Thread 23592714

I watched it, and it's actually pretty good...? But why did it flop so hard?

>>23592714 (OP)
it looks kiddy as shit. It should have looked like the bumblebee movie

>>23592718
I am not a fan of hyper-realism.

Marketing did a horrible job on this by focusing way too much on the quippy moments and Bumblebee. Also general TF 'fandom' allergy to anything not G1.

Awful marketing, and bayformers already poisoned the well, just look at bumblebee

>>23592718
You did not watch the whole movie.
>>23592729
>>23592733
This.

>>23592714 (OP)
I thought it was decent. A fun ride that you can watch with your kids or younger siblings. I just hated Megatron's voice. Every time he opened his mouth all I could hear was a black american teenager, not a robot villain.

>>23592714 (OP)
Whoever edited and approved of the first trailer killed any hope of success.

>>23592764
All i could think of when he talked in his lispy way all movie but big nigger lips smacking together. Certain moments he really channels Megatron well but generally his performance was subpar imo. I thought everyone else was cast fine enough. When Chris tries to really channel Optimus it's kinda silly, I think his more normal voice works fine enough, he can try to be gravely when he is actually older.

>>23592753
>You did not watch the whole movie.
He didn't say he did, Captain Literate.

Like other anons already said, the marketing was awful. My only real complaint was no Ultra Magnus.

>>23592729
>Also general TF 'fandom' allergy to anything not G1
I, personally, would like more Beast Wars

>>23592843
Why is Magnus reaching for cocktimus prime?

>>23592753
In his defense, that poster DOES look kiddie as shit. All circles back to >>23592729 marketers dropped the ball hard.

>>23592931
Reference, he's making sure him and his brother still have matching mufflers .

>worst possible marketing
>people still bitching about the Bayverse movies
>G-wunners hating everything that isn't G1
>new kids didn't grow up with memorable series like Beast Wars, Animated, unicron trilogy, but on slop like Earthrise, RID2015, rescue bots and other headcanon machinima.
>TF1 expands on the lore. For Gwunners.. who don't want to see the movie anyway.
>no Peter Cullen/Frank Welker anymore, which is understandable but people probably didn't want Megatron to end up a negro from now on.
>BBB and especially EL1 are bad characters and the payoff isn't worth it

you know, Bionicle 2 did this whole plot 20 years ago

>>23593018
It's Plato's Cave

>>23592714 (OP)
Marketing department deserves to be shot out of a fusion canon for how badly bungled they handled trying to sell this shit to the public. I LIKE Transformers and after I've seen its trailer I basically wrote it off as not for me, it took several people vouching for its quality and bemoaning how the advertisement department suffered a prolong retard moment before I gave it a shot.

>>23592989
>people probably didn't want Megatron to end up a negro from now on.

Are you the schizo who thinks the movie is about circumcision?

Also Rescue Bots is kino.

It's really fucking good. It's gorgeous in 4k too.
The only flaw is Keegan Michael Key is playing himself through B. It works the few times B isn't goofing around but that's the minority of his screen time.

>>23592714 (OP)
I didn't expect shit after the other movies (Bumblebee sucked too) so I pirated it on one night I was bored.
If I had any idea the movie was like this I would have watched it on a cinema.
But alas, given it's flopping, I'm sure they're gonna dial back everything that I liked on One and bring back humans and make more crap that made me skip this in the first place.

>>23593027
>Are you the schizo who thinks the movie is about circumcision?
Thank you for reminding me of the tweet that asked
>If the movie is a metaphor for circumcision, then is Orion becoming Optimus just God giving him his foreskin back?

>>23592718
Live action? No, they should have gone for high quality 2D instead.

>>23592714 (OP)
It was a (very) loose adaptation of a comic most kids haven't read. The movie just didn't know it's target audience and flopped as a result.

>>23593148
>Autocracy
Heh.

>>23592714 (OP)
mouths with lips are disgusting

>>23593148
I remember this guy's art got absolutely shambolic at times, lots of barely recognisable characters and heavy digital filters. Still I guess he worked fast because he was on every series.

>>23593342
Livio Ramondelli

His covers are really good though

>>23593224
Unless its Overlord

>>23592714 (OP)
>why did it flop so hard?
For starters it's a fully animated movie so that right there alienates a group of people from ever being interested in seeing it
Now minus half the worlds population because women aren't dying to go see an animated robot movie not made by Disney
All your left with is grown ass men who like Transformers and families who have kids who are interested enough to go to the movies
Basically this movie was never going to take off and get the recognition it deserves, it was made for a specific audience and it needed to draw in other groups to be considered a success.
If it were a live action Transformers it would have had more traction, by being purely animated that meant less people overall would go see it

>>23592714 (OP)
Is it good though?
I mean, it wasn't awful, but I don't think it was particularly good. Just a decent enough origin story to start a series with, maybe.
I guess when you're being constantly fed worse and worse dogshit with cartoons, comics and movies you'd be glad to see something non-offensive, like Transformers One.

