Thread 127387271

Bach Edition

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IX9aBoK5vo&list=OLAK5uy_l0puntEITfcyQ6yCMe5SwsDQ1JQsdp5gA&index=2

This thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.

>How do I get into classical?
This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:
https://rentry.org/classicalgen

Previous: >>127376493

Liszt's Transcendental Etudes kinda suck

maho more like my whore

Bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvOu6CQ6hQI

>>127387287
>My tranime
This thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition

>>127387271 (OP)
good baking slave

>>127387297
please for the love of GOD I BEG YOU STOP RAPING CHILDREN

>>127387312
please stop going off topic

I don't think people under 25 should be here honestly. You can tell there are some really young people here from the way they write and what they find funny

Listening to Schubert's Quintet tonight.

>>127387376
Most of us here are actually in our mid-30s. The idea that there is a noticeably amount of too-young people here is frankly optimistic.

>>127387388
cool
don't forget to clap loudly between movements

>>127387413
and cough, never forget to cough

is there a Bruckner 8 recording that manages to make the first two movements as "weighty" as the last two?
>>127387388
amazing piece. probably his best chamber work.

>>127387424
Well no because they're about half as long

>>127387405
Uncs don’t watch anime

>>127387448
they watched good anime until that stopped being made

>>127387448
>Uncs
I don't know what that means, zoomer

>>127387424
Sure. Plenty. Celibidache's for example.

>>127387424
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBP54gyjcVQ

Chopin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMc9PILMH1s&list=OLAK5uy_mbFTWaJkboN5ubnC8oxLi-Re30mNoETQ8&index=19

>>127387467
>1887 edition

>>127387544
yeah?

>>127387458
One day Zoomers will replace you Janny

>>127387560
the first movement's finale in the 1887 version sounds like shit

>>127387639
you're entitled to your opinion

Mozart was fun. He didn’t spend his days huffing his own farts while reading music reviewa.

>>127387671
reviews

>>127387678
rear views

>>127387671
Yeah, he just spent all day huffing his farts.

>>127387611
>Janny
ok schizo

Don’t be a Salieri; be a Mozart.

>>127387709
You forgot the suffix

>>127387716
This chat is full of Salieri pedants who write 20,000-word emails about continental philosophy (Bullshit) to Dave Hurwitz.

>>127387728
the what
>>127387756
what

who all in this general rn

>Ives and after
Jewish music

oh god not again

>>127387803
what's going on anon

Mozart
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzj2yBz7_VU

>>127387639
speak on that

BAB
A
B

DAILY REMINDER

IAA
A
A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyWOIKCtjiw&list=RDKyWOIKCtjiw&start_radio=1 [Embed]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLugJIWdpCM&list=RDtLugJIWdpCM&start_radio=1 [Embed]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-utT-BD0obk&list=RD-utT-BD0obk&start_radio=1 [Embed]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxx7Stpx7bU&list=RDcxx7Stpx7bU&start_radio=1 [Embed]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCoOqsxLxSo&list=RDkCoOqsxLxSo&start_radio=1 [Embed]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sgjwiadze1w&list=RDSgjwiadze1w&start_radio=1 [Embed]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQ44z_ZqzXk&list=RDOQ44z_ZqzXk&start_radio=1 [Embed]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGyBRbbHpno&list=RDpGyBRbbHpno&start_radio=1 [Embed]

>>127387813
We need to convince blonde American sorority girls to start singing like that.

>>127387846
>DAILY REMINDER
of what

>>127387846
>[Embed] [Embed]

>>127387960
Do not embed, saar!

>>127387846
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyWOIKCtjiw&list=RDKyWOIKCtjiw&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed]
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLugJIWdpCM&list=RDtLugJIWdpCM&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed]
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-utT-BD0obk&list=RD-utT-BD0obk&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed]
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxx7Stpx7bU&list=RDcxx7Stpx7bU&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed]
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCoOqsxLxSo&list=RDkCoOqsxLxSo&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed]
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sgjwiadze1w&list=RDSgjwiadze1w&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed]
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQ44z_ZqzXk&list=RDOQ44z_ZqzXk&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed]
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGyBRbbHpno&list=RDpGyBRbbHpno&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed]
stop spamming links

best Mozart sonata cycle?
no women, jews, gypsies, trannies, blacks, middle easterners, mexicans, americans, etc.

>>127388036
Just ask for the best Mozart sonata cycle

>>127388100
okay, What is the best Mozart sonata cycle?

>>127388109
Do you do anything besides consume and rank products?

>>127388132
when did i rank anything?

