If Fluttershy could heal Discord through the Element of Kindness, why couldn't Rarity heal this sucker through generosity?

because discord is a fucking lord of chaos and this is a literal who

>>42246528 (OP)
what makes rarity any different to any other gold digger mare that only has interest in Blueblood because he's a prince and therefore is a stepping point in royalty? For Prince Blueblood he just sees Rarity as another of one of those mares who is just trying to use him for his titles since I doubt that Princess Celestia is keeping him up to date with all the latest news even if he is her nephew and biologically related.
>>42246544
Said "Literal Who" was Rarity's obsession up to the Gala.

>>42246552
so was this guy

>>42246560
>comparing a character made during s1-s2 aka the peak then the nuseasons made by a different writer who knew jackshit
It can be argued that Rarity simply found another stallion to obsess over since her dream of being a Princess is broken as Prince Blueblood goes back to his princely duties of diplomacy and the sorts that the show wouldn't bother to show to kids.

>>42246528 (OP)
I feel you'd enjoy this fic:
https://www.fimfiction.net/story/18087/the-best-night-ever

>>42246552
>what makes rarity any different
To his eyes, nothing I guess. But that's where the Element of Generosity comes up. It would've been interesting to see a little arc of that. Rarity becoming a princess through unconventional methods compared to Twilight.

>>42246577
Thanks, I've found a Blueblood apology fic years ago but it wasn't as old or extensive as this one

>>42246528 (OP)
he's gay

>>42246601
>muh if you reject mare you're a faggot
kill yourself

>>42246528 (OP)
She was too pushy

>>42246608
he acted like a faggot for the whole fucking episode
DYEWTS?

>>42246577
Did that weird ass sequel ever get finished?

>>42246528 (OP)
Talking about Prince Blueblood, the fimfic "Blueblood: Hero of Equestria" is pretty god damn good MLP:FIM fanfic.

>>42246528 (OP)
What can you give someone who has had a literal silver spoon up his butt since he was a colt?

>>42246675
Frienship

>>42246675
>blueblood is a ftm tranny who had a childhood pregnancy
>silver spoon is his son and the father is in prison for foalfiddling
deepest lore

>>42246695
>the reason silver spoon's parents are never shown are because of this
>blueblood transitioned because of her sexual trauma, as do most ftms

>>42246695
>>42246698
kill yourself trannies

>>42246710
if talking about loony troons makes you a tranny then you yourself would be one

>>42246711
>projecting this hard
dilate, troon.

>>42246716
Imagine saying this in a community in which transgenders are overrepresented compared to daily life.

You're more of an exception here than anything else.

>>42246735
They're still in the minority
Worst case scenario they make up 20% of the board
The reality is probably something like 10%

>>42246740
i think they take like 41%

>>42246582
Those unconventional means could be her doing a heroic sacrifice in the place of someone else who was wholly willing to do one themselves. What's more generous than giving your life to spare a hero's? And as a reward for fully embodying her element, Rarity wakes up in the princess realm and gets her wings (not pretty magic ones that'll melt if she flies too high, real ones this time) from Celestia.

>>42246646
yeah pretty much. the dude wasn't a prick but he clearly didnt give a fuck. i do like the fan theory that he does that to weed out mares who want him for status or whatever but him beeing a preening oblivious fag is probable too.

>>42246771
A better way to weed out gold-diggers is not to act like a spoiled rich brat. He should disguise himself as a simple farmcolt or a beggar, but be his genuine self (assuming his genuine self is actually a good pony, unlike what we see in that episode). Then the only mares who'd be interested are the ones worthy of a prince: mares who'll love you for who you are inside, not for what you have.

>>42246528 (OP)
Because Faust is a hack.

>>42246528 (OP)
Discord was healed with sex

>>42246528 (OP)
because the episode where fluttershy made discord not a evil twat is post faust and the gala was during faust. Post faust lazy writers only watched these episodes and not the last s1 episode so there is lots of wasted potential because writers during McCarthy and H*ber couldn't be assed to watch the fucking show they are writing for.

>>42246796
So what's the problem? She's the rundown town bike.

>>42246764
Kinda dramatic but it fits Rarity so I like it.

>>42246796
I guess. Should have been me though.

>>42246802
I get your point but, desu A Canterlot Wedding feels written by someone who haven't watched the show at that point too.

>>42246819
A Canterlot Wedding is when faust left and McCarthy left. So obviously it feels very disconnected because Faust stopped overseering the production early on and it went onto McCarthy.

>>42246824
and McCarthy era started*
I should really read over what I write before I submit

>>42246528 (OP)
Well, he was only meant to be a pretty face, which is a shame we don't see him after the S1 finale. Maybe in the background, but that's that.
At least he has a comic with Shining Armor where he was the hero, so there's something.

>>42246827
And why did it start specifically at the end of S2? Sounds kinda arbitrary.

>>42246528 (OP)
Rarity doesn't even like Blueblood that much, he's just a stepping stone for her. And, the most important part is that he's not obsessed with her like Discord is with Fluttershy. He doesn't even know her
Also
>he thinks Fluttershy's kindness pussywhipped Discord instead of her pussy

>>42246735
dont be this delusional. FIrst off, /mlp/ isn't the entire mlp community and second off, how can they not be a minority if they keep killing themselves? Are you dumb bro?

>>42246560
literally who more like literally me

>>42247025
If that yellow pussy reeking of wild animals cum could tame Discord, then Celestia should have taken care of it herself. Stupid goat wouldn't even think about mischief ever again. Let alone what a proper royal threesome would have achieved.

>>42246528 (OP)
This seems as good as good a place as any for this. Okay, so I just had a thought recently about the mane 6 and the Gala ordeal. So -- Applejack's whole goal with going to the Gala was to make money for her family, in order to fix up some things around the farm. Thing is, couldn't Rarity just give her some money, instead of making her a dress? I know Rarity likes making clothes, but it really seems like Applejack's whole motivation could have easily solved by Rarity just giving her some money instead. Yea sure, making her a dress for free is generous, but wouldn't it be more generous for Rarity to just fix Applejack's problem directly? And it's not like she doesn't have the money, Green Isn't Your Color clearly establishes that she splurges money for weekly spa trips with Fluttershy. So she's willing to spend money on expensive spa trips with Fluttershy every week, but not willing to throw a few bits at Applejack for a new roof? Does she just like Fluttershy more than Applejack or something? I've only just now thought of this, and it's bugging the hell out of me. I can't think of any reason why Rarity wouldn't just pay for AJ's roof. It just seems so weird she's willing to pay for spa trips for her friends, but not pay for something a bit more functional, but arguably a lot more meaningful.
I'm starting to think Rarity just doesn't like Applejack as much as she does the other ponies in the group desu.

>>42247133
She looks down on her for being a poor dirty country girl, but the romantic and sexual tension between them is off the charts.

Plus, AJ could make money literally anywhere else, her goal at the GGG was pointless. Only Rarity, RD, and potentially Pinkie's made sense.

>>42247157
>her goal at the GGG was pointless. Only Rarity, RD, and potentially Pinkie's made sense.
I don't think it's really any more pointless than the rest of them. AJ wants to go there specifically because it's a big party with very wealthy clientele. RD's goal was retardedly stupid in hindsight, since there's a whole testing and assessment process to go through for joining the Wonderbolts, and they don't just hand our memberships to random ponies who crash their performance, which was basically Dash's plan. Rarity's plan was basically just 'show up and have a prince instantly fall in love with me' which... yea, Cinderella is a fantasy for a reason. As for Pinkie, I honestly can't remember what her plan was at all. She wanted to go to a party. Maybe not the deepest, but fairly straight forward. Really, Applejack, Pinkie, and maybe Fluttershy were the only ones with plans that made logical sense. Dash and Rarity's plans were the ones hinged on total fantasy.

>>42247169
>Fluttershy wanted to see the exotic species in the castle garden
Yes, doing it at the GGG is convenient, but it's not as if those animals were endangered species that she couldn't see anywhere else.
>Applejack wanted to make money to solve some of the family's problems
It's the noblest goal of all, granted. And yes, the profile of the guests might give you the impression that they could spend a lot of money on her, but AJ only has a set amount of stock anyway, which, again, could sell elsewhere.
>Twilight wanted to talk with Celestia personally about her studies on magic
The most retarded one since, as one of her star students, she could do it whenever she wanted with relative ease, and I don't know what made her think that at an event of such magnitude, the Princess would focus her attention exclusively on her.
>Rainbow Dash wanted to meet the Wonderbolts
I don't remember if she just wanted to meet them and leave a good impression on them or straight join them (which yes, would be aiming quite high) but a regular pony like her won't have another chance at it if she wasn't invited to the GGG.
>Rarity wanted to meet the royalty and engage with a prince
Similar to RD, where else would she have a chance to do this?
>Pinkie
She just wanted to attend at the GGG and so she did. I'm happy for she.

>>42247209
>a set amount of stock anyway, which, again, could sell elsewhere.
But she can sell at a higher price at the Gala.
>but a regular pony like her won't have another chance at it if she wasn't invited to the GGG.
Yes she would? None of the other ponies in Wonderbolt Academy were at the Gala. It's a military organization with a recruitment process, going to the Gala isn't part of the requirements. And yea, Rainbow's plan was to interrupt their performance and be so amazing that they would hire her on the spot, not just meeting them.
>Similar to RD, where else would she have a chance to do this?
The where isn't the problem here, the problem is the entire idea is pretty unreasonable. She's assuming a prince is going to fall in love with her, a random tailor from a random village, because she's so beautiful and glorious that no one else could possibly prepare. That's way more unlikely to happen than making some expensive sales at a rich party.
Besides, none of this really relates to my initial point that Applejack wouldn't even have a reason to go if Rarity just gave her some money for a roof in the first place. Rarity has the solution to Applejack's problem, she just refuses to do it for some reason. Hell, Applejack even gives Blueblood and Rarity a pie for free just so Rarity wouldn't have to pay for it, but she can't spare some of that spa money for some wood?

>>42247239
>But she can sell at a higher price at the Gala.
Anon, that's dishonest

>>42247169
>RD was retardedly stupid
Yeah that's just her character

>>42247133
>Thing is, couldn't Rarity just give her some money
Applejack would see that as an insult and rarity knows it.

>>42247266
But the entire point of Applebucking Season was about accepting help from her friends. Prior to that she probably would, but afterward a gift of some money for wood isn't that out there. Especially since Rarity is supposed to be prone to gifts anyway. Why would she accept a free dress, but not some free materials?

>>42247239
>>42247251
As for your point about Rarity giving AJ the money, my argument is that they weren't that close prior to meeting Twilight so, there was no reason for her to do that. She can make a dress because that's her job but you shouldn't expect her to solve everypony's lives just because she's generous lol

>>42247286
But they're friends in the episodes leading up to it though, that's the reason she makes her a dress for free. And like I said, she pays for weekly spa trips with Fluttershy, so they've all clearly gotten to know each other after the premier. I'm not questioning why she doesn't give money to random ponies in her town, I'm questioning why she doesn't give money to one of her closest friends that's struggling with it.

>>42247271
This is kind of a cultural thing I guess, but it can be seen as one rude to make such a point out of someone’s poverty by giving them money, and two it may make them feel useless and dependent. So it makes perfect sense that she’d be willing to accept help or gifts, but be unwilling to accept money. The whole dynamic of having a friend support you financially can be a strain to your relationship too. Idk, but I’d personally feel really weird taking money from a friend

>>42247004
I presume Hasbro didn't like Faust rejecting Cadence being a Alicorn since it was a hasbro executive daughter's oc

>>42247129
You're missing the point entirely. Discord is obsessed with Fluttershy because she's the first pony (maybe even creature) to treat him like a person, to not be afraid or repulsed by him. That's why he's pussywhipped, not because of an arbitrary headcanon ranking of mares.
Blueblood? He's used to mares fawning over him. If anything a bad bitch that spits on his face might turn him on more than the average mare he deals with.

>>42247251
Not really. It's normal in many cultures (such as Japan) to let some rich looking CEO pay hundreds more than a little kid for a snack at a stand.

>>42247647
Equestria isn't Japan (even if you compare the Japanese Emperor to the Alicorn Princess) and Applejack isn't jewish to do that sort of overcharging.

>>42246528 (OP)
Because he was in the right.

No amount of "generosity" makes up for what rarity was trying to do in that scene. She is not practicing generosity in that moment.
If she did try generosity, it might even have worked.

>>42246824
People say its Habee but the show got ruined with MC carthy.

>>42246675
She did WHAT to his butt???

>>42247863
they dont tell you to not hurt Princess Celestia's reputation but the princess was molesting the prince colt since he was a wee little lad.

>>42247841
McCarthy is hotter than your mommy

>>42246824

>>42247866
Well yeah Alicorns are known for that but what did silver spoon do

>>42247870
war crimes

>>42247868
Me too, anon. Me too.

>>42247868
>>42247877
>i haven't watched the shows but im here for the ponies
yes we know you wont watch MLP:FIM ever

>>42247949
No, I've watched the entire show a few times over and I enjoy all of it. Because cute ponies. Someday I'll burn it all to DVD and start watching one episode every weekend when I take my van out, see how long it takes me to go through it all.

>>42247981
>when I take my van out
I take it that you're giving out free candy to the kids in the neighbourhood?

>>42247988
I don't want no fucking kids anywhere near my van, I know what happens when you have kids in a van, me and my brother ruined an otherwise functional 05 caravan back in the day when we were little.
Well the rust is what really got her but once you spill enough sodas into carpet it turns into some sort of nasty sticky goo...
And they'd fuck up my crash bandicoot saves or something.

>>42247949
I've seen every episode multiple times. There are a few bad episodes, and yes a disproportionate number of those were in S8/S9, but overall I think the show is good throughout its whole run.

>>42247721
It is kinda funny how so many people miss the irony and treat Blueblood like he's a dick for acting the exact same way Rarity wanted to act. Like, he's the asshole for expecting Rarity to pay for food or put her clothes on a muddy puddle, but Rarity isn't despite having expected him to do the exact same thing. He's like a mirror, showing how aggravating to deal with Rarity's attitude in that episode would actually be, but everyone misses that part and just takes her side, lol.

>>42248471
Nah, I think the message is clear with that guy. I just wished that more of the M6 had a "reformation" arc besides Fluttershy and Blueblood x Rarity sounded like a no brainer to me.

>>42247710
>Equestria isn't Japan
It's not the USA either. Their morals are not necessarily Western.

>>42248585
Of course it isn't. Equestria is too pure compared to the shithole nations in Earth.

>>42248471
He did shove her in front of himself to shield from the incoming pie, when he could have just stepped aside. That's the only real asshole thing he did though.

>>42247721
kinda weird thing

fluttershy is not using kindness at the gala
rarity is not using generosity
rainbow is causing problems so that she can heroicly solve them in order to get more attention from the wonderbolts, which isn't the most loyal thing
Aj only does one marginally dishonest thing, but isn't being honest in any notable way.

But pinkie is absolutely attempting to practice her element of laughter. She just doing a bad job of it.

>>42246528 (OP)
Season 3 isnt canon. And she didnt really heal him so much as emotionally blackmail him

>>42247868
This actually makes you worse than the people who make the autistic charts, not better

>>42248688
What was the dishonest thing Applejack did? And I don't know if I'd really classify the RD thing as 'disloyal', it's certainly underhanded and unscrupulous, but it seems fairly loyalty neutral to me. As for Pinkie Pie. you could make the argument that she was really only caring about her own laughter at the Gala, not everyone elses, making it a rather self interested form of practicing her element.

