Thread 23604782

Power Rangers is irrelevant and needed to rely on nostalgiashit while Super Sentai is the least profitable which leads to rebranding or some shit. Why team based toku are in decline?

>>23604782 (OP)
Modern western kids outgrew Power Rangers, and exec's refusal to adapt to the tablet generation doomed them. Sentai toys fucking suck and cost what you would spend on a good toy. They actually tried to make a good toy once and it did really well, but they just never came up with a single good one afterwards.

>>23604782 (OP)
Anon of course Super Sentai is the least profitable, it had power rangers as a parasyte that wouldn’t let it air in most of the world

The moment ultraman had that netflix shit every show wanted to go global but super sentai just can’t do it that’s why the rebrand is important it will hopefully be a loophole

>>23604888
Remember that time Saban strongarmed a Sentai parody using zero actual Sentai IP, into tossing, "INSPIRED BY SABAN'S POWER RANGERS" on all the marketing and also pay him royalties?

>>23604782 (OP)
>What exactly went wrong with both Super Sentai & Power Rangers?
The show wasn't resonating with the kids enough. Japan is so slow to change, that they're unable to pivot fast enough, even across a decade. Additionally, the toys have been pretty weak for years.

>>23604782 (OP)
Sentai toys were shit and the shows were lackluster. Why bother with Sentai if other shows like Rider did everything better? And their attempts to changed just flat out failed or happened too late in the game.

They were just too complacent and didn't do anything to turn the ship around until it was too late when the ship was already half sunk.

>>23604888
>Anon of course Super Sentai is the least profitable, it had power rangers as a parasyte that wouldn’t let it air in most of the world
This is a cope, Rider had next to no presence in the western market and it still outsold Sentai domestically by a wide margin.

>>23604909
Don't forget threatening Square Enix for having multi colored costumes like the 2017 PR movie. He really is a cunt

>>23604782 (OP)
Sentai toys are shit compared to the competition and Hasbro's constant Genwunnery is a terrible fit for a franchise meant to refresh every season.
>>23604888
Those aren't that relevant. Kamen Rider has been outselling Sentai's and Ultraman's highest recorded revenue on a yearly basis since 2009 with literally no exceptions even without official releases. Ultraman has a much larger international (which is to say Chinese) audience than the other two but the international market is still only like a quarter of Bandai's Ultra revenue. Hasbro cockblocking western Sentai releases definitely worsens Toei's ability to make money from it but the show was failing in Japan regardless, the sales were going down even when Shout was releasing DVDs.

Kamen Rider didn't have a TV series in all of the 1990s. Sentai needs a break too.

>>23605811
>but the international market is still only like a quarter of Bandai's Ultra revenue.

For a few years it was more than twice the revenue from Japanese toys, although Bandai managed to hurt the Chinese numbers with the last couple of series, still almost as much as what they make in Japan though.

>>23605825
Wow alright that's way more than I expected.

>>23604782 (OP)
They're too expensive. PR got infected with the woke mind virus. SS can't compete against cartoons like Pretty Cure, Paw Patrol, and fucking PJ Masks.

>>23605814
Rider always had a solid manchildren fanbase that always fought hard for keeping the property on the public consciousness and never stop asking for new shows. By comparison, Japan took sentai by granted and view it as something kids watch and then move on. This is especially bad after the 00s considering Japanese entertainment in general moved to the obsessive fan market rather than appealing to everyone

>>23604782 (OP)
1. Mighty Morphin Power Rangers knew how to do serialized storytelling. They connected all their shows together in one cinematic universe. They did it at least a full decade before Marvel even existed. They also knew what to edit out for the Western Audience. This led to Power Rangers making $15 billion dollars over 10 years in merchandise sales.

However the owners of power rangers changed several times in the 2000s. From Saban, to Disney, back to Saban, and now to Hasbro with Netflix support. With so many changes in ownership, the TV show had no clear direction. Directors and Executives and writers constantly changed their ideas. This has led to inconsistent stories. And the franchise also suffered from forced DEI diversity. They hired actors based on their ethnicity and not their talent.

2. Super Sentai has some really cool ideas (powered suits, martial arts, and giant robots fighting monsters), but the company that makes Super Sentai is extremely rigid. They are unwilling to adapt or incorporate Western ideas (such as serialized storytelling, more mature storytelling, or letting actors stay on for more than one season). The Sentai stories got more and more zany and wacky to appeal to the dwindling Japanese fanbase, and the writing focused more on appealing to children under 5 years old. The acting stories were very bad. They started making stuff like (Pic related), and eventually becoming a shadow of their former selves. The ratings and toy sales plummeted which lead to Super Sentai being almost canceled several times. It's future is unknown.

Another issue is that Super Sentai Executives at Toei seem to have a grudge against Power Rangers. Several interviews were done over the years where they said they grateful that Power Rangers is successful and shares profits WITH Toei. But they don't understand why Power Rangers is a success but the world rejects Super Sentai. Some even said it makes them upset that the world likes Power Rangers much more.

>>23605999
>Mighty Morphin Power Rangers knew how to do serialized storytelling
Just say Saban-era. MMPR is actively the worst of them, even more than Turbo.

>>23606019
I'm not going to use made up fan terms. My explanation is for those who aren't fans and don't follow the franchise.

A Duel thread

>>23604782 (OP)
It's the toys. Sentai toys are expensive and offer little to no play value, with articulation now that's the same as it was 50 years ago. It only took Transformers 10 years of that time to go from immobile bricks to the fully articulated toys of Beast Wars, a level of articulation they've now had for over 30 years, while costing the exact same amount that Sentai toys do.

If I want the final Sentai robot, I need to spend:
>$50 on Tegasword
>$30 x 5 on Wolf, Leon, Eagle, Unicorn, and Tyranno's weapons
>$70 on RyoTegasword
That's $270 for a robot that can't move anything but its shoulders. Plus I would have wasted $50 on OrcaBooster and $90 on Goodeburn and his bear if I thought I might need those for the final form (I don't), so $410 dollars for all the robots.

That's twice what I'd need to get the Gavv belt and every Gochizo he uses in the show ($210). It's enough to buy somewhere between ten and twenty Transformers or Shinkalions depending on which ones I like. Hell, it's enough to buy two Soul of Chogokins. It's enough to buy two or three THE GATTAIs. What kid or adult collector is going to spend that much money on an immobile brick instead of any of those other options?

>>23605999
This is the dumbest shit I've ever read.
It reads like someone that is a huge PR fan but never bothered with Super Sentai.
>They are unwilling to adapt or incorporate Western ideas
Why would they bother? Its for Japan not for you.

>>23606160
>Why would they bother? Its for Japan not for you.
Toei Executives have been saying for DECADES that they want Super Sentai to appeal to the entire world.

>>23606169
It already did. It aired in plenty of countries. Just not the US.

>>23606174
Do you not understand English?

>>23606160
>Why would they bother
Because they want Super Sentai to be a worldwide smash hit like Power Rangers was, but they refuse to incorporate any changes to allow that to happen. They want people to accept Super Sentai as is, and be amazed.

>>23606194
Do you? Sentai already had worldwide appeal. People love it outside of Japan.
>>23606199
>worldwide smash hit
For like 5 years. If that.

>>23606160
What do you have against serialized storytelling and making sequels to popular Sentai seasons? Not every season needs a brand new cast.

>>23606214
Sentai has serialized storytelling already retard.
You don't know what that means.

>>23606217
Not between seasons.

>>23606232
That's not what serialized means retard.

>>23606217
They could very easily keep the same cast and make a sequel season.

>>23606237
see >>23606235
Why did you reply to me twice?

>>23606156
Yup, 50-80 dollars and you get toys from Takara or Korea that have standard modern articulation, neat gimmicks and lots of combo's in one package. Wild king, Shinkalion, Jobraver, Metal Cardbots, Miniforce.

>>23604782 (OP)
>PR
Disney's disinterest (especially after getting Marvel) and then geewunnery both from Saban and Hasbro.
>Sentai
Shit toys, hack writers, identity crisis. Still does better than one would expect from it though.

>>23606156
They should make the robos as plamo moving on forward.

Super Sentai became gay baby shit for gay babies which is exactly what happened to Metal Heroes and will eventually befall Kamen Rider. Toei being retarded is and always has been the problem. There's a reason why they get considerably less anime licenses than they used to.

>>23606297
That's the really embarrassing thing: ever year we get minipla that demonstrate that none of these toys have to be bricks. It's perfectly possible for people at Bandai to work a full set of joints into them without compromising anything about the designs or combinations. It's just pure laziness on the parts of the DX designers.

>>23605999
Don't bother trying to explain. This thread is just a stealth thread for sentai fans to whine and complain. They don't actually want to have a genuine good faith discussion on what's wrong with sentai how to improve it.

>>23606303
Pretty much this. The change happened sometime during the 2010s.

>>23606303
Cope.
THREE TYPICAL AVERAGE KIDS INSIDE A HAUNTED MANSION raped PR for a reason.

>>23606322
>random sperg about Beetleborgs
What are you even talking about
Did you read the post you quoted

>>23606331
People love "gay baby shit for gay babies"

I think maybe they just ran out of ideas. There;s going to be a lot of distinctiveness in any franchise that's gone on for as long as this one has but, and I admit this is a gross oversimplification, but even in terms of super hero stuff I always kind of got the impression that they were really just repacking the same stuff over and over. It's always 3-5 people in the same spandex doing the same poses before fighting the same rubber monsters who turn giant for the same guy in a box suit to fight. And I don't want to sound as if I'm slagging the formula because it's always a case of execution and we've seen it done well and poorly many times. But it really is the same song and dance even when it's done well to a point were you wonder if Japan can even do a hero outside of this fashion, heck even when they adapted other heroes they made it follow this style. Supaidaman was pretty cool though.

>>23606342
They could’ve done a sports-themed Sentai at least

>>23606342
With the rumors of everyone having distinct armored suits, they probably realized they could double their profits with another "rider" show. If KR have have many riders like a Sentai, then why not turn Sentai into rider(with robots) as well?

>>23606342
You say this, as if the formula never changed in the recent years.

They should pull Jetman and make it soap opera

>>23604782 (OP)
My guess is that few of the seasons are really able to stand out from the rest. When you get down to it a multi-season line up of Super Sentai heroes what you see is a massive line of similar red silhouettes with a few that stand out like Zenkaiger. They blend together rather than standing out as individuals like the Kamen Rider and even Ultraman line ups do.

