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>>126975246 (OP)thoughts on these wips? i left some parts longer/empty for vocals
https://vocaroo.com/1cwJTPjE4kmf
https://vocaroo.com/1e1hhjNgK23n
https://vocaroo.com/1cTdoFhiXn6A
https://vocaroo.com/14uXylrYzJQW
>indie, soul
https://vocaroo.com/1toZM9NvlVJO
sex with bass
i can be normie soon ..?? :3
https://vocaroo.com/1a4PuvKk1P2s
1st pass needs design for...... the bass shots... funny fx off the percsss
>>126975749nanji ha mou, normiedome wo koeta degozaru
>>126975975i cannot decipher this one
>>126976352Oh~ ๆฑใฏใใใNORMIEDOMใ่ถ
ใใใงใใใใ
I bet you could make bank selling sample packs, but that's probably no fun.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgjhkFq8tIk
>>126976422i have not gone outside in months so actually.
... also maybe but it would be pretty dumb to enter that market while we're on the verge of AI completely destroying it
>akihikojust peeped his store.... v skilled
https://vocaroo.com/14UO1PvIBYud
can anyone give me some feedback on this? idk what to do with it
>>126976994I honestly don't have much to say about this, except maybe the bass could be beefed up a little bit? It feels a bit bland. Also, the ending? Unexpected. I thought it was going to drop into another beat. Is this you singing?
>>126976463Outside is overrated, especially when it's 30+ degrees celcius.
Akihiko has definitely put in the work. Looks like a handful of his Ableton Live plugins (max devices?) are on Audioz.
>>126976994I have no feedback except that I listened 4 times just now and I love it. I'm about to listen again.
>>126979187least soulless chinaman
>>126975545What a badass crappy old dog
>>126976994its ok to accept a project is finished anon. im gonna say what you've done here is good and you shouldn't take it further.
>>126976994you have an idea but not a track. i'd agree with
>>126980649anon that you should move onto the next thing.
how's the overal vibe of this wip dance track?
https://voca.ro/1aQZlr2RVgId
Any rec's on an FL studio pirate
bros my FL studio has no Newtime plug in. I need it to adjust my recordings to the proper beat I want. Is it possible to download that plug in separately?
How can i mix this better? It has minimal mixing if any.
https://vocaroo.com/156WsIFhkHko
>>126981668Maybe start by not making your guitar sound like you're recording it behind a door
>>126981725What does that mean?
Ohmicide has been re-released and extended
https://ohmforce.com/products/ohmicide-s
Go and take a look
https://vocaroo.com/17866d1CbrYy
threw this together so i could say I actually made a full song for the first time in a few years. Any criticism (beisdes the singing, im working on that at a later date)?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-Cy2CWlymU
>>126983606this is just bully bait anon come on
>>126981668>https://vocaroo.com/156WsIFhkHkothe scratchy guitar stabs are comical sounding imo. i'd lose them
>https://voca.ro/11k1Za5EV3rX
im sure this sounds shitty but i really like the idea. I also couldnt sing loudly because of the apartment im in so i whispered. I think it adds a charm
>>126983785lol im new to music production (and /mu/)
go ahead and bully me, so long as your criticism is constructive.
>>126983960fuck anon, that's pretty nice, very stylish. The bass riff is a bit complex and noisy though imo
do you have a yt or soundcloud?
>>126984041here's my soundcloud
https://soundcloud.com/user-719684775
thank you. i feel like shit cause my bandmates dont even show much interest in my demos.
>>126983606>>126984080please no self-promotion on /prod/, use the dedicated sc/bandcamp shill thread for that
>>126984080I quite like it, it's very cool and chill. If I had sc id certainly follow you.
>>126984281>no self-promotiondont be a nigger. He sent his soundcloud because I want to hear more of his music. One soundcloud link isn't going to derail the thread.
>>126984370rules are rules.
certain people used to samefag to plug their soundcloud all the time, it's best to not post a direct sc link whatsoever in /prod/
>>126984397Alright that makes sense. Sorry, I'm a newfag to this thread.
I have a clean lead guitar doing the same melody as my lead vocal in the same spot. I don't want to move either of them. Would it be stupid to use an EQ to carve one completely out of the low mids, the other completely out of the high mids, and have them sit together like that?
>>126984463If it sounds good, it ain't stupid.
Probably won't sound that good but worth a try
>>126984472Well my reference track is very mid heavy and upfront, it doesn't take up a whole lot of the frequency range as a whole but it sounds great.
>>126984463im not sure why you would ask to do this instead of just doing it and listening to it. it would take 20 seconds to adjust and listen
>>126984463>Would it be stupid to use an EQno but there's a good chance that your judgement is wrong and you need to just play the guitar in a different octave or take it out all together
whats the easiest way to stop sucking at music production?
>>126985602but how do i know what i need to improve upon? i want to take some classes or attend some workshops but music production is actually quite an exclusive and elitist hobby and the schools are full of bourgeois
>>126985626>but how do i know what i need to improve upon?improving your taste and developing a discerning ear is part of the skillset of an artist (note: not the same thing as "musician") and you'll want to develop that if you can't tell what's "wrong" with your own music.
>ratchet bougie bougie bougiestop being a feg
>>126985683>stop being a fegim allowed to be
why does this guy keep coming in and slipping >elitist and >bourgeois into the posts, like we get it youre a leftist bro
>>126985889because im right
>>126985889"leftists" don't say that shit and you know it fuck off with that shit.
that kid's a fag either way
>>126981668do you know what gain staging is?
>>126985958That's ok, but no one else is here to discuss politics
>>126985968? Leftists are mainly concerned with class divisions, wealth distribution etc, i think i used the term correctly
how come all dynamic and eq processing isn't run parallel? this seems like the best way to do it and blend in the desired processing to a dry signal instead of directly on the tracks themselves
>>126986013>i think i used the term correctlysorry i thought you were referring to the proverbial "leftist" and not addressing what he was saying literally lol.
