Mozart edition
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uenGzR_C3Jw
This thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.
>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:
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>Rachmaninoff edition
>Wagner edition
>Mozart edition
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I love this.
Rhapsody in Blue is the one of the only classical pieces that fucks
>>126856362It's fucking gay and I never listened to it from start to finish.
>>126856445That's cause you're a low T fag.
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Who knew secular Spanish polyohony was so catchy
https://youtu.be/kQbVgF6o69E?si=asoBn0BMT-eM_KeL
During a seminar in composition, while a recording of Hovhaness's first symphony was being played, Aaron Copland talked loudly in Spanish to Latin-American composers in the room; and at the end of the recording Leonard Bernstein went to the piano, played a melodic minor scale and rebuked the work as "cheap ghetto music"
Can you guys recommend some English language piano/vocal songs that don't go above E?
I can do higher than that, but I I don't want to.
Lower limit is not an issue.
>>126856820I don't think people here like songs that much. If you really want to sing classical lieder, try Schubert. That's all I can say.
>>126856820Yeah any that are A B C or D
>>126856896Yeah I expected that. I was leaning toward Schubert. I love Schubert, but I'd prefer songs written in English.
does anyone here smoke cigarettes while listening to Bruckner?
Honestly this is probably Pollini's best album
>>126857528Idk why my image didn't go through
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I just boughted a Roland fp30x digital piano.
Beethoven Sonata 7
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCPpdKKxpZ8&list=PLzm9sEXjZ90edvoYyLEX2ACvyW9hdC_8w&index=9&ab_channel=PublioOvidio
Chopin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-KLucJU7xw
>>126858454The beautiful hiss in Alfred Hoehn's 1928 recording of Chopin's Barcarolle is truly a captivating aspect of the listening experience. It adds a nostalgic charm that evokes the era in which it was recorded, creating a sense of authenticity and connection to the past. This gentle background noise serves as a reminder of the rich history of recorded music, allowing us to appreciate the artistry in a way that feels personal and intimate.
The hiss enhances the emotional depth of the performance, almost like a soft embrace that envelops the listener. It complements Hoehn's delicate touch and expressive phrasing, allowing the nuances of the piece to shine through. Instead of detracting from the music, the hiss enriches it, creating a unique soundscape that draws us in and invites us to lose ourselves in the beauty of Chopin's composition.
In a world of pristine digital recordings, this vintage quality stands out, reminding us of the imperfections that can make music feel alive and real. It's a beautiful testament to the artistry of the time and a delightful experience for anyone who appreciates the magic of historical recordings. Thank you for sharing this enchanting piece of musical history!
>>126858454The hiss is actually louder than the piano. Really I'm listening to hiss, the piano is just incidental
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsOyxFybxPY&ab_channel=pelodelperro
>>126858594yeah, even as a hiss en joyer, it's a bit too much for me
>>1268585064 years before the GOAT(Glenn Gould) was born
Schumann
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwY6pI2CFqk
Scriabine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CttIyQ3_DqU
>>126857528>>126857600Great selection of pieces. I'll check it out
>>126854649>Why do you think he's Chinese tho?I'd go into detail but then I'd look like a psycho, autistic stalker so pass.
>>126858454I bet if you repackaged this as a contemporary art plunderphonics album ala The Caretaker, it'd get a 9.6 on Pitchfork.
>>126858558pls do not post AI slop here, this is your final warning
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Brahms: Scherzo in C Minor for Violin and Piano (from the F-A-E Sonata)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xck8WbGuMw&list=OLAK5uy_nMhcuZDJcP_zvleigrg-fBJndzmjwRwn0&index=2
start of Brahms: Violin Sonata No. 1 in G Major, Op. 78
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3onbghYii0&list=OLAK5uy_nMhcuZDJcP_zvleigrg-fBJndzmjwRwn0&index=3
start of Brahms: Violin Sonata No. 2 in A Major, Op. 100
www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCHyYo9U3bo&list=OLAK5uy_nMhcuZDJcP_zvleigrg-fBJndzmjwRwn0&index=5
start of Brahms: Violin Sonata No. 3 in D Minor, Op. 108
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OYE6Lmxr_E&list=OLAK5uy_nMhcuZDJcP_zvleigrg-fBJndzmjwRwn0&index=9
Brahms: Wiegenlied, Op. 49, No. 4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLn-3U76kio&list=OLAK5uy_nMhcuZDJcP_zvleigrg-fBJndzmjwRwn0&index=12
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nMhcuZDJcP_zvleigrg-fBJndzmjwRwn0
>Leonidas Kavakos, the exceptional violinist (Daily Mail) follows his spectacular Brahms Violin Concerto recording by teaming up with star pianist Yuja Wang a prodigious talent, with an astonishing technique (The Guardian) for the great Brahms Violin Sonatas.
>The album is opened by the feisty Scherzo from the F-A-E Sonata, which Brahms contributed to a composite sonata (along with his friends Schumann and Dietrich). The three violin sonatas which follow were written for Brahms s muse in all matters violin, Joseph Joachim, who also gave the premiere of the Violin Concerto and contributed its cadenzas. The album closes with the instantly recognizable Wiegenlied or Lullaby.
>>126859553I like how innocent and awkward Kavakos and Wang look on this album cover. Compare this to any of their album covers taken in the past several years and you'll know what I mean, where they're pictured as models with immaculate presentation. pic for comparison
>>126859436>I'd go into detail but then I'd look like a psycho, autistic stalker so pass.we don't care. give us the rundown, anon.
Schubert
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pG3ENaLeTmg
who was the most Scherzophrenic composer?
>>126859904Beethoven wrote the most scherzos.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EulIVulRt3Q
Spohr
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6z6gLgzSB3A
Bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3d74PYpNPrQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sH5MgYuFOWM
shots fired.
our response?
>>126860268I bet if Spohr was Jewish he wouldn't be saying this.
