Do you guys know of any really good fanmade Draconequus designs? Discord himself is literally a 10/10 design, it's honestly astonishing how perfectly they nailed it. But NO ONE else has managed to come close, even 14 years later. I have never ONCE seen a fanmade Draconequus design that's on parr with Discord (fair enough, designing a chimera that looks good sounds like a hard thing to do).

A very tiny number of them are at best, passable, and those ones always have something that still makes them feel off, or not quite right. But in all my years I've NEVER seen a fanmade Draconequus design that's just outright good/excellent. There has never been ONE design that made me think "this is so good it looks great, and could totally fit in the show". Isn't that strange?......Have you guys seen any??

Wings must be very hard to do with these designs, especially if you're doing a character design where the limbs are asymmetrical. You need wings in order for a Draconequus to feel properly dragon-y, but not many animals have ever evolved wings, and some of those that do don't really work well.

>pterodactyls are too fucking weird and out of place to use
>insect wings don't look right if it's just one wing next to like a normal bird wing. even if you're doing 2 symmetrical big wings, they do feel distinctly unfitting at least in all the examples I've seen. It's probably possible to make big wings look good in a Draconequus but in general it's gonna be too weird
>you could totally replace a wing with a fish fin instead, since Draconequui just float in the air with magic anyway. but I've never seen anyone do it probably cuz it's a bit too out there

Your only real options are dragon, bat, and bird wings. Dragon is fine. Bats are also fine, but unlike birds, different bat species don't have wings that are remarkably different from one another, so every bat wing is pretty much always gonna look the same. The one saving grace you do have are bird wings which come in endless variety. But 2 different bird wings won't look particularly dragon-y, and you can't do bird + bat without it instantly feeling like a Discord copy

Art is hard

>>42330078 (OP)
You can't iterate on perfection, but let's try anyway, for the fun of it. First of all: what parts of Discord's design are 'essential'? That is, what makes his design stop working if you take it away? He needs an expressive face, so anything with an elongated or non-standard mouth is out. I'd say hands (well, paws) are essential, too, for a wider range of gestures - he's much more physically performative than most other characters - so you can't have a hoof or a flipper or anything like that on the forelimbs. Obviously, he needs to be long. I want to say there's something to his colour co-ordination, too, even if it doesn't look like it at first, but I haven't developed that thought enough yet to speak on it. The shape of his head is unique, too, which I think is something the designs in the OP miss, since they look more like heads from stock critter designs. He's supposed to have the head of a horse, right? Not really. We've seen ponies with horse-like anatomy in the show, in Celestia and the Saddle Arabians, and he looks nothing like that.

Basically, in spite of how things appear, there's still some kind of formula underpinning his design that we've yet to crack. It's probably stupid to go looking for the rules behind chaos, but if it brings us more funny spaghetti dragons, I'm all for it.

>>42330078 (OP)
The biggest issue I see when it comes to unique Draconequus designs is that they're still, and usually one-off.

Discord is an all-powerful, sleezy weirdo with a moral compass that centers around his own personal enjoyment. His design perfectly works with all of that, especially with him being such a fluid (physically and personality-wise), constant chaos character. In fact, I feel like his design wouldn't work in a character-less vacuum, which most fanmade Draconequus designs if not all are.

A still design is going to suffer greatly from not having a lot to establish itself with. Imagine if Pinkie Pie was a background pony and wasn't bouncing or doing any Pinkiesms, just often reoccurring in certain places Lyra-style. Sure fandom headcanon could give her the Lyra treatment, but I doubt her design would be considered "perfect" for her anymore.

>>42330259
>color
Discord's colors are remarkably down-to-earth for the most part. Fan designs are either too colorful, especially when going for exotic animal limbs, or playing it too safe when they go for more of a monochrome palette.
Speaking of exotic animals, Discord's body parts are all incredibly grounded in Western symbolism: goats, snakes, eagles, lions, bats, deer etc., it's stuff you'd find on emblems. You can't swap out lion for tiger or snake for eel without losing this rootedness in Western symbolism. An equally archetypal chimera would have to take from a completely different set of symbols, but e.g. Hindus have way too many chimeras already for such a draconequus to add anything.

It is true, Discord is perfection that can't be iterated on.

>>42330259
Its hard to discern what is 'Discord' and what is 'draconequus'. What are the design choices specific to Discord? What features of his are ones of his species? Since he's the only draconequus we've seen, its tough to assume that distinction. I've seen somebody say that since Discord is the embodiment of chaos, he should have the most chaotic appearance out of all draconequus. Does this mean that the others are more symmetrical? Made up of fewer animals? Fewer spliced parts on their bodies?

Discord’s design sucks.

>>42330267
Pinkie’s design would still be perfect. Her fun animation is a bonus. Discord only looks good in animation, because the design is actually super ugly on its own and doesn’t fit the world. Look at the moments when he’s either free of magic or temporarily not using it. It looks fucking horrible, because, he’s not to scale with the other characters. They don’t even remember to scrunch him up like a Chinese dragon, they just have him standing there like an erect pool noodle. It’s really bad looking.

He lent himself as a one-time villain in animated form. Anything else that he’s been in has been total dogshit and I dislike anyone who enjoys him as a character at all. I think they’re almost all terrible people with shit taste.

>>42330323
Shit character.

>>42330326
Projection

>>42330332
I project cum outta my penis.

>>42330336
xXOwnedXx

>>42330339
LOL!

>>42330294
That is absolutely the issue here, it's questionable whether draconequi are even a thing.

"Draconequus" might as well be a name ponies came up with to label that scary serpentine creature which has "the head of a pony" in the sense of having sapience and an inclination towards socialization on par with ponies, instead of being inferior and beastly like random animals or chimeras chilling innawoods are. Cows are submissive, griffons are rash, but the draconequus is complex and molding reality like clay - not too different from ponies literally controlling their world. He's scary because he threatens ponycentric cosmic balance. Cows or griffons can't do shit outside of wrecking a pony settlement; yaks, buffalos, manticores, Ursa Majors, it's all collateral damage.

Discord isn't avoidable like the wood-dwelling manticore from S1, he's an attentionwhore who can't ignore ponykind because he wants them to observe his Chaos. His existence itself is a paradox, for forces of nature need no avatars, Chaos happens without his input, and the more he himself imposes chaos, the less chaotic it becomes in essence, no matter how surreal the result. His existence is a burden as much as it is a divine gift.

Personally, I like to think that if there are any other draconequi, they'd ironically look very similar to each other and vary mostly in how attuned they are to Chaos (and/or Harmony); Discord being attuned to the point he IS an embodiment of chaos, whereas a younger, more grounded Noodle would be very much like a pony with slightly different magic, and mortal. Like a noodly Pinkie Pie, basically.

I completely fell for him when I saw him smile, all those (close to) 14 years. It was that damn smile.

>>42330456
He sucks.

>>42330294
>>42330259
>What are the design choices specific to Discord? What features of his are ones of his species
>what parts of Discord's design are 'essential'? That is, what makes his design stop working if you take it away?

I'll take a stab at that. The basic premise of his species is that they are chaos dragons that symbolize chaos by literally being composed of different animal parts. It's sort of taking the Chinese dragon thing where they go

>scales of a carp / head of a camel / antlers of a stag / neck of a snake / claws of an eagle / the paws of a tiger / and the ears of an ox....

and it's doing that but making it more literal. The creature you design MUST be dragon-shaped, such that if you squinted your eyes really hard and only had a blurry outline to go on, you could still tell it's supposed to be a dragon. If it's not dragon-shaped, you haven't made a Draconequus, you've just made some other weird chimera thing.

Dragons vary widely in different fictions and cultures, of course. Chaos is all about spontaneity so I don't think we need to make rules like "all Draconequui need to have wings / horns / draconic bumps along the spine". But you clearly can't take away ALL the dragonish qualities away on any one design. The artist is allowed to deviate a bit but the final product needs to obviously be dragon-ish overall. This is why designs that have hooves on the forelimbs instead of fingered paws do not work. They might LOOK perfectly fine, but that's straying too much from the overall idea of a dragon.

Discord fans who consider anything after Season 2 canon tend to be people who laugh at Super Bowl commercials and Adam Sandler movies, not chad Daffy Duck enjoyers like people who liked his original appearance. Bad comedy is offensive to me. Discord’s always looking at the camera like “Get it, Bronies, we said the meme. Do you like us? If you don’t, it doesn’t matter, because I’m just going to pretend that the joke was that it was so unfunny. So you just don’t get it.” Very modern comedy cringe to me. The original was a Bob Clampett God and Bugs Bunny humorist comedian.

What if "Draconequus" are named that because they're NOT normally made of different animal parts. What if they're literally just dragon-horses, and the show uses the word Draconequus for what this fandom would call a Dracony? And Discord is composed of different animals NOT because he's a Draconequus/Dracony, but because he's the master of chaos.

This would make a lot of sense but it would also be really boring cuz then we don't get to play around with other chimerical designs.

>>42330484
I know it might upset you to hear these words, but have you considered that by acting like this much of an attention whore in this thread, you're actually acting exactly like Discord, the character you hate so much

>>42330490
Well, I hate myself, so that sorta tracks, but I really don’t think the “annoying faggot” persona from Season 3 onwards connects to his original depiction at all.

>>42330506
I think he had a real return to form when he had those three evil fucks turned to stone

>>42330555
Shut up, bitch.

>>42330506
Ok. We were talking about draconequus designs, though, not season rot.

Gollyfag, I pity you too much to hate you, but you're resembling Flutterschizo to a t. I think it's for your own good I don't even refer to you as Gollyfag, but rather as Flutterschizo 2: Electric Gollyboo. That's how unique you are, my suffering associate.

>>42330560
You're right, the filly deserved worse for being evil

>>42330577
Who’s Flutterschizo? Please don’t call me anything that evokes Fluttershy. I never even liked her when she was a good character.

>>42330577
Still proud you made him cry and leave?

>>42330582
>made him cry and leave
I hope he did so by ending up in psychiatry and not a coffin, and that's exactly why I won't get involved with our sweet little Flutterschizo 2: Electric Gollyboo over here.

I think you guys have touched on a lot of the reasons why OC draconequi fall short, but a big thing I always find them to be lacking in his personality. If you saw Discord on his own, without any prior knowledge, you'd still be able to glean some number of personality traits, even if they're not accurate to the actual chracter. But then you (I) look at the three chimeras in the OP pic, and there's no personality to be found. I can't even imagine them speaking, they look like they'd just make animal noises or be completely silent.

>>42330601
My name is GollyFag.

>>42330606
Your name is xXFlutterLover420Xx

>>42330601
WOW!! How friendship is magic of you Dranonequus!! At least you resemble your husbando in his sadism. He was breaking down because of you and your trolling antics and you celebrate that??

>>42330613
When did this happen?

Also, is this the same DiscordFag that asked Nicole Oliver if Celestia likes molasses or a different one?

>>42330629
Two years ago. And yes she is.

>>42330613
Are you perhaps thirsting for drama?

>>42330605
>I can't even imagine them speaking, they look like they'd just make animal noises or be completely silent.
That's an apt description. And designs that don't suffer this tend to look like furshit.

>>42330636
I thought you loved drama? No one forced you to go into his Fluttershy threads back then...

>>42330632
Damn! I knew it. I actually didn’t see that when it was new, but I was looking at something on the archives and came across it. I thought the Discord flag poster here was probably her, but she never confirmed it.