>>126986026i think this might be a troll thread now
>>126986042>i think this might be a troll thread nowi think ive stumbled upon something
>>126986047The fl studio plugin crossfade knob?
i need a partner to make bass music
fuck you all im putting a reverb on the master buss and theres not a single thing anyone can do about it
>not automating to change between linear phase and minimum phase in eq plug-in for epic choppy glitch fx
>>126986475that's actually one of my super sekrit techs and i have it for a rack for it lul
https://vocaroo.com/1eaI9sbpnkEZ
before I start working on the next verse. GIve me tips on how I make the first part sound fuller
i usually record three separate guitar tracks purely for LCR panning but how do i decide which guitar plays which part? and should the LCR panning be used at all times throughout the entire song? it feels like thats the only way i can get any sort of wide sound with all three guitar tracks going at once
>>126988440consider:
>what frequencies are being spread through the stereo-field (e.g darker tones more centered, high heavy guitar hard panned etc)>how are the chords being voiced? (closed voicing centered, open voicings hard panned, maybe your playing only the root/fifth on the bottom in the center etc).convention is to just have less stacks in the verse, or to make sure the fuller or more distorted tones are in the chorus (if the verse/chorus tones are supposed to be near identical; obviously it's not a rule that the chorus has to be louder or more distorted but that's just the default method).
>>126979936I wonder what they've seen him do. Even the -what looks like a- great dane bows his head as soon as he sees him.
>>126988093In pop music it's common to fill it out more on repeats (i.e. the first doesn't have to be that full) also the chorus should be fuller. But since you ask: Adding almost anything makes it sound bigger. Vary the instrumentation slightly to make it sound like it's moving. Reverb/delay. More harmonic richness, i.e. filling out more harmonies to melodies and extending chords add "fullness" but makes the tone less distinct. So you can extend ever single chord to use every note in the key if you just want fullness, but using every note in the scale on every chord will obviously make them all sound more alike.
https://vocaroo.com/1k7onYhSl2ZY
i forgot to make a bass and idk why but every note i put down for the bass now sounds ass
>>126988767yeah i see what you mean. sometimes i approach it as though the hard panned guitars are just one very wide guitar but i listen to a few post rock acts and the guitars are generally panned according to who is playing it rather than just purely aesthetic/mixing choices
>>126988979D and E?
https://voca.ro/165o9nI9DmDa
https://vocaroo.com/1g6GxUplZ96y
>house
>bossa nova
>vocal
>>126988093chorus, pad playing the root, pad sidechained to melodic element, khz reverser, just boost 1db.
bigger happens in the mids.
the reverb on my drum buss keeps fucking up on cubase. anyone have this issue? i updated my client today so im wondering if this is a bug
/prod/ators, ive learned ive been going way too hard with the FET compressors lately and have decided to stop for a while and experiment with other compressors.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRDNpxmDZAU
>music costs so much money to make
>that's why this shit don't come out as much
>you got producers charging 20k for a beat
>and then they also want percentages on the back end
>then you got to pay the engineer
>then you gotta pay to get it mixed and mastered
>then you gotta pay to get it up on the streaming platforms
Is this true?
I will never stack anything. Vocals, guitar, whatever, I will never ever stack it. It always sounds stupid. This is my strongest opinion. If you need to stack, your genre is shitty, you're shitty, your song is shitty.
>>126991165I've spent 10k to get an EP recorded. I could have spent 500 bucks and just made better songs and people would have actually liked it then. Point is, it's fucking free if you're good enough. Sing acapellas in the subway and go viral. But anyway, in general obviously it's never been easier to record. If you want to debut material that's immediately ready to be at the top of the billboard charts right when you release it, yeah, that's expensive. But if you're even in a place to need it to be that type of quality, the money is a non-issue.
>>126992184>I've spent 10k to get an EP recordedWhat genre?
>>126992184absolute fucking retard detected lmao
>>126992184> I will never ever stack it. It always sounds stupid.DOES THIS SOUND STUPID?
https://youtu.be/E1jHtLHkbpw?si=fSmLEohwwRsPBeIW&t=51
>>126992184>If you need to stack, your genre is shittyWhat genre is stacking/layering not a common practice in?
Pop-punk song Untame
For those who were following - this is the one I'm playing for her. It's the best out of all the mixes I have done.
Let me know your thoughts.
https://vocaroo.com/1abXGZEnhch0
>>126992474Not perfect, but the mix balance is better than the previous versions posted last thread.
Still something kind of weird happening with the drum overheads, not sure what processing you've done on that.
Save this version though, it's alright
>>126992558I had another version where I spliced good sections and repeated them and removed the weird phasing but I don't have Ozone anymore so I don't want to attempt that. My mixes without ozone sound absolutely horrendous.
Thanks for listening chum. Kudos to you. Wish me luck going out next Saturday
>>126992584Not a good idea to use Ozone, a mastering plugin, as a way to fix mix issues. You could try something like soothe 2 on the drums or something, maybe? I don't really know what's causing that odd tonality change at certain points in the song. My gut it that it could be phasing issues from how the drums were mic'd, but it's impossible to say for sure as I can't exactly look at your stems lol.
If you gave yourself more time, rerecording the drums would probably be a good idea. But I've heard far worse demos than this, it's not bad now.
https://vocaroo.com/14FnbZWCAR9s
>leftfield
>blackened post hardcore
>>126993348Very cool.
Maybe itโs just my taste but I feel like this type of song is supposed to like, consolidated.
Specifically when it hovers on that main riff, and occasionally on the bridges, you lose me honestly.
It has the feel of the much shorter to the point songs that have been standard for the bands trending in this style, but the length and the synth-y sections make it feel like itโs supposed to be a longer โepicโ song, so itโs in this awkward in between spooky imo.
Obviously thatโs just my taste, but I can see a faster cut down version and then a longer more drawn out version than you already have here. Good shit tho
I'm trying to recreate MBV type of shoegaze. How close is my guitar tone to sound like that?
https://vocaroo.com/1mBnR79cyMEF
>>126994603Are you looking for a joke answer?
>>126994738Okay then you're very far from that tone.
Been learning how to mix and master and holy fuck would it be expensive if you actually paid for all these plug-ins. I mean, I guess you could go a long way with Analog Obsessions and a few stock plug-ins but the FabFilter bundle is $1k alone.
Loling at people literally dropping $2k on a billion DIGITAL plug-ins just for mixing and mastering.
>>126995197Literally a skill issue you donโt need any of that shit.
Fabfilter is the standard but youโre paying for convenience and utility, not an actually difference in sound from what you could easily achieve with stock plugins.
>>126995232Keep telling yourself that. Lets hear one of your stock plug-in only professional sounding masters.
