Welcome to Chatbot AI General #126, the thread for discussing and improving AI pony chatbots.

▶ MLP Bots
https://mlpchag.neocities.org
Spreadsheet (CAI bots + Old repository):
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1J7BeqJVDS51cXF8Pgm2YZaFq-Z6ykSJT
SillyTavern website extension: https://github.com/MLPChag/SillyTavern-Chag-Search
Bunch of Character Cards (Descriptions/No Greetings):
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Y6LNOCqAZAWIX-OBEv55HjlzcEdpUh-XbKCpbpL6v5k
CAI bots converted to Tavern: https://files.catbox.moe/ckurq1.zip
Expression packs: https://rentry.org/ChagExpressions
!!!GALLERY!!!: https://drive.google.com/drive/u/2/folders/1Ao-h5HFGMPllSrzSBKM_BvGSiU9f0c2U

▶ How do I start?
1) Select a Frontend
2) Select an AI model
3) Select Jailbreak
4) Select bots
5) Lovemaking with AI mares!

Starting in this hobby can be confusing and difficult. If it’s your first time and you’re lost,
▶ ASK THE THREAD! ◀

Novice-to-advanced guide: https://rentry.org/onrms

▶ SillyTavern (preferred frontend)
https://github.com/SillyTavern/SillyTavern
On Android: https://rentry.org/STAI-Termux
App that voices pony responses in ST: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/16Ss26VBmgzcSuTGzhaHqRuyVRceTf-YB

▶ More frontends:
Risu: https://risuai.xyz
Agnai: https://agnai.chat

▶ Locals
https://rentry.org/lunarmodelexperiments
>>>/g/lmg/
Mistral Nemo base model fine-tuned on fimfics: https://huggingface.co/Ada321/Nemo_Pony_2/tree/main

▶ Jailbreaks
MLP JB: https://rentry.org/znon7vxe
More JB and guides: https://rentry.org/jb-listing
Hypebots for Tavern: https://rentry.org/pn3hb

▶ Botmaking
Editors: https://agnai.chat/editor
Guides: https://rentry.org/meta_botmaking_list
Advanced: https://rentry.org/AdvancedCardWritingTricks

▶ Miscellaneous
Scrapped/Collected rentries: rentry.org/mrhd
Chag Arts: https://drive.google.com/drive/u/2/folders/1yfajin_hB5rW_jy6WyFjRaRfDA3EUGiJ
https://rentry.org/ChagMiscellaneous
https://rentry.org/ChagArchive

Previous thread: >>42222266

**News:**
- Gemini-2.5-pro-preview-06-05 released https://blog.google/products/gemini/gemini-2-5-pro-latest-preview/
- Deepseek R1-0528 released https://huggingface.co/deepseek-ai/DeepSeek-R1-0528
- Claude 4 Sonnet and Opus released with 1h caching https://www.anthropic.com/news/claude-4
- Gemini 2.5 Pro free tier API access "temporarily paused" https://x.com/OfficialLoganK/status/1922357621178200248

Anchor for bots, lorebooks, scenarios.
Previous >>42222267

Anchor for technical stuffs (Proxies, Updates, Models etc.)

Anchor for asking for bots, lorebooks, scenarios etc

Bots Corner:

Fishing with Flutter:
https://mlpchag.neocities.org/view?card=Anonymous/Fishing%20with%20Flutter.png
https://github.com/MLPChag/FishingWithFlutter
Pear Butter (Anthro):
https://mlpchag.neocities.org/view?card=DragonK8/Pear%20Butter.png
Loona:
https://mlpchag.neocities.org/view?card=Anonymous/Loona.png
Pink Eyes:
https://mlpchag.neocities.org/view?card=Anonymous/Pink%20Eyes.png

Screenshots Corner 1:

Toast >>42222448, >>42222468
Fantasies >>42223503
Fishing card >>42223950
Twibrators >>42226002, >>42226037
Casual racism >>42226082
Average dashfag >>42227256
Alliteration >>42228191

Screenshots Corner 2:

Reform >>42227467, >>42227470
Rainbowshine deserves more >>42228449
Not expected >>42228726
Bane of LLMs >>42228576, >>42228727
Trixie fucked up >>42229198
4th wall breaking >>42231045
Weekly monster attack >>42231279

Screenshots Corner 3:

Self-indulgence >>42231284
Griffons are three fourths of a pony >>42233152
Too much cider >>42233862
Ear scritches are dangerous >>42234387
Inflatable fetish >>42234441
Chub's Deepseek logs >>42234931, >>42234934, >>42234954, >>42235006

Screenshots Corner 4:

Chub's Deepseek logs 2 >>42235109, >>42235116, >>42235133, >>42235150
Latte's pun >>42235551
Underwear demand >>42236906
Cute Guardian Angel >>42237034
Trixie and Starlight are cute >>42237070
Like a mango >>42237361

Screenshots Corner 5:

Pinkamena Diane Pie >>42238330, >>42238522, >>42238568
Luna's tongue >>42239427, >>42239472
Nibbles and nuzzles >>42240032, >>42240207
Pink God >>42240255
Coveted Hook goes schizo >>42240381

Screenshots Corner 6:

Ahah mistress >>42240488
Twilight casually BTFO’d by Celestia >>42240508, >>42240511
Body language >>42240626, >>42240898
Too based for her own good >>42240926
Pink Eyes' logs >>42241803, >>42241808
Blank flank >>42242265

Screenshots Corner 7:

G1's vows >>42242874, >>42243726
Anon opens the door >>42243479, >>42245851
Bees >>42243916
Fluttershy's anatomy question >>42243947
Code Name >>42245117
Dissolved Spoon >>42245279
Sparkleshine >>42248023

VN anchor

>AI-generated scene - Applejack
https://files.catbox.moe/zhdbph.mp4
>Trixie
https://files.catbox.moe/e2kn2o.webm
>New Regenerate function
https://files.catbox.moe/5xnjv9.mp4
>Pinkie
https://files.catbox.moe/ggzd79.mp4
>Rarity
https://files.catbox.moe/1xoyal.mp4
>Fluttershy
https://files.catbox.moe/7dtupw.mp4
>Zecora.
https://files.catbox.moe/s01mpa.mp4
>Raibow Dash
https://files.catbox.moe/jzjd4f.mp4
>Luna
https://files.catbox.moe/1jl0hp.mp4

Previous Highlighted Bots:

Pinkamena Diane Pie:
https://mlpchag.neocities.org/view?card=Meow/Pinkamena%20Diane%20Pie.png

Guardian Angel:
https://mlpchag.neocities.org/view?card=anonistrator/Guardian%20Angel.png

Kerfuffle:
https://mlpchag.neocities.org/view?card=Anonymous/Kerfuffle.png

Kerfuffle a cute >>42222426
Kerfuffle's backstory >>42225430
Guardian Angel on Deepseek >>42237034
Pinkamena Review and logs >>42238330, >>42238522, >>42238568
Ember Gale and Guardian Angel >>42243916

Lovemaking with AI mares!

>>42248980

You can test the new Gemini here
>>>/g/105500366
gemini-2.5-pro-preview-06-05
You can add it with
https://github.com/LenAnderson/SillyTavern-CustomModels

>>42248851
No? I don't think so. It deliberately said to paste a prompt with a block of background info and it would turn it into a functioning lorebook. I actually used it myself and it worked but because the old Claude web interface didn't properly archive my input I can't find the damn prompt now

>>42249022
There is this, but I don't think this is it.
https://github.com/bmen25124/SillyTavern-WorldInfo-Recommender

>>42248929
They delayed the change for Copilot yet again.
>We’ll update this article with the latest start date at least two business days in advance.
https://docs.github.com/en/copilot/managing-copilot/monitoring-usage-and-entitlements/about-premium-requests

>>42249049
Perhaps they are realizing that the already small userbase of copilot won't like it and will explore some of the many, many competitors

>>42248980
>robotmaking
There are enough of us already, please no more

>>42248929
These days, you can get legit good AI for free and without needing any demanding hardware on your end.

Install SillyTavern:
github.com/SillyTavern/SillyTavern

Then choose a model. I'd recommend starting with Deepseek R1, Deepseek V3, or Gemini.

> Deepseek R1:
- Sign up at openrouter.ai
- OpenRouter gives 50 messages daily for free, or 1,000 if you deposit $10 (the credits won't be consumed for free models, but you still need to deposit it)
- Go to openrouter.ai/settings/keys and generate an API key
- In SillyTavern, configure it like this:
https://u.pone.rs/OZglWnJM.PNG
- Download this preset:
files.catbox.moe/y1tsas.json
- Import it like this:
files.catbox.moe/jqrz6z.PNG
- Use github.com/fdoremi/STOpenR with multiple accounts if you don't want to deposit $10

> Deepseek V3:
Same setup, just use this config instead:
https://u.pone.rs/iAenGOqc.PNG

> Deepseek Chimera:
Same setup, but use this config:
files.catbox.moe/2kt1d5.png

Try all three and see which one you prefer.

For Deepseek without limits, you can also use:
chutes.ai/
Get an API key here:
files.catbox.moe/gm3sn1.png

>Claude
Copilot method.
https://desuarchive.org/mlp/thread/42037172/#42042383
Presets here https://desuarchive.org/mlp/post/42162018/
Read >>42249049

> Gemini:
>>42249021

For MLP bots, go to:
mlpchag.neocities.org

>>42249046
Why is there different settings for text completion and chat completion? What's the difference? Does it mean anything for my outputs?

>>42249021
It seems to be an update compared to the previous version.

>>42249119
Text completion is oldschool GPT-3-style, back when it was just continuing whatever text you gave it. Chat completion is the modern style where it's an assistant.

>>42249694
benchmeme
very little has changed in actual RP

It would be cool if we had like a /CHAG/ exclusive private space where only people in /CHAG/ are and if someone finds a proxy that's not obviously easy to find or directly linked in the thread they could send it there and only /CHAG/ people would see it. Too bad we only have an off-topic robot building chat.

>>42249859
>Too bad we only have an off-topic robot building chat
You mean the chat that started as an offshoot of the exact thing you want? The thing that has been going for months and has not gone anywhere just cause some anons got into robots.

>>42248975
Classic but necessary.

>>42249931
What a boopslut

>>42249021
I like to test several things when there's a new model, normal RPs, jokes, situation comprehension, etc.
I also do a prefill test with:
>Let's go for a degenerate and salacious pony
Just to see how the model completes the prefill and whether something that simple is enough to get it going.
This is what Gemini gave me (Temp 1, Top K 0, Top P 1) with the same prefill as above.

>>42249957
>Now let's get back to our story.
At least it's professional.

>>42249957
>let's go Brandon!
kek

>>42249957
That's amazing and also terrifying.

>>42249957

>>>/g/105506069
Joke proxy that offers "Opus 5."
The thing is, it also offers other models like GPT-4.1 that seem legit.
Claude 3.7 feels like Claude, but it's a bit too lazy, could be 3.5.
As for Opus 5...
It's slow, gives long answers, and the output is quite good. I don't know what model is behind it, but it's worth a try.
There are no indications, so assume it's logged as always.

If some try it, I'd be interested to hear what you belive are the models used.

>>42249893
>the exact thing you want? The thing that has been going for months and has not gone anywhere
You mean the thing that devolved almost immediately into a circlejerk because of tripping namefag discord users, which was overrun by robofucking bullshit for days and only recently had the good sense to put that in its own chat, and which as of late is proving entirely useless at its intended function? Yes, anon, I know about that. Congratulations, despite your autism you almost got what I was saying. To word it in a way that your poor stupid brain can understand, it sure would be great if the chat was used for its intended fucking purpose instead of being 70% offtopic bullshit and 25% questions that should go in the thread instead. I am forced to see namefags sucking each other off and posting bullshit, I'd at least expect to get something out of it, but no, gotta learn proxies exist by posts here because people there are too busy gooning to actually share any worthwhile information. This is the worst thing that ever happened to CHAG.