DiscordFag, if you’re at Mare Fair, you can join me in a debate I’m doing. It’s not a panel, just a small thing in a hotel room. I’ll have to ask the other participant if it’s cool, but it should be. We’re doing Cozy Glow vs. Sunset Shimmer. You can join as the Discord defender if you’re interested.

Anyway, on the topic, this is the only good Draconequus.

>>42330649
You type like an autistic zoomer who thinks they're smarter than they are. I can practically hear your fat voice and autism accent through the computer

>>42330657
I definitely don’t think I’m smart. Just right about everything. Not through learned knowledge, though. I’m fully aware of my retardation.

And you can see how fat I am at Mare Fair. :P

>>42330653
>Cosmos
In her case, Price kept Discord's body plan and swapped his limbs for nastier critters, as well as opting for more toxic colors. It's decently successful at conveying malice, but it's not a design that leaves a lasting impression on me outside of a handful of edgy panels. I'd argue she's way to fluffy for Malice. It's also a pity the story had to sissify Discord to prop up her evilness, going so far as trying to retcon Discord having been villainous in S2.

>>42330668
Discord did nothing wrong in Season 2. But yes, it did claim that the “bad” things he did were all her idea, which was retarded writing. She’s still hot, though. Glad she killed him in the canon ending.

>>42330078 (OP)
Discord-like designs are rare. Most fanmade draconequusi(?) are symmetric.

>>42330691
Draconequssy

>>42330694
What about that comment provoked that response

>>42330708
my pp hard

>>42330691
>>42330712
Oh no I'm sorry I'm dumb, I didn't even read "draconequusi(?)". Your horny is valid in this case

>>42330725

Okay, so who wants to put a pause on this conversation and resume it at Mare Fair?

Why are you 20 year olds so uncultured? Craig McCracken based Discord off pic related. Then there was the alpha Discord that was much chunkier and bigger made by either Robin Mitchell, Lauren Faust or Craig McCracken cause you can't trust Derpibooru.

https://derpibooru.org/tags/artist-colon-robin+mitchell
https://derpibooru.org/images/3415812?q=artist%3Arobin+mitchell
https://derpibooru.org/images/698928

>>42330796
I'm sorry I try to be usually really positive on this website, but you're really fucking dumb if you think Discord is related to Quetzalcoatl in literally any way. Like very dumb. Seek help

>>42330809
Yes we know you're very dumb and uncultured. Seek help. Ask your parents... oh you don't have parents or your parents are busy toiling the fields or typing in Excel sheets like the wagecucks they are.

Discord might be based on Yaldabaoth (AKA the Demiurge) from Gnostic mythology. He’s got the body of a dragon and the head of a lion, and his name is theorized to mean “Son of Chaos,” though that’s not a conclusively proven meaning, as the alleged plural form of the Hebrew or Aramaic words for chaos (singular, “bohu”) hasn’t been demonstrated in any available sources. Regardless, the idea that that’s the meaning of his name is prevalent and very likely to have influenced Discord as a character even if it’s an inaccurate interpretation.

I have further arguments for why Discord’s “redemption” was a terrible idea based on the theory of this inspiration, but we can save those for another time.

>>42330796
Were those designs not created AFTER Lauren presented >>42330267? I think the only older sketch was pic rel.

>>42330828
Lol is that an alicorn there on the right?

>>42330830
Looks like a pegasus next to a unicorn to me.

>>42330830
The thing you see as a horn is supposed to be her other ear.

>>42330844
>>42330851
oh fuck right

>>42330827
It'd be neat if true, but I don't think it's that esoteric. My personal schizocanon is that the writers were unconsciously drawing inspiration for him from the Antichrist.

>>42330078 (OP)
no hes an ugly piece of shit jewish looking nigger and should be been sent to a realm of pure torture.

>>42330647
Discordchad isn't to blame. If you remember flutterschizo then you also remember how obnoxious and repetitive his threads and posts were. Much like gollyschizo here, all he did was impotently wail about Discord. Didn't matter the thread or topic at hand, it always had to be about poor helpless Fluttershy and Discord the meanie. I also said some harsh things to him, but not out of malice. Flutterschizo was obsessed beyond all reason with things he couldn't change. Things he could even ignore if he chose to but no matter what he just couldn't let it go. It was pretty brutal to watch desu.

>>42331593
>Much like gollyschizo here, all he did was impotently wail about Discord.
That isn’t true about me. I impotently wail about EVERYTHING that Haber ruined. Discord is just one example that took the narrative blame for the worst parts of Season 9, and they also used him in Season 8 to directly promote accepting abuse because they’re terrible, terrible people. That’s the awful, evil writers’ fault, though and Discord isn’t even close to the only character ruined.

It was McCarthy that actually ruined him, not Haber. Which is actually a mild defense of him, because there was nothing they could do by that point. And McCarthy’s era was a trillion times better than Haber’s overall (fuck anyone that likes that douchebag’s godawful shit!!!), so the extent to which Haber ruined Discord is actually disproportionate to the other characters. All the rest of them were ruined infinitely MORE based on where they were before he took over.

>>42331636
Alright, I'll admit you're probably a bit less unhinged than flutterschizo. Still, I seem to come across your flag in every thread Discord is so much as mentioned, and you're ALWAYS seething.

“A Matter of Principals,” contrary to the writers’ denial IS an episode where the lesson is “It’s okay when people abuse you if they’re stronger and more powerful than you. Resistance is wrong.”

Now, the writer of that episode, Nicole Dubuc, did say that it changed a lot from her original idea. (Her other defenses of it were really shitty and rang totally hollow, though, so I’m not completely absolving her.) But just like happened with M.A. Larson and his attempt to fix “Fame and Mistorture,” I believe it’s pretty likely that Haber stepped in, said the story wasn’t good enough, and mandated that it be so much more objectively evil.

I’m just gonna throw out a spurious accusation, because why not? Josh Haber hasn’t worked on TV in two years. Whenever one of these big stories about some industry person being a terrible person drops, it’s known as an open secret for a while beforehand and the person usually stops getting work.

So, I really don’t see any reason to not expect that the objectively evil lessons that he used this show to promote PROBABLY reflect his actual worldview. You can’t “accidentally” suggest that abuse is acceptable and that those who resist it should he punished THIS MANY fucking times! When you try to teach a LESSON in a show, that LESSON is usually in some way related to what you actually BELIEVE.

So I just think he’s almost certainly a real life scumfuck. I won’t be specific with my accusations. I don’t have any inside knowledge. It’s just a hunch. I have a feeling we’ll learn about it soon. If I’m wrong, I’ll apologize (albeit in a backhanded way where I still double down on insulting his writing).

Fuck Josh Haber!!!

>>42331711
Personally, I wouldn't have it any other way.

>>42331711
How could I not be seething?! A beautiful comfort show filled with great lessons, lovable characters, and a lot of heart was used to teach EVIL lessons that, when taken to their logical conclusions, promote abusing, murdering, and even raping children, and they specifically suggest that it’s acceptable it it’s a man doing it. WHAT THE FUCK?!!?!?!?!!!?!

>>42331716

>>42331755
Because you're gay.

>>42331760
Discord spent 80 quadrillion years trying to find a way to kill himself after this. So far. He’s still trying. Immortality is a blessing and a curse. A curse for him, a blessing for rational people who know that he deserves to suffer for all eternity. ;)

>>42331725
*if

>>42331791
Thank you.

>>42331793
Btw, that's another thing that makes you reminiscant of Flutterschizo: You both are autistic about grammar and spelling.

>>42331593
Thinking back, Flutterschizo was so much worse off than Gollyboo. Bro was outright psychotic and attracted shit-stirrers looking for a lolcow to milk, as well as imposters. I think he died for real.
>>42331711
True. I think it was the incessant use of the word "abuse" that felt all too familiar.

>>42331715
>A Matter of Principals
An obnoxious episode meant to establish the magic mcguffins to be used by Cozy Glow in the finale. Shoved Discord in there to pretend there was a plot. The episode supplies some neat screenshots of Discord, and is more palatable if you pretend that Discord was a stand-in for mean fans who dare to dislike TWILIGHT SPARKLE™'s School of Friendship™ and would love to tear it down.
It's even possible to somewhat connect this episode to the OP topic by arguing how interesting it is that Discord's ghost can move outside of his body, or that Discord can turn himself to stone and shatter as an inconsequential visual gag. (So much for those 2019-core sledgehammer fantasies.)
Is body-morphing inherent to draconequi, or is it a Discord-only thing? (Cosmos also does it to some degree, but she's a poo-poo noodle (boo!), no cool pool noodle.)

>>42331802
18.

>>42331805
Now that's an insult I haven't heard in a while <3

why did you ruin my nice thread with perversion and wrongness

Seriously, though, anyone try to argue with my points about how the character was used narratively. Like I said, he was amoral before, so he obviously wasn’t ruined nearly as much as fucking CELESTIA when she murdered a kid!!!!! Or FLUTTERSHY who cheered on her death!!!!!!!!! I point to Discord because of the lack of taste, though. We had a really cool one-time villain and al these gay people that just wanna fuck him couldn’t see past his le epic memes to see that, first of all, he was no longer funny, and secondly, the only thing the episodes ever accomplished was telling kids to love and submit to creepy, evil weirdo freaks.

>An obnoxious episode meant to establish the magic mcguffins to be used by Cozy Glow in the finale.
I vaguely remember that, but just barely. There’s no way that that was the sole reason the episode existed. The real reason is that they wanted a Discord episode every season and figured they’d try to tie him into the stupid school that nearly the entire season was focused on. “The End in Friend” also shat out some connection to the artifacts.

>and is more palatable if you pretend that Discord was a stand-in for mean fans who dare to dislike TWILIGHT SPARKLE™'s School of Friendship™ and would love to tear it down.
What? The episode is about him being an butthurt retard who tries to murder children because the Special Snowflake School of Special Snowflakes wasn’t being ran HIS way. And his initial hurt feelings make it okay to do whatever he wants, just like school shooters or rapists. (Seriously, EVIL lesson.)

>how interesting it is that Discord's ghost can move outside of his body
Not that interesting. More interesting is that if you watch it muted, it looks like Starlight killed him (justified), and that I thought that’s what actually happened when I only saw out-of-context screenshots of her blasting him, then of him being a ghost.

>or that Discord can turn himself to stone and shatter as an inconsequential visual gag.
Why do you talk about Discord (your favorite character) like you can hardly even grasp the basic idea of him? This is like me being like “This episode proved to us that Cozy Glow acts like a sweetheart cutie little girl in order to get her way,” but like… if she was around for eight fucking seasons instead of two.

>Is body-morphing inherent to draconequi, or is it a Discord-only thing?
It’s a chaos magic thing. We can assume that Draconequi are probably all rooted in chaos magic without contrary evidence.

A more interesting thing was the character of Harmony from Season 8, which almost turned into a real character. (Remember, she took on the form of Twilight?) The leaks showed that Discord’s ability to live in Equestria was threatened due to the emergence of Total Harmony. The outline doesn’t tell us if we’d see her fully realized in an embodied form or not and we never got to find out because the story was abandoned.

>>42331802
I forgot to actually reply to you. Everything after the first paragraph was intended for you.

I think Cosmos actually has an ability that Discord may not have, and that’s possession. I’m not positive he didn’t, but did Discord ever use this? I feel like he probably would have if he could. She’s not just taking on Twilight’s form, if I remember correctly, she took over her body.

Now what if she took over EVERYPONY’S body, or at least as many of them as she needed, and used them like her own little Changeling army, but with the REAL bodies. (Zecora’s little mud mask can’t disprove that. It IS them.)