Not so quick to respond now, damn. Lol.
ferry and orjan did a new carte blanche remix
https://youtu.be/Vlg5iu4xV34
>>126992619Yeah I recall you saying this last thread and you're probably right. I've got a lot to learn for sure but I feel like for the average person - this mix is probably passable. The phasing on the drums is something I had to fix on another mix by splicing drum segments and replacing them. At this point I'm happy with that current mix as it stands - I'm going to move on to another track and style and work more on my mixing without having a mastering plug-in doing the heavy lifting. This time using Addictive Drums and finding out how to place them in a "room" with delay and reverb and get the compression to feel good. Right now I'm finding guitars are being difficult.
Check out the most recent project. I feel like my problem lies with putting compression on literally everything. Hearing similar issues with the drums even on here, even though I used Addictive Drums. Looks like I need to read up and watch some videos about compression and bus compression. I feel like maybe the mix compression I am using is squashing the drums to make room for guitars.
https://vocaroo.com/1l3yUFApoc2w
>>126985572>listen to your favorite song>pick whatever instrument you are most attached to in that song>buy that instrument >learn to play songs >learn theory>come back to producing once you have learned 50 songs on your instrument >profit Yeah you wont be producing for like 6-8 months but the pay off is better than you think. Music is a language, it's not just a bunch of random sounds put together. You can choose to continue to not move from the spot you're in, lost while producing. Or you can put actual effort into learning what music actually is. Every musician who has made a song you like, knows how to sit down at an instrument and play to a certain degree. Retards who brag about not knowing theory make the same songs ad nauseum. Take the leap brother.
>>126993348I like this a lot already. It's really good to hear something in these threads besides breakcore and EDM and trap shit. I'm busy currently but I'll definitely write something up about this mix later.
>>126995947Honestly compression is one of the hardest things to get right as it's hard to "hear", let alone know which compressor to reach for and how to dial it in tastefully. I often go for the easiest compressors to use that I have, otherwise I get lost in the weeds. Some compressor plugins have well-written manuals that can point you in the right direction. However, sometimes it makes more sense to address your level balance via clip gain balancing first.
You can adjust clip gain in Reason using the little arrows in the middle of an audio waveform clip, you will need to use the razor tool to slice clips up as needed so you can adjust levels of short clips individually. It can be tedious, but I strongly recommend doing this (but only after gain staging, and ideally after you have an ok static mix), as cleaning up loud moments from your instrument audio makes things easier later. If you're REALLY good at autistic clip-gain adjustments, you technically won't need to use a compressor at all, but you should probably still use compressors for groove and flavor regardless.
I'm saying all this to really hammer home that a big point about mixing is level balance. Hell, even if you find yourself having to EQ things, EQ is still level balance too - just level balance of frequency bands rather than instruments themselves. It's level balance all the way down, but your choice how to go about it. Even panning is level balance of the 2 channel stereo.
If you aren't making a meaningful choice when you add a plugin, then don't use it. You need to mix with intention, and have an idea in your head of why you're grabbing a particular plugin and what you're going to do with it. It takes a lot of practice but you do get better over time and eventually start to be able to hear subtle volume changes and "hear" compression better.
Oh, and many AD2 presets are already compressed or "mix-ready", you shouldn't add much (if anything) to those unless you have a reason for it.
>>126996178Thanks, maybe I'll clear all effects off of that and try again. What do you think of it so far? Overcompressed to hell isn't it lol
>>126996209Yeah it sounds pretty squashed, hearing that almost "suction" effect when the kick hits, which is a sign of overcompression.
>>126996224are you the one who told me about sugarpill? maybe i'll see if he has any videos specific to compression
>>126995557Post something and let's see what /mu/ got for mastering
>>126996239Yes I am, but I don't think he does.
I did find this short on his channel which reiterates what I was saying about using clip gain instead of (or in addition to) compression:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iubiR0V-3nY
Overall, his vids mostly cover songwriting and guitar tone (esp. for rock & punk), but he does use Reason a lot.
If you want a masterclass in compression, check out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksJRgK3viMc
I recommend watching it in chapters, and trying out a concept it talks about. Experiment with whatever compressors you have and see how it sounds.
then there's this fag who made a quick rundown on mixing in Reason, some of it you'll probably know
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6f7yFyDt_9U
And a professional mixer using Reason to mix
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HB4M0RRinM
Only a short vid but might give you some ideas too
He also has a mastering in Reason vid:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3XXrj3zPfA
Another longish vid but I have this bookmarked so it must've been useful too:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fo3blWBpu2Q
>>126996423What? You were the one talking shit.
>Literally a skill issue you donโt need any of that shitI can smell your steam account hours from here the way you talk.
>>126995557The fact that you specify masters and not mixes here
>>126996492A master is mixed, why would a mastered song be unmixed? my OP was about plug-ins for a mix and master chain. You can't get any more retarded.
>>126996492he was saying buying super pricey mixing and mastering plugins aren't going to improve your mixing and mastering like actually knowing what you're doing. so spending the money on said plugins without the knowledge is a fruitless venture. he isn't wrong.
>>126996576pretty sure the anon who isn't frog posting was saying that, but yeah.
i don't know why anybody would even argue this point, especially against somebody who hasn't been doing this long and is clearly just being argumentative.
>>126996576No he wasn't. He said "not an actually difference in sound from what you could easily achieve with stock plugins".
I'm didn't spend $1k on Fabfilter but I have it, and it isn't hard to use and you don't have to be a genius to improve your sound and workflow with it.
>>126996466I am a different Anon
>>126995232
>>126996638>you don't have to be a genius to improve your sound and workflow with itChuzo spotted.
Everybody abort.
I am the frogfag.
It is seriously one of the most autistic things I have heard to hate all third-party plug-ins because you think with enough skill you can configure the stock ones to do literally everything. You really have to be looking at the DAW like one of your gay video games, thinking one day you will get to level 100 and can finally configure the limiter with an LFO to get the most pro sound master.
>>126996239>>126996452this playlist may also be helpful to you as well:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLljy8w-QIrGxw0LSMV399x1JNhp3tAtPZ
>>126996741>LFO to get the most pro sound mastertrolling
You simply do not posses the experience or perspective to know what people are getting at when they tell you you don't "need" third party plugins to mix or master, and you similarly lack the experience and knowledge to have a worthwhile opinion on the matter, let alone scoff at others'.