>>127388024
>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyWOIKCtjiw&list=RDKyWOIKCtjiw&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]
>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLugJIWdpCM&list=RDtLugJIWdpCM&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]
>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-utT-BD0obk&list=RD-utT-BD0obk&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]
>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxx7Stpx7bU&list=RDcxx7Stpx7bU&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]
>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCoOqsxLxSo&list=RDkCoOqsxLxSo&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]
>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sgjwiadze1w&list=RDSgjwiadze1w&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]
>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQ44z_ZqzXk&list=RDOQ44z_ZqzXk&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]

Make me

>>127388036
Gieseking maybe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wb7D50WEDfg&list=PLfJndz0utgOOzfrwa6F0FGFYZ5m2SDOOM&index=30

>>127388162
make you stop sucking cocks? only you can do that, anon.

>>127388136
You asked me to rank Mozart sonata cycles. Do you discuss anything other than “What is the best X?”
Just consume album and get excited for the next album…

>>127387424
Giulini's, Thielemann's Dresden 8th

>>127388185
but, i asked one question

>>127388181
>Mozart/Chopin listener
>bringing up cock sucking out of nowhere.

Like c(l)ockwork

>>127388217
What is the best flavored fart to huff while reading Refined Taste Magazine?

>>127388241
mine, of course!

>>127388241
don't know, i don't do either of those things

>>127388223
do not lump Mozart and Chopin fans together

>>127388278
yeah Chopin fans are straight

Some of the oldest guides of internet etiquette state: Don't feed the trolls, and don't give attention whores attention. Ask yourself: Why is this so hard for you?

why do you hate purcell?

>>127388266
>>127388273
>Ask one person a question
>receive two answers
They both can’t be true. So I will assume that the first: >>127388266 was genuine

Dave Hurwitz is a talentless hack

>>127388334
tune in at 11 when we'll tell you the sun is hot

>>127388314
Keep talking that sass, fart sniffer!

>>127388341
that would be a lie, the sun is an LED spotlight

Mozart
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HN1Gg4wyOI

>>127388223
>If you listen to X then you are Y
Why do pseuds find this style of argument so compelling?

I don't know which triggers my autism more: recordings which pair Vaughan Williams' 6th and 8th or the releases which properly pair the 4th and 6th, but place the 6th first!! madness

>>127388386
Sounds more like OCD

>>127388398
Well, whichever. OCD seems more aesthetic issues. These are issues of substance. The 4th and 6th are a natural coupling, and always in that order, else you're messing with the art.

>>127388398
watch less tv

>>127388417
>OCD seems more aesthetic issues. These are issues of substance.
see >>127388423

>>127388434
I was just trying to incorporate their reply. In any case, it's the point of my post.

>Gothic architecture was invented by the Goths
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcRTtQ9pjw4

>>127388464
not sure what this has to do with /classical/, maybe try >>>/trash/?

>>127388464
No? I was invented by french catholics long after goths were no longer a thing, and only named "gothic" post-hoc as a derogatory term

>>127388471
>I was invented by french catholics
based structuralist anon

>>127388480
>structuralist
you gotta

>>127388471
France was conquered by the Franks, who were related to the Goths.

Scandza is the womb of nations.

>>127388487
France wasn't "conquered" by the franks. By the time France became a thing both franks and romans didn't exist anymore (byzantine empire notwithstanding)

>Twin Peaks was not just about cherry pie and black, hot coffee. Nor is music of Bach. There is no apparent need for reduction. WTC can be a caleidoscopian array of black and white, 50 shades of grey, sadness, joy, hope and despair etc - at piano.

>With Gieseking, we are talking of reduction. He plays like after Nurnberg interrogations, shy to make JSB shining like a gem of German culture. Bach did not vote for Hitler. If connected with politics, he had made his point on questions of hell and heaven. His point was loud and clear: choose life.

lol what!?

also, Walter Gieseking actually good, especially his Debussy, or just a boomer meme like Horenstein?

>>127388517
not sure what this has to do with /classical/, maybe try >>>/tv/?

>>127388487
French =/= frankish

>>127388511
>The region known as France did not exist in the 5th century.

>>127388526
I'm asking about this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxRad-b3BQY&list=OLAK5uy_mXoeLcgiS2HCcI-4rrD7M4oMNZI9cYFso&index=1

>>127388558
Who are you quoting?

>>127388564
> By the time France became a thing both franks and romans didn't exist anymore
> The region known as France did not exist in the 5th century.

>>127388575
yeah?

>>127388575
What's confusing you?

>>127388544
The French were germanic before the 20th century (Spanish Civil War). They were generally Blond and blue eyed. The swarthy mediterranean ‘french’ are actually spaniards and Italians.

>>127388602
You seem to be confusing individual phenotypes with ethnicity as a whole. Have you never seen a blue eyed, blonde slav? Celt? And latins are more than just "mediterranean". Anyway, this is off topic and you're being deliberately obtuse.

>>127388617
Charlemagne was a German, bot a Slav, you ignoramus.

>>127388633
not

great thread so far everyone good job

>>127388647
Do you feel control slipping?