>>23593561
Yeah it's good. It even makes you question who was right, Optimus or Megatron.

>>23593575
Uh, excuse me, how?
Megatron just went from one kind of a retard to the other and honestly, it was one of the roughest parts of the movie, IMO.

A longtime friend and fellow Transformers fan refused to see it because he hated the general design ethic.

I can see his complaints, but it honestly didn't bother me enough to the point I didn't want to see the movie. Still didn't buy any of the toys.

>>23593561
Agreed. It's a gorgeous movie for sure, but plot-wise It's only winning because pretty much every other TF movie flubbed it even harder. This kind of complex origin/uprising story just isn't something you can easily fit into a 90 minute movie and it really shows.

>>23593426
When he takes the time to get everything put together sure he's fine, but even your pic is leaning a lot on the digital effects. I remember a certain reveal falling completely flat because noone could tell who the fuck was being revealed. Personally, I'm a Milne fan. Guy can make panel 642 look like cover art.

>>23593561
>>23592714 (OP)
>Is it good though?

I'm gonna be honest. This movie SUCKED. Having Optimus and Megatron be "best friends" before the war is so freaking weird. Why is Optimus such a doofus? Bumblebee being comedy relief is stupid. People need to stop trying to make "But Megatron is actually a good guy!" happen. Stop trying to redeem Megatron. It's not going to happen. General audiences won't accept it. Hell most Transformers fans won't accept it either.

He's supposed to be a cunning warlord that got obsessed power and has a shard of greed inside him. That's Megatron. Not whatever this movie is trying to do with him.

Also It's like this movie can't decide if it wants to be a comedy (like Kung Fu Panda) or some serious drama. The transformers fans gushing about this movie are blind fools.

>oh nooo! Megatron and Optimus used to be BEST FRIENDS but had One bad argument and now hate eachother. Waaa Waaa. Isn't it sad? Friendship ruined! They should work together and lead Cybertron together! :)
>there are no bad guys! Just misunderstandings :(

Do you people seriously love such shallow storytelling?

Cybertron has billions of transformers. Why does Optimus and Megatron NEED to know eachother? It makes the universe and story feel so small.

It's also incredibly stupid how the Deceptions were already assembled as a group. They just immediately followed Megatron. Megatron didn't even need to bother assembling them himself. It was just given to him in one convenient package. It's like the writers were trying to speedrun Megatron's history.

I could go on but this movie just isn't good. It's not the fault of the marketing. If the movie was great then word of mouth would have saved it. But nope. Not surprised it failed. The writers didn't respect Transformers lore or history.

I never liked how Optimus is always THE first leader now. It was more interesting when he and Megatron weren't the be all end all of the conflict, but just stewards of a history that was greater than either of them.

>secret circumcision scheme
>giving the people's livelihood to space kikes
Is he the most evil villain?

>>23593705
I think the cemented Megatron miner > gladiator > freedom fighter > general dickbag origin was an improvement over the next to nothing we had prior. The other decepticon warlords never really existed outside of some random sinister sounding names.

>>23593686
This post reads like someone who didn't watch the movie.
Pax and D didn't have a falling out because of an argument, it's because their world views became fundamentally incompatible. Pax wanted to bring Sentinel to justice and reform Iacon. D wanted to to kill him, kill everyone working for him, and burn the entire thing down. D's world view was shattered and he is out for blood. This isn't something that can be resolved.
He also is not shown to be the good guy, given that he immediately turned into a despot. He has been authoritarian from day 1 and now has the power to enforce it. Even when he was a mining slave he trusted in the system that put him as a lesser class citizen because that's what the rules were, he even said Darkwing was in the right for beating him because he stepped out of line.
Additionally, why are people like you are so fucking incapable of understanding that a villain born out of tragedy is not a redemption attempt, I see this dumbass complaint all the damn time across mediums.

Hard to say for sure at the end of the day.

General disinterest in the franchise by the larger public due to their fairly 'tainted' reputation thanks in large part to the mostly terrible movies under Paramount?

A bad first impression based on a trailer that reflected it's earlier more comedic tone before it took a turn into the more dramatic under Cooly??

It's not an amazing movie on its own and has plenty you could criticize both as a fan of the IP or simply from the perspective of a film critic but it's sure as hell better than the majority of slop that came before it and it's disappointing that it failed to find success despite the rather vocal positive reception it received.

Perhaps the live action film that was given to Cooly has potential to be decent, but I'm doubtful.

>>23594196
You say all these things but the movie failed to show them on screen adequately. So everything you said is pointless. You can't claim "emotional drama" when the movie barely shows it.

It's really hilarious how much you TFOne fans will bend over backwards to make excuses

>the marketing was bad!
>the trailer ruined everything!
>YouTubers told people to stay away.
>Gee 1 fans are too hard to please!
>people just didn't give it a chance

Instead of just admitting the movie was deeply FLAWED and had problems.