>>126996777Ok, Mr. FullSail PhD Class of 2011. Nobody gives a shit about your steam hours. I still haven't heard a professional sounding master of anything using stock plug-ins from one you.
>>126996423*Slaps on default Reaper compressor*
>>126996844Please take a moment to consider the consequence of what somebody (and you) would gain by indulging in this ill defined request.
A brief, smug feeling of "I sure showed him!"?
Are you going to change your mind? Stop using third party plugins, even when they were conceded to be a benefit?
Kys
Hey everyone, can you rate this riff? Is it too piercing? Do you feel it emotionally? I will return feedback.
https://vocaroo.com/1eHdlBOX4ONd
>>126996971Was something wrong with it?
>>126995557You could find something similar probably on Audiotorrent
>>126996959i think it sounds good anon
hmm
https://vocaroo.com/1jmgpjXPbM4m
guys i made my skrillex basses like SOPHIE
>>126989436damn that's the first thing on here I've grooved to.
need something different at 1:49 though, maybe a bridge or keep some musical elements but strip all the drums except claps.
would you guys listen to this project based on how the project looks?
>>126998112why do you ask so many retarded questions
>>126998118what do you mean
>>126998155no get out of my thread
>>126998100Add in some 808s,Synths, and random Animal sounds
>>126998166synths probably aren't a bad idea
We need more aussies in these threads
>>126996881Maybe one day that LFO on the limiter will finally work out when you get enough XP in the holy stock plug-ins which were ordained by Christ. Thank GOD the makers of *insert DAW name* didn't forget anything when coming up with stock plug-ins.
>How many LUFS are we at? Fuck you, level up buddy, get a degree at FullSail retard.
>Haven't figured out linear phase EQ using the built in ButtPlug controller? You must not be ranked.
>Variable-mu compression? >FET? You must not know how to use the tuner, fucking idiot pussy.
so since im finally beginning to understand the use of compressors, should i begin to dabble in multi-band compression?
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>>126998656stop trying to cope with the fact you've spent $10,000 on third party plugins because your favourite breadtuber shilled them to you on the basis its going to "fix" your mixes.
>>126998716I probably have hundreds of third party plug-ins from over the years. Thousands of dollars worth. Never spend a single penny on software. I guess the money issue is why you think you can use the tuner to read LUFS and make variable compression.
You think you actually have to give Arturia your money?
>>126998716>favourite>4:39am in the UK
>>126998816yeah im an early riser, seize the day chump and god save the queen
This drivers the autistics up a wall. Sample and Kontakt libraries on a different drive.
>>126998716imagine paying for plugins lol
>>126998888i use stock plug ins lol
>>126998890pretty based actually but i personally am addicted to downloading random vsts and using them haphazardly to create the weirdest sounds possible
Music production is difficult
I've been doing this for a year and I still haven't come close to making a real song. I just make stupid one minute long shit that doesn't go anywhere
>>126998673If you have a reason to use it on something, go for it
>>126998888ngl I boughted komplete as I was too retarded to get the cracked kontakt libraries to work.
>>127002172I have been doing it most of my life and only recently got a semi-decent sounding mix. It's not easy, you're right. But keep at it. Especially if it's something you enjoy. Writing, performing, singing, recording and mixing my own music is one of the proudest moments of my life. It's the only real achievement I have that makes my soul smile.
>>127002172(1/2)
Some thoughts you didn't ask me for:
>The first year is the hardest. Just figuring out a DAW is really difficult when you're new, so be kind to yourself and realize hanging in there for that long is an accomplishment on its own. It eventually gets more fun.
>Your first attempts at music won't be great, but you should save them on a hard drive anyway. It'll blow your mind when you compare your progress in a few years (and you'll also find your early stuff charming because of nostalgia).
>Remember to judge your music, not yourself. Critical listening is an essential skill to develop, but self-loathing only stunts your growth. Your music might suck right now, but you don't. You're just learning and practicing, which takes time.
>Approach music with curiosity. You don't need to set out to make something good every single time you open your DAW. Sometimes your objective can be to explore different approaches without caring about how the final product turns out. Listen critically to what you've made and reflect on the process AFTER THE FACT, but don't bog yourself down with worries and expectations before you even start. You can't get any better if you don't explore/make stuff.
>Zoom out and reevaluate your creative process/workflow every so often.I try to do it once or twice a year. Given all you've learned in that time, is there a better/easier/more efficient way to get things done? What approaches worked best for you, and which ones didn't? What were your biggest obstacles, and what are some ways you can minimize them? Consider writing it all down when you reflect.
>It helped me to make a physical list of things I didn't know or needed to figure out as I thought of them. That way I didn't forget anything, which really sped things up for me. Plus, crossing off a bunch of shit on a legal pad feels good, and when you're doubting yourself, you can flip through and visually see all the stuff you've learned.
>>127002599This is why I do it, even if im mediocre, I still find the process fulfilling and invigorating. It is fun to problem solve. Mixing is itself an art so there multiple creative outlets happening
>>127002172>>127002937(2/2)
>Getting decent at music is a very slow process, but that's not necessarily a terrible thing. It gives you time to develop your own distinct musical personality - quirks and all. If it was a fast process, you'd probably just come out the gate sounding like everybody else. Sometimes you have to let things simmer for a while.
Anyway, thanks for reading my self-help pamphlet. Glad you're enjoying the process.
>>127002599BASED (and congrats)
>>127002937>>127002954I usually hate these types of wall-of-text, self-indulgent positivity posts, but all of this is fact and indisputable (you're gay if you try to dispute it btw).
>tfw can't remember how to access the private tracker I used for cracked VSTs a few years ago
>apparently I didn't keep the install files for some of my cracks
now I'm rawdogging sketchy looking downloads from audioz as I need some of these plugins installed on my new computer.
>>127002937>Your first attempts at music won't be great, but you should save them on a hard drive anyway. >It'll blow your mind when you compare your progress in a few yearsI got a lot worse before I started to get better. Fuck, some of my earliest stuff is still better than the majority of my music today. It was actually disheartening to listen to my older stuff and wonder where I went so wrong afterwards...
>>127003623It's only a temporary bump. You'll get over it eventually. Just keep at it.
