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Anonymous No.23592224 [Report] >>23592254 >>23592302 >>23592464 >>23592490 >>23592532 >>23593515 >>23600408 >>23605146 >>23605480
Gundam Wiki
Will it ever be good?
Anonymous No.23592237 [Report]
no
Anonymous No.23592239 [Report]
yes
Anonymous No.23592245 [Report] >>23592589
Not while that Balofo faggot is still there.
Anonymous No.23592254 [Report]
>>23592224 (OP)
Just use the French one.
Anonymous No.23592280 [Report]
>wiki autism
fuck off
Anonymous No.23592302 [Report] >>23592319 >>23592443 >>23592598 >>23593328
>>23592224 (OP)
What is wrong with it? I like wikis, they are highly necessary.
Anonymous No.23592319 [Report] >>23592365 >>23592370 >>23592446 >>23592531 >>23592568 >>23593071 >>23593463
>>23592302
The wiki editors are autistic and refuse to post information from staff members and Directors shared on social media or interviews. They directors will say something on social media about a Gundam series they worked on, but the wiki editors will scream that it doesn't count and only databooks count. Even when the Directors reveal new information only on social media.

Some Gundam Directors even make fun of the databooks on social media. They say databooks are just for fun and not meant to be taken seriously. Or that if the anime contradicts the databooks, the Gundam Director will say that the Databook is wrong and they shouldn't listen to a book.

Gundam Seed Director Mitsuo Fukuda is a recent example. He gave a lot of fan interviews promoting Gundam Seed Freedom and made posts on social media. But almost none of the information was shared on the wiki because the editors say it doesn't count.
Anonymous No.23592365 [Report] >>23592540
>>23592319
And yet we have Sunrise overwriting Tomino's words regarding G-Reco's placement...
Anonymous No.23592370 [Report] >>23592408 >>23592525 >>23592540
>>23592319
Sounds based. Fuck social media and the braindead pricks that obsess over it.
Anonymous No.23592408 [Report] >>23592430 >>23592441
>>23592370
Databooks are even worse. You have these Otaku who obsess over it. Even though the databooks say mobile suits weigh less than a WW2 tank. Yet we see Zakus stomping tanks into pancakes.
Anonymous No.23592430 [Report] >>23592525
>>23592408
Still less gay than a twatter post.
Anonymous No.23592441 [Report]
>>23592408
Why do databooks matter? Just go wit what is shown on screen. Problem solved.
Anonymous No.23592443 [Report]
>>23592302
People under control of it really like control.
Anonymous No.23592446 [Report] >>23592460 >>23592531 >>23592540
>>23592319
I'll have to stand with the wiki faggots on this nitpick of yours. Sunrise/Bandai official material is what counts. Staff members word of mouth, specially after the work is done, are informal curiosities.
Anonymous No.23592460 [Report]
>>23592446
>Sunrise/Bandai official material is what counts. Staff members word of mouth, specially after the work is done, are informal curiosities.
Not that anon but please elaborate. Why is one more important than the other?
Anonymous No.23592464 [Report] >>23592700
>>23592224 (OP)
They deleted the entire Ball Type K entry because the editor didn't like that it had a 180mm gun. No explanation given. Just deleted the entire weapons section and replaced it with "Double cannon" with no further explanation. The admin who controls the page won't let anyone change it back.
Anonymous No.23592490 [Report] >>23592507 >>23592520
>>23592224 (OP)
Most wiki sites are run by retards.
Anonymous No.23592507 [Report] >>23593753
>>23592490
This
Anonymous No.23592520 [Report] >>23592524 >>23592525
>>23592490
True, but not accepting social media horseshit is not retarded behavior.
Anonymous No.23592524 [Report]
>>23592520
It should still be mentioned on wiki.
Anonymous No.23592525 [Report]
>>23592370
>>23592430
>>23592520
You're such an loser KEK
Anonymous No.23592531 [Report] >>23592539 >>23593591
>>23592446
How stupid. Staff members ARE part of Bandai. There is no difference.

>>23592319
Is this about when Fukuda said on X that Kira killed everyone in the Seed movie with Mighty Strike Freedom's lightning attack? That there were no enemy survivors from the Battle of the Moon.

Then wiki editors demanded databook proof as if the Director stating it himself isn't proof enough.
Anonymous No.23592532 [Report] >>23592549
>>23592224 (OP)
As a general rule of thumb all fandom wikis are fucking garbage, never use them.
Anonymous No.23592539 [Report]
>>23592531
I think it's when the wiki editors got upset that the the Proud Defender has its own nuclear reactor built inside it according to Fukuda on social media. Thus Mighty Strike Freedom has 2 nuclear reactors to power the weapons. It wasn't mentioned in the databooks which made the wiki editors upset.
Anonymous No.23592540 [Report] >>23593591 >>23593781
>>23592446
>>23592370
What about staff video interviews included in the official Bluray release? Why can't those be included in the wiki? The wiki staff don't let people use that as a source either. They only allow databooks.