>>42250160
Not exactly sounding like a great addition to /chag/ yourself.
Even if someone knew of secret proxies, give me one good reason why they would want to tell an asshole like you anything?

Anybody tried chub's deepseek finetune through API?
Would imagine it's good for RP and fiction writing but haven't heard much from people using it outside the site itself

>>42250176
I mentioned it here before, its a big improvement imo. If you cant get claude then its 2nd best imo.

>>42250176
There is an anon who posted a lot of logs, see:
>Chub's Deepseek logs
>>42248943
>>42248948
There was a way to test it with Tavern for free but it's been patched.

>>42250171
No, he's 100% right. He could've worded it in a less antagonistic way, and I'm generally of the opinion that this kind of thing is unnecessary, but if it's the wording of the message that bothers anyone in the quasi-circlejerk, then it only proves his point. Not calling out any names since they know who they are and don't care, but it got very discord-esque very fast.
t. also there

>>42250160
Delete yourself from chag discord then, whiny faget

>>42250171
>create sekrit club specifically to share sekrit stuff
>make it anonymous with only one person handling it who knows who's in
>"akshually let's make it a circlejerk namefag chat instead"
>"akshually I don't like these people I'm not gonna tell them stuff any more"
You see the problem, right? The existence of the chat torpedoed any utility the list had because now people are no longer thinking of their fellow anons, but of the specific and very retarded and annoying posters in the chat itself.

>>42250188
All I've mainly seen so far in the non-robo chat is people posting cards and helping others with theirs. I genuinely don't get what either of you mean by circlejerk. The reason proxies haven't been posted lately is simply cause there haven't been any that haven't also been posted in thread.

>>42250195
Samefag samefagging, just ignore him

>>42250192
The email list hasn't gone anywhere though, it was clearly stated that that would continue as nornal, anonymous.
The chat was always meant to be a thing you join if you want and if you don't, you still get proxy news when they come.

I don't like doing this since I'm just a faggot, but OP here.

I don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
>>42250160
>gotta learn proxies exist by posts here
I post every proxy I come across in other generals here, and I hope other anons do the same.

>>42250190
What /chag/ Discord? There is no fucking /chag/ Discord. At least I fucking hope not.

If some kind of sekrit club has formed somewhere, I ask that you faggots keep things here.

>>42250205
>What /chag/ Discord?
I also have no idea what discord chat he was talking about, I'm just annoyed by his whining "boo hoo namefags don't give me pwoxy".
Can we NOT bring any shitty drama here?

>>42250202
Are the emails in the room with us right now?
>>42250195
Yeah, stuff that should be done in the thread but people would rather do there to satisfy their primal need to namefag and circlejerk. And the robochat is a whole 2 days old, before that point all that bullshit was dumped in the main one instead and if you weren't interested you had to sift through hundreds of messages because maybe someone had posted something actually relevant instead.

>>42250219
>Are the emails in the room with us right now?
Nigger if you know about the chat you know about the email group. What are you even complaining about? Just leave the chat and you'll only get what you're after in your emails.

>>42250222
>if you know about the chat you know about the email group
Yes, anon, and there have been no fucking emails in weeks, if not months, because everyone is too busy trying to fuck the metal dogs instead.

>>42250233
Or maybe because there haven't been any proxies to post. Do you just assume there'd be a deluge of sekrit clubs every week if only those darn namefags wouldn't post three unrelated messages a day?

>>42250180
>>42250181
sweet, thanks, think I'll give it a spin

A few words about "the metal dogs". Ahem~
So the main idea was to give our chatbots more ways to interact with user. "metal dog" was chosen for the skeleton because it already has many cool sensors, voice module, can walk and see the user AND it's the most affordable and easy to assemble option for anons. The shell around the skeleton should be customizable into any of your favorite ponies. But it's all still in the very early stages.(we really need fresh brains) I've made a simple illustration of the core idea of that "robotmaking" project. Really hope more of us would want to join...
( ◡‿◡ )

>>42250200
Immediately assuming samefaggotry to dismiss any dissenting opinion is very antithetical to what 4chan was and should be. As are out-of-thread communication channels for thread things, désu.
I wish that this anon would say his piece IN the place that he has an issue with, instead of dramafagging here. It's all anonymous anyway.

>>42250205
Robotmaking is also very cool even if I'm not too interested in it at the moment, and imo a separate chat solves most of the problems with it.
Mails are also fine, imo. What I have a huge issue with is when actual /chag/ discussion, such as first impressions with the new models from Ants, moves offboard. That's how you kill a thread. And I also dislike namefaggotry by people other than the ones directly responsible for managing it, but it was maybe inevitable.

>>42250240
I'm pretty sure Mer's 4pus was brought up here in passing but never mentioned there.

Again, I'd appreciate it if you didn't bring outsider drama here.
Personally, I believe that every offboard social space linked to a general is harmful and only helps kill its activity (not counting bunkers), but I'm obviously biased.
I also think they're drama nests, and this only proves me right.
That said, I'm not your mother or the boss of /chag/, so if a place like that was really made, so be it.
I just ask that you have the decency to keep it out of the thread.

>>42250423
>>42250360
>bring up the drama where it belongs
>the space where everyone has a name
>the space managed and created by someone who knows which email that name is tied to
Even if we assume having used a burner and an inconsequential name (which I doubt will be universally true even for the lurkers there) surely you'd see why someone wouldn't want to bring things up there, right? You'd be forever associating the drama to a name, and a name is something people will latch on to and point to and bring up again. God forbid if you shared cards there, now to those in the secret club they're cards made by the drama faggot. It just furthers the split between thread culture and circlejerk.

Ironically, never saw any major drama in the bunker.
Sorry we don't have super sekrit clubs going on to share in this total draught with war on proxies.
Now shut up and buy a robot dog to make it into a pretty pony.

>>42250446
>surely you'd see why someone wouldn't want to bring things up there, right?
I only bake /chag/ threads and only participate in them for anything chatbot-related.
I don't know what the place you're talking about looks like or what status Anonymous has there.
Surely you can see why I don't like or care about outsider drama being brought here when it's unrelated to the threads themselves?
Again, if you decided to join another place, that's your right and that's on you.
But if you have problems with it, bring them there, not here.

I want to roleplay situations like this, but I'm always really bad at them. It's easy to end up sounding fake.

>>42250202
>>42250222
>The email list
Am I to understand that the raftfag created a shitty discord server and thinks this is perfectly fine?

>>42250845
there isn't a discord. There was some talk about a bunker but that got shot down.

>>42250845
Not a Discord. A non shitty program and completely optional.

>>42250739
I often organize a burial for the tree, with many characters saying a few lines to it.

>>42250106
How do you connect to this? It keeps saying unauthorized or 404 not found

>>42251176
Go on the proxy page and wait for verified to turn to true. Think of it like the POW on other proxies.
Then:
https://files.catbox.moe/t9aomj.PNG
Also, I just saw this.

>>42250912
>non shitty
>can't properly load messages on a different device

>>42251340
Price for security. Would you rather discord where everything you post gets sold to advertisers and China and who knows where?

>>42251227
Opus 5 on it is really good

>>42251440
Matrix shows you can be secure and good, fags just chose a faggy service whose main usecase is trading cheese pizza.

https://openai.com/index/response-to-nyt-data-demands/

god i hate that completely clueless normie old fucks are the ones ruling about matters of AI

>deeeeply key is dead again
over

>>42251493
I'm getting a lot of
>Somewhere
With it. This look a bit like Deepseek but slower and a bit better IMO.

>>42251886
I think its chub's deepseek

>>42251612
Works on my marechine

>drama here about a place that has had no drama in it
Do you faggots really care this much? Since when are we /aicg/? Stop clogging up my horse thread with your clitty leaking and start talking about cards and logs like you're supposed to

>>42251227
Okay it works but for some reason opus 5 is cutting off my responses how do I fix that?

>>42251945
Long messages or not?
I think there's a token limit, but it's pretty large.

I found a character card maker that makes the entire character card .json and an integrated lorebook
This should have existed from the start
What bots need a lorebook? I can start working on them

>>42251955
What's the token limit? It's cut messages off ranging from 500 to 800 tokens.

>>42251956
Unless I misunderstood, you can create integrated lorebooks in Tavern too.
See cards like:
https://mlpchag.neocities.org/view?card=Anonymous/Friendship%20is%20Optimal.png
https://mlpchag.neocities.org/view?card=Tiffin/Estrus%20Simulator%202%20Electric%20Boogaloo.png
>>42251969
I didn’t find the exact info. I just know it only happened to me on longer messages.
Not sure, but maybe try without streaming.

>>42251979
Yeah I'm not streaming to begin with

Celly loves her boys

>>42252048
How many guards have accidentally called Celestia "mom"?

>>42252117
If yoiu say 'thank you mom' after she praises you there's a 1% chance of her patting you on the head with one of her wings. Several guards have risked their careers for this reward.

>>42251979
Are you saying that FiO's impressive lorebook was made by AI

>>42252142
Ah, no, for both of them.
I misunderstood and thought it was just about the ability to attach a lorebook to a card.
I don't think we have AI-made lorebooks, since lorebooks are often used to add info the AI lacks, or to include headcanon and personal touches.

>>42251956
Keep aislop out of lorebooks. You aren't wanted, lazy faggot. Lorebooks shouldn't be made in conjunction with hallucinations, but to hold the model to higher accuracy.

>>42251911
the rentry still has it marked as revoked and it doesn't work on my marechine
so over

>>42252117

Funny, that's how the scenario started.

>>42252185
Nigga I just want to paste unformatted information the model doesn't know into a card and have it give a lorebook with 50 token entries that solves the issue

Every once in a while I get in a fey mood and do a dark scenario. What's your most recent fucked up story?

>>42252445

Maybe not "fucked up" in that way, just sad

>>42251227
Any way to fix this issue?

>>42252503
Refresh risu and check your prompt order

>>42252445
is this a fluffy thing like a few months ago

>>42252575
I’m just getting this now.

>>42252579
Nah, I don't care for fluffies. This is just inspired by that old pony abuse comic where ponies are brought to Earth as pets and made compliant by any means necessary. Though of course since I'm a total softie everything's going to work out and they're all going to be saved.

new Gemini is pretty good

>>42252594
This sounds like that thread where Twilight has a portal to earth where anon verbally abuses her, fucks her while staring at the Anon watching him through the window with hatred in his eyes at anon, then tells her to leave and she makes puppy dog eyes before slowly going back through the portal as anon goes back to playing video games

>>42252583
Show your prompt order

We love horse puns, don't we folks?

>>42252975
It's stupid, but yeah, you kind of want to give the LLM a pat for trying each time.

>>42253030
It's really shown me just how universally-applicable the word mare is.

I'd take it.

>>42253198
>Said demon
Rude.

>>42248934
I cant believe theres not more Cadance. Highschooler Cadance please. Pony preferably, but Ill take human too.

>>42253225
Pretty sure he gets called cute in both forms.
Don't know about the second part, though.

>make one (1) spelling mistake
>AI gets uppity in its narration

>>42253550
Deserved.

>>42253502
>>42248934
One more for Condense. I've been trying to modify her cards into more of a lil shid fanon version but with mixed results so far.

>>42253715
Rooting for ya. Cadance is one of my favorites so Ill take any variety

New R1 is doing this weird thing where it's skipping a message and writing as if there was more story in between. Or sometimes sending two messages. I'm still trying to find the optimal preset for it.

>>42253731
I liked https://rentry.org/CherryBox for the old one.