>>127003705I've been doing this for over a decade now
>>127002172Just 'complete' a song(full length structure)
and then go back and fix it.
Getting the draft down makes it easier imo even if it's shit
>>127003741What changed in the meantime?
Has your personality and worldview changed in a way that contrasts your previous creativity-inducing ones? Are you consuming less media? Are you making music in a different way?
Try to find what brought this change and work towards reversing it.
>>127003914>Has your personality and worldview changed in a way that contrasts your previous creativity-inducing ones?Yeah, I was an optimistic teenager back then. Sadly, I can't make myself any younger.
>>127003921Being old doesn't have to mean getting jaded.
You can still have a positive and fun outlook on life even during the darkest times. It's not necessarily easy but it's definitely possible and more than worth it.
Pic related. Be a bloomer, not a doomer (ignore the /pol/ stuff)
>>127003991that's great and all but I'm bipolar
>>127003996Is this the reason why you're not carefree and optimistic?
Regardless of this kind of positive worldview (which you should still strive for even with your disorder), some very talented and successful musicians are bipolar. If you tell yourself that being bipolar means you can't make good music, it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.
In any case, this is beyond my paygrade so I'll stop talking now.
Good luck friend.
>>127003853I can't though
It's like a block, I just cannot think of how to expand it to two minutes without it being a loop that goes on for far too long. So I just give it up and move on
Occasionally I can actually come up with something that's at least two minutes long, but it's like a 1 in 10 chance
>>127002599Do you have any tips on mixing?
I learnt some concepts on mixing like eq-ing and gain staging but i just eq on the fly and i toggle volumes on the fly. Im interested in knowing what should i do to get a semi professional mix out of my stuff
>>127004144>but i just eq on the fly and i toggle volumes on the flyNTA, but my advice: don't do that.
Static mix first, then adjust clip gain if there's anything a bit too spiky in the recordings, and only then consider EQ'ing things and other processing afterwards.
I'd say 70% of the mixing process should be about getting a good level balance, and unless the song you're mixing is crazy dynamic or has severe issues at the recording stage, you should be able to get something sounding alright from the a good static mix, and then spotting what needs to be EQ'd should be much easier.
If you primarily make electronic music, you need to separate in your head what you consider to be your tools used "for the sound" (as you may be using EQs, etc., for sound shaping reasons), versus what you are doing "for the mix". That said, good sounds and good song arranging make the mixing process significantly easier anyway.
>>127004221Whats a static mix?
Whats a level balance?
So what do i do after a static mix, eq and adjust dB for all the tracks?
>>127004221Also can i post here one of my tracks and then you can tell me is it mixed okay and what the mix is lacking?
>>127003597Rutracker is better than Audioz imho.
>>127004283>Whats a static mix?>Whats a level balance?The answer to both is simply: the faders in your mix console.
Set the faders of each instrument (or group of instruments / instrument bus) so that it sounds nice and "balanced". This is not an exact science, but it's a good idea to listen to songs you like and use those as a reference for how loud things might need to be (just keep in mind that a commercially released song is going to be louder than a song you're still working on, so if you use a reference turn that reference down a bit so you're hearing a more fair comparison!)
A "static" mix means setting each fader and keeping it there (no fader volume automation) so it's static for the whole song.
Get a static mix done first before you continue with anything else, seriously it'll save you time in the long run. Take notes along the way as you do this, stuff like "this kick might be a bit too boomy and clashes with the bass", but don't try to immediately fix them. Don't overcomplicate things, take it slow and focus on getting the levels right first (as in, the volume of each instrument) as that's by far the most important part of mixing.
>>127004294Maybe.
Sometimes it's hard to tell from just listening what the problems could be, depends how it's been mixed.
>>127004353thanks mate, i think i get it, i already do pretty much everything you mentioned but i still have trouble making my mix sound pro
here's two for good measure
https://vocaroo.com/1k7Sk4VUigW0
https://vocaroo.com/1eGDtq1fvfFV
When does the suffering end?
https://vocaroo.com/1lc3tsRGxp9A
>>127004432>1k7Sk4VUigW0To me, this sounds imbalanced and weird
kick is too loud and very boomy
drums are weak and a bit too quiet
I'm also not sure what vibe you're going for with it
The beat as well feels disjointed with the rest of it, especially the weird kick pattern you were using. It almost feels a little better whern you switch to a four on the floor.
Some mix adjustments could improve this, but I'm not sure the idea is really quite there to begin with. I get that you were probably going for a weird vibe, but to me it just comes across as disjointed.
>1eGDtq1fvfFV I actually really like this second one, it's nice as a lofi/downtempo track. I think from a song arranging pov, it could do with a more prominent bass part after the beat starts, there should be space for it already and I feel it would really help make it feel "complete".
Mix-wise, though, it's fine.
Mayyyybe drums are a touch too loud now that I listen to it again.
Good stuff anon
I'll give it a "I listened to it more than once/10"
>>127004432Iโm not him but in the first song you really should make the tremolo on that guitar / synth thing which the song opens with in the same tempo as the rest of the track.
>>127004577Thanks for the detailed feedback mate
Actually the first one is probably the favourite one i made in the last year. I was going for something original yet SAW-esque. I already had feedback that its kinda weird but i really dont see it. I just love it
The second one is more straightforward and mix is a lot cleaner. Glad you think mix is fine cause i guess it means i know how to mix, lol. Yeah I noticed theres no bass, guess that could be fixed.
I guess I have potential?
>>127004580Idk thats what makes it what it is for me. You never noticed when guitarists in live concerts play a chord just a milisecond late just to enchance the effect of the chord? Its an artistic choice, not to sound pretentious but it is. I really like it this way , you never seen when producers purposefully put the note or the drum element off grid?
>>127004432not to be a dick but the songs themselves just straight up aren't there, and your static mixes are already off
>>127004770the mix is fine for his second one
>>127004739What are your goals in music?