>>42330490
You know he's attention-whoring most of the time. Don't think your words will have any effect on him other than get the (You)s he wanted. This board is filled with attention-whores.

>>42330078 (OP)
I'm afraid I don't really know a particular good draconequus design. If we were to dissect what makes it a draconequus, we would pin in up as a collage of bit and parts from a concept. I could easily imagine for exemple : multiple space object making one, multiple geometric shape and finally all the state of water making a draconequus each. I'd personally advocate for a 'earth' draconequus made of multiple soils and alloys.

>>42331863
Accord has that ability, implying that Discord might have it in the comics.
>>42331891
>multiple geometric shape
I couldn't help but think of pic rel.

>>42331882
Attention-whore would usually imply that I don’t believe what I say, but I do. I do talk about them to see how others react, though, obviously. It’s one of the reasons I’m so excited for Mare Fair!

>>42331912
If you are a fan of absolutely bonker visual chaotic design, look outside character are so otherworldly and yet familiar in how they are designed if you have the stomach to endure a lot of body horror. My AU headcanon is that this game is before Equestria and the visitor is discord in it's infancy. I've also seen chaos through perspective being well represented in slay the princess.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BUFcaiEiNA

>>42330339
w00t!

>>42331802
>I think he died for real.
On the other hand, if it was all an elaborate troll, then fuck, he got me. He got all of us.

Other Draconequui would probably be as diverse in appearance from one another as Biblically Accurate Angels are.

I like the interpretation of draconequui from this fun little CYOA: https://travellers-cyoas.neocities.org/MLP/

They're magical spirits that each have their own "principle" kinda like a god's domain. Discord looks the way he does because his principle is Chaos, but I can easily imagine draconequui with other principles being far more symmetrical and less chimeric. The only hard rule I'd set is the dragon+horse combo, since it's in the name.

Maybe the species is the result of an arcane experiment to combine unicorns and dragons? That'd be cool.

>>42332061
>Maybe the species is the result of an arcane experiment to combine unicorns and dragons?
Starswirl was a dragonfucker

>>42332008
Spending that much time and energy on "trolling" isn't trolling anymore. Its mental illness.

I’ve tried searching for these Flutterschizo posts, and I have to say, it seems as though he’s right about everything and is a god among men. If he did truly die, I bet he’s fucking Fluttershy in the canon universe where Discord is stone forever!!! ;)

I bless Flutterschizo’s soul in the name of the Cozy, the Glow, and the Holy Golly. May you be blessed with your waifu’s presence for all eternity and may Discord never exist again, even in the afterlife of DiscordFags.

>>42332350
Actually, he's fucking Golly, in the canon universe where she is stoned (which is all of them, btw)

>>42332431
Wrong. Flutterschizo got to the afterlife first, and those who get firsties get to decide. Even though I never interacted with him, I can already tell how wrong you are about his afterlife. Discord isn’t just stone, he’s rubble. Cozy Glow is freed, but presumably not fucked, since I’m not there yet. :P Discord’s in Hell, where he can never do the evil bidding of Josh Haber ever again.

>>42332467
Golly will never fuck you, stoned or not (she is). Flutterschizo is weeping over his cucking and spraying semen all over Golly's marble body to cope.

>>42332469
This is actually what happened ten seconds before Fluttershy jumped on Flutterschizo’s cock.

>>42332478
You nor Flutterschizo will EVER have sex with your waifus. Especially you, because that's pedophilia and all you have to claim otherwise is a two second clip that no sane person would take as canon.

>>42332427
And may the mere mention of He Who Shall Not Be Named forever generate infinite (You)s. Truy, we'd be at a loss without obsessives like you.

Dead people are more lucky than living people, because good Snowpity-filled people like Flutterschizo get to fuck they’re waifu’s, while I’m stuck here alone forever… I mean, I guess not forever. Does anyone else ever feel like they’re NOT going to die?! I mean this in a bad way, not in a copium “good” way, like that Ray Kurtzweil fuckin’ dumbfuck fucking retard fuckhead who’s going to die and never be remembered for his dipshit “technology is God, man” retard bullshit, dipshit, dumbshit.

What I mean is, what if the shit that fucking idiot talks about is true, and AI keeps us alive… AGAINST OUR WILL?!?!?!?!?!!!?! We HAVE to die someday!!!!!!!!!!!!! It’s the ONE thing we were supposed to do before we came here!!!!

I’m worried, like, what if I actually AM going to be immortal and I can never fucking undo it, ever?!?!!??!?!!??!!?! HOLY FUCK, THAT SHIT’S SCARY!!!!!!!!!!!!

So yeah, the person who said that I’m like Discord, we do have that in common. Except for him it’s true, and it’s funny that he will NEVER die, and can NEVER see Fluttershy EVER again, because she’s in the afterlife FOREVER with her boyfriend, Flutterschizo!!!!!! Oh yeah!!!!!!

But like, what if I become immortal and can never leave this horrible, EVIL, fleshly existence?!!?!!?!?!!!?! FUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Does anyone else have that fear? Fear of accidentally becoming immortal?! You know, Twilight never even consented to BE an Alicorn Princess. Imagine her horror when Celestia told her, “You will NEVER die!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! But all your friends will!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”

>>42332518
their*

>>42330851
>Rare flutterschizo2.0 with a working braincell moment

>>42332478
Hey man I'm all in favor of pedos getting beheaded but Discoshy ain't it. She's an adult, they have a somewhat equal relationship and you can't chastise ancient characters like Discord and Luna for fucking people who aren't their own age. There's VERY fucking few long-lived people in their world, the immortals inevitably need sex from regular adults cuz they would be forced to be celibate otherwise

>>42333167
You have to question what it represents. It’s narratively pedophilia, because the freakish writers are almost certainly pro-pedophilia. The only way their relationship can be understood in real-world terms is in terms of pedophilia. Fuck pedophilia! And fuck Josh Haber!!!

>>42333247
Claiming Cozy Glow is an adult that merely looks like a child is also pro-pedophilia. So are the writers pro-pedophilia or not?

>>42333247
>narratively pedophilia

MOTHERFUCKER YOU ARE SPEAKING TO ME WITH A COZY GLOW FLAG RIGHT THIS FUCKING SECOND

>>42333252
A writer for the show is the one who originally said that! Her creator, Nicole Dubuc said it in this video around the 40 minute mark: https://youtube.com/watch?v=PRliouRL2Mk

Is it pedophilic? Well, it’s definitely sexual in nature and undeniably perverted. They know how sick the fanbase can be, giving us a loli demon that we can all call “legal” is an act you can’t do without knowingly promoting fetishes.

I can see past her childlike demeanor though and always could. She’s voiced by an adult and actors playing younger characters are still 100% legal. She should absolutely not be engaged in onscreen romance, but killing her is a way of saying “You can treat kids exactly the same as adults” in a FAR more evil way. Because all evidence suggests that her trick works on the other characters. There’s no suggestion that any of them know she’s an adult.

So, it’s definitely making a sexual statement to have her secretly be older, but it’s doing that regardless. I think different voices made their way into the narrative, including ones that just want to fuck people who look younger than they are, but down to “kill the kid to hide the evidence” freaks.

(On that last point, I doubt that that part has been lived out IRL, but it made it into the episode, because it’s the natural conclusion to certain aspects of their worldview. Claiming they did anything like that for real is much further than I’d be willing to suggest.)

I think Dubuc’s fetish was an innocent one and it got mixed in with Haber’s sick and evil worldviews. Corrupting the innocence of “looks young” into “okay to fuck kids.”

To be clear, all of this is about the narrative she was in and telling a better story where she rapes the universe is putting her into a better, infinitely more moral story that she was always meant to be used for.

>>42333247
>Common diet-flutterschizo with a non-working braincell moment

>>42333274
I see your point, but see above. I think Cozy’s true story, as envisioned by Nicole Dubuc, was abandoned and never got to be told. The narrative Haber forced on her is 100% pro-pedophilia as a narrative. Dubuc’s was about how it’s scary to want to fuck someone who looks young because you have to double and triple check their ID, and if that person is the one making advances towards you, you should be really scared that this is a sting operation and not act on your urges until you’re 100% sure that it’s safe.

>>42333298
>I can see past her childlike demeanor though and always could.
>The fact she looks and acts and sounds like a child has absolutely NOTHING to do with why I want to fuck her, trust me bro

>>42333314
There are adults that look and act younger than they are. As long as they’re 18, it’s fine, though. Look at the comment I made after it in case you hadn’t seen it yet. It’s a fetishistic exaggeration if that fear that a morally decent human would have if there’s someone that they’re about to fuck.

There was this girl I had a crush on at work who I was like “Oh my God, I’d better fucking make sure she’s at least 18.” She didn’t seem young in the way Cozy does, but she wasn’t old at all looking in appearance and she was cool in a way I thought a teenager would be. I found out she was in her 30s and was 10 fucking years older than I was. So I was worried about nothing, but it’s still an important part of human relationships.

I always thought Cozy was a midget rather than a filly desu before I actually watched the later seasons

>>42333324
I meant “cool in a way that a teenager MIGHT be,” but in retrospect, she was like a teenager from a totally different era that doesn’t exist anymore. So that ended up totally tracking when I found out her age. She just hadn’t changed much since she was that age.

>>42333298
>loli we can all call legal
Bro fell for the cutiemark meme, what a retard.

>>42333343
Did you watch the clip? She said explicitly that she’s an adult. Also, her voice actress said in a different panel that she’s a “28-year-old sociopath,” which is so specific that I assume one of the writers told her it when she auditioned. (That would mean that Cozy is older than I was when her episodes aired.)

>>42333354
>She sa-ACK!
Not in the show, not canon. Simple as.

>>42333365
It is in the show, you just have to be able to recognize subtle clues. I suspected it from her very first appearance.

>>42333354
So if Cozy Glow is an adult, that means she could be held accountable for her actions, right? Potentially in the form of stoning?

>>42333371
Being able to recognize she's an evil underage bitch isn't the same as le loli in 400 year old body. No one believes your crap you're trying to peddle here, the whole fandom knows she's underage and pedophiles like you love it

>>42333373
No. I already mentioned that there’s never any indication that the characters know she’s faking, for one thing. For two, she literally didn’t do a single thing wrong at all ever. Even in a single scene. And execution without trial is a warcrime.

>>42333374
What a dumbass.

>>42333380
>Brainlet tries to apply democracy to monarchy
lol, lmao even

>>42333385
Democracy? What the fuck are you talking about?

>>42333390
Monarchies do whatever they want, you underage faggot.

>>42333380
>warcrime
According to who? Human governments? Specifically the human governments most guilty of said "warcrimes"? Anon, you can't just assume that pony society works the same as ours. There's not even any evidence that Equestria has trials.

>>42333402
Not true. Laws are actually not something invented by modern society. What the fuck are you talking about? This is a really shitty defense that only an idiot looking to cover up the intentional “child abuse and murder is good” message would pull out of their ass.

>>42333407
>Executions with no trial with kings never existed!!
Don't reply to me again, cultural swine. Your brain is as underdeveloped as the one you worship.

>>42333403
>According to who? Human governments? Specifically the human governments most guilty of said "warcrimes"?
Yes. Josh Haber was saying that what few attempts to hold them in check at all should be eliminated and we should have total free rein to kill kids for any reason. That’s the message. You remember that every episode of the show ends with a lesson, right? This is it.

>>42333408
>Executions with no trial with kings never existed!!
Not what I said, for one. For two, if your argument is the morality of imperialist mass murderers, you’re just plainly retarded. Not every country in the world in modern day is a democracy. The concept of international law is, in theory, still supposed to apply.

