Thread 127376493

Caruso Edition

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VT_s776yffA&list=OLAK5uy_kPA2WSlokjUjlsAAjPjg9tiGhVw0Uosw0&index=13

This thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.

>How do I get into classical?
This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:
https://rentry.org/classicalgen

Previous: >>127364979

Hello, friends.

now playing

start of Brahms: Symphony No. 3 in F Major, Op. 90
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vD5ESG2tar4&list=OLAK5uy_m3OY9tb9eBtE7YCHOs7aghWrq9ZC24hF0&index=6

start of Brahms: Symphony No. 4 in E Minor, Op. 98
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGl4jroIwa8&list=OLAK5uy_m3OY9tb9eBtE7YCHOs7aghWrq9ZC24hF0&index=13

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_m3OY9tb9eBtE7YCHOs7aghWrq9ZC24hF0

>>127376502
hey-o

>keep hearing about how this handsome gentleman's music is beautiful, "atonality with a human face"
>fire up a violin concerto live recording
>the concert host gives a ~30 minute lecture about the man and his music, fascinating stuff (his relationship with Manon Gropius)
>get into the mood of things, about to come to the musical part of the recording
>prepare myself for a transcendental experience
>it's just more of that eerie noodling that all 2nd Viennese music seems to be
foiled again

looking for super mario classical

>>127376559
you are spiritually and emotionally lame

>>127376559
Fell for it again award

>>127376559
On Manon Gropius,
>It was during this time that Elias Canetti saw her and, like the composer Ernst Krenek and others in Alma's circle, wrote about his impressions of Manon in his memoirs. Canetti suggests Alma looked upon Manon as just another trophy, on a par with her three husbands and many possessions:

>Hardly a moment later a gazelle came tripping into the room, a light-footed, brown-haired creature disguised as a young girl, untouched by the splendor into which she had been summoned, younger in her innocence than her probable sixteen years. She radiated timidity even more than beauty, an angelic gazelle, not from the ark but from heaven. I jumped up, thinking to bar her entrance into this alcove of vice or at least to cut off her view of the poisoner on the wall, but Lucrezia, who never stopped playing her part, had irrepressibly taken the floor:

>"Beautiful, isn't she? This is my daughter Manon. By Gropius. In a class by herself. You don't mind my saying so, do you, Annerl [diminutive for Anna Mahler]? What's wrong with having a beautiful sister? Like father, like daughter. Did you ever see Gropius? A big handsome man. The true Aryan type. The only man who was racially suited to me. All the others who fell in love with me were little Jews. Like Mahler. The fact is, I go for both kinds. You can run along now, pussycat. Wait, go and see if Franzl [diminutive for Franz Werfel] is writing poetry. If he is, don't bother him. If he isn't, tell him I want him."

>With this commission Manon, the third trophy, slipped out of the room, as untouched as she had come; her errand didn't seem to trouble her. I was greatly relieved at the thought that nothing could touch her, that she would always remain as she was and never become like her mother, the poisoner on the wall, the glassy, blubbery old woman on the sofa.[8]

so wonder Mahler was so neurotic

Anyway, that violin concerto owns, come back to it later or try another recording.

>Long before the opera reached the stage, Hindemith had produced his symphony of the same title, naming its three movements after the three panels of the Isenheim altarpiece: Concert of Angels, The Entombment, and Temptation of St Anthony. It holds in Hindemith’s orchestral production a place as central as that of the opera among his stage works. The nobility of this music, by turns muscular, contemplative, and radiant, presents a vivid summation of German traditions, and in particular of the Lutheran chorale style that is specifically recalled at its climactic moments.

>The technical means to this exalted end are of particular interest at a time when attitudes to the classical key system have shifted away from the hard-nosed atonal position espoused by many composers in the middle years of the century. Sometimes described in his own day as an atonal composer, Hindemith repudiated such labels; he dismissed atonality in bracing terms as a cheap excuse for mental laziness. He based his highly personal harmonic language on the application of acoustic laws to the notes of the chromatic scale, treating its various degrees as harmonics derived from one fundamental, and grading chords from strong to weak depending on the relative nearness of their component notes to the fundamental. His concern was always to organize the melodic progress and rhythmic pulse of his music in a harmonic “rise and fall” that places the weight of any passage just where it is needed. While his mature music is seldom straightforwardly tonal, it inhabits a world with many parallels to that of tonality. The multiplication of technical terms is not in itself a good thing; but it might be a good idea to distinguish his method by a new and more accurate one and call it “paratonal.” His opinion was that composers have always been subconsciously aware of the harmonic laws he explicitly codified.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XP9kxvDI_Ng

Most dissappointing composers?

>>127376637
Sounds like he had more of the mind of a theorist than an artist. One gets the same impression from his music, though he has some successes.

>5th random-ass, literal who composer edition in a row
thank you sister.

>>127376654
Scriabin

>>127376659
like Bach

>>127376612
>Manon Gropius
What kind of fucking name is that? Hello my name is Gunan Cleepio. Nieman Grupos. Leenan Carpus. Does that sound right to you?

>>127376654
whoever is in the OP most certainly.

>>127376659
>Sounds like he had more of the mind of a theorist than an artist.
Nice false dichotomy, hater
>>127376665
>literal who composer edition
Anon.... Do you not know who Caruso was?

>>127376669
You can't have that kind of prolific output without the mind of an artist, especially output which comes so naturally.

>>127376670
Family of artists and eccentric high society types will do that.

>>127376665
You're kidding right?

Why did Alma keep using the name Mahler? Clout? Irony? Publishing rights?

>>127376683
No, opera isn't my favorite genre. The composer seems to be Leoncavallo though. Literally who?

>>127376694
Clout and the ability to say,
>Yes, I'm Gustav's Mahler's Alma

>>127376687
I'd say the opposite it suggests you're putting less thought into each individual piece

>>127376702
>The composer seems to be Leoncavallo though. Literally who?

>>127376714
Well, that's a reasonable conclusion to reach if you're someone both intellectually and artistically limited.

>>127376702
Heard a joke about Pagliacci once

>>127376612
Yeah, I saw that passage. Everything I've read about Alma Mahler makes her out as the most disgusting self-obsessed bohemian harpy of fin de siecle, it's honestly bizarre what all these men saw in her
>Anyway, that violin concerto owns, come back to it later or try another recording.
I did listen to it on the train having just gotten out of bed, so I'll return to it in the coming days, but I'm not optimistic

>>127376744
People are just as obsessed with well-off arthoes today, anon.

