored the creation & ongoing slavery of Human Debris within the solar system.

Started a false-flag operation to vilify the union workers of Dort Colonies, which led to the murder of union workers.

Instigate a war between Arbrau & SAU, prolonging it for entire weeks in order to discredit McGillis Fareed.

Restarted a WMD via his fuck up of a subordinate which caused multiple civilian casualties.

>>23561087
>. Barbatos and Gusion were basically just as bad as the threat of a mobile armor in their eyes

It was actually explained that AV-S has actually been illegal to use since the Calamity War. Danslief were a weapon they kept on ice in the event someone found and woke a mobile armor up, but is known to have various drawbacks (like needing a second MS to reload). AV-S, on the other hand, was deemed too powerful and as a result Gjallarhorn attempted to erase all traces of it besides Bael for emergencies. So, going by the lore Tekkadan themselves have been using illegal weapons since the first episode.

It's actually been said by the staff that Mikazuki wasn't that skilled of a pilot and his performance was due to his implants, and the design of the Lupus Rex screams that based on how MS are designed in-universe.

>>23565000
If she’s elected

>>23565213
Are we really gonna blame him for Iok’s actions? Also he wasn’t even in season 1 what do you mean Dort?

>>23564842
Not a crime according to the laws he wrote.

>>23564842
He didn’t even exist in season one. What?

>>23565232
>and as a result Gjallarhorn attempted to erase all traces of it besides Bael for emergencies
Nah, the entire point of the Graze Ein is that Gjallarhorn secretly kept researching it and never actually lost the technology, even if they didn't have anyone to try it on until Ein, then Gaelio and McGillis came along. The Graze Ein wasn't a brand new MS, it was a research project that was shut down because they couldn't find test subjects. It's also pretty vague on it being illegal vs regulated. Gjallarhorn disposed of the systems they came across and created a taboo, but obviously no one stopped Ein, Gaelio, or McGillis from getting the surgery from an official Gjallarhorn lab.

>>23565260
He was the Commander of the Arianrhod Fleet, whom participated in the false flag operations of framing and massacring the union workers at Dort Colonies where Tekkadan and Teiwaz was set up to deliver arms to.

Yes, he's also responsible for Iok Kujan. Whose behavior he had been encouraging and nurtured.

>>23565402
Did you watch blindfolded? Every single dumb fuck thing Iok did, he was absolutely livid with.

>>23565407
He wasn't lmao.

If he did, Iok would already be chicken dinnered or jailed. But bc he's a useful idiot for Rustal, he's kept on like a rabid Chihuahua.

>>23565417
The only time we saw him getting visibly annoyed was when iok tried to frame teiwaz and lucky for rustal, mcmurdo agreed to the deal.

Not like he have much of a choice considering who he's up against but still, it would have turned very ugly for rustal very fast if mcmurdo leaked what truly happened to the media.

Setting up a false flag to massacre surrendering civilians is not a good look.

>>23566163
And he grounded his ass for it. Which is confusing why >>23565417 thinks it didn’t happen

>>23566170
Oh yeah, tough love from rustal. Grounding someone for staging a false flag operation and killing surrendering civilians.

>>23565232
I wouldn't say AV system is illegal because there isn't a law that outright bans its usage unlike dainsleif.

>>23565402
It wasn't a false flag tho? The colonists did want to rebel and were looking to buy weapons. False flag is when one side secretly does something and blames it on the other, like one of Rustal's men sneaking into the revolutionary fleet and using the dainsleif on Rustal's fleet to enable him to use the dainsleif freely. He does use false flag operations but Dort wasn't one of them. Maybe you could make a case for entrapment but even then the colonists were already up in arms.

>>23566191
This. They sought out and bought weapons, he was just smart enough to get ahead of it and sabotage the effort. They had every chance before that to back down

>>23566191
They blew up the government building to start the attack.

That's the definition of false flag.

>>23566209
I don’t think you remember that well

>>23566209
Did you forget how the Union rolled up with Mobile Workers and guns to that government building?

>>23566191
He instigated the rebellion. Yeah they were unhappy, but rather than try to make them happy or just leave them be he supplied them with weapons to ensure they would rebel, made sure the weapons wouldn't work so they couldn't get anywhere they used the excuse to cull their numbers and pay the survivors even less because he had an excuse to. That's capeshit Lex Luthor style of fuckery.