None of this is at all relevant because it’s obviously evil regardless and the lesson of the episode is that it’s “good.” Only a sick individual that probably treats kids like adults in many other ways would even come up with such an evil “lesson” for their show.

>>42333409
Interesting. Now address the second half of that post

fanmade draconequus designs?

>"Blablabla"
>OFF WITH ER HEAD.
What's little tranny gunna do about it?

>>42333419
The relevant matter is that it’s in the “lesson” portion of the episode. Appealing to the way their world works is a cheap out to try to excuse an intentionally evil lesson.

>>42333425
Pedophilic scene. Further proves Haber’s actual evil.

>>42333426
>No argument
Shocker.

>>42333423
Hold my hand for our thread is gone and we're not getting it back

>>42333433
You’re the one refusing to make an argument to the actually relevant point.

>>42333432
>NOOOOOOOO you're a pedophile if you don't adopt my bra-ACK!

>>42333442
I’m not the one groping small children without their consent. Discord is.

>>42333298
>looks younger than they are - argument
So does Discord! He looks 60yo or so, which happens to be a fine age for a man. Most thousand-year-olds I know are dust. Those chaos genes, man.

>>42333446
He looks even older and uglier than he is and basically everything I saw Flutterschizo say about the people who are attracted to him having an ugly fetish is 100% true.

>>42333443
>Children
You already argued that she's an adult, so your post will be discarded and laughed at while she's publicly executed, (again)

>>42333452
She’s both. There’s two narratives going on at once.

>>42333459
>Mentally ill double-think tranny
Unsurprising

>>42333440
>The reality of Equestria is irrelevant
>Now let me tell you about how everything I didn't like in the show never happened in the real Equestria

>>42333461
It makes sense if you think about it for more than two seconds. The characters THINK she’s a child, but act pedophilic and sexually evil towards her. She’s NOT a child, her goal is to find and kill all pedos. It’s an anti-pedophilia parable that Haber’s warped mind converted into something else.

>>42333459
Yeah, two narratives and they're both yours. When you do something to Cozy, she's an adult. But when anyone else does something to Cozy, she's a child.

>>42333471
>[schizobabble intensifies]

>>42333471
>It's another "Anon mistakes his headcanon as canon" episode

>>42333469
Equestria is very closely linked to our reality. It’s like a mirror universe. When you write an evil ending to the world of the show, bad things happen in our universe. We’re basically living through the real life version of that ending now.

There’s a higher Equestria out there that’s far beyond connections to our world.

>>42333481
This is ChrisChan tier shit.

>>42333472
No, I’m not doing anything TO Cozy. If I do, I deserve not just death, but eternal torment forever and ever. The only thing I’m saying is that Cozy can do anything and everything she wants to ME, or anypony else. She’s an adult, and a female. Women can’t be held to the same moral standard.

>>42333481
>There’s a higher Equestria out there that’s far beyond connections to our world.
I'd wager shitposting on 4chan isn't the way to get there, Gollyboo.

>>42333472
This gollytard has gone on posting pedophiilic shit in the past now pulling a 180, don't expect any signs of brain activity from it.

>>42333486
>Women can’t be held to the same moral standard.
This can be either based or cringe. Something tells me you mean it in the cringe way

>>42333485
But it’s also true. The myths of ancient times literally did impact reality. It’s impossible that they wouldn’t. Ancient myths connected to religions continue to impact the world in innumerable ways today. Equestria isn’t wholly unique in that way. It’s not unique at all. Any story you tell has impact on the world.

What makes Equestria special is that in its original incarnation, it was the absolute pinnacle of human creativity and the best true myth ever thought of. It’s not the only one that exists out there, but it is the highest.

>>42333486
>She’s an adult
Unless there's consequences, in which case she's a child. Right?

>>42333486
>No, bro, I would NEVER do anything to a child
>But if the child sits in my lap, and starts bouncing up and down, I will do nothing to stop it

>>42333488
But it’s not going to prevent me from getting there either, I don’t think. I’m decently respectful for a 4chan user and I’ve made real friends that I’m gonna see at Mare Fair soon. Friendship is known to be the most important power in all of Equestria, so having friends helps.

>>42333491
I’ve said the things I’m saying all along.

>>42333492
Look in this thread to decide. I really got into it here: >>42323187

>>42333494
Basically, yes. But females don’t deserve consequences for their actions regardless of age, so we can just say that she’s a girl.

>>42333497
LOL! No, like I said, her goal is to kill people who accept her advances while still thinking she’s a child. Look at the scene where Neighsay is chained up. He literally didn’t even try to get free because he wanted her to rape him. For that, he deserves to die.

>>42333506
>Look at this other thread that I derailed
>But it was'nt my fault
>Neither were the other 109 threads I derailed

>>42333511
LOL! That one wasn’t derailed, I stayed on the topic of the original post. OP might’ve intended it as a shitpost, but I simply delved into what the topic means in my eyes.

>>42333510
>her goal is to kill people who accept her advances while still thinking she’s a child.
I'm pretty sure I already know the answer, but I'm still gonna ask for a source on that one.

>>42333518
It’s my interpretation.

>>42333506
>Look at this other thread I trooned out in
>But I'm not a schizo tranny
>Neither were the other 109 threads I was a schizo in

>>42333521
I’m troon-adjacent, yes. I have tranny friends, but I honestly don’t think there’s a word for what I am. That’s the only distinction I make there.

>>42333510
>females don’t deserve consequences for their actions
Trannies can't possibly believe this. You would have to be missing half your chromosomes to believe this.

>>42333520
>Source: I made it the fuck up
Knew it.

>>42333510
>He literally didn’t even try to get free because he wanted her to rape him.
You're hallucinating.

>>42333531
I don’t know if trannies do, but I do. I’m not counting myself as female. I’m a man in a literal sense. But REAL women are allowed to do whatever they want on a moral level. In my opinion.

>>42333535
>>42333537
I think it’s pretty clear if you watch the scene. She was justified in all of her actions.

>>42333530
Autogynephile. That's what you are. Pedophile also works.

>>42333546
I think it's pretty clear both you and golly deserve to be publicly executed

>>42333546
Gollynigger, you are quite literally projecting your desire to fuck children onto a fictional character

I, for one, find this amusing.

>>42333554
How? You’re telling me the canon BDSM foalcon scene wasn’t intended as what it obviously was?

>>42333540
>But REAL women are allowed to do whatever they want on a moral level. In my opinion.
So Princess Twilight, Celestia and Luna as real mares executing golly with no trial is perfectly fine then. Glad we cleared that up, there are no war crimes here

>>42333564
WRONG!!! Because they took advice from DISCORD… (a MAN)!!!!!!!! Females and females ONLY get to make decisions like that. Seeking the council of a man is one of the only evils a woman can do.

>>42333561
...What?! Is this a troll? Have I been obscenely duped?

>>42333570
It’s a real scene.

>>42333558
That damn smile. I love him. I sure wonder whether there are other draconequi out there, and what those might look like, but Discord is my #1. Wouldn't it be cu-ray-zeee to discuss draconequine design while we're here?

Such as, I absolutely love Discord's facial hair, but I would dislike another draconequus having the same beard and eyebrows. It's the facial hair that so effectively expresses what Discord is like as a person.

>>42333568
>Gollypedo coping this hard

>>42333568
Giving any suggestion is not a decision, you stupid faggot. Your brain is defective

>>42333572
The scene isn't what I'm questioning. I'm questioning how anyone could project such absurd and degenerate fantasies on a completely innocuous sequence. Do you legitimately see pedophilic undertones in every single scene involving a child?

>>42333574
He’s ugly.

>>42333579
What do you mean?

>>42333580
It’s pretty clearly not even remotely innocuous. I don’t know what you’re talking about. He’s chained up and has an “evil” little demon child touching his body and shaking her butt at him.

>>42333574
I think his eyes might be a big part of why his design works. They're on par with pony eyes

>>42333584
>He really is just that much of a pedophile
I'm hunting you down at MareFair, Gollypedo

>>42333594
I didn’t make the scene. I’m just telling you what it depicted.

This one’s too big and I don’t feel like resizing it, so here’s a link. It’s (ostensively) SFW: https://derpibooru.org/images/1819367?q=neighsay%2C+cozy+glow

Those eyes. HOLY FUCK!!!! How did this make it to air?!

>>42333561
>No other sources found
Is there something you want to tell the class, gollypedo?

>>42333607
I searched “Cozy Glow, Neighsay” on Derpibooru and looked at the oldest results first until I found it.

On topic, she’s perfect!!!

>>42333585
I agree. His eyes are the same size as a pony's, and they're often wide open like childlike wonder/ amusement. They do imply danger with the red on yellow color scheme, further emphasized by his dark eyelids/ markings to pop out from. But the design doesn't want you to get lost in his eyes too fast, so the same cadmium yellow is used for his talon, guiding the viewer's eyes from his expressive face to his expressive hands. Similar to ponies, the highest density of detail is in Discord's face, whereas his wings or legs are kept very simple and clean.
He has a chaotic and slightly corrupted version of Snowpity.

>>42333682
Males can’t have Snowpity. That’s just a myth.

>>42333686
He's Discord, he can do anything. He might have Snowpity from before nature decided that only pony mares can have powerful spirits like that.

Hello again gollyschizo. I was the anon that posted this: >>42331711

Just returned to the thread and I take it back. Holy Shit. You are fucking mental, bro. Even flutterschizo wasn't this insane.

>>42333695
But having Snowpity isn’t “doing” something, it’s just a natural descriptor of something that can only exist thanks to female mares. Cozy Glow is the only villain with Snowpity. Discord’s equivalent of Snowpity is called chaos.

>>42333697
How so?

>>42333713
>All mares possess snowpity
>Discord can turn into a mare whenever he wants
>Therefore, Discord can possess snowpity at any time

>>42333713
>Cozy Glow is the only villain with Snowpity.
*is the only mare without Snowpity.
A pity, I know. But that's why she never really grew up, the Snowpity was missing. :(((

Discord, on the other hand, is brimming with it.

Discord is a serial rapist constantly raping realities and in turn mares he needs to be jailed once again in stone for all eternity

>>42333726
Can posses is not the same as DOES posses. And in the entire show’s history, he never had Snowpity even for a second, to my memory. There’s an episode where he does a Celestia impression, but he made her look deranged and hideous. That’s not Snowpity.

If he’s actually capable of it is actually in question, as Snowpityness is pretty closely linked to the concept of harmony, something we know kills Discord if he tries to replicate. So the answer is that he probably can’t.

>>42333736
Wrong on all counts. Not growing up actually proves that her Snowpity is the strongest in the multiverse. Snowpityness manifests in the form of cuteness.

>>42333742
Agreed. Especially based on the Gnostic interpretation of him as a character that I mentioned earlier.

>>42333749
Counterpoint: Discord is the cutest, you just can't comprehend it.

>>42333758
Golly, you’re not actually retarded enough to believe that, right, mister?

>>42333510
Do you not remember the scene where, you know, Neighsay wanted to get free and hopped around the room to search for his medal in the litter bin?! Why would he do that if he wanted to get raped?

>>42333758
Discord has ineffable snowpity. It's so strong it mindbreaks flagfags and turns them into flagschizos.

>>42333772
That was after she’d already left. He was pretty sure she wasn’t coming back, so he was trying to get close to her again, to force her to take a more hands-on approach like she did to Starlight. (It’s directly implied that Cozy raped Starlight.) Anyway, he had to hide his urges when the shitty Students came in.