>>127388617
>Millions of Germanic people migrated into the roman empire
>Oy vey, they just disappeared goy

>>127388417
>OCD seems more aesthetic issues
kek no

>TIL the cello suites were intended for clavichord
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPJYMQCqorY

which one is the Scriabin fan?

>>127389199
my wife Sxarp

>>127388517
>Walter Gieseking actually good, especially his Debussy, or just a boomer meme like Horenstein?
you should be able to determine this yourself

>>127389285
I mean yeah I'm gonna listen to it either way. I say and ask those kinds of things primarily to create discussion, maybe get some interesting insights into Gieseking's style, virtues, and deficiencies

Listen to Hindemith

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gzw2v5rtoPU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHo8igW6qb8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iXUeUDEWvo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAAmPNV_4B4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYUZccKkemo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRLf-0QWcXY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOIDixKWk5E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGsSeAhVMTA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92tVdEKd6hg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsSd6P3J_aM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttFjGOfqYgQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KA8BuCVBOW0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kW_EfiES8_A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGlaCmMmTEI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3Yx8DCbH-A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgLkNM1NUkY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDtEZp26AIY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2XkjhWT90Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-bEs_6Y7AA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZkX9huvKw0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6wK7BV0su4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpgYJhpcL8s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7c8SFS9Lxk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEDpcdx5ppk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qS--K3dPHzY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vx9itohCcBk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6vxqnnEwiE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZP7raZ9cNw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3LbnolRwik
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ldG_sp5Be4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROdNmZXPQhw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6p3NQ1_wvc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPgmUji_bBM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vnuHYRMiv4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HV1Tw6AvCI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoIPU5bY0kU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84Sn-KzsV94
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-pLs_RwP0c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDRMkYW7lFE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWcXVMheFh0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_YrDOH9ECg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-EI9G9l_aY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhyQH8inhH0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGgW0wF96Ec
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Y33yE8OBmY

Wow, alright then

>>127388385
Never met a Mozart lover who didn't swallow swords

Period accurate Mozart

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DBuyKiktfXA&pp=ygUwQ2hyaXN0b3BoZXIgaG9nd29vZCBtb3phcnQgaG9ybiBjb25jZXJ0byBhbGxlZ3Jv

I like this a lot.

>>127389775
Sounds like sword swallower music, it needs more Ives and Bach

>>127389785
I have no idea what that means but the horn is a lot clearer against the strings than in the modern version with heavy tubas and stuff. I like it a bit.

>how it feels to listen to Bach and Before, Ives and after
>how it feels to listen to platonically moral music
>how it feels to listen to French Baroque music of Louis XIV

>>127389785
Ives looks part Jewish

>>127389831
>>127388314

>>127389775
Glad you like it but HIP Mozart/classical era music will never not sound stodgy and too old-fashioned to me, like more of a historical artifact than an appreciable aesthetic object. But that's just me.

>>127389775
not bad

>>127389990
>average Moshart/Chopin listener vs Bach/before and Ives/After listener

Start listening to Debussy right before and as you go to bed and your life will begin to improve immensely.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dE413i1eAso

COMFY
O
M
F
Y

>>127390059
One of the greatest representatives of BAB/IAA Tradition, I can only think of Ravel, Scriabin, Ives or Bartok besting him or equaling him to some degree but only Bach is truly better the Monsieur

>>127390083
Listening to Bartok before and as one goes to bed, now that would be a trip, especially his string quartets. Haunting, emotionally searing nightmares I suspect.

the shtick is boring, its possibilites have been exhausted, and you're no longer getting any joy or fulfilment from it. You force yourself to go along with a "joke's on them I was only pretending"-tier persona that no one can be bothered with in the hopes that in the long run the returns won't be diminished. They will. They already are.

>>127390017
You are entitled to your dumbass opinion.

>>127390142
Bartok is based, simple as

>>127390142
>listening to good music before bed would give me nightmares
Are you so psychically delicate?

>>127390436
No, Bartok's string quartets are just that powerful.

>>127390448
I listen to Bartók a lot, sometimes during sleep, and the only nightmares I get are stress dreams about work and dreams about my mother dying (she did die, last year: That's when the nightmares started), so I don't know what to tell you, I think any music that you like is not really bound to give you nightmares unless you're psychically delicate. Like a baby.