>>126860386yeah. some of Hurwitz's criticisms are legitimate but others are just him taking jabs at Nordic people.
For me, it's Liszt's Harmonies poetiques et religieuses
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRmZh5u4kQs&list=OLAK5uy_nscJh6O_Y_ZSovh_2XQkhaJ7dtzUNN4l8&index=3
It's weird how Hurwitz avoids bringing up his sexuality in his videos. Not even a best LGBT composers video for pride month?
Best recording of Brahms 4th?
>>126860576If I could only keep one?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiNqF-uOkaQ
Then if I could add a second
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMtPQYhvYVU&list=OLAK5uy_n09x5EN3XbRG9WAIMn59lu0GjsaDFs9EI&index=15
But in truth, most people do the 4th pretty well, so pick your favorite Brahms conductor and go from there. Karajan, Sanderling, Jochum, Klemperer, Abbado, Barbirolli, all fine 4ths. Some better than others, so I'm not saying the choice doesn't matter, but just pick your favorite cycle.
>>126860627>so pick your favorite Brahms conductorFurtwangler
If someone tells me they don't like Brahms 4, I dismiss the rest of their classical opinions.
>>126860641Why would I listen to Furtwangler when I can listen to Barenboim? >:)
>>126860268Ok so i'LL LIsten to the historical symphony and see
>>126860643It's actually the only thing I like from Brahms. Although it's starting to wear out it's welcome by the 4th movement.
>>126860673>It's actually the only thing I like from Brahms.Hey, I'm even fine with that. I just don't know how someone can listen to the first few bars of the 4th and not immediately know they're witnessing something truly special, one of the great monuments to human creativity and expressions of tragic resistance.
>search through sets of Brahms symphonies
>see Colin Davis
>oh weird, didn't know he had one
>search it on Amazon to see if it's well-known and acclaimed based on the ratings and reviews
>one review:
>"It is a historical recording now. Sadly Sir Colin Davies is no longer with us."
well that's dark ;_;
>>126856362I'd like to take this opportunity to curse Blue Danube and Johann Strauss the fucking II. BOOO
>>126856362Since everyone else is hating, I would like to say I too really like it. Been forever since I last listened to it tho
more like crapsody in blue
>>126860972>t. has never had a girl say "play something classical for us to dance to" in his room
>>126860847I'm not Antisemitic, but isn't it a little stereotypical that the "all-American composer" was Jewish and wrote an opera about a black man and white woman falling in love?
Haydb s 88
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXEldU1UC70&list=RDbXEldU1UC70&start_radio=1&ab_channel=bassist
>>126861049When in Rome, do as the Romans do?
>>126859436Oh come on. Spill the beans Mahlerkun
Locked up in archives somewhere, there is an unfinished documentary by Bernstein about Wagner, which apparently aired on tv at some point after his death, and there is also a full documentary about Wagner by Enoch Powell called 'My Wagner' which aired in the 90s. True lost media classical kino.
>>126860268>shots fired.is it really shots fired? no one gives a fuck about Spohr as a composer
>>126861378He is MY favourite composer. Fuck YOU.
>>126860576take your pick, stereos of choice:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNVkxD_WaFE&list=RDfNVkxD_WaFE&start_radio=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiRXDXNq_0k&list=OLAK5uy_kABPYn_aTCTE8xNVqjOP8eyOOuopvlbAI&index=2 (most colorful)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLzXxnXFS7Y&list=OLAK5uy_ntYjdKoidMC3pm33EsAsc2iDJGYb2IHoY&index=101
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txKhZEFrAI8&list=OLAK5uy_npEEgLOhRLnjih83sTO_8k3Qp5RCx0rrw&index=15
hiss of choice:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoH1KKDwXtw&list=RDLoH1KKDwXtw&start_radio=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13MN2c-KNI0&list=RD13MN2c-KNI0&start_radio=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nR77K6FXD8I&list=RDnR77K6FXD8I&start_radio=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLrSCJ6x8XA&list=RDTLrSCJ6x8XA&start_radio=1
>>126860991I'd pick a folia of some sort. probably marais or vivaldi
Sir Georg Solti, Sir Colin Davis, Sir Thomas Beecham, Sir Simon Rattle
>>126861049What white woman?
now playing, whenever this general talks about Brahms, it makes me wanna listen to his music
Brahms: Tragic Overture, Op. 81
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtAhSvtIb-0&list=OLAK5uy_ml3YGjyDAxNcjYF4Xorfah5hWoXi8uxn0&index=12
start of Brahms: Symphony No. 3 in F Major, Op. 90
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGyDxFu3BnQ&list=OLAK5uy_ml3YGjyDAxNcjYF4Xorfah5hWoXi8uxn0&index=13
start of Brahms: Symphony No. 4 In E Minor, Op. 98
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnOfYf_v9I0&list=OLAK5uy_ml3YGjyDAxNcjYF4Xorfah5hWoXi8uxn0&index=16
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_ml3YGjyDAxNcjYF4Xorfah5hWoXi8uxn0
>>126860576i like the Walter/Columbia set
>>126860268the Fantano of classical music
>>126861491Hurwitz on The Adam Friedland Show when?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChcrZX2rZ1M&list=RDdRhwyzJABvI&index=2&ab_channel=EuroArtsChannel
>>126861491>>126861505The difference is, Fagtano talks about generic crap and pretends he's discussing something meaningful
>>126861474Brahms overtures have to be his worst compositions for me. That's not to say they're actually his most poorly composed, but the gap between how people treat them and how lacking in inspiration they actually are, how mismatched Brahms was to the overture form, makes them utter frauds in his oeuvre. It feels like he just composed them to prove he could compose overtures.
>>126861567agreed, except for the Academic Overture, which is wonderful and has a great theme
>>126861567I entirely agree, and funny, I was thinking the same thing when making the post. I normally skip them but since I was gonna listen to two symphonies, it's nice to begin with an overture/orchestral piece, and if I'm gonna listen to it, I might as well post it too.