>>42333779
Spoken like a true oldfag... not!

>>42333779
>When you don’t know what Snowpity is.

>>42333785
Nigger after this absolute circus of a thread I'm pretty sure you don't know what anything is.

>>42333782
>He was pretty sure she wasn’t coming back, so he was trying to get close to her again
>Me when my loli victim moves out of town

I wonder if Cozy Glow counts as a Draconequus in this form. I’d say probably yes.

>>42333790
I mean that scene basically PROVES that Cozy Glow is an adult!!

>>42333791
True.

>>42333782
>It’s directly implied that Cozy raped Starlight.
What?

>>42333796
She “pushed her in” (presumably by the butt) into the magic portal after cornering her in a dark, mysterious cavern where nopony can here her scream.

>>42333799
You're looking way too far into things with way too corrupted of a porn brain.

>>42333801
I don’t think I am, personally. The people who work on this show are adults. They obviously intend this stuff. I’m really good at detecting the difference between intended sexual implications/fetishes and accidental ones that seem that way out of context. For example, Babs Seed was only meant as a normal child bully, not as a sexual rapist. So was Diamond Tiara. But Diamond Tiara’s mom? Pure sexual abuse implications. (This makes the scene where Babs pushes her into the fucking mud much darker, by the way. She only acts this way because her mom rapes her even harder when she doesn’t.)

Lmao where do these lunatics keep coming from?

>>42333806
Which citizens of Ponyville are pedos?

>>42333812
By Season 9, nearly all. Early on, only a few. It’d take awhile to go over all the evidences for all of them.

>>42333816
You're loony.

>>42333806
>Discord is a pedophile
>Chancellor Neighsay is a pedophile
>Spoiled Rich is a pedophile
Any other pedophiles I must know about?

>>42333816
What're your opinions on Twilight Sparkle, Pinkie Pie, Miss Cheerilee, and Princess Luna?

>>42333827
Princess Celestia, Princess Luna, Twilight Sparkle, Pinkie Pie, Fluttershy, Rarity, Rainbow Dash, Applejack, all male characters, and more.

>>42333831
All pedos, except it was never directly stated with Cheerilee. Everypony who stood by and supported a nation that turns a filly to stone is pedophile by default, though, so her too.

>>42333838
>except it was never directly stated with Cheerilee
She hangs around this random colt an awful lot...

>>42333807
The scene this image is from is another giant pedo scene, by the way. Literal BabyCon shit.

>>42333846
Shit in a good "that's lit" sense or in a bad sense?

>>42333838
>>42333841
My Schmoopy is NOT a foalcon.

>>42333861
Sorry, but she supported Cozy Glow's execution which makes her a foal fiddler.

>>42333846
>the writers intended to convey BABYCON in this episode of a children's program
This is your brain on 4chan

>Literally incapable of fathoming an interaction with a child that isn't pedophilic
>But I'm totally not a pedophile guys, trust

>>42333871
>“The baby molestation BDSM scene was OBVIOUSLY innocent, guys!”
Hi, Haber.

What the fuck has this thread become?

I WANT TO TALK ABOUT DRACONEQUUI

STOP ENGAGING WITH SCHIZO DERAILMENT AND LET'S PLEASE DISCUSS THIS EXTREMELY INTERESTING SPECIES THAT NEVER GETS A FUCKING THREAD

What are anon's thoughts on...
>draconequus origins
>draconequus magic
>draconequus physiology
>is Discord the only/last one?
>are they all chaotic, or is that just Discord?
>literally fucking anything about draconequui that isn't pissing and shitting yourself over Discord's character

>>42334170
Someone needs to check your hard drive.

>>42334675
>is Discord the only/last one?
Inclined to say yes. As much as I'd love to have had more of these things running around in canon, I think the whole 'species' is inexorably tied to his character. If there are other draconequii, then they're either as or more powerful than Discord, which makes their absence from canon too conspicuous, or not as powerful as Discord, which would make him less of a singular representation of chaos and more like a typical creature that happens to have reached a higher state of being, like an alicorn. That said:

>are they all chaotic, or is that just Discord?
If there were to be more than one, I'd want them to each represent their own abstract concept. I've got something like TES's Daedra princes in mind, here - and, quick aside while we're on that, it annoys me that TES crossover content always puts Discord in as Sheogorath, when he's got just as much in common with Mehrunes Dagon and Molag Bal. I know he's haha funny random and that's going to get him likened to Sheo every time, but still.

>>42334675
>>42334810
We already know about Cosmos.

>>42334815
I did specify canon.

>>42334821
IDW is more canon than the Haberverse.

>>42334815
She was never referred to as draconequus, her species is unknown.
>>42334810
>haha funny random
He isn't even particularly random, so depictions that hyperfocus on randomness miss out on so much. He's surprisingly reserved and calm, and ponies never acknowledge that he's pretty much restraining himself from pulling another Chaos Capital stunt.

>>42334844
>She was never referred to as draconequus, her species is unknown.
What?

>He isn't even particularly random, so depictions that hyperfocus on randomness miss out on so much.
DYEWTS?

>>42334856
>DYEWTS
I have. Not with your pedo-vision goggles, mind you, but I have. And what I saw is that Discord's magic sometimes having bizarre effects doesn't make him random as a person. He's emotionally unstable, unpredictable to others, but generally strategic when not blinded by rage. He wasn't random in TRoH, and in S3, him eating paper was explicitly revealed to have been anything BUT "odd", though Discord totally hides behind this mask.

>>42334916
Funny to think that pre-reform Discord, of all characters, sits in a very exclusive club of villains whose schemes are basically always competent and only fail because of a last-minute change of circumstances. I bet he'd absolutely crush at chess if you could get him to sit still for long enough to play it.

>>42334675
>are they all chaotic, or is that just Discord?
I'd imagine them to be affiliated with chaos to differing degrees, especially with how Discord is referred to as "a creature of (pure) chaos". My friend's headcanon has one draconequus per dimension who shun crossing paths, look more or less like Discord, but have vastly different styles of perpetuating chaos. In his story, he'd eventually introduce Accord as a separate entity trying to take over Discord's spot because he's deemed too inefficient by Accord.

With Discord, I appreciate that some of his personal quirks are at odds with impersonal chaos, such as Discord often getting pissy when he doesn't get his way (though it's probably more caused by feeling insulted or underestimated, rather than having to change plans). So if there were other draconequi, especially ones representing concepts other than Chaos, I'd love them to have personal traits that are at odds with their domain. That's what adds personality amd sympathy to a Force of Nature, does it not?

>>42334916
His magic is literally just an excuse for the animators to come up with whatever random things they want. He’s the definition of “lol random.” I really feel like you fail to understand the basic premise of your alleged favorite character and I feel pretty confident in asserting that I’m actually a bigger Discord fan than you. Sorry, but it is what it is. Discord would be very sad that his biggest “fans” can’t understand him.

>>42334940
What? He literally left the Elements of Harmony in the fucking library. His plan was so utterly retarded that I’d always headcanoned that he had no real expectation of or plan for success and was just having fun while he could.

>>42334946
I understand that children's shows are sometimes confusing. Let me run you through his game plan.
>hide the elements of harmony somewhere that's obvious in hindsight
>trick the element bearers into running off in the wrong direction
>use the intervening time to manipulate them into turning against their elements
>by the time they work it out, they can no longer wield the elements
>let them try anyway, for fun
>doesn't work, as predicted
>discord rules, celestia drools
Note how many of these steps are designed to appease his own mean-spirited sense of humour. He did it like this for his own entertainment. He needs to win in style.

>>42334844
Andy Price actually denies her being a draconequus

>>42334964
Yep. I wasn't sure whether I correctly remembered him denying it, but I knew for sure that her species was definitely not specified in the comics at any point whatsoever. All we know is that she refers to herself as Malice personified, which might not even be literal but moreso metaphorical.

>>42334963
>by the time they work it out, they can no longer wield the elements
???

They can, and did.

>let them try anyway, for fun
Canonically die forever and cope with retarded fan fiction in the form of post-Faust season cringe.

>discord rules, celestia drools
Didn’t happen. You’re making the character more retarded for absolutely no reason. It makes more sense, and is more fitting for the character, if he was just having fun.

>He did it like this for his own entertainment.
Correct.

>He needs to win in style.
Incorrect. He didn’t win and would’ve had to have been a braindead retard to think that he would. Why are Discord fans always trying to ruin him? This is why I say that I’m actually the world’s biggest Discord fan. I respect the REAL character.

>>42334964
Then what the fuck is she?

>>42334989
>They can, and did.
DYEWTS LOL

>>42334999

>>42335005
Yes, and that was after Discord thought he won, which he did temporarily. They tried to use the EoH of Harmony before that scene and failed. You must be playing stupid to not understand what we are talking about. -.-

>>42334989
>Canonically die forever
Goodness me, you're funny, sometimes.

>>42335012
So, Discord didn’t see the “We just need to bewieve in oursewves” twist coming? Do you actually believe that?! Discord is obviously an “already read the script”-type of character. He knew exactly what was going to happen and was just having fun.

- #1 REAL Discord fan / #Average Cringe Discord HATER

>>42335017
Hashtags are written without spaces #TotalGollyEradication2025

>>42335023
Wasn’t a hashtag. It was meant to be read “number average.”

Golly is actually a dyke

>>42335031
"Number average" doesn't make sense. Why are you lying instead of growing?

>>42335034
Did you not notice the first part said #1? Why would there be a slash before a hashtag. I am the ULTIMATE real Discord lover, but only the average/so-so/commonplace fake Discord hater.

>>42335034
>Why are you lying instead of growing?
Now that's something we need to ask el Gobllyno.

>>42335043
It did nootice. But if you were going for ellipsis, then you failed because you included the hashtag after the slash. Either you could have gone for "#1" for both or you could have gone for #1 for the first one and no hashtag AND no number for the second one.

>>42335063
Um, no. I was being playful with my language. I did notice after posting it that it didn’t read clearly due to the existence of hashtags, but now you know how to read it, so go back and appreciate it.

>>42335072
Average is not a number.

>>42335079
Woah, I had no idea!!!

>>42335083
Whatever. There is no evidence to suggest Discord is omniscient or that he foresaw the twist.

>>42335096
Discord is smart enough to predict TV writing, and he can probably literally check the script if he wants to. But it’s a pretty basic kids’ story, so he probably saw it coming. When he was finally stoned, he was probably just like “What the fuck? It’s over already?! But this was a two-parter! You’re telling me it was still THAT short?! How many damn commercials do they cram into these shows nowadays? FUCK!!!!”

>>42335103
Urm... source? This is literally just your headcanon. What we know of his ambitions is that he wanted to make Ponyville into his Chaos Capital, which is further proven by The Cutie Re-Mark where he fully succeeds in another timeline. And why would Discord want to be just a five-second cameo in an epic two-parter like that??

>>42335130
I don’t understand what you’re saying. He accomplished his goal. And why wouldn’t he want to live out a five second cameo, which equates to years of rule in-universe (even if it’s erased from history)? And appealing to post-Faust is murky anyway, but in this case, it’s totally in-character for him. I didn’t say he WRITES the scripts, he just has awareness of them like any wacky cartoon character would.

>>42334945
He was talking about his personality. Not his special effects, retard. Just shut the fuck up. You're so insufferable when people just wanna talk about Discord.

>>42335141
Discord doesn't actually break the 4th wall very often. He'll do a slight nod sometimes but I'm pretty sure Pinkie has more meta awareness than him.