>>23592365
I don't think they retconned Tomino.
Anonymous No.23592546 [Report]
hah, sucks to suck, but I've seen them question databook scans and refuse to allow changes to pages
Anonymous No.23592549 [Report] >>23592552 >>23592565
>all this bitching and moaning
Why don't you anons make your own Gundam wiki like how Ultrafags made two because they couldn't get along?
>>23592532
According to who? I use them all the time and the decently maintained ones are very helpful when I need to look things up.
Anonymous No.23592552 [Report] >>23592557
>>23592549
I can't be fucked to do that, that's like saying "make your own anime if the latest gundam sucked"
Anonymous No.23592557 [Report]
>>23592552
I maintain a wikia, most of the problem is figuring out how to code. After that you just do the original research and boom, you got a rhythm. It's a learning process.
Anonymous No.23592565 [Report] >>23593514
>>23592549
/m/ made their own wikia at one point to archive shit Wikipedia was deleting. then it got abandoned by all but one guy. We need to face it, post-Valverave /m/ got so high on shitposting we don't want to do anything constructive anymore.
Anonymous No.23592568 [Report] >>23592589 >>23593068 >>23593071
>>23592319
>The wiki editors are autistic and refuse to post information from staff members and Directors shared on social media or interviews.
Sounds a lot like Wikizilla, the staff there horde rare japanese books and don't upload any info from them, wiki's as a concept seem doomed to fail because people are either mentally ill and or too lazy to actually uphold information.
Anonymous No.23592589 [Report] >>23593071
>>23592568
Problem with Gundam wiki is that data book information that doesn't align with their head canon gets nuked. They don't know how to source or write up conflicting information properly.

>>23592245
He doesn't have supreme control anymore? Even that faggot realized it is was a futile effort. Then again his shit contributions didn't give it anymore credit anyway
Anonymous No.23592593 [Report]
They refuse to list ALC Encounter so no
Anonymous No.23592598 [Report]
>>23592302
>they are highly necessary.
The internet worked just fine before wikis and if they vanished tomorrow they would still work fine. Things were better when shit was scattered on countless forums and fan sites.
Anonymous No.23592700 [Report]
>>23592464
They kept Eri and Suletta’s pages linked and treated them as the same person well after the S1 finale because “it would be lazy writing if it wasn’t true”
Anonymous No.23593068 [Report] >>23593334
>>23592568
Wikis as a concept ONLY work when you well adjusted normal people in charge. Unfortunately almost all of these people have better things to do. But I was one of those rare people who decided to give it a try.

I'm speaking from experience. I used to run a comicbook forum, website, and a run comicbook wikia. I tried my absolute best. Really. I did. I was 18 years old and had a lot of free time in college. I liked reading comics as a kid.

So I thought running websites, Wikis, and forums for other comic fans would be fun. That I could share ideas with other comic fans. Man was I wrong!

Despite my best efforts, it was an immense uphill battle. I could not believe the sheer immaturity I witnessed on a daily basis. These massive arguments that 30, 40, and 50 year old people would get into about the comic characters. For example, Intense debates that would go on for dozens of pages about "Hulk VS Thor" , and constant insults and snide remarks being thrown around. Not only about who would win, but also how the website should write about them.

Constant messages demanding I change the website and wiki pages. Accusations of me being biased. Constant "all caps lock" screaming matches that would go on for days that I would have to break up. People constantly questioning my authority and knowledge.

I discovered...I was wrangling a bunch of idiots and retards. These people had mental problems. Every single day I would get back from class and there would be dozens of private messages and notifications from users. For 2 years I did this in my spare time. Managing all of it. Writing wiki pages for comic book characters, moderating the comic forum, etc. I was getting migraines and it was affecting my grades.

So one I just walked away. I shut everything down, except the forum, and walked away. I gave control of the forum to a long time user and just left. I still get PTSD. You 40 and 50 year olds should be ashamed with how you act. You made a 19 year old give up.
Anonymous No.23593071 [Report] >>23593113
>>23592589
>>23592568
>>23592319
I feel like the problem here is stuff like what people consider as "canon", which causes a lot of autism.
Anonymous No.23593113 [Report] >>23593168 >>23597328
>>23593071
Its less about Canon and more "who had the most authority to make a decision? "

If there's a conflict, Which do you believe more:

1. A side story manga written 10 to 15 years ago

2. Or staff members giving interviews and those interviews getting shared online?
Anonymous No.23593168 [Report] >>23593307
>>23593113
Honestly, I'd personally go with the latter, like with the case of Kira killing everyone during Moon battle, but there are inherent problems to both, and I think they should be accommodated equally. Some nerds consider the directors' opinions as more important, while others look at the "official" books released by the IP holders. This is the problem with fictional shows, after all, they are fiction. In cases of clear conflict, like whether MS tonnage listed in databook is canon or not, both evidence should be listed as it's still an "official" take on the canon, and the reader can then decide on what they'll believe. Some side releases might have a lot of influence from the original staff, while others have none - and in both cases, the information or opinions might have changed.
For example, in 0079, the North American city where Garma died is unknown to us, as the show never told us where it happened. There have been many different conflicting accounts about this from booklets to games to side stories, ranging from Seattle to Las vegas to New York, and I don't know what Tomino has ever said about it.
Anonymous No.23593307 [Report] >>23593367 >>23593400
>>23593168
What is your opinion on Director Fukuda dismissing Gundam Seed Astray and saying it's not real Gundam Seed because he wasn't involved in its writing? A Japanese fan asked him if Kira was copying Lowe's katana from Seed Astray and it slightly annoyed Fukuda. So he dismissed Astray.
Anonymous No.23593328 [Report]
>>23592302
You have to watch out for ones like Tokupedia who want to absorb every tangentially toku-based wiki and litter it with autistic associations, spam, and stolen fanart. They kicked out one guy named Aldo who made their image look bad, but turns out the rest of them aren't too much better.
Anonymous No.23593334 [Report]
>>23593068
This. Unfortunately FANDOM likes to penalize wiki runners who try to lock pages for vandalism, as you're "silencing the community".
Kirkburn is a notorious ghoul who even said some wikiturds wishing rape and tire necktie immolation on one admin were entitled to their freedom of speech, when the admin pointed out that violated FANDOM's own rules.
Anonymous No.23593345 [Report] >>23593349 >>23593361
all you fags do is complain
contributing is too hard, right?
Anonymous No.23593349 [Report]
>>23593345
It is when such entitled assholes are in charge.
Anonymous No.23593361 [Report] >>23593364 >>23593374
>>23593345
I can't even contribute. The wiki locked down all the pages. Only trusted admins can edit it
Anonymous No.23593364 [Report]
>>23593361
'member when they insisted Wakkein's name was Gene, and Jean is Gene?
Anonymous No.23593367 [Report] >>23593651
>>23593307
I mean, he's right in that it's not Gundam Seed as he envisions it, as it was not produced with his involvement. He envisioned and lead the production and writing of Gundam Seed, and his word does matter in things like this. However, it is still part of the Gundam Seed franchise, and Astray does need to be taken into account at least in wikis. If the story of Astray doesn't affect the later entries that Fukuda was involved with, than we can consider it as a separate entity that is technically part of Seed franchise, if one wants to consider it as such, but isn't necessary on the wider scale of things, aka "non-canon".
Just like all the sequels to Jaws could be said to not be "real Jaws" as Spielberg wasn't involved with them, but we can't deny that they aren't part of the Jaws movie franchise, and that they shouldn't be included when discussing the franchise and its story. It doesn't mean that they are canon to the first movie, or that you should treat them as such, but they are still important enough to be taken into consideration when discussing the franchise.

Sorry if my reply is a little convoluted, I'm a little tired right now. Hopefully you get what I mean by this.
Anonymous No.23593374 [Report]
>>23593361
Lies
Anonymous No.23593400 [Report] >>23593445
>>23593307
If that's the case, then GQx isn't apart of UC along with any of the other extensive timelines that play into earlier works. Shit just needs to be taken case by case which these people are too lazy to parse through and understand. Staff members can be fags too.
Anonymous No.23593445 [Report] >>23593472 >>23593473
>>23593400
Gundam wiki insists that Thunderbolt is canon to original UC timeline. They even merged the UC timeline page to include both on a single page.
Anonymous No.23593463 [Report]
>>23592319
That's pretty fucking stupid. The articles should have sections labelled something like "creator commentary" at least.
Anonymous No.23593472 [Report] >>23593536
>>23593445
Blame Deacon for that one
Anonymous No.23593473 [Report] >>23593498
>>23593445
Huh?

https://gundam.fandom.com/wiki/Universal_Century

It's clearly not part of the main UC timeline. It's listed as alternate UC like GQX.
Anonymous No.23593498 [Report]
>>23593473
You are looking at the wrong page. Go to the One Year War timeline page. The events of Gundam Thunderbolt are included with the main UC timeline
Anonymous No.23593514 [Report]
>>23592565
There's the slight issue of the one guy being a pedophile. No wonder nobody wants to contribute.
Anonymous No.23593515 [Report]
>>23592224 (OP)
Sure, if it didn't throttle and load like shit.
Anonymous No.23593524 [Report] >>23593536 >>23593543
Anyone remember years ago when Gundam wikia would literally copy and paste from MAHQ? Literally Gundam wikia plagiarised word for word from MAHQ
Anonymous No.23593536 [Report]
>>23593524
They still do, only they don't link back to MAHQ anymore.