Hurwitz says no great art can express hatred
>>126861575Let's just say, I think its name perfectly expresses the music.
>>126861575I knew a Bohm-bro couldn't have bad taste.
Mahler's clever tactic was he just attached his would-be overtures and symphonic poems onto the symphonies.
>>126861685Explains why his symphonies are so chaotic and badly organised.
>>126861705I would have said 'episodic,' but yes that's the joke.
>>126861711Thank you for telling me that, I would have been at a loss otherwise.
>>126861586I've watched the video and I disagree.
Mahler works decisively toward the abolition of tradition. At the bottom of the musical novel form lies an aversion that must have been felt long before Mahler, but that he was the first not to repress. It is an aversion to knowing in advance how music continues. Knowing it offends musical intelligence, spiritual nervosity, Mahlerian impatience.
>>126861789Mahler works not toward the abolition of tradition, but toward its transfiguration. At the bottom of the musical novel form lies not aversion, but a yearning—for a tradition capacious enough to bear contradiction, memory, rupture. The fear is not of knowing in advance how music continues, but of it continuing without risk. Predictability is not the enemy of intelligence, but its raw material. Mahlerian impatience does not reject form; it stretches it to its trembling limit.
y'know, the more I listen to Ravel's solo piano music, the less I like it, sorry. What at first was exciting, colorful, and imaginative, is now aimless, nebulous, and inscrutable. idk, anyone else feel this way? I want to like his solo piano music so bad
>>126861970Favorite Ravel solo piano set?
>>126861844Ravel always sounded boring and extremely pretentious to me. He has nothing I could possibly enjoy: no baroque counterpoint, no classical formality and clarity, no romantic harmony and strong classical influence. But something else completely. To me he's as relevant as pop music.
Huh, Dohnanyi actually has a Bruckner 8? Didn't know. Those tracktimes surprise me, thought it'd be faster. Anyone heard it? It any good?
>>126862171Wait, Dohnanyi was born in 1929!? And he's still alive!? Wtf. His recordings always sound so modern.
>>126862171Dohnanyi's Bruckner cycle (3-9) is absolutely solid, with the exception of 7 where the orchestra sounds uninspired. Particularly good: 3, 5, 6 & 8.
>>126862215Interesting, I've only heard his 5th. I'll check out that 3rd+8th tomorrow. I decided to listen to the Blomstedt/Gewandhaus to fall asleep to tonight. Thanks for the info.
>>126862215>>126862221Blomstedt/Gewandhaus 5th*
>>126861844I've never cared much for his music for solo piano (the piano concertos on the other hand, are marvelous). My favorites by Ravel are his piano trio, the Sheherazade song cycle, the concertos
Who was the best composer of concertos since Mozart? It feels like he perfected the form to such a degree that it stopped making sense to compose them, hence everyone moved on to symphonies
>>126861789I don't know, Mahler stuck to the forms far more tightly than his inspiration Bruckner did. Beneath the behemoths that are his first movements, there's almost always very clear sonata form structure present that you'd never find in Bruckner, who tended to use a heavily modified version of the form
>>126862638Horseshit. Rach 2 is better than any Mozart. Please refer to
>>126823248Every time this question is asked, I'll start reposting the true objective ranking
>>126862845Rach symphony 2? It's an hour long tho ;-;
>>126862850We were talking about piano concertos.
>>126862638>hence everyone moved on to symphoniesThere's still plenty of (piano) concertos in the 19th century though. Beethoven 4 & 5 are up there with Mozart's best. And then there's concertos by Schumann, Mendelssohn, Brahms, Bartok, Ravel, Prokofiev all worth hearing. None quite on the level of Mozart's perhaps, but that didn't stop them from composing. Just like composers kept writing symphonies after Beethoven.
>>126862638Lachenman
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_b64695arJk&pp=ygUcaGVsbXV0IGxhY2hlbm1hbm4gY29uY2VydGluaQ%3D%3D
>>126862659The point is that he thinks of his form in completely different fashion. The devil is the detail, what is actually heard, and no one can really believe that Mahler is a natural outgrowth of the classical symphony, like one can still think that about Bruckner and Brahms. An alien element is everywhere present in his music.
>>126860576Kleiber, Beinum, Markevitch. Avoid Stokowski.
>>126860268>A concert in Leipzig in December 1804 brought the influential music critic Friedrich Rochlitz "to his knees," not only because of Spohr's playing but also because of his compositions. This concert brought the young man overnight fame in the whole German-speaking world. he made music critcs kneel
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now playing
start of Beethoven: Piano Trio No. 3 in C Minor, Op. 1 No. 3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjSmK9DUu2k&list=OLAK5uy_kBXhQdhfRaZdqRzL-am05C4g6HBLZr0Ao&index=10
start of Beethoven: Piano Trio No. 6 in E Flat Major, Op. 70 No. 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b86TkYGcj5U&list=OLAK5uy_kBXhQdhfRaZdqRzL-am05C4g6HBLZr0Ao&index=20
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kBXhQdhfRaZdqRzL-am05C4g6HBLZr0Ao
>Pianist/Conductor Barenboim continues his 2020 Beethoven Journey with a complete recording of Piano Trios. "There is a lack of equality in this world. For only if everyone were equal there would be no conflicts", he says. Equal standing is also indispensable for the piano trios of Beethoven, whom he's always regarded as one of the most important composers. Performed w/ Michael Barenboim & Kian Soltani, who were shaped as concertmaster and principal cellist of the West-Eastern Divan Orchestra.
That... that's a strange blurb. Also why is this set missing Piano Trio No. 4, Op. 11? All very strange. Anyway, I think this is a great set.
>>126862845The only thing objective about your ranking is that it's objectively low IQ
>>126864285Feel free to make and post your own ranking.
>>126864292>instant fucking replyKek. Rankings are for children
>>126864305Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent.
