Thread 23580991

How do you fix it?

take it to a mechanic

>>23580991 (OP)
Beam treads

>>23580992
Unsung hero this guy.

>>23580991 (OP)
Like so, tbqh

>>23580991 (OP)
Stack more tank treads on top.

Spherical or huge wheels

>>23580991 (OP)
Allow it to combine with the G-Armor for a prototype Dendrobium.

>>23580991 (OP)
Being able to lean down like RTX-440 would make it much less retarded

>>23580991 (OP)
Make it a tank-type mobile armor, instead of a glorified pseudo-MS with larger armaments.

1. At the minimum double its size, and plate it with capital ship tier armor, so that it's at least as durable as a MS-sized tank. Then when you put it up against overwhelming firepower, the Gundam and Guncannon can use it as mobile cover. Hell, even add a vehicle compartment to the back so that it can carry troop transports, assault teams, and the like.

2. Mount multiple point-defense vulcans all over, so that it can shrug off missile attacks with ease. I would also say I-Field generator to protect it against beam attacks, but that may be going over the top, especially since Zeon didn't actually adopt beam weapons until well late into the war.

3. Upgrade the back cannons to capital ship style beam cannons with the same firepower as a Salamis' beam turrets. This way when the enemy brings ships like Gaws and Gallops into the fight, the Guntank can shoot them down.

If it's going to be called a Guntank, then sure as hell it'd better be as powerful as a tank upscaled to MS proportions.

>>23580991 (OP)
You can’t. Tank type mobile suits like the Guntank and Hildolfr were obsolete the minute they rolled off the production line.
There’s a reason the Zaku tank is more of a field modified stopgap than a production model.

Properly utilise the core block system

>>23580991 (OP)

>>23581064
>>23581917
Based core block system enjoyers

>>23581918
>Guntank torso with Guncannon arms
This looks good.

>>23580991 (OP)
Ditch the treads and give it hover capabilities

>>23581907
>You can’t. Tank type mobile suits like the Guntank and Hildolfr were obsolete the minute they rolled off the production line.
Yeah, threads aren't cutting it, wheels of middle ages and the tradition of driving is where it really is!

>>23581989
Wasn’t Tomino planning to have a Gigan destroy the Gundam before their episodes got cut down?

>>23582012
Yes.

Thunderbolt Guntank is pretty decent take on it, point defense/art/APC/IFV

>>23582012
THAT was going to kill Gundam? Was Amuro supposed to get RX-78-3 after that or something?

>>23582102
Amuro was supposed to die in Sayla's bush.

>>23582102
No. He dies to a Gigan in the original draft. IIRC he dies in the novel when a few Rick Doms gang up on him.

>>23582012
Sometimes you see those early changes in the script where you think "oh yeah, the whole franchise would've died in the crib if they went with that".

What makes Guntank idea so resilient in universe?
It would be understandable if it was just a one off, but you have:
>RX-75 Guntank
>RMV-1 Guntank II
>RMV-3 Guntank III
>RX-75 Guntank Mass Production Type
>RX-75 Berge Guntank
>RX-75E Local Type Guntank
>RTX-440 Ground Assault Type Guntank
>RTX-440-B Ground Assault Type Guntank Type B
>RMV-3M Local Control Type Guntank
And then there were Loto and its descendants GF-Tank and Guntank R-44.
Honestly, it feels like there are way more direct descendants of Guntank than Guncannon and Guncannon actually got an active niche in MS combat.

>>23584333
wasted trips. It's a tank with guns on it dude, what do you expect?

>>23584442
>It's a tank with guns on it dude
As opposed to a tank without guns on it?
>what do you expect?
I expect basic literacy from people that reply to my posts. I know what tanks do and done historically, my question was about tank-ish robots in a universe, where giant humanoid two-legged robots on battlefield isn't a retarded idea, but a main way to wage a war.
If you'd ask me, I'd say that the real reason why Tomino hated G-Fighter isn't because it is toyetic, but because G-Sky and G-Bull undermine the giant robot premise by being actually good traditional weapons on a supposedly changed battlefield.