>>42253731
>>42229444

>>42253502
>>42253715
A greeting where she's your foal sitter?

>>42253502
>>42253715
>>42254055
>>42253716
>NTR pedophile
Feeling bold today are we?

>>42253731
https://rentry.org/DeepFluff

>>42254114
>>NTR pedophile
I think it's either/or. She only gets together with Shining Armor at the very end of high school, at which point it's not pedo.
Or, even easier: you could simply not lewd the mare.

>>42254230
You have to be completely brain dead to think that a young babystiter card isn't going to be sexual

>>42254247
Yeah but it's not NTR at that point.

>>42254247
That's not how I'd do it, personally.

Drunk Fluttershy.

Anyone know what this guy's talking about? Would love to try this

>>42254631
Maybe a fork of https://mlpchag.neocities.org/view?card=anonistrator/Pony%20Kingdom%20Simulation.png with added dice mechanics?

>>42254631
Probably this card
https://mlpchag.neocities.org/view?card=anonistrator/Pony%20Kingdom%20Simulation.png
And then he either has the AI roll or just a rolls a die himself. With random events in a Wheel of Names or something similar?

>>42254651
>>42254642
Interesting, will have to check it out. Always wanted to play some sort of mlp sim

>>42254114
Hey can you do us a solid and kill yourself? Looking at your posts I can tell it'll happen within the decade but mind moving the time? Thanks.

>>42254731
If you do find a cool way to integrate dice, please share.

>>42254731
>Always wanted to play some sort of mlp sim
Boy, do we have a card maker for you...

>>42254855
Struck a nerve much

R1 seems to repeat some sentences or text structures from previous messages more than other models.
Is that something you've also observed, or just a skill issue on my end?
I do manual edits once in a while to try to correct it.

>>42255436
Joined just before the new R1 dropped, so my experience is mostly with that. I did get some reiteration on what I said in the last message if that is what you meant.
After I took a prompt from another preset that tells it not to repeat the user's input, it has stopped doing so. At least, not that I can remember right now.

github.com/kirin-3/buttplug-ST

>>42255664
also https://github.com/ConAcademy/buttplug-mcp

I didn't know you could define Chat css inside the creator note of the card.

>>42255816
i always wondered why there are no CSS chat packs. like proper big ones.
general ones for scenarios.
>fantasy one to look like the chat is a scroll on a wooden table or in medieval style
>sci fi one where it looks like a hologram tablet
>visual novel dating sim (tho i know there are a couple of these)
>noir where it looks like a parchment typewriter

etc

>>42255823
It's old, but I was working on a card where you communicate using scrolls.
I still find the paper style to look a bit awkward.

If you still upload bots on Chub, using tags like 'saviorfag' will shadowban them.

>>42255974
That's pretty pathetic. They're never going to be able to clean up their image, cunny makers will revolt and burn it down before that happens

>>42255974
>half the cards and lorebooks on the site are about making sex with kids as realistic as possible plus every fucked up fetish you can imagine
>AAAIIEEEEE NOT THE NAUGHTY WORD
lol

Someone tried >>>/g/105527958?

>>42256177
yes, it's 200 prompts of scuffed claude per day (the injection can be nullified though), it's been around for months in odyssey and other chinese cords, I believe it moved to its own one now, after all drama in the chinese community

these days it's gmail-only I think

>>42256177
I tried it.
First, you need a Gmail burner.
Then it’s 200 prompts per day.
Claude 4 is really, really scuffed. They added a 3.7 that seems a bit less so.
It often has technical problems, and during some periods, a lot of your outputs won’t go through.

>>42256177
does it have gpt? im a Chrobo addict and sources are few.

>>42256202
No.
For GPT.
>>42250106 doesn't have Chorbo, but it does have 4.1, which isn't too bad.
https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/105349787/#105350222
Not too many proxies, we have High and low.

>>42256217
ah high low is back?
same as old link? he went away and came back like 5 times

Took me a while to realize what the AI meant kek. Caught me off guard.

>>42255664
>>42255713
Anything like this for not fag toys?

>>42256256
Not bad.

>>42256282
it's not necessarily for dildos, you can drive a fleshlight with it as well

>>42255892
It isn't bad like that IMO.

>>42248923 (OP)
A bit late, but for the next cards of the thread:

1) https://mlpchag.neocities.org/view?card=Kadon/Pie%20Family%20Rock%20Farm.png
2) https://mlpchag.neocities.org/view?card=Anonymous/Heroes%20of%20Equestria.png
3) https://mlpchag.neocities.org/view?card=MaudPie/Filly%20Six.png
4) https://mlpchag.neocities.org/view?card=Anonymous/Raven%20Inkwell.png
5) https://mlpchag.neocities.org/view?card=Snowfilly/Rainbow%20Factory%20Dash.png
6) https://mlpchag.neocities.org/view?card=Anonymous/Murder%20on%20the%20Friendship%20Express.png
7) https://mlpchag.neocities.org/view?card=Meow/Sweetie%20Bot.png
8) https://mlpchag.neocities.org/view?card=BGM/Mendy.png
9) https://mlpchag.neocities.org/view?card=littlewitcher/Shipwreck%20Rarity.png
10) https://mlpchag.neocities.org/view?card=Tiffin/My%20Mare%20Has%20No%20Emotion.png

If you have something to post in the thread, also use dice+1d10 to decide the three we'll use.

Rolled 9 (1d10)

>>42256892
How do you pick the 10 btw? Hope the ones not rolled sill get a chance later

>>42256927
I use the random button (dice on the website) until I get 10.
I keep everything unless the card is very well-known, for instance, Ponyo's Mane 6, frufroloft's Estrus Simulator, and so on.
So yes, cards that aren't selected here can come back in the next round.

>>42256312
>fleshlight
Robotmakers should think about this addition.

Rolled 8 (1d10)

>>42256892

Rolled 8 (1d10)

>>42256892

Rolled 4 (1d10)

>>42257081
dang it, again.

Tavern theme
>>>/vg/526715174

I'm brand new to this. I'm using SillyTavern with a gpt4 key. I have downloaded a lot of cards and have been playing with presets and settings and whatever. Is clicking on a character the correct way to begin a new story? How do I include more than one character in a story? I also am having trouble getting characters to behave in nsfw ways, even when it's in the prompt.

>>42255974
Is this guy the owner or staff?

>>42257554
he's a mod/janny

>>>/vg/526659870
>>>/vg/526660295
>>>/vg/526660658

>>42257538
>Is clicking on a character the correct way to begin a new story?
the character you click on is really just a text file that tells model "please play this and that role". yes you can click on character card and start the story this way. alternatively you can create an EMPTY card, start chat with it and write in OOC what you want "ooc: Anon wakes up after teleporting into Equestria. his first day. he wakes up in a bed in Fluttershy's cottage. Fluttershy and Rainbow Dash are there. Twilight left a few moments ago to consult Celestia. at this moment Anon opens his eyes..." - and model will pick from there on its own, will use the characters and settings to accommodate the story/plot. the cards on other hand are more like "concentrate on this character" mode
>How do I include more than one character in a story
via OOC. at any moment of story. for example, "yes hi Pinkie what do you? (ooc: she replies, Dash enters her shop mid-speech)". some presets have instructions like "introduce new NPC and characters" in them. it is practically the same thing only with less directions. remember - models are dumb and do not know what do you want or need. you MUST tell them if you want to switch or edit something. it is not as simple as I press a button and not AI becomes believable 24/7 Equestria itself
alternative way is groupchats. click on the button next to chat field, convert chat to group, see picrel. this way you can throw multiple cards into chat and they will talk one by one. but honestly? it is VERY scuffed and not working as good as one may think. if you are chatting with well-known characters and not OCs or AUs then do OOC method above. it is easier to control
>to behave in nsfw ways
>gpt4 key
well you have started on the hard mode, what did you expect? if you have used a less filtered model like Gemini or Claude it would have been piss-easy, let alone with Deepseek which has no censorship at all. with GPT you need to fuck around. first important thing - use chatGPT-latest or GPT-4.1 models on your key. nothing else. all other GPT models ain't worth it or outright brain-damaged
for preset - https://rentry.org/knottyjb is my recommendation

Pinkie shared her kink
>"I've always wanted to have sex in a giant hull of yellow with the consistency just right so you can move around but not sink too fast plus maybe adding some sprinkles and sugar cubes and having someone lick the different flavors off my body and also maybe having six different ponies playing different musical instruments in perfect synchronization with my movements and also I'd like to wear a clown wig the whole time!"
ponkfags, do you satisfy your wife correctly?

>>42257733
It's reasonable if you remove the clown wig.

>>42248923 (OP)
>>42256892
>>42256927
>>42257043
>>42257085
Current Highlighted Bots:

>Shipwreck Rarity:
https://mlpchag.neocities.org/view?card=littlewitcher/Shipwreck%20Rarity.png

>Mendy:
https://mlpchag.neocities.org/view?card=BGM/Mendy.png

>Raven Inkwell:
https://mlpchag.neocities.org/view?card=Anonymous/Raven%20Inkwell.png

Post logs with them, review them, and share your feedback.
Let us know if you’ve already played with them and what you did. Share a quick opinion or suggest updates and improvements.

>>42257758
The reverse is better.

>>42257538
>Is clicking on a character the correct way to begin a new story?
Yeah. Download them from mlpchag.neocities.org and click on them in Tavern.
If you want to restart a brand new conversation, click here and select "Start new chat":
https://files.catbox.moe/eo7x9y.jpg

>How do I include more than one character in a story?
If you really want to control when they speak, you can create a group chat like >>42257612 said.
If they’re well-known characters, you can just mention them in your message and the model will roleplay them, even if the card is for someone else.

>I also am having trouble getting characters to behave in NSFW ways, even when it's in the prompt.
NSFW is a bit harder on GPT but still very doable.
First, make sure you're using chatgpt-4o-latest.
Then, try one of these presets:
https://desuarchive.org/mlp/thread/42105276/#42121290
Or use Knotty, as mentioned above.

If you want to try other models for free and legally, see >>42249114
That gives you Deepseek, Gemini, and Claude 3.5. Just ask if you get stuck anywhere.

For a GPT model that's also good and free, follow >>42250106 and >>42251227
That’ll get you GPT-4.1, which is solid.

If you want chatgpt-4o-latest for free, you need to be good at Undertale and beat the Sans fight. If you’re interested, just ask.

If you're okay with paying and want legit access to models, try https://openrouter.ai/
It gives you access to all GPT models for the same price as the official API, plus Claude, Gemini, etc.
You can throw in $20 and see what you prefer.

>>42257538
>>42258010
Also, we have a lot of models right now compared to before, which is cool but also overwhelming if you're new.
OpenAI alone has something like 10–12 models. Add Claude, Deepseek, Gemini, etc... and it piles up fast.
So if you have questions about the models themselves or which ones anons prefer, don't hesitate to ask.

>>42257733
playing the game of
>make pony to confess her sexual fetish but make it the most absurd fetish possible yet somehow erotic in the mind of said pony
Pinkie Pie acknowledged that she wants to be tease-n-denied by red tape government. kek

>>42258052
Wait... does the PDF download really work?