>>23565363
>>23566180

That came from the directors post series ramblings where he's hostile and pissed that people didn't like the ending and was just Mika was a shit pilot who was carried by his AV, the AV was illegal so Tekkadan was just as bad if not worse than Gjallahorn and Kudelia is just as bad for associating with Tekkadan and one day Rustal will kill her for it now shut the fuck up my ending was brilliant and don't you kids every thing about stepping out of line for your middle aged corporate masters.

>>23566252
They were buying weapons anyway. He just made sure to get ahead of it

>>23566191
The armed workers march on the capital but do not fire, Gjallarhorn sets off a charge on their own building and sets a smokescreen which they use as grounds to slaughter them + as cover for said slaughter. That is absolutely a false flag, the guy in charge of the workers was adamant about them not firing first, and they in fact did not.

>>23566261
>armed workers march on the capital
And you don’t see where they fucked up?

>>23566266
dude just use a different term

it's almost as if false flag definition means intentionally concealing yourself as an enemy unit, not whether or not you're manipulating the narrative to make yourself not responsible for firing the first shot. pretending to get shot by the enemy is NOT false flag. it's just tactical deception, like pretending to be wounded to lure or confuse the enemy before unexpectedly counter-attacking. then later they falsify the official record of events to manipulate the narrative. That's basically deception+lying, but not false flag

ONLY dressing up your forces to deceive the enemy by making them think you're one of them is false flag

this is the equivalent of a standoff between police SWAT and angry civilian crowd. a SWAT officer in full tactical gear walks to the angry crowd, turns 180, and then throws a tear gas grenade toward the cops, then all hell breaks loose and the situation turns into a brawl, then the cops afterward release an official statement blaming the civilians. not false flag, but absolutely creating confusion and chaos to intentionally escalate the situation from tense standoff into actual combat where the side armed with real weapons has the advantage. and then lying afterward about what really happened to turn the storytelling to the advantage of the side that won

>>23566266
Not to mention, they were found with illegal weapons at the spacedocks and OPENED FIRE prior to the march!

>>23566501
Timestamp? I believe you I just wanna mark it for later

>>23566236
As an armed protest.

The bomb were set by the Regulatory Bureau of Gjallarhorn, of which Arianrhod was literally apart of and even Gali-Gali a fucking lowly inspector knew that.

>>23560793 (OP)
The only things I really hold against him are letting Iok and his scummery run free, and using the dainsleif to snipe from space like a bitch. That's like taking out protags with a colony laser
But I must acknowledge he more often than not benefitted from Iok's subhuman schemes and taking out Tekkadan like that was simply logical since they were in last stand mode and would've wrecked anything else thrown at them. All a testament to the fact that he was the only one with a functioning brain who was in a position to guide the future after the dust settled

>>23566602
>As an armed protest.
Armed protests are barely legal in most of the populated US, let alone anywhere else in the world, let alone in a de facto slave factory in a space colony corporate town owned by some rich people on Earth. I don't think these people even legally have human rights.

>>23566619
>and using the dainsleif to snipe from space like a bitch
The main cast was running around with FOUR gundams. Count em up fag, 1, 2, 3, FOUR. Barbatos, Bael, Gusion, and Flauros. And one of the pilots slayed a MA single handedly. Considering they ALL had illegal AV systems AND McGillis murdered an heiress and tried to kill another heir and got illegal AV surgery to steal the sacred religious mcguffin gundam Rustal didn't even need any scheming to justify using the dainsleif.

>>23566222
I don't think you remember that well.

>>23566642
Doesn't explain why they needed to stage a false flag though?

>>23566772
I don’t think you remember that well

>>23566645
>Rustal didn't even need any scheming to justify using the dainsleif.
He killed his own men though.

>>23566289
>dude just use a different term
Why? False flag covers that as well. You typed a bunch of words to justify why the false flag isn't a false flag only to lay out the dictionary definition of what a false flag is.

It's hilarious.

>>23566806
nigga get serious

>>23566645
>Considering they ALL had illegal AV systems
AV systems weren't illegal. The difference being that Human Debris & Space rats got the inferior version that were leaked by Gjallarhorn. Likely by the researchers themselves trying to reclaim the original AV system without breaking the taboo of human experimentations.