>>23606342
>>23606352
>>23606358
I think it is that they feel more limited by the nature of "task forces" which need to be more homogeneous. Several of the seasons starting with Zenkaiger have been trying to get around the need for the Sentai members to have a unified look.

>Zenkaiger
The "Sentai" is made of 1 hero+4 robo buddies with Twokaiser and Stacaesar as secondary heroes/rivals.

>King-Ohger
The idea of 5/6 "equal" kings was limited by all the Ohgers needing to look similar.

>Donbrothers
While the Donbrothers each had a more distinct silhouette they were still limited by the need to have a unified design. This interfered with the "diverse group inadvertently needing to work together for their own reasons" theme.

I wouldn't be surprised if the rebrand is more about freeing them from the limitation that every year must have a 5+ member Sentai with a Red lead.

>>23606390
Yeah, they should try doing a Sentai written by Toshiki Inoue a second time.

Super Sentai has been suffering from self-wankery real bad ever since Gokaiger, releasing tons of toys that reference older shows using whatever the current series' gimmick is, and it's finally catching up with them.

The whole "current rangers can transform into rangers from past series" thing isn't exactly helping either.

The formula is too rigid because it has too many repeating parts. Helmets with black visors, suits with generally similar silhouettes, giant robot fights every episode, etc. Kamen Rider is also very formulaic, but the formula is flexible. You can go from Build to Gaim to Zi-O to Zeztz, and never feel like you're watching the same thing, they're all very different, with different stories and designs. It doesn't get boring, while Sentai does. Sentai also tries to appeal to literal toddlers too much, with all the silly humor and dancing, even when the stories try to do something more serious. This makes modern Sentai feel like Kamen Rider for kids, as oxymoronic as that sounds. The toys are also often uninteresting, with boring brick robots and roleplay devices that don't hold a candle to Rider belts.
If they're rebranding, hopefully they'll finally get rid of all this childish formulaic crap and do something people would actually wanna watch.

>>23606342
Japanese Spider-man created the beat small monster -> face big monster format, and its success led to Super Sentai taking that.

Like others mentioned though, I think the issue is the "team" itself. Homogenized suits, forced to fight together even when the writing is trying to make them standalone (Kingohger, Donbrothers, Gozyuger also suffer from this, Kingohger handled it the best out of these 3, but it's really a problem they have trying to make their heroes stand out, the Sentai format itself goes against it.

For a long time, Super Sentai was the only place where you could get multiple heroes at all, so these issues didn't hurt it much, but nowadays when you have Rider with multiple heroes that are actually allowed to stand on their own, Super Sentai's limitations end up just sabotaging its own heroes.

PR basically got killed by being stigmatized as baby shit in the West where everyone wants to be cool and mature as soon as possible and PR is inherently the opposite of that.

Children are a gradually shrinking market and Bandai never quite figured out how to make Super Sentai figures enticing to adult collectors.

>>23606478
S.H. Figuarts were good enough, but the shows stopped being interesting to anyone above the age of 6, so that whole line got cancelled.

>>23604782 (OP)
Power Rangers needed to grow with the times and they also relied way to heavily on the first season nostalgia.

Super Sentai is a whole other rabbit hole. The main reason I believe is because even if it was a show for children it was way to childish. Let me explain. The whole episodic nature was a fucking terrible idea that threw away story driven narratives by dumbing down shit. Kids nowadays are much more in the know of shit. They have access to the internet since very young. The way sentai treated them like they were too fucking dumb and not aware to be able to understand an over arching story that gets advanced every episode bit them in the ass.

Look at Kamen Rider. Kamen Rider ate shit by following the same formula and was only revived because Kuuga was more like a Jdrama that both older and younger fans could enjoy. This has led Kamen Rider to do very well for itself since its return in the 2000s. Sentai needs to 100% follow the Kamen Rider formula if it wants to survive. Make interesting stories with well written characters that you care about. Shit both young and older fans will enjoy.

Basically remember how awesome Sentai was during the 80s and try that again.

>>23606510
80s Sentai outside of Liveman is formulaic as hell. Reiwa is unironically a more experimental period for the franchise.

>>23606495
Honestly, the bigger problem (or at least the one I have) with Super Sentai's S.H. Figuarts is that generally people want to be able to collect their favorite teams in their entirety. Which they can't do if figures get canceled.

And if people genuinely do just want to get their favorite character, well, fuck you if your favorite isn't a red or sixth.

>>23606511
By the standards of the time, Hirohisa Soda giving villains character arcs was pretty damn novel and he did that as early as fucking Dynaman. Though these days it's common place.

Will Power Rangers be able to carry Sentai’s legacy?

>>23606533
What are the odds they just do remakes of Zeo and beyond and then do remakes of the older Sentai?

>>23606533
Zyuoh The Whopper

The guy always sperging out about "serialization" is the /prg/ anon. Just let him have his threads back so he can retread the same five topics.

>>23606546
>What are the odds they just do remakes of Zeo and beyond and then do remakes of the older Sentai?
It's possible. Depends if Toei will share the original Sentai battle footage and let the Americans rescan the footage in HD quality.

Toei is too cheap to pay for it themselves.

>>23606468
>For a long time, Super Sentai was the only place where you could get multiple heroes at all, so these issues didn't hurt it much, but nowadays when you have Rider with multiple heroes that are actually allowed to stand on their own, Super Sentai's limitations end up just sabotaging its own heroes.

I don't pretend to be the deepest expert on this stuff but I also feel like the team aspect feels a bit token. They'll fight together and do their poses and all that but it rarely feels like a collection of heroes with their own distinct traits outside whatever personality gimmick they have. Like if you compare a given sentai team to say, Fantastic Four or the X-men. Heroes all designed to function as a team but with far more distinct abilities to solve any given crisis. A lot of the time it feels like everyone is kind of the same outside of what weapon they use to pummel on fodder mooks. It's a team series but a team of what?

Not to get too east vs west as well but I feel like there's an interesting distinction where Japanese media will focus a lot of its energy on the fight at hand while in a western comic or hero franchise you'll get your big super hero punch up but usually there's something bigger going on in the background. Find the hostage, diffuse the bomb, drive off the galactic planet eater and the fight is usually a play for time rather than the end result. Not always a lot of comics end in big dumb action fisticuffs.

>>23604789
>They actually tried to make a good toy once and it did really well
which one?

>>23606832
Onitaijin

>>23604782 (OP)
>>23604789
Short story: This just isn't Super Sentai/Power Rangers's timeline

Long story:
There were a few things that could have worked in Super Sentai and Power Rangers favour. See, one of the early people to see profit in the idea was Stan Lee. THE Stan Lee. Its the reason why we have Battle Fever J - Battle Fever is actually supposed to be a Marvel property. Its why it was one of two productions Marvel did with Toei (the other being Supaidaman) Now, who owned Power Rangers for a short while, then sold it off, and during that period also bought Marvel? That's right. DISNEY. We COULD have lived in a world where Super Sentai could have "reconnected" with its Disney roots. Its not too far fetched - again, Battle Fever J. You could literally have a Power Rangers team meet an adaptation of Battle Fever J, do some timey wimey bullshit, and bam! Battle Fever J is now formally in the Marvel Multiverse, along with Super Sentai.
But that didn't happen. Because Disney didn't see the point in adapting Sentai, a reason why they stopped at RPM. (great season btw). Saban didn't want to see the IP wasted, so bought it back. Problem was, the corner-cutting that worked for Saban in the 90s just couldn't work for newer audiences.
In addition, Sentai just got more "unadaptable". We got ToQger, Lupinranger & Patranger, Donbrothers and a number of other sentais that were too up its own butt about with things that didn't really lend to adaptation.
But thing was, sentai "needs" adaptation? Why, you ask? Because adaptation meant more revenue - toys that were sold in a sentai season could be sold internationally. And repurporsed. As power rangers toys. But Toei didn't see that, and became more recluse. And of course, Hasbro's ineptitude did not help (Cosmic Fury was a fucking disaster)

There's no one simple reason. No single party to lay the blame on.
All that one can do is just dream of a better world. One, where Battle Fever J got its own Marvel comic revival.

>>23606869
I want to touch Battle Kenya's helmet ears...

>>23606869
If Battle Fever J got tied in with Marvel and caught on instead of being forgotten, all that realistically would happen is the Western audience would hyperfixate on that and ignore the rest of Sentai, like it does with MMPR.

>>23606869
iirc they also were eyeing a Silver Surfer show per that FOOM or whatever with Stan shaking hands with young cartoonist Nagai Go
also wasn't there an attempt at getting a Sun Vulcan off the ground pre-saban? I want to say I recall Sunbow/Marvel in the loop on that?

>>23606869
>But thing was, sentai "needs" adaptation? Why, you ask? Because adaptation meant more revenue - toys that were sold in a sentai season could be sold internationally. And repurporsed. As power rangers toys. But Toei didn't see that, and became more recluse. And of course, Hasbro's ineptitude did not help (Cosmic Fury was a fucking disaster)
Sentai only became really unadaptable with Zenkaiger and that only happened after Bandai lost rights to sell the PR toys. Before that Toei specifically made Kyuranger with adaptation to western market in mind. Go figure.

>>23606921
True, but I would say it would be at least two teams that would get hyperfixated instead of just one - Battle Fever J and Zyuranger/Mighty Morphin. Instead we end up with a timeline where power rangers is dead in the west and they only care for mighty morphin', while super sentai is put into Odinsleep until the next reset, which will be Kuuga-style. Maybe.

>>23604782 (OP)
Faggot Pandering as always

>>23606948
Problem was that Kyuranger's toys also sucked ass. It was a thing on /ssg/ back in the day. Fat lot of help Bandai of America did for Bandai Japan. I don't blame Saban for selling it to Hasbro - inept as Hasbro was eventually, the first set of Beast Morphers toys was promising.

>>23604909
Can't believe the gigajew will outlive both

>>23606823
Kamen Rider shifted heavily to the western comic style when it revived, even the more MotW seasons would have two-parters where the heroes often lost the fight in the first episode because of something else they haven't solved. Sentai can't get away with this because it needs a minimum of two fights per episode and making the mecha fight more emotionally complex is harder. King-Ohger is the most story heavy season and it did that in part by sidelining the mecha for sometimes months on end.