>>126862845thank you slavesister
>>126864285>>126864338Thank you clueless krautsloppers
>>126864129>Avoid StokowskiDon't do this.
>>126864346It's dogshit. Just stick to Walter's mono and Markevitch if you want an energetic recording that doesn't complete lose the sense of line.
>>126864420But it's fun and exciting. It's kinda remarkable in all the years since, no other conductor has attempted anything similar.
Rattle!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HJnpTrGJqA&list=OLAK5uy_nBcfyXMgmx18ubPSWTjOdGcrXnCYQ0NR0&index=5
>>126864420>sense of lineWhat did he mean by this?
>>126864495I mean that the counterpoint is reduced to an unlistenable mess. The coda of the first movement made me laugh out loud.
>>126864480I know many posters here are allergic to recordings made after the new millennium but it's good, trust me.
>>126863781>and no one can really believe that Mahler is a natural outgrowth of the classical symphony,I do
4th symphony is literally an early example of neoclassicism
>>126864517I relistened to it and while I think it's certainly blurred I can still make it out and I think that clarity of counterpoint is an acceptable sacrifice when you consider how exciting he makes it sound
>>126862077NTA but Gieseking.
>>126861844Funny, I had the opposite reaction. At first it seemed aimless, etc., but the more I listened, the more it opened up. There's such a variety packed into a relatively small body of work. It always feels like there's more going on beneath the surface, like he's always hiding something. His sense of timing is one of the best in the entire repertoire, almost Bachian. It's strangely balanced music, despite some seemingly overwrought moments. The miniatures are beautiful, Miroirs is an endlessly rewarding cycle, Gaspard de la nuit is a gargantuan work, the Valses nobles et sentimentales are gorgeous, and Le tombeau de Couperin is lovely.
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start of Mendelssohn: String Quartet No. 1 in E-Flat Major, Op. 12
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kv4xFr6UOA&list=OLAK5uy_k2XsCQRRHSVT8zyIVQax5R9fjnEBQWeRo&index=2
start of Mendelssohn: String Quartet No. 6 in F Minor, Op. 80
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIQStA7NKwQ&list=OLAK5uy_k2XsCQRRHSVT8zyIVQax5R9fjnEBQWeRo&index=6
start of Mendelssohn: String Quartet No. 5 in E-Flat Major, Op. 44 No. 3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlkiW1zXAkM&list=OLAK5uy_k2XsCQRRHSVT8zyIVQax5R9fjnEBQWeRo&index=9
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_k2XsCQRRHSVT8zyIVQax5R9fjnEBQWeRo
>Alongside it's ongoing and much lauded Haydn and Schubert series, both on-stage and on-record, the Doric String Quartet with this Mendelssohn album is adding a new milestone in it's repertoire. Mendelssohn wrote and published these three quartets at very different stages in his life and they therefore outline the complete trajectory of his creative output. The early Op. 12, also called No. 1, was composed in London and includes many musical allusions to Beethoven, dead only a few years before it's composition. These subtly contrast with Mendelssohn's genially flowing energy.
>While Op. 44 No. 3, which incorporates many deft variations, developments, and combinations, follows an extended honeymoon tour and Mendelssohn's twenty-ninth birthday, Op. 80 emerged from a bout of helpless depression after the sudden death of Mendelssohn's older sister and confidante, Fanny. Mendelssohn described this quartet as a Requiem, and the nervous agitation often found in his music here bursts forth with full force. Resignation, agitation, and nostalgia shape the work, the almost shocking finality of which may be said to prefigure Mendelssohn's own death only six months later.
>>126864521everything recorded after 1929 sounds like shit
There's always a bit in every Bach piano piece where the rythmn sounds weird and crappy, like the pianist is making a mistake but I doubt they are
>>126864740Give 3 (three) examples
Chopin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cf-6TUcB74U
>>126861771You disagree with Hurwitz or with my framing of his argument? , While yes he does give the video a clickbaity title "The one emotion no great art can convey" and he says this is "hatred" shortly into the video; when you actually watch it's more accurate to say he says that a hateful parody or pastiche cannot be great art or more specifically Spohr couldn't..
I think it's a terrible argument by David btw and for the record I instanly recognised the Spohr second movement as meaning to be Mozart
>>126864846Adding this to my Thomas Edison Phonograph collection
Scriabin morning, been a while. Today we go with Elina Christova's Scriabin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84ju_yQN0lI&list=OLAK5uy_n8_12CPEyhLF_TGX76ny_AdKeVCWM6b9s&index=1
>>126864876I disagree with Hurwitz, and what you said is just a summary. As far as I remember, he said music cannot express hatred without text/lyrics, meanwhile assuming that it can express other feelings and emotions (such as joy, love, sadness) - I disagree. IF we agree that music can explicitly express something, evoke those emotions in a person, and that those emotions are not merely our subjective interpretations, then hatred is just as valid form of expression as any. Hurwitz is just virtue signaling here, there's nothing that could prevent someone to express hatred in music, assuming it can express nostalgia, fear, anger, melancholy, happiness etc. But hatred is more taboo, it is not "morally" justified by today's liberal ideologies.
>he says that a hateful parody or pastiche cannot be great artThat's another thing entirely.
>>126864716Thanks for the reply, I'll continue trying to get into his solo piano music more.
What's a piece that expresses hatred anyway
>>126865038I don't know of any in classical but there's plenty in metal, rock, punk etc. and I know some snide sister is going to say those aren't great art
Chamayouuuuuuu!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJi7VDLhGbw&list=OLAK5uy_loKU4RySBEmwUzGjKMMXtXcjf4nYtKFIw&index=1
Is that not among the best Jeux d'eaus you've ever heard?
ew. who buys and listens to this stuff?