>McGillis murdered an heiress
Carta Issue died in the line of duty rushing into combat.

>another heir
Gaelio was engaged in illegal activities on Earth by interfering with the Arbrau elections. Also, literal child killer with his pet child killer as a Baki torso in a suit.

>Rustal didn't even need any scheming to justify using the dainsleif
Except he needed to because Rustal is a PoS who had no problems upholding the status quo that led to the creation of Space Debris and child soldiers in the first place.

>>23566910
>Gaelio was engaged in illegal activities on Earth by interfering with the Arbrau elections.
Gaelio did nothing wrong

>>23560793 (OP)
False flags, but he won and reformed his organisation.

>>23566602
>armed protest.
No self-respecting government would allow such nonsense unless there is precedent for the former peaceful protestors to get attacked with live ammunition by non-state actors.

Not even the Americans are dumb enough to turn a blind eye to "heavily armed protestors." That's how you get civil wars and pointless, bloody battles with law enforcement.

>>23566989
>No self-respecting government would allow such nonsense unless there is precedent for the former peaceful protestors to get attacked with live ammunition by non-state actors.
>Not even the Americans are dumb enough to turn a blind eye to "heavily armed protestors." That's how you get civil wars and pointless, bloody battles with law enforcement.
You must not be historically literate then. Because that's exactly what happened when labor unions on strike for better work conditions in company towns and elsewhere were murdered by Pinkertons, corrupt cops, and National Guard units sent in by governors bribed by mine & railway owners.

>>23566266
Yes, because marching unarmed on the capital gets you forcefully dispersed and or slaughtered by repressive regimes, you don't have to look far in real life to see it happening time and again. If you were genuinely being used as glorified slave labor, had spent years attempting peaceful protests and getting stonewalled, you're eventually going to have to step it up. You're either ignorant or a special kind of bootlicker to imply that there's 0 gap between an armed protest against intolerable living and working conditions and full on insurgency.

>>23566289
You are a giant retard, the literal dictionary definition of false flag is "a hostile or harmful action (such as an attack) that is designed to look like it was perpetrated by someone other than the person or group responsible for it" which is precisely what Gjallarhorn did when they bombed their own building. The sheer fucking gall to type all this up about the meaning of a term without spending 5 seconds to see if maybe you might be fucking wrong.

>>23567039
>You must not be historically literate then.
I'm not American. So kinda?

If you think having heavily armed civilians clashing with law enforcement is normal or desirable, then I guess this is a cultural difference.

>>23560793 (OP)
Plenty, but this is the story where the heroes kill own captives, execute a defenseless civilian, go on a murder rampage, and willingly take part in a plot to take over the world.
The point was that bad guy and good guy aren't terms that you can simply apply in such a scenario

>>23568441
Armed resistance happens even outside the US.
Yes, it's not normal or desirable. But it's the natural consequences of ignoring peaceful protests for change, especially when the people literally depend on said changes for themselves and their families to live.

>>23560880
>Not anymore they aren't.

They were banned all the way through to the end of the show. That's why he had the media removed from the area whenever he planned to use them.

>>23560793 (OP)

Based as fuck character. Everything about him is simply more preferable as a heroic figure because our central characters are incredibly selfish shitty people in IBO.

Tekkadan killed hundreds of Gjallarhorn soldiers in cold blood only to complain like babies at the end when the same banned technology they'd be freely using was utilized against them.

>>23566253
Yeah, Nagai admitted he had no real idea how to write big battles and war stories so he shoehorned in stuff from yazuka movies he liked. Then when he wrote himself into a corner with Tekkadan's development and McGillis's plan he got pissy and started changing things to make them more retarded. The sad part is as bad as the ending was it was supposed to be even worse but the staff threatened to rebel against him if he stuck with his original plan for the endiung which was supposedly even worse.

>>23567039
There was also the battle of Athens TN, which started as an armed protest at voting booths and ended with a shootout and raid on the town jail.

>>23568483
They also murdered innocent people that had no ability to fight back, backed literal terrorists, and led humanity into an age of darkness.

>>23568505
>and led humanity into an age of darkness.

Not really? Things were actually looking up for humanity after the end of the first season. Even that border skirmish at the start of S2 only happened because Gjallarhorn was manipulating things behind the scenes to discredit their political rivals.