>>23593472
More like Sunrise. They change it every month. Then again, it's not like the anime contradicts anything. Manga sure does. Deacon didn't do shit. It's not like his word matters anyway
Anonymous No.23593543 [Report] >>23593619
>>23593524
Mahq? Does that garbage still ecist?
Anonymous No.23593591 [Report] >>23593665 >>23593781
>>23592531
>How stupid. Staff members ARE part of Bandai.
Not all of them. A lot of directors and writers are freelancers and after a project is finished their opinions aren't official anymore.
>>23592540
>What about staff video interviews included in the official Bluray release?
That should count, yes, as it's included and endorsed in an official product.
Anonymous No.23593619 [Report]
>>23593543
Despite being a zombie site for a decade and a half? Yes. The owner kept his echo chamber secure.
Anonymous No.23593621 [Report] >>23593624 >>23593896
Can't you guy make your own Gundam Wikia or use the /m/ one to copy paste shit so there is accuracy?
Anonymous No.23593624 [Report] >>23593658 >>23593662 >>23593727 >>23593876 >>23593896
>>23593621
Read the rules on the /m/ wikia, Yapool won't allow Gundam stuff because the Gundam Wikia exists. He might rescind if someone could give him a strong enough argument? Although I haven't seen him active there anymore since he started that Geno Cyber page a while back.
Anonymous No.23593651 [Report] >>23593659 >>23594433
>>23593367
NTA but I think this hits on something that a lot of types of western nerds suck at, which is taking something in its original creative context. People get into this wiki-brained mindset where they can only see something as a series of data points in a fictional chronology. You could be, I dunno, discussing the creative decision to give Amuro the Re-GZ at the start of CCA and someone will say 'that's dumb when they could've given him [ten mobile suits that didn't exist for a real world decade or came from MSVs none of the core team had anything much to do with]'. And that's fine if we're discussing the in-universe events, but really fucking unhelpful if we're talking about the film CCA.
Like I think we'd all agree it'd be incredibly dumb to watch 0079, trying to understand the events as a prequel to Unicorn, seeing Tem Ray as an unknowing pawn of the Vist Foundation and the current state of the Earth Sphere all because someone stole the declaration of space independence. So I don't know why someone would call say, the Gundam MK2 bad not based on what we see on-screen in Zeta and ZZ, but on kit manuals 20 years later trying to one-up it to make other mobile suits sound cooler.
Anonymous No.23593658 [Report] >>23593659 >>23594053
>>23593624
Nothing stopping someone from making a miraheze or something. Would better to divorce the site from fandom as much as possible. Not gonna be me though. I simply don't care enough.
Anonymous No.23593659 [Report] >>23593660
>>23593658
>I simply don't care enough.
Well someone has to care enough. The Fandom is tainted by the horrendous Gundam wikia.

>>23593651
>You could be, I dunno, discussing the creative decision to give Amuro the Re-GZ at the start of CCA and someone will say 'that's dumb when they could've given him [ten mobile suits that didn't exist for a real world decade

Is this even a thing? I always thought based on the context of the movie that Londo Bell was kept on a tight leash. They were only allowed 3 ships and only basic mobile suits. No Gundams.
Anonymous No.23593660 [Report]
>>23593659
Yeah, I've seen people argue 'even if they didn't give him his Zeta or help him with the Nu, he could've at least used X or Y, or kept Z from this manga' type stuff. It was also just an example off the top of my head to demonstrate the principle.
Anonymous No.23593662 [Report]
>>23593624
Why are you talking about yourself, Duel?
Anonymous No.23593665 [Report]
>>23593591
>That should count, yes, as it's included and endorsed in an official product.
And yet it's still not allowed on the wikia. They demand written databooks only.
Anonymous No.23593727 [Report]
>>23593624

There's a BlazBlue wiki not under Fandom.

https://blazblue.fandom.com/wiki/BlazBlue_Wiki

https://blazblue.wiki/wiki/Main_Page

As to why there are two wikis, romanization issues. If that be the case, why not make another Gundam wiki not under the Fandom umbrella if it's over what sources that can be used? Heck, there's even a Bible Black wiki not under the Fandom umbrella
Anonymous No.23593753 [Report] >>23593785 >>23593825 >>23593837
>>23592507
The Star Wars wiki site thinks many characters are literal faggots using headcanon to back it up.
Anonymous No.23593781 [Report] >>23593896
>>23592540
>>23593591
I don't think Blu-Ray comments should really count either, because again, it's just the opinions of individual team members written in the context of hyping up a release for a show. Writing and development is a group project for shows and movies, and many in the team might have different views on what things mean.
Anonymous No.23593785 [Report] >>23593835 >>23593840
>>23593753
The Touhou wiki has rather often had to literally fight with autists over shipping and other fanon features, which is why they have their own "fanon" sections for all characters.
Anonymous No.23593825 [Report] >>23593835
>>23593753
More /a/ but the deep story of the fucking HETALIA wiki is a wild ride too. All centers around a narcissistic gay guy power-tripping over anthro countries and wiki layouts.
Anonymous No.23593835 [Report]
>>23593785
>>23593825
The Castlevania wiki also has a problem where the mainline canon version of Alucard clearly has a thing going on with Maria Renard based on the side materials, but they always edit it out because the Netflix version of the character is a fag.
Anonymous No.23593837 [Report]
>>23593753
I remember them saying Luke and Obi-Wan were fags just because they were acting like autists trying to make friends. Not like the admins can relate to trying to make new friends.
Anonymous No.23593840 [Report]
>>23593785
>shipping
The sheer amount of straight characters that have pages on Yuripedia is mind-boggling.
Anonymous No.23593876 [Report]
>>23593624
How many high-quality entries do I need to write to get Yapool to make the bondage blog public again? Privating it was a crime against coomers.
Anonymous No.23593896 [Report] >>23593899
>>23593781
What else would they have to "hype" when the show has already come out? No one is going to have a different view bro.