>>23606869
>But thing was, sentai "needs" adaptation?
No, it fucking didn't. Sentai was doing fine in Brazil, France and such before PR. 5 clean diversity hires fighting against the most nonthreatening villains ever made (otherwise soccer moms would bitch about it) only poisoned the well in the long run, because now everyone looks at a team of heroes in different colors and thinks "wow that's Power Rangers how lame". And that's how 2017 movie came to be, it had to have deaths, angst and a revenge porn sideplot to fight against the stigma. Similar things can be said for the comics, everytime PR leaves the show it becomes edgy because of it.
>toys that were sold in a sentai season could be sold internationally
Something similar happened in Brazil (Jiban and Winspector toys by Glasslite) and it didn't need to PRfy anything to do this. Look at other shows who were PRfied in the past, like Yugioh and Digimon, sure everyone has nostalgia over their first shows because they grew up with them, but I'm sure no one cared about Zexal or Xros Wars 4kids dubs.

And I'm 100% sure Zyuranger would have been far more popular than PR if it aired worldwide.

>>23606985
>shifted to the Western comic style
Did it? I don't see stories that use the same characters as 100 years ago where nothing actually changes because they rely on novelty like "watch as Riderman dies for the 8th time, this time he might be gone for more than half a year"

>>23604782 (OP)
>>23606288
>>23606869
The thing with Saban was that he tried to recreate his success in the 90's that didn't work in the modern day not only for Power Rangers but for well, everything.
American kids who grew up on Digimon don't have nostalgia for Fusion, if they wanted to watch Xros Wars they could've just looked up fan subs online.
Saturday Morning Cartoon Blocks were a staple back then but simply didn't work in a post-streaming world.
In a post-DCAU, post-Avatar, etc world where Western children's shows became more serious (at the time), Power Rangers went backwards instead of forwards because Saban was obsessed with recreating the MMPR formula that made that first season such a huge hit without understanding that times have changed.
The 2017 movie bombing was when Saban called it quits and we got Brian Goldner who did seem genuinely interested in Power Rangers.....and then he got cancer and died leaving the rest of Hasbro scratching their heads because they Goldner took those plans with him and he spent $522 million on Power Rangers (which came with VR Troopers, Beetleborgs, My Pet Monster, etc because let's face it Haim gave an all or nothing deal to inflate the price)

Life just isn't a team based endeavor anymore. At most you support one two others who aren't direct family.
They have unfortunately highlighted that with Gozyuger, with them barely being a team even this far into the show, still essentially just working with each other out of convenience, not due to shared convictions.

>>23606303
But I actually liked Kiramager, the last show to actually feel like it was for a younger audience to me.
It's the newer shows that are hit and miss and biting off more than they can choose with story-lines and concepts.

>>23607094
What works elsewhere doesn't cut it here. The US hates Japan and would never accept a Japanese superhero show.

>>23607101
>I don't see stories that use the same characters as 100 years ago where nothing actually changes

The only thing that changes with Sentai is the names. They'll distract you with a new costume but it's the same exact shit. Don't try to and get smug over your particular children's entertainment.

>>23607183
>The US hates Japan

That was only the boomer executives that were afraid of the Japanese making all the money and buying their baseball teams. Little kids didn't care where Mario was coming from.

>>23607183
Still seething over Pearl Harbor? It wasn't really US soil at the time because there were too many brown people still living on Hawaii. It was a militar base. Meanwhile America air bombed civilians and dropped nukes on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

America was a mistake

>>23607193
Mario has round blue eyes and he's oficially Italian-American. I bet most kids weren't even aware Mario was created by a Japanese company

>>23607161
That's not the reason.

>The thing with Saban was that he tried to recreate his success in the 90's that didn't work in the modern day not only for Power Rangers but for well, everything.

Except Saban didn't try to do same. He made the new Power Ranger TV show so childish and simple. Even for a power ranger show for kids, it was super childish. My nephew couldn't even watch it and called it a show for babies. At the time, My nephew was 8 years old. You have a serious problem when an 8 year old is rejecting your kids show. 8 year olds are supposed to be your target demographic with power rangers!

Then Saban made the 2017 Power Ranger movie. Except the movie wasn't connected to the TV show at all! Another mistake. It was a brand new cast! So the remaining fans the TV show had were disappointed. The old 90s PR movie worked because it was connected to the same TV show show. It was a celebration of 90s power rangers cast. But the 2017 movie had to waste precious time with backstory and reintroducing characters.

The third problem was that the 2017 movie was that it just wasn't a good movie. There wasn't enough action or fighting. Not enough martial arts action. The movie was 90% teen drama until the last 25 minutes. They also went way too hard on the forced diversity and forced trauma. They chanced Billy's ethnicity to black and made him literally autistic. Wtf.

They also hired a noob Director who, if you look up their IMDB history, has almost no experience. He was simply friends with Saban and got the job through connections. This isn't the type of director that you give your $150 million movie to. All of his promo interviews remind me of a fresh film school graduate who is happy to just make a movie. Too giddy. Too inexperienced. At least hire a director who made several feature films!

If the TV show was fun to watch and the 2017 movie was entertaining, then we wouldnt be having this discussion.

>>23605999
No foreign company likes their properties being made into chop-shop because Americans are racist retards. No other country goes out of their way to erase Japanese people and culture from toku and anime for decades.

It's only since the new millennium that anime is being more professionally dubbed and closer to the Japanese scripts. Not to mention keeping the Japanese songs even.

Live-action is a different animal. The again this is the same country who arrested Hyundai employees in Georgia because of MAGAtards and now the locals are begging Korea to come back. Americans do not like Asian people..

>>23607193
And then the US destroyed Japan's economy because they were afraid. Good job. You tanked an ally and trading partner while strengthening the PRC. Leaked Intel even says the Chinese aren't going to do anything but sit back and watch us crumble. They don't have to lift a finger.

>>23607195
A lot of the most influential Nintendo stuff back then had a very WESTERN FRIENDLY vibe to it. Metroid and Zelda were pretty basic sci fi and fantasy, Punch Out was basically Rocky and Mario was well Mario. Honestly I think a lot of games from that era had a lot of western influence in them and it wasn't for good whiley before things started to get, for want of a better term, aggressively weeby. Even with the manga artist tie ins you could show the Ishinomori Zelda magazine to some kids in the west and they'd think nothing of it. I mean there's an obvious design difference but it wasn't as strongly emphasized. Outside of changing to angry eyes.

>>23606412
Works for Kamen Rider

>>23607200
>No other country goes out of their way to erase Japanese people and culture from toku
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>>23607214
Yeah Tsuburaya had that in mind to tap into the US

>>23606823
Comparing comic books to low-budget live-action TV is wrong. Of course comics could do more varied heroes, they didn't have to film anything on a shoestring budget. A more apt comparison would be something like Cyborg 009, which had a rather varied group of heroes.
>Not to get too east vs west as well but I feel like there's an interesting distinction where Japanese media will focus a lot of its energy on the fight at hand while in a western comic or hero franchise you'll get your big super hero punch up but usually there's something bigger going on in the background. Find the hostage, diffuse the bomb, drive off the galactic planet eater and the fight is usually a play for time rather than the end result. Not always a lot of comics end in big dumb action fisticuffs.
You're also comparing very episodic TV shows to infamously serialized comic books. The whole point was to make every episode standalone so kids could always jump in and understand the general idea, the fact that comics didn't do it actually turned into a problem that they still can't resolve - people find it too daunting to get into.

>>23607217
I just love how it's everything except an audible PING as the dude gets removed

>>23607200
>No foreign company likes their properties being made into chop-shop because Americans are racist retards.
Shut up. Toei was paid billions of dollars. They took the deal and aren't allowed to complain.

>>23607221
It really shames me as an American that we're this assbackward

>>23607200
>>23607214
>super sentai is Japanese Culture!!!
You can't separate it. It's impossibru!

Evidently not. Since power rangers did it, and made billions of dollars.

>>23607224
They only accepted the deal because they tried to break into the US and the money was good back then for only 1 year's footage to adapt.

But even the creative staff disliked PR treating sentai as a source of clips and props. Glad PR is dead.

>>23607227
It used to. Now it's a rotting corpse.

>>23607225
as far as I can tell it really wasn't until Saban sold the idea that you HAD to do this that it became popular
Godzilla did it with Raymond Burr but most things just dubbed it, Giant Robo and Ultraman did little to hide their Japanese origins and were in syndication for ages.
Kung Fu movies never had to hide that they were asians in them
obviously these weren't pinnacles of society but Soupy Sales knew who Mothra was

>>23607200
Super Sentai fans on this board are the worst. They act like they are gatekeeping some hidden gem that can't be changed. So smug. It's just a show with mid looking Asians in spandex fighting monsters. There's nothing specifically Japanese about it.

>>23606868
Onitaijin is only cool combined, the individual robotaros are bricks, can’t do shit with them, Oni sister is a demon and has no club, Momo robotaro can barely stand. The bigger robo proves you can only add slippers and swap the arms can’t handle too much weight on it

>>23607230
>blah blah blah
>poor Toei
>blah blah blah
Toei are a bunch of greedy bastards who saw $$$ and took all the money they could get. Stop pretending.

>>23607230
>the money was good back then for only 1 year's footage to adapt.
Nibba. Lmao. Toei were paid 20% of the profits. Power Rangers earned 12 billion dollars in the 1990s in toy sales. Do the math.

>>23607233
And what does it say that the US adapts these shows from Japan? And nothing Japanese about it? What are you smoking?

>>23607240
They took the money because it WAS a good deal. And then Saban got uppity and pissed them off.

>>23607243
Yeah back then. It wasn't raking that kind of dough when Saban bought it back.

>>23607232
Well Saban's yesterday news. He worked in the 80s and 90s but Neo Saban was painful.

I will say this in defense of the 2017 movie. The fact that they DIDN'T get along at first and eventually bonded was good.

>>23607244
The concept of a team of good warriors fighting against evil monsters isn't new or exclusively Japanese. The Americans only used Sentai footage because the footage was ready made and cheap.

>>23607252
The roll calls and poses as well as attack phrases are all staples from Japanese kabuki theater. Something that Takayuki Suzuki had to explain to the MMPR staff. At least do some fucking research.