Plöner Musiktag Nº1 - Morgenmusik Von Turm Zu Blasen >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fanfare for the Common Man
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bTDMr8w6qE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvP4ltKYWyU

Who would win, Team France or Team Russia?
Point Guard
>Ravel vs Tchaikovsky
Shooting Guard
>Debussy vs Prokofiev
Power Forward
>Saint-Saens vs Khachaturian
Small Forward
>Faure vs Stravinsky
Centre
>Berlioz vs Rimsky-Korsakov
Bench
>Offenbach, Bizet, Satie, Gounod
>Shostakovich, Rachmaninoff, Borodin, Mussorgsky

>>127390652
no one cares; go play fantasy football

>>127390524
The former definitely sounds more momentous and solemn, melancholic even- but the other has that epic feel like an army being called to arms

>>127390652
>>Ravel vs Tchaikovsky
Tchaikovsky

>>Debussy vs Prokofiev
Debussy

>>Saint-Saens vs Khachaturian
Saint-Saens

>>Faure vs Stravinsky
Faure

>>Berlioz vs Rimsky-Korsakov
Rimsky-Korsakov

>>Offenbach, Bizet, Satie, Gounod
>>Shostakovich, Rachmaninoff, Borodin, Mussorgsky
Russia

>>127390710
This, except Prokofiev instead of Debussy

Bach on the Piano? Not on my watch, kid.

>>127391470
what are you gonna do about it?

>>127387424
>probably his best chamber work.
Quartets 14, 15, trio no.2 >>> everything else.

>>127391791
Build a gorilla nest

>>127391791
>teleports behind you

>>127388314
some people are so lonely that if they don't feed the trolls they will pretty much never interact with anyone

>>127391893
You'll grow up someday

>>127392304
Enlighten me, what are his better chamber works? Maybe I missed something.

Can someone please rank all the rankings of Bruckner 8 performances? I don’t know who to believe…

>>127392437
Believe in your own preferences and make your own decision on what the best performances are

Mozart

https://youtu.be/m1j9A5aplVQ

>>127392447
But I haven’t ranked the Bruckner 8 performances. A ranking is equivalent to a preference, so I don’t have a preference…

>>127392476
In no possible world is that a girl.

>>127392437
Wand/NDR > Jenkem/Dresden > Karajan > the rest

>>127392437
>Can someone please rank all the rankings of Bruckner 8 performances?
god-tier: mine
top-tier: >>127392699
shit-tier: everyone else

>>127387271 (OP)
Blackmore used to noodle around with prelude 1

>>127392699
He said best, not worst

>>127392793
feel free to post your own ranking

>>127392437
T1: Karajan, Maazel/BPO, Giulini
T2: Bohm, Thielemann/Dresden, Celibidache, Blomstedt
T3: Barenboim, Skrowaczewski, Tennstedt, Jochum

I'm probably forgetting something, and my tastes and preferences are subject to change over time

>>127392851
Yikes

>>127392437
>>127392851
Oh forgot Jansons in T3 and Wand probably in T2.

>>127392709
Thanks, brother

>>127392851
Karajan wins again

>>127393063
Karajan's Bruckner is so good there are other immensely talented and distinguished conductors who refrained from performing Bruckner because they didn't think they could do any better, that there was nothing else to say (Bernstein and Levine).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asJf3KmAg08
>@IvanHernandez-gx4rt 6 years ago
>Herbert Von Karajan was the highest Priest of Bruckner's cult. An absolutely enormous conductor of Bruckner's music. Amen!
O_o

>>127393107
> @stuphar8922 6 years ago
>Anton Bruckner had divine inspiration. His symphonies are gifts of God to humanity. Words fall miserably short
>@Jivanmuktishu (SAAR) 5 years ago
>I would rather say they're gifts of Anton Bruckner, not your Holy Floodmaker nor my Sarasvatii. He, Anton Bruckner, in his middle age began to create these Symphonies. He imagined each part in these complex scores, and wrote them down with a composer's pen, dipping it in an inwell after every line.
XD. So deep, Saar!

Daily reminder that Karajan couldn't even get the initial rhythm of the finale of Bruckner's 8th symphony right

Daily reminder that Karajan adopted some of the most tasteless inauthentic instrumentation retouches in Bruckner, including the cheesy violin octave doubling during the 4th's first movement's first tutti

Daily reminder that Karajan frequently ignored Bruckner's articulation markings, including the essential differentiation between tenuto and non-tenuto phrasing in the brass, depriving the music of its rhythmic flow

>>127393170
>caring about fidelity to the explicit instructions of a composer who himself couldn't make up his mind
topkekkle

He'd probably thank Karajan for the improvements.

>>127393188
Bruckner spent a lot of time revising, but he was quite confident in his final editions and especially the versions he submitted to the Imperial Library.
>improvements
A mechanical molto tenuto fetish isn't an improvement.

>>127392437
>>127392699
>>127392851
>>127392948
>No Szell
My only issue is that the adagio is a bit too slow for my liking. I prefer Jochum's on that front. All the other movements, especially the final movement, are absolute perfection. Honestly confused why that recording isn't more popular

Bruckner 8
Tier 1: Furtwangler/Berlin: https://youtu.be/i2dse3HGSI0?si=4wZJVDUagm0W03uq
Tier 2: Wand/NDR: https://youtu.be/ByB6NzgFw-A?si=UKrESVhMoadoAVBb
Tier 3: Jochum/Dresden: https://youtu.be/2RFgFrEtNhw?si=Dln62vUZ6sAG_gsG & Karajan/Berlin: https://youtu.be/7CaiXE9-wA8?si=wVEd_3_G9Dzr1LyM

>>127393293
Too lightweight and thin. Szell's 3rd is bomb, but the 8th is only alright. But really, it's because the competition is so fierce.

can somebody PLEASE upload the Lubeck Wand Bruckner 8th so I can listen to it finally!

i am listening to his other NDR 8th right now tho

>>127393305
>Too lightweight and thin.
Guess it's a case of opinion there. I love Szell's precision and clarity. Though my opinion shifts between Jochum's and Szells quite a bit.