>>23593621
>>23593624

Like /m/ would be any better. Half the anons here are the same shitheads that contribute to the wiki
Anonymous No.23593899 [Report]
>>23593896
Would probably get shitposter trolls from here just spamming ZUNDAM GUNDUMB or talking about Maetel diddling boys in an Ihop bathroom.
Anonymous No.23594053 [Report] >>23594413
>>23593658
Why not ask Yapool if he could transfer shit over to a Miraheze and leave the Fandom behind? If no other anons are willing to do it...
Anonymous No.23594080 [Report]
at the end of the day the ip holders are the ultimate authority on canon. Whether or not that ip holder is the original writer.
Anonymous No.23594365 [Report] >>23595128
You fags haven't contributed a single line of text on any wiki ever, lmao
Anonymous No.23594395 [Report]
stop shilling your worthless wiki, yapool.
Anonymous No.23594413 [Report]
>>23594053
I imagine it would be more difficult since it has different encoding plus unlike Fandom a Miraheze costs money to maintain.
Anonymous No.23594433 [Report] >>23594917
>>23593651
>which is taking something in its original creative context
You hit the nail on the head. I don't know if it's an obsession with things being canon or not, but it feels like people can't enjoy things as a stand-alone, and they need to enjoy it as a complete canon with timelines and all. For example, ever since Rebels came out, the amount of times Star Wars nerds have claimed that this old dude in Return of Jedi is Captain Rex. It would be a fun theory, if Rex wasn't invented 20 or so years later, and the character from RoTJ didn't already have an official name. A more egregious example is Zelda fans demanding a timeline, when the games don't really need a timeline.
Anonymous No.23594459 [Report] >>23594914
>>23594012
Of course the 35 year old diebetic west coast spic is fantazing about pedophilia
Anonymous No.23594914 [Report] >>23595045
>>23594459
Who?
Anonymous No.23594917 [Report]
>>23594433
Autists like settings more than stories. They want a full timeline and history with stats and explanations for a movie they don't really want to watch.
Anonymous No.23595045 [Report] >>23595196
>>23594914
Don't be obtuse anon
Anonymous No.23595128 [Report] >>23595134
>>23594365
The entire Gundam wiki is locked down you dummy. You have to a be a registered and trusted user to edit anything. And even then the admins hate when you touch "their" page.
Anonymous No.23595134 [Report] >>23595138 >>23595183
>>23595128
Literal schizoposting, you just need to create a fandom account to start editing
Anonymous No.23595138 [Report]
>>23595134
you go ahead and do it then, report back with your findings
Anonymous No.23595160 [Report]
>it's another duel talking to himself thread
Anonymous No.23595183 [Report] >>23595186
>>23595134
Okay here's a challenge.

1. Make an account.

2. Go to the Ball Type K page.

3. Edit the Weapons section. Revert changes back to 2022 design.
Anonymous No.23595186 [Report] >>23595253 >>23595522
>>23595183
but that's literally fucking wrong, why would you incorrect a page like that
Anonymous No.23595196 [Report] >>23595197
>>23595045
If it's not the drooler it's one of his clones from AL who got nuked this time instead of them reporting people who reported or outed them.
Anonymous No.23595197 [Report] >>23595230 >>23595246
>>23595196
what the fuck are you talking about
Anonymous No.23595230 [Report]
>>23595197
hang yourself
Anonymous No.23595246 [Report]
>>23595197

If I had to guess, it's in reference over the petty squabbling over what the correct armament size for the cannons is on the Ball.
Anonymous No.23595253 [Report] >>23595522
>>23595186
How is it wrong? Explain right now or stfu
Anonymous No.23595260 [Report] >>23595472 >>23595522
Don't bother arguing with him.

That anon is the admin of the Ball page. He angrily guards it. He threw a hissy fit saying that Balls can't have 120mm cannons because the Zaku machine gun looks so much bigger. When people argued, he locked the page from edits.

...Even though the Zaku weapons and Ball weapons look exactly the same size on the gunpla models.

Pure autism.

No wonder Grokipedia is so popular and replacing Wikipedia.
Anonymous No.23595281 [Report] >>23595283
Why is it still on Wikia?
Anonymous No.23595283 [Report]
>>23595281
Admin undoes any changes other users make.
Anonymous No.23595472 [Report] >>23595482 >>23595522 >>23595551 >>23595739 >>23597518
>>23595260
Still can't get over it, huh?
Anonymous No.23595482 [Report] >>23595512 >>23595522
>>23595472
Not that anon but I don't understand what is being debated by anons here. Please explain
Anonymous No.23595512 [Report] >>23595522
>>23595482
From what I understand
>wikifag doesn't agree that the ball k has specific caliber guns for reasons
>so he just lists shit as "double gun"
>flips his shit if anyone else tries to touch the page?
Do I have that right.
Anonymous No.23595522 [Report] >>23595529 >>23595534 >>23595539 >>23597082 >>23597243 >>23599660
>>23595186
>>23595253
>>23595260
>>23595472
>>23595482
>>23595512
The Ball Type K has twin 180mm cannons. They are 15 calibers in length (which in Naval terms are basically "short barrel" cannons). I don't even understand how this is even a debate. It's literally listed in the official databooks (Pic related).