And now Hasbro needs to get off its ass and do some actually work since they no longer have access to the cheap footage.

I actually grew up with PR and then switched to sentai because I wasn't a little kid anymore and haven't looked back. I appreciate the campiness and feel of practical effects and costuming; something that modern US TV and film don't do as much anymore. Sentai isn't special because it's MUH NIPPON folded 1000 times. It's fun because they have an old school feel of Silver Age superheroes albeit through Japanese culture. Modern US capes are either grimdark antiheroes or snarky quippers to justify personality.

>>23607201
If you're talking about the bubble, they corpos did that to themselves, honestly. It was almost the exact thing as the American subprime mortgage crisis: they were lending to anyone and just printing money. The signs of a bubble were very clear and Japan just let people do it. Currently, they're intentionally devaluing their currency to encourage a tourist utopia and also encourage foreign investment at low prices. We'll see if it works. Also robots.

>>23607253
You are missing the entire argument. The anon claimed you cannot cut up Super Sentai scenes and seperate it from Japanese culture. But none of what you said is exclusively Japanese. Announcing your name and attacking the enemy happened in European culture as well.

>>23607256
We browbeated Japan in trade deals and did all sorts of Japan bashing.

A lot of Japan's economic woes are their fault like dumping all that money in the 90s on useless infrastructure and increasing their debt. But we played a role. And we still fuck them over.

>>23607257
>Announcing your name and attacking the enemy happened in European culture as well.
Which ones? Can you cite examples in their fiction?

>>23604782 (OP)
Lots of good replies in this thread. Personally I think that one thing Super Sentai/Power Rangers need is characters you'd wish you had in your life. A big part of the appeal of the original Rangers was that they were the friend group teens wish they were in, or kids wished they were approved by.

>>23607260
>"Foul knave! Prepare to taste steel!"

>>23607268
Eh, that’s kinda reaching. That's exposition in early modern theater and literature. Not quite like how Japanese modern fiction does special attacks and whatnot.

>>23607259
Not really. From the 1950s to 1980s, Japan took advantage of the fact that other World nations still thought Japan was still rebuilding after the devastation of World War 2 and getting nuked.

Japanese played the...

>"oh we're just a poor island nation and recovering after getting nuked twice and our cities bombed. Please don't look too closely at our financial system or our currency. Give us a break pls."

... card. This gained Japan so much sympathy from the world.

Because of that, other countries gave Japan a huge financial break on the world trading market. They allowed the Japanese Yen to be SUPER undervalued. The idea was to help Japan recover and rebuild. So much money flowed in Japan because of the cheap exchange rate. The Japanese government also blocked foreign governments from looking too deeply into the Japanese financial system.

This cheap exchange rate for the Yen was so cheap compared to the Dollar (and other European currencies) that it allowed Japan to sneakily flood world markets with Japanese products. Cheap Toyotas, Hondas, Nissans, etc...were everywhere. You could buy a Japanese car for less than HALF the cost of an American or European car.

Suddenly the world took notice of Japan. They realized that Japan wasn't some poor nation still trying to rebuild after World War 2. In just 30 years, they rebuilt themselves into an economic super power.

So World Nations created the Plaza Accord Treaty which basically was a treaty saying that they were taking off the "training wheels" from Japan and removing all the free bonuses they got as a recovering WW2 nation to help them rebuild. It declaered Japan was a modern nation, and that the Japanese Yen will be re-evaluated and traded fairly against other currencies.

Then Japan did something stupid. They took all their new wealth and recklessly invested it into real estate. For brief time they were rich. But then the real estate bubble popped. And Japan's economy crashed in the 90s.

>>23607273
Nah man, I was just joking. I'm not the anon you were speaking with. I think in western cultures the closest we have to announcing our attacks is when we scream as we attack someone. Btw speaking of japanes theater. Is there a name for this exclamation that goes "yo-hoooooo"?

>>23607260
>Which ones? Can you cite examples in their fiction?
The practice of announcing your name and attacking your enemy goes back thousands of years in Europe. It was common in ancient Greek and Roman culture and is well documented. But if insist on a literature example, it happens in Homer's the Iliad. The fictional characters of Achilles and Hector announce themselves in a roll call before fighting.

But it also happened in real life across Europe outside the Roman Empire top. Ancient Germanic and Celtic tribes would announce their names, their deeds, and share their accomplishments in front of their opponent. Both sides would do this. Then engage in a duel. It was both honor and spectacle.

Japan did not create the idea of a roll call for warriors. They do not have a monopoly on it.

>>23607277
>I think in western cultures the closest we have to announcing our attacks is when we scream as we attack someone.
Tell everyone you are uneducated and ignorant without telling directly everyone you are uneducated and ignorant.

>>23607283
You see I'm familiar with classical warfare and you are correct. You had 2 champions meet one another and challenge while extolling their lineage and feats of arms. The samurai did this too pre-Mongol invasions.

But the way sentai, anime and other staples of Japanese fiction isn't really found in modern literature, theater, etc. in Western countries. At least not to the extent of joining hands and weapons to create a barrage or cupping hands to launch a ki blast.

>>23607251
>Saban's yesterday news
yes, that tends to come up when discussing the history of things

>>23607293
>At least not to the extent of joining hands and weapons to create a barrage or cupping hands to launch a ki blast.
If you are going to go down this argument path, then you are going to get a lot of angry Chinese and Koreans who would disagree with you. Their fictional literature (both old and modern) has the same thing. The idea of Ki and energy is present in their cultures as well. Japan doesn't have a monopoly on those concepts.

>>23607298
I agree their literature in the old days used to have that stuff. Japan's toku and anime defined it to the way that Chinese and Koreans emulate their style. It's no surprise Chinese and Koreans have taken notes of what Japanese animation and video games have done for decades and now churning just as much.

>>23607218
>Comparing comic books to low-budget live-action TV is wrong.
I don't think so. At least not in this sense. I'm just pointing out that the team needs to feel more team like. It doesn't have to be a firey guy and a rocky guy just something that makes them feel more unique. A special set of knowledge. Use the vehicles more like Thunderbirds or something.

>You're also comparing very episodic TV shows to infamously serialized comic books. The whole point was to make every episode standalone so kids could always jump in and understand the general idea, the fact that comics didn't do it actually turned into a problem that they still can't resolve - people find it too daunting to get into.

I think you're overestimating how serialized comics were. Especially the further you go back. Comics had a hard rule for a time to be written specifically so that anyone picking up a new current issue could understand them going on.

>>23607183
Explain Mexico and LATAM then, before they went full commies.....

>>23607322
Those countries never went to brutal war in the Pacific against Japan.

>>23607183
Why would the US audience want to watch an entire team of Japanese and Asian people? The US is a diverse country. They will accept 1 or 2 Asian team members, but the US audiences wants variety. White, Black, Native America, etc need to be included as well. This is mandatory and non-negotiable.

>>23606550
American Zyuoh Shark would get it hard

>>23607253
Early MMPR original suit footage had the rangers act very awkward

>>23607276
Geezzus, i wonder, would there be another way to japan to recover their economy and not being fucked anymore? or was it a ''Once in a lifetime'' deal?

>>23606394
>Several of the seasons starting with Zenkaiger have been trying to get around the need for the Sentai members to have a unified look.
Technically Kyuranger started that, only for LuPat onwards to go back to the usual.

>>23607708
Kys

Perhaps kids today no longer see human conflict in simple good-vs-evil terms?
Or maybe it’s the adults who’ve decided children shouldn’t be misled by those who use words like “evil” for political or manipulative purposes?

>>23607725
Sentai has become boring, predictable, and too formulaic.

( Last unique Sentai show was probably Gokaiger 12 years ago.)

The shows rely too much kn gimmicks like giant transformation devices and special transformation dances. Bring back old school Sentai with family members tragically fighting each other and characters dying heroically.

Also the Sentai girls are no longer as hot as Kamen Rider girls. Sentai girls are mid.

>>23607725
>Maybe kids are joyless fucks who can't tell the difference between fiction and reality
yeah checks out. This generation is warped.

>>23607743
>Last unique Sentai show was probably Gokaiger 12 years ago.
Most shows in the current era are more unique than Gokaiger. Hell, the show that came right after Gokaiger is more unique than Gokaiger.

>>23607743
>The shows rely too much kn gimmicks like giant transformation devices and special transformation dances
Kyoryuger is the highest-selling show in the franchise (yes, it made more money than Gokaiger) and one of the most popular as well.
>Bring back old school Sentai with family members tragically fighting each other and characters dying heroically.
That's not old school Sentai and the only reason they killed off team members back then was because the actors literally left the shows so they were forced to take their characters out.

>>23607725
Or perhaps there's not many new kids because low fertility

>>23607725
Twitterbrained retard.

>>23607489
>Geezzus, i wonder, would there be another way to japan to recover their economy and not being fucked anymore?

It's possible. But Japan needs to stop having illusions of grandeur of being a super power. They should just focus on making Japan prosperous for their citizens without trickery. And stop challenging America or Europe or other Asian countries in direct economic battles.

Japan has always been incredibly good at hardware manufacturing. Especially precision manufacturing (Much better than China). Sony, Toshiba, Hitachi, Toyota, etc are great Japanese brands. Hardware manufacturing is something that can be taught and techniques passed down to future Japanese workers. They take pride in it.

Japan SUCKS at software development though. Software requires creativity, flexibility, and innovative ideas that go against the cultural norms. All things Japanese people suck at because of their conformist society. That's why Japan never made their own Google.

If Japan teams up with America and forms an economic alliance. I could see Japan making a comeback.

>or was it a ''Once in a lifetime'' deal?

Well... I doubt it will ever happen again. They were given 30 to 40 years of their economy on "super easy mode" because everyone felt sorry for them after WW2, and wanted to give them time to rebuild.

The Japan got a little too cocky in the 1980s and made their grifting a little too obvious by rapidly flooding the world markets with Japanese products. This signaled to the world that they were no longer just a "recovering nation". If the Japanese kept their greed in check and did it slowly, they might have kept the situation going for maybe another 5 to 10 years.

The biggest mistake is they openly challenged America economically. The Japanese tried to challenge the American car and electronics industry. America was having none of that. This was the main reason Japan lost their "easy mode" status.

Japan couldn't compete once easy mode was removed.

>>23605999
>Mighty Morphin Power Rangers knew how to do serialized storytelling. They connected all their shows together in one cinematic universe.