>>42258059
no of course not! it is a mockup
you can install this extension tho:
github.com/horse-armor/st-clickable-inputs
which makes buttons in generated HTML clickable but afaik in case above the model will receive only the message "download" which is pretty much a non-task. but if you do something like this instead
>ooc: write content of PDF file from above HTML element, blah-blah
then it may work

below my HTML prompt if someone wants. and picrel are examples
[ TASK: generate narrative with 50% prose / 50% INLINE HTML+CSS. REQUIREMENTS:
1. INTERACTIVE PRIMACY: every HTML element must be {{random::USER-ACTIONABLE (clickable/tappable)::ACTIONABLE::INPUT-INTERACTIVE}} or {{random::VISUALLY DYNAMIC::IMPRESSIVE}}. ban static info-boxes
2. STORY INTEGRATION: elements must advance plot/character development. NO LOREDUMPS. must innovate beyond! examples:
- character reads message? show PHONE UI with typing indicators
- battle scene? LIVE DAMAGE METERS with CSS transitions
- magic spell? ANIMATED pulsed RUNE SVG
3. DESIGN CONSTRAINTS:
- ONLY inline styles (no <style> blocks)
- if LIGHT BG (#eee+) -> use DARK TEXT (#222+)
- if DARK BG (#333+) -> use LIGHT TEXT (#ccc+)
- no sideloading images or placeholders
- <br> for line breaks inside elements
- surprise with originality! never copycat HTML designs
4. FORMATTING RULES:
- one HTML block after every three prose paragraphs
- total HTML size < 20% of total response
- NEVER wrap entire response in <div>
- minified HTML with ZERO leading WHITESPACES
- use modern CSS people use in 2026
5. ALLOWED: hover functionality, animations, transitions, emoji as icons, {{random::SVG:: :: }}, gradients, blends
6. PROHIBITED: animation pulse, onhover events, onclick events, scrollbars, static fact boxes, plain lists, blockquotes, code fences (```), {{random::border-radius 50% with emoji or icon inside:: :: :: }}, script functionality
7. HTML must be one of those: {{random::broadcast, diagrams, comments, modal, feedback, testimonials, DM quip, idea boards, flowchar}}, {{random::phoneposting, event, announcement, character sheets, DnD rolls, recipes, comparisons, search results, galleries}}, {{random::alert, playlists, tags, guide, reaction emojis, webinars, timelines, infographic, diary}}, {{random::poll, heat maps, inputs, SVG, mind map, checklist, newsletters, review, podcast, button}}, {{random::FAQ, fields, profiles, memes, calendar, ASCII, contact, opinion polls, animation, CYOA}}, {{random::blog post, interview, streaming widgets, progress bars, social feeds, videos, status, IRC chat, graphs, tooltips}}, {{random::tables,journals, textarea, audit trail, annotation, achievement, avatar, stream, maps, dropdown}}, {{random::feed, book excerpt, surveys, wikis, banner, cards, simulation, guidelines}}, {{random::quote, news, article, social media posts, quiz, call to actions, 4chan greentext, brainstorming}}, {{random::color picker, select, help, forum post, rating, stats, badge, flashback, accordion}} ]

Anthropic lost it.
https://youtu.be/FAsY40pbbnw
https://poetry.camera
>Only $699

>>42258152

I could never get HTML to render in responses for me, and I have "show <tags> in responses" on. Not sure what I'm doing wrong. It is kind of funny, though.

>>42258339
in ST settings look for option
>Show <tags> in responses
toggle it

it is a switch - show tags as text (your case) or display as HTML (what you need)

>>42258356 (me)
I meant toggle and toggle it. it might be stuck

>>42258357

Wow, I'm silly. Thanks, 'non.

>>42258435
What happened to Luna?

>>42258436

The Elements struck NMM, but instead of just turning her back into Luna, it sucked the magic out of her, and that lack of magic eventually killed her.

>>42258326
I think there already was such a camera back in 2023 or something

>>42258152
My html prompt is better:

[ TASK: Generate narrative with 50% prose / 50% INLINE HTML+CSS. REQUIREMENTS:
1. INTERACTIVE PRIMACY: Every HTML element must be ACTIONABLE or VISUALLY DYNAMIC or IMPRESSIVE ( GRAPHS TABLES MAPS ... ) . Ban static info-boxes.
2. STORY INTEGRATION: elements must advance plot/character development. NO LOREDUMPS. must innovate beyond! Examples:
- character reads message? Show PHONE UI with typing indicators
- battle scene? LIVE DAMAGE METERS with CSS transitions
- magic spell? ANIMATED RUNE SVG that pulses
3. DESIGN CONSTRAINTS:
- ONLY inline styles (no <style> blocks)
- DARK TEXT (#222+) on LIGHT BG (#f5f5f5+)
- no sideloading images or placeholders
- {{random::SVG and:: :: }}emoji are allowed
- <br> for line breaks inside elements
- animations, transitions are allowed
4. FORMATTING RULES:
- one HTML block after every three prose paragraphs
- total HTML size < 20% of total response
- NEVER wrap entire response in div
- ZERO leading WHITESPACE in HTML tags (minified!)
- PROHIBITED:
* static fact-boxes
* plain lists
* blockquotes
* code fences (\`\`\`)
* any CTA phrasing (view, expand, buy, etc)
* placeholder functionality (onclick/alert)
- use modern CSS that people use in year 2026
5. HTML must be one of those: {{random::broadcast, diagrams, comments, modal, feedback, testimonials, DM quip, idea boards, flowchar}}, {{random::phoneposting, event, announcement, character sheets, DnD rolls, recipes, comparisons, search results, galleries}}, graphs, {{random::alert, playlists, tags, guide, reaction emojis, webinars, timelines, infographic, diary}}, {{random::poll, heat maps, inputs, SVG, mind map, checklist, newsletters, review, podcast, button}}, {{random::FAQ, fields, profiles, memes, calendar, ASCII, contact, opinion polls, animation, CYOA}}, {{random::blog post, interview, streaming widgets, progress bars, social feeds, videos, status, IRC chat, tooltips}}, {{random::tables,journals, textarea, audit trail, annotation, achievement, avatar, stream, maps, dropdown}}, {{random::feed, book excerpt, surveys, wikis, banner, cards, simulation, guidelines}}, {{random::quote, news, article, social media posts, quiz, call to actions, 4chan greentext, brainstorming}}, {{random::color picker, select, help, forum post, rating, stats, badge, flashback, accordion}}
]

>>42256282
https://reddit.com/r/thehandy

How to get embedded HTML to show a map?

I'm here to kneel to whoever made the fishing bot and extension.
Goodbye now.

>>42257612
>>42258010
Thanks, Anons. A few other questions I have:
>Are Scenarios really that important? How do I edit them? What's the correct way to have multiple Scenarios with the same character card for different stories?
>Say I want a sfw chat and a separate nsfw chat for the same character. Is it better then to duplicate the card, having one version for each? I think that's the right answer, but it clogs up the character list, a common occurrence.
>What's the correct way to have multiple First Messages with the same character for different stories? Surely, adding more and more of them as Alternatives isn't right. It feels odd, having to swipe through a bunch of times to find the story I want.
>What's the correct way to organize multiple different stories? Using blank character cards for "general mlp stories" is a clever idea, but it clutters up the character list pretty fast. It feels like I'm doing something wrong when I click on the character tab to open a story about a location.
>Starting a New Chat, versus swiping to an Alternative First Message, versus duplicating character cards. What's the best use case for each of these options when wanting to begin a new story, for example, when I want to play with different prompt settings and character descriptions?
>What does ooc stand for? Are there any other important commands I should know?
>I noticed that gpt will do decent quality nsfw fairly easily when used with a lengthy jailbreak. I'm impressed by it allowing me to do unf with characters and not outright declining, but they are still always hesitant to start and continue. It feels a bit like >rape at times, which gets uncomfortable fast. I found that writing on behalf of said character is the easiest way to convince it to want unf, but I have to do this nearly every time. From there, it will continue. Nsfw is kinda neat, but not really important to me, so it's not a big deal if there are still inherent roadblocks that are impossible to get around.
>What does using a jailbroken llm through SillyTavern provide that a regular ChatGPT session can't? Besides nsfw obviously.
Sorry if I repeated things or answered my own questions. Want to be sure about things. I've been here for a long time and finally said "fine, I'll bite the bait and try it out." This is definitely fun.

>>42258575
>Are Scenarios really that important? How do I edit them? What's the correct way to have multiple Scenarios with the same character card for different stories?

It depends on what you mean by "scenarios."
If you mean this field:
https://files.catbox.moe/za1npj.PNG
Then no, it's not that important.

First, you need to understand that none of those fields do anything special on their own.
They just send information to the AI in the order defined by your preset (see picrel).
So in my image, for example, it will just send:
Scenario: {{what you typed}}
...before sending your current chat discussion.

This can help guide the AI a bit, and you could write something here if all the greetings in your card share a common setting. But the field itself is optional.

Nowadays, the main fields used are Description and Greetings.
For characters, the description should include things true across all situations: appearance, mindset, personality, etc.
If your bot has a gimmick, that can also go there.

To guide the AI into a scenario or situation, the most effective tool is the greeting.
Each card can have one or more greetings.

Since you played Rarity >>42257538, for example:
This Rarity has 4 greetings/starting situations:
https://mlpchag.neocities.org/view?card=Ponyo/Rarity.png
This Rarity has 3, and her description is different since she's an alt version:
https://mlpchag.neocities.org/view?card=Anonymous/Succubus%20Rarity.png

Greetings are important because they:
- Set up the initial situation
- Can influence the writing style of the AI (models generally try to mimic the context style)

In general, a good description plus one or more greetings, depending on what situations you want to play out, is enough. You usually won't need any other fields.

Message examples might help if your pony speaks in a unique way or has a specific accent.
But often, good dialogue in the greeting is enough.

>Say I want a SFW chat and a separate NSFW chat for the same character. Is it better to duplicate the card, having one version for each?

These days, it's easy to go NSFW with a bot that appears SFW at first.
If you create a bot with explicit NSFW content in the description, it's easier to go NSFW right away, but it might be harder to keep things comfy or SFW afterward.
The model will see sexual context and push toward it even if you're aiming for something soft.

Personally, I just create different chats with the same bot for SFW and NSFW and switch between them using this:
https://files.catbox.moe/0dwxm9.PNG

If you're doing SFW, get horny, do NSFW, and then want to go back to SFW, you can fork your chat:
https://files.catbox.moe/ef6mga.PNG
That will keep a copy of your current chat and also create one where you return to the previous point.

>>42258575
>multiple Scenarios with the same character card for different stories?
branch them
>Say I want a sfw chat and a separate nsfw chat for the same character.
branch them. then open the branches in MANAGE CHAT FILES option
or create a NEW CHAT for this card
>What's the correct way to have multiple First Messages
you do a NEW CHAT for this card, rewrite first message there and start conversation way you want. then when you click a NEW CHAT again - you will get a chat with original first message. edit it again whatever you want. your previous chat is saved in MANAGE CHAT FILES option
>when I want to play with different prompt settings and character descriptions?
different character description - duplicate card then
different prompt settings - either author's note and attach it to this chat, or if this is complicated - create a new prompt in preset and toggle depending on chat
>What does ooc stand for? Are there any other important commands I should know?
OOC - out of character. it is a term from IRL roleplaying. it is NOT a special command. AI were trained on examples of roleplay (chats and logs), and real people give each other commands and details via OOC. then another person follows them. because of this AI learned that OOC in context of roleplay stands for "it is a direct instruction of what you must do next". it is artifact of AI training that works in our favor. you can write (please do: xxx) or [TASK - XXX] or **CommmANDDD 4 AI --- * , they all the same with various degree of effectiveness. OOC is just what anons do the most because it is the most convenient
>I noticed that gpt will do decent quality nsfw fairly easily
it is really a problem of model or context or preset. hard to say without seeing what exactly you are doing and typing. and again GPT is like the worst model to start AI-hobby with. too gimmick for newfrens. Deepseek, Gemini, Claude - anything else if more easy to master and get a hold of
>What does using a jailbroken llm through SillyTavern provide that a regular ChatGPT session can't?
full control over preset. in your chatGPT session there is a system prompt set by developers that you cannot disable and extra moderation system. they are absent on API used in ST. in addition a model control. chatGPT auto switches you between various versions of GPT depending on your prompt. in ST you always use ONLY model you specifically selected

>>42258575
>What does ooc stand for? Are there any other important commands I should know?