>>23568513
>Things were actually looking up for humanity after the end of the first season
>AVS usage becoming more widespread because Tekkadan were portrayed as heroes

>>23568513
Season 2 literally started out saying humanity was in a dark age.

>>23568513
Homie did you watch the show?

I went back to IBO to finish season 1 because I left it on hold for a couple of months.
I couldn't understand anything those last 4 episodes but I figured I'd get a recap by the beginning of season 2 so I pushed through.
The ending was baffling and I genuinely couldn't understand how they were going to continue it.
Start watching S2 and suddenly everyone is alive again. Is this a recap, or what?
NO I WATCHED THE ENDING OF SEASON 2
I FUCKED IT
I'M AN IDIOT

>>23568551
That's not Tekkadan's fault that's just other people being idiots and thinking that AVS child soldiers=win and not that Tekkadan were so effective because they had a Gundam piloted by one turbo fight autist.

>>23568505
>They also murdered innocent people that had no ability to fight back

Child slavers and corrupt officials aren't innocent.

>>23568932
Gundams arnt special

>>23568932
That's also ignoring the fact that AVS was already widespread in the Solar System & pirates making human debris had long been a thing before Tekkadan even entered the picture.

>>23568981
Bitch, Tekkadan actively made it worse. The show says this, there’s no argument

Not keeping Iok alive so he can arrange a marriage with Almiria using Iok's incidental role in being instrumental for the defeat of McGillis uprising and crippling Tekkadan until they were isolated

>>23560793 (OP)
Disrespecting Mars.

>>23568844
>I'M AN IDIOT
Many such cases.

>>23568973
Why are the shows named after them, then?

>>23568994
Being a child solider is good for you and an necessary step on the road to becoming gundam.

>>23569029
Why didn't he marry Almiria himself? Why did Gaelio's dad choose Macky when Iok and Rustal would have been better options since they weren't bastards? Why was Carta still single?

>>23570138
Macky wasn't a bad option as far as anyone knew. It was only when he went retard mode and betrayed all the people that would have supported his goals that he fucked up. If he had just talked to gaelio and carta they probably both would have joined him and shit might have actually worked out for him.

>>23568993
Oh, man. I forget that Tekkadan first got their AVS when they were attacked by Gjallarhorn. Or the time that Orga kidnapped the entire main cast to be turned into child soldiers when he took over CGS. Or the time when he forced the Brewer Pirates at literal gunpoint to make Akihiro's lil bro into Human Debris. Or the time that he conspired with Eins to kill all of his crew. /s

>>23570156
>"Supported his goals"
Gaelio was more than happy to let his NINE year old sister get into a political marriage with Fareed. Carta had no issues going after children. Eins was a bloodthirsty child killer bc his bear partner got killed trying to follow illegal orders.

Gaelio & Carta had plenty of opportunities to signal to McGillis that "Hey, isn't it kinda fucked up we're chasing after literal children so we can kidnap the face of the Mars independence movement?" And they failed every single one.

>>23570317
Macky genuinely liked Gaelio and Carta though. He had to reject them because Bael.

>>23570317
>Eins was a bloodthirsty child killer
Space rats deserve no mercy.

>>23560830
I mean Rustal is in fact the government
He can't commit warcrimes if he makes the law

>>23571057
Gjallarhorn isn’t a government. Do…do you really think that?

>>23570309
I find Akihiro's story to be hilarious, they threw him Iok to kill so his entire life wouldn't be failure and misery. He accomplished basically nothing and saved no-one, everyone he loved died.

>>23571111
If Iok stood in the back lines waiting for Julietta to hard carry the fight by finishing off the survivors by herself it would put the actual credit to Julietta and Iok still had his whole "I have to prove to Rustal I am not useless".

Ironically his death was of use to consolidate power within Rustal and Julietta as a puppet rather than being the figurehead who shut down McGillis rebellion albeit in a messy manner

>>23571244
Well keep in mind Iok's is an overly dramatic retard who practically had to be dragged kicking and screaming away from getting himself killed. His single contribution was being a pawn in Teiwaz infighting because he hated Tekkadan for kill stealing as though he had a chance in hell of taking out the MA

>>23571483
I do find it hillarious that in Urd Hunt, Iok was legit have a chance to claim victory over Mobile Armor. But he just went "Nope, let's ignore it"

>>23571244
Julietta did nothing of worth in the entire series, she lost every fight she was in and she's not particularly clever. Not sure how and why we're supposed to believe she's an ace pilot and Rustal's successor

>>23571080
When you're as intrenched and politically powerful as Gjallarhorn is and have a monopoly on violence, then questions of your legitimacy as the official government of humanity are purely academic.