>>127376702
jesus, the state of /classical/

>>127376727
No it's a completely reasonable conclusion to reach. It's not just neccessarily true.

For comparison the most profilic author English language is L. Ron Hubbard,

>>127376744
What's truly bizarre is not how much of a monster she was, but rather the fact that she was actually pretty ugly looking even by 1890-1910 central european standards
>>127376751
but anon at least they tend to be attractive nowadays

>>127376702
lol

>>127376760
>For comparison the most profilic author English language is L. Ron Hubbard,
And he had the mind of an artist.

>>127376760
>it's completely reasonable, let me prove it with a false equivalence
haha yeah

>>127376776
a con artist

>>127376763
>but anon at least they tend to be attractive nowadays
This was a 10/10 in late 19th century, early 20th century Europe.
https://fromthebygone.wordpress.com/2012/06/28/portraits-of-alma-mahler-the-most-beautiful-girl-in-vienna

>>127376784
Clever reply, I'll give you the 1-0 on this one. I concede.

>>127376794
>This was a 10/10 in late 19th century, early 20th century Europe.
I weep for them

Wagner

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YS4fTRXePA

>>127376659
>>127376687
>it can't be artistic if it's smart

>>127376802
>I weep for them
What do you think Mahler's 6th, "Tragic" was about?

>>127376829
Someone *should* write a symphony about how terrible it is to be surrounded by uggos.

>>127376777
Let me guess it's a false equivalence because it just is ok?

At any rate that was not my 'proof' just an example The statement is basically self evident

>>127376838
That's what Berg's Violin Concerto, "Death of an Angel" was about -- the death of the only genuinely attractive girl he'd seen in his entire life.

okay I'm done with jokes now

>>127376838
Someone you know probably

>>127376850
>I am right; that much is self evident. Wait, you can't just say you're right, you gotta prove it! But I don't. I am evidently right.
Evidently not

>>127376857
Can't you just work it yourself? Do you really need me to tell you probably already know?

Shostakovich symphonies 4-10, and arguably 4-12, is an insane run of quality now that I think about it

>>127376850
t. spiritually and emotionally lame

>>127376857
>Wait, you can't just say you're right, you gotta prove it! But I don't. I am evidently right
Yeah it turns out different things are different and have different standards little buddy

>>127376913
>>127376972
here's your (You)

>>127376992
Keep your (you)s I spit on them

>>127376669
If Bach was a theorist more than an artist, he would be writing complex fugues and coming up with new things all the time.
The guy was a counterpoint machine, but he had a passion for it like no other counterpoint machine before or after him.

imagine being so mentally weak and feeble that theory scares you out of being able to appreciate artistry

now playing; it's a mixed program of Liszt pieces so I'll link four random ones

Liszt: Années de pèlerinage I - Suisse, S 160: No. 6 La vallée d'Obermann
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ADtxG-b8ik&list=OLAK5uy_mJlDtKILzRCbQOaOOrv0sGyn-RXDK2ATU&index=2

Liszt: St François d'Assise, S. 175: No. 1 La prédication aux oiseaux
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPCEkRHZX-g&list=OLAK5uy_mJlDtKILzRCbQOaOOrv0sGyn-RXDK2ATU&index=4

Liszt: Hungarian Rhapsody No. 13, S. 244/13
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qrH8_8OFqg&list=OLAK5uy_mJlDtKILzRCbQOaOOrv0sGyn-RXDK2ATU&index=6

Liszt: Harmonies poétiques et religieuses, S. 173: No. 7 Les Funérailles
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uE4pOainRr4&list=OLAK5uy_mJlDtKILzRCbQOaOOrv0sGyn-RXDK2ATU&index=8

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mJlDtKILzRCbQOaOOrv0sGyn-RXDK2ATU

On these kind of mixed program, recital-type recordings: they do have the benefit of providing not only variety, but singling out and emphasizing individual pieces either from long piano cycles or uncommonly performed, allowing them to shine and be heard in new contexts. On the flip, whenever I listen to these releases, whenever they end up being good, I do get kinda frustrated because it makes me wish the pianist would record the entire cycle from which these pieces are from lol; you hear their fantastic take on one part from, in this case, Annees de pelerinage so you can't help but wonder how great an entire cycle from them would be, but they'll never do that. Or some performers who only have one piano sonata from a composer, how great their others would be! etc

Anyway, I got high hopes for this, and like I said, I plan on going through most of Volodos' discography, he hasn't disappointed yet.

>>127376559
>eerie 2nd viennese warbling

Webern cool again. Fugue found to be modern. More news from the cafe at 11 on the hour.

Charlemagne Palestine(Chaim Moshe Tzadik Palestine)
Strumming Music

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGN21a5T9oY&list=RDTGN21a5T9oY&start_radio=1&ab_channel=CharlemagnePalestine-Topic

>>127377378
not sure what this has to do with /classical/, maybe try >>>/mu/ instead?

>>127377152
>St François d'Assise, S. 175: No. 1 La prédication aux oiseaux
What's so impressive about talking at birds? It's hardly a miracle if you ask me

>>127377427
Oh yeah? When's the last time you spoke to a bird? Huh? Thought so.

>>127377433
A week or so ago

>>127377448
"wait for me while I go to preach to my sisters the birds."

>>127377152
The worst is mixed Bach releases where they have two fugues and two preludes (different keys, of course) from the WTC, two random parts from the Partitas, Suites, etc., and a couple transcriptions, and it's such a tease because now I wanna hear them do an entire WTC book or Art of Fugue or whatever.

>>127377473
Don't yo fucking lie to me you piece of shit, you bastard, you foul fiend, you adversary

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>DAILY REMINDER

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>DAILY REMINDER
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyWOIKCtjiw&list=RDKyWOIKCtjiw&start_radio=1 [Embed]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLugJIWdpCM&list=RDtLugJIWdpCM&start_radio=1 [Embed]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-utT-BD0obk&list=RD-utT-BD0obk&start_radio=1 [Embed]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxx7Stpx7bU&list=RDcxx7Stpx7bU&start_radio=1 [Embed]
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQ44z_ZqzXk&list=RDOQ44z_ZqzXk&start_radio=1 [Embed]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGyBRbbHpno&list=RDpGyBRbbHpno&start_radio=1 [Embed]

>>127377515
>DAILY REMINDER
of what

>>127377500
I asked a crow to move out my way and it did

>>127377515
>Ives
>Reich

>>127377524
>he doesn't know

>>127377528
STFU the fuck up your face's mouth

>>127377574
I like those digits because of Papa Ives birthday year, that's the only reason why i'm responding to your awful post.