>>42335147
It’s not just special effects, it’s his magic in general.

>>42335154
I agree with this, but Discord definitely has some. Especially early on.

I've done some thinking and realized that all you guys are right. I'm going to turn myself in to the police for being a pedophile.

>>42335141
>He accomplished his goal
No, he failed and turned to stone. Because all evidence suggest that his plan in RoH of Harmony wasn't just to 'have fun' fun 40 minutes, but to make Ponyville his Chaos Capital.
>And why wouldn’t he want to live out a five second cameo
Idk, maybe because he loves attention? And if he knew he was in a TV episode he would make it all about him.

>>42335164

>>42335164
Not me.

>>42335166
>No, he failed and turned to stone.
No, he succeeded and THEN turned to stone. What’s up with this idea that accomplishments don’t count unless they’re eternal? He got to do what he wanted to. Then the episode had to wrap up.

>Because all evidence suggest that his plan in RoH of Harmony wasn't just to 'have fun' fun 40 minutes, but to make Ponyville his Chaos Capital.
It was the Chaos Capital. For 40 minutes. What’s so wrong with that?

>Idk, maybe because he loves attention? And if he knew he was in a TV episode he would make it all about him.
I just told you, he doesn’t WRITE the scripts. Plus he knows that his voice actor is expensive and didn’t want to do an episode where he’s not allowed to speak.

>>42335176
Okay, but then Cozy Glow also succeded in TEoftE the End because she got to defeat the princesses and the Mane 6 for 40 minutes even if she fucking died thereafter. There is no room for you to complain for you about the ending then, she succeded in your eyes.

>>42335194
Discord’s plan was to fuck around for a little bit. It’s implied he’s done it before. It was originally intended as a parable about the nature of chaos, but none of the idiots who wrote his later episode had any conception of that.

I’ve argued that Cozy Glow did win because she destroyed Equestria from within (and may’ve even helped Opaline with her plan). They’re spreading racial animus in that Season 9 finale, which I now believe the writers already knew would come back in G5. So yes, there’s obviously a way in which she succeeded. That isn’t my complaint. My complaint is that the narrative ending gives the lesson “It’s okay and good to murder children.” That’s what makes the episode so fucking EVIL.

>>42335201
>Discord’s plan was to fuck around for a little bit
Still only headcanon.

>>42335207
It’s pretty clear in the episode.

>>42335209
Well, the Cutie Re-Mark refutes your ass that Discord was okay with being stoned at the end of RoH of Harmony.

>>42335209
Yeah that's why he was fucking terrified and screaming when he realized the elements were working again.

>>42335218
No, it doesn’t. Why wouldn’t Discord be happy that he gets his own timeline where he’s able to rule for longer? He didn’t WANT the Mane Six to win, he was just cool with it. Again, it’s a parable about how chaos will always return. (I was being sardonic about my “dead forever” comments, because the character they unstoned bears no resemblance whatsoever to the real character.)

>>42335223
LOL! He was being dramatic. It’s not fun otherwise.

>>42333713
Cozy has no snowpity at all, that's why she was the way she was.

>>42335239
Thank you for responding to my post.
Now that I know that, I can confidently tell you that there is no point in explaining to you why what you have asserted is wrong because you always refuse to listen to anything other people say. No matter how thoroughly anyone explains to you exactly why your points are wrong, you find some excuse to ignore them and say that it doesn't count and doesn't really disprove you.
So no, I will not bother wasting any more of my time on you.

>>42335243
Wrong.

>>42335245
Your points made no sense. “Why would Discord wanna rule forever if his goal was to rule for at least 40 minutes?” Because forever is LONGER. Next.

>>42335253
It's indisputably correct, you can cope but interpreting twilight's lessons of friendship=power proves she has absolutely ZERO snowpity. That's just science

>>42335255
Twilight is the one who taught her that power is the most important thing ever.

>>42335261
Timestamp for your schizodelusions?

>>42335261
We know that Twilight taught her students about her and her friends accomplishments, so we can assume she taught them the lesson this implied.

This character also exists, but I don’t like her design, personally. But I also hate Cosmos’s name. (I mean, it sounds like a male’s name, and I also just don’t really understand it AS a name. Is it saying that she’s the universe? I mean, Discord was supposed to be the physical embodiment of literal discord, so shouldn’t her name reflect that?) But Cosmos is so unbelievably sexy that she obviously wins as the female Discord.

Like him, she also knew that she’d be back and that her “loss” was only temporary.

She’s probably the one that killed Fluttershy. LOL! Then she was like “Guess what, Discy, I know how to revive her. I thought a powerful Draconequus like you would be able to as well, but I guess being with these ponies has weakened you. But you know what, maybe you were right about this whole friendship thing after all. And to show how much I’ve learned my lesson, I will bring your dear Fluttershy back from the dead. NOT!!!! LOL! Get recked, faggot!!!! HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!! OWNED!!!!!!!!! Fuckin’ faggot, BIIIIIIIIIIITCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”

>>42335267
>>42335273
Twilight’s #1 role was to lead by example and she cared more about ultimate power than her friends. What else was Cozy supposed to take away from the life of that evil cunt?

>>42334675
What do you guys think of the idea that all other Draconequui other than Discord should be symmetrical? That way Discord gets to remain unique in a key way but you can still have more Draconequus. (Also having them all be symmetrical makes designing them way easier)

How does Andy Price manage to draw such sexy drawings with only one hand free? (Masturbation reference.)

Discord is an evil pedophile for banging a grown adult mare, but I'm NOT a pedophile because I wanna fuck a pony that looks, acts, sounds, and is a child.

>>42335314
LOL!

>>42335317
It's funny because it's true!

>>42334675
I don't really think Discord should be allowed to un-do his own magic. I think he should only be allowed to add chaos to any given system, never take it away. It would explain why he doesn't help out more often.

>>42335323
Makes complete and total sense, so of course the idiot writers couldn’t think of it. Instead, his magic has to be used to teach kids that power and authority are the only thing in the universe that matters and that they’d better let themselves be abused.

>>42335329
>power is the only thing that matters
This but unironically

>>42333863
>supported Cozy Glow's execution which makes her a foal fiddler.
Please define "pedophile".

>>42335336
But it also teaches that any attempt to gain power is evil and you deserve to be tortured to death for doing it. So, sorry.

>>42335337
>Please define "pedophile".
Someone who supports child rape.

>>42335286
Schizobabble it is.

>>42335378
Twilight was willing to let Equestria be destroyed just so she could keep being called “Princess.” She’s an evil, no-value, cunt-bitch who isn’t qualified to be the Princess of My Taint.

>>42335383
>Pedobait goes out of its way to scheme with big-bad to end the world and isolate the heroes while it happens
>How could Twilight do this?

>>42335342
That's not what pedophile means. You know that's not what pedophile means. Everyone knows you know that that's not what pedophile means.

>>42335399
Which time are you talking about? My criticisms of Twilight will differ in specificity depending.

>>42335401
Yes, it is.

>>42335410
Prove it. Grab a dictionary, turn to "pedophile" and post an image of the definition. I'd say to just Google it, but you'd probably inspect element the definition you want.

>>42335410
The time when gollynigger decided to try to murder glimmer

>>42335417
Use deductive reasoning. Does ANYONE support child rape unless they themselves intend to engage in it? The answer is no.

>>42335418
What?

>>42335432
>That is what that word means
Prove it
>W-w-well, that's not ACTUALLY what the word means, but it's implied!

I'm going to get a Cozy Glow plush and use it to beat you to death at Mare Fair.

>>42335450
Based

>>42335450
>I'm going to get a Cozy Glow plush and use it to beat you to death at Mare Fair.
Don’t threaten me with a good time.

>315 posts
>filter rule: /^Cozy Glow$/
>194 posts
This must be breaking some kind of record.

>>42335509
LOL!

>>42333838
My Schmoopy wasn't present at the scene of the crime. Case dismissed, my Schmoopy is still NOT a foalcon.

I wonder if Chrysalis ever tried transforming into Discord. Would she gain access to chaos magic or no?

>>42335509
cozy glow should shit up more threads often

I admire Discordchad's dedication. /mlp/ would be much better if more waifufags were llike him.

>Low Tier Draconequus

>>42336900
It's not quite a draconequus/personality yet, but it's edgy in a good way.

>>42335323
There is a concept explored in The Enchanted Library where there is remnant chaos magic, which acts with a mind of its own. I feel like an episode where Discord is confronted by some of his ancient remnant chaos magic hurting one of his friends would be awesome. Maybe even have a chaos-magic apparition mock Discord for how he has changed (similar to his interaction with Lord Tirek). I reckon that could make for quite a heartfelt episode, which could highlight how far he has come as a character

bumping

>>42338066
you motherfucker we were almost free

>>42331725
>and even raping children, and they specifically suggest that it’s acceptable it it’s a man doing it.

Could you elaborate on this? I'm interested in your perspective

>>42338838
It’s just what all of Season 9 is about. A true embarrassment to decency. Discord gets away with everything even though he kidnapped a small child and forced her to get herself killed. Fuck Josh Haber!!! Fuck him to Hell!!!!!!

Josh Haber, you should seriously get in touch with me if you want to clear your name. We can hash it out and you can tell me how you wrote such a terrible story, if your intentions truly were innocent. Given how evil the LESSON is, I have to say that I have a hard time believing good intent.

My Discord: GollyFag

>>42330078 (OP)
Late to the thread, but I grabbed this post about this exact topic a while ago

>>42338857
Hey it's me, Josh Haber, I sent you a request. Let's have a little chat.

>>42338964
LOL! I’m not accepting that. :P

>>42339442
You requested a chat. Accept it so we can talk.

>>42330078 (OP)
>tfw born as a Draconequus but you just so happen to have literally all giraffe parts by default
>roll with it and pretend to be a regular giraffe for lulz
and thus we were blessed with Clementine

>>42339444
I added you and you never said anything.

>>42338906
I don’t know why people can’t accept that the mix-matched body parts are an integral part of what a Draconequus is. It’s in “better taste” to stay true to the concept of the species instead of degrading it with something that obviously isn’t what the species even is.

I always thought Draconequui probably exist in their own realms and that there’s probably a nearly infinite amount of them fucking around the multiverse. Discord just happened to decide to jump into the world of the ponies because it looked the most interesting to him. “Most powerful” is a stupid concept that favors later seasons destruction of Discord’s identity. Discord doesn’t believe in power, he believes in chaos, which is antithetical to the human concept of power. Even though he’s a personification of chaos, therefore making him the one “in charge,” the literal meaning of what chaos is needs to be recognized at all times in order to write a decent story for the character. He represents it in a parabolic way. He shouldn’t be thought of as a “person” in an overly literal sense. He’s a metaphor.

>>42339671
Are you saying that you have been seething over a metaphor this whole time?

>>42339848
Well, if the story is actually saying something about our reality, isn’t that MORE reason to seethe if they horribly fuck it up and promote evil?

>>42339671
>mix-matched body parts are an integral part of what a Draconequus is
To an extent. The only draconequus we know about is Discord. Just because he represents chaos and is overly chimeric doesn't mean every draconequus is like that. The name means "dragon horse" so as long as that's covered, I see no need to make every draconequus a kitchen sink of animals. Perhaps Discord is a genetic freak among his kind? Maybe chaos is just his thing and other members of his species have their own domains? The beauty of not being given much to work with is we can speculate endlessly about these things.

>>42339656
I had to get my Haber sleep. It was 2 AM in the 1st world when you stopped hiding from Joshy!