>>23571512
Her introduction made it seem like she was going to be some kind of autistic savant pilot like Mika but they ended up doing so little with her that it ended up being disappointing

>>23571516
Blame Mari Okada turning her into her self insert

>>23571579
I don't understand, if you are gonna make a self insert wouldn't you usually make them an overpowered bullshit character like kira and lacus or make them just a sort off on the side observer who doesn't really impact the story like a lot of classical writers?

>>23571627
>an overpowered bullshit character
She kinda was, she ended up blocking shino's shot and was protected by plot armor over and over again

>>23571627
You don't have to be Kirito/Kira tier of mary sue to be considered self insert. Shes only want Matsukaze voiced character as her husbando
The fact she's full of plot armor and ended up with character that the writer openly horny about it without zero romance/build up is enough.

>abolish archaic unfair system of ruling
>institute democracy
>get voted in anyway
>chud fanbase seethes and claims corruption

Next you’ll post that he’s not going to give up power after his term when there’s 0 evidence to support that except your own biases

>>23571809
The biggest problem is he had all the cards and chooses to the lesser prize. He crushed McGillis attempt at a Decemberists revolt, Iok is dead so he doesn't have to use a Seven Star as a replacement figurehead to show stability is restored.
>>23571483
Technically speaking. He was sent down to disrupt the meeting between McGillis and Tekkadan but Rustal won't mind if Iok's intrusion caused a fuckup Tekkadan had to fix at the cost of their own reputation.

>>23561087
Except Tekkadan is a natural consequence of the world Rustal is holding up. He's not a lesser evil, he's part of the ROOT CAUSE of the evil. They're a corrupt, ineffectual organization of thugs that have basically created a world where lawless double-dealing is the only means to accomplish anything in your life. And that means sooner or later, more Tekkadans will be born, and one of them will be the one to kill him and tear it all down.

He's like the Marines in One Piece; they may provide "some" measure of order, but ultimately they're only there as the attack dogs of literal demons who want mass suffering, and any aspirations they have of protecting the public are undermined when their ruling authority makes constant demands to slaughter and oppress them instead.

There's nothing noble or even particularly intelligent about Rustal; he just happens to be holding all the author-provided cards from the start so that the plot cannot possibly impede him. That's really the cardinal sin of him: he's boring because he's not allowed to be threatened.

>>23571919
Except it only really helped Tekkadan's reputation because Mika crushed the MA. Even with Julieta wanting to take out the MA to earn Rustal an Order she knew when it was time to fucking go whereas Iok got his troops killed and then tried and failed several times to play the Heroic Last Shot card because he forgot that none of his shit was even scratching the thing. There's a reason Rustal dropped the hammer on him leading him down a spiral of desperation of approval

>>23571987
But an anon earlier said that Rustal never punished him

>>23572203
Yup.

Rustal kept him on bc he's a charismatic fool that gets 99% of his own soldiers following him.

>>23571987
It only spared Tekkadan from being cut off from Teiwaz for suggesting a more direct relationship as a liaison to McGillis, causing Iok to believe McGillis intends on establishing resources required for a coup. Mika was given treats from McMurdo for his work in stabilizing the situation, but Orga had to take the blame regardless when he gave the oath cup back signifying his loss of protection and one that will ultimately get Naze and most of the Turbines killed because of it.

Had they failed to take down the mobile armor and Julietta or Iok got the kill, Arianhod would had humiliated McGillis enough to delay his plans and Jasley would have got the permission to eliminate Tekkadan with Teiwaz's authorization.
>>23572211
Also he can use him later as a pawn if needed, which was why he was basically allowed to get himself killed. Because otherwise after the barrage on Akihiro and Mika, it would be Julietta hogging all of the spotlight at his expense. Imagine what would the wedding looked like when Almiria sees him as the monster she is forced to marry now that McGillis is dead because he "defeated" the rebellion while Julietta is the one who was actually held in any kind of respect because of Rustal who knows she does her best despite the sheer impossible circumstances of surviving Tekkadan

>>23572203
He had him grounded

>>23572248
So, nothing?