>>42248761
IIRC she dropped a sweet in purpose to make a passerby pay for it

>>42248838
I just re-watched it, and you've got the scene a little mixed up. She didn't drop a sweet to make him pay for it, she tripped him with apples, then after she helped him up, tried to get him to buy something else while he was there. So she didn't try to make him pay for the ones she dropped, those were just to trip him. It's a bit closer to what RD was doing, though a bit less destructive.

>>42248861
>>42248838
>>42248688
Also, this conversation kind of reminds me of this old post I found in the archive talking about the Gala and the way the ponies acted. Thought it felt pretty insightful on the psychology of the characters and the different tribes.

>>42248903
And also this reply which extrapolated on the connection.

>>42247133
They needed them all to be at the gala, plot needed it. Be thankful they didn't just make them all act like drooling tweens who NEED to go to the big dance because *arbitrary girly shit*... twilight literally had the dumbest excuse. To spend time with Celestia...twilight, the god princess of the sun will literally teleport to your location and you write her presumably multiple days a week...why on earth do you think shed have time for you at a local event? That's like expecting the president to talk to you AND ONLY YOU at a freaking white house party. The nerve. i would of expected anything else from twilight. To visit the library? Books? To merely spend time with her friends? Element of magic (friendship)...? Would of been funny watching her try to reel everyone in, would have made for some good conflict. Hell even if she was just expected to show up so she did, and hides off in the corner quietly chuckling at her friends chaos. Just does not sit right, Twilight does not like parties, she likes books. My two bits on canterlot in general is that the whole episode was pointless, nothing eventful happens to anyone, and pinky is the only pony who really got to have fun by the end of the episode.

>>42248982
Cont.
I just needed to rant more
Like seriously twilight you talk to celestia every day the fuck are you on
Also Applejack why the fuck would you try to sell apples, and apple treats, at an event that is most likely catering to its guests with spoiled rich food. Of course they didn't want her apples, it would have ruined their palate...
Rainbow dash is just a text book narcissist, as usual
Fluttershy gets a pass cause she's cute
Rarity your a stupid cunt but I get you
And pinky pie was the only one that makes sense truly character wise...she would most definitely get to excited and expect to impress every pony with her usual antics, shes just too damn spunky you can't stop the pink train.
Everyone else...I get the impression they are at least adults or coming of age, and should be well aware of what a ROYAL party is like, and what you would expect at a "party" for a bunch of stuffy rich people. Absolutely unbelievable. When I first was watching the show the GGG almost made me throw in the towel, but they wrapped it up with a good lesson about making due with what you got, and going to an event is more about spending time with your friends than the actual event itself. Gotta say the main thing that made me fall for the show more than anything was trying to teach or youth something helpful in day to day life while providing them some quality entertainment...most of the time.
Addendum
the show could be about 20% cooler

>>42248982
Twilight's obsession with Celestia in the first seasons was what sparked people to think she has a teacher fetish.

Which I hate, though there was at least one comic by foudubulbe about it that was funny.

>>42248996
>and should be well aware of what a ROYAL party is like
To be fair, Twilight is the only one who's actually from Canterlot. It's not really fair to fault Pinkie, Applejack, or Fluttershy for not knowing what a royal party is like when they've, presumably, never even been to Canterlot city before. And since when have apples ever been considered lower class food either? Last I checked, fresh fruit has always been something rich people ate. The only one you can really say should have known better is Twilight, since she grew up there. But the rest of them would have no way of knowing what a fancy royal Canterlot party was like, or what to really expect.

>>42248982
Nah, the episode isn't pointless. It was built up throughout the season and was a spectacular finale. It served to show that girls have personality and interests beyond the typical "girly shit" you mention. It's just that in retrospect, each one's goals don't sound like something that really required going to the GGG.

>>42249030
This. Best Night Ever is still the best season finale, we're only able to say some of their plans are 'obviously stupid' because we have the power of hindsight. I doubt anyone assumed Applejack's products would be looked down on, or that Fluttershy wouldn't be able to bond with the animals before watching it. But everyone is a genius after the fact, of course, and can tell you exactly how everything 'obviously' wouldn't work.

>>42248761
>Prince Blueblood: [gags] Oh! Fritters! Dumplings! Caramel apples! My royal lips have touched common carnival fare! I'm going to the buffet for some... hors d'oeuvres.
>Applejack: Well, no wonder nopony wants my food. They're fillin' up on those fancy-schmancy vittles. Well, my down-home apples are plenty good enough for this crowd. I'll just dress 'em up a bit and prove it to 'em.

Marginally dishonest, but what she's doing is literally tricking people. It's marketing.
Marginal, but also she tripped that guy.
She's not really doing dishonesty, just she isn't doing honesty, either.

>>42248903
Also of note, both unicorns are after a single target. They tend towards obsessions and egomania, because unicorns are, classically speaking, fucking bonkers.
Starlight > sunburst
sunset > world fucking domination
twilight >celestia, and also her brother and sister in law kind of
rarity > romance in general but never in a way that actually creates a meaningful relationship beyond the mere idea of romance
trixie > vengance on the town, for a bit

>>42249624
Eh, I can see the tripping someone as a bit dishonest, but I disagree on the cake. Changing up the presentation to make it more appealing to the crowd she's trying to sell to seems perfectly fine to me. Especially since, going by the dialogue, it doesn't really seem that Blueblood objected to the apples themselves, just the way they were served. I.E, fried goods and caramel apples, which are more stereotypical fare food, as opposed to something more refined.

>>42247133
Rarity stuffing her friends in dresses allows her to flex her artistic talents in a way that is NOT designed for general consumption by the masses. Pretty sure all her friends were immediately pushed onto a runway to show off the dresses she made, and then these 5 very important mares wore those dresses to, probably the most important fancy party in that whole world.

Also aj would NOT fucking take a handout.

>weekly spaw splurge
le sigh what is this avocado ass argument
https://spaworldhouston.com/how-much-does-spa-day-cost/
alright so lets highball it and say 600% per week on average. I don't think rarity is doing an overnight stay in that tiny spa building, and she's probably not getting the most expensive package, but she also brings fluttershy sometimes. It also matters that ponies are specialists by nature, so aloe and lotus probably cost less than an equivalent pare of humans. Still, I'm saying 600$

Orchards cost like $1,800,000 -ish, or $2,300 for an acre. Aj's orchard is fucking huge, so we'll say 1.8mill. Profit per a year is apparently between $2300 and $3500 for an acre, so lets say $2500.

1800000/2300 = 782 acres * 2500 = 1956521 annual profit *40% = $782,608 so Aj has to be around 780,000 dollars in debt to be at risk of losing an apple orchard far smaller than her orchard. That's 1304 600$ spa days rarity would have to skip in order to pay for AJ's debt.

Alternatively, she could just hardly pay for just enough of AJ's debt that AJ's yearly profit : total debt ratio becomes tolerable, which could cost as low as a single dollar, or bit, because ponies use bits. In that case, why couldn't AJ just scrape an extra dollar together herself? How much is a fair amount for rarity to pay into AJ's debt? What happens next year when the farm continues to be a failing business and now AJ is broke AND in debt to rarity AND in debt to a bank?

https://desuarchive.org/mlp/thread/41052023/#q41052531
>we can vaguely assume she makes about $60,000 in profit per year,
So, while 600*12 = 7200 for a year of spa trips, AJ's farm debt eclipses rarity's earnings. Like most people in business, rarity and AJ both spend down to the bone in order to grow their business, and live on fairly thin margins because NOT doing that means growing their business less and falling behind the competition. As economies function, even the rich get to be poor. It's just that some people are the kind of poor that gets weakly spa trips and some people eat beans for months at a time while sleeping in a rental in a ghetto.

Don't hold her spa trips against her too hard.

>>42249669
>So, while 600*12 = 7200 for a year of spa trips,
600*52 = $31,200, which is much more but still just puts a small dent in AJ's debt.

Business really become profitable after they have paid their debts off and become stable, which only happens after a few years. At that point the reward is large, or should be.

>>42249669
>>42249680
I have no idea where you're getting all this about "debt" from. I was just talking about Rarity buying some wood for her roof, or gifting her a new plow.

>>42249707
https://mlp.fandom.com/wiki/Transcripts/The_Super_Speedy_Cider_Squeezy_6000
Applejack: Cider sales keep our business afloat through the winter. We'd lose Sweet Apple Acres if we agreed to this.

Without the profits from cider, the farm would be lost. So, the farm is in enough debt that this is a concern, but not enough debt that the bank has taken anything yet.

This is consistent with AJ being unable to afford a hip replacement for grandma or the materials for a roof repair, despite that counting as a business expense.

>>42249721

Flim: We'll sweeten the deal. You supply the apples...
Flam: ...We supply the Super Speedy Cider Squeezy 6000.
Flim and Flam: Then we split those sweet sweet profits...
Flim: ...Seventy-five...
Flam: ...Twenty-five.
Apple Bloom: Deal—
Applejack: Hold on. Who gets the seventy five?
Flim: Why, us, naturally.
Flam: And, we'll throw in the magic to power the machine for free.

Wait, actually it is worse than that. A deal which reduces labor requirements, increases production by a lot, and still gives 25% of the profits would result in the loss of the farm. They would be making more than 1/4th of what they were making before, and could put that saved labor towards other ventures.

>>42249721
>>42249729
I don't think debt in necessarily the reason they need the cider sales. They obviously need money for expenses, food, maintenance, possible hospital trips, taxes, etc. And being a farm, they logically wouldn't really be making any sales in the winter, since nothing is growing. Winter Wrap Up explicitly mentions them relying on stored up food, so we know they aren't growing in the winter. So the profits from cider sales would basically be an influx of money to help see them through the part of the year where they make zero profits. "Losing Sweet Apple Acres" could easily just mean that they wouldn't be able to afford their taxes, on top of all their other expenses, without that money to see them through the 3 straight months of zero profit.
Plus, I'm pretty sure the show mentions at some point that Sweet Apple Acres was actually granted to their family by Celestia, not something they took out a loan and bought, so the land is outright theirs.

>>42249744
If you can't afford your taxes and the result is the loss of a farm, that means you were in debt enough that taking on more debt would lose you the farm. The fact they received the land as a gift in the first place doesn't change this, other than making them look kind of pathetic.

Cider is also a very limited supply which we see them distributing in the summer. Apples, despite being picked all at once, are sold year-round thanks to freezers. Even if they aren't, the number of apples they sold is the number of apples they sold, and is reduced down to a single number of "profits." There's not particular significance to the time of year. It doesn't matter when you make your profit, only how much profit you made per year. The dead of winter would be the time in which AJ's funds gets the lowest, right up until the first day of harvest. So, if she DOES run out of money, it would happen during the winter/spring. So, it still makes sense to use a phrase like "through the winter", even if the sales don't actually need to happen during the winter.

>>42246528 (OP)
>Is her nephew
How? I never understood this. Does Luna have a husband? Do the sisters have a brother? How is he their nephew? Also do unicorns generally constitute the highest position of Equestrian society. They seem to be the highest caste so to speak, like Brahim in India. The earth ponies we see in FiM tend to be from working class and rural backgrounds. Twilight seems to be from the aristocracy, Rarity is upper crust and I may be bullshitting but most of canterlots elite seem to be unicorns. The only wealthy earth ponies we see are relatively new money like Filthy Rich. The pegasi seem to be an ethno-profession dedicated to being soldiers and weather workers. I know the show doesn't want to address these issues but it seems like unicorns are generally the wealthiest most powerful ponies, who have historically enjoyed being top of pony society.

>>42249760
>If you can't afford your taxes and the result is the loss of a farm, that means you were in debt enough that taking on more debt would lose you the farm.
My nigga, what the hell are you talking about? You don't need to be in debt for the government to take your shit for not paying your taxes. Property taxes don't come from being in debt, they're something you pay for land you own, and if you don't pay them, the government repossesses your shit. Unless you're making the argument that they're in debt to the government, which... yea, no shit, everyone is dude, that's what taxes are. The government owns the land, and you pay for the right to live there.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Property_tax

>>42249787
If you owe the government money, and you don't have the money, you can get a loan, and then give the government their money.

If you can't get a loan, then the banks are done with you, which means you're deep in debt.

>>42249792
What if they don't want to take out a loan for the exact reason of avoiding debt?

>>42249796
Then they lose their farm.

Either this was a correct decision, in which case there is no reason for rarity to subsidize AJ's failing farm

Or it was a wrong decision. If it was a wrong decision, then they should have taken the loan. If aj should have taken the loan, then it becomes really hard to justify expecting rartiy to enable Aj NOT taking that useful loan.

>>42249799
I'm just saying man, you're making a lot of unnecessary assumptions in all this debt business and what not. I was never even saying Rarity should subsidize her or anything like that. I'm just pointing out Rarity could help her pay for a new roof, or a new plow, and it wouldn't be that hard for her. This whole debt business and Rarity subsidizing the farm has nothing to do with what I was talking about.

>>42249812
If AJ can pay for it herself, AJ should pay for it herself. Thus, rarity is only relevant if AJ cannot pay for it, which implies that AJ is in tight financial situation, which is already implied by the cider/zap apple episodes.

> subsidize: support (an organization or activity) financially.
you are actually saying that, yes

>>42249822
Clearly AJ is managing on her own, seeing as she keeps the farm. I'm just pointing out that if Rarity is really so generous, replacing her friend's shitty old plow is a lot more meaningful than giving her a new dress that she didn't really even want in the first place.
> subsidize: support (an organization or activity) financially.
But by your logic, Rarity is already subsidizing AJ by making her a dress for free, since she's supporting her financially by making her clothes she doesn't need to pay for.

>>42249777
>How is he their nephew?
It can be presumed that Celestia and Luna had a third sister/brother that didn't get the blessings to be a alicorn so Princess Celestia attaches to Prince Blueblood as a reminder of her long dead sister/brother. Or for all we could know Blueblood could be the brother of Celestia and Luna and is actually immortal but not blessed enough to be a alicorn. It's just something Faust left up for world building and the nu writers after s2 just forgot about so it's a big plothole left but I just presume that it's something Equestrian history forgot about except for Celestia and Luna.

>>42249829
>clearly, she is managing
Then she doesn't need the help.

>dresses
Dress helps rarity as much as aj. It helps the farm in a marginal and coincidental manner. The roof is literally part of the farm, and is not of direct interest to rarity.

If rarity took AJ to the spa, that would subsidize AJ's lifestyle to some degree, but it would also give rarity an experience she wanted. The same is more directly true with rarity taking fluttershy to the spa. That IS a subsidy of fluttershy, but isn't really a subsidy of fluttershy's business, except in the case where low stress and good health is part of fluttershy's animal business. There's a pretty big difference between rarity bringing fluttershy to the spa, and having rarity buy a whole bunch of animal feed. Both can be considered subsidies, but one requires a much broader intention regarding what is meant by "subsidies", or what exactly is being subsidized.

There's also the fact that rartiy was essentially doing free labor. Rarity did not pay an amount of money equal to the market value of those custom dresses. She paid for fabric, and paid in effort. In this way, she paid far less for the dresses than anyone else in the world would have paid. While the plow/roof might cost less in raw numbers, rarity would have no advantage regarding the acquisition of roof tiles, and so there would be less reason for her specifically to do it.

