Thread 23564107

I think it's pretty dumb that more mecha don't make use of the fact that they're NOT limited by human anatomy to their advantage.

If your mecha can't spin its torso around 360 degrees like a tank turret, that's fucking dumb.

If your mecha can't articulate its limbs in both direction of its joints, that's fucking dumb.

>>23564107 (OP)
>If your mecha can't spin its torso around 360 degrees like a tank turret, that's fucking dumb.
This prevents you from having anything going through the waist that's not a loose cable or something. Reactor or fuel tanks or whatever have to be moved in their entirety into the chest or pelvis or have to sit straight on the axis of rotation, which restricts your design options a lot. Still doable - IIRC some of the Turn A designs built on a flexible spine do that.
>If your mecha can't articulate its limbs in both direction of its joints, that's fucking dumb.
Yeah, this is great. Plus it's well documented that punching something with a spinning fist is better than a still fist.

>>23564123
>This prevents you from having anything going through the waist that's not a loose cable or something

Slip Rings, baby

>>23564126
That'd be the something, though thank you. Could not remember the name of those for the life of me.

>>23564107 (OP)
we just had a show with this but you wouldn't know about it

>>23564107 (OP)
the more flexible a robot is, the less durable, weaker, and probably more heavier the robot will be.

>>23564168
Wider range of motion would actually help prevent damage by mitigating hyperextension risks.

>>23564107 (OP)

The humanoid design with all its limits is peak advancement tho.
In the 2001 movie A.I. Artifical Intelligence the future robots were still humanoid in appearance even after all their excelerated evolution because it is the peak design of intelligent creatures.

>>23564182
>peak advancement

Counterpoint- it usually looks stupid. Even battletech very rarely actually shows them walking around shooting backwards with their guns even though it's a commonly enough encountered rule because it just looks fucking stupid.

>>23564126
Engineer here, slip rings kinda suck to work with. Really suck, in fact.

>>23564238
Battletech looks fucking stupid in general.

>>23564354
Any mecha design would be a hangar queen to begin with. I really hope MS repair engineers got a good rate in the OYW.

>>23564354
Listen there’s a reason literally every tank on earth uses slip rings even though they suck to work with. When you’re talking about the life and death stakes of combat, you engineer every advantage you can get.

>>23564238
A lot of BT mechs can’t actually spin their torso past a “human” limit. They’re not designed to, that’s why they walk backwards when conducting a fighting retreat.

Mechanical wrists should be able to continually spin. Still have no idea how he lost this fight.

>>23564574
I'd assume anon would be talking about mechs that can flip their arms to their rear arc, which is the more common ability than extended torso twist.

>>23564612
Is it? Do they have cameras to the rear as well or do they turn their heads on a swivel?

>>23564107 (OP)
You mean like, instead of cock and balls at crotch, the robot can have cock and balls on its head?

>>23564615
All mechs are female, so they can't actually have cock and balls anywhere.

But yes, the vagina can be on the back of the knees if you wanted.

>>23564107 (OP)
>If your mecha can't spin its torso around 360 degrees like a tank turret, that's fucking dumb


That's part of why the Turn A is my favourite Gundam. I'm pretty sure it can do this and the chest missiles make it an actual turret. The head and hands spin around too at least.

>>23564608
Most gundam and mobile suit wrists spin to open space door hatches but they never used it for combat until Turn A did the spinning saber thing.

>>23564126
I just remembered this guy who built a house that is constantly rotating and the solutions he had to come up with to figure out how to supply water and power to a moving house.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gisdyTBMNyQ

>>23564612
Most battletech mechs don't have heads to begin with. Or cameras. Or arm articulation.

>>23564662
Xabungle proves that's a skill issue. The nimblest shit are those Jeep faced walkers that leap like frogs in a dynamite pond.

too many faggots in this thread.

>>23564698
The human shoulder can rotate in a circle

>>23564703
Lies. That's the mark of the devil(gundam). Humans only have a 90 degree bed on their arms and legs and their shoulder articulation is limited by their armor flaps.

I do agree its pretty cool when Mecha spin their wrists and shit.

>>23564627
F91 and Victory did it first. In fact it's basically a F91 trademark. it does it in like every game it's in

>>23564662
>Most battletech mechs don't have heads to begin with. Or cameras. Or arm articulation
They're supposed to have all of these, the games are just shitty.

>>23564182
>peak peak peak
Shut the fuck up zoomer piece of shit.

>>23565491
Maybe I’m mixing up Gundam with some other show, but wasn’t there something about swinging tbe beam saber made it ineffective, like a lighter in the wind?

>>23565516
Not that I can remember. I mean, most of the time to attack with a beam saber you swing it, if not stabbing with it. Certain shows like Zeta would make the sabers bend while swinging but it was more just a visual style than a problem that made them less effective as a weapon.

>>23564107 (OP)
What is the point of making a war machine in the form of a human if you do not apply human limitations?