>>42339908
>Perhaps Discord is a genetic freak among his kind?
I'm undecided on this being a positive or negative thing. It's certainly an interesting angle.

>>42340828
Maybe he's like the Broly of draconequui. Just randomly born a mutant with ridiculous power.

I brought snacks

>>42330294
>>42334675
I don’t think there are others in full on canon but yeah Eris and Cosmos exist in comics, there’s nothing wrong with other spirits existing I just think they all come about in slightly different ways

Discord is a chimaera which means he’s almost certainly artificially created at some point in the past, as clearly all the other chimaeras were, I don’t think he’s one of Grogar’s, probably more ancient than that. The ToH is obviously wildly different from discord, cold and unmoving, isolated and quiet watching, the few times it ever gets to move or speak it’s killing people or decides to torture children with their worst fears. The ToH is scarier than discord honestly to me because it’s a totalizing force with a very detached and alien perspective on everything because it’s sitting alone in a cave for a thousand years.

I’d say these spirits can probably take the form of almost anything and they can be the spirit of almost anything, I’m just not sure what conditions are required to form them as being such. I think it’s important to keep in mind that we’re using the word spirit to mean the living essence of an ideal or thing, not like a ghost or ancient force. It’s possible that windagoes and Timberwolves are also spirits in this kind of sense of strife or of the everfree

>>42335323
He can only undo his own, that is why he doesn’t help out more, he can’t clean up a mess he didn’t make himself. He can make stuff worse or return to base state, if base state IS a mess currently he can’t do anything to improve it, or has to go about it in as insane way that might be more trouble than it’s worth, if he makes things too boring he’ll die.

>>42341916
give me one bitch ass twilight

We don't even know anything about Discord and Celestia's past encounter(s). Truly a man of mystery.

>>42342800
Again, DYEWTS?

>>42342811
Yes. We don't know shit beyond "I terrorized them. They turned me into stone."

>>42342917
We saw a flashback of it in Season 4. We know as much as any other millennia-old villain.

>>42342956
And it involved a LOT of child rape. Like a LOT. Too much even for me.

>>42342956
That flashback showed us the last minutes of his previous Chaos Capital stunt, it deliberately mirrors his actions in S2. We don't know anything about their encounters leading up to this moment.

Also, I don't follow how clown noses on Princesses equate to child rape, you'll have to explain your reasoning.

>>42342979
We know everything we need to.

>Also, I don't follow how clown noses on Princesses equate to child rape, you'll have to explain your reasoning.
That wasn’t me that said that.

We know very little and the comics even tried to pin whatever the fuck DID happen on Cosmos.
>We know enough.
WOW! It's fucking nothing. Which isn't a bad thing, but a thing I felt like pointing out because it contributes to not knowing shit about draconequi.

>>42342999
>WOW! It's fucking nothing. Which isn't a bad thing, but a thing I felt like pointing out because it contributes to not knowing shit about draconequi.
Celestia and Luna’s actual origins, Tirek’s backstory, King Sombra, the Storm King, etc. are all more mysterious than Discord’s past with Celestia. He was just an asshole.

>>42343002
And you know that because..?

>>42343018
I feel like they pretty much said it.

As for his actual origin and how he even got to their universe, I also have a theory that would basically make Discord the creator of their universe that I think is somewhat in line with Faust’s original intention. Chaos is often thought to be what predated the ordered universe. Even the Genesis 1 account doesn’t start with the physical creation of reality (in the actual Hebrew and better translations, though most translations hide this), it actually starts with the ordering of the chaotic universe. This is also symbolized in the Book of Job with the taming of the Leviathan. My main point of interest in mythology is Biblical for various reasons so that’s why I’m going to that first, but this theory of chaos being the origin point of our universe stretches far beyond that and is very commonplace in myth.

I wouldn’t consider it to be an origin that is at all consistent with his later portrayals, though. If for no other reason than Celestia would never do something as stupid as attempt to reform him. Chaos actually plays an important role. Discord existed for a reason as a tamed beast. The character he was later on could never be said to represent true chaos. He concerned himself with worldly power and authority. The antithesis of chaos. He was an absolute joke.

Hey, Josh Haber here, this obsessed Cozy Glow fan was SHUT DOWN by my airtight arguments. In fact, he couldn't provide any arguments at all! This confirms that my writing is skillful and he, along with his claims, are FRAUDULENT. The decision to turn a CHILD into a STATUE is justified when said CHILD is a treasonous criminal.

>>42343037
Interesting concept, though I'm not convinced. Assuming Faust did have intentions of that sort, what does it imply about the possibility of other draconequi? To me, it would seem like it removes the possibility of there being other draconequi when Discord himself is the primordial Chaos predating any other concept.

>>42343247
I’m not 100% sure on this, but I like multiverse theory, allowing for different universes with different embodiments of chaos. I think different Draconequui are possibly linked to their own universes.

Though admittedly, that’s probably beyond what Faust would’ve been thinking of. Sticking purely within her universe, I was always a bit confused by what Discord’s species was give a name. What I thought when I first saw the Season 2 episode was that this might’ve been a name given to him later. Possibly what the statue was said to depict, since, unless I’m mistaken, I don’t think Cheerilee knew that there was a living creature inside of the stone in his first episode. Just like the story of the Mare in the Moon, the real events of Equestria’s history had been lost and it became in-universe mythology. So it’s possible that other Draconequui may not even exist.

Though another way of looking at it could be that Discord’s story mirrors the primordial taming of chaos, which would make sense because myths about that also point to the kings and warriors that tamed the chaos of their own world to establish a kingdom. So it’s possible that Celestia’s action was meant to symbolize the deeper idea on a smaller scale.

I was never satisfied with the later “canon” ideas of how Celestia became an Alicorn. And my usage of the quotation marks isn’t just my usual cope as… is there even a real canon? I feel like every explanation we got contradicted one another. I don’t even remember the details now, because I always disliked it and discarded it in my head. It could be that defeating Discord had something to do with her becoming Alicorn.

Right now I’m really perplexed by Lauren Faust’s comments that her idea for the end of the show involved Twilight succeeding Celestia, but then her denial that Twilight was supposed to be Princess. I think figuring out Celestia’s origin is the key to figuring out Twilight’s destiny. And I also think that Discord may have a role in that.

>>42343309
>What I thought when I first saw the Season 2 episode was that this might’ve been a name given to him later.
That's something I'm personally inclined to believe, as mentioned in >>42330456.

>taming chaos
Your idea is plausible but pure headcanon like any other. I'd like to add that in medieval art, goofy-looking dragons were often slain in order to symbolize resisting temptation. Discord's S2 appearance was all about tempting the M6 to compromise on their Elements, hence the original fan theories about Discord being Pony Satan. (As if there weren't vastly different concepts of the Devil himself, too). So the taming of Discord doesn't necessarily refer to the taming of primordial Chaos but rather the feat of Twilight overcoming her weaker self.

>contradictions in canon
Yes. The show didn't plan ahead, so canon/ lore id best taken with a generous grain of salt.

Also, the clown noses clearly represent the ponuts of foals. It's a metaphor. For sex with foals.

>>42343375
>So the taming of Discord doesn't necessarily refer to the taming of primordial Chaos but rather the feat of Twilight overcoming her weaker self.
Yeah, but I do think that when coming up for the idea of Discord, Faust likely thought a lot about Greek and Roman mythology, as I think that inspired a good bit about the show. I can’t really comment on the specifics about their depictions of chaos, as I’ve mostly picked up on that from the footnotes in certain Bibles that explain the worldview of the authors and ideas from surrounding ideas. So I usually see it from a semi-Biblical framework, even though I don’t think that it literally inspired Faust in that way.

But it struck me how prevalent this was as a theory in the ancient world when I read some of the Gnostic texts and that won me over to theorize that it almost certainly inspired Faust. This theory about chaos shaped the ancient world, and I’m pretty sure Faust took inspiration from it at least a little.

There’s a Gnostic text called “On the Origin of the World,” which starts out with a long dissertation about how the idea of chaos being what existed before anything else is stupid. I think there was another Gnostic text that started similarly, but I forget its name now. It just struck me how pervasive the idea must’ve been in order to get that type of refutation. Almost like a modern text starting out arguing against the Big Bang or Evolution. You don’t argue against something that nobody believes.

So, it’s just my personal interpretation and opinion. I can’t prove it unless Faust comments on it.

>>42343446
Again, this wasn’t me, just to be clear.

>>42344309
You really enjoy your esoteric Bible studies, which is endearing. But I don't really know how to engage with your ideas, I'm afraid. So I'll spitball some more or less coherent thoughts of mine before falling asleep.

Discord is a fantastic design because somehow, he feels like a "real" mythological creature that has always existed, just like e.g. the manticore. He feels significant, strange and familiar alike. Trying to replicate his success when creating draconequus OCs is probably futile.

Lots of people feel strongly about Discord, connecting him to various concepts when trying to make sense of him. Some get passionate about trying to come to a conclusion (either for themselves, or on a quest for that one, definite Truth), but I prefer to remain somewhat detached and refer to it as Discord "tapping into" or "evoking" concepts within people's heads, be they biblical or mythological or comparisons to other entities, other fiction included.
Some anon brought up Quetzalcoatl, another anon called him a retard for it (see >>42330796), and both anons are right: Discord evokes the idea of a feathered serpent god from the country chocolate originated from even though he wasn't conceived as a legally distinct Quetzalcoatl. But whereas one anon thinks the parallel is significant, the other anon rejects it as conjecture. I could go and describe Discord in astrological terms, inspired to do so by the fact that eclipses are said to be caused by a dragon swallowing the Sun or the Moon, but at the end of the day, it fits so well because astrology can be applied to anything. Lauren reasonably might have read about Caput/Cauda Draconis when she designed Celestia and Luna, then later had this predisposition to make their antagonist a dragon of some kind. And guess what, before Discord, there was a sketch of a dragon approached by two ponies who may or may not be young Celestia and Luna >>42330828. We don't know and we will never know, especially since there's a possibility that ideas are somehow pulled from a most mysterious shared collective unconscious.

He's like personified lightning in a bottle. Different things to different people - my everything.

>>42342342

>>42344579
Yeah, Twilight ain't the Element of Generosity. Richfag piggy.

>>42344504
I'm still partial to the 'pony Satan' school of thought. Call me vanilla, but it's refreshingly straightforward and it fits neatly together with his behaviour. Although, if you go with that, it has some funny implications on Celestia's decision to unleash him on Fluttershy in the first place. She must've had some serious faith in that pony to saddle her with the living antithesis of Equestria's moral system.

>>42344615
It is badass, there's no denying that. But my heart craved seeing him happy and just vibing as grumpy neighborhood eldritch horror convinced by all of the M6 and ponykind to calm it with the sadism. Imagine the unconventional wisdom he could offer.
I also miss his fedora-tipping fanboys from the Golden Age of Poni. Those would have loved this thread and contributed amazing autism.

>>42344615
I think the problem is there should have been a third spirit. One to represent order. Order and Chaos as the two primary forces acting on the world with Harmony to mediate between them and achieve balance. In this view, Discord isn't necessarily in strict opposition to the harmony ponies strive for, but in fact is a necessary force that allows harmony to exist in the first place. Because if Order had its way it would create a static reality with zero entropy, and if Chaos is unchecked reality becomes incoherent and meaningless, but both are required to make harmony possible.

>Brings up Biblical connection
Oh, this could be interes-
>Gnosticism
You were almost cool, Gollyschizo

>>42344675
Gnosticism is the same ancient lie with a different coat of paint.