>>127377515
it's funny, I never understood these posts until I saw this exchange
>>127377524
>>127377590
I thought it had something to do with a certain chord or progression or someting. but now I get it

>>127377590
Who are you quoting, Charles?

>>127377596
My brother in law knows a guy who can commune to some degree with swans with hand gestures. I haven't personally seen so I can't say for sure.

>>127377628
I saw the devil make out with the president

now playing

start of Brahms: Piano Sonata No. 2 in F-Sharp Minor, Op. 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYIcqVc57QM&list=OLAK5uy_mWDhXz_RjOxyWfbCbvLHUzTUV92nuUP_A&index=2

start of Brahms: Piano Sonata No. 1 in C Major, Op. 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTxh5hSyyK8&list=OLAK5uy_mWDhXz_RjOxyWfbCbvLHUzTUV92nuUP_A&index=6

start of Brahms: Piano Sonata No. 3 in F Minor, Op. 5
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFK89DhCvIc&list=OLAK5uy_mWDhXz_RjOxyWfbCbvLHUzTUV92nuUP_A&index=9

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mWDhXz_RjOxyWfbCbvLHUzTUV92nuUP_A

>>127377616
>>127377626
I've been posting here since 2013, and am trying to spark some shitposting/controversy to this general. it's gotten boring since most of the trips left around 2019

so repeat after me(and if you don't agree you're a skirt wearing chopin listener)

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>>127377735
Notker Balbulus and before
Aho and after

>>127377741
telling it like it is senpai

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>>127377735
>am trying to spark some shitposting/controversy to this general
That's pretty sad, my guy. Have you considered getting laid and/or touching grass?

>>127377741
<<< the common practice era (Pachelbel and after, Reger and before)

>>127377735
Ballistic Intercontinental Anti-Air

wait

>>127377777
common practice more like commoner practice vulgar practice simpleton practice plebeian practice you disgusting worm, you worm, you writhe in the dirt and know nothing of culture

>>127377764
This is 4chan, don't stoop to those normie insults please.

>>127377797
Those aren't insults, I'm trying to help you.

>>127377764
Yep I do both, you should probably take your own advice but I guess not getting laid is what happens when listen to Chopin and Brahms

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>>127377806
>I do both
and other fun lies to tell on the internet

>>127377806
>but I guess not getting laid is what happens when listen to Chopin and Brahms
hey! >:^(

>>127377795
that's rich coming from someone who couldn't accurately define tonal harmony to save his life.

>>127377824
>writhe writhe write
that's all I hear you worm, you wet slimy worm in the dirt below; get eaten by a bird

>>127377813
Why would I lie about something so normal and attainable?

>>127377814
Only in jest my friend, I don't hate those composers just want to get these generals going again like they were back then.

>>127377845
Because you're subnormal and pathetic

>>127377777
DIGITS HAVE SPOKEN

>>127377853
>projecting in 2025

I am a trans gay black jewish furry and I only listen to two things: Bach and before, and Ives and after.

>>127377877
Yes, you are a faggot troon but please keep this going, the more shitposting and memes in this general the better

BAB
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>>127377777
quints of truth. contrarians are on suicide watch. common practice era chads just can't stop winning.

falling back in love with Liszt's Transcendental Etudes :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxEzio8jwNs&list=OLAK5uy_mVXWXvQVF6TDFcLV1dRR4z5irWzTPBPj8&index=11

favorite recording(s) of Schubert's D.958?

Bach

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6xstbvCf1M&list=PLCLLlqew1C4igmkNJDkVCmTgKrpj1E9g2&index=11

>>127377983
Not the most adventurous reply, but yeah

>>127377965
Check out Sara Ott's recording sometime

>>127377983
Erdmann
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sa3JMKcM7c&list=OLAK5uy_kdqKQAqyDakt6gVYv6lF3qJbKXI1IAH6g&index=121

Die Zauberflöte (Sung in Italian) , K. 620, Act II: Act II: Gli angui d'inferno (Konigin der Nacht) · Elisabeth Schwarzkopf

Conductor: Herbert von Karajan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzj2yBz7_VU

>>127378013
nice

>>127378013
that harpsichord died :( but it went to heaven! :)

>>127377806
Your uncle doesn’t count…besides that was a long time ago

>>127377806
You smashed with a grown woman? I call cap on that, bro.

>>127378223
When you reach 10k posts in this general, you get complementary Yuja or Alma pussy

>>127378223
That was awful, and you should ashamed of yourself

>>127378285
fr fr ong nocap

>>127378308
Asians don’t count either. Anyone can land an Asian bird.

>>127378323
>Anyone can land an Asian bird.
>bird

>>127378348
You fuck with Asian Babushka

>>127377515
What does the "f" stand for ?

A new biography is scheduled to be released soon which will make the no doubt inflammatory claim that the great Erich Kleiber was not Carlos's biological father. It often occurred to me that there was far too little resemblance in either physique, temperament or musical personality between father and son. But that's not the half of what makes this fascinating.

Apparently, there is an 80% chance that the father is none other than Alban Berg. Berg, apparently, pulled a Wagner and began to schtupp his most devoted conductor's wife while the conductor labored on the world premiere of his masterpiece. Kleiber conducted the premiere Berg's great opera, Wozzeck, after 124 rehearsals (easily breaking Hans von Bulow's record for Wagner's Tristan of 77), and Berg apparently busied himself equally with the unattended Mrs. Kleiber.

>>127378414
no one cares

>>127378414
Is this for real? That's nuts. I'm sure this kind of thing was more common than we know though.

>>127378421
Can you stop trying to demoralize and repel the interesting, relevant posts?