>>127393308
>>127393303

>>127393323
That's a YouTube video uploaded by a 3rd party. I'd prefer streaming, which it's not on, or a download.

>>127393333
i found it on soulseek

>>127393341
I haven't used that since I was a rockist a decade ago

>>127393345
that's the only place i've found it, it's not even on rutracker.

>>127393322
>I love Szell's precision and clarity.
I prefer spirituality and magnificent, gorgeous waves of sound. Gimme color over clarity. But that's me.

What do you think about Boulez's? Doesn't get more precise and limpid than that.

>>127393345
But... why? It's not a rockist platform at all.

>>127393353
Hence my begging.

>>127393364
Because by the time I started to get back into music listening with classical, streaming was more than adequate and I didn't care about building a digital library anymore, especially since my old 3k+ albums one was destroyed. I only download stuff now that's not available on streaming, that is posted on here or I find on RT.

>>127393345
it's also on Boxset.me but i've never used that site, but i think i've seen reuploads from it on RT

>>127393303
You prefer the Karajan/BPO 8th over his VPO one?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfTHMMdqM-Q

I should revisit his EMI 8th soon too.

>>127393362
>I prefer spirituality and magnificent,
I think Szell's performance captures that perfectly fine. A good recording is a balance of both, too bombastic and you muddy up what was written
>What do you think about Boulez's?
I have to admit that I have not yet listened to his recording. I shall in due time

>>127393394
i haven't listened to that one, i have the boxset, i've always assumed the Berlin one was the widely preferred one.

>>127393345
>rockist
Wow I haven't seen that word in years

>>127393407
i haven't seen that word since i was a rockist

the fuck is a rockist? is that like being racist?

>>127393362
>Doesn't get more precise and limpid than that.
Boulez's recording isn't particularly precise and is quite lax on many details and rhythmic articulation (attention to meter) especially.
>>127393406
Karajan's Bruckner is mid but the Vienna 8th is his best one.

>>127393406
They're both excellent but the VPO one, his final recording (performance?) before his death, is the "holy shit, touch of God, best 8th ever" one.

>>127393303
based Furtwänglerer

these are great runtimes. why would you want a performance faster than this?

>>127393451
Because I want a performance that respects the intentions of Bruckner's composition rather than a legato laden sludge fest only good for sleepy time

>>127393477
performers, musicians, and conductors are what take classical pieces to the next level

>>127393520
I'm all for idiosyncrasies in performance provide that they work well with the composer's intended vision or improve upon it, but if you're up against a genius like Bruckner you better be at or above his level if you wish to be so arrogant as to improve upon composition. Wand is no such genius.

>>127393532
You don't need a genius to improve on a genius' work. Editors at literature publishing houses aren't geniuses. Film editors aren't geniuses. But they are essential and improve the work. Same with conductors and muscians.

Anyway, I'm just sayin'. To each their own.

Shlomo Mintz's Bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hx3aG3s7W1E&list=OLAK5uy_kD9uUDwcsPZzBv8P96uXP1l_Y7LLQLd-I&index=22

>Some performers and their recording teams go to great trouble to try to present perfection: a young Shlomo Mintz told me in an interview that for his 1984 DG recording, he did more than 2,000 takes.

;o

confession: I really enjoy Bruckner's symphonies but I don't understand the structural architecture of any of them

favorite Dvorak 7 recordings?
for me it's Dohnanyi.

>>127393719
There's so many great ones, but these days I really think the Belohlavek/Czech Phil set sweeps the board.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCyvLzq-OQU&list=OLAK5uy_kSK2NFPnxuKtS48iBHnBiar7DGNJkt-wM&index=33

That said, you really can't go wrong with Rowicki, Bernstein, Karajan, Kertesz, Giulini, Previn, Solti, Levine, Harnoncourt, the Dohnanyi one you mentioned, or any of the other popular and acclaimed recordings. Really just comes down to how you like your Dvorak to sound. More Teutonic and Brahmsian? More earthy and Czech? Rambunctious and thrilling? Sensitive and mellifluous? Sweeping and inspiring? Singing and gorgeous? Warmth or clarity? etc etc

>>127388288
speak for yourself

speaking of Dvorak 7, now playing

start of Dvorak: Symphony No. 7 in D Minor, Op. 70, B. 141 (Live)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxZltTBquA8&list=OLAK5uy_kNkqlMpzB5GHTm3uaoa7uz4EdTsfadjiY&index=1

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kNkqlMpzB5GHTm3uaoa7uz4EdTsfadjiY

This recording came out this year which caught my eye, and upon looking up reviews for it, saw one at musicwebinternational where the review states this is now their new favorite recording of the piece! I'm sold on giving it a try.