>>23584333
They have their own version of Mike Sparks and unlike real life people in the military actually listen to him no matter how retarded his ideas are.

>>23580991 (OP)
Done

>>23584582
>I expect basic literacy from people that reply to my posts.
k fine
>>23584582
>G-Sky and G-Bull undermine the giant robot premise by being actually good traditional weapons on a supposedly changed battlefield.
>G-Sky
A gimmicky machine that replaces cockpit and twin beam cannons of a large fighter-bomber with a smaller docked aircraft and the legs and lower torso of a mobile suit. IIRC the G-sky has the Core Fighters missiles and whatever weaponry the G-fighter has, minus the turret. So the G-fighter now has to carry the mass of the Gundams legs internally (for no apparent purpose) AND it loses the G-fighter's primary weapon
>G-Bull
brother this thing is retarded. It has the exposed engines of the Core Fighter facing the enemy. These cannot be armored. It has TWO cockpits. It has the torso of, head, and arms of the Gundam that has to lug around which serve no purpose in this configuration other than to hold the Gundam's shields, which if it were in G-fighter configuration it wouldn't need because it would be an agile aerospaceplane. It lacks the mobility of the Gundam, it lacks the armor of Guntank, and is overly complex for no apparent reason.

They were right to replace the G-fighter with the Core Booster in the movies. The Core Booster is a much more effective mobile weapon, has beam weapons, and makes doesn't have to lug around mobile suit parts for to be a stupid tank or a shitty plane.

>>23580991 (OP)
Like RXR-44 Guntank

>>23582102
>>23582148
>>23582332
He doesn't die in the draft. He makes out of the Gundam's wreckage, gets through some Zeon soldiers then personally kills Gihren with a gun, and then makes it back to the White Base crew in a scene similar to the actual ending of the tv show.

GQX fixed everything that needed fixing with the Guntank

>>23584904
Mounting the arms on the guns is dumb.

>>23584919
There's a reason for it though, see that lower drawing, which shows the arms can be lifted by the cannons, giving them a higher firing angle (which could be combined with cover).

>>23582102
>>23582148
>>23582332
>>23584891
https://www.gundamunofficial.com/archive/tominomemo.html
>Translator's note: For some reason, many Japanese fans seem to interpret this version of the story as ending with Amuro's death, like Tomino's novels. I've tried to translate the key passages as faithfully as possible, and to me it seems at best ambiguous. After finishing off the Gigan, the wrecked Gundam flies out of A Baoa Qu before it explodes, and is greeted by cheers from the White Base crew. As Amuro loses consciousness, he says he will play with Lalah "tomorrow," which seems tonally similar to his last line in the animation.

It could go either way. As >>23584891 says, Amuro physically escapes A Baoa Qu in the Core Fighter to safety with the rest of the White Base crew. He loses consciousness, which you could interpret as just being completely exhausted from the battle and everything else that has happened. You could also interpret Amuro's thoughts with Lalah to imply that (Amuro thinks) he's dying and willingly submits himself to the afterlife with Lalah. You could interpret "tomorrow" as being any indefinite length of time if you also believe ghosts persist indefinitely and therefore any normal descriptive unit of time is meaningless to a consciousness living in purgatory\between planes of existence who will never age and could wait forever to reunite with Amuro.

In other words, it's exactly as open an ending as it needs to be. Don't explicitly kill off the main character in case they get offered to create a sequel, and the ambiguous fade out drives fan discussion, at least for a while.

>>23584923
That's not meant to be a higher firing angle, it's meant to use the arms as a makeshift crane, which is dumb.