Transformers One is what happens when you give $150 million dollars to an inexperienced director who hasn't worked on feature films, and to the same writer who wrote that terrible Black Widow movie. Yet you people have the audacity to come into this thread and say Transformers One was good.

>>23594231
>It didn't happen on screen
You are not convincing me that you actually watched the movie.

>>23594247
Oh is this the new TF1 meme fans are doing? The moment someone disagrees, you just scream you" didn't watch the movie!!!" like an idiot. Try harder anon. I understand what movie TRIED to do. But unlike you, I'm willing to admit the writing fell flat pretty hard. The only thing the movie did okay was the Sentinel Prime's betrayal. But even that felt cliche and I saw that coming a mile away. It just wasn't a good movie. Why can't you have an honest conversation about the failures of the movie?

>>23594254
I articulately laid out problems with your post and you just said
>nope :^)
Why should I continue to entertain someone who has not demonstrated he watched it at all or is being intentionally obtuse?

>>23594242
not that i think its great but great movies flop all the time. everyone critics and audience that watched them thought they were great, just not enough people watched them.

>>23594260
>everyone critics and audience that watched them thought they were great,
Everyone? EVERYONE??? What world do you live in? You have a bunch of YouTubers and influencers trashing the movie. Its not everyone at all. It's mixed.

>not that i think its great but great movies flop all the time.
Even if the movie was great and did bad in theaters, it still would have did well on streaming and Bluray sales. Like how John Wick succeeded on home video sales and found an audience. But it flopped there too. That's 3 separate flops for TF1. Somethings wrong with the movie itself. Not the fans.

>>23594257
The problem is you think you are position of authority and we have to convince you. Like you are some judge in a courtroom.

The reality is your movie failed and you are just being stubborn and delusional. Refusing to admit it had any problems. That it was some perfect movie.

>>23594275
You are literally just making shit up and putting words in my mouth, fuck off.

>>23594277
>anything I dont like = making shit up.
Lmao. Okay buddy. Sure.

>>23594272
never said it applied to tfone. but blade runner 2049 got universal acclaim and flopped hard. movies not finding their audience isn't always a statement of percieved quality.

>>23592714 (OP)
Hasbro's retarded marketing.

>>23594287
Blade Runner 2049 didn't get universal acclaim. I liked the movie a lot but even I can see why it didn't do well I theaters and had problems. It was bloated, too long, and too expensive for a feature film in movie theaters. There was way too much pressure from the studio for it to be a mega blockbuster that would earn a billion dollars.

I unironically believe Blade Runner 2049 would have done much better as a 12 episode streaming TV show. Like on Apple TV. Where the story would have room to breathe, we viewers could be immersed in the world, and we could explore the plot more without having to worry about the story finishing in 2 hours like a movie.

>>23594292
it was a critical darling, got super high audience scores, and got roger deakins his first oscar.

>>23594254
What you need to understand is that TF fans don't have particularly high standards when it comes to movies. TF One was good, but it was much more in line with what fans wanted compared to Bayverse which appeals to a more mass-market audience.

I personally wish than Hasbro would draw on the comics a bit more, as they are definitely the strongest part of the series from a narrative perspective. Something like a Last Stand of the Wreakers show would be cool and could show general audiences how good Transformers can be, instead of more Bayverse slop that makes the series look like vapid nostalgia bait.

>>23594403
It doesn't help that Hasbro keeps rebooting the universe every few years. I'm not the anon you are replying to but I gave up trying to keep track of everything. Especially with all those new cartoons and comics.

>>23594421
At least there is only one ongoing right now

>>23592934
In defence of that, does anyone really care if it was a little on the kiddy side, I personally don't mind as kid movies are the best movies, sometimes... (e.g. Pixar/DreamWorks/Illumination/etc...).

I'm pretty sad that we won't be getting a sequel, this movie really deserves it.

>>23592714 (OP)
it was fine. A little boring and simple, but kids don't really care about transformers that much anymore

>>23594421
You don't have to keep track of them all. They are all just interpretations by different writers. Kinda like people adapting public domain stuff. You only need to follow whatever continuity you like.

>>23592714 (OP)
I saw the movie. A few days ago. Overall my main problem is that the writing is too immature and kid like. Too childlike. Senintel Prime is just too comical of a villain. His desire for power doesn't even make much sense. Not even Starscream, who lusts for leadership, would betray his race like that.

I also don't understand how Megatron defeated Sentinel Prime. Megatron had an ordinary transformation cog. But Sentinel Prime had a legendary transformation cog. Sentinel prime was beating Megatron the entire movie. How is Megatron suddenly going all "Bane" on Sentinel and breaking Sentinel's back and ripping him in half with his bare hands? It makes no sense.