>"The Brahms project with the Orchestre Revolutionnaire et Romantique in 2007 was a thrilling undertaking - a thorough reappraisal of Brahms's sound world, both in terms of period instruments and a study of the surviving evidence of performance practice. So why then a second recording 18 years later? First, because these symphonies are evergreen - miracles at the time of their inception and super-challenging every time one encounters them. Second, because I sensed a need and a personal challenge to build on that seminal earlier experience and to extend its findings and interpretations to/in working with a modern instrument orchestra - especially such a distinguished, flexible and immensely accomplished one as the Royal Concertgebouw Orchestra - in search of a fresh synthesis of styles and approaches. `Fuego y cristal,' as Jorge Luis Borges described them. That's what we've been aiming at." - John Eliot Gardiner. 3-CD Digipak set with booklet.
>>126864756Tell you what kid if I hear an example in the future I'll be sure to post it here but I can't be bothered looking for it just now
Who invented atonal music and why? Was it a Jewish conspiracy to weaken the West?
>>126865136The Jews do hate beauty
why listen to Furtwangler when you can listen to Barenboim?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_iwHT2yxHI&list=OLAK5uy_loEjNow2QX6NzO7dI73RySRtOcBH2UGQE&index=1
>>126865136The West weakened itself. Read Spengler.
>>126865331>Read (((Spengler)))
Barenboim looks so weirdly different in every photo I see. Is it possible that he "Barenboim" refers to a group of composers or a state of mind?
I got a question for you classicalfags
If I want to listen to "heavy" classical music, who is the guy to go to? Beethoven?
>>126865136It was the result of declining intelligence. See
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>>126865425thank you indian child
>>126865431Thank you moscheslopper
>>126865136>Who invented atonal musicLiszt
>and why?I don't know. Probably felt like he had already done everything he could with standard tonality.
>Was it a Jewish conspiracy to weaken the West?Multiple composers were flirting with atonality before Schoenberg (Debussy chief among them), and the other two major proponents of atonality were Berg and Webern, who were not Jewish. Webern was even a supporter of the Nazi regime. So, no.
>>126865425Actually anon, science says people are getting smarter
>>126865495Quite the opposite.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOqGXhn7YBA
>>126865505thank you indian child
>>126865477Liszt and Debussy are not atonal. Try again.
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>>126865505Well clearly that person's a reliable intelligent source of information
>>126865340Not an argument.
>>126865572https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yc_HjEa8k5k&ab_channel=TheModicaLiszt
>>126865590Not atonal. Has an underlying tonality of D.
>>126865608That's why he called it Bagatelle with an underlying tonality of D
>>126865572Idiotically facile post. Liszt and Debussy wrote atonal music, get over it, no I do not give a shit about whatever vague harmony you project over it. Schoenberg's atonality is not the only type of atonality.
>>126865577Nothing is reliable until you read and can follow the logic&math behind it. For the record, he knows way more than whatever you read on buzzfeed or wikipedia, and has written several books about the topic. Up to you, stay ignorant if you will.
>>126865534Thank you clueless retard
>>126865761Sorry, I can't trust someone with that accent and that hairline.
>>126865761so true indian child
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>>126865761>And here's Leatherface explaining the Flynn effect, he's written several books on the subject
>>126865152Idk man, Mendelssohn and Mahler compsoed some pretty fucking beautiful music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIU70B6K7Ls&list=RDRIU70B6K7Ls&start_radio=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Les39aIKbzE&list=RDLes39aIKbzE&start_radio=1
which pianist Fingered A minor the most?
>>126865844shostakovich, he fugue a minor
https://youtu.be/Nihogndgjkk&t=47
>>126865011I thought he was going to say horniness or something or maybe verfremdungseffekt
>>126865011who the fuck made Hurwitz the arbiter of "great art" anyway? fuck him.
>>126865844Saint-Saens.
>>126865984He just knows what's great art.
>>126865812Thanks clueless retard.
>>126865984Were you not there when it was decided?
>>126866011so true indian child
>>126866030Thank you clueless spammer
>>126865397Haha!
>>126865358Yet another one of his talents.
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>Why Do Intelligent People Like Classical Music?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdyxnREqfGk
Found a pretty interesting Dutton video! Surprised I've never come across it.
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>>126865840Yeah. The only two exceptions.
>>126866525Am I the Portland Poster?
I had a psychotic episode and stabbed myself in the stomach. music for this feel?
>>126860847>James Levinepedo
>>126867185Congratulations.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BOGUriXhAY
>>126865409Xenakis, enjoy
>>126867392Some of it's heavy but some is heavy shit
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How the fuck did he do it?
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start of Schubert: Piano Sonata No. 16 in A minor, D.845
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YKf0Rs8WEk&list=OLAK5uy_m0yz-Ya0ZMR8YCe6xcuUN0Jmw1tgADgtg&index=2
start of Schubert: Piano Sonata No. 18 in G Major, D. 894
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnEmqJ1HHJc&list=OLAK5uy_m0yz-Ya0ZMR8YCe6xcuUN0Jmw1tgADgtg&index=5
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_m0yz-Ya0ZMR8YCe6xcuUN0Jmw1tgADgtg
Do any anons enjoy or, have as a favourite, recordings that are wrong? ie They ignore what the composer said or are generally considered bad?
>>126867506Well, Bruckner certainly didn't intend for his symphonies to be played as slow as Celibidache likes it, Gould's Goldberg Variations definitely isn't what Bach had in mind, and Richter's Schubert piano sonatas completely transform them into something new with his diffusive, slow tempo. Oh, and the Stokowski Brahms 4 anons were posting about earlier, that for sure isn't what Brahms had in mind, but it's fun!