>>23584952
this is gundam, they will invent scenarios to take advantage of this, for some stupid fucking reason all buildings are perfect height to use as cover and forests are always tall enough to hide mobile suits yet never dense enough to prevent a mobile suit from walking through it

a guntank using the cannons to raise the gun arms higher to fire at an enemy from behind cover isn't even the weirdest scenario in animation

>>23580991 (OP)
Give it 4 modes of transformation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2VWZR92PwI&t=571s

>>23581907
It's really funny watching '79 and seeing just how useless the guntank is in basically every engagement
It's especially hilarious during the battle of solomon where they decided to just have the fucking thing float in space and randomly have a small cut of its treads being blown to bits amid all the destruction
Just a pure humiliation ritual mobile suit, no wonder hayato had such low self esteem

>>23584333
it's cheap
also you don't really need much mobility for artillery/anti air jobs

>>23584983
08th MS team was a blight on the franchise. I'll gladly take the worst animated parts of the New Yark fight over Mobile Suits pretending they can sneak around.

>>23584750
I agree, the tank mode has a real benefit here, reducing the vertical profile to absolute minimum, and it can fill a few combat roles not covered by usual MSes

>>23584333
Much like the kajillion Zaku variants I think it's the EF equivalent of trying to solve certain problems and as such only making a tiny handful of particular prototypical units, only to abandon them for reasons related to performance, cost, complexity, or mounting evidence of obsolescence. The EF is run by old farts, so it'd also make some sense that they'd try to keep the idea alive even if evidence was mounting that it wasn't salvageable.

>>23585077
B-but legs are just for the show...

>>23584862
I'm getting Mandela effect with this one. I remember seeing light blue R-44 with different armament, but can't find it anywhere.

>>23580991 (OP)
Paint it purple and put a zeon logo on it.

>>23584333
For land based battles it makes more sense than any guncannon variant, much more stable firing platform, it doesn't have to engage against attacks from every angle and at the desired engagement range it's lack of any close combat ability is just fine. It should never have been allowed into space.

>>23585070
Thats a really fucking cool AC gundam kitbash. Technically ACVI had this thing.

>>23581930
Neat idea.

>>23584862
I never understood why this thing was considered a "failed mobile suit".

There's nothing to fix.

>>23580991 (OP)
Turn it into a construction crane like zeon did.

08th fixed it enough. It looks more like a plausible military vehicle but still has the colors of the original

>>23580991 (OP)
Turn it into a Guncannon.

Use this

>>23596928
came to post this
it's not a realistic feasible weapon of warfare, but giant robots in general aren't
this just makes it look nicer

>>23584891
Was the duel with Char still in that draft?

>>23599938
The swordfight? Nah, not in there. They'd have had a mobile suit battle in ep 50, with Char protecting the Solar Ray long enough for it to be fired on the Federation fleet. He then limps back to Side 3 and gets promoted to Admiral for his troubles in ep 51, then finally ends up helping Amuro take out Gihren in ep 52

>>23596928
I'd say moving the launchers to wrist mounted and adding a standard MS manipulator so it can hold guns would be the only improvement to this design that I could suggest, works fine as a heavy artillery suit

>>23580991 (OP)
A lot of people rightfully point out how useless it was in 0079, but forget to mention that it was because Hayato was piloting it 80% of the time, both Amuro and Ryu made decent use of it

>>23603505
There's actually a Japanese artist who made an excellent shitpost drawing along these lines but it's absolutely buried in my files.

>>23580991 (OP)
It's fine as is.

>>23580991 (OP)
Add psycommu

>>23580991 (OP)
Fix?

>>23603491
Wasn't feeling this design much until it shows craning capabilities. Still could use a actual 'head'.

Anti Funnel technology created from Minovskys tribe.

>>23580991 (OP)
At White Base

>>23608996
This.

>>23580991 (OP)
Paint it red and give it to Char.

>>23615514
Shut up, Lalah.

>>23580991 (OP)
FranXX style piloting.
The woman controls the treads and the man controls the... canons