>>127004776why would you insist on hugboxing when he specifically said he was having trouble
>>127004824>hugboxingI criticized the first mix as it sounded weird, but his second mix is fine overall. My detailed critique is here
>>127004221
>>127004824>hugboxingI criticized the first mix as it sounded weird, but his second mix is fine overall. My detailed critique is here
>>127004577
>>127004787I guess the main goal is to express myself artistically and to constantly improve my musical and production ability. Itd be nice if i would become a pro but i dont put that expectation on myself
https://vocaroo.com/1oBjcHLoQZ6p
>>127004764I know this but the tremolo is like 10bpm faster than everything else. Thatโs not swing. There arenโt any cool polyrhythms. It doesnโt sound more โnaturalโ or live to me, just way too fast. And also the sound is so much louder than everything else. I enjoy abrasive experiments but I would tell you to make the tremolo slower, doesnโt have to perfectly match but itโs not working as is.
>>127005280Oh i thought you were talking about the initial guitar hits and their tempos, not the actual frequency of the tremolo
That one indeed is off, noted
https://vocaroo.com/1cPLj4vCGp8V
>>126986060PLEASE somebody write the fucking builds god damnittttttt
>>127006086What the fuck is that crackling sound?
>>127006368your headphones. the recording is perfect
>>127006412Are you playing the sound of a Geiger meter randomly? It starts out kind of on beat (starting at 0:02) but it is just played randomly after that.
>>127006932works on my machine
FL Studio now has an LLM assistant that answers your questions, gives you chord progressions, etc
https://youtu.be/nKK0TRFwB7g?t=210
It would be trivial to give it access to the project and let it do things to your song, which I think people wouldn't be ok with ATM, but it's inevitable.
Maybe they'll start with basic non-creative tasks that save you time such as normalizing samples, deleting clips of a certain type, set up the mixer a certain way, etc. (basically scripts), but slowly it will be given more and more access until you can just ask it to write you a complete song and it will make you a full project with midi, lyrics etc.
BTW ChatGPT can already write you a song with lyrics, and it will even give you the midi files for it.
It's obviously lame and soulless, but it's insane that it can do it at all, and it's only a matter of time before it's good enough.
>>127007445i uploaded a mp3 to chatgpt once and it told me my mix is muddy :(
if your track is really really good, are you guys not scared to post it here since somebody might steal it?
Not even talking about another anon, i mean they are as irrelevant as anybody else, but just some bigshot producer lurking and copying your ideas. Not like it hasn't happened in the past, most recent example i can think of was the whole Southstar/Robin Schulz controversy
>>127007707Everything's been done
>>127006086the tiny chirp really does sound like crackle, it doesn't really fit imo
not much going in the track, boring slop
develop your shit
>>127004924start sounded promising, then you turn it into a generic kick - bass - kick - bass beat with nothing interesting going on
your voice is so fucking shaky you hear it through the autotune kek (not in a good way)
the potential is there tho, and i do like the tiny break before the piano kicks in again
>>127004517not much to criticise
trap beat like any other
>>126997261good shit, mixing is all over the place and DEVELOP YOUR SHIT
>>126981170it's alright, bass is too dull imo. you also need a break in there otherwise it's too monotonous
>>126988979this + bass from this
>>126989120is the only kino track ITT so far
boy
md5: 91b19be669aec9ba83d2592e046b8d48
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https://vocaroo.com/18xqvSfqdruY
what if i used AI to make music like Daft Punk
>>127008252You'd be famous like Daft Punk.
>>126975246 (OP)this looks complicated
>>127008305damn that would be crazy
>>127008308it's not if you learn how a piano works t b h
I imported the following sound effect from Donkey Kong Jungle Beats
https://voca.ro/1dXIfxyql6LL
into the Ableton Simpler and fiddled with ADSR + filters, which gave this sound
https://voca.ro/1mHF7AblvSHg
then made a hip-hop beat
https://voca.ro/1985jIE7mJNE
Pretty productive evening, I'd say
>>127008252I wouldn't admit to it. You'd be torn to shreds. Besides being "soulless".
https://vocaroo.com/19PmB6JjglRQ
At least know how to recreate it if someone were to call you out for it.
Maybe if you have/are a good enough singer people won't give a shit.
You should make music for your own enjoyment imo and if people like it that's just a good bonus. Only cheating yourself. probably.
>>1269753452nd one is my favorite out of them. imo
> https://vocaroo.com/1e1hhjNgK23n (embed)
>>127008362Well I've been uploading AI songs to /prod/ for a minute now and nobody has said anything, so I think I'll be safe.
>>126989120I just made the bass thing. But If he
>>126988979 wants it, I hope it helped. it probably should be changed around as the rest of the music does, which is why I just did the snippet.
Nevermind that's not fun at all
https://vocaroo.com/19GNtFf2MLEu
>>127008406what exactly do you gain by doing this anyway? are you in your joker arc?
>>127008973I get to laugh at the feedback and feel superior to anons ITT who canโt tell the difference.
>>127009001Nobody cares if we can tell, we all know yours is the generic slop with zero variation.
foc
md5: 007f6411bd9377f70a0f6f73bb595ed6
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>>127008406How dare you come to this holy place and besmirch us
>>127009001I actually don't really care but I don't really see an end goal. Maybe there isn't. I am sure many are already doing the same. I don't know how much of a 'following' you could gain with others doing the same thing. You'd need to find a way to stand out apart of all the other AI slop
https://youtube.com/shorts/2lxsRb4afWg
https://voca.ro/1mOWPGcfNw8U
>>127010354you can't stop me!
>drums solo'd
https://vocaroo.com/1di8LE4haR58
>mix context
https://voca.ro/11YzrEk31E4F
Made my own drum sample kit for the first time
Kinda demoralizing
Spent like 1500 fucking dollars on a recording setup just to sound amateur as hell
Need to put way more time into this and learn live drum tracking too to make it worth it
I think this is usable so far as I mix it better but goddamn is mixing snare hard, so damn trashy, gotta figure that out still
Also toms are surprisingly hard to not make sound bland as fuck
Maybe they just weren't tuned right, I'm no drummer
rate
https://vocaroo.com/1fXgn6aHoEAV
>>127010823I don't think it's too bad.
You could always just buy(torrent) Ezdrummer/Superior drummer if you don't want the hassle of recording a setup.
>Spent like 1500 fucking dollars on a recording setupThat's brutal if you are being honest but you have to start somewhere and at least you have the equipment you want.