>>126867506your question made me realize that, usually, when I dislike some recording and go look for something else, I generally agree with the composer (for instance, disliking a famous recording because I feel it is too slow, then finding out that the composer always played it faster himself)
so to answer your question, no. I can't think of the opposite having happened. but it's an interesting question.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lex0okHn5w0&t=13s
He makes some good points on how classical music is a catch all term but jumps to the wrong conclusions. If pop music is just the same as classical music then why is it that most people who only listen to pop music cannot get into most classical as easily? Why aren't folk tunes considered classical if apparently "Everything becomes classical with enough age". Pop music has it's place in the musical canon, but it is not the same as classical. Again I am speaking in general terms so you can bring up muh exceptions and I'll accept those
>>126867506Oh, and tons of Bernstein and Karajan recordings are recolored with their own vision, so to speak. And then there's stuff like Bach and Mozart played romantically, etc. For example, check this out,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgq6iSt3b7E&list=OLAK5uy_m7zMSfURNcBEnvcOmOMyhajRi_htZ2_E8&index=1
That definitely isn't how these pieces were 'meant' to sound, but fuck me if it isn't awesome
>>126867506String quartet renditions of Bach's Art of Fugue are amazing; the genre didn't exist during his time.
>>126867185Sorry to hear that
Mozart
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nrImbVSZ4M
>>126867506>recordings that are wrongI enjoy repertoire for harpsichord played on modern piano, J.S. Bach, Rameau, Couperin, even Byrd.
>>126867506>generally considered bad?I love the late Mozart symphonies by Karajan.
>>126867506is it really the composer's music anymore at that point?
>>126869117At what point do you stop and consider it not the composer's music? The amount of variations from performance to performance that deviate from the score in one way or the other can be quite staggering, even if they appear subtle to the listener. Even something as simple as the orchestra seating arrangement can be perceived as a perversion of the composer's original intentions.
Brahms
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnFxRoeqyBo
Is classical an acquired taste?
>>126869117>>126869270Interpretation is an inherent feature of classical music.
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start of Roussel: Symphony No. 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aw21GMHbknU&list=OLAK5uy_m8LwZ8YE5NSNyi1VfHHyOr8BQR-Wa6nWw&index=2
Roussel: Resurrection, Op. 4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLfp_WhDGwY&list=OLAK5uy_m8LwZ8YE5NSNyi1VfHHyOr8BQR-Wa6nWw&index=6
start of Roussel: Le Marchand De Sable Qui Passe Suite
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lisPLxnv2c&list=OLAK5uy_m8LwZ8YE5NSNyi1VfHHyOr8BQR-Wa6nWw&index=6
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_m8LwZ8YE5NSNyi1VfHHyOr8BQR-Wa6nWw
>Stéphane Denève's Roussel cycle is shaping up to be the finest available--not that there's a lot of compelling competition. All of the symphonies are shockingly neglected, but the First might be the least-familiar of them all, God only knows why. It's a gorgeous, impressionistic piece with evocative titles (Forest in Winter, Renewal, Summer evening, Fauns and Dryads) and shimmering, atmospheric music that lives up to its expectations. Denève leads a thoroughly committed, even inspired performance, sensitive to Roussel's detailed scoring but also fluent, lively, and attentive to each movement's symphonic architecture. It's a wonderful performance, excellently played and recorded. There's very little "minor" Roussel. Even his short works have a certain seriousness and substance. This is certainly true of Résurrection, a symphonic prelude after Tolstoy, while the four-movement suite from Le marchand de sable qui passe reveals Roussel's expert scoring for small ensemble (flute, horn, clarinet, harp, and strings). Really this is an essential acquisition for anyone who loves French music and the late Romantic school in general. Don't pass it up. -- Classics Today, David Hurwitz, January 2010
oh im a scriabincel
yes im a scriabincel
Bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzOh7s8CWZA
>>126872274based Koopman cantata enjoyer
>>126864597Neoclassicism is never a natural outgrowth of Classicism, kek.
Faure's Piano Quintets and Quartets make me so happy :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMwcmX7bOxo
>[Das Rheingold] is the creation of a true giant in the history of art, comparable in his innovation only to Michelangelo. I can now understand Liszt's assessment of the great Wagner when he says it rises above all our epoch's art like Mont Blanc over the Alps. In music there is nobody to approach Wagner.
>>126873043It is fact, Wagner is our favorite composer's favorite composer.
RIP Brendel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tyOaKxlSMY&list=OLAK5uy_kigUN9bnCdrWdvYP-7BXBQHzgOoJ3Mg7w&index=2
>>126873054My favorite composer is Stravinsky though
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shozr9RoaTQ
Das klingt nach Bach. Bach klingt gut.
just came across this line in a review
>I've been a fan of Swedish orchestral music ( Stenhammar, Atterberg, Larsson, etc. )
who the fuck is Larsson lol
>>126873299Stravinsky is bomb but I don't get how people so highly rate a composer who composed a total of, what, 2 hours of actually good music. He just doesn't have the quantity imo
>>1268734972 hour of music that you can somewhat appreciate but still sense that it lacks soul.
>>126873510*blocks your path*
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btNfXh1ybeM
how do these conductors and orchestras just play other people's music without permission from the composer?
>>126873692You have to buy the sheet music.
>>126873692>>126873724All good music is public domain and free. Composers are long dead. The nu shite you have to buy.
>>126873954not my compositions, i'm writing some real masterpieces here, you'll all see when fuckin Chailly or someone is playing my shit in a few years.
>>126874294>fffffffffMe when I play Rach
>>126874510https://youtu.be/8sU2hxrwHD4?si=FHuWVcU-ewi0BoXp
wow this Mozart guy is pretty underrated
>>126873043more of a Götterdämmerung guy myself
>>126873488https://youtu.be/g58jWAcTX-w
>>126874640Tbh, aside from a few bleeding chunks, I hate Götterdämmerung. Just typical operatic bombast with trios and duets.
>Shostakovich wrote a symphony after the Beatles had split up
my head can't get around this
>>126874964I will find you
>>126875237the T-Rex is closer to us in time than it was to the Triceratops, and the pyramids were built while the woolly mammoth was still alive
Is this where to ask how to start teaching myself piano?