So, "why doesn't rarity just generously give AJ some roof material instead of a dress if she can afford spa trips constantly?"
1. rarity's finances involve the moving of 10% of the money which moves in AJ's finances, and so any problem which AJ cannot handle would absolutely destroy rarity if she tried to handle it.
2. AJ is prideful as FUCK and there are multiple episodes about this, and so would not accept help she didn't need. She might not even accept help she did need.
3. Rarity makes it perfectly clear in the manehattan episode with coco pomel that she uses generosity as a means of social lubricant. She's being "generous" in that she's not being "stingy" to people who she will work with or who she wants something from. She is generous because she gets things out of it, and also because it increases the overall amount of pretty shit in the world sometimes. The dresses are a prefect example of that. She is being generous to people she interacts with often while having alternative motivations.
4. Rarity does not make plows from raw iron or tiles from.... wood or whatever, and so does not have an effective discount over AJ regarding the acquisition of tiles/roofs/hip replacements

In conclusion, she wouldn't do that because it is not in character for her to do that, but also it shouldn't be expected that she would do that.

>>42249870
>need the help
I never said she NEEDED the help, I was just pointing out that that benefits her a lot more than a dress does.
>If rarity took AJ to the spa, that would subsidize AJ's lifestyle to some degree
Which she does, See Ponyville Confidential and Applejack's Day Off.
>She's being "generous" in that she's not being "stingy" to people who she will work with or who she wants something from. She is generous because she gets things out of it,
Then she's not really being generous, she's just doing things that benefit her. That's really not a good look on Rarity, and it's a pretty mercenary take on her character.
>rarity's finances involve the moving of 10% of the money which moves in AJ's finances, and so any problem which AJ cannot handle would absolutely destroy rarity if she tried to handle it.
My nigga, I doubt a plow made of wood and metal costs more than a couple hundred dollars. If Rarity wanted to gift Applejack something useful that lets Applejack focus her finances on more important things, that's perfectly within her budget. The christmas special even shows Rarity buying(not making) a fancy new hat for her as a gift, so it's absolutely in character for her to buy things as gifts.
>In conclusion, she wouldn't do that because it is not in character for her to do that
You're basically saying it's not in character for Rarity to be actually generous in a way that she isn't deriving direct benefit or gain from. Which, man, that's a cold take on Rarity as a person. You're making her sound like a bitch.

>>42249624
>fancy-schmancy vittles
Unrelated, but this sentence was always eargasm to me. Autism, I know.

>>42249787
Equestria doesn't have evil things like this.

I don't get why you autismos have such a huge discussion about this. AJ wouldn't take Rarity or any pony else's money as help because she's too stubborn for that, and she doesn't want to be a burden to others. There's really nothing more to it than that.

>>42249887
If all she needs is a plow, then AJ does not need rarity. If AJ is stubbornly refusing to buy a plow when she needs one and can afford one, then rarity giving her a plow would be likely to trigger AJ's pride. There's a chance that rarity could successfully get away with handing AJ a plow which AJ did not need help obtaining, but no reason to expect that out of her.

Further, if we simply accept the logic which says that rarity, being generous, should replace farm equipment that is in disrepair without being asked, then rarity should replace ALL of the farm equipment and pay to repair every one of her friends roofs in order to meet this ideal of "generous".

>Generous: (of a person) showing a readiness to give more of something, as money or time, than is strictly necessary or expected.
If one can expect someone to be generous, it isn't really generous anymore. There's also no part of this definition which says that having an alternative motivation makes one not generous. It's just about giving a lot, relatively.

A big gem tip to your baggage boy IS generous.

>rarara a bitch
https://desuarchive.org/mlp/thread/32446932/#32451575
I mean not really but kind of, yeah.
You said it first, I just described how she acts.

>>42249934
Ok but it DOES have some way to lose the farm. If not taxes, debt. If not debt, some kind of semi-socialist system requiring that the possessor of land is making good use of it. Invent a system in your head which you can accept, and then simply substitute it in so that it explains AJ's situation, which it should.

>>42249939
we said that already

>>42249943
You're still arguing like a retard though.

>>42249948
>a smart person tackles a problem from one angle
>a retard interacts with each involved concept separately using more words
kk

Well, the question wasn't "would aj accept help" but was instead "why wouldn't rarity give help", so your answer ignores the spirit with which the question was asked, because rarity's characterization was the point of interest, not AJ's.

>>42249954
>Autistic babble

>>42249961
>says he doesn't get why there's a bigger discussion
>is not interested in why there's a bigger discussion

Go be interested in something, somewhere.

>>42249940
>If AJ is stubbornly refusing to buy a plow when she needs one and can afford one, then rarity giving her a plow would be likely to trigger AJ's pride
It's not about AJ refusing to buy a plow out of stubborness, it's about her putting off buying one in favor of more pressing concerns, as Ticket Master shows there's multiple things that need doing and replacing. It's not just one thing, Applejack could replace one thing, but when there's 5 different things that need fixing, she can't just throw money at all of them.
As for her pride, Applebucking Season was literally the fourth episode, and it was all about AJ letting go of her pride and accepting help from her friends.
>then rarity should replace ALL of the farm equipment and pay to repair every one of her friends roofs in order to meet this ideal of "generous".
No, because her other friends aren't the ones who need new roofs and farm equipment.

>>42249969
>can't buy all the things she needs
Then she doesn't have the money and can't get the money. She either has access to the money, or she does not have access to the money. She either is in debt enough to lose the farm, or she is not in debt enough to lose the farm. A statement like this makes me want to use the assumption that she is, in fact, broke, because that's the case which fits with the argument you just gave.
But I'll wait until you make it explicit. Is she too broke to afford upkeep on her business, or not?
Or even just, which assumption are we using in this case?

>because her other friends aren't the ones who need new roofs
Wait, ok, this is batshit insane. You have just said that you actually think rarity should replace all the broken roofs her friends might have, on the grounds that she must do so in order to be considered generous.

If the reason she shouldn't replace twilight's roof is that twilight doesn't have a broken roof, that would mean that if twilight DID have a broken roof, that rarity SHOULD replace it for that reason alone. That kind of imposition is FAR beyond the scope of what "generous" requires.

>>42249992
>Wait, ok, this is batshit insane. You have just said that you actually think rarity should replace all the broken roofs her friends might have, on the grounds that she must do so in order to be considered generous.
No nigga, because the rest of her friends aren't explicitly short on cash and have a bunch of shit to fix the way Applejack is.
I don't even understand what the fuck you're trying to argue anymore. You keep going on about debt and banks and all this other random shit and acting like I'm saying Rarity should just pay for Applejack's entire livelyhood, when that was never my point. What the hell is it you don't understand about "Rarity could get Applejack a gift that's more practical/valuable to her, but chooses not to". If your answer to that question is "Rarity doesn't do it because it doesn't benefit her" like you seem to be implying >>42249870
then you've already answered the question I was posing in the first place. She's a bitch who's generosity is only skin deep and only applies to things she personally enjoys and appreciates. Great, next Anon please.

>>42250010
If your argument is that she shouldn't pay for twilight's roof because twilight isn't short on cash, then that means
1. aj is short on cash
2. if twilight, or anyone, were short on cash and had a broken roof, rarity SHOULD replace it
Is that the case or not?

>>42250017
>2. if twilight, or anyone, were short on cash and had a broken roof, rarity SHOULD replace it
If Rarity's primary defining trait is how generous she is, and she's been shown time and again to have plenty of money lying around to spend it on frivolous things, then I would expect her to offer some kind of support. "Should" is a strong word, that implies she's obligated in some way. She isn't obligated to help replace AJ's stuff. But if Rarity wants to generously give her expensive gifts in the form of designer clothes, then that money could have easily gone to things that Applejack actually cares about instead. It's the same money and effort either way, just one way is actually helpful to her friend.

>>42250032
Ah, but it isn't the same money or effort either way, right?
Remember? With the free labor? With the rarity paying less than anyone on the planet would for those dresses?

>>42250050
...You're going to have to reword this post man, cause I have no idea what the hell you're trying to say. Maybe I'm just too sleep deprived. I'll be back after I've slept, and hopefully I'll actually understand your next post.

>>42250064
That is what I feared.

>There's also the fact that rartiy was essentially doing free labor. Rarity did not pay an amount of money equal to the market value of those custom dresses. She paid for fabric, and paid in effort. In this way, she paid far less for the dresses than anyone else in the world would have paid. While the plow/roof might cost less in raw numbers, rarity would have no advantage regarding the acquisition of roof tiles, and so there would be less reason for her specifically to do it.

The amount of money you would pay for a custom dress designed around your personality and interests is much higher than the amount of money rarity paid in fabric. Rarity did not need to have the full value of the product in cash in order to give it to applejack. In this way, by giving that dress, rarity fabricated value out of thin air, because that is what you do when you craft a product. Thus, even if rarity were flat broke, rarity would still be able to make and give that dress, because it was not a gift of monetary value, but instead a craft.

You're making me suspect that the reason you think the debt stuff is "random" is that you don't remember large chunks of what I said, like this chunk, in this post, with the green arrow.

That's why I asked "hey, do you remember that thing I said" and you responded "no and I'm sleepy"

>reword your post
"Hey, why are you saying it is the same effort and money when I already pointed out that it is neither the same effort or the same money?"
It's also not the same result, in that rarity making the dress gives aj a dress AND gives rartiy an artistic project to show off to the world, which means she accomplishing more goals with less effort, which is just smart. Rarity has to show off to the world regardless in order to grow her brand, and this way she gets to do that while also doing something nice for people, meaning she spent close to the same amount of money she had to spend regardless.

>they're still going
Good God

>>42250206
at this rate they should share a room because they're both fags

>>42246528 (OP)
Because there was nothing to heal. He was already perfect, and he merely realised that Rarity is thoting up so he decided to teach her a lesson.

>>42249777
>Is her nephew
When is this stated?

>>42250495
I'm pretty sure it's in the Gala episode if I'm not mistaken? That being said I get a good portion of my FiM lots from Equestria at War where he's described as Celestias nephew

>>42250495
By faust herself.

>>42250537
oop bad image but this is faust in 2011 saying this

>>42250542
>It's a fan name
He literally introduces himself as the Prince Blueblood

>>42250266
I refuse to believe that he didn't want to smash Rarity

>>42250779
He is a true noble and to autistic for that.

>>42250779
I mean he probably did want to first seeing Rarity but once Rarity was expecting him to basically pamper her and such he gradually just lost interest as Rarity kept bothering him.

>>42250775
faust probably forgot

>>42250775
>Faust doesn't watch her own show
Grim.

>>42250085
Okay, so you're saying it's not the same because Rarity is getting something out of the transaction in one scenario, where as she gets nothing in the other. You're also ignoring the fact that Rarity has paid for expensive designer clothes that she herself didn't make before on occasions, which goes against the "She's paying with effort, not money". So again, your position is that Rarity's generosity only goes so far as she's gaining something from helping you. So you've answered the original question I posed ten posts ago, and the rest of the conversation since has been meaningless drivel. I call all the debt talk "random" because it has nothing to do with the price of tea in china. You are the only one talking about it, it isn't germane to my point, and whether or not AJ is in debt makes no difference to my point. AJ doesn't have to be thousands of dollars in debt to be strapped for cash and not able to replace damaged equipment.
Again, you've already answered the question. Rarity doesn't do it because she doesn't care and she doesn't get anything for it at all. I don't know what you're trying to do with the rest of this.

>>42251318
Get a fucking room.

>>42250779
why didn't prince blueblood just have sex and impregnate rarity? is he stupid?

>>42251318
Pic related is (You) two.

>>42251421
He has bad taste. Or is a respectable gay stallion.

>>42251471
Prince Blueblood's taste in mares is that they have to be from canterlot and rich which Rara isnt.

>>42246528 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0r0vumVo8s

>>42251476
Still gay. If a bitch as good looking as Rarity gave herself to me like that I would at least take her upstairs.

>>42251542
Blueblood is a prince, there would be better, powerful and more richer mares willing to marry him just for the princess title.

>>42250542
>>42250495
>>42249777
Now I'm curious about all these siblings that Celestia and Luna had in the past that didn't become alicorns. Why was it just those two? How many other ponies are possible descendants of their lineage? Does this make all alicorns part of this lineage, and Twilight is actually just another distantly related niece of Celestia's?

>>42247239
>Wonderbolt Academy
The Wonderbolt Academy didn't exist at the time, and I'm not just talking from a meta perspective. In Season 4 when RD was about to take the exam for the reserves, Twilight said that the reserves was newly formed which is where the Academy cadets go after training. The Gala was RD's only chance to be noticed by the Wonderbolts, at the time. Her plan of crashing their performance was exceedingly retarded though.

>>42251557
Since the sun and the moon is a part of the solar system, makes me wonder if the forgotten siblings could be a mars alicorn, Venus alicorn and even a uranus alicorn.

>>42251563
>The Gala was RD's only chance to be noticed by the Wonderbolts
It wasn't though. She was literally already noticed by them at the best young fliers competition in Sonic Rainboom. Granted, Ticket Master I'm pretty sure takes place before Sonic Rainboom, but even so, that still means that Sonic Rainboom completely invalidates whatever reasoning RD would have. She's already got a foot in the door with the Wonderbolts after the competition, and her plan for interrupting their performance is, as everyone agrees, absolutely retarded.

>>42251592
>Sonic Rainboom completely invalidates whatever reasoning RD would have.
NTA but I don't think so, it was still the easiest way she had to get closer to the WB. Is not like she could knock at their door just because they noticed her at the competition.

>interrupting their performance is, as everyone agrees, absolutely retarded.
Ye. But in her defense, every pony made stupid decisions that night.

>>42251542
That's why you're not a prince.

>>42251707
I don't want to be a prince, I want to have sex marathon with Rarity from Ponyville

>>42251318
Lets say that I plant an eggplant in my yard. It grows from rain. I eat it raw. I did not pay $3.99 for that eggplant.

Lets say that I go to the store and buy an eggplant for $3.99. I eat that eggplant. It cost me money.

That does not change the fact that the first eggplant did not cost me money.

To make a claim like "the fact rarity has bought cloths before goes against the idea that she's not paying real money" is to try, intentionally, to avoid processing what you are being told.

> AJ doesn't have to be thousands of dollars in debt to be strapped for cash and not able to replace damaged equipment.
She does. Is she is not in debt, then she is able to afford a thing which her business requires in order to make money.

>rarity doesn't care
THIS is why we are still talking.
Cause this is wrong.
The whole basis of every thing I have said is to disabuse you of that exact notion, since the very first post. It does not stand up that rarity, on account of not meeting your absurd demand, must then be a horrid person. You said it bothered you, that you were thinking about it, that you were thinking about how rarity does not preform this action which you think she should preform. I'm telling you why she shouldn't preform it.

Every human on earth could be giving their money and time to any number of causes which could be considered objectively good from any perspective which cares about the average well being of humans. We don't. If we did, we would all be with fewer resources. We must eat. Behaving in a maximally philanthropic way, with absolutely no self interest, would kill us all, and then end each of our philanthropic contributions.