>In that aforementioned survey, I nominated two recordings as the best available of the Seventh Symphony: the London Symphony Orchestra under Witold Rowicki, recorded for Philips Classics in 1971, and the Czech Philharmonic Orchestra with Vaclav Neumann in 1972 for Supraphon. Albeit now alongside this new Haitink disc, I stand by those recommendations, with the Rowicki being an electrifying performance from a vastly underestimated cycle, whereas the Neumann also comes from a complete cycle that is distinguished by a sound-world that sadly seems long gone.[...] In any case, for me, this new Haitink release is indisputably the finest account of what is generally regarded as Dvořák’s greatest symphony in modern sound... ---- Lee Denham

now playing

start of Chopin: 12 Études, Op. 10
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUeflxPjeZc&list=OLAK5uy_nI4KgSWmsIC5yF9-JoxN41JA1Z--CfS4Y&index=28

start of Chopin: 12 Études, Op. 25
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvqhZjFMm40&list=OLAK5uy_nI4KgSWmsIC5yF9-JoxN41JA1Z--CfS4Y&index=40

start of Chopin: 24 Preludes, Op. 28
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOF9JUMOHtM&list=OLAK5uy_nI4KgSWmsIC5yF9-JoxN41JA1Z--CfS4Y&index=51

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nI4KgSWmsIC5yF9-JoxN41JA1Z--CfS4Y

>Through channeling his intelligent virtuosity toward musical ends, Murray Perahia reveals the distinctive voice of each Chopin Étude, rather than imposing a "one style fits all" aesthetic upon the music. His easy mastery of the right-hand double-note challenges of Op. 10 No. 7 and Op. 25 Nos. 6 & 8 and the taxing rotary patterns of the famous "Black Key" and "Winter Wind" études enable him to clarify their significant left-hand component. Note, too, the "Octave" étude's long-lined ebb and flow, or a sharper, more aggressive C-sharp Minor, Op. 10 No. 4, than the one Perahia recorded in the early 1990s. But his unusually brisk take on the E-flat minor (Op. 10 No. 6) trivializes the music's aching harmonic tension, and the two C Minor Études (including the "Revolutionary") are a shade inhibited compared with the unbridled bravura of the versions by György Cziffra (Philips) and Juana Zayas (Music & Arts). These quibbles, however, should not prevent piano lovers from experiencing Perahia's well-considered and superbly engineered interpretations of the oft-recorded masterpieces. --Jed Distler

if you don't like Rimsky's Scheherazade, we can't sleep together, sorry
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oQg6AAKoe4

now playing

start of Vaughan Williams: Symphony No. 3 "Pastoral Symphony"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUuJS3_PgF0&list=OLAK5uy_k973OgYNsjdxey13Z25_Nsz_SbrnKWaHw&index=10

start of Vaughan Williams: Symphony No. 4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gANg88ZbX8Y&list=OLAK5uy_k973OgYNsjdxey13Z25_Nsz_SbrnKWaHw&index=14

start of Vaughan Williams: Symphony No. 5
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-0QGCxYmgA&list=OLAK5uy_k973OgYNsjdxey13Z25_Nsz_SbrnKWaHw&index=18

start of Vaughan Williams: Symphony No. 6
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngyhiCPTRVM&list=OLAK5uy_k973OgYNsjdxey13Z25_Nsz_SbrnKWaHw&index=21

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_k973OgYNsjdxey13Z25_Nsz_SbrnKWaHw

It looks like the 7th in this cycle contains the exposition interludes, so I'll most likely skip it as usual. Weak.

>>127394439
RVW lookin' cute there
>feelin' cute, might fuck around and compose a symphony, haha :3

Why is Katsaris such an underrated pianist? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRnt3l72m3g&list=RDIRnt3l72m3g&start_radio=1

>>127394402
If I do, then we can sleep together? :3

>>127393548
Not all editors improve the work. And this is not really an apples to apples comparison anyhow. Ignoring the composer's intentions is selectively fine, but once you start actively making the original work worse, that's where I draw the line.

>>127394402
anything else like Scheherazade?

>>127394708
What do you like about him?

back on my finnishit

>>127394936
He's a virtuoso that seems able to play any difficult piece, a genius improviser (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s32O5ubhJKc&list=RDs32O5ubhJKc&start_radio=1), his interpretation of the Chopin op. 64 no. 2 that i posted earlier is so well thought, being able to emphasize on inner voices that weren't originally intended by the composer... I mean who does that in 2025??