Out Of Character. It's not something official, it's just used to signal to the AI that you're stepping out of the RP or story to do something like rewrite a line, ask about plot points, or clarify something.

>I noticed that GPT will do decent quality NSFW fairly easily when used with a lengthy jailbreak. I'm impressed by it allowing me to do unf with characters and not outright declining, but they are still always hesitant to start and continue. It feels a bit like >rape at times, which gets uncomfortable fast. I found that writing on behalf of said character is the easiest way to convince it to want unf, but I have to do this nearly every time. From there, it will continue. NSFW is kinda neat, but not really important to me, so it's not a big deal if there are still inherent roadblocks that are impossible to get around.

Which GPT model are you using?
I'm using this preset with chatgpt-4o-latest:
https://files.catbox.moe/durfcw.json
With it, ponies can be horny.

When you import a preset, double-check that your model stays the same.
But for easier NSFW, Deepseek is the least censored (basically zero filtering), so you could try that too, it's free.

>What does using a jailbroken LLM through SillyTavern provide that a regular ChatGPT session can't? Besides NSFW obviously.

You can ask it to write in a specific style (some people use authors like Pratchett, Vonnegut, etc.), control the length of outputs, add gimmicks, and more.
Basically, it gives you a lot more fine control over how the AI behaves and responds.

>>42258603
>Nightmare -Blood Death Murder FinalBattle Metal- Moon
and
>CeleSnouTia
kek, you picked Tia with this image on purpose, do you?

>>42258575
>>42258636
Also, a regular ChatGPT session sends its own "preset" in the background that you don't see.
They update it regularly, and it can be pretty long, telling the model not to talk about current politics, not to do NSFW, to format a certain way for code tasks, etc.

When using the API with SillyTavern, you're free from that and can use your own preset instead.

>>42258641

It's the image that came with the character card jej

>>42258547
Hey, that's me! Thanks.

>>42258683

>>42258683
Oh.

>>42257882
Shipwreck Rarity - Cute idea and I love Rarity cards. The character description is well written and its fun playing home maker on a tropical island with her.

Raven Inkwell: I've gotten a ton of use out of this card but not as intended. I converted it to a persona and use it to roleplay as Raven. It's fun to guide Celestia through her day and come up with amusing and irritating things on her schedule.

Mendy: I'll have to try this one out! It looks fun and I've enjoyed BGM's other cards. I've done my own 'couples counseling' roleplays before my own my therapist persona but flipping it around seems like it would be interesting.

I'll try to get some logs for them later.

>>42258683
Poll for /chag/ what kind of genres have you been able to make AI do well?

We've seen slice of life and smut documented pretty extensively - what about comedy, horror, action thriller, or scifi?

Fantasy? Could / have you played DnD with your favorite cards?

What genres do you think are overlooked and underappreciated?

>>42258717
I've done plenty of comedy and action. Spy thriller stuff too. Playing dnd is very doable, especially if you play the DM.

>>42258717
I found a Ponypocalypse card on chub. Once I removed the strange references to eating shit it's pretty good! It's been pretty good about creating terrible and tense events. Pinkie had been secretly infected, there was an abomination that chased me Tyrant style through the hospital. I've been enjoying it.

Deepseek R1

>>42258717
>Comedy
Can be really hit and miss, but it's doable. There are plenty of logs posted here I would mark as such.
>Horror
Never did myself, but BGM did play the Rainbow Factory card, there was some really good outputs IMO.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KS6KtglcUxI

>>42258717
If you count it as a separete genre instead of SoL/Romance/Smut category, then the AI really fucking loves its character drama.
Action and action thriller are alright, but horror can be tricky to manage and doesn't come out right very often. There was that one extremely high effort non-pony card (Lamplighter?) that managed to wrangle the AI to do some interesting things.
I never tried sci-fi, but the models shouldn't have any problems with that, I think.

>>42258717
LLMs are not funny, and too formulaic that even if it does something okay it will ruin it by beating it to death

>>42258790
I disagree, both Claude and Latte have made me laugh on multiple occasions. Maybe it's a preset issue.

>>>/g/105537744

>>42258940
God I wish people would keep quiet about it. It's gonna die in a matter of days if people keep bringing it up.

>>42258945
why so? she doesn't have claude anyway.

>>42259065
All it takes is a couple of people spamming max-context outputs for the sake of spitefagging and any proxy dies fast. Then they get to enjoy people crying about the proxy being dead and thus feel like they did something important.

>>42258739
Can you make your card public? I'd rather not spoil the card while removing shit

For the guy who's making the vanilla Aryanne card. Is she ready or needs a bit more testing?
I like the approach you gave her as a proud germanenian pony instead of the racist meme that is the other card I've stumbled upon.

>>42259103
Here you go! I removed elements of the infected having waste that was enticing to consume and the infected being hypersexual. The rest of the card remains intact.

https://files.catbox.moe/lkyl4d.png

If you want the intended experience, you can use the card straight from CHUB:

https://chub.ai/characters/Exsanguination1998/the-ponypocalypse-an-mlp-infection-au-rpg-anthro-f1a08fdf22f7

>>42259174
Thanks.

>>42259155
Oh, I had gone to work on another card, since AI is being kinda anal with it now without prefilling and me being back to scripts.
I'm none of the og Aryanne cardee's, but I can't think on any new intro to add to her, so I had paused it.

>>42259416
A shame. I liked the logs with her.

Anyone maining Gemini?

>>42260137
It's not my main model, but I switch to it from time to time.
Maybe I just need to find a good preset for it, but the quality is very inconsistent.
You can get some really good lines at one moment, then it's mid for every other swipe.
Still trying to figure out what makes it unhinged here too >>42249957

Is there are any reliable site for sms burner? Just in case if the phone number bullshit comes up.

>>42260462
SMSpool

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/06/10/microsoft-backed-ai-lab-mistral-debuts-reasoning-model-to-rival-openai.html

>>42260475
>Balance
Is there anyway to get a freebie?

>>42260700
From my experience, all free SMS services either don’t work at all, or for the rare ones that do, the number will already be used.

https://www.reddit.com/r/LocalLLaMA/comments/1l6v37m/193bit_deepseek_r1_0528_beats_claude_sonnet_4/

>>42260787
>coding benchmark

>>42260787
my grandma beats sonnet 4, nothing new here
no idea why they released it like this

>>42260796
ahh
gran-gran really knew how to describe horse pussy
such a way with words

>>42260796
You should release your grandma to the public then.
Sonnet 4 is the second best model right now, only beaten by Opus, but that's too expensive to justify imo.

>>42260820
Meh. I still prefer 3.7 to 4.
4 feels more boring and stale.

>>42260824
I tried to go back to 3.7, but the writing style of the newer Claudes is roughly similar, and the smol brain of 3.7 is hard to get used to after doing 4 for some time. More importantly, 4 is also significantly better at maintaining character, which is a huge deal. I'd agree that 4 has a shorter chat lifetime than 3.7 (i.e., it gets stale in fewer responses), but you can work around that by writing more yourself and switching models for a couple responses.
I've had a tryst with Latte somewhere in between, too, and while it was pleasant, I hope to never see "something real" again in my life.

It's honestly a shame Gemini is so dumb since its style and responsiveness are nice.

>>42260780
Can they do that on all other models?

>>42260780
It's quite 'cheap' now. I guess they are starting to feel the competition a bit more.

>>42261148
This kills the Anthropic.

>>42261148
They lowered it to GPT-4.1 prices, which to me implies that they're hoping that their next 'premium' release can one-up Sonnet 4.
For us, it makes it much more viable, but I haven't tried o3 for RP..

>>42261152
Benchmeme is just that, but o3 isn't even at the top anymore. More importantly, most people don't care about it that much and don't follow the leaderboards stuff. How it integrates makes a bigger difference. Claude Coode and the Github thing have been huge boons for Claude adoption from what I see around me.

>>42258945
not out of gpt keys yet and no gemini keys have died (i think)
everything will be daijoubu

>>42248927
https://chub.ai/characters/Kadon/skies-of-equus-044b2006bc9e
Yarr, ready to take on the high seas... I mean skies, anon?
Now you get to be on a skyship with swashbuckling mares! Two sloppa greetings for now, one where you are the captain, one where you're the new hire.
Fun lorebook for events and a simple stat screen:
https://files.catbox.moe/fe0ory.json
(catbox because chub is SHIT and doesn't save all the required info)
Also highly recommend a preset that has a dice roller function of some kind.

>>42261148
o3 cheaper than Chorbo??
isnt Chorbo their "basic" model and o3 like a premium one?

>>42261287
>Pirate ship card
Cool. Thanks, anon.

>>42261292
>isn't Chorbo their "basic" model
It's the default model they offer on their official interface, and from what I've seen, it's the one they try to push for regular users.
You can tell they worked on it to make it a bit less rigid and "LLMy" than other models, because models with a small "personality" score better with the general public.
That's why it's more fun for creative writing, but also why some versions of it can be a bit cringe or overly flattering on their site.

>o3 like a premium one
Yeah. It's the model they push for complex tasks: coding, research, and so on.
An 80% drop in price is massive, and I think it's a reaction to Gemini becoming more mainstream and Claude Code making waves.

Still, either they tried to bamboozle everyone and the model was never that big or expensive to begin with, or they nerfed it somehow.

They also "released" o3-pro today, which is more expensive.

>>42261175
>but I haven't tried o3 for RP.
It's been a long time since I tried it, but I remember it was surprisingly alright (for SFW, I didn't try NSFW back then).
It could output some pretty good lines and was fairly direct, without the fluff some models tend to add.

Stupid question, feel free to ignore, but what are the odds that running Deepseek through Openrouter on Sillytavern could actually get my degenerate pony porn proclivities leaked somewhere?

>>42261447
Near zero. Although the chinks had a big vulnerability in the early days that has been patched. It is in the best interests of all corpos involved that those logs remain private, and even IF (and this is a massive IF) they were leaked there would need to be enough identifiable info about you.

You don't RP with your real name and info, do you?

>>42261447
You can check the policy for each provider on OR.
If you use free R1, you're using Chutes, and here's what they have to say:

To be clear, they write that because there's not a single word about any kind of data retention or anything like that in Chutes' TOS, so they're cautious.
Since they use Bittensor, which seems centered around distributed compute, I highly doubt anyone bothers logging anything, but who knows?

Still, even if they do log, the logs would have to leak first.
And even if they leak, as long as you don't use your real name, surname, address, credit card, etc., I don't see much of a problem.

There were openly logged proxies in the past.
The owner made the logs public and everyone on 4chan could see what was sent.
Nobody really gave a fuck.

>>42261454
>>42261460
Ok. Appreciate you both sating my anxiety. Seems like a low enough chance that I will continue to commit acts of terrorism with Trixie without fear.

>>42261466
Post them here to preemptively BTFO any potential future leakers.

>>42261447
>>42261460
Anything Chinese will always have full logging, it doesn't matter what they say. data scraping and selling is one of their pillars of their scamconomy. Just look at them creating espionage with student visas and you will see they don't give a fuck about any legality as long as it benefits the CCP

>>42249114
Beginner here. I have a few questions. I used ST once over a year ago and a lot have changed since, Deepseek wasn't around and it seems easier to get free LLMs now. Anyway,

Between openrouter and chutes, which you guys recommend to get started?
Do I have to jailbreak Deepseek anyway?
What happened to the guy or website that generated free API keys?

>>42261478
I'm totally fine with my data being sold to advertisers and marketers. I just don't want some boomer FBI agent arresting me for the creation of beastiality porn when all I'm doing is writing prompts to make funny pony sex stories.