>>23571627
She was super bullshit, we see Mika bodying her in every fight until it Matters, when she can suddenly notice Shino way in the distance while fighting for her life with Mika, and then accurately throw shit at him to save Rustal, all while Mika somehow doesn't use the opening this creates to turn her into a sticky jam filled mobile suit. Then she gets together with Okadas crush and becomes the heir to leading the free world. Monkey a shit. A SHIT.

>>23572350
Anon you wanna watch that again? She sees the Flauros play and intentionally exposes herself to try to disput it, and absolutely gets absolutely gutted by Mika for her trouble to the point he straight thought she was dead till she wiggled again. She chose Rustal’s life over her own and almost paid for it in full.


Now the fact she recovered and they repaired Julia in time for the finale? That’s bullshit

>the original ending was worse
I can't imagine how

>>23571942
>Except Tekkadan is a natural consequence of the world Rustal is holding up. He's not a lesser evil, he's part of the ROOT CAUSE of the evil.
He literally destroyed that system at the end of the show.

>>23572463
>bEcAuSe hE wAs fOrCeD to iN oRdEr to kEeP pOwEr

>>23572211
He's not just a charismatic fool. He's in the same position that Carta was in and by extension Rustal to Iznario Fareed. As the rightful heir of his family, Iok had control of his own army and bases and shit, and Rustal legally had access to all of them by acting as his mentor and guardian within Gjallarhorn.

>>23571942
You'd be retarded to blame the marines for what happened on Wano. That's what Mars is. Besides a tiny, ineffectual branch with a handful of MS, Gjallarhorns Mars basically had no power there even before leaving it more or less completely at the end. The real power was always controlled by Teiwaz and arms dealers. Gjallarhorn's main job is to police the Earth sphere on behalf of the economic blocs, but the outer spheres were already out of their purview.

The ending is Rustal just officially washing Gjallarhorn's hands of Mars because it was already losing the trust of the economic blocs and it needed to pivot to save face. So they say "yeah we wanted to leave mars anyway," and let the powers that be officially take control in the light. The ending is really a nothingburger for the setting. It's Gjallarhorn turning democratic that's the real change, because you can see that Rustal was disgusted with Iznario diddling little boys and the old family heads claiming neutrality when McGillis claimed piloting Bael let him commune with Agnika Kaieru's holy spirit and crowned himself king of Gjallarhorn in the midst of a psychotic break. Like the story tells you that all the other branches were small and ineffectual because the Arianrhod fleet was literally doing ALL of the work and it was like the size of like 5 fleets combined. They literally show the Arianrhod fleet is several times the size of McGillis's and the revolutionary fleets. Wouldn't be surprised if Rustal was planning to take over Gjallarhorn himself at some point.

>>23572477
McGillis or Tekkadan winning would make the world an even worse place in the long run though

>>23572350
Shino only got that close because of pure plot armor in the first place. A few dainsleifs can make the heaviest battlecruisers explode but somehow they strap a few hangar bays onto their dinky freighter and it tanks an ENTIRE dainsleif volley by itself AND KEEPS GOING? IBO just gave the same plot armor to both sides. Tekkadan just had a retarded plan.

>>23572518
Dainsleifs are just metal rods shot at high speeds, if they don't hit anything important they aren't actually gonna do shit. Hanger bays don't have any critical systems to get sniped so they aren't gonna do shit to it. On the otherhand a ship or especially a MS has all sorts of juicy systems to penetrate. Conventional missiles would have done a better job against shino.

>>23572495
It's because he knows the only left to take over at the point was Iok and having to puppeteer Iok while dealing with the fact he is going to pick up where McGillis left off to pursue his attempt to restore things to the days of Agnika. There was zero chance in hell it doesn't end up like Delta's marriage when Almiria tries to kill Iok being able to stomach the fact she is married to her true love's murderer

>>23560793 (OP)
Morally a few things. He was well willing to play real dirty to accomplish his goals. But on the other hand...he looks cool, and I fucking hate everyone in Tekkadan and on their side, and wished they died even more horrible deaths than they did. So I don't care, he's awesome.

If homosexual marriage is normal in IBO, why didn't Rustal marry Iok for political purposes

>>23572495
>because you can see that Rustal was disgusted with Iznario diddling little boys
He literally didn't care.