>>127378445
>no one replied to my boring fuckass post so I'll have to do it myself
inb4over9000hoursonMSPaint

>>127378453
Stop. Trying. To. Kill. The. General.

really underwhelmed by my first opera
it's uncomfortably loud without hearing protection but you can't hear shit with hearing protection on so i didn't enjoy the experience at all.

inafterover9000hoursonMSPaint

Let us discuss the wonderful music of Paul Hindemith, the greatest germanic composer of the XXth century.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gzw2v5rtoPU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHo8igW6qb8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iXUeUDEWvo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAAmPNV_4B4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYUZccKkemo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRLf-0QWcXY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOIDixKWk5E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGsSeAhVMTA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92tVdEKd6hg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsSd6P3J_aM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttFjGOfqYgQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KA8BuCVBOW0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kW_EfiES8_A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGlaCmMmTEI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3Yx8DCbH-A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgLkNM1NUkY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDtEZp26AIY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2XkjhWT90Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-bEs_6Y7AA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZkX9huvKw0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6wK7BV0su4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpgYJhpcL8s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7c8SFS9Lxk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEDpcdx5ppk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qS--K3dPHzY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vx9itohCcBk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6vxqnnEwiE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZP7raZ9cNw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3LbnolRwik
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ldG_sp5Be4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROdNmZXPQhw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6p3NQ1_wvc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPgmUji_bBM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vnuHYRMiv4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HV1Tw6AvCI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoIPU5bY0kU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84Sn-KzsV94
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-pLs_RwP0c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDRMkYW7lFE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWcXVMheFh0

>>127378445
>Is this for real?
It's a real rumour, yes. Now whether it's true, who knows. I don't really see much of a resemblance, personally.

>>127378535
damn, to state it so openly and plainly, is usually the result of significant smoke and where there's significant smoke there's usually fire

thought's on Post-Opera?

>>127377983
your mom's

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>>127378517
>greatest germanic composer of the XXth century.

that would be Strauss or Reger but ok.

best recording of Beethoven's Hammerklavier on Ukulele?

let's try Austbo's Brahms set

4 Ballades, Op. 10
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDxGQZg4fh0&list=OLAK5uy_mchZQKhi-DZycwd3oWClxCQFKoRpb4V2k&index=2

2 Rhapsodies, Op. 79
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCpE6kp02Ss&list=OLAK5uy_mchZQKhi-DZycwd3oWClxCQFKoRpb4V2k&index=6

8 Klavierstücke, Op. 76
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGweAizBEwk&list=OLAK5uy_mchZQKhi-DZycwd3oWClxCQFKoRpb4V2k&index=8

7 Fantasien, Op. 116
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkduQw_ub6E&list=OLAK5uy_mchZQKhi-DZycwd3oWClxCQFKoRpb4V2k&index=16

3 Intermezzi, Op. 117
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrejfCAOXqY&list=OLAK5uy_mchZQKhi-DZycwd3oWClxCQFKoRpb4V2k&index=23

6 Klavierstücke, Op. 118
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLLfUYPlt2k&list=OLAK5uy_mchZQKhi-DZycwd3oWClxCQFKoRpb4V2k&index=26

4 Klavierstücke, Op. 119
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKXwxBLmdCc&list=OLAK5uy_mchZQKhi-DZycwd3oWClxCQFKoRpb4V2k&index=31

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mchZQKhi-DZycwd3oWClxCQFKoRpb4V2k

After this, I think I'm gonna finally make my way back to the most popular and acclaimed solo piano Brahms set, Katchen's, and see how it holds up now that I've got a solid grasp and wide repertoire for all of my favorite pieces.

>>127378647
B flat, A, C, B natural

D, E flat, C, B natural

>>127378647
bach and beethoven
brahms and alkan

>>127378739
E-G#-A-F

>>127378765
Alfven > Alkan

>>127378647
>>127378739
>>127378760
>>127378765
>>127378768
>>127378778
Thank you friends for embracing the BAB/IAA lifestyle, I don't loathe all romantic composers, and there are ones I enjoy you should too

Liszt(late)
Alkan
Chabrier
Grieg
Russian Five
Franck

>>127378808
a life without Beethoven isn't worth living

comfy album cover, Kurt Sanderling and Uchida discussing classical between the trees behind the neighborhood :3

>>127378828
I do enjoy Beethoven, only reason why I didn't list him is that I still consider him a Classical era composer

I like the, 7th symphony and 7th string quartet, +13th, 14th, and 15th, sonatas 12 and 15,the late bagatelles and late sonatas as well as the 1st, 4th, and 5th concerto. John Field also gets my approval since he has none of the neuroticism of Romanticism.

>>127378808
?

>>127378894
Just nod and politely smile, they're meme schizoposting

>>127378886
How do you feel about Shostakovich?

>>127378894
Even Monsieur Debussy shares some bread with me as well

>"Chabrier, Moussorgsky, Palestrina, voilà ce que j'aime" – they are what I love.

>>127378664
Both are XIX-XX

>>127378914
>Chabrier
>Moussorgsky
Famously pre-Back and post-Ives composers, yes

>>127378912
Not Platonic

I'm joking. He's genius that I have no intention of enjoying or listening to, too neurotic for me, but that's mostly because of the war and Stalin so its not disingenuous either.

I'm not going to deny the genius of his quartets either, probably up there with Bartok and Beethoven's

>>127378966
>Not Platonic
what a compliment

>>127378927
I do make exceptions>>127378808
, they have a very modern artistic mindset despite composing in the Romantic era

>>127378982
I don't care. You're disingenuous and deserving of contempt.

>>127379000
Your digits speak the truth, should I make a trip so you and the rest of this general hate on me like CLT, Tallis, and Celebes?

>>127379016
That would make it very easy for me to filter you, yes

Wurtz!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5CLvSa_Tmc&list=OLAK5uy_l54VrQdIEWiQWpb427CmCBN86RfbmqgHs&index=14

>>127379028
I'll stick top anon posting then, this board needs a new villain, a bogposter for the Alpha generation

>>127379065
You've lost it, anon, someone must have spiked your meth this time. Lord knows I've been there.

>>127379116
Some of the oldest guides of internet etiquette state: Don't feed the trolls, and don't give attention whores attention. Why is it so hard for you?

>>127379116
I have a mental clarity that only Post-Bach and before and Ives and after listening could ever do too a man. I will be shitposting in the days to come

Poos

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBIssCMy_A4&list=OLAK5uy_n8zkVfWhEJXZob-Dw8JYjY8M21EuB6Xdc&index=13

now playing

start of Schubert: Piano Sonata No. 19 in C Minor, D. 958
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQrrJiiYM94&list=OLAK5uy_k_ck9MdpEH2oA50XkfXEC2WtOYDRDVDr0&index=2

start of Schubert: Piano Sonata No. 20 in A Major, D. 959
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fjatrd0AUgQ&list=OLAK5uy_k_ck9MdpEH2oA50XkfXEC2WtOYDRDVDr0&index=6

start of Schubert: Piano Sonata No. 21 in B-Flat Major, D. 960
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPWEtnxlpiI&list=OLAK5uy_k_ck9MdpEH2oA50XkfXEC2WtOYDRDVDr0&index=9

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_k_ck9MdpEH2oA50XkfXEC2WtOYDRDVDr0

>Swiss pianist Francesco Piemontesi interprets Schubert's last three piano sonatas (D958-D960) on his PENTATONE debut album, after years of engagement with these extraordinary works. These sonatas continue to fascinate pianists and listeners until this very day. They are arguably among the most existential music ever written for the piano, full of beauty and sadness, celebrating life and at the same time anticipating the composer's untimely death. Even if Schubert was barely thirty years old when he wrote these works, they reveal the otherworldly and detached nature of what is often described as "late style", while the music remains highly expressive and personal.