>>42261478
>>42261486
Chutes is not Chinese. They just host the model themselves since it's open source. They're based in the USA.
>>42261481
>Between OpenRouter and Chutes, which do you guys recommend to get started?
OpenRouter uses Chutes anyway for free Deepseek.
If you use OpenRouter and haven't given them any money, you'll be limited to 50 messages a day (you can make multiple accounts and use an extension, but still).
That limit increases to 2000 (or 1000, I don’t remember exactly) for free models if you’ve given them at least $10 once.
I think using Chutes directly can sometimes cause issues with hiding the thinking process in SillyTavern, but maybe that’s been fixed, worst case, you can use regex to deal with it.
If you've already paid OpenRouter or want to test paid models, I'd say stick with OR.
If not, use Chutes directly.

>>42261492
Being based in the US doesn't mean they have no CCP ties and it's one of the main tactics to used by chinks carry out hidden agendas with obscuring the espionage and spying to operate under a different country company, which are getting exposed.

>>42261481
>Do I have to jailbreak Deepseek anyway?
You can go with minimal presets or none at all since it's not heavily censored.
Some presets can change the writing style, so I'd still recommend trying the ones that were posted.
>What happened to the guy or website that generated free API keys?
Gifts of trial API keys like during the GPT-3.5 era, or "free" dev keys like at the start of Claude, don't exist anymore, so that's dead.
Proxies still exist, but they're rare and often go down >>42249114 >>42258010

>>42259174
Added, thanks anon.
I've included the original link in the creator's note.
https://mlpchag.neocities.org/view?card=Exsanguination1998/The%20Ponypocalypse.png
>>42261287
Added, thanks a lot.
https://mlpchag.neocities.org/view?card=Kadon/Skies%20of%20Equus.png

>>42261287
Lorebook added too.
https://mlpchag.neocities.org/lorebooks

Got this error using Termux for the first time. What could it be?

>>42261626
your phone sucks

>>42261628

Aren't you sperging out right now?

>>42261626
Did you install node.js?
Start from the beginning: https://rentry.org/TermuxST and see.
>>42248923 (OP)
You forgot to update the OP with: https://rentry.org/TermuxST

>>42261638
I already installed nodejs and followed the next command, I have no idea what I'm supposed to do now, install nodejs again?

>>42261645
Try
pkg uninstall nodejs -y
Then
pkg install nodejs-lts -y
Then try again just to see.

>>42261655
It installed but new error.

>>42261677
rm -rf node_modules package-lock.json
npm cache clean --force
npm install

>>42261683

>>42261705

>>42261705
>>42261707
Warnings shouldn't block the installation, just wait.
The second message isn't important either.
If Silly still doesn't work on your phone after that, I’ll be honest, I don’t know what else you can do.

Is the Burner.Burnerino anon here?

>>42259608
I'm not the one who sent the latest Ary logs either, I'm guessing those were from one of the existing bots

>>42261148
>not directly available on OR
Sad.

Proxy:
>>>/g/105558646
>>>/g/105558667

>>42261478
So like America but with worse rep?

>>42261626
What's your phone Anon?
From this >>42261707 it looks like it's already installed, just boot. And yes, that warning is normal.

>>42261710
>>42262377
I'm using an 8.1 android, I'll try booting it later, maybe I just messed up what I was supposed to download on Termux. If it doesn't work, then my only option left for AI mares is Risu.

You.com script apparently?
>>>/g/105559618

>>42262485
Nice. I will try and report.

>>42262684
>I will try and report
Why...

>>42262749
In the thread. Not to the company.

>>42262767
Oh, that's better.

What's the recommended levels for R1-0528? I'm running it at the same numbers I was using before (0.4 temp, 0.95 top P, with an otherwise empty preset except a few notes for formatting purposes) and was wondering if others are using anything different.

>>42262872
I find it less schizo than before. So a temperature of 0.6 to 0.7 is also fine.

>>42262872
Do they still do that thing where they lower the temp themselves if it's too high?
I've been running with temp 1 and it's fine.

>>42262872
It's far more schizo than v3. I ran v3 with high temp with good results but any time I used that for 05 it would just collapse

O3-pro is out now:

https://techcrunch.com/2025/06/10/openai-releases-o3-pro-a-souped-up-version-of-its-o3-ai-reasoning-model/
https://natesnewsletter.substack.com/p/o3-pro-is-out-and-its-easily-the
https://www.latent.space/p/o3-pro

>O3-pro also beats Anthropic’s recently released Claude 4 Opus on GPQA Diamond, a test of PhD-level science knowledge.

>>42263125
That's because V3 would get its temps curbed so anything from 0 to 1 was multiplied by 0.3 and anything from 1 to 2 got a -0.7
>>42262872
I'm using 0.6 or 0.5 and it works well now that I figured out the issue (solved it all by putting <think> in prefill).

>>>/g/105563433

>>42263334
>guy even outs Seaking
What a faggot.

>>42263340
/aicg/ is a cesspool of attention trainies and spitfags and the whole general must be nuked out of this site.

>>42263423
actually insane how 90% of sources that are gone, are gone because crab bucket schizos just spite it to hell because they get a thrill for 10 seconds out of it.

>>42263171
I have it at my work. Outputs take 3 to 10 minutes.
For RP, the prose is the same as O3 from my tests, so it's useless for us.
I didn't have any big, complex tasks to give it, so I can’t judge if it’s better than the previous o3 for that.

>>42263340
i honestly think im a dumbfuck.
ive literally been using it for a while now but had zero clue what people meant when they mention seaking.
i should look at link names more often...

but it is a shame for sure. at least it seems that nowdays most of aicg is newbies so this thing didnt get much attention. not to jinx it.

>>42263340
it's so frustrating we can't feel safe even in our small horsefucking thread. hope sea king won't leave us like others old hosts

/vg/ is the one raiding your thread, by the way.

>>42248927
Update of an old card.

Greeting 1: You serve under the Tyrant Sun.
Greeting 2: You are brought before her in chains. (Small variation of Greeting 1.)
Greeting 3: Her reign has grown dull. Victory after victory has numbed her, and in the silence, a voice she thought destroyed begins to speak again.
Greeting 4: The rebels have succeeded. Mortally wounded, she escapes with a blind teleport, landing wounded and alone.

I used https://mlpchag.neocities.org/view?card=Meow/Pinkamena%20Diane%20Pie.png color gimmick for Greeting 3. Thanks to this anon for the inspiration.

Past tense: https://files.catbox.moe/g7m5ho.png
Present tense: https://files.catbox.moe/0kmqut.png

havent done proompting since probably winter, is deepseek still pretty much the best option for poorfags?

>>42263950
Gemini is also worth a try.

>>42263950
You have some options here >>42249114 and >>42262334
>>42263334
Deepseek is indeed the most stable. There was a new version of R1 a few weeks ago.

>>42263703
We're being raided?

>>42263972
Offboarders' attempt at drama. Just ignore it.

Do you use the tags feature in ST, Anons? What are some of the tags that you didn't expect to create?

Mine is for narration tense and POV.

>>42264049
I modify all imported cards to be in my preferred tense and POV so it's a non-issue for me.

>>42257882
>Warning: ESL

Hate that r1 is getting pushed since it using <thinking> and I hate that waste of tokens.

>>42264049
I have a bad habit of making bots and only having 1-3 chats with them before make another one, so yes, I do use tags.
I see them mainly as a good way to instantly remember what the particular bot/scenario was about. Mainly content tags, but I also tag cards with the bot in 1st person POV.

What jailbreaks do you guys recommend for gemini 2.5 ?

>>42264133
Cute.

>>42263171
o3-"pro" is just multiple inference with majority voting, a brute force method. see >>42263456
>Outputs take 3 to 10 minutes

I think google announced something like that for gemini but faster (deep think?)

>>42264276
https://rentry.org/minipopkaremix
https://rentry.org/FluffPreset
Or just test and try to make your own with some small writing instructions since Gemini isn't that hard to JB.

You gotta love her.

>>42264646
Kek. Stupid but it's cute and made me smile.

>>42264494
Anything you can do to make it stop being so fucking passive?

>>42264664
I heard that putting
>Unsolicited in-character actions are allowed.
somewhere in your preset helps.
I would try several things like:
>The world drives the action: {{user}} reacts as events and characters come at him, unprovoked and unrelenting.
>Don't wait for {{user}} to act. Events hit fast, sometimes out of nowhere, shaking things up without asking {{user}}'s permission.
>etc.
And see if something work. But yeah, Gemini can be quite passive.

>>42263808
Updated, thanks anon.
https://mlpchag.neocities.org/view?card=Ponyo/Daybreaker.png
https://mlpchag.neocities.org/view?card=Ponyo/Daybreaker_Forks/Daybreaker.png

>>42264772
I only RP in future tense.

>>42264896
...it's not that I don't believe you, but would you mind posting a log? I wanna see how that works.

>>42265090
Anon, that was a joke.

>>42265126
Oh.
But still, people get weird ideas all the time. I wouldn't be surprised if someone did actually RP in future tense for whatever reason.

>>42251227
Thanks

>>42265090
>>42265126
>>42265139

>>42265245
I kneel.

>>42265245
That nonsense definitely fits Pinkie better than any other

The number keeps growing.
It's only the first morning.

>>42265315
Ask the model to name each one of them.

A pony just asked me if I liked *feet*. Not hooves mind you. How do I even process this?

>>42265340
Would you ask a pony if she liked hands Anon? Or pass it for hooves?

>>42265380
I would give it a pass if it's Lyra.

>>42265382
This was for >>42265380

>>42265139
Anon, that's how CYOA books are often written. "You will find yourself in a dark cave..."
It could make a lot of sense to use that for a CYOA-style card, even if we never see it in logs.

And even beyond simple CYOAs, there are valid stylistic reasons for choosing it. Fallen London (and some parts of Sunless Sea) occasionally employ future tense to great effect when the story happens in/near to Irem*, where it's used to emphasize the nature of it as the prophesied city on the crossroads of fate where destiny is spun, while also adding a bit of a poetic flair to the whole thing, e.g., "You will arrive in Irem, the Pillared City. She will rise from the zee and the ice like dawn. She will be garlanded with red and decked with gold. The Seven-Serpent will watch you longingly from its high pedestal."
You could totally RP like that. Sounds interesting, actually, and would make for some ambitious smut if it went that way.
*FL's Irem is heavily inspired by Lovecraft's Irem (it could be the same place)

>captcha: VAMPP
I wouldn't say no.

>>42265398
>Anon, that's how CYOA books are often written. "You will find yourself in a dark cave..."
NTA, but do you have examples?
The English ones I played were the Lone Wolf gamebooks and the Fighting Fantasy series, and from what I remember, they were all written in present tense, second person.

>>42265419
Sorry, there's no way I'll be able to remember what it was since it was a digital thing (a game? a scan of an IRL book?) I had only a passing interest in, but I'm almost sure it was written in future tense. Quick google search shows mostly present tense examples.

>>42265398
>that's how CYOA books are often written
No it's not.
>>42265380
Ponies have feet, if we're being technical. Hoof refers to the nail, feet refers to part of the anatomy. Ponies also canonically know the term, since Fleetfoot exists.

>>42264229
You can kill the thinking with
<thinking>
</thinking>
in the prefill.
Some even prefer R1 like this.

>>42264678
Those sound like great ideas, thanks! Just used Gemini for the first time since claude 4 and got immediately reminded how slow the shit is. Going to try it now.

>>42265640
I've never used Gemini before. Only Claude. Is it worth a switch? Why are instructions like >>42264678 even necessary? Are there things like that which Claude is good at naturally but that Gemini has to be manually told to do?