Just make a tank. Just make a fighter jet. The point of the Gundam having elbows is that elbows only bend one way.

>>23564107 (OP)
Watch/read/play more mecha.

>>23564626
Supposedly none of its limb and joint locomotion is due to internal servos or motors, it's essentially puppeteered by an I-field spread across its whole body. So yeah there should be nothing stopping it from spinning 360 at the waist.

>>23564126
Huge point of failure.

>>23564107 (OP)
part of the appeal of mecha is as a human stand-in. If the mecha doesn't act human or even alive it's basically just a sub-optimal tank.

>>23566254
I wonder why no MBT in the word decides to forgo this "huge point of failure"?

Why do you think every tank builder in the world decides to use slip rings instead of forgoing that "huge point of failure"?

>>23566275
The appeal is that they're fighter jets that can punch things, fucking tourist.

>>23564107 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiYvjg0F534

>>23566314
Most modern war machines aren't built for actual combat, they are built for the sake of being bought. They just slap whatever together regardless of if it's a good idea or not because they know the odds a real war between actual developed countries is basically nil and thus actually doing the job well really doesn't matter much. It just needs to do the job well enough to handle whatever thirdies it is thrown at that decade.

>>23566845
So why do the good tanks use slip rings? Or are you saying there are no good tanks?

>>23566847
Essentially, yeah. Let's pretend for a second war broke out between real countries, tanks are basically useless until the war reaches a point where one country is trying to subjugate whatever remains of the other country's population living in bombed out ruins. Before that they are just fodder for planes and missiles. Tanks have very little role outside of the role of suppression of non military. Especially modern ones, which are designed with the idea they will never be more than an hour or two from a properly equipped base. They are far from the work horse they were in ww2 and are essentially the land equivalent of battleships in terms of being deprecated hardware.

>>23566855
Bro, you might be retarded.

>>23566855
Tanks are probably the most essential componet of any ground force. The stalemate in Ukraine is a direct result of both sides inability to conduct armor maneuver operations (Ukraine is too scared to push their tanks forward, Russia is unable to amass their tanks in force and spreads them piecemeal)

>>23566855
>Especially modern ones, which are designed with the idea they will never be more than an hour or two from a properly equipped base.
The Abrams is designed to operate on long range strike operations with minimal assistance from non-organic maintenance units. This has already been proven in the Thunder Run in Iraq.

>>23566890
>relying on organics
Gross.

>>23566901
Organic and non-organic in this case meaning attachment to your unit or another. The wrecker crew that is in your battalion is organic. The depot-level maintenance unit back at base is non-organic.

>>23564107 (OP)
For neural-link controlled mechs, it doesn’t make sense. The point is that you move the machine the same way you move your body. I’m not sure it’d be possible for a human pilot to override their lifelong instincts to not break their joint as

>>23566929
Oh. That's ok then.

>>23564608
He lost because of his arrogance

>>23571690
He lost because Obi fucking shot him with a gun

>>23564572
>>23566314
That's the tradeoff for having a turret, and that turret and gun on it is like the whole point. A humanoid mech doesn't necessarily have to be based around a rotational turret if 180 either way is sufficient so it might be worth forgoing.

>>23573361
Should have taken the high ground.

>>23573361
After opening his chest plates with his bear hands. And then says that shooting a gun is uncivilized lmao.

>>23564107 (OP)
Or you can just make mech that spins like a top.

>>23576057
Airjet mechs that skate along the ground should do more figure skating move

>>23564703
try it right now irl and not online and see what happens motherfucker

>>23566314
Do your fucking due diligence, janny.

I WANT MY /M/ TO LOOK LIKE THE WACKY MACHINES THEY FUCKIN ARE!!!

>>23578776
What military likes the tag “wacky”

>>23565604
I love FLATs. T pose and vibrate to assert dominance

>>23566845
This is some next level cope nigga. Just admit you don't know shit

>>23564107 (OP)
I don't have the webm, but the GQUX version of the RX-78 was capable of rotating the head a full 360 and using the vulcans more effectively. Too bad it was only used for that one fight scene and then never utilized again. For that matter, I'm slightly disappointed that GQUX-Zeon didn't also make more use of that kind of capability with their MS.

>>23565604
shading appearing and disappearing is really jarring
should've spent less budget on characters talking about nothing. not Laura though, she was perfect

>>23566888
now even China is adapting the two's artillery use of tanks. bye bye armored spearhead breakthroughs, until land drones start doing this to lead manned troop vehicles

>>23564608
he wins the sword fight but kenobi's plot armor kicks in before the kill shot

>>23583491
Why use your MBTs for that? That’s what your SPGs are for.

>>23564107 (OP)
Because that would look silly!

>>23585240
Looking silly is preferable to looking dead

>>23583499
Plot armor doesn’t exist in universe

>>23585763
Dying from lack of toy sales is a far more permanent death than merely being shot.