Just for fun, over the next week I'm gonna listen to several different recordings of these Schubert late piano sonatas for interpretive and quality comparison. For sure I'm gonna do Pollini, Paul Lewis, Lupu, Andsnes, Perahia, Kempff, and Brendel, maybe Uchida? Piemontesi here should be setting a high bar.

>>127378517
hindebump

Thread theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIvWjI4PrJw

Exsultate, jubilate · Joan Sutherland · Cologne Radio Symphony Orchestra · Alberto Erede

Joan Sutherland Collector's Album: Rare Broadcasts


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEeZV6-DHh0

>>127379321
my crippling depression: annihilated.

>>127378517
bumpdemith

prank idea: I sneak into the house of another /classical/ poster and replace some of their digital files of recordings with movements from other recordings, eg their Gulda Beethoven Hammerklavier now has a slow Barenboim adagio

>>127379945
Good luck

>>127379945
koek

Bach by Suzuki
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=mqWmjDpXLUU

>>127379945
>>127380015
Sorry, I wouldn't want there to be a misunderstanding: When I said "good luck", I meant it in the sense of "good fucking luck breaking into my house; I'll shoot you on sight".

>>127378517
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6p3NQ1_wvc
the third movement was particularly gorgeous
I also appreciate how short these are. The second trio and some of the kammer (or was it konzert, I was just letting it play in the background) sounded good enough that I might have to revisit with a more "present" state of mind. Haven't listened to mooooost of this, but I loved the trios, too. I'm a slut for trios if you know what I mnean hyuk hyuk

>>127380401
good to know, friend. The one I >>127378517 am currently digging is by Paavo w/the Frankfurt Radio Symphony (the one I linked was the only one I could find on YT that wasn't a) hisscore, b) conducted by Bernstein, or c) divided into three separate videos for each movement)

How important do you guys find Opera to be? It certainly feels like besides Wagner, most people here rarely discuss Opera beyond overtures. What is the reason instrumental music became the leading type of music that a composer was known for rather than their Operas?

Is it just because Anglos are too afraid to translate these works to english? Translations of opera are almost as old of a practice as opera itself, so I always found it a bit silly how so many performances fixate on it being in the original language. I think the librettist would be more appreciative if you understood what he wrote rather than just hearing what he wrote as a bunch of gibberish while you read a translation through a pamphlet. I can understand if the performance is in the original country of origin or a country that speaks the language. But would a orchestra perform either operas or arias in a language they don't speak, completely butchering it and making it hard to understand for literally everyone? It's linguistic schizophrenia imo

>>127377735
So you've been filtered by Chopin since 2013?

>>127381056
Operas are still popular, in some circles more important than instrumental music. I think it comes down to personal preference.
For me personally, it's much harder to indulge in human voice compared to instrumental music, and thus notice patterns, melodies, without which I can't enjoy music. It feels harsh for some reason and it's harder to stay focused on it. That said there are exceptions. Baroque opera is less irritating.

>>127381310
>Operas are still popular, in some circles more important than instrumental music
At least in the west it feels almost dead of a medium. Especially when most performances are people acting overly stuffy and serious over it, even when the story is just being genuinely funny like a lot of Mozart's operas. I can understand it for some works of music, but when the opera has a scene of a bird-man pretending to hang himself in order to get pity pussy, that's just funny. Just feels like people are scared to enjoy it.
>For me personally, it's much harder to indulge in human voice compared to instrumental music, and thus notice patterns, melodies, without which I can't enjoy music.
The ability to notice patterns really depends on the singing style. When it's just retardedly vibrato-heavy I agree it's hard as I can often barely tell what note is being sung in newer recordings, probably why I prefer slightly older recordings.
>Baroque opera is less irritating
Might be due to HIPsters preferring cleaner tones for baroque music. Even if the singing is not actually historically accurate, I prefer that cleaner tone over what modern "traditional" opera singers do, as I can at least hear a melody being sung.

>>127380249
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=pLiX9shoMWs

>>127381419
It's also worth noting that some people don't really care about stories or any non-musical aspects of music, myself included. I have no idea what any of the arias from oratorios or operas I like are singing about and I'm not really interested in looking it up.
You're absolutely right about vibrato. I don't have any problem with instrumental vibrato for some reason, but it can ruin the singing. I like clean HIPster singing.
What are your favorite recordings of operas in general, by any composer?

Is the mass the vocal equivalent of the four movement structure?

>>127376493 (OP)
I'm making an AI video of Caruso swordfighting Pepe The Frog, he knocks Pepe's sword over a roof and it impales Hayley Williams - a good metaphor for the decline of music.

>>127382154
Just like Bollywood, Saar

Chirp
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwET2i5sMcs

>>127382653
kill yourself right now.

Myaskovsky
https://youtu.be/YIgqqWso7u8?si=qewcpN4amKkt8Wu_

it's very unfortunate that fritz reiner never recorded metamorphosen.

>>127381056
>How important do you guys find Opera to be

completely depends on the composer. i like most operas by mozart, wagner, strauss and puccini, but have, for some reason, never warmed to verdi. nor do i hear anything of interest in donizetti and bellini. so basically it's no different from a symphony or a string quartet: if i like it, it's because i think it's a good composition by a good composer, not because it belongs to a certain genre.

When I die I want to be reincarnated as Alberti Bass

now playing

start of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 30 in E Major, Op. 109
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lwn8uZcGIxg&list=OLAK5uy_mBDYi_jbktoj2WYKCIkPsjFpdMa4tkUxI&index=23

start of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 31 in A-Flat Major, Op. 110
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlqT6zKZ-1c&list=OLAK5uy_mBDYi_jbktoj2WYKCIkPsjFpdMa4tkUxI&index=26

start of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 32 in C Minor, Op. 111
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbycYrVQnNU&list=OLAK5uy_mBDYi_jbktoj2WYKCIkPsjFpdMa4tkUxI&index=28

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mBDYi_jbktoj2WYKCIkPsjFpdMa4tkUxI

This has got to be, for the time being, my favorite 21st century Beethoven piano sonatas cycle. Check it out!