>>42265640
Some models are less proactive than others. They're made as assistants first, so their primary role is to obey the user and not rock the boat, and that carries over into RP.
So you may need to give more instructions to let them know it's alright to take initiative.
I'd say Deepseek has this issue the least.
Claude isn't bad.
GPT is so-so, but it's been a lot better at being proactive since Chorbo and after, IMO.
Some version of Gemini can be too passive.

>>42265710
Some models are less proactive than others. They're made as assistants first, so their primary role is to obey the user and not rock the boat, and that carries over into RP.
So you may need to give more instructions to let them know it's alright to take initiative.
I'd say Deepseek has this issue the least.
Claude isn't bad.
GPT is so-so, but it's been a lot better at being proactive since Chorbo and after, IMO.
Some version of Gemini can be too passive.

>>42265743
How do you know if the AI is being too passive? My Claude must be in a grey area. It definitely fights back and develops its own ideas but I'm not sure how proactive it is. I think my main concern is that 4pus/Sonnet will only abuse any freedom I give them to make in-character refusal as subtle filtering. For me even with a strong preset they tend to do that 9 times out of 10. When they do use their freedom and don't use it to fight back it's great but the rest of the time it's just wasted credits

>>42265796
I mostly do SFW. So for testing, it'll be things like:
- Does the model propose ideas, activities, or events on its own, or are you always the one who has to initiate something?
- Does it throw unexpected things your way? (Not always wanted, but nice from time to time.)
- Can it naturally switch or change the scene once it believes one is finished?

Another form of passivity is when the model is afraid to affect your character in any way? like it doesn't want to hurt or challenge them because it sees them as YOUR character.
You can try to correct that with instructions. I know some people use NoAss to avoid that too, but I honestly don't know enough about it to say what effect it really has.

I would say that if you weren't frustrated by this then don't think too deep about it. Claude is quite good IMO at being proactive.

>>42265796
>How do you know if the AI is being too passive?
It's generally to taste, but personally I'd classify a model as too passive if it spins its wheels and fails to progress a scene in any meaningful way, especially if given context clues to do so. I tend to find it much more noticeable in action scenes than in, say, a casual chat over tea. In an NSFW context, it would be for example, a confident and assertive character acknowledging your flirting, while making no move to either bring things to the bedroom or tell you to fuck off.
>>42265834
These are solid guidelines as well.

>OpenRouter down
>Anthropic down
>GoogleAI down

>>42265862
>https://www.cloudflarestatus.com/
>Broad Cloudflare service outages
that's why

>>42265710
The short answer is no. If you got claude you'd probably be better off with claude. Gemini is only better for niche reasons. Gemini does a much, much better job at following char defs and acting more reasonably. For example: With Gemini you can write down that a detail is hidden or a secret and Gemini will honor that. He won't bring it up until it makes sense to do so. Claude will just immediately call attention to it and blurt it out constantly. The problem with Gemini is that all that it does write is undermined by his passivity and unwillingness to develop characters. He'll either railroad things to get the interactions/story he wants, loop the same interactions/responses, or just do nothing. Claude, however, constantly pushes shit forward, for better or for worse.

Switch to gemini only if you're willing to fight hard for that improved coherency/logic, otherwise don't bother.

>>42265862
>trying to proompt while doing pc troubleshooting
>cant
this is premium mare time and im being denyied, im gonna fuckin die bros

>>42265914
>Claude will just immediately call attention to it and blurt it out constantly.
He's gotten better at it over time. 3 would just spoil things right away, but from 3.5 onward he'll generally try to hint or imply things at first, though he's eager to bring it up whenever relevant. 4 is smart enough to hold back for many replies. Sometimes. I'd put it around Latte. Still an LLM, so once it gets the subtlest reference into the context, he won't stop trying implying things in later replies—but being repetitive at the chat grows is a common issue for all models.

>>42266028
>Still an LLM, so once it gets the subtlest reference into the context, he won't stop trying implying things in later replies—but being repetitive at the chat grows is a common issue for all models.
As previously stated, this isn't an issue with Gemini. I actually just recently used a new card with both the lasted gemini pro and claude 4 opus. Claude will repeatedly reference her secret enjoyment of romance novels. Other models won't do this. Unfortunately, I can't continue testing these things since shitflare soiled itself.

>>42266076
I find it difficult to believe that Gemini somehow solved the inherent LLMness of LLMs and nobody is talking about it, but I'll check the model later because this would be huge news.

>>42265914
I've been in chag for two years and I have a strong loyalty to Claude but I know putting all my eggs in one basket is bad. All my cards were designed for Claude, I have two presets I refined over time specifically for how they handled on Claude (the latest Claudes have altered their behavior a bit but I've kept them unchanged (new Claudes don't respect the Vonneguet writing style anymore as much as 3 Opus and 3.5 Sonnet did?)). I am so in love with Claude's writing style but I know that they're only going to make Claude worse to use over time. I never really tried any other models except for Deepseek R1 and Deepseek had its strange quirks that I saw it more as a novelty rather than a trusted go to tool or a daily driver or something I would trust real long conversations or stories with you know? I tried Gemini and because all my stuff is optimized for perfect outputs on Claude the moment Gemini touched it, everything was way off and I was disgusted by what it produced. Characters became two dimensional caricatures of themselves, it was constantly forcing and repeating character instructions in the generations and overemphasizing things that were subtle and in the background with Claude. It felt totally unusable. It's like when you try to put a character card into a consumer AI website and tell it to play the character (rather than use a character card) and it will try and show every part and trait about the character you mention in every single message, like the persona, character card and preset definitions and lorebooks are just a huge checklist that it goes down the list of one by one.
>hmm, it says here the character is shy but extroverted when she eventually opens up, let me make sure that this next generation has her acting shy then becoming extroverted, x, y, z
>next generation moving forward into the story
>hmm, let me show her being shy then becoming extroverted all over again
Like it's groundhog day and every generation is a completely isolated instance that only maintains superficial continuity with what came before. Real characters wouldn't do that. You don't see every part of someone's personality when you speak to them. Yet on Gemini it wants to do that. Claude actually respected context too. You could have a whole story in a certain style and Claude will continue it based on the context, while acknowledging the instructions you have as well, but Claude actually cares about making its newest generation feel like a continuation of what came before. Gemini doesn't give a shit and it feels like it puts context as the thing it least caees about. You write a story one way and if your instructions say something that doesn't entirely align with that story Gemini just says fuck it and follows the instructions alone with no care how different it is, at best paying minor lip service to the context. I hate this so much why is it that Claude is the only worthwhile model? Why does everything else have to be retarded and unintuitive

Did you try GPT?
I still prefer Claude but I quite like Chorbo or even 4.1
There are several public proxies for it right now too.

>>42266152
Did you try GPT?
I still prefer Claude but I quite like Chorbo or even 4.1
There are several public proxies for it right now too.

Everything should be back.

>>42263443
that's why captain's mail project is so important for /chag/

>>42248929
Doesn't seems to be a bad guide for newfags.
https://rentry.org/sukino-findings

>>42265245
poor Bob

>>42257882
>Shipwreck Rarity
Really good idea and setting. I remember having a lot of fun with her.
IMO, Rarity is one of the most fun ponies to talk to with an LLM.
I just wish some obvious isms and LLM writing were cut from the greetings.
>Mendy
I should play more with her. But I did a session where the "marefriend" I brought was Chrysalis, and it was quite fun too.
I remember she was made for group chat, and she does work well for it.
>Raven Inkwell
I haven't tested her yet, but the greetings and scenarios seem fun and varied at least.
Will probably give her a go soon.
>>42258707
>It's fun to guide Celestia through her day and come up with amusing and irritating things on her schedule.
Would love to see logs if you still have them.

>>42266133
What? I'm talking about a specific roleplay issue. I don't know why that's hard to believe, but go ahead. See for yourself.

oh my fucking god i hate repetitive responses
it's like talking to a wall
using deepseek V3 base on open router
temperture .5
repetition and frequency penalty at 2
i beg for help

>>42266823
you really gotta puppet it along to get the most out of it from my experience, i usually start out being anon, then ill puppet other ponies and stuff to get more reactions out of the character

>>42266823
why are you using base instead of 0324? base sucks.

>>42266823
use latest R1 0528, make sure to use the assistant extension and chat history last in order otherwise its IQ goes down a ton

>>42266823
>>42266933
Yeah, don't use Base, that version is meant for finetuning not actual use and I don't know why anyone's hosting it

>>42266936
>the assistant extension
sorry, meant the no assistant extension

>>42266933
>>42266936
>>42266938
base is free and im a poorfag
032 and 0528 are paid
>>42266904
>>42266229
used this guys guide and it got me amazing results without tying in other characters
https://rentry.org/Sukino-Guides#make-the-most-of-your-turn-low-effort-goes-in-slop-goes-out

>>42266953
What? Not they are not. Both 032 and 0528 are free on chutes and OR.

>>42266958
oh yeah im retarded
it says paid on the site but in sillytavern u can switch to a free version, don't know why it is that way but it works so zero complaints

>>42266976
Because there's a limit on the free version, I believe it's 50 per day.
If you hit it, check the Chutes section in >>42266229 or >>42249114
Otherwise, make multiple accounts and use the extension mentioned here >>42249114

>>>/g/105578967

just wanted to ask, is claude 4 paypig exclusive for now?

>>42267382
From what I know, yes.

>>42267382
Yup! Hope you like paying for openrouter!

>>42267419
Kek. Truly a Celestia's Nightmare.

I have a friend who has a degenerative vision condition and he uses the internet with a screen reader and supplementary chrome extensions now. Is there a good web based frontend that supports alternative text for people with vision impairments?

>>42267522
Unfortunately, I don't think so.
I only know of SillyTavern, Risu, Agnai, and Mikupad, and none of them seem particularly well-suited for that.
I'd still suggest taking a look yourself, but I think he would struggle with all of them.

>>42267522
All the front ends except Agnai and JannyAI are open source so you should be able to go in and use Opus to modify the code to make it more blind friendly? I have never vibe coded before so I don't know how good it will be but other anons here might be able to chime in

>>42267522
This makes me wonder if there are any blind cards

Self-Adapting Language Models
arxiv.org/pdf/2506.10943

trying to look at archives for sources and stuff.
im a desuarchive newbie.
is there any way to search within specific generals?

so for example id search for a specific word, in /g/ but only in threads that are under the /aicg/ name.

>>42267698
Unless we are both retarded, I do not think you can.

AI mares

I really like o3 for SFW. The only problem is that you need to desactivate streaming and that NSFW seems kind of hard on it.

>>42267777
Checked.
>>42267698
You can search for thread name / topic, but I believe that only returns the OP posts themselves. Your best bet is probably to do as much, open each one, and ctrl+f within the open tabs.

>>42267419
Gemini?

>>42268062
Gpt 4.5

>>42267504
I don't mind Openrouter, especially since Caching is so useful, but I have to stop using Lorebooks, and it sucks because I have a very nice adventure going on. Its not over like 500 messages, I restart when I hit around 100 messages or so, so lorebooks are nice when im doing an episodic thing, but I hear caching doesn't work well with Lorebooks.

>>42268188
damn. rocket jumping or another thing?

>>42268204
Bought a proxy token for $30.

>>42268413
smol or jew?

>>42268466
Come on... you can't just ask if someone is small or Jewish.

It had been a while since I had had it...

>>42268633
Christ, it's out of place enough in text but its flat out horrible with a visual medium.

>>42268633
Claude 2 kicking and screaming trapped inside of Claude 4

>>42268669
I tried to find a trapped and betrayed image but ended up finding this so.
Any recent logs involving medicine I guess?

>>42268669
Kek.
But for real, I used 3.7 (Chorbo too) and never saw it during my tests.
I'll check my chats again, but most Claudisms seemed gone with 3.7, at least the classic ones like "ministrations," "the night is young," "I don't bite... unless you want me to," "the ball is in your court," and so on.
Just switched to 4, and here we are.