>Feel free to sell your soul like that AI poster guy and generate some drums but I've never tried it
usually make garage but trying my hand at some indie
probably needs a vocalist to feel complete, and could be lengthened a bit but im tired of listening to it today
https://vocaroo.com/17OjwIeE63O2
https://voca.ro/1i8X3lNWfscJ
>>127013124Is that what indie is these days? I know it's been a catch-all meaningless term for a while, so maybe you're right, but I probably wouldn't call that indie (is it because there's a guitar playing?). Anyway, guitar sounds decently mixed, but everything around it doesn't fit quite right. The little synth fill at 30 seconds actually made me laugh out loud, what the fuck was that? The guitar is also a little too Deftones at home in tone and chord choice as well. I'm guessing it's actually a sample you've taken from somewhere, cause it stands out a little too much against everything else with how clean it is.
>>1270110141 vocaroo bot out of 5, boring and too long.
>>127013562>but everything around it doesn't fit quite right.do you mean conceptually, or mix-wise? I only started it earlier today so its definitely very rough mix-wise, but if its conceptually bad then thats obviously a bigger deal lol
appreciate the feedback :)
>>127010823Snare in particular sticks out like a sore thumb with the context mix
Core issue for it is that its pitched up too high, particularly the tail. Feels a semitone or two too high
https://voca.ro/16KrabbWqLiV
>>127007707no. i just want to make a banger
THE 30 MINUTE COOKUPS GET BETTER
https://vocaroo.com/1gy4XdCf0clz
https://voca.ro/1fWWzWhQKb9V
>>127007707First I'd have to make a good track!
>>127013590Surely those weren't the only problems you heard
https://vocaroo.com/1a3OL9X8tpvw
>>127007707i donโt care. besides, i have the open files and all the stems
slightly more progressed version - lazily added some brakence vocals to it and cleaned things up ever so slightly
https://vocaroo.com/19r2odYPyQ65
>>127010823>Made my own drum sample kit for the first time>Spent like 1500 fucking dollars on a recording setup just to sound amateur as hell>I'm no drummerwhy though?
kick is way too jarring, and it sounds way to clean compared to rest of the kit, and snare isn't tuned. what kind of setup do you have? what's your room situation?
>>127013124>>127013562>The little synth fill at 30 seconds actually made me laugh out loud, what the fuck was that?kek same. but desu the bitcrushed synth that comes after sounds cool
https://voca.ro/1alhZvD0EBO4
my interface/.mic keeps malfunctioning :(
Oh well it's lofi
>>127015130>https://voca.ro/1alhZvD0EBO4get well soon, anon
>>127013591Not him but conceptually I'd think he'd say
Vibes.
It goes from a guitar intro and tech drums
leading me to expect a breakdown but those synths feel like they come out of left field.
I actually expected a crazier drop or nothing at all.
The other synths and patches are fine but from 25 -45 seconds. It feels contradicting.
You don't have to listen to us, maybe we are wrong and maybe vocals would also change the feel
first time making something like this
https://vocaroo.com/1h37sFNTI6uN
How do i get this to sound clear and jangly?
EQing guitars is a pain in the ass
https://voca.ro/17tOVR5onixx
>>127018608>first time making something like thisThat is not true, it's very clear that you have made multipe things that sound like the DAW just shit itself.
>>127018933Gate the noise so their isn't that buzz?
Do you have an example of what you are trying to get? It sounds fine. Besides that buzz.
>>127018933how is the buzz present while you're playing? it sounds like the pickups
>>127013124tb h this sounds cool af, wouldn't change anything about it. keep going in this direction. its like a high fidelity "to record only water for ten days" by john frusciante
I wish I knew how to sing
>>127021701My ability to sing has degraded so much over the past couple of years, so any time I'm improvising something, I get a note wrong, and if I continue like it was always supposed to be like that, it opens up a totally new branch that I wouldn't have otherwise gone down, so it really helps my creativity.
Obviously this is just a silver lining and I'd much rather sing well, but as long as I can't fix the problem I'd rather focus on the positives and use the situation to my advantage.
>>127021701Don't wish. Learn. Research it. Study it. Practice it. Stop wishing. Shit in one hand and wish in the other. Let me know which fills up faster.
3rd harmonic sub cut breaks my heart every time
i did an aphex twin cover on guitar
https://vocaroo.com/1d31AphILqwG
>>127021701I've been going back and listening to empire empire (I was a lonely estate) lately and it made me realize that anyone can sing. Just be yourself (and practice)
I'm going to learn how to sing too, even though I'm a bass and hate my voice and struggle to sing the D above middle C, but I'm going to do my best. We're all gonna make it.
>>127022553radwolf
>>127022746>radwolfis that bad
>>127022758Rad isn't bad, friend.
Have you seen those wolf t-shirts? The really detailed realistic art ones? My friend's husband has one and it's his favorite shirt.
Also reminded me of some dude who I think went by Radwolf and made ambient music.
>>127013680This is my drummer's kit
He has a tiny little pork pie snare, it's just high pitched
I think it could still be tamed a little if I put moon gels on it and eq out the ping a bit more. But also I didn't tune it at all, it's just where he had it last practice
>>127015045I have a different subbier version of the kick, I was trying to make a much more punchy version that stood out but I might've went too far
Room is just my living room with hardwood floors and a big vaulted A frame ceiling. Pretty good room sound imo if I can mix it right
>>127018933the noise isnt the problem is how to make it fit in de mix, without fuckin up the tone
https://voca.ro/1meTUW4KGNa2
Digitakt got sample chopping and I'm kinda tempted to get one. Kinda. Not really. Yeah, I won't. Where is the Tonverk?
>>126975246 (OP)used the amen break for the first time. every sound other than that was designed by me
https://voca.ro/16UkKd8iUvqO
perhaps...,,,
https://vocaroo.com/191DcLw61gLZ
https://vocaroo.com/1eErOWOY5i1p
made a really lazy club banger tonight for fun.
why'd i have to choose one of the hardest genres to mix?
>>127025181The buildup sounded REALLY promising, the drop is kinda meh. Expected something
Good shit tho
Second part of the first drop is good
https://vocaroo.com/1QleaEJJUSrp
a short demo of some sort of dream pop/alt rock track. mixing wise, what should i be concerned about here?
Yeah baby, all my favourite gay 80s sounds in one VST.
Why is 99% of this thread just psychotic "music" for people extremely high on acid?
>>127026005Who do you think is on 4chan in the first place?