Why is the idiot admin on Gundam wikia refusing to list the correct information? Why is he *OBSESSED* with the idea that Balls can't have 180mm cannons? It's such silly nonsense. I can't believe this is even a debate.
Anonymous No.23595529 [Report]
>>23595522
It's funny because even MAHQ says it's twin 180mm cannons too.
Anonymous No.23595534 [Report] >>23595542
>>23595522
>why
Come on anon, you know this one.
Anonymous No.23595539 [Report]
>>23595522
>It's such silly nonsense. I can't believe this is even a debate.
Its the same idea behind the one anon who screams about Gundam Seed Beam sabers not being able to touch eachother. That mobile suits carry shields because beam sabers pass through eachother. But then Fukuda gave an interview and basically said:

>lol no. I just think two sabers clashing is boring. I believe shields are cool and should be used in battle too. If you don't block it them you will get shield bashed in the face.
Anonymous No.23595542 [Report]
>>23595534
It's not even a grey area where there's room for arguments and debates. The info is literally listed in the databooks. This form of autism makes no sense. Not even a little bit!
Anonymous No.23595551 [Report]
>>23595472

Why is a wikia quoting another wikia as a source?

Why doesn't the guy just look up the data books directly?
Anonymous No.23595739 [Report] >>23596077
>>23595472
I don't understand this wiki editors confusion. 180mm isn't that big. In real life, We have artillery cannons that are the same size or even bigger. They look perfect on the Ball.
Anonymous No.23596077 [Report]
>>23595739
The ball K type is just a ball with a Feddie tank turret hat
Anonymous No.23597082 [Report]
>>23595522
If you care so much then share this picture with them. Why are you complaining here
Anonymous No.23597243 [Report] >>23597283 >>23597836 >>23597881
>>23595522
You're not even right with your assessment there. 08ths official site says:

>>It should be noted that the unit Shiro piloted at this time was equipped with a fifty-caliber mounted on top, though a variant armed with a 180mm cannon also exists.
Anonymous No.23597283 [Report] >>23597734
>>23597243
1. Link to your source. Or you are full of sh1t.

2. It doesn't contradict the databooks.

- The Ball Type K has twin 180mm cannons (at 15 calibers long). This is a short barrel variant.

- The regular Ball has a single large 180mm cannon with a longer barrel. Longer barrel = more penetration and longer range.

It's just like you don't even understand weapons at all. You shouldn't write for any wiki. You lack even the basic knowledge.
Anonymous No.23597328 [Report] >>23597389
>>23593113
The simple answer is to just do what JP sites do and list all the fucking information and their sources. Trying to be "authoritative" and select which is right is retarded, it's a fan wiki. No one has those answers. No one should care about those answers. It should simply record any and all claims. If there are contradictions just fucking list who said what from what source.

Everything's retarded because of people thinking they have a duty to curate.
Anonymous No.23597389 [Report]
>>23597328
Agreed. If Gundam wikia was run well, they would simply write all the claims. List the Type K Ball as 180mm guns, but add a little note that says other sources claim differently like the guns being 120mm.
Anonymous No.23597518 [Report]
>>23595472
This is backwards logic. The MG manual isn't the only databook. Other books list the size of the gun. So why is he focuses on just the gunpla manual? Someone explain this nonsense to me.
Anonymous No.23597734 [Report] >>23597761 >>23597897
>>23597283
Can't read can ya? What's the 08th site? Official website ya dumb fuck.
Anonymous No.23597761 [Report] >>23598631
>>23597734
It's called copy paste. Put the link. 5 seconds worth of effort.

I'm not going to take your word for it.
Anonymous No.23597836 [Report]
>>23597243
It says 15 caliber, which would be 380mm.
Anonymous No.23597881 [Report]
>>23597243
>https://www.08ms-team.net/ms/
its fifteen not fifty
those guns seem pretty short so i think its referring to barrel length
Anonymous No.23597897 [Report] >>23598631
>>23597734
>Can't read can ya? What's the 08th site? Official website ya dumb fuck.

It literally says:
>Weapons: 180 mm cannon x2.

If you are going to be autistic then at least be correct. Otherwise it's just cringe.
Anonymous No.23598631 [Report] >>23598647 >>23598669 >>23599000 >>23599002 >>23599033
>>23597761
By the time you wasted posting that, you could've easily done it yourself. Stop being a lazy fucking asshat and expect everything handed to you. You were directed where it was from, so act on it.

>>23597897
Each "Fixed armament" line is a separate loadout, hence why the profile text lists it as two separate things you limp dicked illiterate SEA.