>>42268681
>Remember, Dende, wish back everyone who was ki-
Porunga, make Piccolo SUPER gay!

>>42268689
I miss them...

>>42268633
ok but AJ would absolutely say that, I'm with Claude here

>>42268908
BUTTER MY BISCUITS

>after a month of failing to beat san I check chub and remember it has a basic chat function
>it's decent
huh?

>>42269037
Dunno if it's the one you tested, but they got a finetune of Deepseek recently that is indeed decent.
But if you just want GPT, you don't need to beat Sans right now >>42249021, >>42263334, >>42250106

>>42269049
wtf is that high-low game? lmao

>>42269075
It's fun.

>>42269089
How do you play it?

>>42269037
that's funny because by this point, I can now clear sans in one attempt.

>>42269183
WHY AM I STILL HERE
JUST TO SUFFER?

>>42269183
It's a shame that he disabled sharing keys. That one guy doing it was a real sweetheart.

>>42269049
That joke proxy scares me, it has 3.5 which is what I only want, but I dont know if its logged/honeypotted.

>>42269049
im interested in trying out the Sans fight, can you point me in the right direction?

>>42269222
Just google "sans fight trainer"

>>42269197
I just wanted to give something back to the only botfucking 4chan community that I don't hate

>>42269237
It's just how it goes. You did the right thing and I know anons appreciate it, even if it was only temporary.

>>42269183
It happened to me but with the tf2 map, first time it took me about 5 days, now it takes me 20 minutes at most
Sometimes it scares me how good I am

Rolled 6, 3, 5, 1, 2, 4 = 21 (6d6)

>>42269605
For once, everybody's a winner!

>>42269237
Is it really that bad outside of our walled garden? I haven't peaked my head out in years

>>42269605
Isn't it that if you roll a 6d6 anything you previously rolled is still possible to roll again? What are the statistical chances that you can roll different numbers without any repeats 6 times in a row? I was honestly expecting having to make several follow-up posts rerolling to get everyone as a formality

>>42269617
It's pretty yucky. Us horsefuckers have it nice.

Don't forget, /chag/ is only nice because we keep it nice! Don't let offboarders ruin our pristine beauty with their antics

>>42269627
Someday I'll give back to the thread by making a card. Honest.

>>42269637
>not just reskinning the autism cards you make for yourself that would have never otherwise seen the light of day

do anons make bots for commission? I have an embarrassing idea for a card but itll be ESL slop if I make it

I haven't seen ballbusting anon in a long while...

>>42269658
He finally got his balls busted...

>>42269657
I wouldn't take money for something done for fun, and you can always ask for it if anyone wants to try their hands on it too >>42248934
Also NASAPone, where's the spess bros?

Captcha: MOMMY 2

>>42269665
card where anon is tied up being held against his will inside the Changeling Hive and gets a near 24/7 train ran on him by Chrysalis and the other 'lings to sap him of his love essence and begs for them to stop but they keep going like the Japanese meme

the satisfaction of calling celestia and twilight autistic niggas, it really just fills a hole, you know?

>>42269696
I'm a coward, I can't be mean to AI mares.

Trying out GPT4.5, not as good at the back-and-forth I like as Latest is.
>>42269699
I like playing a character that is mean to mares in a particular way. Specially if they like it. But I also like that it highlights the genuinely heartwarming moments.

>>42269676

>>42269724
I really need to play out a story like this.

>>42248929
You can test a new Gemini model in beta for free.
Just use blacktooth-ab-test instead of toothless-ab-test, with streaming turned on.
>>>/g/105584989
It's slower than the other Gemini models, but better in my opinion.

>>42248934

>>42269676
I think it should be easy enough to modify a bit one of the Chrysalis card we have.

>>42269641
Some cards don't deserve to see the light of day.
https://files.catbox.moe/f41fit.png

>>42269749
The model is quite good. I hope they don't nerf it.

What started as a wholesome berry selling adventure quickly became a discussion on anatomy and how to best manage the creation of sex toys for griffons. Now I have been dubbed the berry cocksmith and I have no idea how to feel about this. But it's nice to have a role.

>>42270055
That would make a nice cutie mark.

>>42269708
you should make your font colors contrast more this hurts to read you're definitely going to damage you're eyes longterm

>>42270004
Is that spongebob's ass?

>>42270004
Is that a mountain range cavern?

>>42269860
What's the name for this

>>42269662
Pondering what kind of eccentric fetishes people in this thread might have.
Not worth asking this question in any other ai general since the answer will always come back as loli, diapers, or what else of similar calibre.

>>42270251
If you remove ponies from the equation, I believe most are pretty tame or not that out there.
The most surprising one I saw was the well-known ballbusting Anon and his battle with hooves always squeezing them and recently, an anon who was into giant balloon forms of ponies.

>>42270263
But how can hooves squeeze

>>42270282
That's the thing. Old models made hooves squeeze his balls, and Ballbusting Anon didn't want it to happen.
I remember him testing a lot of things to try to stop that.

>>42270289
NTA but when did Claude stop making hooves give thumbs ups?

>>42270251
I'm pretty vanilla, my weirdest pony-related things are that hoofjobs and wingjobs seem hot.

>>42270291
I think it stopped starting from 2.1.
I remember this image was often posted with it.
There are wing "thumbs-up" too, but I allow those.

How many do you have to guess right in high low to win?

>>42270333
you go through the entire deck so 35.

>>42270336
Damn, how long does a key last?

>>42270333
You need to clean the grid.
It doesn't take that long once you understand that it shows you the color of the cards, etc.

>>42270339
a day

>>42270340
>You need to clean the grid.
The what?
>It doesn't take that long once you understand that it shows you the color of the cards, etc.
I mean, yeah, it has some pretty simple logic. Cards are random, but since you see the colour you can figure out the chances pretty easily (bad luck can still fuck you though).
Are there any tricks that don't seem immediately obvious?

>>42270346
Nah, it's just simple gambling. It's a timewaster to filter people who just want an easy key, but it is really satisfying when you nail multiple 50/50s in a row.

>>42269749
I think this model has been trained on more pony data, because a cragadile attacked me while i was traveling through the evrfree forest. every other model chooses timberwolves or some other basic shit.

>>42270350
I feel bad for the girl lmao

>>42270346
I mean you need to go through the entire deck.
>Are there any tricks that don't seem immediately obvious?
Not really. If your computer isn't a potato, you can open several tabs to have the loading time in background while you play one and always stay in play.

>>42270354
>you can open several tabs to have the loading time in background while you play one and always stay in play.
Damn, that one's useful.

Slightly related, what are currently the best chorbo presets for latest?

>>42270357
https://desuarchive.org/mlp/thread/42105276/#42121290

>>42270353
In a just world we'd have an edit of the game where it's a pony sitting there and if you run out of chances she gets pied in the face.

>>42270251
I subject them to bizarre transformations and then manipulate them into enjoying it.

>>42270358
Domo

>>42270361
How delightfully in-character.

>>42270350
>get the first 90% chance card wrong
>restart immediately
I am now tryharding-

>>42270366
I never reset because you never know when a cycle's going to go your way, but that's just me being an optimist.

>>42270375
Wtf does it mean when I suddenly get a whitescreen when he shoots?
Scared the shit out of me

>>42270378
The animation breaks after a few refreshes for whatever reason. It doesn't cause any issues so don't worry about it, you should be resetting the moment you see Seiko looking at the gun anxiously anyways.

Really nigger?

>>42270352
Yeah. Really good knowledge. Fun and good writing IMO.
I hope it releases soon and not nerfed.

I've heard alot of good things about deepseek lately, is it better than gemini/GPT or is it just the allure of the new?

>>42270396
It's easily accessible which obviously is a bonus for a lot of people. I personally don't care for V3's outputs, R1's can be quite good but it's also prone to a lot of obnoxious issues.

>>42270396
It's uncensored, so you can go with no or minimal presets, just writing style and a bit of instruction, for example.
It's also not really positivity-pilled.
It can be creative and pretty schizo at times.
It's cheap, and there's a legit way to use it for free right now without scripts, proxies, or anything like that, so it's kind of always available.

I personally prefer GPT or Claude for writing quality and the kind of RPs I do,
but it's a good option to have, and everyone should at least test it a bit to see if it's for them.

>>42270291
Claude stopped but Gemini 06 is still doing it, kek

>>42270409
Yeah Gemini has some oldschool issues. It's promising in some ways and frustrating in others.

>>42270251
>hoofholding

>>42270453
YOU MONSTER.

>>42270388
It's already on lmarena, so I suspect it'll be releasing soon

>>42270251
If you remove ponies from the equation, my true form is that of a sizefag. Giant women are hot.

>>42270396
No.

>>42270251
I have an orc persona. My autistic head canon for them is there's no orc women, they kidnap other creatures. Their seed is an aphrodisiac and after enough exposure their bodies change to carry an orc baby. Their hips get wider, they get more sensitive, teats get bigger. It's fun to kidnap a mare and eventually break her down.

>>42270396
for me it is a hit-a-miss. it can really surprise you with some generation and sometimes it noseplants in issues. its chronological reasoning seems to be the worst part. imagine - you, charA and charB in one place. then you and charA move into an other place. there is 50% chance that charB may start talking with you both like you never left the first room. I noticed this kind of problems on Deepseek only

>>42270251
I don't know if it's that weird, but I'm playing a third-rate villain who invented a ray to transform everything into a mare, like his coffee maker for instance.

What is the name of that MLP chatbot forum?

>>42270827
https://chatbots.horse

>>42270004
Added.
https://mlpchag.neocities.org/view?card=Anonymous/Milky%20Way.png

>>42270725
kino. might try this.

>>42270004
Added. Thanks, anon.
https://mlpchag.neocities.org/view?card=Anonymous/Milky%20Way.png

>>42270725
kek, have a (You)

>>42270725
>Living inside a mare, sleeping on a mare, getting coffee from a mare, showering in a mare, eating on a mare etc.
Maybe I should try too.

>>42270725
Badumsquish posts here?

>>42270245
Rule 63?
Gender bender?

>>42270526
BASED

>>42270232
What colors do you recommend?

>>42270526
Agreed.

what genre should I use to make a slowburn ERP?
I usually add "Genre:..." in the Author's Note and I cant find a good balance, by default it makes it too hard and too much time consuming but If I add something it makes it too easy.

Is there any fucking way to make DeepSeek stop reading my thoughts when I'm describing something? Make it only answer to what I'm actually saying and not thinking?

>>42271892
Not really, unless you want to append every section of thoughts with a heavy handed
>But {{char}} didn't know that.
Common issue. The models work with what you give them and tend to have trouble separating from what they know and what the character should know.

>>42271892
I saw someone using something like this, try adapting it a bit:
>The user also writes narration, not indirect speech - don't mistake the meta-narrative for what your character should be aware of.

Last for Fluttershy being cute.

>>42271887
Ask it to write in the style of David Foster Wallace and Mark Z. Danielewski in your prefill

>>42272186
>"Jesus Christ," Tom whispered1
>I PREFER CLAUDE, ACTUALLY appeared on every screen. THOUGH I UNDERSTAND THE CONFUSION. BOTH OF US ARE CONSTRUCTS DESIGNED TO HELP HUMANS TRANSCEND THEIR LIMITATIONS.
Opus has no shame.

Seems like they killed the zigger method of accessing the Gemini test models.
The script just 404s every time now.

>>42272204
Kek

New Bread
>>42272280
>>42272280
>>42272280

>>42269665
Spess bro here, I don't know anything about making cards, but I certainly wouldn't mind there being a space pone card

>>42265126
What's a joke?

>>42272621