Sometimes, in this world full of selfish people, we take actions which benefit others, when we think we can afford it. More often, we preform jobs. These jobs sacrifice our time, but support a system of order and agriculture which generally allows life to thrive for us. Small amounts of effort are scraped from these events and, as a result, children live to become adults.

While rarity is a fairly mercenary character, it's not unusual for her to take a task she was going to do, which is create fancy designer dresses for the growth of her brand, and cause that event to serve multiple purposes. If she chose not to do that, and instead put an equivalent amount of time and effort towards the repair of her friends houses, she actually would go broke, because rarity is donating a very generous amount in value. If she gave a 300% plow, that would be 300$s worth of generous. It would be good, probably, if she could afford it. Her gesture of thousands of dollars in cloths is not LESS generous.

No matter how many times I say it, you simply ignore the points
1. Rarity is paying less than other people would. She is.
2. Applejack can either afford the plow, or she can't.

>>42252071
Sir, I'm not the gentleman you are talking to but I'm intrigued by the point you are trying to make. Is it that Rarity is not truly generous or that she is a bad friend from not helping Applejack?

>>42252071
>To make a claim like "the fact rarity has bought cloths before goes against the idea that she's not paying real money" is to try, intentionally, to avoid processing what you are being told.
No it's not, it's me pointing out that you're intentionally ignoring that Rarity already buys expensive gifts for her friends that she doesn't make. The only one ignoring a point here is you. Your eggplant analogy fails too, because you aren't factoring in the cost of the seed, or of upkeep. You can't just throw a seed in the ground, come back a month later, and have edible food. There's a lot more labor involved in gardening that you're ignoring. You're ignoring Rarity's material cost, or the time value of her doing a free project over one she could get paid for, which was part of my original point. Why waste time and resources for something she's not getting paid for as a gift, when instead she could get a gift that's both more meaningful to the recipient, and easier for her? It's more effort on her part for something that matters less.
>No matter how many times I say it, you simply ignore the points
I'm not, it's just that half the words you're typing have nothing to do with the conversation.
>1. Rarity is paying less than other people would. She is.
No, she isn't.
>2. Applejack can either afford the plow, or she can't.
See my previous point, this has nothing to do with my argument. If Applejack being able to afford something means Rarity shouldn't get her one as a gift, then there's no point in Rarity giving gifts for anyone, ever, since they can afford things just fine on their own. The point of a gift is doing something nice for someone, their financial situation has little bearing on the exchange. If Applejack wants to get a new plow, but is putting it off buying one because it's not a major concern for her and would rather spend her money elsewhere, it still makes a better gift than a free dress, or new hat.
> If she gave a 300% plow, that would be 300$s worth of generous. It would be good, probably, if she could afford it. Her gesture of thousands of dollars in cloths is not LESS generous.
The dollar value of a gift has little to do with how good of a gift it is. A gift worth only a few hundred dollars cam be many times more valuable to the recipient than one worth thousands of dollars, that's the point you keep missing. It's less effort and a better gift. And didn't you give a 600 dollar value to her spa trips before? If she can afford 600 dollar spa trips every week, than a 300 dollar plow isn't bankrupting her, like you seem to think it would.

I don't remember who it was in this thread that got me to read that time Loop fic about blue blood but I read the whole thing yesterday and I really liked it so thank you

>>42252225
it would be >>42246577 this anon
Prince Blueblood has some good fics despite being a niche character.

Discord betrayed them all 3 times in the show. It would be like Hello Kitty trying to reform Tony Soprano and he doesn't even go a week before he goes back to racketeering or beating up someone who mildly offended him.

>>42252903
Yea, they really should have had Discord make more of an active effort in building relations with the ponies rather than just fucking around with them. His redemption would be a lot easier to buy if we actually saw him interacting and being friendly with the mane 6 unironically, instead of being some trickster prankster messing up their plans constantly.

>>42246528 (OP)
Discord was an insufferable faggot, while this guy was just insufferable.

>>42249669
autism

>>42252903
but what about another betrayal? Cant have enough of those from Discord.

>>42253009
Definitely.

>>42253393
do you think it was actually Twilight Sparkle? I don't doubt that she would argue with the most autistic points for a mongolian basket weaving forum.

>>42253430
It's definitely his spirit animal.

If Blueblood was in the wrong then Rarity could have and would have found another stallion at one point in her life
Oh wait, maybe the problem is not stallions, but herself

>>42252118
The opposite of both of those.
Her behavior is generous and none of the objections raised against her behavior would make her not-generous.

Giving a hand crafted gift is a very friendly thing to do and even if I were to accept that a true and maximum friend would preform some more friendly gesture, this would still be a friendly gesture.

>>42252198
>>1. Rarity is paying less than other people would. She is.
>No, she isn't.
Ok, lets stick to JUST this one, then.

Lets say there is a 5 dollar sandwich. I go to the store and buy 4 dollars of ingredients. I construct a sandwich which is identacle to the 5 dollar sandwich. Did I pay less than 5 dollars for the sandwich?

>>42253581
Not when you factor in the cost of labor

>>42253598
Remember what I said about intentionally refusing to process what is being said?

>>42253602
>what is labor
>what is overhead
>what is indirect expenses

>>42253569
>nu-writer garbage
I mean, Rarity is an entitled whore, but the later seasons are not the evidence of that.

>>42253569
you'll make the rarityfags seethe by just saying that

>>42253777

It's true. I'm seething.

>>42246528 (OP)
what would MLP:FIM be if the Gala was a success for everypony?

>>42253728
She's not entitled, she just wants to be part of high society by working on her image, her manners, and the style of her dresses, which is reflected in how beautiful she is. Therefore, she earned the right to refrain from acting modestly. And as for her being a whore, it's also not true. Using your charm to get things doesn't make you a whore, just makes the others stupid in any case.

>>42254027
A Canterlot Wedding is somewhat The Best Night Ever if everything went right as every pony did a task similar than what they wanted to do at the Gala. My question is why Spike decided not to go in if he also had a ticket.

>>42253598
>>42253602
>>42253607
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opportunity_cost
Since this thread is turning into an economics lesson.

>>42254246
Thanks for providing more evidence Rarityfags are terrible people, just like their waifu.

>>42254246
>>42254489
>Using your charm to get things doesn't make you a whore, just makes the others stupid in any case.
I'm just saying, if that's the standard we're gonna hold, then we can't really fault Suri what's her name in Rarity Takes Manehattan. Suri's not a bitch, it's Rarity's fault she fell for such an obvious trick.

>>42254246
>Therefore, she earned the right to refrain from acting modestly
I can kind of get that but that's also sounding like entitlement to an extent. Especially for season 1. She was born into a normal family and has nothing to do with high society at that point aside from being friends with Twilight Sparkle. Who's just a nerd that happens to be a student of the princess. Rarity has not made a name for herself yet in the fashion world, she's just a designer from some rural small town.
And it's very entitled of her to expect a prince to go out of his way to woo her.
>And as for her being a whore, it's also not true
She can't be a whore if she's not taking dick, so I agree. I think some anons use the word whore instead of bitch, even though they mean bitch. Being charming is one thing, but using people with it is kind of bitchy.

>>42246771
>weed out mares who want him for status or whatever
His behavior would weed out any mare.

>>42254859
Get over it, Rarity

>>42254859
lol rarity is still mad over the gala

>>42254859
Pick a specific behavior of his. Which one would weed out any mare?

lol

>>42254882
>>42255486
>>42255488
I forgot people in this board don't watch the show. My bad.

>>42255712
Neither do you it seems.

>>42247868
Will you still like ponies when they get replaced and mixed with literal who's from creature equestria and end up looking like abominable freaks of nature with none of the qualities only pure blooded ponies had? That's what getting to the 'school of friendship' season felt like, it's a blessing the show never fully commited to it's god awful late seasons premises and instead maintened the focus on the mane 6 until the end before goinh to shit and getting woke.

It's an understatement just how nigger-pilled seasons 8-9 are, the show was only getting worse from there, we were lucky God intervened and cut off the Devil's work before he could finish.

FIM was saved, NOT ruined.

>>42247868
retard

>>42254489
rarityfags are all delusional

>>42251923
This Anon is a whore.

>>42250542
So that's where "Prince Blueblood the 52nd" or whatever in the fanfic The Best Night Ever comes from. Neat, didn't know that

>>42255980
Still less delusional than Dashfags, but yea.

>>42255980
They believe that Rarity, who would rather stay single than end up with ANY OF THE STALLIONS IN EQUESTRIA, would actually give them the time of day, so yeah, delusional as fuck.

>>42256334
Eh, I think the fact Rarity has only ever shown interest in upper class unicorns, and the fact that she tends to be the most racist member of the group are much bigger points on why she doesn't make a great choice.

>>42256356
Well that's another reason, realistically unless you are into /ptfg/ and become a unicorn upon entering Equestria, your chances of getting with Rarity are slim to none.

>>42256356
>rarity is /r9k/ and I haven't realized until now
Nah, she goes after what she deserves as the queen she is.

>>42256379
>>42256356
>>42256505
It's kinda funny how everyone treats Applejack as the default most racist one just because she's a redneck, while in the show she actually tends to be decently open minded and accommodating. Meanwhile Rarity is the one who actually says insanely eye brow raising things about other characters constantly, but everyone acts like she's super metropolitan and accepting of differences. I'd just like to remind everyone that she was the only one who objected to the way Zecora looked in Bridle Gossip. The rest of them were just afraid of her for being a witch, Rarity was the only one who went "Eugh, and she has stripes too!".

>>42256514
>the mare cares for her looks the most is also the one judge the others for their looks
If anything, her sin is to be superficial. The actual racist moment could be the "you called me a mule" one.

>>42256535
She also explicitly said she disliked dragons, in Spike's face.

>>42256545
When was that?

>>42256555
NTA, but I think they're referring to the NMM timeline in the Cutie Remark, which if that is the case, is hardly fair on Rarity

>>42256555
>Rarity: B-B-But the Dragon Lands are full of... dragons! And they're ghastly creatures! Oh, oh, not you, of course, Spikey-wikey. But remember that rotten Garble?

>>42256584
Tbf she is completely correct. Dragons are a despicable race which are only tolerable when thoroughly indoctrinated into pony society. That much is shown by Dragon Quest

>>42256535
>your skin is just dreadful
>No, I just meant you can only wear pink without being fugly, darling.
>look, there's no need to get political

>>42256883
>I'm sure you come from a very fine swamp, and you're very good with a spear.
>Assuming? I'm not assuming anything darling, that's just how you people are - the royal you.

>>42256861
Doesn't change the fact she's raycis.

>>42256861
The same can be said of you know who.

>>42256356
>>42256514
>>42256545
wtf I love Rarity now

>>42256909
nothing wrong with that

>>42256514
Rarity acting superficial and dehumanizing (deponizing) to others is funny in contrast to her living in Ponyville a bumpkin town and faking an accent to larp with rich sociopaths who even Celestia doesn't care for.

>>42257687
>faking an accent to larp with rich sociopaths who even Celestia doesn't care for
It's kind of weird how often the show ended up showing how shit the nobility if Canterlot were, to the point that Rarity herself a lot of the time doesn't seem entirely on board with them, yet this never leads her to reconsidering her life goal or anything. You'd think it would've been a great avenue of development for her, seeing that the nobility is actually shit and realizing she wants nothing to do with them. But instead she sees how shit they are, and still decides "yep, this is exactly what I want to be a part of".

>>42247004
>>42247453
Faust and her team actually were responsible for the initial writeup of ACW. Faust left primarily due to too much pressure being put on her, and ACW got put into other hands where it then morphed into the one we got. Faust didn't even know they'd made Cadance an alicorn until the episode released. That had nothing to do with her decision to leave.

>>42257744
I wonder what other changes were made. Do you think the rest of the mane 6 were more useful in the initial draft? They ended up pretty side lined in the end product.

>>42257721
It always bugged me that the writers just kept making Rarity's business more and more successful and they never addressed the "Wants to move to Canterlot" part of her character

>>42257838
Well you see anon, addressing the fact that Rarity and Rainbow Dash's goals involved things that would necessitate them moving away from their friends and no longer being part of the main cast would mean facing permanent and significant changes to the show's status quo, which we simply cannot have. Didn't you enjoy seeing the characters easily achieve their goals with zero failures along the way and somehow still be capable of lounging around Ponyville all the time? What's the point in Rarity being successful if she isn't in every other episode to remind us of it?

>>42257838
"indie writers, pleasu understandu" - Shigeru Miyamoto

>>42256514
UMM BASED RARITY

>>42257856
>would mean facing permanent and significant changes to the show's status quo
Which would have been great since the show was famous for being a deconstruction of the stereotypical cartoon for girls

>>42257838
Ideally her business shouldnt have opened past Ponyville. Richies should have to come to her or receive mail orders. She should have also made it a goal to mostly cater to the peoples close to her like her friends and the modest fashion choices of Ponyville. Instead she just opened 1 million sweatshops arounf the world and became even more vapid.

>>42256276
If wanting to have good sex with a fine mare makes me a whore then I'm Ponyville's public use

>>42258557
yes we know nobody likes you, what else is new faggot.

>>42258557
>implying anypony would want to use you in the first place

>>42258588
>>42258759

>>42258799
its the utter truth.

Rarity has a smelly butt.

>>42259939
trvthnvke

>>42255703
based

>>42255703
Strange that I can't find this picture on the boorus.

For me, it's Princess Bluebelle.

>>42260958
3501256 on derpibooru

>>42260968
Thanks, guess I overlooked it because it's a crop.

>>42260964
Ironically, this would have actually worked

>>42260986
If switching the genders makes it good
it was good

>>42260964
same for me, unf

>>42261001
That's not how it works.

>>42250266
very true

>>42247868
>I dont care about the show
That's all you had to say, Anon.

>>42249669
Why???

>>42260964
I want to be a coquettish noblemare and have a prettyboy stallion try to woo me while being annoyed at how demanding I am.

>>42260964
That's a good design.

>>42262229
That will never happen, nonny.

>>42262976
No shit. I can still fantasize.

>>42263187
Everypony is hoping that they could go to Equestria one day, but it's 2025 and nothing has happened.

>>42255703

>>42263585
I'm still alive. I'll go there when I die and finally meet my waifu. If there's no afterlife and she isn't real then my life never mattered anyway.

>>42264267
We'll see then.

>>42246528 (OP)
>heal Discord
Discord is literally that Steven Universe Diamonds scenario
>antagonists do bad things
>come into contact with someone they care about
>be good, but only for that someone
Discords still acts like a dick too. But I guess it's better than warping reality.

>>42260964
This but with original Rarity.

>>42264372
It's pretty fucked up that the entire rationale for freeing and redeeming Discord was "he could be useful to us". Like if he wasn't potentially useful, they would have no problem just leaving him petrified forever. They didn't redeem him because they genuinely felt he deserved a second chance to turn his life around and do good, they did it because he was useful to them. It really makes the finale look worse too.

>>42264408
The hardest truth for anyone to accept in this fandom is most ponies are sociopaths.

>>42264416
That is what makes them perfect.

>>42264372
Discord is literally chaos, no way to heal him. Just temporary subdue with Fluttershy.

>>42247868
so ass

>>42264005
Is Rarity ok?

>>42246528 (OP)
You can't cure homosexuality

>>42246552
>what makes rarity any different to any other gold digger mare
Rarity was stupid enough to believe that he was going to be be a great catch because he had money, gold diggers understand that you get with the guy because he has money not because of his personality

>>42264993
Prince Blueblood is straight, Rarity was being a harlot.