>>126875507actually i built the Triceratops, and the pyramids died in 20AD
>>126874942>elevator musicThe Swedes have no aptitude for music. Sweden has never produced a great composer, or even a decent one.
>>126876033Stenhammar 2 is a really solid Brahmsian symphony.
favorite Renaissance works?
>>126875237I prefer to see it in terms of Shostakovich was able to watch The Godfather.
>>126874942Pastoralshit? I kid I kid. Thank you for sharing, I'll check out more of his music. Always a treat when I come across a name of a composer I haven't heard of in a review next to names of other composers I like!
>>126876109Dufay - Missa se la face ay pale
De la Rue - missa septem doloribus
Byrd - Ne irascaris, Domine
Liszt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nh3Onns2gRE
>>126876373Considering his 15th String Quartet is titled "Michael Corleone," I'd say so.
I'm kidding. idk, probably. I'd imagine everyone alive and culturally involved in 1972 saw The Godfather, it's how life was back then.
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>>126876396He would have to have seen it during his 1973 visit to the USA then. I doubt it was being shown in the Soviet Union at that time.
>>126873561Congratulations Ullman- you won Kim
>>126876033That’s less elevator music than
>>126874546 is.
Larsen is only elevator music in the sense he elevates your soul
>>126876109Josquin: Inviolata, Nymphes de bois, Missa Hercules Dux
Ockeghem: Missa Prolationum
Richafort: Requiem
Gombert: Si bona suscepimus
Byrd: all of his keyboard works
>>126875311>>126875999Gotterdammerung babbies have no taste. The correct ranking of the Ring operas:
Das Rheingold > Siegfried > Die Walkure > Gotterdammerung
>>126877129utterly asinine. act 3 of Götterdämmerung is the best thing Wagner ever wrote.
How do you guys listen to so many operas. To me it's quite impressive. I can't stand opera.
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start of Brahms: Piano Quartet No. 1 in G Minor, Op. 25
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FT6Kmj2ayqY&list=OLAK5uy_ne9Sej0TSVOOlkt-OdaKdJXEpk4HkJNuI&index=2
start of Brahms: Piano Quartet No. 3 in C Minor, Op. 60
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lY30hq7eCxM&list=OLAK5uy_ne9Sej0TSVOOlkt-OdaKdJXEpk4HkJNuI&index=6
start of Brahms: Piano Quartet No. 2 in A Major, Op. 26
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qraNXg0QAHs&list=OLAK5uy_ne9Sej0TSVOOlkt-OdaKdJXEpk4HkJNuI&index=9
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_ne9Sej0TSVOOlkt-OdaKdJXEpk4HkJNuI
>Following their Autumn 2007 release of Brahms's Double Concerto and Clarinet Quintet, Renaud and Gautier Capuçon further their plan to record the composer's complete solo and chamber works for Virgin Classics. After Renaud's collaboration with Nicholas Angelich for the violin sonatas, later joined by Gautier for the piano trios, French violist Gérard Caussé joined them in Lugano last December to record Brahms's three piano quartets.
>According to Gramophone Magazine, the Capuçon's Brahms piano trios are "sure to kindle anyone's enthusiasm for Brahms. Warm, beautifully balanced tone stresses the composer's romantic side, as does the expansive phrasing. There's a feeling of spontaneity, too, as though each player is discovering new aspects to the music while recording it...The way they are able to strike a balance between Brahms's energetic flow of ideas, his strongly delineated structures, and his lyrical intensity is most satisfying."
Going through all of Angelich's Brahms recordings. I really like his moody, tragic brand of Brahms. None of them are the absolute best, of course, but as a nice alternative from the usual heroic, classically-grounded, almost aristocratic Brahms, it's fantastic.
>>126877195For me the romantic opera is hard to stomach but Handel, Mozart, and Rossini operas are as easy to listen to as Tchaikovsky ballets
>16th century
Josquin, Gombert, Lassus, Palestrina, Vitoria, Tallis, Byrd, Dowland, Marenzio, list goes on...
>17th century
Monteverdi, Buxtehude, Purcell, uhhhhh...
What the hell happened? Why did music go to complete shit in the early Baroque?
>>126877217Thirty years war
>>126877173>act 3 of Götterdämmerung is the best thing Wagner ever wrote.Which means you just like Siegfried's Death and the Immolation Scene. I don't even like the Immolation Scene much.
>>126877207Tchaikovsky ballets have lush harmonies and orchestrations, and some of the best melodies. Operas are just recitatives, talking in vibrato and a beautiful aria once in a while.
>>126877258You haven't listened to Handel, Mozart, and Rossini if you think that.
Throughcomposed operas are better than number operas, obviously. But there is a rather simple solution to the problem with number operas: skip the recitatives and just listen to the numbers!!
Blomstedt!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwSNBZt-HLw&list=OLAK5uy_mXByLf5pY5dJUDnwaVuJ6MIVicmOxUhEg&index=5
>>126875507The Rolling Stones first album is actually close to the start of the first world war than we are today
>>126877588dadrock is now grandfather-rock?
>>126877601I was joking but it's actually true in the other way , I should have said the American War of Revolution
It's so difficult to find new recordings of Schumann's solo piano music because often the albums will just be titled "Schumann" or similar. How the hell am I supposed to search and find that!? The only other way is to discover a pianist I like, look through their discography, and find out they've got some Schumann, eg Grosvenor. Annoying af
Hamelin vs Milne vs Tozer for Medtner?
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start of Schumann: Noveletten, Op. 21
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekw9NzQGd-g&list=OLAK5uy_nfiZvM1Cwlock9jD04hWbMQaKzFiH0D24&index=2
start of Schumann: Piano Sonata No. 2 in G Minor, Op. 22
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8FVJ8MD27g&list=OLAK5uy_nfiZvM1Cwlock9jD04hWbMQaKzFiH0D24&index=9
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nfiZvM1Cwlock9jD04hWbMQaKzFiH0D24
Two notes,
1) I think I'm gonna go through Arrau's entirely discography, or at least most of it. Loving his piano playing lately. and
2) Schumann is so good for clear, sunny days. So is Haydn. I ought to listen to some of his keyboard sonatas after this...