>>127383306
This looks an intelligent rap album cover or something-why's this nigger flipping the V sign at me-and don't give me the obvious answer

>>127383345
Fr*nchies gonna Fr*nch

>>127383354
It' is quite a nice artsy cover I guess-it's a shame though someone smeared white paint on the album cover

>>127383374
It's his power

>>127376493 (OP)
He could only hold his breath 1 third as long as Bob Dylan could,a lthough he was just as good a singer as Bob

>tfw there some some pieces I think are best suited for evening listening
>lately haven't been feeling like listening to classical at the end of the day
>end up never listening to those pieces at all
sad

alright, let's find out just how good this recording of Liszt's Transcendental Etudes performed by Yunchan Lim is, I know a lot of people here are a fan of his swiftly delicate and forwardly propelled style of playing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IoY6amZmhA&list=OLAK5uy_m0_0dNtja9efjGRwbu_7QpuBDr2I1gG9o&index=8

Jed Distler outright calls it, "The Best Liszt Transcendental Etudes Ever",
>A little audience rustle is a small price to pay for what must be the best live integral performance of the Transcendental Etudes ever preserved in sound. Let’s hope that Lim will sustain this level of artistic and pianistic brilliance over the course a long and fulfilling career.
placing it as his reference recording next to Arrau's immortal set and Abbey Simon's.

>Tchaikovsky Symphony 1
:^/
>Tchaikovsky 2
:^|
>Tchaikovsky 3
:^)
>Tchaikovsky 4
^_^
>Tchaikovsky 5
:^D
>Tchaikovsky 6
:^O

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZWPG_JCybc

>>127383827
lol

>Rachmaninoff Symphony 1
:^|
>Rachmaninoff 2
:`3
>Rachmaninoff 3
:-)

>>127383862
The third is definitely overlooked

>>127376493 (OP)
>Energy could at least be conserved before American audiences, he discovered.

>In 1908, he wrote: “Dramatic stresses don’t have any effect in this country… when I use stresses or sobs they applaud rather coldly; but when I sing like an automaton they are all happy and go crazy. I have worked out that, instead of tiring myself out by giving, giving and giving more, I sing in a certain way that works for the Americans and which is an economy of effort for me, and … everyone says ‘Ah! How well Caruso is singing this year! Magnificent!’”

jej

>>127383948
lol Americans btfo'd again

>>127383948
>>127383962
He was Italian chances are he was fagging it up and trying way too hard outside America. The Americans got him to sing properly

>>127383962
Not really. It makes Americans sound rational or concerned with technicality; emotional singing doesn’t necessarily sound better. I suppose it was a far different country in 1908; more WASPs or Anglo-Saxons.

Ballade no.4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcQmUSd__pI

>>127379945
I just snuck into another anon's house and replaced all their copies of the finale of Bruckner's 5th with the finale from his 4th -- all of those counterpoint lines which will never be resolved!

now playing

start of Glazunov: Symphony No. 8 in E-Flat Major, Op. 83
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPDDVWt9qjg&list=OLAK5uy_kyrzBPGN6sxiYRYc664WPAjdsmWzuMCXA&index=2

start of Glazunov: Suite from Raymonda, Op. 57a
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wj3MavlEIP0&list=OLAK5uy_kyrzBPGN6sxiYRYc664WPAjdsmWzuMCXA&index=5

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kyrzBPGN6sxiYRYc664WPAjdsmWzuMCXA

>her face when we're in my room and I put on Shostakovich's 24 Preludes and Fugues, Op. 87

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlPC9CNsafU

>It is ironic that Hindemith's great opera should have been banned by the Nazis, for as Hindemith's friend Willy Schreker recounted, Mathis der Maler was originally intended as a quintessentially German opera: "the theme," wrote Schreker, "is big and German." Grünewald represented, to Hindemith, the great German artist "who went his own way despite being misunderstood, and resisted the foreign influence of the Italian Renaissance." Unfortunately, Hindemith's enemies in the Reichsmusikkammer prohibited the performance of his work, and as Hitler himself was said to dislike Hindemith's music, the Nazi regime eventually turned against the composer.
based
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaPj_7EvL7U

Chopin the beginning and the end. Nothing else is worth hearing.

Arensky essential works?

>>127384934
2 Trios, 2 quartets, quintet, 24 morceaux, 12 preludes, 12 etudes, 2 symphonies, 3 symphonic suites, 2 concertos (piano, violin), variations on a theme by Tchaikovsky. He didn't write a lot, might as well listen to everything you can get your hands on

>>127384980
if you like chopin played by liszt

>>127384980
That's not Arrau, Freire, or Lisiecki.

>>127384997
>Lisiecki
lmao

>>127385031
haha

>A-RRAUW!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7JE8nEyoYI

>>127384564
>>her face when we're in my room and I put on Shostakovich's 24 Preludes and Fugues, Op. 87

now playing

start of R. Strauss: An Alpine Symphony, Op. 64, TrV 233
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEv1I3sL5pc&list=OLAK5uy_m2sc2ozAKHXhMoSM6lso5SXGJkhO3wNsg&index=1

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_m2sc2ozAKHXhMoSM6lso5SXGJkhO3wNsg

>Written between 1911 and 1915, the Alpine Symphony was Strauss's last tone poem. Originally inspired by his participation in a real mountaineering expedition in his youth, during which the party lost its way on the ascent and was overtaken by a thunderstorm on the descent, it is perhaps the ultimate example of musical tone-painting. Its 22 connected sections depict not only the elements, the sights and sounds of nature, the rising and setting of the sun, but also the climbers' experiences and responses: the struggle through thickets, the fear at being lost, the exultation of reaching the summit. Using his unparalleled skill in exploiting and combining instrumental colors and timbres, Strauss employs an enormous orchestra, including an organ and a wind-and-storm machine, to paint a graphic, kaleidoscopic picture of nature. Beyond such obvious effects as pizzicati for raindrops, harps for a waterfall, woodwinds for bird calls, and timpani crashes for thunder, he magically evokes mist and rain, the peaceful flowering meadows, the icy glacier, even a "vision" of the Spirit of the Mountain. An even greater miracle is that, without a real symphonic structure, he succeeds in connecting these 22 contrasting, disparate sections and melding them into a coherent whole. He achieves the former tonally with incomparable organic modulations and the latter thematically with his characteristic soaring, ecstatic melodies so reminiscent of his great operatic soprano parts. The playing is most excellent; the soloists are wonderful, individual instruments and sections stand out yet blend into a seamless, multi-colored tapestry. --Edith Eisler

and another,
>Widely regarded internationally as best currently available performance.
we'll see

>>127385230
My fave remains Previn w/ the Wiener Philharmoniker
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUWWyhQdqKw

>>127385262
That one is definitely among the best options available. Really can't go wrong with Previn for anything.