Angelich's Bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcZwVJHZ_0Y&list=OLAK5uy_mntqh85leTLC3JHUgb5w5pJ42KpFg1BCI&index=26

>Bach isn't the sort of repertoire that you would expect to benefit from Angelich's Lisztian pianism, but there are a surprising number of insights here that more timid pianists, let alone harpsichordists, don't quite manage. That combination of lucid, legato phrasing and confident keyboard technique deliver satisfying, and always musical results. But musical as it undoubtedly is, I would struggle to describe this recording as subtle. However, if like me you feel that there is too much subtlety in most Bach interpretation these days, Angelich might just be the man for you. - Gavin Dixon, MusicWeb International

best Bruckner 7?

>>127395090
Karajan, Giulini, Celibidache

>>127395090
>>127395102
Karajan/Vienna*, to be specific

for me? the first three movements of Bruckner 7 + the last two movements of Bruckner 8
the best symphony ever made

>>127395090
for me it's Poschner easily
no one else gets the phrasing of the slow movement's main theme quite right

>>127395254
How about first movement of the 9th, then the last two movements of the 8th, ending with the third movement/finale of the 9th.

>>127395331
>ending with an Adagio
eh if I want that I'll listen to Mahler

>>127395254
>>127395331
Or actually no, the 8th is pretty perfect as is -- so let's do first two movements of the 7th followed by the first and third movement of the 9th, or you can do the sandwich idea there: first of the 9th, first two of the 7th, then third/finale of the 9th. Now Bruckner, with this 7th+9th arrangement + the 8th, has two earth-shattering, sublime, glimpse of God masterpieces.

>>127395351
Or, y'know, the 9th -_-

>>127395372
I never end it with the adagio, I listen to one of the available completions of the 4th movement (Letocart is my favorite).

>>127395398
Hmm, fair enough.

Make it a 5 movement combination by ending with the Te Deum then :D

>>127392525
well no it's a cartoon

>>127392699
>>127392709
>>127392851
>>127392948
>>127393063
>>127393083
ummm fellas you're forgetting the best one >>127387467

>>127392525
>sees picture of woman
>immediately thinks of boys
>"uhnnn I can't stop lusting after little boys" he goes, when shown pictures of women

the best Bruckner 7 is hands down Sir Roger Norrington's

Serkin!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VV6VYQrSk9M

>>127395812
weirdass way of spelling Wand but alright

>>127396052
Wand isn't even on period instruments

>>127396061
Why should a man be on his period?

Stravinsky

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3rU5wwNcNE&list=OLAK5uy_mEHjDDvVA2SfJ4wfeJYchpgf593CoXMZo&index=19

>>127396061
>1885
>period instruments
my brother in Mazda this is basically modern music

>>127396162
>(1947 Version)
dropped, stomped, crushed, spat on, burned, shat on

>>127396197
>period instruments
why?

>>127396197
why?

>>127396210
Why should a man be on his period?

>>127396222
To keep some sense of justice and decency in this general

>ctrl+f
>Schumann
>no Schumann
Schumann.
Schumann my beloved
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xw_Y4S6EgA&list=OLAK5uy_nhmiQ7ypRtZ2XoBXTwPge4mmMKx6LKKuM&index=1

Flowering Peach

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTfV7Rx1K7Q&list=RDtTfV7Rx1K7Q&start_radio=1&ab_channel=ImmortalClassicalMusic

>>127387413
If you're going to stop playing, I should allowed to clap. If you want to insist that it's all one piece- well then treat it like one and keep playing. Once you stop it's a new piece in my opinion

>>127387388
Dope. How was it?

Alan Hovanhess Baguettes
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLGXKzRjatcchoC2Li2m74-b6NeeCBnkz6

Apparently someone thought he was a Jewish stereotype. There's also may be a couple of scams in this playlist-there are for me anyway. Just skip em

>>127396599
>There's also may be a couple of scams in this playlist
yeah I saw some Hovanhess in there, be careful y'all

>>127396305
There is some Schubert which is 50% identical

>>127396667
yup

>>127396693
retardation is so fascinating

>>127396599
at least they didn't mark him with the star like they did poor Klemperer here

>>127396706
tell me more

>>127396803
you're retarded

>>127396817
go on

Bach

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVjC3MpS7bs&list=OLAK5uy_nUYJ0oCn9Kw9kDkBYmxufx_GOfo_9aARw&index=5

>>127396832
I don't care for people who get off on abuse; go get your thrills elsewhere

can anyone help me identify this song? its a sad piano song, featured in some movie probably

https://voca.ro/13slnbg0ZPLT

>>127396226
Ask this guy

>>127396667
>>127396706
>>127396817
>>127396882

>>127396637
Schumann is not like Schubert, he's more like Chopin, Mendelssohn, Liszt and Brahms (or Brahms is like him, to be more accurate), a.k.a. real romantic. I obviously love Schubert though.

