Thread 23578430

I find it strange that there's no resistance from the people and Zeon remnant when Republic of Zeon giving up their independence and joining back Federation reverting to Side 3 name in 0100

I imagine that was what Harutoshi Fukui could have planned for if he wasn't so focused on Yamato.

>>23578430 (OP)
Do we have any ACTUAL *confirmation* that Zeon rejoined the Federation? Or was it just mentioned once and then everyone just assumed it happened?

From what I can see, the Federation seems to care very little about the colonies as long as the colonies continue sending earth some resources (like food) and they don't start armed uprisings. If the Colonies don't do that, then Federation just leaves them alone.

You have entire colonies in ZZ and CCA era that the Federation literally just "forgot about" and stopped visiting them. Colonies like Moon Moon colony where the inhabitants fell back to pre-industrial era and forgot about technology. Or Shangri La colony where the Federation didn't care about them and just used it as a dumping ground for old junk. The Federation doesn't have personnel stationed there.

Republic of Zeon literally could have said "Hey can you just leave us alone if we continue sending you resources. We'd like to continue this arrangement." and Federation's response probably would have been "Okay. We're broke anyway. Saves us money having to send ships and police you."

>>23578557
Yeah what's this obsession with folding Zeon back into the Federation? If anything having Zeon self police themselves saves a lot money. The Federation kept complaining in ZZ and CCA that they were broke and happy when people died.

I thought Roz was a protectorate?

>>23578557
https://gundam.fandom.com/wiki/Granada_Treaty

In short, they're disarmed, but independent. Which probably doesn't mean much.
They're also forced to join the feddies in UC 100 per the treaty.

>>23579171
But do we have any confirmation that actually happened?

The Treaty could be null and void considering the Federation that signed it is not the same Federation anymore. Or one could The Federation Titans violated the terms of the treaty.

>>23578430 (OP)
That's the Sleeves.
>>23578557
Just about any timeline written in the last 15 years is gonna include Zeon rejoining the Federation.

>>23579303
There's nothing state it doesn't happen, go watch Unicorn. I can't disprove a negative.

Go look at f91, crossbone, victory Gundam publications and see what's said of side 3, if anything. The entire point of late UC is to move onto something instead of rehashing zeon over and over.

I imagine there is probably a degree of natural selection going on with everyone who would have acted on negative feelings about it already joining some Zeon remnant and perishing by then.

>>23578430 (OP)
Supposedly that attack on Torrington in Unicorn was the remains of most of Earth based Zeon resistance. Narrative which took place at the same time in Unicorn, but was moved to a year later in its OVA was the last hurrah of space based Zeon resistance. By late U.C. the remaining Zeonic remnants lurked around Mars and Jupiter. Those groups got destroyed right before F91

>>23578430 (OP)
Did you think that there are resistances happened when Hong Kong was returned back to China?

>>23579434
>I can't disprove a negative.
You aren't disproving a negative. Anon is asking for confirmation that it actually happened.

>>23580115
Yes, in 2019.

>>23579434
>There's nothing state it doesn't happen, go watch Unicorn.
Uhh...the whole point of Unicorn is that the Sleeves are fighting against reunification and threatening the Federation with economic sanctions via the threat of Lappace's Box. A mysterious box weapon the Federation doesn't want opened.

And in Gundam NT movie, the Republic of Zeon is still a seperate nation. Mineva is leading them from behind the scenes and shielding them from Federation interference. There is absolutely zero signs that they have rejoined the Federation.

So it's perfectly fair to ask if reunification was still happening.

>>23579472
I don't know why Unicorn acted like there still One Year War Zeon remnants trapped on Earth. Plenty of Zeon remnants could have gone home. Especially during the turmoil of the Gryps War. Either by assuming a false identity or joining the AEUG or Kara a. The AEUG was recruiting Zeon pilots anyway. I'm sure they don't care. There's just absolutely no way they would be trapped on Earth for 16 years.

>>23580756
Real Zeon warriors don’t quit just because the war ended.

>>23580926
You would think the Zeon remnants would have either been eradicated by the Titans. The AEUG didn't appear for 6 years.

Or the Remnants would have upgraded their suits to Hizacks or other stolen tech. There's no way they would stick with Zakus, Goufs, and Doms.

>>23578430 (OP)
Most UC Gundam post-0079 is shit, what were you expecting?

>>23581533

ZZ showed OYW Zeon remnants on Africa, that's probably from where Unicorn pulled it from.

>>23581533
I don't know Japan's obsession with Zeon remnants on Earth. No remnant would hang around for almost 20 years. The soldiers would want to go home.