I honestly think the movie would have been better if the story was just about Megatron. It didn't need Optimus, Bumblebee, or any other Autobots helping. Then make another movie from the Autobots perspective. Have Optimus have his own journey to getting the matrix of leadership. You don't need Megatron and Optimus to be friends or know eachother. It seems like such a radical departure from the lore that I know of. Megatron is supposed to hate Optimus based on all the old cartoons. They aren't friends.

>>23592714 (OP)
>Muh ironic MCU writing

NO, it was directionless, i HAAAAAATED every single forced comedic scene into this shit, and NO, dont you dare to compare to Beast Wars.

>>23595304
>Beast Wars
Beast Wars had some serious and mature episodes. Especially for a kids show. I was really impressed. A few episodes made me shed tears as a child.

>>23595304
>He fell for the quip-filled ads
It was less MCU than how they promote it, not the best, but a whole lot better than Bayformers.

>>23595327
>Bayformers
It's been 10 years since his movies ended. You people need to move on. This complaint is so tiresome now.

>>23595331
His Transformers designs are still ugly, cope.

>>23595290
I have my problems with the movie myself, but I don't think that it is fair to critique a movie made to sell toys for kids as "immature". If anything, I was surprised it wasn't even worse in that regard.
Of course I don't mean that kids are complete retards and if anything, some things I dislike about One is how it handled more serious moments.
>I also don't understand how Megatron defeated Sentinel Prime. Megatron had an ordinary transformation cog. But Sentinel Prime had a legendary transformation cog.
Was power scaling based on transformation cog quality even a thing in the movie? IIRC the only reason Senitiel brought it up is to taunt Megatron that he took a cog of his idol.
>Megatron is supposed to hate Optimus based on all the old cartoons. They aren't friends.
Well, at the end he does hate Prime. And an idea of Optimus and Megatron being old friends turned enemies is way older than One.
I don't see a big problem in them sharing a complicated past.

>>23595348
>Was power scaling based on transformation cog quality even a thing in the movie?

Yes. Because we see that whoever uses Megatronus' transformation cog gets visibly bigger, stronger, ans all their weapons get bigger. Sentinel wasn't that big before taking the Megatronus cog. It's clearly a boost in power.

>>23595290
Sentinel takes almost all the damage from D tackling him out a window. His wings are clipped, his leg thrusters only work once to dodge a shot, and he can't stand. He's basically broken.

>>23595290
It wasn't just that, Megatron also tore through Sentinel Prime's elite guard. Like a dozen soldiers surrounding Megatron with guns pointed at him. Yet Megatron took no damage.

>>23595348
>And an idea of Optimus and Megatron being old friends turned enemies is way older than One.
Not really. The idea was introduced in the early 2010s in some comics. And wasn't even friends. More like Megatron had a begrudging respect for Optimus because he fought on the front lines.


In the original timeline, Megatron was a warlord that wanted to conquer Cybertron. He led the Decepticons and raided an energon storage warehouse. He killed a young boy robot Orion Pax who was nearby in cold blood. Then Orion Pax was rebuilt into Optimus Prime.

>>23593027
I'm talking Brain Henry. His performance was better than Chris Hemsworth though.
RotB is for negroes. Earthspark is for negroes. I think whites started giving up in droves.

>>23593686
>Why is Optimus such a doofus?
I prefer Optimus as an old, wise leader, but TF One Orion was pretty believable as a young Optimus in my opinion. Older Optimus isn't always stiff and serious. He uses Earth slang, plays basketball with Spike, whips out playground insults in the middle of battle. And TF One Orion echoes Optimus' nobler traits from the start, which at least makes him an improvement on G1 Orion, who feels like a completely different person from Optimus.

>People need to stop trying to make "But Megatron is actually a good guy!" happen. Stop trying to redeem Megatron.
They didn't try to make him a good guy. They tried to make him a cautionary tale about mistaking vengeance for justice, but it flew over people's heads because a large percentage of the population genuinely has the same ideology he ends up with at the end of the movie.

Though, the way they handled Bumblebee definitely felt too "how do you do, fellow kids".

How does it make you guys feel that over 50% of the budget went to paying for famous actors like Chris Hemsworth, Scarlett Johansson, and several others to voice the main characters?

>>23595405
>They didn't try to make him a good guy. They tried to make him a cautionary tale about mistaking vengeance for justice

If that was the writers goal, then they completely failed. They made Megatron too sympathetic and heroic to the audience. You can look at youtube comments and everyone is simping for Megatron. If they wanted Megatron to be a cautionary tail, then they should have megatron kill civilians in the movie. Have him use the same methods his captors used. Make him be a hypocrite. Instead they made him a hero and a freedom fighter.

>>23595408
Bad. It feels bad, Anon.

>>23595395
The elite guard were kind of jokes, they were getting dispatched left and right.Their main force comes from numbers.

>I. AM. MEGATRON!!!!
>ARISE....Optimus Prime
Gotta admit, that was kino

>>23595397
>The idea was introduced in the early 2010s in some comics
Didn't they take it from RID?