Remember when she played on Spike's feelings to jew him out of something precious and then gaslit him into thinking that it was given freely? Obviously, this wasn't wrong of her, because it's Spike, but still.

>>42265012
>taking candy from a baby

>>42265001
>Rarifags think if someone doesn't want to fuck their thot they're gay
I guess they think Spike is high test then.

>>42264993
>be a stallion prince
>some country bumpkin with a fake accent wants your attention
>"okay whatever, maybe she can prove entertaining"
>she then proceeds to give you a headache as she desperately goes out of her way to try and train you as her simp
>"yeah nah I'm good"
He probably woke up covered in mares and will end the night covered in mares. She had a chance to break his routine but she blew it.

>>42265205
>She had a chance to break his routine but she blew it.
Not defending Rarity's behavior here, but what should she have done to win him over?

>>42265243
Potentially nothing would have won him over. It wouldn't have been easy. But the way she went about it was about the best way she could have decreased her chances.
The seductress approach would have been better, but I think that would still fail since he's probably used to that. Her approach was unorthodox but it wasn't the right play. Maybe another unorthodox strategy could work. Something that would really peak his interest. Something that sets her aside from the normal mares he keeps company with. I don't know what that would be.
Maybe another anon can crack the code.

>>42265254
I don't think she had any strategy whatsoever. She just imagined that he'd fall for her automatically, since the whole idea was based on a fantasy. She was probably too busy dreaming about what her aristocratic foals would look like to consider the possibility that it wouldn't work. It's the same thing that'd happen if (you) walked up to your waifu after spending this long dreaming up the relationship you'd have with her.

>>42265268
>Hurts just a little bit

>>42265268
She definitely did not have a strategy, she was following her desires

>>42265280
This, she came in expecting it to be some fairy tale where the prince in shining armor (not the pony) would lift her up from her hooves when reality just struck her back her to the truth that life ain't that easy.

>>42265198
I dont think rarafags like spike either, they're very much "if you dont rara ur gay but if u like spike ur gay" sort of autism

>>42264943
Yeah, she just needs to get used to being upside down.

>>42265568
I'm a Rarichad and I like Spikey Wikey but he's not made for her. Just wish she were nicer to him

>>42265622
What do you think about Prince Blueblood?

>>42264408
>It really makes the finale look worse too.
Don't remind me. The fact Discord thought it would be funny to turn them to stone, then Celestia and Luna agrees are kinda fucked. I thought they moved past draconian measures (which are cool but feel opposed to the friendship message)
>Celetia banishing Luna to the moon
>Starswirl sending the sirens to another dimension which was the human realm
>Starswirl and friends sealing the pony of shadow away in limbo along with himself and friends
>sending King Sombra to the bottom of an abyss and sealing him with a glacier

Is there no pony prison (besides Tartarus but that's for big threats)? I can understand someone maybe like Tirek, but I could imagine Tirek and Discord hanging out and Discord trying to make him see the pony way. Golly is fucked but we don't see her backstory so prison or reform is fine. Chrysalis did try to take over Equestria, but I did think she couldve joined Starlight in learning about friendship. Also the movie did turn the Storm King to stone then he fell and broke into pieces, so he's dead. I would've accepted exile as the child friendly punishment.

>>42265268
>It's the same thing that'd happen if (you) walked up to your waifu after spending this long dreaming up the relationship you'd have with her.
To be fair, I think most Anons actually have thought up how they would get closer to their waifu, rather than expecting that it would be an instant connection with no effort on their part.

>>42265940
I assume pony prison is maybe for more normal crimes and normal creatures. Stealing, assault, I'm going to assume murder, otherwise that one is probably banishment or petrification. But presumably, petrification and sealing are the big punishments for really dangerous individuals, the type of people who probably can't be very easily contained in a normal prison. I doubt the likes of Discord or Tirek could be kept in a regular jail cell.

>>42256861
I think people can't separate not liking or gelling with another group vs wanting their utter elimination. Ponies don't hate dragons for being dragons, they hate their dragon behavior which is very different from their pony behavior. That's why Spike is more like because he is more pony-like.
Also, this isn't groups of the same species. These are different species. Basically fantasy rwces like dwarves, elves, etc.
The many times I heard people say it's wrong to say the ponies are bad for pointing out the incompatibility of ponies and other groups (but the episode usually tries to resolve the issue).
These are different species with different cultures.
>Dragons are tough, love greed and hoarding, eat gems, and love displays of strength, focus on selfishness rather than selflessness
>Yaks are simple, prideful, stubborn, love smashing, and are very nationalistic
>changlings are weird bugs, alien looking, require love for sustenance, and can disguise
>griffons are strong, stubborn, prideful, selfish rather than selfless
Hippogriffs are basically ponies that can fly and breathe underwater (maybe it's because they are part pony?).
Evidence is:
>CMC can get along with hippogriffs easily
>yaks are very particular with their ponyville welcome and pinkie pie has to help
>dragons like to hoard, even Spike, and can magically grow large if too greedy
>Hilda, Galus, that Uncle griffon are grumpy with the exception of Gabby
>all changlings are weird because they are bug creatures that only knew Chrsalis's rule and Thorax is also new to friendship
Ponyville could have the diversity of NYC but with creatures, but perhaps Manehattan will still be exclusively Pony.

>>42265876
I'm the OP, so I think he was a mean and deserves to be generous'd. The stallion of her dreams deserves a second chance just like Discord had

>>42256535
Are mules an abomination? Crossbreeding mixed with the fact the mule can't have children.

>>42246528 (OP)
what is generosity to someone convinced he deserves everything

>>42265979
Eh, Tirek could at least return to Tartarus.

>>42266010
You dont deserve anything either.

>>42266013
Nah just erase him from existence, would fix everything.

>>42246528 (OP)
The nuwriters weren't required to watch the show, therefore they weren't aware of Blueblood's existence.

>>42266115
How come "watch the previous seasons" or something like that isn't a requirement for new writers in any show?

>>42266140
Incompetence and a lack of care by executives. This is one of the main factors in why shows decline heavily after their first batch of seasons.

>>42266140 see >>42246802 is what the nuwriters got. Hasbro execs are just lazy and so are the nuwriters.

>>42265622
You're pretty atypical for a Rarafag. Most of them absolutely seethe at the sight of Spike.

>>42266149
Maybe he reminds them a little too much of themselves.

>>42266257
That's what happens to the Rarafags that seethe at him.

They know she would treat them the same, and no amount of chivalry is going to make up for their lack of chiseled jaw and hunter eyes.

>>42266263
Wouldn't all humans have hunter eyes from the perspective of ponies?

>>42266311
You're brown so you'd have buck broken eyes.

>>42266311
Touché.

>>42246528 (OP)
Why couldn't women heal OP through straightness?

>>42267561
Woman pussy won't make anyone straight

>>42267951
Sounds like a skill issue then.

>>42268379
Mare pussy would do though.

>>42268576
Why doesn't Rarity just kidnap Prince Blueblood from the Canterlot Castle and rape him? Is Rarity stupid? I'm sure Princess Celestia would approve of it.

>>42246802
>only three episodes per character needed to be watch
Hasbro...

>>42269115
I think it's best to watch all the episodes, or at least the last season to be produced before starting work on a project to better understand the setting, the tone, the humor the series works with, and the nature of its characters. Using only three episodes as a reference can lead to flanderization. Plus come on, you're paid to watch and write for cartoons, is it too much to ask for?

>>42266140
I do think it's laziness but also if a writer comes in late there is a lot to watch.
I hate to make the workplace even more boring, but maybe a test/questionnaire that you can only write for a show if you score above a certain amount.

>>42269209
>I do think it's laziness
It is. Larson and one of the female writers on the team (forgot which one) could do it, so the rest can do it too.

>>42269819
That female writer? Albert Einstein.

>>42269912
Albert would be dead a long time ago before MLP:FIM, anon...

>>42269139
>is it too much to ask for?
To Hasbro, yes.

>>42271173
Hasbro can't be that incompetent

>>42246528 (OP)
Can you fix selfishness with generosity?

>>42246528 (OP)
He wasn't buying what she was selling, if you catch my drift.

>>42271615
How was Prince Blueblood selfish? Rarity was expecting him to bend over for her.

>>42271632
NTA but I just rewatched the episode (damn Rarity was thirsty before she met him) but asides from being a bit snobbish, he just wanted Rarity to do what Rarity expected him to do. So besides using her as a shield for the cake, he literally didn't do anything wrong.

>>42271665
>>42271632
>>42271615
This is something I've noticed all throughout the show, actually. There's quite a few occasions where character X is a selfish jerk for doing Y, but a member of the mane 6 doing the same thing is fine/not a problem. It's mostly with Rarity and Rainbow Dash that the double standard seems to exist. Like, Suri Polomare is treated like a two timing bitch for taking advantage of Rarity, but Rarity herself is known for using her looks to manipulate others into doing what she wants all the time, except everyone loves it when she does it. Blueblood was expecting Rarity to act for him the exact same way she expected him to act for her, but only Blueblood gets widely considered to be a self centered prick for it.

>>42271615
sounds like someone didn't watch the s1 finale

>>42253569
basically what this anon said

>>42272182
Dashfags are even more retarded that when she actually gets a taste of her own medicine (Mysterious Mare Do-Well) they bash her friends instead of addressing the fact she was being a cunt (as usual).

Pic related. Implying Dash would ever listen to anyone not sucking off her dick.

>>42272182
The difference with Polomare is that she said she was using the fabric for accents, but that was a lie and she used it for her entire line. Rarity does use her looks to get what she wants but other stallions are free to do Rarity's bidding or not. She doesn't lie and say she'll give them a date or kiss, she just flutters her eyes and makes a request. You could say manipulative, but you can't equate it to Polomare. However, as much as I like Rarity and said her using her looks to get what she wants is no problem, the, one time you could say is poorly portrayed is Dragon Dropped, where Rarity is actually underhandingly getting Spike to hang out with her. She isn't using her looks, but using gifts and activities to lure Spike away because she missed "hanging out" with Spike. The things she misses "doing" with Spike essentially boils down Spike helping rarity most of the time. Spike is a free dragon so he can decide not to help and he clearly likes to because he likes Rarity, but he really is just holding baskets for her. She only takes an interest in Spike's interests, like Ogres and Oubliettes, when she thinks she losing him to Gabby. That said, it is portrayed as wrong and Rarity is called out on it.
>>42272794
I think you're right in RD not listening, but the comic is saying that communication is better than making up a fake hero. But I do notice, in RD-centric episodes she usually only learns her lesson when the problem goes above the boiling point. Very different from Rarity who learns her lesson when things reaches the boiling point, but learns her lesson before it goes above that point.
All of FIM's friendship problems really seem to boil down to lack of communication.

>>42273012
>All of FIM's friendship problems really seem to boil down to lack of communication.
Funny, since Swarm of the Century was a ll about that, but the episode for some reason blames Twilight and the rest for not listening to Pinkie, even though early on in the episode Twilight point blank asked Pinkie what a parasprite was, and she just went off to find a trombone rather than explain the situation. Ultimately, Pinkie was the one who refused to explain even when asked, but the episode just decided to put the blame on the rest of them because... Pinkie can do no wrong I guess.
>>42272794
Dashfags are absolutely the worst about it. All the hatred for 28PL I've seen is basically just Dashfags butthurt about the others scaring Dash with a prank, while simultaneously asserting that there was nothing wrong with Dashies pranks. Basically, Dash can pull any prank she wants no matter if it's physically dangerous or scary, but don't you dare prank my poor little Dashie back and show her what it feels like, even after she expressly stated that she was 100% totally on board with pranks! She's insecure don't you know!
As for Mare do Well, yea, Dashfags have built this narrative that the others were "upstaging and publicly humiliating" her, meanwhile all they did was save ponies' lives and then leave immediately after. There was literally no reason for RD to be so upset about Mare do Well, other than she just can't handle sharing the spotlight. Funny enough, Mare do Well is pretty much a repeat of Fall Weather Friends in that way. Dash is overly competitive and can't handle 'losing' to someone and not being the center of attention, so she starts cheating and resorting to underhanded tactics to get her way. Everyone gave her a pass for this behavior in Fall Weather Friends, and AJ is forced to share the blame because -- fuck admitting Dash is the one causing problems I guess, and as a result, she just repeats the same thing in Mare do Well. And once again, the fanbase blames everyone except Dash, because she apparently deserves a monopoly on saving people, and anyone else doing it is just a jealous poser trying to one up her.
I really hate Dashfags. They're worse than Dash herself.

>>42273390
They really only like her because they want to fuck her, and condone any and all of her shitty behavior because of it. Simps to the bone.

>>42273424
It's simultaneously irritating and amusing how much they seem to project Dash's flaws onto the other characters and refuse to admit her fault at anything. They accuse the mane 6 of being jealous bitches who can't stand to see Dash receiving praise, nevermind the fact that they themselves were in the crowds cheering for her in the first part of the episode, meanwhile Fall Weather Friends and Mare do Well both are all about how jealous Dash is of anyone beating her in anything. It's not Dashies fault she blew up a weather factory because she can't stand her pet hibernating, it's her friends fault for not being more sensitive to her feelings and doing something to make Dash not act like a retard. It's not Dash's fault she instigated the conflict with Trixie by heckling her, it's actually Applejack's fault because she was glaring at Dashie for doing the exact thing they were all annoyed at Trixie for doing, therefore AJ coerced her into heckling.
After reading tons of posts on desu anons have made over the years, I've come to the conclusion that the majority of Dashfags base their entire perception of her personality on exactly 4 episodes. Sleepless in Ponyville, Sonic Rainboom, Hurricane Fluttershy, and Wonderbolt Academy. They basically cherry pick the handful of episodes where she isn't completely awful as a character, call that the "real" Rainbow Dash, and every other episode is just a result of shitty writers who didn't know what they were doing. I've seen a lot of people say that Dash was "difficult to write for" and that's why so many of her episodes sucked and were "ooc". But the real truth is that she was just shit as a character. RD isn't difficult to write for, it's just that when you *actually* write her in character, she's an unlikable cunt, because her canon personality is that she's a self centered cunt that almost always only thinks of herself and never learns her lessons or grows as a person.
She's also a raging mary sue, but most people don't really understand mary sues well enough to have productive conversation about that.

>>42264943
no

>>42265012
generosity is when ponies simp for rarity

>>42255703
I see. Ok. Cool.

>>42271615
are derpy fans this retarded?

>>42273523
>it's just that when you *actually* write her in character, she's an unlikable cunt, because her canon personality is that she's a self centered cunt that almost always only thinks of herself and never learns her lessons or grows as a person.
This applies to Trixie as well, most of what you said can apply to her too.

>>42275973
*and her fans
look at the trixie threads these past months, no matter how hard you drill it in their heads, they just refuse to see trixie for what she really is and try to justify her bullshit.

>>42275991
>>42275973
Eh, I don't really notice the Trixiefags that much since they're a lot less numerous than Dashfags are. As for Trixie herself, yea she's a bitch too, buy ironically I find her more tolerable since the show actually calls her out for her bitchiness way more often than it does Dash. Even so though, yea she's still far from my favorite. I just really don't see the appeal behind bitchy characters. Some people seem to love them, Strawberry Sunrise has a lot of fans too, and I just don't understand it.
The waifufags of these characters are basically abused girlfriends. They get beaten by their ex-con boyfriend on a daily basis, and rather than leave, they think up every excuse in the book to justify how they really aren't that bad. Maybe Freud was right and all these Anons just had bitchy mothers that nagged them a lot.