No more than Sentai did with the occasional cross over movie. Name dropping Morphin Grid every once in a while does not make a Cinematic universe.

>>23607161
>which came with VR Troopers, Beetleborgs, My Pet Monster, etc because let's face it Haim gave an all or nothing deal to inflate the price

Did he even still have those rights? When the VR Troopers recently returned in the PR comics their suits were somewhat altered in design suggesting they didn't have the rights for the Metal Heroes designs anymore

>>23607887
Oh come on anon. I know you love Sentai but you have to give Power Rangers the win here. Their seasons were way more interconnected than Sentai. MMPR S1 to S3, Zeo, Turbo, and In Space were linked.

>>23607757
Yeah the core 5 are always untouchable unless they needed an emergency actor replacement. It's just sixths that can potentially die but even then never till the end of the shows

>>23607892
That's not a cinematic universe that's just one long ass show where they kept changing the name. I sort of see what you are trying to get at but it's not really the same. A cinematic universe would be like 3 of those seasons running simultaneously with frequent crossovers like the NCIS shows used to be. Or just connect it with the other Saban shows running. They nearly did this with Masked Rider, even setting up his show in PR but Saban got cold feet at the last minute and since Masked Rider bombed he didn't want to try with Beetleborgs either.

>>23604782 (OP)
power rangers' shared universe got really shit after a few seasons

>>23607899
They had crossovers in the comics.

Extreme infantilization.
This has also hit Precure and Rider to lesser degrees. Sentai just takes the cake. They took all the wrong lessons from Kyoryuger.

>>23607899
Funnily enough, Hasbro can easily shove Power Rangers into their Transformers/G.I. Joe/M.A.S.K. shared universe.

>>23607867
But wasn't burgerland scared shitless of Japan taking over? That fear was everywhere during the eighties. How could they recover from being shook so quickly and then neuter them so quickly as well? If they could always pull that anyways then why be scared of Japandomination?

>>23607929
America wasn't scared. They were really annoyed. And It wasn't just America.

It was America, Canada, Australia, France, New Zealand, Belgium, the Netherlands, the United Kingdom, Italy, and Germany. Plus a few other Euro Countries.

Also a few other Asian countries complained about Japan too. They were Indonesia, Malaysia, Philippines, Republic of Korea, Taiwan, and Thailand.

To use an analogy, Japan was invited to have a seat at the table during a fun casual poker game. Then Japan acted in an "un-gentlemanly" aggressive way trying to win. Which forced the other players to enforce rules because Japan was being "that guy". You know that guy? It's the guy that ruins the fun for everyone. Every friend group has one. Japan was that guy during the 70s and 80s.

>How could they recover from being shook so quickly and then neuter them so quickly as well?

It wasn't hard. Japan annoyed most of the countries in the World Trade Organization. Including America. If Japan didn't agree, they risked being cut off from trade.

Japan wasn't being fair either. They were not some "innocent country" there was unfairly accused and had to be nerfed because they were just so awesome. Japan was playing dirty.

Japan imposed so many rules and restrictions on imports. They put heavy Tariffs on many imports and outright refused to accept goods from many countries. Japan also created so many trade barriers that it was nearly impossible for foreign companies to open a branch in Japan. The Japanese government was unfairly protecting their companies.

Meanwhile, Japan was allowed to freely access the markets of North America and Europe without any trade barriers. No Tariffs. No fees. Japan could enter freely and sell their products. Japan took full advantage of this and went overboard.

You can't "hyper restrict" your own markets, but still expect every other foreign country to be open, free, and accept your goods without complaint. That goes against the idea of Fair trade.

>>23607921
Rider is doing better than ever.

>>23607927
wow to fit in there without having shown up before? must be some sort of "secret squad"

>>23604782 (OP)
Super Sentai still has fan arts on Danbooru

>>23608027
Yeah, a himitsu sentai, if you will.

How come they haven't done another Time Ranger Sentai show?

>>23608079
they could go back in time to when it was popular

>>23607921
It hasn't hit Rider at all, I don't know what you mean by that.

Precure has its own issues, but in terms of tone, it's probably changed even less than Sentai. The only contention would be how fights are done but that doesn't really affect toy sales

>>23607200
>No foreign company likes their properties being made into chop-shop because Americans are racist retards.

I promise you the suits don't give a fuck beyond the monetary gain.

>>23608106
Yeah they do because they want to market sentai by itself. Glad Hollywood is destroying itself.

I kinda expected the sentai successor to just be the giant mecha battles, akin to ultraman.

>>23607892
Depends on what you mean by "give it the win" because if you think one season looks good but you have to watch 200 episodes just to get to it, is that winning over being able to jump around in what looks interesting?

>>23607921
It definitely didn't hit Rider. Rider's most comedic season was Fourze, and it predated Kyoryuger. Fourze was eventually followed by a season written by Urobutcher himself, and other serious drama seasons, like Build.
Precure always had a consistent tone. You look at classic seasons like Heartcatch or Smile, and they're exactly the same as the current seasons. Wonderful had notably less physical combat than others, but then we got Idol, which has all the punching and kicking you'd want.
Meanwhile, if you compare any post-Kyoryu Sentai to pre-Kyoryu (except maybe Go-Onger), the difference would be fucking blatant, and not in a good way. You can just compare the fucking openings to see how Sentai stopped being cool. After rewatching them one evening, I caught myself thinking that, while I would happily show an average kid older sentai (even some Showa ones), I really wouldn't show them post-Kyoryu ones because they'll think it looks gay as fuck (except maybe Lupat and KingOh), and wouldn't even be wrong.

>>23608382
Look at this closeted nigga deliberately ignoring Gokaiger's silly ending sequence, or all the fucking dance endings in 2000s Sentai.

>>23604782 (OP)
Because even though the main gimmick is team-based, the bad writing means the red ranger gets way more attention than everyone else and everyone else is window dressing, and the team has weak interaction with one another.
And I will admit these aren't new problems and even good sentai have had these issues.

>>23607921
Nigga Precure is like anime Barbie. It's supposed to have the same demographics as Dora and Bob the Builder.

>>23608397
Ending sequences are different from opening sequences.

>>23608467
Keep coping.

>>23608010
>America wasn't scared
lol ok

The real answer is that sentai toys are expensive and they're not fun to play with and they're not cool. For a similar price you can get way better toys.

>>23608016
By what metric? Like, from a sales perspective, Rider's been shitting in Sentai's mouth since W, but sales haven't beat Zi-O's peak, though Reiwa has consistently better performance that Heisei. I haven't seen enough of either to make any kind of storytelling call.

>>23608382
nta but I'd do feel there is a difference between Carranger/Abaranger/Go-Onger zaniness and post-Kyoryuger zaniness. The former is quintessentially Japanese, just look at that one episode of Dino Thunder. The latter, I can't help but pick up a westoid stink off it.

>>23608382
>You look at classic seasons like Heartcatch or Smile, and they're exactly the same as the current seasons.

I've only glanced at PreCure, but from what I get the earliest stuff their main "magic" power was punching and kicking (with magic).
then it became more of a Wedding Peach / Sailor Moon style "blast them from the other end of the room" stuff?

>>23607743
>Bring back old school Sentai with family members tragically fighting each other
This was always rare, it was never the standard.
>characters dying heroically
Prior to the early 90s Rangers would only die when their actors left the show and needed to be written off.
Your post implies you've only watched Zyuranger. You definitely haven't watched any season after Gokaiger given the literal next season was more unique.

>>23608515
The only difference between Smile and a modern season is that Smile has no plot.

>>23608499
Your brain is rotten.

>>23607891
They own the rights
The redesigns only happened because the Rangers themselves also got redesigned
It's supposed to be Power Rangers' equivalent of the Ultimate and Absolute universe and they recently reprinted one of the OG VR Trooper comics

>>23608397
>Gokaiger's silly ending sequence
The one where they sing about all the previous teams? What's silly about that?

>>23608515
I think they mean in terms of aesthetics and overall plot. Still gonna have cute girls fighting evil, still gonna purify the MOTW at the end of the day, the only big difference between seasons is how dedicated a season is to its overall plot but considering there are successful seasons that do both, it isn't that big a factor

The issues with Sentai are unique to Sentai. Trying to associate it with Rider or Precure is flawed.

>>23608397
Kyuranger has the best ending dance sequence.

>>23608542
Nice rebuttal, Kyoryumong.

>>23608498
Anon, Zi-O is a anniversary series and the last Heisei series. Bandai/Toei are well aware that show is an outlier

>>23608462
t. someone who's never watched any pre-HS cure.

>>23608592
Okay? That still doesn't answer my question about what metric that anon was using. I'm not asking a gotcha question, I want clarification on what parameters he's measuring to say Rider is "better than ever". What period of Rider up to now is being compared to all previous periods of Rider.

>>23608604
Anon you literally typed out "Reiwa has consistently better performance that Heisei" yourself

>>23607927
>>23608027
That's not how the Energon Universe works

>>23608623
Energon is Skybound stuff specifically, isn't it? I was talking in general. It could happen in IDW, it can happen if they'll decide to make a cinematic universe, etc.
I think that the guys who got Transformers comics now are probably among people that are still salty about MMPR outperforming what they view as better stuff at the time. It's easy to forget now but it used to have a stigma like that.

>>23608623
>That's not how the Energon Universe works
I have no clue about that, I just wanted to make the Gorenger joke

I wonder how much of Kyoryuger's success is due to Ryo Ryusei being the only guy to ever make the hotblooded red character work.

>>23608010
This is the same country that overreaches and FUCKS the costumer every time with their retarded anti preservation laws.

>Oh, people are pirating music and PC games!
>Let's make ALL PIRACY illegal and put people in jail with rapists and murderer!
>And also forbid video game rentals, PAY FULL PRICESU DE SU NE.

>>23608700
Japan is both advanced and backwards at the same time. They have some advanced hardware and cool machines everywhere. Feels futuristic.

But their work culture and laws are ancient. Workers must worship their bosses and stay loyal to a company for the rest of their life. Never disagree with your manager. Never go home unless the boss goes home first. Job changes are frowned upon. And the only way Japan changes their laws and culture is when the rest of the world drags them kicking and screaming.

