Am I a hypocrite for thinking that Catholic Girls is an extremely gross song, yet at the same time thinking that Sy Borg is absolutely hilarious?

>>126978891 (OP)
Catholic Girls is the only Zappa song that feels vile in a way where the satire is a little too subtle for comfort. And the context in the album storyline adds to that.

I think the more 'realistic' elements, from cheating to rockstars taking advantage of sheltered small-town girls is played in such a lighthearted way that it gives Joe's Garage an uncomfortable start and make it hard to recommend as a Zappa fan, especially with the central scrutinizer interludes talking about Mary sucking cock backstage after talking about her idyllic relationship with Joe.

But when Joe's Garage really steps into the absurd elements of act 2 onward, it saves the album from being a bleak NTR story to a surreal futuristic pervert adventure. It's a completely different album at that point and a surprisingly compelling one.
Just because something is perverted doesn't make it gross.
Catholic girls and to a lesser extent crew slut are gross because of the corruption aspects.

>>126979335
Thanks for an intelligent response. I don't have much issues with other songs on Part 1 highlighting sexual exploitation of fangirls, as it is indeed a real part of the music scene. What I find problematic with Catholic Girls is that Zappa goes for a distinct target for his satire (religious youth organizations ending up as places for sheltered teenagers to hang out and have fun, instead of installing Christian values into its members), but he walks into a very sensitive area of discussion (sexual awakening among teenagers intentionally starved of any sex education) and it all ends up sounding like the message of the song is "LITTLE GIRLS ARE WHORES!!!". I know that Frank was a huge proponent of sexual revolution and wanted to smash taboos related to discussing sex, but he lacked personal nuance to properly analyze what he was singing about at that particular moment.

is that song on joe's garage? that record is one of the most difficult listens i've ever sat through in my life, he was such a bitter cunt

>>126980845
Joe's garage? Seriously? I could understand uncle meat or lumpy gravy but Joe's garage is one of hisbmost accessible and funniest records he ever made. The 3rd part gets kinda dark but if you make it past that you're greeted with one of the greatest rock closers ever written. Joe's garage is a monumental record

>>126978891 (OP)
STICK OUT YOUR HOT CURLY WEENIE

geeeee sy, this is a real groovy thread you got heeeeere

fyi, use picrel if you're chasing the tone for 'on the bus'

>>126978891 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJd6zcLnuBs
Catholic Girls was in response to the criticism he got for Jewish Princess.
You prude christcucks need to lighten up. It's a fucking comedy rock opera. Joe becomes the Muffin Man for crying out loud.

>>126982290
Jewish Princess is funny tho

>>126982572
and so is Catholic Girl