>>23572496
It would turn it into the Gundam equivalent of 40K which would honestly be pretty fucking badass and way more interesting then the status quo prevails again, don't ever think about going against Japanese society kids.

>>23572496
How?

>>23573034
Holy media illiterate

>>23573175
Rustal was commander of Gjallarhorn's most powerful fleet and didn't care that Iznario was diddling his adopted son.

>>23573175
He even mocked him several times anon

>>23573026
Because homo marriage is ok but interracial marriage is still a no no. Such is gjallarhorn law.

>>23573193
Where’s his proof

>>23573034
Not like he can do anything about it. When Rustal is introduced in the flashback he's talking shit about McGillis being an illegitimate child, but when he sees the bruises on McGillis's neck his mood changes and he tries to be nice to McGillis.

>>23573193
What's he going to do? Show up to arrest Iznario with his big fleet and potentially start an open civil war between himself and the rest of Gjallarhorn? That's literally the thing he criticizes McGillis over.

>>23572641
>if they don't hit anything important they aren't actually gonna do shit
Battlecruisers are more likely to be designed with that in mind.

>otherhand a ship
A freighter is a ship

>especially a MS has all sorts of juicy systems to penetrate
Which would likely exist in some form in the hangar. A converted hangar doesn't exactly raise safety expectations.

>Conventional missiles would have done a better job against shino.
Which conveniently, like the throw weight of the fleet, weren't used until after it mattered.

>>23574098
>Show up to arrest Iznario with his big fleet and potentially start an open civil war between himself and the rest of Gjallarhorn?
If your interplanetary gov breaks into open civil war over the arrest of a pedophile, you have bigger problems.

>>23574370
Horns literally were a decadent and corrupted fuck ups with crazy knight LARPers added to the mix., since season 1

>>23574370
>next staff meeting
>I accuse him of being a pedo and should be removed from power
>do you have proof?
>…no
And then Rustal gets fucked

>>23574619
Totalitarian militia with the powers of the Regulatory Bureau & Fleet can't investigate his rivals but has enough influence to start false-flag wars & get rid of them after the McGillis Incident?

Okbuddy

>>23574641
Yes because after the McGillis investment half the system is fucking gone. 7 stars has become 4 and trust is absolutely shattered in them. If there was ever a time to push the reforms he wanted that was it

>why didn’t Obama go after Epstein? Is he stupid?

>>23574656
>7 stars has become 4 and trust is absolutely shattered in them.
Lmao. They still had their military forces and still could've made a stink about it.

>why didn’t Obama go after Epstein? Is he stupid?
Obama not going after Epstein bc of a sweetheart plea deal made by the Bush Administration was absolutely one of the worst decisions he made throughout his presidential terms, fucko.

>>23560820
So he's like Chris Pine from that new Disney movie.

>>23574858
>They still had their military forces
Barely. McGillis basically had 3+ families worth between the Outer Earth Orbit Regulation fleet and the revolutionary fleet.

>>23560793 (OP)
is that negro in the back.?

>>23574954
>Barely. McGillis basically had 3+ families worth
Unless every family had a similar amount of forces at its disposal that doesn't say much. Since the Arianrhod fleet was by far the largest, its not saying much. Outer Earth Orbit Regulation fleet didn't actually fulfill any purpose and the revolutionary fleet was a small number of ships. Groups on earth that didn't take part in the conflict had about equal strength to McGillis(he was said to have about half the strength of the Arianrhod fleet and was hoping the other members of the seven stars would put them on equal grounds), any ships in the Mars branch or other long term postings also didn't take part. So the majority of Gjallarhorn, especially the majority that actually did anything was still intact. Rustal was supposed to care about PR, but its hard to tell IBO didn't make a lot of sense.

>>23574983
>Outer Earth Orbit Regulation fleet didn't actually fulfill any purpose
Their purpose was to perpetuate the status quo. Hence why Arianrhod Fleet was onsite cooperating with the Regulatory Bureau to suppress the labor union protests at the Dort Colonies.

Instead of actually targeting pirates & the PMCs turning kids into human debris & child soldiers.

>>23574985
Outer Earth Orbit Regulation fleet sat in earth's orbit. Arianrhod dealt with everything.

>>23574993
I stand corrected.