>>23607227
Yeah because this attitude has worked so well for Doctor Who.
>BRITISHERS THIS SHOW WERENT MADE FOR YOU-ACK

>>23608590
There are no elaborate rebuttals against plain retardation like yours.

>>23608707
America is literally the same except they pretend their worthless votes will stop the grind when another nepotism baby decides he needs another yacht or wants to peel away some more regulations to make numbers go up.

>>23608560
but that sounds just as formulaic as Sentai
I think the only reason Precure is succeeding is because there's no other girl show seriously competing with it while Sentai constantly has Rider breathing down its neck

>>23608681
>Energon is Skybound stuff specifically, isn't it?
Yeah and Power Rangers is likely outside of Kirkman's generation/interest
He's already stated that the Energon Universe isn't gonna have too many titles all at once and shoe horning Power Rangers' mythos is just gonna throw the world building off-balance
Besides, the license is currently with Boom right now (though Prime is probably gonna end in a year or two at most)

>>23608687
They did a good job of casting the characters in Kiryuger, which paid off and the production also deliberately wrote and cast a lot of older actors (like Nossan and Utchy) and not just young faces. Shows like Gotchard and Ninninger fumbled the casting part. So I think the good productions with strong producers have an eye for good talent not just with actors, but also writers and directors.

>>23608681
I mean it sort of already happened with Renegade but that was when Hasbro didn't totally lose interest in Power Rangers

>>23608687
As crap as Kyuranger often was, Lucky's actor was good for the role.

>>23608794
Nininger's problem is Takaharu's agency insisted he be Red despite him not really be capable of what the role required because Red is the lead and the ones who usually get famous if they do. Gotchard meanwhile focused on casting actual age appropriate actors for the school stuff except realized too late that meant they wouldn't have the acting chops needed. Well Gotchard had plenty of other problems too.

>>23608010
>You can't "hyper restrict" your own markets, but still expect every other foreign country to be open, free, and accept your goods without complaint. That goes against the idea of Fair trade.

That's kind of Japan in a nutshell thinking about. Even with tourism and immigration it's "Japan for the Japanese, block as many Gaijin as possible. Oh but we can go to whatever country we want with no restrictions."

>>23608768
Not saying one system is better than the other. But America's system allows for faster technology advance. This has gained them leverage. Whether better technology is advancement is better is questionable though. I've quit social media and other things.

>>23608862
The problem with Gotchard too is that they absolutely refused to adapt the characters to their actors. Even Ninninger changed Takaharu from hotblooded hardworking leader to strong funny idiot when they realized his actor couldn't really pull off the image they wanted in the first quarter. Gotchard on the other hand seemed to insist on never budging on the characterization of the two main Riders in spite of their actors clearly having trouble with them.

>>23608735
I'm not sure if the last two seasons of Doctor Who were made for anyone at all. Just about nobody was satisfied with them.

>>23608866
Ah, yes, the infamous scourge of Japanese immigrants. Coming over to the West in the millions, molesting women, defecating on the streets and running people down with their HEIWA NO TORAKKU.

>>23608569
The best dancing from sentai is from the Maskman movie

>>23608886
That's funny because 19th century eugenists believed Asia was going to take over the world by miscegenation so they restricted migration from Asian countries and even sterilized Asian migrans without their consent until the 70s

>>23604782 (OP)
sentai is getting rebranded? to what?

>>23608862
>except realized too late that meant they wouldn't have the acting chops needed
No, the producer knew the lead was lacking, but still got him hired because he liked his attitude and diligence and had the hopes he would improve his acting skills throughout the show like many other newbies before him.

>>23608700
>>23608707
>>23608866
You forgot your "um, they still use faxes! and they have female-only trains from how many molesters there are!" redditor parroted talking points about how japan le bad.

>>23608924
That's none of my concern. Train pervs can do what they want.

>When a fact or decision makes you sad, it means that choice was based on the premise that it might be the most perfect future outcome.

>UNIVERSE HEROES is an international project with a grander vision than you or I imagine.

>At the Kamen Rider new product launch in August, Bandai's overseas business PPT stated:

>GAVV's revenue is not ideal, losing many adult customers.

>ZEZTZ's theme concept, The Fashion Revolution Of Belts, has a general direction of Kamen Rider Unlike Past Kamen Riders.

>In the past three years, Super Sentai's alternate-color works, Zenkai, Donbrothers, and King-Ohger, all had their own guinea pig missions of challenge and innovation XD

>GAVV / First, also started filming two months ahead of schedule due to China's censorship mechanism.

>The establishment of Toei's Character Strategy Department aims to integrate and promote Toei's tokusatsu heroes worldwide.

>The first shot was fired in the Super Sentai series, as always, Brave in. White Mouse Pioneer

>The simultaneous global broadcast of the work, the censorship mechanisms of various countries, the advantages of streaming platforms, the outdated profit structure of television stations... and so on, present many challenges.

>The production cost of one episode of a Reiwa tokusatsu series is already close to the budget of two episodes during the Heisei era.

>Next year marks the 55th anniversary of Kamen Rider; whether there will be any truly groundbreaking events remains to be seen.

>How Toei will handle next year's UNIVERSE HEROES—let's just hope they don't ruin their signature shows.

>>23608794
Omori was on average easily the best producer in terms of casting.

>>23608498
It's not surprising that Timeranger did poorly, their weapons looked like generic sci-fi dollar store stuff.

>>23609101
>UNIVERSE HEROES is an international project with a grander vision than you or I imagine.

>The establishment of Toei's Character Strategy Department aims to integrate and promote Toei's tokusatsu heroes worldwide.

LOL. Toei Executives just can't let this go can they? They really won't accept it. They are mad that Super Sentai isn't popular outside of Japan, and that Power Rangers was far more popular. Toei was constantly complaining since the 1990s. Toei needs to let this go. It's not gonna happen.

>The production cost of one episode of a Reiwa tokusatsu series is already close to the budget of two episodes during the Heisei era.

They use too much CGI.

1. CGI was supposed to make things cheaper.

2. Toei decides to use CGI.

3. CGI lowers costs and allows for more complex shots.

4. Creators decide to use even MORE CGI to do more crazy stuff.

5. Any cost savings of CGI is negated because they've doubled the amount of CGI scenes per episode.

6. Oh no. Why is the show so expensive to make???

Hasn't been following the leaks.
Will the Sentai replacement still have mechas?

>>23604782 (OP)
Sentai: same safe shit, shit overpriced toys
PR:cheap budget slop

>>23609146
No one knows the truth. We don't even know if there actually is a Sentai replacement. It's just wishful thinking from Sentai fans. Nothing is confirmed.

>>23609146
Toy leaks indicate that, yes, still will have robots. Although apparently at least initially they will be animal shaped?

>>23609131
It's not like Power Rangers is doing anything in the west anyway
Might as well strike when there's a vacuum

>>23609241
The only way Super Sentai can become popular is if Toei can custom create Super Sentai shows for each country and their specific culture. Similar to how Bandai made custom anime for the USA back in the 2000s. Such as Big O and Afro Samurai.

But Toei are cheap and greedy. Im 99% sure they will just make a new Sentai franchise just with a new name (like Hyper Sentai), but cast 5 Japanese teens again. And tell the same exact stories using the same formula. But it won't succeed and Toei Executives will quietly rage and get upset that gaijin won't accept their new Sentai.

Toei is better off renting out Sentai to American studio. Like how Godzilla and King Kong are doing Hollywood movies now.

>>23609256
>can become popular
it's also important to figure out what you're calling "popular"
the media landscape is drastically different from the 90s, this comes up in wrassle circles a lot discussing the idea of another Monday Night Wars style competition between companies
the shift from 99 channels to 999 to 9999 to infinity means nothing will be THE BIG THING like that, but it also means tons of stuff can find an audience to be a thing
like it's not just me being old when streamguy has three million viewers and ten million bots and I've never heard of him, it's like a twist on the fifteen minute of fame, everybody's famous but you've never heard of them

>>23609272
True. But keep in mind that the people who run Toei are old school. They value TV ratings, toy sales, and raw popularity above all else. They don't care that much about secondary popularity on streaming platforms.

>>23609284
>Toei
>Toy sales
You're mistaking Toei with Bandai

>>23609312
Super Sentai is hyper reliant on Toy sales to justify keeping the TV show going.

>>23608556
nta but it is pretty zany. You've got stuff like Joe being kissed by a cartoon dolphin and Don being set on fire by the Gingaman like Wile E. Coyote.

>>23609312
Toei sales and other related merch is the only thing keeping SHT on the air. It's certainly not ratings, which fell off the cliff by the time of the final quarter of Heisei Rider. It's also why Ninninger is considered a failure despite iirc having a tiny bump in the ratings, but a major dip in the toy numbers from Bandai.

>>23609312
Toy sales and other related merch is the only thing keeping SHT on the air. It's certainly not ratings, which fell off the cliff by the time of the final quarter of Heisei Rider. It's also why Ninninger is considered a failure despite iirc having a tiny bump in the ratings, but a major dip in the toy numbers from Bandai.

I can only speak personally but I can agree too often it felt too childish.

I'm not asking for grimderp but something about Sentai lately has felt "this is for 6 year olds" but I don't get that feeling from KR.

>>23609256
Except nowadays Japanese culture is more popular around the world than American culture.
If anyone knows what is baseball now, it's from anime.

>>23609415
Anime is popular.

Super Sentai is not.

>>23609839
>Anime is popular.
>Tokusatsu is not
ftfy
It's 21st century, no one cares about the likes of Power Rangers, Star Trek and Doctor Who anymore.

>>23604782 (OP)
>Immediately being presented with 5+ characters and robots
>Products either come out all at once or take so long by the time they're out the show is already over and the next one began
>The helmet designs have gotten worse >>23608498
Not really surprising it's having problems
If you don't go all in you're likely not getting that much

>>23609256
>Toei is better off renting out Sentai to American studio
You say that but western action shows haven't been popular with children for around two decades now. Anime is big but that's mainly with an older target demo than Sentai aims for. If you mean movies then they tried a PR movie back when capeshit was at its most popular and it failed.

>>23609910
> If you mean movies then they tried a PR movie back when capeshit was at its most popular and it failed.
The 2017 PR movie failed because it was a shitty teen movie with 90% drama and almost no action. Not because it was a Toku movie.

The only reason it made ANY money was because of the Toku and Ranger action scenes.