Mozart was a musical genius who churned out masterpieces like a machine, but his obsession with scatological humor and juvenile antics suggests he was the 18th-century equivalent of a frat bro with a harpsichord. His talent was undeniable—symphonies, operas, and chamber music that still slap harder than most modern compositions—but the dude was basically a prodigy man-child who’d probably be canceled today for his crude letters and questionable social etiquette.

>>127385542
All Mozart sounds the same. His music does slap harxsr than ANY modern music, that's out of the question, but it is indeed overrated compared to the romantics. Your post is a further proof that Mozart is overrated.

>>127385542
All Mozart sounds the same. His music does slap harder than ANY modern music, that's unquestionable, but it is indeed overrated compared to the romantics. Your post is a further proof that Mozart is overrated.

>>127385567
>>127385573
fptmiu

>>127385582
fptmio

>>127385542
>canceled
damn right preach it broter he would trigger so many snowlfakes it he would be too much of a MAN for the feminist pussifed media nowadays to handle nowadays am I right rother

>>127385573
>all Mozart sounds the same
>"slaps"
>"Mozart is overrated"
>"Romantics are better than Mozart"
I know for a FACT that you like anime music

>>127385597
fptmiu

>>127385614
>anime music
Ew

Tchaikovsky

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlQrG1H5DBw&list=OLAK5uy_lZ2O6yG6Vvmwq5Opg0pprvTXMQ-E3wIWo&index=4

vgh...

>>127385689
maho more like my whore

>>127386079
that would be MY whore

>>127386399
yeah, that's what I said: MY whore

>>127385542
/classical/ is for the salieris.

>>127386399
>no tits
That’s a boy, dude.

>>127386421
>lel mozart vs salieri lmao
go back to /tv/ you jewliwood-pilled cuckmaxxer zidiot, you zidiot zitfaced zika-baby-brained zidiot

>>127385613
The Maga hat is the phrygian cap of the 21st century.

>>127386436
>there are no women on earth, nor have there ever been in the history of the human race, with little to no breasts
flat is justice, we used to say

>>127386436
weird i'm a man and i have way bigger tits

>>127386445
Go sniff your own farts you talentless pseud.

>>127386449
speak on that
>>127386459
lol this loser doesn't sniff his own farts lmao

>>127386436
>That’s a boy, dude.
Y-you don't mean that!

>>127386456
>tranime

>>127386445
the fucked up part is that the Amadeus film was actually 100% historically accurate unlike most hollywood shite, of course they covered it up, and made a movie to make it look like fiction.

>>127386504
They travelled back in time and had an actor pretend to be a russian writer named Pushkin and establish a career that would change russian literature forever in order to make a jewliwood film seem less accurate. Of course.

>>127386499
>homosexuality

>>127386525
yeah i almost forgot, they also left out the fact that salieri belonged to a J*wish cult that made him kill Moe's Art

>>127386436
Would think /classical/ prefers lithe women

>>127386556
Hey sure.

>>127386564
/classical/ prefers men by and large, actually

>>127386564
i think /classical/ likes little girls

>>127386554
I prefer real life women, my dude
>>127386564
Queer general

>>127386595
little boys*

>>127386610
>real life women
You don't even know what they look like, mr "no boob equal no women hrurr"

>>127386583
I think this was confirmed last thread. /classical/ is homosexual

>>127386624
You should try leaving Asia.

>>127386436
my sister has smaller tits than that character.

>>127386610
You prefer big fat sweaty hairy men with big fat sweaty hairy moobs, we all know this

>>127386642
She is Indian

>>127386647
ew, no

>>127386639
>>127386643
it is known

>>127386399
It’s not just the lack of breasts. The face is masculine.

>>127386647
Are you under the apprehension that indians are famously flat chested?

Nice discussion guys. Keep it up.
>Schumann: excess shitposts
>Liszt: me

>>127386678
>I see nothing but young boys when presented with erotic imagery
Stop projecting your filthy desires onto my whore

>>127386643
Have you tried not being a pederast?

>>127386693
Stop projecting, period

>>127386701
>>127386692
Your whore looks like a boy in drag…

>>127386686
lol what the hell was that painting inspired by

>>127386681
Their women tend to be flat chested. Stop pretending you have never seen an Indian, saar.

>>127386707
See a therapist before you actually rape a child

>>127386710
I assume it's AI

>>127386723
Now who is projecting?

>>127386721
Could've literally chosen any other kind of asian and you'd be 100% correct beyond argument. Strange days we're having.
>>127386733
You. Can't you read, pedo?

>>127386741
> In India, the most common bra sizes tend to be in the A and B cup ranges. While bra sizes vary, these are frequently observed among Indian women.
> A and B cup ranges

>>127386755
Quick google search shows that on average smallest breasts worldwide are to be found in SE asia

Tried listening to Smetana's orchestral work for the first time. I found it really boring except for the first, second, and fourth movements of Ma vlast.

>>127386564
>fell for the small titty aristocrat meme
I bet you have subscribed to Refined Taste Magazine!

>>127386755
u sure know a lot about indians, saar
>>127386768
get better soon

>>127386762
Moving the goalposts. The dispute wasn’t about who had the smallest tits in the world, but rather whether Indian women tend to have small tits. They do.

anyway, see you all in the next thread

>take 2 hour nap
>oh nice, 50 new posts on /classical/, let's see what cool discussion about music there is to read
>it's all /b/-tier nonsense
sad

>>127386686
>>When he finished playing, Liszt gave an after-dinner speech, declaring that new trails were being blazed for music everywhere, and even that which a few years before had evoked the admiration of the world was already Rococo. He tactlessly praised the music of Meyerbeer at the recently-deceased Mendelssohn's expense, heedless of Schumann's well-known aversion to Meyerbeer's music and his esteem for his departed friend. Schumann flew into a rage, seizing Liszt by the shoulder and shouting: "And Mendelssohn? Is he also Rococo? Meyerbeer is a runt compared to Mendelssohn, who was an artist who made an effect, not only in Leipzig, but throughout the entire world, and Liszt should hold his tongue." After more similar abuse, Schumann retreated to his bedroom. Liszt made an attempt to downplay the event, but eventually gave up and left the party, saying to Clara as he departed “Tell your husband that there is only one man from whom I would so calmly accept words such has he has just said to me." Liszt drove home with Wagner in a state of "amused embarrassment."