>>23581771
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_holdout

There were imperial Japanese remnants still engaging in guerrilla warfare in foreign territories up until 30 years after World War 2.

>>23581785
I didn't expect Keroro to do an episode about that

>>23581785
Oh no.

So basically Japanese Otaku have romanticized Zeon remnants because of WW2 holdout?

But isn't Zeon based on WW2 Germany?

This makes no sense.

>>23581771
Whole Japanese units were surrendering in the late 40s and early 50s. Small groups and individuals were surrendering until 1977. These were guys with absolutely no support. Zeon remnants on the other hand were always being covertly supported or supplied by various Neo Zeon groups. It’s easier to tell yourself the war isn’t over as long as there’s some Zeon presence throwing you a bone once in a while.

>>23581903
Spade Zeon remnants makes sense. Space is vast with plenty of hiding places, and lots of leftover old ships that can be renovated with new tech. They have secret logistics support from Anaheim Electronics or Neo Zeon groups.

But Earth-based Zeon remnants make no sense. Earth has only a limited amount of places they could realistically hide with mobile suits. The oceans make no sense because even submarines need a home base to dock and make repairs. The Federation will know about it. Deserts are pointless because nothing is there and sand will mess up mobile suits. Plus lack of food and water. Plus to travel inland, you need air transport which Zeon remnants doesn't have. Who would pay for supplies like food, water, and spare parts for mobile suits? Where are they getting money?

I prefer what Tomino said. That Zeon remnants on Earth all died off in ZZ Gundam. And Char's Neo Zeon was the final last gasp of Zeon in space. 10 to 12 years after the one year war is the limit I think for even the most dedicated die hard soldiers.

Unicorn is already pushing 20 years After the OYW. No way an army stays together that long for no leadership, supplies, or weapons.

>>23582059
Why would you give up? From their perspective between Operation Stardust, Axis Zeon, Neo Zeon, the Sleeves, and the officially recognized Republic of Zeon, the war isn’t over.

>>23582059
>But Earth-based Zeon remnants make no sense. Earth has only a limited amount of places they could realistically hide with mobile suits. The oceans make no sense because even submarines need a home base to dock and make repairs. The Federation will know about it. Deserts are pointless because nothing is there and sand will mess up mobile suits. Plus lack of food and water. Plus to travel inland, you need air transport which Zeon remnants doesn't have. Who would pay for supplies like food, water, and spare parts for mobile suits? Where are they getting money?
Earth was hit with 4 colony drops (Operation British, Stardust, Dublin, & Lhasa), causing the deaths of 500 million people still on Earth from Operation British alone. Then there's the catastrophic ecological damage and mass Minovsky pollution cutting off entire regions from radar & satellite coverage.

Add on to the loss of military database thanks to the attacks on Jaburo, it be pretty easy for Zeon remnants to just hide themselves in a nominally "defunct" EFF base & pretend to be the "lost unit" cut off from the war with bribes to the right officials.

>>23582059
I would imagine that with organized feddie rape gangs burning down villages and shit there would probably be civilians who sympathized with the comparatively tame zeon remnants and might supply them. You can say b-but colony drops but that's more of an impersonal tragedy in comparison for many.

>>23582079
>Why would you give up? From their perspective between Operation Stardust, Axis Zeon, Neo Zeon, the Sleeves, and the officially recognized Republic of Zeon, the war isn’t over.
Because if you are a Zeon commander, not every soldier in your unit is a "Banzai! Fight for 20 years! Never give up!" type of soldiers. Many people are just normal dudes who were drafted to fight in a war.

Sure, they have bonded with everyone in their unit like a brotherhood. But at some point, even the most loyal brothers want to move on with their lives.

>>23582833
You’re missing that Gundam is a show made by Japanese people, the most hardcore combatants of the second world war. Tomino and all those other Sunrise writers grew up during and immediately after the death of Japan’s Imperial ambitions. They grew up with semi-regular stories of Japanese holdouts surrendering years after the fact. Most of these guys were conscripted but they all believed death was preferable to surrender and just kept going.

Sure, Zeon is mostly based of the Third Reich, but it’s not even close to a 1:1 comparison and they obviously take a lot from Japan’s own history.
> Many people are just normal dudes who were drafted to fight in a war.
Weren’t all Zeon soldiers volunteers?

>>23583246
>Weren’t all Zeon soldiers volunteers?
ALL? Heck no. Zeon drafted troops from the population. And, depending on the manga you read, there was punishment for the families of those who tried to avoid the draft.

>>23578430 (OP)
Because all the crazy Contolists are on Mars by now

>>23582425
>Taking Fukui fanfiction as canon

>>23582059
Earth Zeon was working with local anti Federation insurgency. There is more than one group of people who dislikes the Federation

>>23583631
there's a feddie rape gang in okouchi's 08th ms novel

>>23583633
>anti Federation insurgency
What?