It originated in the bay movie comic continuity where Megatron and Optimus were brother in arms.

>>23595445
Too on the nose

>>23595408
People dunk on this detail, but the 86 movie did this, too. When TFOne is 40 years old, these current actors will be old hat like the 86 film actors and nobody will care. They did a decent job, so whatever -current day- criticisms are fleeting.

Lifelong TF fan. It's the best on-screen media the franchise has had since Beast Wars. It being as good as it was feels like a fluke. Between the 86 film, TFOne, and Bumblebee, in that order, we finally have a good trilogy of films.

>>23595558
I enjoyed the 86 Transformers movie and Beast Wars. But I dislike Bumblebee and TFOne. I absolutely hate rise of the beasts

>>23593686
>Stop trying to redeem Megatron
I still think it worked great in the comics.
But that's a whole different can of worms.

>>23595405
TF One Orion was better than Autocracy Orion

Transformers has got to be one of the most rebooted franchises I've ever seen. Hasbro doesn't even bother with world building. They just reboot the universe every few years and go back to the Great War. What happened to making shows like Beast Wars which was supposed to be a direct sequel to the original transformers?

>>23595630
Same problem with Power Rangers, which Hasbro also own now: 1st iteration is "better" due to nostalgia, milk it to death and keep re-doing it again and again. They are showing some love to other AU like the Unicron Trilogy and BW on the toys, but the main focus is still squarely on G1 and will probably continue to do so until they are forced to take a risk and do something radically different like they did with Beast Wars or stagnate and devalue the brand. If the latter happens and goes down cheap enough, I don't doubt Takara would take the opportunity to buy it wholesale, but that still improbable for now.

>>23592714 (OP)
Why do the films hesitate to portray Megatron a truly evil? Why can't he just be evil a s black hearted. Must every villain have a tragic or misunderstood past? Marvel storytelling has really ruined writers. Every bad guy has to be tragic. Wete not allowed to have normal villains anymore who crave power

>>23595740
If One Megatron is a tragic villian, does that make One Optimus who goes through roughly the same thing a tragic hero?

>>23595589
It worked in the comics because Megatron had to come to terms with what he'd done; and eventually realized that no matter what, he could never undo the damage done and could never actually be redeemed so much as spend a life paying penance.

That's totally different from "but it's okay and we should forgive him, because he had a bad childhood."

>>23595766
>"but it's okay and we should forgive him, because he had a bad childhood."
What I don't understand is where have you got that part from?

>D16 is mad at learning about the current US president circumcised babies and secretly funding Israel.
>Orion Pax gets elected to become the next US president by the deep state.

>>23595776
Are you implying that deep state is secretly anti-Israel and generally speaking good guys?

>>23595796
They found orion to be more submissive and easily controlled than rabid nigatron.

A lot of nuance is getting lost in the sauce in discourse online about the narrative that they're "redeeming" D by giving him a backstory and it drives me up a wall.
D is shown to be increasingly unhinged and motivated entirely by murder. He does not care about bringing Sentinel to justice. He does not care about showing proof to the citizens of Iacon City and scoffs at the idea of even bothering with it.
He does not try to ally with the High Guard for the cause of liberating Iacon, he instead berates them for being pussies and usurps Starscream, putting himself as their new cult leader by giving a speech about killing Sentinel.
He has a one track mind, which doesn't care about who or what stands in his way, or about what will happen after, or about anything other than getting that fucker dead, because he was slighted. At no point does D ever acknowledge the other miners, or other people duped by Sentinel. It is all about him and his vengeance.

Contrast this to Orion who's number 1 priority is getting the truth out and doing what is best for the people.

>>23595804
But in practice, it would be easier to point Megatron in a general direction of (((their))) enemies, rather than having to actually improve lives of average Cybertronians, as well as allowing them to defend themselves against (((space overlords))).
That really doesn't work and honestly, if that was the implication it wouldn't support either D16 or Orion, it would support Senitiel.

>>23595808
Yeah.
Honestly, I was the first one to bring up in this thread that TF One isn't that good, but seeing how even a simplistic movie like that manages to fly over a head of a regular anon here makes me think that maybe it just tried to match the level of a general TF audience.

>>23595808
>D is shown to be increasingly unhinged and motivated entirely by murder
Eh...not really. The movie doesn't do a good job showing it gradually happen. It feels very forced. Like they knew they had to make Megatron bad by the end of the movie. So every transition felt forced. One minute Megatron is peaceful and the next he becomes homicidal. All in the span of 90 minutes. Maybe if this was TV show the transition would be smoother, but in a movie it felt forced and very rapid.

>>23595828
I think he means that when Megatron snapped, he didn't immediately abandon his buddies and started plotting.