>>42276088
i fucking hate being a trixie fan man >>42273705

>>42276088
>I just really don't see the appeal behind bitchy characters.
They exist because bitchy people exist in real life. They're not supposed to be "appealing" just representative.

>The waifufags of these characters are basically abused girlfriends.
Weird projection

>>42276124
>They're not supposed to be "appealing" just representative.
well this clearly isn't entirely true since rainbow dash is literally one of the main characters, she's meant to be appealing.

>>42276088
>I find her more tolerable since the show actually calls her out for her bitchiness way more often than it does Dash.
This. Trixie is reprimanded for her bad behavior by the show. When it's Dash, it's glorified.

>>42276102
Jesus Christ trannies are insufferable.
>Self centered, arrogant, selfish.
>Perfect trans representation!
These people are never beating the allegations of being the worst creatures alive. Every day they prove why the 40% statistic is a good thing. You have my sympathy now, good Lord.

>>42276102
At least some people there have functioning braincells, not many, but like 3. Some Trixie fans are starting to wake up.

>>42276165
>Some Trixie fans are starting to wake up.
Why so difficult for people to admit they like an asshole character to the point where they justify their bad actions and make them pass as good or "not intentionally mean" lol

>>42276165
>Sure, she's a good part of the cast in general
Is she though? Because I'm really not seeing anything that makes her good. If we have to go out of our way to ignore 90% of a character and their actions, then what really makes them 'work well' as part of the cast? If she was a reacurring villain like Diamond Tiara she would work well, but as one of the main heroes? She doesn't work well at all.

talking about Trixie, for some reason some people pair Prince Blueblood with Trixie which I presume people do that because "both have big ego".

>>42276334
Both are insufferable nothing-burger characters, made for each other if you ask me.

>>42276419
Both are "nothing burger" because the writers couldn't be assed to expand their characters.

>>42276478
I feel bad for the poster in >>42276165 who used to like Trixie because he thought she was an actually interesting character and not an utter cunt, this fandom has gaslit each other for 14 years into thinking characters like Trixie were "misunderstood" or actually really good people when they were literally just written to be unlikable twats.

>>42276494
Literally the exact same thing happened to me. Before watching the show, Rainbow Dash was my favorite character, based entirely on how I saw her talked about and presented by the fandom. She's a super loyal and playful tomboy? Absolutely ideal woman material. Then I actually watched the show, and every episode was just her being a self centered cunt. I kept watching thinking she got better, but no. Every episode I watched caused my opinion of her to just drop more and more. By the time I quit watching the show at the tail end of season 5 to avoid the really bad seasons, I was just left wondering who could possibly watch this and consider her anything other than absolutely insufferable. I feel like I watched some bizzaro alternate universe version of FIM where her character was 10x worse than the one every one else saw. Part of the reason I have such a hate boner for Dash is because of how much I actually liked her before finding out the shitty truth. If I'd never watched the show, I'd probably still be saying she's the best pony, and I do not understand how anyone else who actually watched the show can find her anything other than awful. I feel so cheated.

>>42276541
You can still like her anon, it's not like she doesn't have any good traits at all. Plus, again, bad people exist in real life too.

>>42276576
>You can still like her anon
But I can't, I find her personality completely insufferable and hate whenever she's around.
>it's not like she doesn't have any good traits at all.
I legitimately don't think she does. I find nothing redeeming about her.
>bad people exist in real life too.
And? I don't hang out with those people because I find them unpleasant to be around. Just because insufferable cunts exist in real life doesn't make her personality any easier to stand, she's still an insufferable cunt.

>>42248592
he does that a lot, its pretty funny

>>42276334
best pair

>>42277018
Adorable!

>>42275945
When are they not?

>>42276705
Would you use the animals as a shield if you were attacked, Anon?

>>42277018
The great and powerful Princess Trixie? Sounds better than Twilight.

>>42276141
Trannies are incredibly over-represented with Cluster B personality disorders. These include narcissism, so at least they are somewhat self-aware.
>>42276494
>literally just written to be unlikable twats.
I find Trixie likeable despite her cuntish behavior, her boasting comes off as somewhat endearing to me. Her friendship with Starlight is good too. In the episode where Starlight bottles her anger she comes off as more clueless than malicious, and even offered her nuts to that one shopkeeper.
She is a different kind of cunt to Rainbow. And she hasn't brainwashed her friends or sold their property without permission like GlimGlam.
But yeah, the only hint of her being actually "misunderstood" was seen in the Forgotten Friendship special and that was >EQG and it didn't even say she didn't mean to be an egotistical bitch, only that she is sad that people don't see her as great and powerful as she wants them to be.

>>42246560
Why did you post a selfie of yourself?

>>42278454
>She is a different kind of cunt to Rainbow.
A cunt is still a cunt, and I don't like cunts. Equestria Girls Trixie isn't even Trixie, so that doesn't count. Trixie's the biggest example of wasted potential, a egotistical character that turns out to not actually think highly of herself but really just wants to be loved would've worked PERFECTLY for a show like FIM. Too bad that bridge was burnt a long time ago, what a dogshit character.

>>42278811
>>42278811
>A cunt is still a cunt, and I don't like cunts.
Fair.
>Equestria Girls Trixie isn't even Trixie, so that doesn't count.
Cope.

>>42278861
>Cope.
...Are you retarded?

>>42246802
>Characters worth revisiting
>Most only make cameos instead of being revisited

>>42278454
>She is a different kind of cunt to Rainbow.
How do you mean?

>>42278875
I hated how Hasbro kept forcing the m6 down our throats, they should've let Haber cook with all the various secondary characters.

>>42246802
>Suited for Success or Rarity Takes Manehattan! aren't reference eps for Rarity
>Every Little Thing She Does is a reference ep for Starlight Glimmer
Wow this explains a lot.
>>42279010
Outside of the Alicorn Amulet incident, Trixie's cuntish behavior is limited to showboating, talking herself up and fishing for praise. Boast Busters had the most of her belittling others and that was just humiliating the mane 6 for heckling her. Rainbow's cuntish behavior extends to anything that can be construed as a competition. Not to mention the downright criminal acts she has engaged in at times, such as when she stole a book from the hospital and when she damaged the weather factory. I won't mention the zombie episode because frankly that was handled poorly on all sides and Rainbow suddenly being fine pranking Fluttershy in such a mean way despite agreeing on season 1 that she was off-limits feels like one of the most egregious examples of later-seasons flanderization.

It just feels like a different kind of handling would be required to hang out with each of them. Being Trixie's friend is easy, hell even Starlight "I sold your house without asking" Glimmer could do it. Just praise her and play along with her act. With Rainbow you'd have to do that AND walk on eggshells, trying to not overshadow or make her feel humiliated or beaten. God help you if she decides to goad you into a competition you have a good chance of winning. Better hope you're immune to lightning too.

>>42279157
>suddenly being fine pranking Fluttershy in such a mean way despite agreeing on season 1 that she was off-limits feels like one of the most egregious examples of later-seasons flanderization.
To be fair, she also scared Fluttershy in the second episode of the series when they went into the Everfree. Combine that with her attitude in Dragonshy, and RD was never really sensitive to Flutters feelings ever, even in season 1.
But yea, I see what you're saying now in their differences. I think the biggest problem for Dash is that the show never goes all the way in calling her out for her aggressive and over competitive behavior. The closest we get is Fall Weather Friends and Non-Compete Clause, and in those episodes, the show just ignores Dash instigating and starting the entire ordeal, and treats Applejack as "equally in the wrong" for retaliating against Dash's behavior. The whole 'you shouldn't put competition over friendship' moral kinda falls flat when Dash is the one who made the decision that winning is more important than her friendship with AJ, and AJ is only responding in kind after having their friendship effectively thrown in her face. In both these episodes, it's Dash being *the* problem with her attitude and behavior, but AJ gets held as equally responsible for Dash's fuck-ups. Not once does anyone ever tell Dash "Hey, put your ego aside for once and stop turning everything into a competition that you HAVE to win".
On a related note to that, something that gets a good laugh out of me is in that song Flawless, Dash has the line of "My confidence gives me the courage to fail." Meanwhile in reality, Dash fucking HATES failing and is literally the most failure averse of the group, and we have multiple episodes about how bitchy she gets if she loses something. She doesn't have the courage to fail at all, lol. She's the worst type of person to compete with.

>>42279028
>dude I hate the main protagonists
fuck off

>>42279157
>Being Trixie's friend is easy, hell even Starlight "I sold your house without asking" Glimmer could do it. Just praise her and play along with her act.
Not only that, she's also pretty submissive when she's in the wrong.

Nice amount of Dash realism in this thread for a change.

>>42279157
>With Rainbow you'd have to do that AND walk on eggshells, trying to not overshadow or make her feel humiliated or beaten. God help you if she decides to goad you into a competition you have a good chance of winning. Better hope you're immune to lightning too.
Or, you could just overshadow and humiliate her so much that you break her into submission. That works too.

>>42278875
The nuwriters were really that lazy.

Dash is the only character I like to see rape art of. The sex scene in BFED was magnificent.

Um guys, this thread is supposed to be about rarity...

>>42279848
nopony is safe

>>42279028
They should have cut the student 6 and school of friendship trash and actually revisited characters. There was by no means a lack of ponies they could spend time on.

>>42279848
You cant escape, Rainbow Dash.

>>42279723
>Dashie is only tolerable if you mindbreak her into a different person
Care Mare is my pick.

>>42279848
True thing, darling. And it turned to ego and narcissism because those are traits that Rarity seem to have.

But as I said here >>42254246 she earned the right to act like that due to the effort she puts on it. And anyway she still has some modesty and is a pony you can easily talk to.

Trixie is a boaster but she lacks of the power she claims to have so she's more like a joke. You can either ignore her or play along.

Rainbow Dash is the worst offender because she is a great athlete but it's also arrogant and always talking about how "cool" she is.

>>42279848
Yea, but we've already talked about Rarity pretty extensively. Unless you've got something else about her you'd like to bring up.

>>42280003
>earned the right to act like that
Rarifag delusions

I think of this whenever I see fags letting themselves get mad at Rarity. She's the top bitch of the m6 and it's not even close.

>>42280152
What would they be jealous about? lmao

>>42280162
Her whiteness

>>42280152
>calling rarity a bitch
not nice

>>42280171
Please don't cry :( I didn't mean that kind of bitch

>>42280152
This seriously just reads like Rarifag psyops. Why is it that Dash and Rarity fags' go to defense is 'you're just a loser who was bullied in highschool'? Do they really not have anything better than that?

>>42246777 (checked)
>assuming his genuine self is actually a good pony, unlike what we see in that episode
Weren't ALL the characters not quite themselves during the gala?

>>42248982
>>42248996
I have to agree. The premise falls apart with just the slightest of critical analysis, which is pretty much s1 in a nutshell. Like Winter Wrap Up, the song's set piece is the best part, Ingram is simply a god.

>>42280700
Do you think Princess Celestia puts something in the water to make everyone who goes to the Gala retarded to eliminate any political dissident?

>>42280711
Why would she have to?

>>42280711
Knowing her chaotic nature, she does it to forster dissent, nurture kerfuffle and most importantly, stir shit.

>>42249017
No, it is a fair criticism. You don't need to live in a rich area or even be rich to know what to expect and I'm just a working class individual. You'd have to be sheltered from society to be that ignorant.

>>42280727
We have internet and easy access to video and research. Ponies do not, especially ones living in a rural farming town.

>>42280623
>Dash
Who?

We've already stated some of Rarity's virtues anon. It's ok if you don't like her but also a shame because she would actually like you.

>>42280747
>zoomer thinks we were that retarded when media like books and newspapers existed
You made me feel old, fuck.

>>42280781
I never said humans were retarded old man, lol. I was just pointing out that research is significantly easier to do these days than it used to be. It's very easy to learn Victorian era upper class etiquette these days as a working class schmo, but back in the 18 hundreds, some random kid in a farming village would have an, at best, probably very inaccurate picture image in his head of what a high class party looked like, especially if he's never even been to the city.

Bumping for more discussion

>>42281204
If you want more discussion, why not throw your thoughts into the ring? What do you think of what's been said about Dash's character here, what are your problems you have and how do you think they could be remedied?

>>42281211
No thanks, I'm going to bed.

>>42280623
Posting quality has been plummeting for eons now. Thats why.

>>42281242
Except I've seen posts in the archive that use that defense dating back to the old days. It's far from new.

My only problem with Dashie is her ability to do sonic rainbooms so easily, especially as an untrained filly. Rarity and Twilight similarly start out as masters, the show really wasn't built to continue past s1 which put future writers in an awkward position.

But anyway regarding her personality which many people seem to have a problem with... why is /mlp/ a bunch of snowflakes? Why do you all freak out whenever anypony does something bad? It's a goddamn CARTOON, it's funny as hell when ponies act like assholes or cause problems. You guys would hate classics like bugs bunny and daffy duck.

>>42281260
Because it's a matter of consistency. You can't have an episodes like Griffon the Brush Off where the moral is "don't be friends with people who act like this" and then turn around and have someone like Dash act the exact same way but not be called out on it and everyone else just tolerating it. Like I said before, if we're supposed to dislike character X for doing Y, then I'm also going to dislike Dash for doing X. I'm not going to hold double standards just for her. The problem isn't just pony does something bad, the problem is pony does something bad and is never called out on it and never grows as a character. FIM isn't a strictly comedic cartoon like Loony Tunes is, so it's not the same situation. You can't tell me Dash is actually a really deep and complex character who subtly grows and matures as the show goes on, only to turn around and say 'ah who cares if she's a cunt? She's always been like that and it's funny lol'. Also, comedy is subjective and I don't really find most of Dash's antic funny. I don't like cringe humor either, I just can't get into it.
As for your first point about the sonic rainboom, that's actually one of the reasons I called her a raging mary sue in an earlier post. I actually already went in depth on why I feel like her and Rarity's development were gimped in a different thread a few days ago, so I'll just link that so you can read it and the replies to get my take on them.
https://desuarchive.org/mlp/thread/42261770/#42262338
So yea, I'm definitely in agreement with you that it was a bad idea to start RD and Rarity out already at their peaks. It completely shot any possible development they could have in the foot.

>>42281321
>if we're supposed to dislike character X for doing Y
Are we though? I liked Gilda and disliked Pinkie getting in her way. I'm immune to the writers telling me how I'm supposed to feel I guess. I can understand where you're coming from for consistency's sake, but the tone of the show isn't serious enough for me to care about that even if it's not strictly a comedic cartoon. FiM gives me western sitcom vibes like Simpsons where the day resets after every episode so the standards by which I judge FiM is very relaxed, it wouldn't be fair to judge it by let's say Death Note standards where continuity is critical. I feel some of you may be putting FiM on a higher pedestal than it's supposed be. Or maybe I'm underselling it. The impression I get from the show is a light hearted comedy cartoon that doesn't take itself too seriously, but when it does it hits hard just from the contrast. The show got me to tear up so many times because it knows when to sneak in those serious moments. I think I rambled away on a tangent, uhhh double-standards, yeah that's a problem I agree.
> 'ah who cares if she's a cunt? She's always been like that and it's funny lol'
There are certain character traits that I believe should stay somewhat permanent to a character, Dashie being a cocky cunt is what makes her her, if she loses that she won't be the Dashie I love anymore. Same thing with Fluttershy, her shyness is her defining character trait which is why I don't get the complaints over her never getting over her shyness. Then the opposite criticism happens when Twilight loses her snark, but it makes sense there narratively because she's now a princess with responsibilities and an image to project to her people. Her defining trait is her autism anyway, maybe twifags will disagree though. That said... if Dashie's arc involved encountering someone better and cooler than her, like a proper rival for her to try to surpass, that would actually be a good way to humble her personality so she loses her cuntiness. I can admire that and easily grow to love the new Dashie like I did Twilight. Would've been fun if Dust was used for that purpose instead of a mere reflection of her, but Dashie already being at the peak cucked that possible development like you said.