CONGRATS ON EVERYONE HERE PROVING WHILE THAT THREAD IS LOCKED ON THE WIKI
Anonymous No.23598647 [Report]
>>23598631
So that no one can put in the correct information and some retard can leave up his pointless conjecture?
Anonymous No.23598669 [Report] >>23598680
>>23598631
You're not coming off as less of a lazy asshat than he is. Hell, more since you're the one who made the claim in the first place.
And yeah, this is why no one contributes to that wiki. No one wants to have to deal with the likes of you.
Anonymous No.23598680 [Report]
>>23598669
Oh come off it, like your dumb SEA (monkey) ass could produce anything better for the site.
Anonymous No.23599000 [Report]
>>23598631

Nothing you have said proves the Ball Type K doesn't have 180mm cannons. It's just you yelling about how much you don't like it. That is not evidence.
Anonymous No.23599002 [Report]
>>23598631
Pointless conjecture with nothing to back up your claims. Show us evidence that directly says the Type K Ball has different weapons. Because anons have already provided evidence to prove it has 180mm cannons.
Anonymous No.23599033 [Report]
>>23598631
>Each "Fixed armament" line is a separate loadout
That's not what the Japanese says.
It says: Main armament. Twin 180mm gun. Fifteen caliber.

You are cringe.
Anonymous No.23599540 [Report] >>23599545 >>23599555
So we can all agree now that the Ball Type K does indeed have 180mm cannons?
Anonymous No.23599545 [Report] >>23599573
>>23599540

I honestly didn't care about this topic when you anons brought it up.

But I was bored and read through the posts. Now I'm genuinely curious if we can get the Gundam wikia page on the Ball changed. If nothing else, I know it would annoy little moderator that is guarding the page. Probably make him rage.

It makes me wonder what else Gundam wiki got wrong, or what other pages have false information because some hyper obsessed fan doesn't like anyone touching the page.
Anonymous No.23599555 [Report] >>23599573
>>23599540
The MG Kit manual doesn't really agree which is the real main source of disagreement


The RB-79K is one of the so-called "Balls" that was put into combat in the early days, and this was a time when various trials and errors were being repeated even when it came to armament. For this reason, productivity and practicality were verified from the start of the test operation.

The most recognized armament of the "Ball" would have been the type equipped with a low-recoil 180mm cannon (21 rounds in a two-row magazine) in an upper-rotating direct position. In fact, this specification aircraft was the most mass-produced aircraft during the latter part of the One Year War. It is said that among them was a machine equipped with a 120mm gun due to procurement issues, but the details are unknown. There is also a theory that the starting machine originally equipped with the main gun of the RX-75 gun tank was the RX-76, and it seems almost confirmed that there was a plan from the beginning to be equipped with only one powerful long-range gun. However, it goes without saying that several variations were being tested as an agenda rather than at the beginning of development. The "fifteen caliber" equipped on the RB-79K is a twin cannon and is used as an escort aircraft for transport ships. Additionally, this 15 caliber seems to be capable of zero-distance shooting. Sometimes, the RB-79K's 15 caliber is marked as a 180mm cannon, causing various controversies.

By the way the "being capable of zero-distance shooting" bit is the sort of completely meaningless crap someone entirely unfamiliar with firearms would call out
Anonymous No.23599573 [Report] >>23599578 >>23599582 >>23599588 >>23599653 >>23599681
>>23599545
>>23599555
You are quoting the japanese wiki page. The Japanese Gundam Wiki quotes two VERY old databooks. One released in 1996 and the other released 1997. Multiple Newer databooks have been released since the with updated information that says the Ball Type K is equipped with 180mm cannons. The 08th MS team website itself also says the cannon is 180mm. I'm honestly surprised the Japanese are behind and haven't updated themselves. How disgraceful.
Anonymous No.23599578 [Report] >>23599587
>>23599573
>You are quoting the japanese wiki page
Good, the only proper source.

The fact that this is even a controversy proves that you CAN'T prove it right.
Anonymous No.23599582 [Report]
>>23599573
At least the Japanese wiki tells us about the 180mm cannon and how there's conflicts between databooks. The American Gundam wiki refuses to even mention the 180mm cannon. One guy deleted the entire entry.
Anonymous No.23599587 [Report] >>23599679
>>23599578
You do realize that Wiki is an AMERICAN company right? Lmao.
Anonymous No.23599588 [Report]
>>23599573
I'm not the first person you linked. Actually I translated from Dalong's recording of the MG manual.
http://www.dalong.net/reviews/mg/m83/m83_k.htm
Anonymous No.23599614 [Report]
Thinking about it slightly more, might as well break down what 15 caliber could mean, accounting for the sorta informal designations shit gets:
15 inches
1.5 inches
.15 inches
15cm
15mm

Dual 150mms seem not so improbable but I do think the size different between them seems more like the RB-79K is something like 90 or 100mm or something like that. I don't own the models to compare though.
Anonymous No.23599641 [Report]
Guntank's shoulder cannons are supposedly only 120mm. But the Federation type Type 61 tank (which is TINY compared to Guntank) uses 150mm cannons. Yet no one is whining about THAT issue.

