Thread 23599816

Are you team hardwork or team genetics?

>>23599816 (OP)
I honestly like both. I know a lot of Westerners inevitably prefer the hard-working hero over "genetic nepobaby", as our societies always value meritocracy over inheritance, but both can be done in a good and a bad way for a story. After all, it is merely a narrative tool at the end of the day.

>>23599874
>as our societies always value meritocracy over inheritance
Made me laugh out loud, good one.

The ability to work hard is also genetics.

>>23599874
>our societies always value meritocracy over inheritance

>>23599816 (OP)
>okay let's see
>Amuro
lol

>kamille
>genetics
This thread is fucking retarded.

>>23599816 (OP)
Team HardGenetics

>>23599816 (OP)
Suletta is both. She can use GUND because of her genetics but she's been piloting since a very young age.
Mika is hard work, he got implants for the Alaya-Vijnana but that's not genetics.

>>23599816 (OP)
Mika is manufactured, not genetics. The AV implants turn you into a newtype and he has THREE of them.

>>23599816 (OP)

Don't understand how the hell Kamille or Mikazuki are GENETICS when they are looked at like fucking morons and both get wrecked by the end of their stories.

>>23599928
It was explicitly told that Mika won genetic lottery. Usual human can barely have one alaya-vijnana implant. And that super-human had three of them.

>>23599816 (OP)
>Setsuna
>Hard work
Setsuna was a trash pilot until Ali shot him and he started evolving into an Innovator. Even the other characters noticed the change.

>>23599924
Suletta has never been in any real combat situations. The schoolyard Gundam battles don’t count.

>Amuro
isn't being a newtype part of genetics? He only sucked early on because he had 0 experience piloting a mobile suit.
>Shinn and Kira
aren't they both the same? Coordinators are skilled by default. the whole Kira being the Ultimate one doesn't really matter.

>>23600031
That's not a genetic lottery, that's degraded medical techniques and shitty back-alley doctors doing illegal surgeries on people with no human rights.

Setsuna was 100% genetics.

My least favorite is underdog asspuletics like Judau.

>>23600092
Judau is 100% hard work.

>>23600031
That's not the genetic lottery that's just being stupidly lucky and having a borderline suicidal mentality to even want to attempt 3 implants when one is more than sufficient.

>>23599874
Dumbest shit I heard all day. Meritocracy is pure propaganda to keep the masses from revolting by fooling them into believing they can be the boot too if they just work hard enough.

>>23599925
Most people can barely survive one AV implant, let alone 3. Clearly something about Murder Manlet's physiology makes him better at handling the implants than others.

>>23599816 (OP)
This is bait because Mikazuki is clearly not genetics. Practically the first thing you see him doing is stupid amounts of pull-ups and a perhaps slightly-too-horny view of his back muscles.

>>23600078
>isn't being a newtype part of genetics?
No, it's a spontaneous attribute that comes from living in space at a critical age.

>>23600149
Right. And it's not that hard work can't earn you skills, it's that society doesn't necessarily recognize or value the skills that hard work develops.

>Kamille
>Genetics
???

>>23600209
Not having Tem Ray's genetics is like winning the lottery.

>>23600154
No he was just very lucky.

>>23600068
So what exactly disqualifies terroristic plots? In both seasons?

>>23600209
kamille is one of, if not the, strongest newtype in the uc
unfortunately for him that starts becoming a problem later on when he's starts being able to feel everyone dying around him and cracks under the weight of it all

>>23599879
>>23599903
>>23600149
I am ESL. What I meant to say was that our culture is more biased towards hard work, because self-made people are usually seen in better light than people who just inherit things.

>>23599816 (OP)
Genes

>>23600068
But she has been piloting and using the Aerial for help on Mercury since she was very young. And her only entertainment was the mobile suit simulator.

>>23600068
Suletta might not have been in any real combat situations, but so haven't many civilian test pilots or piloting instructors ever been. It doesn't mean that they are any less skilled. Even most fighter pilots in the majority of militaries world-wide have never been and never will enter real combat situations.

>>23599816 (OP)
Some of these definitely don't seem right.
Amuro definitely benefits from being genetically a Newtype as well as being the son of Tem Ray.
Shinn is able enter SEED mode and is genetically superior to even other Coordinators, even Durandal who is literally trying to dictate everyone's lives by their genetics picked him to be an ace pilot.

>>23600078
>>23600725
Shinn is in a weird spot. Although he has the Durandal picked SEED genetics, apparently one of the tie-in novels for Seed Freedom stated he sucked at MS combat simulations when he first started at the academy. He had to grind away all of his free time at the simulator to get to a point where he was decent.

>>23599928
if tekkadan still had biscut, they wouldn't have accepted mackie's deal. However getting nuked and surviving it is no small feat.

>>23599816 (OP)
Kamille>Amuro
Setsuna>Shinn
Heero>Kira
Suletta>Mikazuki

>>23599816 (OP)
Team dumb luck.

Except Amuro, all of them are mediocre pilots at best, completely carried by their overpowered units.Then again, most protagonists suffer this issue, if you want truly hardworking pilots you should browse the underdog/wingmen roster

>>23601207
That's wrong. Amuro himself is nothing special
Amuro at his best would not beat Kira, Shinn or Setsuna, who are all FAR better pilots.

Even Heero and Mika would give him a tough challenge.

>>23599924
>>23600701
Worth noting in the final fight she's explicitly got nothing going for her beyond the fact that using Calibarn turned up that high doesn't instantly kill her. Like others have said she's good because she's basically had nothing to do other than become a piloting autist until she was 17.

>>23600657
Which is what you wrote, but we're laughing because it's blatantly untrue. I recommend finishing high school first before talking about how society works buddy.

>>23600657
Culturally we might be more biased toward looking favorably on it but practically speaking inherited wealth and status are far more powerful. Even if you work hard enough and get lucky enough to become "new money" you will never be as important as the genetic reject who was born into daddy's billions, and the world will treat you as such.

>>23601292
>>23601290
I was talking about how people, like you and me, look at things. The fact that you reacted this strongly to this, tells me that you agree that people generally value hard work more. I was not talking about the de facto side of things in society. I was talking about general perceptions. You see it all the time, when some shonen hero is not actually a hard worker but has some magical inheritance that makes him strong. People dislike that, and prefer the hard work part.

>>23601401
Youre not a people

>>23600068
Dunno, she seems to know what she's doing using Calibarn and when she fought Guel on fencer.

>>23599816 (OP)
Hard work and belief in God. Jokes aside, I lean more towards hard work but it really depends how they're executed and written. I love Kamille and his newtype god powers (he still put in the work to develop them and I view them as more of a visualization of his character development) as much as I love Garrod's spunk or Bernie and Uso's resourcefulness. And yeah, I know Uso's a newtype but his abilities are very understated compared to the Early UC protags and most of his wins are the result of his wits.

>>23599874
I get what ZUN was trying to do with these two in the Windows era but I think his poor writing and storytelling skills really let these two down. Reimu's dull at best and actively lame at worst while Marisa's hard work amounts to nothing as she lives in Reimu's shadow.

>>23599816 (OP)
>Kamille
>Genetics
nani the fuck?

>>23601167
The power to make the laws of cause and effect sit back and go "hold up, let's see where she's going with this"

>>23599816 (OP)
Kamille and Heero should be hard work but this fan tier sucks anyway so it doesn't matter.

>>23599816 (OP)
Both of them.

>>23599874
>our societies always value meritocracy over inheritance
only aesthetically, maybe

>>23599816 (OP)
Hardwork.