I'll give that thread a read, thanks.

>>42281260
is dashie waiting for scootaloo to arrive?

>>42281321
>ah who cares if she's a cunt? She's always been like that and it's funny lol
Kek this is EXACTLY their argument

>>42281321
I don't think Dashie was ever malicious like Gilda, she's just a fun-loving mare who gets too caught up in her own world sometimes. Though she is overly competitive, which might be asking too much testosterone from the marehaters

>>42281783
it is funny tho maybe barney is more your speed lol

>>42281871
>barney
BLEED OUT

>>42281843
She's just a dumbass

>>42281871
Oh hey barneyfag. It's been a while.

>>42280171
Rarity is a bitch. It's the truth.

>>42281843
But what did Gilda do that was malicious? Steal something? Dash did that to. Act like a bitch to people? Dash does it all the time. She's more actively harmful than half the antagonists, and she's competitive to the point of putting other people's lives in danger. Rainbow Dash isn't fun loving, she's a jackass that only cares about winning and her own enjoyment.

Trixie >>>>>>>> Dashie

>>42282356
Bullying pinkie and fluttershy

>>42282422
Dash does it.

>>42281321
You know I understand where you're coming from but you also have to remember something deep down which most people don't want to accept. FIM is a very shallow and inconsistent show. Even if Faust tried to make her own little adventure morals show with horses S1 still suffers from those issues. This isn't like Avatar the Last Airbender or Teen Titans 2003 where characters have the time and are shown to reflect on their personal growth and mistakes. Character X will act selfish and stingy because Character Y ate their cookie, but then Character X will do the same thing but worse as a gag and everyone will laugh and credits will roll.

>>42282446
Gilda bullied pinky for the express purpose of making her fuck off, not as a prank.

>>42282495
And? What's wrong with Gilda wanting one on one time with RD? And how does 'it's just a prank' make it not bullying? So now it doesn't count if the party doing it is doing so for their own entertainment?

>>42282467
The thing is that I don't think it's a problem with the show over all though. Twilight and AJ are fine. Trixie can be bitchy, but as others have said, she's usually called out on it and actually suffers for it. For the most part, the morals were applied fairly consistently, it's really just Rainbow Dash, Rarity, and to a lesser extent Fluttershy that have this problem. Season 1 has these issues, but it's really only Dash in the first season. But then you have to remember, Dash was based on Faust's own childhood favorite pony, Firefly. So it's less a problem with the show's writing as a whole, and more a problem of Faust didn't want her childhood favorite to be in the wrong, so she gave her a shit ton of favoritism in the first season and gave her a free pass to be as antagonistic as she wanted. Then season 2 came, Faust wasn't in charge, and the writers tried to reign in Dash's personality and call her out, and the entire fanbase hated it. To this day Mare do Well is still one of the most controversial episodes, all for the horrible crime of having the audacity to make the mane 6 do anything other than blindly tolerate her attitude.
Ultimately, the real problem was the fanbase which not only wanted, but demanded these double standards for these characters. Even to this day, Dash's characterization is so lackluster that half the things people think about her are just straight headcanons, because she has nothing else going for her other than being a shallow power fantasy.

>>42282523
>What's wrong with Gilda wanting one on one time with RD?
Nothing, really. Gilda was based and justified for wanting to put that pink whore in her place, but that doesn't mean the way she went about it wasn't malicious. Dashie never intentionally set out to hurt someone in the same way which would make it bullying.

>>42282697
Pinkie deserved it. She was so fucking annoying early on.

>>42282697
And for the record I don't like Dashie, I just think it's retarded to put her pranks and Gilda's actions on the same level

>>42282670
Faust really just loves the type of mean spirited humor popularized by shows like Charlie Brown or even some 90's kids cartoons. She wrote a very controversial episode to a show where a bully character gets away with everything.

>>42282707
>>42282697
But what did Glida DO is the thing. Yell at Pinkie? Insult her? I don't see how Gilda insulting Pinkie to her face is any more malicious than Dash insulting Applejack behind her back, or being snide about Fluttershy in Dragonshy. Besides, quite a few of Dash's pranks were shit that would cause physical harm, and as far as I'm concerned, putting people in physical danger for a laugh is way more malicious than telling off someone who's annoying you. I'm not even trying to defend Gilda, she WAS a bitch, but Dash is a bigger bitch.

>>42282708
Early FiM sits in an odd grey area between fable and farce. You're meant to be enjoying seeing the girls learning things and being better, but you're also meant to be laughing at them making bad decisions and tripping over their own character flaws. Personally, I'm happy with both. I don't think you can truly appreciate a given mare without also enjoying their liabilities.

>>42282722
I do appreciate ponies even for their flaws. Problem with Dashie is that she's nothing but a liability. They forgot to write the good part of her personality. The best praise you can give to Rainbow is that she maybe wont leave you to die in order to advantage herself.

>>42282730
I think the good part of Dashie is that she's cute and funny to watch. I find her sheer stupidity endearing.

>>42282708
So she's just shit at writing characters in general then? Guess now we know why half the mane 6 were gimped from the start. Faust is really starting to remind me of Akira Toriyama. Great comedy writer if you're into their style of comedy... kind of shit at anything actually trying to be serious or dramatic.

>>42282733
Still a shit character, her and Trixie. Cute, sure, nothing else besides that.

>>42282720
Intent matters more to me. Gilda was trying to strike fear into Pinkie to cut her out while the things you brought up amount to gossip. That doesn't necessarily make her a bigger bitch than Gilda when you factor that in.

>>42283000
>the things you brought up amount to gossip
She put a brick in someones sandwich. That's a little more extreme than gossip.

>>42282730
>The best praise you can give to Rainbow is that she maybe wont leave you to die in order to advantage herself.
She will, however, most likely abandon you if it means advancing her career. For the element of loyalty she sure has a lot of eps where she struggles with that.

>>42283171
She'll come around in 22 minutes, pls be patient

>>42283017
Horse teeth are fucking dense so Mr. Cake is likely fine. Dash pulls those pranks because she wrongfully thinks everyone likes them which was the point of that episode, it isn't because she gets off on harming others maliciously.
>>42282730
It's a bit of a struggle to think of objectively good traits she shows to others. She usually has her friends' backs when the episode isn't centered around her and wants others to be the most awesome version of themselves (or whatever her version of their best selves would be like, for better or worse). There's also her whole relationship with Scoots.

>>42283017
>She put a brick in someones sandwich. That's a little more extreme than gossip
How in the fuck is this a prank? Thats some Family Guy tier shit.

>>42283535
>>42283555
>Mr. Cake is likely fine.
Except for the fact that his jaw was notably in pain afterward.
>Dash pulls those pranks because she wrongfully thinks everyone likes them which was the point of that episode
Except all these happen after the others already told her to stop with the pranks after the Fluttershy one and that they didn't like them. She also dropped a giant boulder on Big Macs cart which easily could have accidentally tipped by accident and hit him.
>it isn't because she gets off on harming others maliciously.
She's literally doing all this after everyone told her they didn't enjoy it solely because she herself enjoys it. You're literally doing the Dashfag thing of bending over backwards to defend her behavior to make it not malicious.
This would be like me shooting in someones general direction to scare them as a joke, and then defending it by saying since I wasn't actually shooting at them, it shouldn't be considered malicious.
>wants others to be the most awesome version of themselves
Unless best version of themselves upstages her, then she hates it.
>There's also her whole relationship with Scoots.
She's still shit in half their episodes though. Literally all of SIP was her being clueless and totally ignoring Scootaloo's increasingly unstable state, which even Applejack noticed and showed more concern for, and then was just shoehorned in at the last minute of the episode for fanservice. And that's not even getting into episodes like Newbie Dash. Her relationship with Scootaloo is shit.

>>42283555
Brick in food is an old cartoon gag since before you were born.

>>42283594
>Except for the fact that his jaw was notably in pain afterward.
It's a cartoon, damage through minor gags are healed in the next scene.

>>42283618
Okay. Nothing Gilda did was malicious then, and you have no basis to say otherwise.

>>42283621
Yes.

>>42283594
could you blast trixie next thank you

>>42283642
I'm afraid I just don't have enough of a hate boner for Trixie to pull it out of me. She isn't insufferable enough.

>>42283594
Yeah the pranks are still in poor taste, but that sort of inconsideration for others was derived from her hyper competitiveness after Applejack called her out for being lazy and not from any inherit meanness such as Gilda bullying Pinkie to get her to fuck off. Dashie is just a dumbass and gets caught up in her own fun.
>Unless best version of themselves upstages her, then she hates it.
She didn't have a problem with Pinkie and Fluttershy upstaging her and Applejack at buckball. Is that claim just from Dash going too far with her AJ rivalry?
>Her relationship with Scootaloo is shit.
I was considering not including that because I hated the execution too, but I still think it's admirable of Dash's character to attempt being a good role model to reconcile with Scoots even if she sucks at it the same way she sucks at loyalty.

>>42283680
Oh wait I forgot about MMDW for a second. I'm stupid

>>42283680
But how is dismissing your friends' feelings and desires because you have a chip on your shoulder not mean?
>Dashie is just a dumbass and gets caught up in her own fun.
But that doesn't make her actions objectively worse than anything that Gilda did. Continually doing destructive pranks that you've been told people don't like and don't want because your stupid and only care about your own amusement is way more meanspirited that going off on someone who annoyed you.
>attempt being a good role model to reconcile with Scoots even if she sucks at it the same way she sucks at loyalty.
Side note, just something that I find both funny in a dark way and kinda exemplifies why their dynamic feels forced. You know that scene in Flight to The Finish where RD is telling Scootaloo about how it's okay that she can't fly and that there's nothing wrong with it... meanwhile Dash herself is hovering in the air directly in front of her, and she basically refuses to ever just walk anywhere the normal way. It's so darkly funny, like telling someone in a wheel chair it's okay their legs don't work while your just jumping rope directly in front of them.

>>42283719
>But that doesn't make her actions objectively worse than anything that Gilda did.
*Doesn't make her actions not objectively worse.
Oops. I'm stupid too. We're all retards here.

>>42283613
Even by FIM standards that "gag" is maliciously cruel. This isn't Looney Tunes.
>>42283594
>You're literally doing the Dashfag thing of bending over backwards to defend her behavior to make it not malicious
The thing is all waifufags do this. Very few over the boards entire archive are impartial. Dashfags are just the most vocal, Twilight lovers defend her mental breakdowns and snooty arrogance and so on. It was charming when the show was simple but 7 seaons, 2 movies and comic issues of rot the reality is the cartoon horses act like South Park characters more than funny, silly cartoon horses.

>>42283846
I feel like pinkiefags and applefags are decently impartial. Those two are probably the most generally pleasant and easy to get along with of the mane 6, so you don't really have to do so many mental gymnastics to excuse them.

Man I appreciate discussion threads like these.
>>42283846
>This isn't Looney Tunes.
This. Looney Tunes is a slapstick show with little continuity where characters regularly are incredibly violent with each other. Ponies don't act like that. Daffy Duck is also a different character because he's meant to MOCK the concept of cocksure assholes. He is clearly the antagonist if not villain many times unlike Dash.
>The thing is all waifufags do this. Very few over the boards entire archive are impartial. Dashfags are just the most vocal
They also have the shittiest non-antagonist behavior to defend next to Glimmerfags and to a lesser degree Trixiefags. Outside of Lesson Zero I don't recall any outrageous behavior from Twilight. Although she can come off as arrogant at times as a biased Twilightfag oftentimes I see it more as a case of lack of social skills coupled with confidence in her book smarts.
>>42283594
>Except all these happen after the others already told her to stop with the pranks after the Fluttershy one and that they didn't like them.
Remember, this also happens after season 1 where it was agreed with Pinkie that "Fluttershy is too sensitive" and season 5 Scare-Master where Fluttershy made it a point to get all of the mane 5 to understand she wasn't into nightmare night and being scared in general.
>>42283875
Applejack is barely a main character whose main struggles are "works too much", "may be forced to something dishonest", and "may be too honest" who Hasbro executives didn't even consider a member of the mane 6 in later seasons. There's little there to have to defend. She's the opposite of Dash in that. For Pinkiefags I feel that to even be a Pinkiefag you have to be aware of pinkie's flaws or annoying behaviors and think "Yes. I want that." You gotta accept she can be overbearing, pushy, loud, mentally unstable and worst of all obsessed with Yaks. There's no much room for over-flattering interpretations.

>>42284008
I think you're being a little overly dismissive of Applejack. None of the mane 6 had much struggle, several posts ago it was discussed how Rarity and Rainbow Dash had zero setbacks ore failures in the pursuit of their goals. They started at the peaks of their careers, and got what they wanted without having to change for them. Applejack's episodes are consistently about her failing to do something, so in that way, she actually has the MOST struggle out of anyone in the mane 6. Her episodes are consistently about personal failure and character development. And besides that, she has plenty of potential for story telling, as long as your willing to step outside of the comfort zone a bit.
Like, for the longest time, people thought Scootaloo was an orphan, and some people still choose to headcanon her as one. You know who else is an orphan? Applejack. And like I pointed out a few posts ago, it was Applejack who was noticing Scootaloo's stress during SIP, not Dash. There's already plenty of ground for tons more chemistry with AJ than Scoots ever had with Rainbow, as long as your willing to have her interact with someone not Dash or the CMC. She has the most interactions with Spike after Twilight and Rarity, and most of Spike's interactions with Rarity are pretty one-sided anyway. There's plenty of episodes that even show her as having some insecurities that could be worked through, namely Made in Manehattan where she's agoraphobic to the point of barely being able to get across the street on her own. There's plenty to work with in regards to AJ. The only thing you can say that makes her difficult is that she isn't a raging cunt like half the other mane 6. Which frankly, is just lazy writing. There's more flaws in the world than just "Is a bitch". Just because she's generally pleasant doesn't mean there isn't room for stories to tell with her, there's plenty. She just got shafted by the writers because she reminded them of people they dislike politically.

>>42283555
is he ok?

>>42284347
Yes anon, he's fine...

>>42283719
I know what you mean, but I can't agree with pride fueled pranks being on the same level as Gilda being a stone cold bitch since they come from two different places of the heart.
>kinda exemplifies why their dynamic feels forced
At this point it would warrant its own CPS style thread. There's something unhealthy about a child getting to hang out with their idol basically whenever while still retaining blind admiration for them. It also cucks Scoots out of having any identity outside of being a CMC

>>42285158
>There's something unhealthy about a child getting to hang out with their idol basically whenever while still retaining blind admiration for them.
Celestia will never beat the allegations.