>>23595828
It's not a slow burn or anything but there is definitely a progression from D at rock bottom to I'm done saving you.
But that's more of a side point. What I was getting at is D's actions aren't celebrated or presented as misunderstood guy turned evil at all. He's openly giddy about wasting his first bot. He is also the first in the squad to transform a weapon, which is framed as coming from his growing intent to kill being hyped up by the crowd.
He is never really presented as redeemable like some are claiming is a flaw of the movie, it's pretty clear that his actions and behaviors are extreme and not on the side of "good"

The whole thing at the end with Megatron breaking up with Optimus felt like a bad teenage drama story. I can't believe you people are eating it up. Its soap opera garbage.

>>23595828
>One minute Megatron is peaceful and the next
He discovered his whole life was a lie and his hero tried to get him killed, anon, he snapped.

Why is there so much debate this whole segment of the movie couldn't scream megatron bad any louder
https://youtu.be/ACc1qg8l9rw

IF there were to be a sequel, how would you tackle the story?

>>23596608
Megatron chokes out B and breaks his voice.

>>23595589
This run ended terribly due to the author being upset about the series getting canned. Megatron should've become the next successor to Ultra Magnus, atoning for all the shit he did by doing good, instead of just getting executed offscreen while the rest of the cast explain how horrible their lives have become.

>>23597542
>>23596546
>>23595589
>Megatron should've become the next successor to Ultra Magnus, atoning for all the shit he did by doing good

Ohhhhhhh myyyyyy gosh.

Will you people just let Megatron die already? I haven't seen a single excuse that would justify Megatron being redeemed and turned into a good leader that good people follow. Not a single reason. Megatron is a genocidal war criminal and killed billions of civilians. Not some misunderstand man who just needs a little love and understanding to do good and reform his ways.

All I see here are Megatron fanboys who just can't let their favorite character die, or face real consequences for their actions. It's absolutely disgusting that you or the comics suggest this.

All I'm getting from this is that BW Megatron is probably still one of the best iterations of the character

>>23597733
Agreed. He's actually very cunning a dangerous. And he was able to make the original Megatron's soul yield to him.

>>23597733
>Impressive. Using an Energon blade on any other spark would have destroyed it. However, it seems you cannot be terminated. An advantage...
>Or is it?
>Welcome to the Predacons, Rampage. You shall be an honored member, so long as you never forget one important fact about your new life.
>It's mine.

>>23597542
>This run ended terribly due to the author being upset about the series getting canned.
No, not really. The ended had to be rushed to fuckery and back because the author set up and planned a lot more plot, but was suddenly told the whole continuity was being reset. Shit got COMPRESSED.
And you missed the point of the "everyone's lives sucks" part. They duplicated themselves, there's another copy have fun adventures after the comic's end that you're supposed to write yourself. The author started as a fanfic writer.

>>23592714 (OP)
>But why did it flop so hard?
Trailer fucked it, hard. Even the director immediately put out a statement after the trailer dropped that said "the movie's not like this". But the general public audiences don't read stuff like that.
>>23593224
Pre-leader Optimus is supposed to have a mouth.
>>23595740
Buddy, I hate to break this to you, but "Megatron started out battling systemic society oppression", and also just the entire Transformers lore in general, STARTED with Marvel. Marvel made the Transformers story.

>>23595290
Pax and D-16's friendship was meant to make the story a Greek tragedy, also it seems they put Megatron into Dion's position in order for that to happen.

>>23595445
As above
So below

>>23599099
>Pax and D-16's friendship was meant to make the story a Greek tragedy,
That's not what a Greek tragedy is. I hate when transformers fans throw out literature terms to make Transformers One seem deeper than it actually is.

The movie would only be Greek tragedy if Megatron was a noble hero from the start, almost all of Megatron's friends (or family) died, and/or Megatron suffers and dies at the end of the story.

There is no tragedy with Transformers One.

>>23599106
So what is the trope of knowing the fate of the characters?

>>23599099
Hmm...that's not really enough to be a greek tragedy. Those stories usually have more death and sadness.

>>23592714 (OP)
I liked it but megatron 180ing hard wasnt properly paced so it didnt hit hard at all as he became a dickhead pretty goddamn quickly. They couldve cut a buncha bumblebee scene for his development.

>>23599362
Agreed. Also I feel like movie should have just been a Decepticon movie with Megatron slowly building the Decepticons.

They didn't need Optimus or the few other characters. They could have been cut entirely. Give Optimus and the Autobots a seperate movie.

>>23598131
>Even the director immediately put out a statement after the trailer dropped that said "the movie's not like this".
It makes you wonder if there executives at Hasbro self-aware enough after the movie's launch and reception to call whoever led the marketing in and just fucking shoot him dead. It's rare that you can genuinely, tangibly say a film's marketing did irreconcilable harm to it, but TFOne 100% did.

They pivoted hard in the second trailer but the damage had been done.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2NuUWuwPCM

>>23599458
They were trying too hard to get the GotG audience with the first trailer.