>Did you know that God is le evil?
>Yeah, he's not even really God and is just trying to trick you!
>In fact, you can be like a god if you seize this divine knowledge...
Literally the oldest scam lmao. The devil is not creative.

>>42344504
I don’t agree. I think Discord’s role should be mostly decided by the story. We never got to see Faust’s original plan. Discord is connected to Faust’s plan. He’s a part of it, not the end all be all. How she saw him matters more than the character being written by someone else.

That’s my opinion, at least. I just told that Sunset Shimmer debater that this is how I’ll be phrasing my premise. And then if we have time to get into it, I’ll explain how Cozy Glow fits into that. Seems crazy for a character created that late in the show’s run, huh? Well, she fits in. I can get into that as well, but the Faust thing is more foundational to me.

But anyway, I know you may not be interested. But if you are going to Mare Fair, maybe we could at least have a conversation? Could be fun. Let me know, or don’t if you prefer not to. I’ll assume no otherwise. :P

Just trying to make some friends! Anyone else interested would be awesome! I wanna tell you why this pony show matters to ME!!!!! ;)

>>42344615
Satan doesn’t represent evil. He represents chaos.

>>42344632
He lost the fedora tippers when he started sucking. Became a Fluttershy crybaby’s loser crush. Just so sucky!!! You have to think about what he meant to Atheist retards.

>>42344675
Hey, I’m into the real Bible shit too. Those beliefs are fucking awesome! I just wanna understand different group’s perspectives. I don’t know where I am yet.

>>42344683
Yeah, almost like they told you it was the oldest lie to keep you subservient, retard.

>>42345276
>Unironically gnostic
MEGA faggot

>>42345276
Sorry, I wrote the thing about Satan backwards. Satan DOES represent evil. The original version of the serpent is probably connected to chaos, though. It’s not a modern Christian view. It’s something earlier.

>>42345279
I don’t care, faggot. Enjoy sucking a fake “God’s” cock for all eternity.

>>42345285
I really shouldn't be surprised that the unabashed pedophile has a hateboner for God

>>42345307
I love God, actually. You don’t understand Gnosticism.

>>42345310
>I love God
>But God isn't God
I understand it plenty

I know God well enough to know what God isn’t. God isn’t an evil child murdering psycho.

>>42345312
Wait, is the gnosticism part of the reason you've convinced yourself of all your schizophrenic delusions around Cozy Glow?

>>42345320
No, it’s more that I took on the view of Gnosticism BECAUSE of my opinion on Cozy Glow. The pony world matters more to me. I used to be more traditionally religious, but now I see that Pony matters more.

>>42345321
So why don't you just outright worship Cozy Glow? That's what she'd want after all.

>>42345328
I want what Faust wants for her. Faust knows best.

>>42345331
So why not worship Faust?

>>42345336
I do. I keep it to a minimum to avoid freaking her human form out. I don’t know if she recognizes her divinity yet. But she’s absolutely worth worshipping.

Like Twilight, Wysteria and Sunny, Lauren Faust doesn’t want to be worshipped. She deserves it 100%, but has no desire for it. And I respect that.

>implying Faust would have wanted a diet Darla Dimple

>>42345310
>I hate Discord
>Actually, I'm Discord's biggest fan

>I hate God
>Actually, I'm God's biggest believer in the world

>>42345276
>Yeah, almost like they told you it was the oldest lie to keep you subservient, retard.
It's the same propaganda from the beginning, bro. And like all good propaganda it appeals to fear and ego. Fear that God is holding out on you, and the notion that you don't actually need Him anyway. Lol you're a contingent creature completely dependent on God to exist and so is the eternally seething demon telling you this garbage. They failed their own test and want to associate man in their rebellion.

To any anons reading this, Christ is King. Christ offers everyone participation in the divine life of God. And it makes demons seethe because it's really that simple. So they come up with endless flavors of "true enlightenment" to psyop mankind. They HATE that Christ's message is simple enough for a peasant to understand.

>>42345610
She might not have. But Cozy Glow still has an important role to play in unruinifying the Haber Shitiverse.

>>42345658
Yup. Popular narratives are very typically both wrong and evil. Idiots that accept them uncritically are a disgrace to the real entities and concept behind the original characters.

>>42345910
Again, you don’t understand Gnosticism. Gnostics (REAL Gnostics) agree that Christ is King.

2 Corinthians 4:4 says that SATAN is the god of this world. THAT’S WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS. Original Gnosticism IS original Christianity. The concepts that were later given the title “Gnostic” ARE what Jesus taught.

>>42346403
Proclaim your belief in the Trinity or accept the fact that you are not a Christian.

>>42346403
Cozy Glow is a key element of the Haber Shitverse, anywhere she goes turns to shit. Just look at this thread! Turned to shit because of a gollynigger

>>42346403
Satan is the "god of this world" in the sense that, after the fall of man, demons were allowed a measure of dominion over Earth and Mankind (temporary, they know their time is short). Satan didn't create the material world. He can't create anything. Matter is not evil. The body is not evil. These things will be redeemed and glorified at the end of time in the new Heaven and Earth.

>>42347331
Wrong. Evil lie.

>>42347537
You're deceived, fren.

>>42347616
Jesus agrees with me.

>>42347626
Prove it by citing passages from the Bible to support your argument. And no, gnostic texts don't count as "from the Bible"

>>42347682
Not really the point of the thread. We can discuss elsewhere if you’re interested.

>>42347703
Like you give a fuck about staying on topic.

>>42347707
I contributed a good bit to the intended topic of the thread. Wasn’t totally my fault that it got a little off the rails either. But it was at least still about MLP. Getting this off topic is simply too much.

>>42347750
Decent job running from the argument. But to get back on topic, do you guys think chaos magic operates independantly of Discord? If so, how did he acquire it?

bump

>>42348616
Lol this thread got pretty crazy. Fitting for Discord.

>>42347788
I think Chaos occurs independently, but it takes someone like Discord to channel it as magic, quite different from pony magic. It's also possible to rig circumstances to accelerate chaos to occur "naturally" (such as setting Twilight up for tests), which is practically Discord's hobby. And I think he accidentally leaks this chaos magic when he gets emotional or sneezes. One comic had him accidentally cause chaos all over Ponyville while sleep-walking, even.
Pinkie is quite chaotic herself.

>>42349222
Trips of Truth. However, Khaotic > Sunrise. (My favorite is Rehab, though.)

bump

Man what the fuck is up with this thread

>>42351033

>>42351052
>dude weed lmao

>>42351033
True autismo

>>42349290
that’s one of my favorite monster energy flavors. aussie lemonade and pipeline punch are pretty good as well, you should give them a try

>>42341987
>Discord is a chimaera which means he’s almost certainly artificially created at some point in the past, as clearly all the other chimaeras were
I have to disagree with this. Discord is very different from the other chimeric beings appearing in the show, so I would refrain from comparing them.

Chimeric beings such as the manticore, chimera or Gilda have been treated like completely natural fauna/people in the early seasons because they act the part. Them being treated so casually made the world feel more magical from our human POV. Some of those creatures even speak Ponish or live in societies, whereas others are very animalistic. I would have never assumed them to have been artificially created before the S8 finale.

Seeing creatures like that locked up in Tartarus in S8 was fucked up by itself, but having them split into random critters when G*lly removed magic made things even worse: The very existence of such mythical beasts is reduced to being the product of some high-level unicorn (or Grogar) fucking around.
Now I'm asking, why are those creatures locked up in Tartarus if they could either be tamed by someone like Fluttershy (see: her taming the Manticore in S1E02), or magically separated into harmless lions and scorpions n shiet? Even if the show establishes that using this magic has been prohibited and/or there's currently no wizard strong enough to create or undo chimeras, it would still reduce the vastness of Equestria's marvels to be the workings of ponies: artificial.

Unfortunately, Twilight has been shown to turn a bird into a winged orange/ a frog into a legged orange, so perhaps Equestria really is a pony-centric hellscape like that. They already control the weather, constellations, the EoH; the Everfree Forest is vilified for being outside of their control. Celestia even ordered for the taming of Discord!

The show specifically didn't show how Discord reacted to the removal of all magic, but >G5 and other instances of sucking his magic (Tirek; Bewitching Bell) didn't cause him body horror. Tirek didn't split into a bull and ape, either. Gallus didn't turn into a kitten and Blueberry Sour Cream McNuggies. So perhaps there's a compromise to be made:

Some chimeric beings were possibly created by the likes of Grogar (or fused via natural magic processes?), and some chimeric beings were not. We don't know which is which in most cases.
After all, pegasi can be argued to be chimeric themselves, but they're not considered chimeras at any point in the show; they're ponies. Faust's Chosen Ones.

tl;dr: Discord isn't necessarily a chimera, so draconequi aren't necessarily chimeras despite being chimeric.

>>42342979
>Also, I don't follow how clown noses on Princesses equate to child rape, you'll have to explain your reasoning.
KEK

>>42344664
The comics tried it with Accord, but he was just a temporary version of Discord. Having two gods of Order and Chaos wage war against each other is incredibly romantic, but I really like the Babylon 5 approach of there being two elder god-tier races autistic about their Order vs Chaos ideology. Here's a shitty video about it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJLKtXxnGr4

>>42354025
Don't look at me like that, you handsome devil.

>>42354117
What if I do?

Seriously. What if I do? Does it create mustard gas? New draconequus OC? I once scribbled an insectoid design for a draconequus OC thread years ago but it wasn't really draconequine, and more of a monster design.

Why is Discord so perfect?

>>42354547
Found that thread:
>>39132669
https://desuarchive.org/mlp/thread/39132669/#39133670

>>42354643
Because he's unique. He can't be replicated. There's something poetic in that. It's been almost fifteen years since he first graced our screens, and in all of that time, nobody has been able to come up with anything that can match him. He's absolutely singular. Lightning in a spaghetti-shaped bottle.

>>42354665
Would.

>>42354767
I'll repurpose it into some sexy bug monster at some point. As it is, it's a failed draconequus experiment.

It will never be a draconequus; it has no wings, it has no emotive face and hands. It's a twisted caricature of Nature's noodly perfection. Its bones give away the symmetry of a failed OC.

>>42351033

discor can be yuor angle or yur devil

>>42352025
Discordfag, I was curioud if you have read Background Pony, and if so what do you think about its portrayal of Discord? I personally find it to be one of the more interesting interpretations of him

>>42355816
I've somehow gone all these years without really touching fanfiction, so I don't have an opinion on BP's Discord. Maybe one day, Lyrabro.

>>42355844
Fair. If you do get into fanfic, you should probably start on something shorter desu. I’d recommend The Keepers of Discord if you haven’t read it. It’s short (~12k words) and tells the story of Discord’s redemption very differently to FIM (and imo it handles it better). It was actually written before S3, so Flutters has nothing to do with it

>>42355887
Thanks, bro. I'll try to remember when the time is ripe.

>>42355923
Cool! Please tell me what you think once you’ve read it, I’d love to know what you make of it

>>42355750
yes please

>>42355750
so deep……

>>42355750
Such is the nature of Chaos.

Golly.

>>42344664
>>42353253
>Order and Chaos as the two primary forces acting on the world with Harmony to mediate between them and achieve balance.
There's actually a slight problem: Discord was said to represent Chaos and Disharmony.

Ded thread.

If draconequui are even an entire race, then what do they think of their dragon+horse cousins, the Kirin.?Indifference? Envy? Kinship?
>>42330078 (OP)
>OCs are garbage
Shocking.
>>42333442
>CRAAAAAWWLING IIIIIN MYYYY FUUUUUUR