Your JOB is to write what the databooks SAY. Not complain and whine about animators drawing things the wrong size. Just copy databooks into the wiki. Worry about inconsistencies later! This is the dumbest fanbase I've seen.
Anonymous No.23599653 [Report] >>23599660 >>23600378
>>23599573
Congrats, the latest data book dated 2025 only says it's a twin barrel cannon. So none of the other material is accurate anymore
Anonymous No.23599660 [Report] >>23600083
>>23599653
See
>>23595522
Anonymous No.23599679 [Report]
>>23599587
Exactly, the ONLY good proper source.
Anonymous No.23599681 [Report] >>23599702 >>23599705
>>23599573
>updated information
You know this isn't a real machine, right? You're not writing an in-universe Wikipedia page on the RB-79K, you're writing an article on a wiki about the fictional vehicle in the fictional franchise. There's different claims and alternative interpretations, there's no such thing as 'updated information' because other than documentation of real life design processes there's no information to begin with.
Just list all the major claims from sources you fucking autists, you're not the arbitrators of UC canon and don't act like some random fucking data book is the ultimate arbitrator of artistic intent either.
Anonymous No.23599702 [Report] >>23599801
>>23599681
Not that anon but what book has claimed the Ball K doesn't have 180mm cannons? I don't mean not mentioning the size. I mean literally stating a different cannon size. Like 140mm or 120mm.
Anonymous No.23599705 [Report] >>23599718 >>23599801 >>23600679
>>23599681
Oh don't try to minimize this with that "It's not that important. Why do you care?" attitude.

If you care so much about keeping the article locked, then we can question why.
Anonymous No.23599718 [Report] >>23599775
>>23599705
Anon I'm not sure who the fuck you think I am, that was my first post in this thread since it turned into an argument over someone's posting war.
I think this is fucking stupid.
Anonymous No.23599775 [Report]
>>23599718
>Press X to Doubt
Anonymous No.23599801 [Report]
>>23599702
The MG kit manual as said just above literally implies it's not when it says it's "sometimes marked as a 180mm cannon, causing controversies."
>>23599705
But he's right. It literally is no more complicated than just listing the different sources. No one needs this autistic bullshit figuring out what they may really be; list what places say, list what the sources are, that's it.
Anonymous No.23600083 [Report] >>23600536
>>23599660
Incorrect. They're neither 180mm nor 15 cal anymore, they're just "cannons." Sizing has been eliminated entirely. If you dumb SEA fucks want to keep squabbling and go with the latest databook, well then there your dumbasses go.
Anonymous No.23600378 [Report]
>>23599653
>Congrats, the latest data book dated 2025 only says it's a twin barrel cannon. So none of the other material is accurate anymore

Show us your source or I'm disregarding your bullshit lies.
Anonymous No.23600408 [Report]
>>23592224 (OP)
I got banned long long ago for adding "Low Rent Char" to a list of Zechs Merquise's aliases.
Anonymous No.23600536 [Report]
>>23600083
That's not how it works. Unless there's a contradiction between books, then all databook information goes into the shared pool of knowledge.
Anonymous No.23600561 [Report]
create your own wiki
Anonymous No.23600679 [Report]
>>23599705
>"It's not that important. Why do you care?"
The truth of the matter is that it indeed is not very important.
Anonymous No.23602585 [Report] >>23602590
My problem with the wiki is that way too many pages will just have information with zero citations. Why people can't list the book they're copying out of is a mystery to me.

Another issue is that there's this weird trend on there where info from data and lore books seem to always trump what's said in the anime or manga when the opposite should be true.
Anonymous No.23602590 [Report] >>23606438 >>23606563
>>23602585
75% of Gundam wiki is just copy pasted info from MAHQ .
Anonymous No.23605146 [Report]
>>23592224 (OP)
It'll never be good.
Anonymous No.23605480 [Report] >>23606016
>>23592224 (OP)
Wikis can only be good if they're made outside of the Fandom/Wikia swamp.
Anonymous No.23606016 [Report] >>23606566
>>23605480
Agreed. Wikia is a lost cause. Their mobile website is just awful to use.
Anonymous No.23606438 [Report] >>23606536
>>23602590
>75% of Gundam wiki is just copy pasted info from MAHQ.

I'm aware of that and that explains part of the lack of citation issue but it doesn't explain the other 25% of info that isn't stolen from MAHQ for example the the MAHQ page for the afmsz-007ii https://www.mahq.net/afmsz-007ii/ is barebones while the Wiki page is full https://gundam.fandom.com/wiki/A/FMSZ-007II_Zeta , yet despite being original it has no citations. I have the feeling in this case it's because they pulled the info from the manga but they could have at least included page numbers.
Anonymous No.23606536 [Report]
>>23606438
Gundam wikia doesn't want to admit they use fan scans, fansubs, and/or any unauthorized material. So they post random images and information without citations.

That can't list page numbers because they don't actually own the books. So they can't tell what page it's from even if they wanted to.. All they have is scans.

They can't use citations because it would just link back to places like Zeonic Scans.
Anonymous No.23606563 [Report]
>>23602590
Other things were just crazy copypasta like assuming Gene and Wakkein were the same guy because their names were next to each other in their seiyuu's roles on a wiki.
Anonymous No.23606566 [Report]
>>23606016
Their Kirkburn guy also gets testy if someone protects a wiki from vandalism and rees at them and closes their wiki. Seen a few unfortunate cases of that, also him telling a fem wiki editor people telling her to get a tire necktie immolation was free speech, while you post a bad word or a titty that's from canon and it's all over.