>>23592714 (OP)
The movie was really gay. Like seriously, everything about it was gay/uncool.
I don't understand why Hasbro refuses to give the people what they want, a War for Cybertron movie with the visuals of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bu5m4sr6e6I
and the violence from Bayformers.
>uhhh but they've done that already with the Netflix show
Which was a mess. It had some interesting ideas (and I'm a sucker for the battle damaged models), but overall it wasn't a good show.

>>23599606
The problem is that Transformers games are written by a team of writers working together. It's a team effort.

Transformers movies are written by just one or two writers. They don't want to share credit. And they are obsessed with forcing their "vision" onto Transformers. None of them actually read or look at the comics.

This movie failed because they tried to do everything in a single movie. Megatron and Optimus' friendship, Sentinel prime, the betrayal, the Decepticons coming together, etc. It's too much for a single movie.

If you want to do a prequel story, then it really should be a TV show.

>>23599606
>I don't understand why Hasbro refuses to give the people what they want, a War for Cybertron movie with the visuals of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bu5m4sr6e6I
Obviously because of budget.

>>23599606
They're not ever going to do that because it will cost 50 gorillion dollars.

>>23592729
>Also general TF 'fandom' allergy to anything not G1.
But it was super G1? Even boosted the Axe.

>>23599606
>War for Cybertron movie
This is exactly what I wanted.

Not the lame "friendship is magic" teen drama movie called Transformers One.

>>23600403
anon, TFOne is the exact opposite of "friendship is magic"
friendship was not magic
friendship did not help
friendship got trampled into the dirt
that was the whole point

>>23600420
I don't give AF about Megatron and Optimus friendship.

>>23600420
Dude 80% of the movie was Megatron and Optimus being Bros and saving eachother and being friends. Wtf are you talking about

>>23600558
>Wtf are you talking about
The 20% at the end.

>>23600403
Just watch the WFC/FOC cutscenes. They needlessly gave it a second shot with the awful Netflix show. Another try at the exact same thing would be redundant and stupid. This is the worst type of criticism against TFOne.

TFOne feels like a very sanitized and watered down Transformers War for Cybertron. The graphics quality has been lowered and the brutality is toned way down. It's like a baby version of WfC

>>23600656
which WfC, but it doesn't really matter since you're wrong for both.

>>23600656
WfC the Video Game or the show. I hope you don't mean the show.

>>23600403
Normalfags want a WfC movie. Real TF fans know Last Stand of the Wreckers it the real best story.

>>23599606
>The movie was really gay.
Dude, you sound like you're 40. Go talk to your wife or something.

>>23600792
He's not wrong. They hyper exaggerated Optimus and Megatron's closeness and friendship. Their "breakup" scene was almost like a breakup between people in a relationship. If Megatron was a girl, then it wouldn't feel out of place. He's a hyper emotional bot that can control his emotions and lashes out at Optimus.

>>23601005
>Their "breakup" scene was almost like a breakup between people in a relationship
You're projecting hilariously hard. Why do people who hate gayshit also try so hard to find it in every aspect of their life?

>>23601005
>Their "breakup" scene was almost like a breakup between people in a relationship.
Because... it was.
Protip: friendship is a type of relationship

>>23601038
Closet gays, the same type who cry about fictional characters looking underage but collect actual cp.

>>23601038
>You're projecting hilariously hard. Why do people who hate gayshit also try so hard to find it in every aspect of their life?
Why is Megatron written like a whiny woman? And Optimus is the bumbling boyfriend? Seriously if you changed the genders, nothing would be changed.

>>23601005
Nah by gay I meant lame and edgeless, not homosexual (I thought I made it clear in my post). Although I don't like how Megatron's character arc was handled. In general I don't really like how the "Decepticons" were handled.

>>23601055
>Nah by gay I meant lame and edgeless, not homosexual
dude, what are you, 12 years old AND stuck in 2002?

>>23600790
Would be cool, but there's too much baggage in it. And you know execs would turn the wreckers into Suicide Squad levels of cringe.

>>23601073
i mean, that would fit. like, half the team during that story WERE cringe

>>23601064
>dude, what are you, 12 years old AND stuck in 2002?
2002 humor is making a comeback. Haven't you heard? People are so sick of being politically correct that they are dragging out humor from 20 years ago to rebel. Modern South Park already did multiple episodes of calling people lame and gay again

>>23601089
anon, the south park characters are all children and/or morons.

>>23601064
Not him, but I definitely am, mentally speaking at least

>>23601106
You are missing the point. The jokes have entered the mainstream again. It's not some relic from 2002 anymore.

>>23601145
I believe his own point was that the mainstream is full of children and/or morons.

>>23593027
Rescue Bots sucks

>>23601251
Its not bad but its intended audience is little kids

>>23601073
Yeah, they would probably try to re-work it for "general audiences".

>>23601842
>Its not bad but its intended audience is little kids
No rescue bots is for babies under 5 years old.

TFOne is the meant for little kids.

The main problem with Transformers is that modern writers don't know how to end the great war properly, and they are unable (or unwilling) to kill main characters.