>>127386768
I'd say try another recording but yeah, while I enjoy it, it's not essential music, and that's all a reasonable response. Why do you think those Ma Vlast movements are so often performed in isolation? That almost never bodes well for the rest of the work.

>>127386789
>Moving the goalposts
I'm not presenting an argument, schizo

>>127386710
whoops, I meant to quote your post with that anecdote >>127386794
but yes, it's an AI pic -- I just hope it's not an AI story o_o

>>127386794
>it's not essential music, and that's all a reasonable response
get help

>>127386794
>Meyerbeer is a runt compared to Mendelssohn, who was an artist who made an effect, not only in Leipzig, but throughout the entire world, and Liszt should hold his tongue
he was right tho

Schumann

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlvxqyJRFIA&list=OLAK5uy_mVYQ4uhXYtRtI15jq2yINIMzKp2qPYmqM&index=12

>>127386802
Hey, I personally like it, but I can understand how someone else would think it's all kinda generic, indistinguishable, and uninteresting.

holy shit this movement of Also sprach Zarathustra
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-vvdwBOliw&list=OLAK5uy_mEjLlGm8aGFFr6v0aCDXbi7HWBVACbKww&index=41

>>127386818
It gave me the impression of going nowhere despite a lot of indistinct, agitated movement. The image is a chained dog intermittently chasing after passers-by to no avail and panting heavily.

>>127386872
Well, like I always say, give at least another recording or two a try before writing off a work, because often times it's the performance that's the issue.

>>127385542
>but his obsession with scatological humor and juvenile antics suggests he was the 18th-century equivalent of a frat bro with a harpsichord.
Lel what an image

>>127386794
>never calls out the mahoo poster

>>127386872
But enough about the sisterposter

>>127386794
Funny because Wagner hated Meyerbeer and thought Mendelssohn was a much better composer. I never understood Liszt's love for Meyerbeer.

>>127386925
They talk about classical all the time. They're the general's most prolific Mozart poster, for example.

>>127378577
>Post-Opera

The fuck is that?

>>127386936
No one even knows who that is anymore. You're mocking a ghost.

>>127386941
You are the same person, thoughbeit.

>>127386955
thank you schizo sister

>>127386963
and there it is

now playing

Rachmaninoff: The Bells, Op. 35: I. Allegro ma non tanto (The Silver Sleigh Bells) (Arr. for Piano by Trifonov)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thCOvMnJHNw&list=OLAK5uy_k5IHXbzw4Z6lbtM1HKMT02914dSgSJ35s&index=2

start of Rachmaninoff: Piano Concerto No. 1 in F-Sharp Minor, Op. 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGYrqxg3M8g&list=OLAK5uy_k5IHXbzw4Z6lbtM1HKMT02914dSgSJ35s&index=3

Rachmaninoff: Vocalise, Op. 34, No. 14 (Arr. for Piano by Trifonov)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5vHtrqJTCo&list=OLAK5uy_k5IHXbzw4Z6lbtM1HKMT02914dSgSJ35s&index=6

start of Rachmaninoff: Piano Concerto No. 3 in D Minor, Op. 30
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOPON0RqBc8&list=OLAK5uy_k5IHXbzw4Z6lbtM1HKMT02914dSgSJ35s&index=6

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_k5IHXbzw4Z6lbtM1HKMT02914dSgSJ35s

>>127386710
On June 9, 1848, Liszt arrived unexpectedly at the Schumanns’ home in Dresden. As they had not seen one another in nearly seven years, [2] Liszt was received with delight, though with no little consternation when he expressed his wish to hear some of Schumann’s chamber music later that evening. While Robert took Liszt to visit Wagner, Clara had but a few hours to gather the musicians and guests [3] for the evening’s festivities. “It was difficult to get four other artists to come at such short notice,” she later told Edward Speyer, “but I took a cab and drove about until I was fortunate enough to succeed in my mission.” [4] Liszt, for his part, made other plans for the early part of the evening, writing to Georg von Seydlitz: “Unfortunately I will only be able to spend a few moments with you, since I have asked Schumann to show me his new trio. [5] The Schumanns seem to me to be people who go to bed early, and so I will be obliged to arrive at your place at 8:00 o’clock.” [6]

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The party started badly, with the guest of honor nowhere to be seen. After more than an hour of waiting, the disappointed guests began to make music without him. As they reached the last page of Beethoven’s D Major trio (“Ghost”), Liszt “stormed in the door,” two hours late. He seemed to enjoy the ensuing performance of Schumann’s trio, but his host’s quintet he belittled as too “Leipzigerisch.” “No, no, my dear Schumann, this is not the real thing,” he is reported to have said. “It is only Kapellmeister music.” [7] After dinner, Liszt sat down to play, in Clara’s words, “so disgracefully badly […] that I was really ashamed to have to stand there and listen, and not to be able to leave the room immediately, as Bendemann did.” [8] When he finished playing, Liszt gave an after-dinner speech, declaring that new trails were being blazed for music everywhere, and even that which a few years before had evoked the admiration of the world was already Rococo. [9] He tactlessly praised the music of Meyerbeer at the recently-deceased Mendelssohn’s expense, heedless of Schumann’s well-known aversion to Meyerbeer’s music and his esteem for his departed friend. Schumann flew into a rage, seizing Liszt by the shoulder and shouting: “And Mendelssohn? Is he also Rococo? Meyerbeer is a runt compared to Mendelssohn, who was an artist who made an effect, not only in Leipzig, but throughout the entire world, and Liszt should hold his tongue.” [10]

>>127386710
After more similar abuse, Schumann retreated to his bedroom. Liszt made an attempt to downplay the event, but eventually gave up and left the party, saying to Clara as he departed “Tell your husband that there is only one man from whom I would so calmly accept words such has he has just said to me.” [11] Liszt drove home with Wagner in a state of “amused embarrassment.” Wagner wrote: “I have seldom seen Liszt so boisterously cheerful as on this night, in which, clothed only in a thin tailcoat against the severe cold, he alternately accompanied me and concertmaster Schubert home.”

I have that mood which occasionally strikes to try opera again. Hmm, something by Verdi, Strauss, or Wagner, decisions, decisions. I'll probably end up turning it off after thirty minutes as usual but it's worth a shot.

Make the next thread, slave

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