What is this?

Why haven't I heard of this?

>>23583638
>there's a feddie rape gang in okouchi's 08th ms novel
I'm not saying r4pe doesn't happen in war. But I don't understand the thought process of Japanese writers. Why did they add that?

They didnt add cool shit like brand new mobile suits or weapons. No amazing ground battles between Zeon and the Federation witb both sides pushing back and forth. No new secret weapons we missed out in the anime. Just...r4pe? That's what they added?

Of ALL the things they could add...this is what they added to the novel?

>>23583667

The African Independence Front and its Blue Corps from Mobile Suit Gundam ZZ.

>>23583669
At least it's not NTR this time, but then again, this was an accurate depiction of a long-distance relationship during war...

>>23583706
She married a draft dodger? Shameless.

>>23580756
>implying trapped
They decided to become illegal immigrants at some point. Like, who the fuck would want to go back to colonies when given a choice?

>>23583669
okouchi has about 3 go-to plot points and one of them is rape

>>23583669
>they could make soldiers look like heroes but instead they show them as people that can plunder and pillage
Gee, I don't know why that's what they added.
I guess they could torture Kiki non-sexually, just for "fun" to have roughly the same point.

>>23583732
>Like, who the fuck would want to go back to colonies when given a choice?
But you have all those Zeon troops whining in 08th MS team about wanting to go back home and how much they can't wait to go back home.

Did Char give Geara Dogas to Zeon Remnants on Earth?

>>23583826
no, he didn't even pick up all of the survivors from haman's faction

each faction is on its own, if they're willing to help then they help each other (e.g., delaz fleet and axis zeon) but if they wanna kill each other then they're gonna kill each other (Haman and glemy civil war, mars zeon vs puru zeon)

>>23583809
During the war? I bet.
After the war? Nah.

>>23578430 (OP)
>Republic of Zeon giving up their independence and joining back Federation
DId that actually happen?

>>23586164
Republic of Zeon is no longer a thing by the time of Hathaway's Flash.

>>23586250
>>23586164
It was never confirmed. So we have no idea if Zeon reunited or not.

>>23583667
There's supposedly a lot of anti-EFF terrorists after the OYW that the Federation couldn't completely get rid of that highlighted the Federation's waning power. Most of that resistance is concentrated is in North Africa and South-East Asia.

Then you had the sleeper cells of Neo-Zeon and OYW Zeon soldiers that hide their equipment away and pretended to live normal lives until the call to Torrington happened.

>>23583732
Basically the original purpose of the creation of the Man Hunters which became Titans-Lite by the time of CCA and onward where being deported to the shithole colonies was held over the head of natural born Earthnoids to keep them in line.

>>23578430 (OP)
The Zeon Remnant is all but depleted by the end of Unicorn. The Sleeves are literally whatever they can cobble together, and buy on the sly from Anaheim. As of the end of ZZ and Axis they have no real capability to build new MS anymore.

Who the fuck is left to start a scuffle?

>>23586358
This makes no sense since the Titans purged Earth of Zeon resistance.

>>23586387
>As of the end of ZZ and Axis they have no real capability to build new MS anymore.
>Who the fuck is left to start a scuffle?
Nah. They still had some capability left in CCA. The Alpha Azieru was built by Neo Zeon. And all of Char's ships were built by Neo Zeon as well.

>>23586416
I'm gonna have to go all zeoncaust denier on you and ask source?

>>23586422
Does manga count? Because they were bragging about getting rid of Zeon remnants and having Republic of Zeon under strict control and observation. Even ordinary Zeon citizens were wondering if the Titans had gone too far.

>>23586429
just wanting to know, which manga? there's so little titans material (well besides AoZ)

IIRC F90FF manga also show some zeon OYW MS still operating on earth

>>23586429

Bah!

The mangas can't decide how much control the Titans really had. One manga has the Titans constantly reacting to Zeon uprisings all over the place and acting surprised all the time.

Another manga like Char's Deleted Affair shows the Titans having agents on the ground and watching civilians like some sort of Secret Police and being super informed of everything going on.

Make up your mind Bandai.

>>23586467
This is true. Zeta Define is another manga that can't decide how big the Titans really are. Apparently the Titans don't have a space fleet in Zeta Define. They only have a handful of ships and just use their authority to order regular Federation ships to support them. All Titans space battles are very small skirmishes between a tiny handful of ships. The Titans constantly get their asses kicked in Zeta Define. And you have Bask yelling at Anaheim Electronics about the the Marasai being too expensive and the Titans not being made of money. Like wtf? Why is Bask worrying about small scale stuff like the Marasai being too pricey for them? The anime literally shows the Titans spending money no problem. They were happy to build massive space fleets and buy mass production suits like Marasai, or Barzam. Plus all those prototype suits.