>>23609910
It's not that children's action shows aren't still popular. It's that the 1990s Power Ranger shows were so crazy popular that it broke all records. No other action show has matched the peak of power ranger popularity from the 90s.

>>23609407
but KR is coming off of its 2 most childish seasons in years that alienated adults

>>23609910
action shows haven't been targeting kids at all since the peak of popularity of ben 10. somewhere in the 2010s there was this massive shift in the mindssets of kids network executives that action is not a suitable genre for kids and kids shows must exclusively target children and only children. and no demographic overlap either. if it seems like a girls show then it must be a girls show so the PPG reboot was a shitty girly comedy when the original was unambiguously an action show.

So the whole thing about doing weird reshoots instead just dubbing the show or producing an actual new show based on the same concept, maybe it started out as a way of making the thing more marketable... But it went on for 30 years and bizarrely enough other studios did the same basic thing with other Toku shows, long after nobody should think it matters that the characters clearly aren't Americans and long after Power Rangers had supposedly proven the concept of a Toku show had value on American TV...

... I have to ask... Is it a tax loophole or something? Like, did some accountant look into tax laws and funding alternatives, then ended up making the conclusion that it was somehow cheaper to do the reshoots thing instead of just dubbing if they pulled the right strings? I can't really imagine why else this nonsense approach would refuse to die, from my point of view it seems like most studios would eventually declare that shit futile if there was no direct monetary benefit from doing it like that.

>>23610176
You need to do some reshoots because you can't have random Japanese signs and cities in the background of your show set in an American town. It's fine if the background looks generic though.

>>23610017
Gavv isn't childish for Rider standards.

>>23610008
>It's not that children's action shows aren't still popular.
Which children's action shows are?

>>23610209
What children's action shows still exist? Teen Titans Go was the death knell for the whole concept.

>>23609856
>no one cares about the likes of Power Rangers, Star Trek and Doctor Who anymore.
To be fair, most hack writers and executive killed those franchise. Same with Star Wars.

>>23610176
Hell, if they REALLY wanted to preserve the Power Rangers moniker, just kept it for the sentai dubs, thats what Korea did, they just dubbed the Sentai seasons while calling it Power Rangers.

>>23610219
Yeah that's what I've been saying, it's >>23610008 who claimed otherwise.

>>23610219
You haven't watched children's shows in a long time anon. Why even pretend like tiy know anything about the modern era?

>>23610209
Miraculous Ladybug is but that's not really an action show

>super sentai is ending and now the current female sentai is left the show after being hit with affair/underage drinking scandal
Is Sentai cursed now? What the fuck is going on!?

>>23610328
That could work if they used dropped the Something Force nonsense and used the Sentai name. It's funny that Korea went from doing "Power Rangers Zenkaiger" and "Power Rangers Donbrothers" only to go back to shit like Kingdom Force and Boonboom Force.

>>23610739
It's been cursed for a while. This scandal is barely the tip of the iceberg.

Sentai has a couple of issues
Despite being a team show, the red is so much more important than the rest of the team that you could rebrand as Red and it wouldn't really matter
The suits have been looking kinda cheap for a while
The toys are underwhelming, the changers have been a mess due to being fused with the other toys; the collectibles aren't creative or fun; the robot toys are lame, barebones engineering, with lacking posability and with poor proportions.
Meanwhile Power Rangers is stuck with wanking Mighty Morphin because nobody gives a flying shit about the comics or whatever came after Samurai because the shows were shit and the toys worse

>>23610202
Gavv is 200% childish. You can't tell a serious story with candy as the theming.

>>23611349
would you call gaim childish too

>>23610514
there's good shows out there it's just that anything remotely marketed to kids is now gag shows with chibi proportions. Even DC cartoons that aren't that are now meant for adults like harley quinn and creature commandos. if they tried to make batman beyond now it would 100% get pushed into being an adult show.

>>23611369
He's the resident /krg/ shitpost spammer

>>23607198
Power Rangers just needs someone at the helm who gives a damn about it. Very, very few legacy franchises have that though...

>>23611333
trips of truth

>>23611333
Hey, Toei, you wanna actually show some balls and do something different, do a magical girl show but with BALLS, not that awful ballet-fu and even more awful CGI with head composition you did with that horrendous Sailor Moon live action, i mean, do a masked heroine, (not just female lead, ACTUAL, heroic girl, as in, a girl who saves the day) and dont pander to girls and DONT make it precure shit, make it more like something in between Card Captor Sakura and Cutie Honey and Sailormoon, but with a bit more bit and camp, also less CGI digital manipulation and more stunts.

But you are not gonna do it.

How bad would it be if they genuienly made, for real this time, A FEMALE RED RANGER, that is actually the focus, the 2 times Toei tried they chickened out and make her a sidekick and always had the male being the red ranger and get all the focus and billing, and the 2nd time she became relegated as the 7th ranger who then pissed off.

>>23611333
My main issue is that all the monsters now just look like walking armored plastic toys, not liek creatures that while cartoonish, still looked organic, like they are not supposed to be, moving armors or moving plastic action figures.

>>23611905
Nah. Only male reds is fine. This is a boys franchise.

>>23611910
Monsters don't even matter 98 percent of the time now. Out of four generals in Gozyuger, the only monster is comic relief. In most episodes, the monsters are a distraction or a vehicle to develop the drama between other characters, almost never the main threat.
Which was the last No-One that was an actual threat? The one from the cowboy two parter?

>>23611905
I mean, they already have Pretty Cure. Why would they compete with themselves?

The Sailor moon live action came out before Pretty Cure. They have no reason to do another show like that now that they have an original series constantly getting new versions every year.

>>23611937
To be fair they had Sentai for young boys and Rider for slightly older boys, so long as it isn't exactly the same age bracket as Precure it could make money. Boys are generally more profitable though.

>>23604782 (OP)
>Super Sentai
The kodomo mecha toys are extremely bad compared to their Takara Tomy competition, their roleplay toys are bad compared to Kamen Rider and Ultraman, they can't make manga/anime/game spin-offs as a secondary means of gain due to Power Rangers and Ninninger to Ryusoulger was such a dire period that it decreased the good faith the franchise had built drastically.
Ninninger failed both in toy design and critically at the worst possible time, at the peak of Yokai Watch's popularity and just before the anniversary season upping up expectations for Zyuohger. Even though every show since Kiramager including three ongoing Gozyuger (although I wonder if it will drop hard now that GozyuBlack was fired), the toys just never stopped being shit aside from Donbrothers, even though digital viewership and ratings are important, the main purpose of these shows is to sell toys and Sentai has been failing at this non-stop since 2015.

>Power Rangers
The Disney era was the only period where the staff really cared about what they were making from a creative standpoint, the hiatus and the nickelodeon era just destroyed the image this franchise had and Sakamoto returned to Japan which definitely didn't help. It could have still maybe saved itself because these shows still had the help from PLEX and it could have gotten people passionate about this franchise besides old actors, but Saban's jewnims and him betraying Saban for Hasbro just killed it harder.
Other things that don't help which imo are the main reasons are how western entertainment as whole has been declining this past decade or so and the west not really supporting the strategy that most Japanese entertainment franchises endorse where the status quo is completely reset each season to make them standalone.

>>23611992
And I feel like Hasbro failed when JDF contacted them after the sale to politely introduce himself, say he hoped to work with them and that he had ideas they could do with the franchise he'd like to discuss with them and their response was "Piss off actor. This is our IP not yours. We'll call if you if we want you but don't count on it" and JDF's response was to distance himself from the franchise and then kill himself (I maintain that if he had future PR productions in the pipeline he'd have held off at least for a while because he'd have stuff to live for) They had the most popular character and face of the franchise basically throwing himself at them and they told him to fuck off only to then be desperate to milk adult fanboys after realizing it wasn't clicking with kids anymore

>>23607198
>Then Saban made the 2017 Power Ranger movie. Except the movie wasn't connected to the TV show at all! Another mistake. It was a brand new cast! So the remaining fans the TV show had were disappointed. The old 90s PR movie worked because it was connected to the same TV show show. It was a celebration of 90s power rangers cast. But the 2017 movie had to waste precious time with backstory and reintroducing characters.
The fact that the 2017 movie was a reboot of MMPR wasn't a problem. Honestly, expecting anything else is silly. At a time where we had the MCU, the DCEU, and other stuff like the Transformers series all going strong, of course a big budget PR movie was going to start from the very beginning. The problem with the 2017 movie was that it was a bleak, depressing, boring mess that was very clearly embarrassed of its source material.

>>23611992
Outside of comedies and soap operas western TV has also shifted to shorter seasons released further apart, which is really really bad for a MotW franchise.

>>23612209
>Piss off actor. This is our IP not yours. We'll call if you if we want you but don't count on it
Source? This is the first time I'm hearing any explanation about his suicide aside from depression, if true I hate Hasbro even more now

>>23611992
What went wrong with Kingohger's toys? I thought the mecha had articulation like Don Onitaijin too.

>>23611905
>do a masked heroine, (not just female lead, ACTUAL, heroic girl, as in, a girl who saves the day) and dont pander to girls and DONT make it precure shit, make it more like something in between Card Captor Sakura and Cutie Honey and Sailormoon, but with a bit more bit and camp, also less CGI digital manipulation and more stunts.
So Poitrine?

>>23612551
The mecha had stability issues from the get-go, the SH Figuarts came out faulty and the transmission sword wasn't popular
Also while the show was a critical success and brought over adult fans that weren't into toku resulting in the show getting nominated for awards and getting a concert, the show wasn't very popular with kids because they talked too much in the show and didn't feature the mecha enough in the second half, further decreasing sales

>>23612209
Hasbro was carried by MTG, Transformers, and having John Warden in the Transformers design team, so naturally they sent him to GI Joe, and then to Power Rangers, and then I believe he's back at Transformers, but you get my point.
Hasbro is such a retarded company that they haven't figured out shipping or quality control in nearly 20 years of trying and gave Lightning Collection to an instagram-addicted roastie that could never get the face sculpts right.
Ever since Goldner died, not that he was great, Hasbro only got worse so of course they would snub the guy whose life is Power Rangers right when the brand needs someone that can market the brand to the publics.

>>23612602
I did think the Kuwagata Ohger SHF looked weird in the promo pictures

>>23612614
Hasbro is such a uniquely frustrating company because they do literally everything wrong, both morally and financially, yet they're somehow still in business. They can't even be moneygrubbing businessman right.