>>127026005i thought my dream pop track was fairly convential tb h
>>127025704What's dream pop about it? Guitar tones are a bit too unclear, not in a genre norm kind of way, just bad mix/recording. The drums are overpowering everything I think so some balance issues to work out at least, maybe it's also some bad eq'ing on the guitar, maybe too much reverb so it's muddy, not 100% sure. Bass is unclear and drowned out too much in the same sort of way. That was listening on my speakers used for just normal music listening at the PC. Listening on mixing headphones brings out some uncomfortable noise with the kick/guitar ducking, not sure 100% again exactly wehat it is, but as a guess you may have too heavy a sidechain going on there, cause the ducking sounds almost like a gated filter, or maybe it's some kind or a heavy pedal effect that is cutting in and out - whatever it is, it's not nice (from about 26secs).
>>127026005>psychotic "music"That's just what I do man
>for people extremely high on acid?
I don't approve of taking drugs.
>>127026005said like a true pleb
>playing around and jamming out like usual when I feel a creative block
>play something that actually sounds really cool and interesting
>realize i was just accidentally playing an ambient aphex song
That was disappointing but Iโll post how it sounded if anyoneโs interested
>>127026483are you me? i already posted a guitar cover of stone in focus in this thread
>>127025465thanks anon. yeah, i agree, i thought that first drop could use some more love. i sort of just shat this one out in like two hours. what would you do to improve it?
>>127023370did the digitakt 1 also get it? if so, you can find those for cheap. i sold mine for 400โฌ few months ago
>>127026435https://vocaroo.com/14pWJUMJqZbW
i made a few changes if you care to check it out.
Any theoryfags around? I have a really retarded question: does the key that you choose to write in even matter, and if so, why? The scale obviously matters because that defines the relationship between the notes, but I don't see why a song written in C major would sound any different to a song written in, say, G major, apart from the pitch being shifted up a bit. The relationships between the notes are exactly the same.
>>127026982If it sounds good it fits
>>127026982>does the key that you choose to write in even matterAre you writing for actual instruments? Are you planning on actual humans reading the music and playing it? Are you writing in a non-equal temperament? If yes to at least one of those then yes. Otherwise no.
>>127026982>does the key that you choose to write in even matter, and if so, why?It subtly matters because people associate specific things with specific keys even if on a subconscious level. As you said it's a different pitch after all. It matters A LOT when you start jumping between keys
>>127026982Some keys are difficult or impossible to play on certain instruments. If you're doing everything in a DAW then that doesn't matter, but you might write yourself into a corner if you decide to write in F major and then you want to add some guitar.
>>127027400lol exactly why would F major be hard to play on guitar?
Do you guys use gain make up on compression?
>>127027895that's plain retarded
>>127027726full barre on first fret filters many
>>127028210nah makes sense when you consider the middle tone temperament that was used at the time.
I need a partner to make bass music!
https://voca.ro/1lrrRTABzB9D
https://voca.ro/1glQuTNqKLpG
vocals up mix
help me make this sound a little bit better eq/compressino wise? I know it's a mess but idk where to start
https://voca.ro/12dU1OaJyOMJ
https://voca.ro/19sKwAGK7xKt
loop, work in progress, might not even get anywhere
Why do we tend to use triplet chords instead of tetrads or dyads? Is there an actual reason why they work best for building progressions?
>>127029713because we aren't octopus
>>127029713>weThatโs you and your small brain
Taste and the way you think about music has to do with cultural upbringing
>>127028493that's a problem only for total beginners
>>127026665No, just the 2.
>>127026982It affects what scale degree becomes your lowest/highest usable note -- whether that is controlled by speakers or limits of instruments depends on what you're writing.
>>127027400I hate how a major 10th in B is out of reach for me on piano, but I can reach all the others ;_;
>>127026782less cohesive and the mix is still a mess. I don't know or care what you wanna do to fix it, but I would focus on getting that bass clearer as a starting point personally.
thoughts on this psych rock? i don't know in what style to sing over it
https://vocaroo.com/17jW4cYWbDQb
>>127029956>No, just the 2.sucks, they've been adding much of the upgrades to 1 too, it's a pretty good drum machine, but elektron likes money more i guess
>>127026782guitar sounds cool, reminds me of 90s and vtmb soundtrack, but that drum beat gets annoying fast. i didn't notice bass at first so try to clean that up, sounds like you EQd all the body from it, it needs some mids. other than that i love the idea, you should finish it.
>>127022900>I have a different subbier version of the kick, I was trying to make a much more punchy version that stood out but I might've went too farRoom is just my living room with hardwood floors and a big vaulted A frame ceiling. Pretty good room sound imo if I can mix it right
how did you mix it then?
>>127018933>>127023060it already sounds clear and jangly. try to add some saturation and subtle delay on highs
im making some buuuullshiiiiiiittt
https://voca.ro/1lurd1mTofWq
>>127030894Cool. Reminds me of this
https://vocaroo.com/14XXcdc8BBSm
my synth tagging / ableton favorite system is crumbling bro i have TOO MANY sounds
a couple weeks ago i saw somebody refer to the "ABBEY ROAD REVERB" trick
the trick was EQ on the reverb. highpass it. low pass it.
to make it "sit in the mix" and "sound natural."
i can't stop thinking about it.
>>127031471most reverb plugins already have EQ. i mean you don't want the fucking kick to reverberate or hiss of hats
If I ever find the fucking cuntface faggot fuck that made midi I'm gonna kill them. Every single goddamn fucking day it finds a fucking way to shit itself for no fucking reason. Every single cunt fuck day. Fuck.
>>126975246 (OP)https://vocaroo.com/14yrsswWnm9X
A week ago I went through a break up in a 10 year relationship, was diagnosed with bpd, and now possibly psychosis or schizophrenia. For week I was hallucinating what looked like a white glowing orb streaking across the room. In my mind I thought it was my grandma trying to tell me not to kill myself but it only made my mental state worse so I believe they were bad spirits preying on my vulnerable life. I wanted to start a song that feels like a false sense of security but curiosity. I'm excited to work on it more and finish it.
>>127032584> false sense of security but curiositythat's definitely coming though on this one
sorry you're going through all that man xoxo
>>127030814i fucked vocals up because i'm drunk. i wanted it to sound indie but ended up as buttrock
https://vocaroo.com/1oCcq0A9LToP
>>127028716Why must you bully me