>>23586475
Zeta Define should just be called "Bullying the Titans for 150 chapters". Because that's all they do. Every main and side character from the anime appear and team up to beat up Titans. I don't think the Titans got a single win in that Manga.

>>23583669
Next time we'll get brand new mobile suits that can also rape people, just you watch

>>23586475
Being stingy for every penny makes you rich.

>>23583669
>Why did they add that?
Because rape is hot. Duh.

>>23586475
Yeah, it seems really weird because its completely at odds with the anime. We know they had tons of ships and MS, with several major bases as well.

>>23586353
The thing I don't get, is why anyone cares about Republic of Zeon at all? It is basically a non-entity that does jack shit, in comparison to other entities like Axis Zeon, Char's Neo Zeon, Mars Zeon, etc.
>>23586416
You literally see a bunch of the Zeon remnants like Rommel Corps in ZZ.
Titans couldn't even get local terrorists like Karaba.

>>23586981
>You literally see a bunch of the Zeon remnants like Rommel Corps in ZZ.
If Char's Deleted Affair is supposed to be believed, then most Zeon remnants went into hiding during the Gryps War.

Or if you believe Gundam Evolve, they temporarily joined Karaba and the AEUG to fight to Titans.

>>23587096
Then they sure as fuck didn't purge the earth did they?

>>23587096
And if F90 Cluster (~2 years before F91) is to be believed they formed a Pan-African Liberation alliance with Karaba and Titans remnants to fight Manhunters.

>>23587127
fucking titans remnants? why the fuck are they on the side of the spacenoid lovers?

>>23587129
Oligarchs are trying to turn Earth into private resorts buying the land and relocating the locals.
You can say that they are fighting against forced spacenoidification of the populace.

>>23587140
...which, by the way, is funny, because Jamitov's plan was to bankrupt Earth Federation and turn Earth into a shithole, so that everyone would naturally move into space.

>>23587105
I wasn't the anon who said it, but the Titans did a pretty good job. I wouldn't call a handful of old Zeon mobile suits hiding in Africa a true Zeon remnant. They ended getting defeated by a bunch of kids. So they must not really be much of a threat.

>>23587105
>>23587096
>>23586981
If Zeon remnants abandon the Zeon flag and join Karaba, then they aren't Zeon remnants anymore.

>>23587159
They usually don't abandon their flag, they just run another one alongside it.

With all the deaths during oyw and the following conflicts, would it have made more sense to migrate more people from the colonies back to earth?

>>23587232
No because the Earth government want Earth depopulated and only reserved for elites and their families.

>>23587169
I'm pretty sure if any Zeon leaders like Giren or Kycillia were alive, they would call that being a traitor.

>>23588355
I'm pretty sure that if any Zeon leaders like Gihren or Kycilia were alive, they wouldn't join other causes.
That said, Zabi family were the original traitors in the first place, so who cares what they would say? The actual icon of spacenoids, Char Deikun was completely fine with that.

>>23587251
It wasn't just elites. The the right to stay on Earth becomes a pork industry itself. You see plenty of poor people on Earth

>>23587127
Manhunters are just hired goons with occasional military surplus gear and that's why Mafty doesn't really fight them even though that's what the populace would rather see. These new F90 mangas are pretty retarded

>>23583669
What you don't like dark and mature story-telling?

>>23588482
The novels are for expanding the universe and adding things that aren't possible in a short anime.

>>23586421
The Musaka class iirc was designed in such a way that older oyw shipyards set up for the Musai could build them. Which unless that was retconned is a really neat little lore tidbit. The Rewloola and Alpha Azieru are genuine Zeon shiny new shit though, unless I'm missing some new lore development. They're impressive for how small chars neo zeon actually was, but even that's a far cry from the stuff they were concocting during ZZ.

>>23588482
>What you don't like dark and mature story-telling?
> Let's add Rape and have the underage girl kill herself afterward
>Am I'm cool and mature yet?
Even Tomino was never that edgy when in his kill them all mood swings.

>>23583669
It's really more writers lashing out against the American bases in Japan and using the Federation as a proxy for America.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/apr/24/us-marines-investigated-alleged-rape-military-base-okinawa-japan

>>23588470
That is consistent with the way tthat they are presented in the said manga, what's your point?

>>23586429
Fascists tend to be full of shit my guy.

Which frankly also applies to whatever Neo Zeon ever says about their capabilities and goals, so whatever. Liars all the way down.