>Dash pranks you by putting traces of yellowcake uranium in your birthday cake and says “gotcha!”

>>42283846
>Even by FIM standards that "gag" is maliciously cruel.
Not even. You need to learn how to discern actions influenced by the nature of it being a cartoon. By taking it literally you are missing its intent. In reality Twilight would be going to court, convicted and cancelled, then getting a pardon by Celstia for what she did in LZ. But this a cartoon, her mind raping fillies like Jeffrey Epstein is a comedic substitution for an act of desperation that a 7-8 yr old, or anyone for that matter, would take to accomplish a task in the last minute.

>>42285206
In the context of a dark comedy story where consequences don't matter, that would make a pretty funny scene.
>"You put WHAT in the cake?!"
>"Ah relax Twilight, it's called 'yellowcake', it can't be THAT bad!"
And the camera cuts to Anon, Pinkie, and every other pony in the party room just dead on the floor.

>>42285206
Haha...Good one, Rainbow Dash..

>>42284054
I'll just go ahead and post this follow up image extrapolating on my point for anyone going through the archive.

>>42282697
To be completely fair, Gilda did intentionally scare an old lady in such a way that she was running as fast as she could (which was a brisk walk, ha ha old people) from a snake. That kinda shit can get people hurt or cause heart attacks or PTSD episodes irl.
(Otherwise I am generally on Gilda's side- Dash noticing how bad of a time Gilda's having then setting up a fucking prank party only makes sense if you assume Dash is actively trying to get rid of her but doesn't want to be seen as a bad hostess by telling her to gtfo)
>>42282393
True and real. Avowed Trixiefags stand tall.

>>42285232
>You need to learn how to discern actions influenced by the nature of it being a cartoon.
Thats retard logic, the show like all shows needs to have some internal consistency. If it was a gag or character moment that made sense I'd have no problem but you're arguing for late season rot for a prank that feels like something out of an Adult Swim skit.
>By taking it literally you are missing its intent.
You can't get anymore literal than a character putting a brick in place of actual food to fuck with someone. Theres no punchline to it, no buildup its just random nonsense. Even Looney Tunes had anticipation to Wily E. Coyote plummeting into a canyon or a character whacking someone with a mallet.
>In reality Twilight would be going to court, convicted and cancelled
She should've been heavily punished and it should've showed kids that regardless of status or praise nobody is exempt from suffering the consequences of their mistakes. This doesn't have to mean imprisonment it could mean showing her working her debt to society by helping to improve things around Ponyville.

>>42287072
>ash noticing how bad of a time Gilda's having then setting up a fucking prank party only makes sense if you assume Dash is actively trying to get rid of her but doesn't want to be seen as a bad hostess by telling her to gtfo
It's always bothered me a bit how Dash says the pranks weren't intended specifically for her, meanwhile Dash directed Gilda to at least half of them. She absolutely intended those for Gilda, but then pretends otherwise when it comes time for the "dramatic reveal".

>>42284347
NO.

Rainbow Dash is a cunt, what else is new?

>>42288031
she can also fly in the air as a pegasus

>>42288031
She can go from 0 to supersonic in about half a second. Based on that scene with Starlight.

>>42288358
WRONG. Rainbow Dash is a earth pony.

>>42285232
>You need to learn how to discern actions influenced by the nature of it being a cartoon
I wish I could staple this sentence to the top of every show discussion thread that comes up. It's fun to joke about the realistic implications of visual gags and cartoon logic, but then autists like some of the ones we've got in this thread come along, miss the joke entirely, and decide that Rainbow Dash needs to be sent to the moon for putting a rock in a sandwich.

Dashfags will really twist themselves into a pretzel to not have to admit their waifu is a cunt huh

>>42288762
Dashfags and Trixiefags do these mental gymnastics all the time

>>42288762
It's amazing to me that anyone could ever find a character that unironically says "I'm awesome" appealing, let alone attractive, but here we are.

>>42288753
>Any character doing thing is le bad.
>But mai waifu doing thing is just comedy, just some slapstick, a bit of humor, don't take it so seriously.
But of course the joke excuse goes right out the window when it's Dashie getting scared by a prank from her friends, then all of a sudden there needs to be a conversation about not taking pranks too far. If Dashfags didn't have double standards, they would have no standards.

>>42288802
It can work when done right. Sonic's cool despite being a bit of a boaster because he's actually a really nice and humble guy. His personality in Unleashed is great.

>>42288848
Not a Dashfag, but I'm pleased to have helped you air out your obsessive feelings about them. There's other examples you could pick for other ponies, like what Twilight does to Spike, or basically any interaction that involves Rarity. My point is that these are exaggerated cartoon personalities in a world that runs on gags and slapstick, and that the rules we'd apply to our own interactions can't be applied to theirs. Take it all with a grain of salt.

>>42288876
The difference is that being a cunt is a part of Dash's character and is a common occurence unlike other characters.

>>42288802
>could ever find a character that unironically says "I'm awesome" appealing
Rainbow's confidence and boasting isn't even the worst of her character for me. That alone could be fine, which is why I find Trixie far more tolerable. It's the way it doesn't play with her other flaws. She doesn't have enough (or the right) positive qualities to offset the bad.

You can have cocky, even downright assholes who are likeable. Someone already mentioned Sonic. Another example is the Lopen from the Stormlight Archive. He specifically calls himself that because he hasn't met anyone with the same name. He boasts often and teases the people around him, taking joy in sometimes talking what initially appears as nonsense to play onto people's perception of his people being dumb.
He's also introduced as a one-armed cripple in the first book, and is the first to make fun of the fact with self-deprecating jokes. He stands by his companions and risks his life form them. Later on his jokes are revealed to be his way of trying to make others happy, and he genuinely didn't think his teasing was hurtful. When he finds out he swears to avoid harming others like that.

Now that I think of it. He is what Trixie could have been.

>>42289370
>She doesn't have enough (or the right) positive qualities to offset the bad.
Part of the problem for me is that a lot of the positive qualities people ascribe to her feel more like informed attributes, rather than something you would figure out just from watching the show. Loyalty is obviously the big one, as even most people seem to admit she doesn't really act that loyal, but the main one for me is her bravery. She's consistently considered to be the bravest, most adventurous of the group that's always the first to stand up to danger. But the thing is, she pretty much never actually does that.
The manticore in the series premier? Rarity and Applejack are the first to square up against it, not Rainbow. The dragon a few episodes later? She kicked it once, then immediately pussed out and cowered with the rest of her friends when it got up to retaliate. A pack of timberwolves? Ran away screaming while Spike and AJ showed more willingness to take them on.
I can't think of a single time the 'brave and adventurous' Rainbow Dash ever ventured into the Everfree completely on her own for any reason. Twilight has, Applejack has, even Fluttershy has, but not Dash. You only know she's 'brave and adventurous' because the characters call her that, and because the show bible calls her that, but in terms of her behavior? She almost never actually acts like that. She's basically only ever brave in situations where she has an overwhelming advantage, or the backing of other ponies.
Rainbow is a great example of why the phrase "show don't tell" exists. You get told about her virtues a whole lot more than you actually see them, because nearly every time the occasion calls for her to step up and show why she's the loyalist, bravest, most badass pony there is, she buckles and drops the ball. And that would actually be fine if that was the point of her character, but it isn't. All the other characters continue to act like she's hot shit even after she drops the ball every time. She's a character whose virtues only exist on paper.

>>42288762
Dashfags and Trixiefags are really pathetic so im not surprised

This is what Rainbow Trash deserves.

>>42290019
This has to be based off an actual execution video, there's no way.

>>42288859
Sonic is unironically a more lovable character than Rainbow Dash.

>>42290019
I don't like RD, but I don't like this.

>>42290057
>tfw there are bronies in the mexican cartel

>>42290320
Reminder that half the cast of MLP was in a Sonic Netflix show and Ashleigh Ball voiced Tails. https://youtu.be/NgrtjtBPPtQ?feature=shared

>>42290695
fun fact: in the Japanese dub for MLP:FIM, Prince Blueblood was voiced by the same actor who voiced DIO in the JJBA anime.

>>42290320
Sonic is shit, any pony is better than him.

>>42291296

>>42291383
Somepony is mad that some blue rotten hedgehog is the worst thing ever, eggchad keeps on winning.

>>42290616
SAVE DASHIE FROM THAT CARTEL PONY

>>42288713
wait what

>>42291609
>"I WIN THE RACE! I WIN THE RACE! I WIN- I WIN- I WIN THE RACE!"

>>42292429
I guess he'll have to give himself a promotion

Honestly how could the M6 have self-improved in a way that felt organic and earned for their overall character. Yeah obviously Dash should've acted more humble and less like a cunt or Rarity should've stopped acting so vapid and obsessed with opening stores but surely theres more.

>>42280778
>It's ok if you don't like her but also a shame because she would actually like you.
This hurt me and I'm not even a rarafag. She would be such a valuable friend.

>>42292450
Well you already covered Rarity and Dash just now. As for Twilight and Applejack, I think they actually did good in terms of development, to the point that people consider them boring literally because they actually got over their flaws after having an episode focus on them, rather than repeating the same arc over and over. So that basically just leaves Pinkie and Fluttershy.
For Pinkie, the only thing I can think for her is learning to be a bit less aggressively happy. Have her become a bit calmer, a bit more thoughtful, and less invasive with her antics, that sort of thing.
For Fluttershy, she should've become more assertive in a way that isn't 'autisticly screeching like an angry retard'. Her problem was that she was massively flanderized as soon as season 2 started, and then her gradual shift back to her season 1 personality was treated as development, rather than resetting her back to square 1 where she started. For as much hate as it gets, the Beezies episode was actually a great lesson for Fluttershy to learn, and she frankly needed more episodes like that and less episodes like Scare Master or Fluttershy Leans In.
They both needed more episodes where they were in the wrong on something as well. Flutter and Pinkie both have a problem where the vast majority of episodes that focus on them have them be in the right by default, with everyone else needing to kow tow to their ideas and desires with no questions asked. Swarm of the Century, Fluttershy Leans In, Bats!, Feeling Pinkie Keen. They needed more episodes where they were just straight out wrong, failed, and needed to learn a lesson to encourage more character growth. As it stands, the show basically justified their stagnation by nearly always taking their side any time they and another character had a disagreement.

>>42292538
Eh, I don't really care about getting fancy expensive clothes all the time, and Rarity doesn't really do much else outside of that that would interest me either. The only other things she seems to do are go to the spa and drink tea or something. Outside of her business, Rarity really doesn't have that much going on in her personal life that would really make me want to hang out with her.

>>42292554
What about sexual favors?

>>42292561
I'm not into casual sex. If I'm going to have sex with someone, I'd rather it be someone I'm in a relationship with. So if she's not my girlfriend, I'm not interested in sexual favors either.

>>42292538
>>42292561
Are you calling Rari a whore?

>>42292573
Having casual sex doesn't make someone a whore. She's just a very generous pony.

>>42292570
>I'm not into casual sex. If I'm going to have sex with someone, I'd rather it be someone I'm in a relationship with. So if she's not my girlfriend, I'm not interested in sexual favors either.

Careful thats a controversial opinion here.

>>42292570
What if literally no pony whatsoever would ever want to have sex with you, would you accept her giving you a pity lay?

>>42292948
If I was destined to get nothing but that, I'd probably just kill myself out of despair desu.

>>42292966
>the most gorgeous mare in ponyville offers you free sex out of pure generosity from the bottom of her heart
>decline
lame

>>42293067
>Only getting pity sex from a mare who feels bad for you
>You will never have genuine love or a relationship from someone who just wants to be with you
Actual agony. Pity sex from Rarity would do nothing to fill the gaping void in my heart.
Also, beauty is subjective. She's not the most gorgeous to me.

>>42293099
>You will never have genuine love or a relationship from someone who just wants to be with you
relatable

>>42293102
Very. Though considering what kind of behavior 3DPD's find "attractive", I see this more as a badge of honor with each passing day.

Pony supremacy. TFD.

>>42290057
The artist confirmed that it wasn't based on any specific source, but obviously if someone's been on the internet forever they're gonna know what videos like that look like.

>>42293123
I've been on the internet forever and I don't know what it looks like because I don't go looking up fucking snuff videos.

You can try to normalize it all you want, but anyone who willingly looks up that kind of stuff is considerably unhinged.

>>42292554
You're gonna need somepony to make you human clothes for your broke ass, bitch.
Take the rarapill

>>42293123
>>42293135
I only thought it did because the aspect ratio and quality looking like a mobile video, I don't go looking for stuff like that, sometimes people just post shit like that and I can't do anything about it.

>>42293158
>beautiful mare that puts her life on looking good
>calls you darling everytime
>makes you the fanciest clothes out of her passion for fashion
>top tier sex on demand due to her trademark generosity
I understand not being into Rarity, but rejecting her? You might as well be into stallions, darling!

>>42293158
you will never fit in

>>42293187
Indeedy!

I only wonder who would she pick for a threesome with another mare

>>42288753
>Rainbow Dash needs to be sent to the moon for putting a rock in a sandwich
Actually it was a brick. I also get that it's cartoon logic, but it's not like putting hot sauce or too much salt in someone's food. It's a damn brick. And even if Zecora can fix teeth within seconds, I doubt people would like to chip their tooth when trying to eat lunch. Sent to the moon? Nah. But at least reprimanded, yes.

RD isn’t the problem. It’s the writers. The cookies episode was the writers upping her jerkiness to 11 when they forgot she can be nice. RD is best when helping Scootaloo and actually being loyal.

>>42293289
>RD is actually perfectly fine when you write her OOC

>>42292570
>I'm not into casual sex. If I'm going to have sex with someone, I'd rather it be someone I'm in a relationship with. So if she's not my girlfriend, I'm not interested in sexual favors either.
Okay but Rarity says this and you can reply with
>then be mine

>>42293300
Im not a dashfag. I know shes a bitch at times and is my least favorite pony out of the 6, but there are times I enjoy her. The issue is when the writers want her to learn a lesson for being a dick, instead of using her normal dick-iness, they go overboard. 2-4-6 Great. I get she doesnt give a flying fuck about cheerleading, but she's a teacher at the school. She doesnt care until things go overboard and the team basically quits.
But in Rainbow Falls I like. She's being disloyal and a jerk, but it's her regular issue with being torn between friends and dreams.

>>42293312
The only thing I have with Rainbow Falls is that it's not like Dash is actually losing anything by not flying with the Wonderbolts. Sure she's a big fan, but playing on their team doesn't really make her one of them, nor does refusing do anything to prohibit her ability to eventually become one. So she isn't really choosing between her friends and her dreams, she's choosing between her friends and something she really really wants to do because it'd be so cool. It's her struggling with the most basic of loyalty tests.
Actually, I've kind of just realized something. Dash's loyalty is almost entirely defined by what she doesn't do, rather than what she does do. Most examples of her loyalty are basically just her not actively stabbing the group in the back and leaving them for dead, which is the barest minimum standard to meet in terms of loyalty. But in terms of actually going out of her way to show how loyal she is by going above and beyond? She almost never does that. I think this might be the core of the reason why so many people find her loyalty lacking.

Rarity has really nasty farts.

>M6fags arguing over which M6 is the worst, ignoring that it's easily post season 2 Pinkie Pie