>>126877824just search for works
piano sonatas, novelleten, albumblatt, bunte blatter, waldszenen, romanzen, etc
>>126877931True, but that comes with its own problems, especially with Schumann because his piano pieces are divided into so many movements, meaning each recording returns ~8 results, so you can see how the search would get clogged very easily. But yeah, that's probably what I'll do, and just go deep, deep, deep into the search results and mark down when I see album covers and performer names I don't recognize lol, it'll be tedious is all but it's worth it.
>>126877898Can't go wrong with Hamelin's set.
>>126856022There's some good stuff there. He's less irritating than Bach can be. And I like Bach when he isn't trying to make humans do things they really can't or shouldn't do with their voice
>>126855849 (OP)Maho my beloved gremlin
>>126875507Someone on X or Tv I don-'t remember which told me that dinosaurs only died out in the 19th century .
I've been getting up at 5 staying up till 11 or 12 the next day and then falling asleep for 15 hours and repeating the process. Last night while lying in bed I half fell asleep then woke up confused and tired thinking of Dave Hurwitz reviewing The Goldberg Variations as though it was porn
>>126877255making assumptions isn't healthy
I could tell you my favorite parts are Siegfried's dialogue with the Rhinemaidens and his recalling of his youth but you're so bent on assuming things I don't thing you deserve to know, so please forget what you just read
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>>126865667Doesn't matter what he called it, it's not atonal. Maybe you'd know this if you looked past the title, but you can't even read music.
>>126880162Liszt did write an Atonal piece though:
>>126865590I don't know if it's that unfair calling Debussy atonal in parts either
>>126879512That's my favorite part of Gotterdammerung as well. The back and forth between Siegfried and the Rhinemaidens and the music there is so good. Especially at the right tempo there's a wonderful tactility and lilt to it all.
>>126880166>avoids functional harmony>doesn't have a tonal center>frequent modulation, chromaticism up the assyes, it flirts with a tonal center, but the fact that people can't really agree on what that tonal center is shows us that Liszt's intentions and techniques were clearly trying at making an atonal piece. at the very least you could easily call it a prototype, and there's a reason that Liszt was frequently referred to as one of the biggest inspirations for those in the SVS.
>>126880172https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVV0jkZC4jI&list=RDFVV0jkZC4jI&start_radio=1 Idk if this is strictly atonal but it really does sound like an early Schoenberg or Berg piece
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Prokofiev: Sonata No. 1 in F Minor, Op. 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRu_rvNzHNQ&list=OLAK5uy_nOdev_B8VSoaKpkDSgJYx6VHEGluvjV4U&index=2
start of Prokofiev: Sonata No. 2 in D Minor, Op. 14
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Np4QwXHYuTE&list=OLAK5uy_nOdev_B8VSoaKpkDSgJYx6VHEGluvjV4U&index=3
Prokofiev: Sonata No. 3 in A Minor, Op. 28
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COtti6Ovh48&list=OLAK5uy_nOdev_B8VSoaKpkDSgJYx6VHEGluvjV4U&index=7
start of Prokofiev: Sonata No.4 in C Minor, Op. 29
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOOATco0L5M&list=OLAK5uy_nOdev_B8VSoaKpkDSgJYx6VHEGluvjV4U&index=8
start of Prokofiev: Sonata No. 5 in C Major, Op. 135
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=st34sNtHubU&list=OLAK5uy_nOdev_B8VSoaKpkDSgJYx6VHEGluvjV4U&index=10
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nOdev_B8VSoaKpkDSgJYx6VHEGluvjV4U
reading a Murakami novel and came across this; Gould over Backhaus? Big mistake!
Bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LRSDFIUd7A
For duo sonatas recordings, should the non-piano instrument (ie violin, cello, flute) be louder than the piano, even if slightly? Or completely even? I often see complaints about the non-piano instrument being too overbearing, but let's be serious, in almost every duo sonata, they're the main player, the star of the show, the lead role in the composition, so why shouldn't they be emphasized in sound?
>>126881509even, i think the idea it's a dialog between two instruments
Now Lisztening:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OG46XppZPc4&list=RDOG46XppZPc4&start_radio=1
Hindemith
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aY4mmYmP0cY
Bach
https://youtu.be/OHHt87Bnyxo?si=OqHx8zywU9eJKvLl
A Bach triple concerto
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KaidKCwZsQg
The first movement is rather good. Not so keen on the next two
Liszt 2 Saint Francis legends
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ffLa_s1fLyc&pp=ygUbV2lsbGlhbSBrZW1wZmYgZGV1eCBsZWdlbmRz0gcJCcMJAYcqIYzv
Two different Saint Francis’s btw. The first is Assisi who said “wait for me while I go to preach to my sisters the birds” and the other is one who sailed across water on a cloak. I think it must be one of the striking Liszt pieces I’ve heard and incidentally looks downright impossible to play in places
>>126881626Not a dominant man and his subservient wife?
Chopin's Nocturnes are too beautiful for this world
>tfw no Chopin choral work
:(
>>126884424So why is he Chinese
>>126884435wtf how did you know it was me
bump limit
>>126884440I can pinpoint all your posts.
>>126884451That's mod abuse!
>>126884715I'm not a mod lol
>>126884765Not taking any chances. I'm changing my IP, browser, OS, posting style, and music taste after this.
>>126884787>posting style, and music taste after this.kek
dw I can always detect you ;)
>>126877129i never said it was my favorite, i actually agree with your ranking, but i still like Gotterdammerung, it has some of Wagner's best moments.
>>126865840Christian jews who do not believe in the Talmud. Not comparable to someone like Schoenberg who did believe in the Talmud and what it said
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