This is especially true in the comics. The writers bend over backward to keep it an eternal stalemate. Or come up with some "event" where both Decepticons and Autobots must team up to fight a bigger threat.

There is never a brutal and realistic ending to the Great War with one side claiming victory and building a society after the war.

>>23602622
it's incredibly obvious to me that you don't read the comics

>>23602629
Kid I've been reading the comics longer than you've been browsing 4chan. Don't even try to go down this road. If you know Furman, then you know I'm not joking.

>>23602667
it's INCREDIBLY obvious to me that you don't read the comics

>>23602671
Oh you are just trolling by repeating yourself? I get it.

Your opinion has been discarded. You offer nothing of value to the discussion.

>>23602677
>Oh you are just trolling by repeating yourself? I get it.
i'm not, you don't, and you don't know the comics

>>23599401
That wouldve been better too. I really wanted to like the friendship being torn apart stuff but it was treated as an afterthought the moment they left the city.

>>23602687
The type of friendship the writers want to show requires an entire TV series to build up. Probably several seasons to build it up. It can't be done in a single 2 hour movie. That's why friendship feels so shallow in the movie, and the "break up" feels unearned.

>tfw no sequel where Megatron and Optimus teamup against the Quintessons and then become enemies again.
Seriously fuck the investors for making that shitty first trailer.

>>23592714 (OP)
>I watched it, and it's actually pretty good...? But why did it flop so hard?

Because it's clearly a young childrens' movie. It panders to children that are between 5 to 8 years old. And the writing is very predictable.

You have a serious problem when video game cutscenes (like War for Cybertron and Fall of Cybertron) tell much more interesting and mature story - without talking like down to the audience.

Bumblebee isn't running around acting like a clown in the video games, and telling bad jokes like in TF1. No one wants to see that in a Transformers movie. Bumblebee isn't meant to be comedy relief.

Even the Cybertron battle scenes in the Bumblebee movie were more engaging. People want to see a War for Cybertron movie with good CGI. I don't understand why Hasbro and Hollywood don't get that.

>>23597623
Because the whole point of putting Megatron on the lost light in the first place was that dying isn't atonement and facing the consequences for his actions, it's just dipping because shits broke. Spending the rest of his life working to undo the shit the war caused while also letting go of his own ego is a much better end than "oh I guess he's dying off panel while everyone mopes about their own lives".

>>23605794
OR.... You could have Megatron die on screen. Preferably in a battle. Like the old saying goes: You live by the sword. You die by the sword.

>>23592714 (OP)
This movie was too ambitious for its own good. The rush to make D-16 into the murderous Megatron was just that, very rushed. It barely justifies how Starscream and the other high guard would follow Megatron. This should have been broken up into two or three movies if they wanted to do a decent origin story for the autobots and decepticons.

>>23605804
>It barely justifies how Starscream and the other high guard would follow Megatron.
they believe in might makes right
megatron, powered up by a t-cog of one of the 13 primes, beat the shit out of starscream

>>23605796
Oh yeah of course, that would be a perfectly acceptable ending for him, I was working within the framework of what MTMTE was seemingly setting up. I'd say the best end for any megatron would be to go down swinging against the bigger threat that pops up, because its his damn universe to conquer and if he can't have it, then he sure as hell isn't letting anyone else. (pic related)

>>23606439
I respect that idea.

But I just want to see a good writer tackle the idea of the Great War ending in a conventional way. Maybe one last big battle between the Autobots and Decepticons where Megatron falls (Preferably without humans being involved).

I've been reading Transformers comics for years and seems like all the TF comic writers REALLY *struggle* with ending the Great War in a good way, and how to rebuild Cybertron after that. They don't know what to do with Optimus or Megatron either, and the many of the post-war stories don't really go anywhere. Lots of talking, politics, etc.

Transformers Animated cartoon from the 2000s tackled the idea in an interesting way. Decepticons were more power military robots. The Autobots were significantly weaker, and had to rely on building fortifications, fortresses, and underground bases to hold the line. The Autobots were slowly losing. But they came up with Project Omega. The Autobots won the Great War (at great cost) by mass producing giant Omega Supreme transformers loaded with tons of weapons and guns.

But even with that, the Autobots only just *barely* won. Cybertron cities were trashed, and most of the Omega Supreme bots were destroyed. Only a small amount Omega supreme bots survived. All of them were severely damaged and had to be put in stasis. Reminded me of the brutality of World War 1.

The Decepticons fled to build bases elsewhere and gather their strength again.

The Autobots had to slowly rebuild Cybertron, but the war took a heavy toll. There was constant energon shortages. And the Autobots didn't have the resources to use the Omega Supreme bots again.

>>23606483
I liked IDW exploring post-war with starscream naturally sliding into becoming a politician and issues with the remaining resentment of both factions and neutral parties. They correctly concluded that Optimus and Megatron were both symbols of the war and either of them coming to power would prevent moving on from that era.