>>23604782 (OP)
>Power Rangers is irrelevant and needed to rely on nostalgiashit
the issue is not power rangers, well at least not entirely, the issue is that action in western shows has always been underappreciated by the wigs and by the kids

>>23606390
kingohger already exists

>>23606533
is this AI?

>>23611950
They already have a seperate product line in Precure for slightly older girls, they have no reason to make a competing show

>>23612933
Sentai and Rider are also competing shows, in fact that's the entire reason why Rider moved its timeslot.

>>23612528
nta, but that's why Tommy was always morphed in Once & Always, even though JDF was alive when they filmed it.

>>23612872
King-Ohger was garbage.

>>23612209
>>23612528
>>23612963
To be honest, JDF had it super easy. He was hand picked by Saban to be his golden boy. JDF was given the task to break up the power ranger actors and cause disunity among the group to prevent the entire cast from walking out. He did this very well. David Yost (Billy) and Amy Jo Johnson (Kimberly) suddenly aided with JDF during negotiations.

JDF had a direct connection to Saban and the producers for years. JDF talked about how Saban constantly had JDF over for dinner at his mansion and how Saban would say JDF would be the future of power rangers. This level of access wasn't normal for any actor to have. Other rnaget actors during Zeo mentioned that JDF was a given a special contract (hint: paid more and received more benefits) that was different from the other ranger actors.

Even during the Disney era, JDF still had connections to the producers and staff members that were carried over from Saban's productions. JDF could pick up a phone and directly call the producers and have a discussion with them, have lunch, about talk about making another appearance as Tommy.

Once Hasbro bought power rangers and the old staff members were let go (or retired), JDF lost all his previous access and privelege. He became just a "normal actor" in the eyes ot Hasbro . JDF never experienced this before. He experienced the same "normal" level of access that other ranger actors had. He was pushed out of the inner circle. I like JDF and I'm to trying to speak ill of him. But I suspect JDF couldn't accept that he wasn't considered special anymore. He spent 25 years being Tommy and being special. Hasbro was NOT Saban. They didn't give JDF any special treatment over any other ranger actors. JDF was treated just like any other actor. And when Hasbro hired Austin St. John to return as Jason, JDF got pissed and refused to work with Hasbro. It's a really sad way to end his career. I think JDF should have just worked with Hasbro and set aside pride.

>>23613080
I mean Austin was picked over JDF to come back for Beast Morphers because they were using footage from Gobusters vs Kyoryuger which featured Tyrannoranger and didn't have Dragonranger in it because he died in the series.

>>23607182
If PR ever gets a new season, they should adapt Kiramager.

I feel like some of the more recent series have gotten a bit too experimental with mixed results.

>>23613308
And JDF still got upset over it. I understand JDF is very macho and doesn't like sharing the leader position, but his rivalry was 25 years old. No disrespect to him, but JDF should have let it go. We probably could have had multiple MMPR reunions by now if JDF didn't cause drama between MMPR actors.

>>23610739
what cursed them was her not being pink despite it being an anniversary season

>>23609101
>>GAVV's revenue is not ideal, losing many adult customers
should have put sachika in a bikini

>>23612551
The design itself didn't lend itself well for its articulation which causes it to fall over. Not to mention Bandai's M.O with Sentai mechs is to make them become a clusterfuck of a combination by the end which King-Ohger got and that combination was working against the articulated joints since the latter wasn't strong enough to hold up the weight and kids complained about the latter apparently. Which is why in BoonBoomger Bandai went back to making brick Robos that can stand on its own since it has little to no joints and definitely stay standing once the combination gets a bit much, ironic as Boonboomger Robo didn't get a clusterfuck ultimate form like King-Ohger did. Bandai should've just dialed back down on the combinations and make them as conservative as early Heisei Robos and retain the articulation that Dom Onitaijin and King-Ohger had but I guess that was not in the cards for them for whatever reason.

>>23613374
>>23613080
Seems to me JDF had larger mental issues if he could not handle this.
Other actors were able to move on beyond just being PR guys.

>>23610074
Its crazy to think how well MLP:FiM did well beyond its target demographic despite its marketing & focus. Something that was reflected in the writing of later seasons, when it accepted that it had more than one market.
Problem was, whatever magic they had for early MLP:FiM was lost completely for their G5 shows.

>no demographic overlap
Its a larger problem with animation in the US, something that /co/ does talk about.

>>23610243
>>23609856
>>23609839
>>23609415
>>23609256
I'm finding aspect of this conversation dumb because while anime has been rising in popularity for much of the past decade (and so), there was also something else that had gained traction throughout the 2010s. After all, what was the biggest movie genre globally during the 2012s? No, it wasn't anime. It was MARVEL. The MCU. SUPERHEROES.
Its why I mentioned Battle Fever J earlier in this thread. Super Sentai and Power Rangers BOTH had a tie to Marvel and could have cashed it on the MCU's rise during the 2010s. Hell, Disney bought power rangers, and their adaptations of Sentai from Wildforce to Jungle Fury were mostly adaptations of the sentais. In addition, the fact they were owned by Disney meant that, had they remainwd under Disney, they COULD have bled into Marvel, the way some Disney properties have appeared in Marvel and vice versa. All you need to is establish the link to Battle Fever J and voila - power rangers (and super sentai) would have had even more relevance as a legacy series within Marvel canon (and multiverse)
But that didn't happen. Disney sold it off because they weren't doing anything with it, and as one guy points out, Saban didn't really get with the times. And its frustrating because we could have mainstream Sentai recognition in the West and beyond by identifying the Marvel roots in Sentai.

>>23613673
People speculated part of the reason he had a breakdown and an hero himsepf is because he couldn't deal with Tommy's spotlight is over.

>>23612602
>SH Figuarts came out faulty
QRD?

>>23613640
>Bandai should've just dialed back down on the combinations
Fucking why? Timeranger, Kiramager and Zenkaiger all had terrible sales

>>23613707
Disney handled everything poorly outside of the Marvel movies. It was actually very bad during the 2010s.

The Marvel comics didn't even match what was happening in the movies. You would an amazing Iron Man, Thor, and Captain America movie. The kids would get hyped and run to the comicbook store to read more about their marvel heroes.

What did they find? A female gender bender Thor (original Thor was unworthy of his hammer and had been replaced by a strong independent woman), a Black teenager girl had taken over Iron Man's comicbook, and a Nazi Captain America that had turned evil. Every kid were confused and left disappointed. These were the comicbooks that were released during the peak of the Marvel movies I the 2010s.

Disney had a once in a LIFETIME opportunity to push their comicbooks to the next level and make the popular again with children across the world. They failed miserably.

>>23604782 (OP)
Sentai toys were split between the transformation device and the actual mecha for so long, many of them were shit, vs Kamen Rider were all the toys center around the belt, all the collectibles connect to the belt and its easy for parents to buy the kid a belt and then the kid can get more stuff via gachapons or upgrades at christmas.

PR is in the dumps because no one has actually wanted to do anything with it for damn near 2 decades only coasting on being cheap to make, then it fell into Hasbros lap, the CEO that actually wanted it died, and Hasbro only focused on MMPR because PR is such a badly managed brand only MMPR has any actual sales potential, and they're still failing at it, only remotely succesful part of the franchise are shitty comics.

>>23613713
Most copies had loose joints.

>>23613715
Now imagine if those Robos had proper articulation. It would do at least better.

>>23613713
iirc one of the arms would come off extremely easy, same month 555 20th anniversary belt came out with the slot reversed, it seemed like there were problems at bandai's factory at the time

>>23613727
They would do worse than Onitaijin and King-Ohger, and for good reason, they'd have less play value.

>>23613731
nta but what do you mean? how does more articulation equate less play value when it means your toy can do more poses?
Kiramager and Zenkaiger mecha sold less die to less playability and smaller size, while Timeranger sold poorly because the mecha were obscenely expensive

>>23613734
NTA but the target audience for Sentai are kids age 5-10, articulation can just get in the way for them on big figures like that, they just want to grab the mecha and combine them and woosh them around

>>23613738
>t. PLEX designer

>>23613717
I don't disagree with you. If anything, it really speaks of how they mishandled Power Rangers before Marvel. Sure, some of the best PR series were Disney-era. But then we also have all the complaints of "too many explosions". And until neo-Saban and Hasbro happened, Operation Overdrive was still a terrible series. Disney mishandled Power Rangers the same way they mishandled the Marvel comics, a reason Saban rebought the franchise in the first place.

>>23613758
OO is still terrible.

>>23613764
I'm not sisputing, I'm just saying Samurai, Megaforce, Ninja Steel and Cosmic Fury were arguably worse

I just hope the new show is dynamically different with better mecha toys. Because this formula isn't working anymore.

>>23613734
>how does more articulation equate less play value when it means your toy can do more poses?
No, you retard, what makes for less play value is the lack of combinations. Bandai already learned that doing standalone robos is a terrible idea with Kiramager, making each robo standalone so kids could just pick the one they liked most was Toei's genius idea to increase sales after Ryusoulger and look at how well that turned out. Just take a look at the sales of Gaoranger compared to Timeranger to see how much the amount of combinations matters.
>while Timeranger sold poorly because the mecha were obscenely expensive
The only one that was overly expensive was V-Rex due to its RC gimmicks.

>>23613758
>But then we also have all the complaints of "too many explosions".

Since we're on the subject, can you tell me why they changed the combat so much during Disney?

I watch the Saban shows and the martial arts combat would have alot of sound effects. Like when the rangers swing their arms there's a "swoosh" noise. When they hit the putties, there's a "dull thud" noise like hitting concrete with a hammer.
But Disney ditched all that. The sound effects under Disney were much less and we're of lower quality.


I noticed with SPD had less hand to hand martial arts combat, and more reliance on guns and CGI explosions. And often they don't even make contact with the guns.. The blast will hit the floor and the background will explode. It looks weird.

Did any of the staff members ever talk about this?

>>23613844
Yeah, Disney wanted to tone down the feeling of direct violence, thus the changed sound effects and more focus on slow motion, beams and explosions for the American footage.

Also, even though explosions were fine, the explosion can't cover the Rangers for some reason, so they always happened in the background, behind them, or on their sides.

>>23613080
Is this true? If so it's kinda pathetic