>>127396917
>t. butthurt retard who can't not spazz out the moment the score reaches a rest

>>127396955
>or Brahms is like him, to be more accurate
Brahms is like what if Schumann's music was masculine
>>127396911
darude sandstorm

>>127389410
bumping for Hindemith appreciation

>>127397005
How can music be more masculine (or feminine for that matter)

>>127397106
>he doesn't know

>>127396995
It was more of a joke kid. I thought a 'smart' guy like you could have worked that not? I guess not

>>127397157
What's a "joke kid"?

>>127397168
besides would you really call applauding "spazzing" out? Do you think the audience is having some kind of seizure when a piece ends?

>>127397123
I don't think anybody does

>>127397157
real ESL hours

>>127397106
Do you really think that?

>>127397190
at least not the famously homosexual general /classical/, that's for sure

>>127397194
Ok my guy-if you say so

>>127396911
No idea, you can't keep in time, the rhythm is unclear, melody is probably not correct. But listen to this I guess
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lUJFZv6qaY

>>127397204
>>127397207
So what's masculine and/or feminine in music, say it or leave me alone.

>>127397157
>it's a clever jape when I do it but 100% an earnest emotionally invested response when you do it because otherwise I would lose this imaginary wit competition online and I don't like that

>>127397253
>leave me alone.
Don't reply if you don't want people replying back, faggot

>>127397253
Its hard to describe other than saying it sounds "masculine" idk violent forcefull maybe, self assured. Big powerful sounds

why didn't Bach just record his own music? was he lazy?

>>127397265
I want them replying back with an answer not another shitpost. I guess your life is nothing but a shitpost, my apologies.

>>127397239
yeah I used a mouse on a shitty online piano site
youre guess is pretty close

Thankfully sound is not bound by the conceptions of ‘language’.

>>127397281
>violent forcefull maybe, self assured. Big powerful sounds
A lot of Schumann sounds like that. In fact his Florestan episodes are more violent and loud than anything Brahms ever wrote. He was embodiment of romanticism, Brahms was more laid back. Your description makes no sense, so does this entire conversation.

>>127397284
anyone?

>>127397300
I was just describing what masculine would sound like. I'm not the person saying Brahms is masculine Schuman

>>127397316
Understood.
I guess the best music has a perfect balance of both, IF your description even makes sense.

what is some sexy hot feminine music that i can fuck/beat off to?

>>127397345
Ives Concord Sonata

best recording of Messiaen Turanga Leela Symphony?

>>127397286
>P-PLEASE PAY ATTENTION TO ME ;_;
commit suicide promptly

>>127397297
But your understanding of it, and what you can think and communicate about it, are. Thought does not make language: Language makes thought.
>>127397345
Schumann

>>127397368
I don't know about "best" (always an iffy term), but the Turangalîla-Symphonie is one of my favourite symphonic works, and this is my favourite recording by far

>>127397478
Shit, I guess a link wouldn't've hurt, sorry
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBpCaBYoKIw&list=OLAK5uy_nTLp0ImP48pHIAlCvmn7WPbvh0xxuDJBE

>>127397255
You weren't joking though-it was genuine bitterness on your part

127397557
>P-PLEASE PAY ATTENTION TO ME ;_;
commit suicide promptly

La Monte Young, Terry Riley, Tony Conrad, Pauline Oliveros, Steve Reich, Hermann Nitsch, Alvin Lucier, Glenn Branca, Carl Stone, Pandir Pran Nath, Morton Subtonick, Angus MacLise, Gyorgy Ligeti, Phill Niblock, Rhys Chatham, Eliane Radigue

>>127397772
thank you RYMsister

gettin' comfy with Debussy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9c31_Uuz5k

>>127397462
No one cares anon. If you had anything meaningful to say, you would'vs said from the very beginning. All you're doing is being an annoying jerk.
Here's my last (You).

>>127393574
>2000 takes
Jewish neuroticism

>>127397905
Wtf, I was just listening to this video. You trynna spook me, glowie?

127397655
how rude

>>127396874
A most excellent recording.

>>127398457
XD

>>127396305
>Schumann's peculiar treatment of the pianoforte grates on my ear; there is too much blur; you cannot produce his pieces unless it be mit obligatem Pedal. What a relief to hear a sonata of Beethoven's! In early days I thought more would come of Schumann. His Zeitschrift was brilliant, and his pianoforte works showed great originality. There was much ferment, but also much real power, and many bits are quite unique and perfect. I think highly, too, of many of his songs, though they are not as great as Schubert's. He took pains with his declamation—no small merit a generation ago. Later on I saw a good deal of him at Dresden; but then already his head was tired, his powers on the wane. He consulted me about his text to 'Genoveva,' which he was arranging from Tieck's and Hebbel's plays, yet he would not take my advice—he seemed to fear some trick.

>>127397106
>>127397123
>he doesn't know half of classical and the composers as well are homo femme boys in dire need of some Bach and Before, Ives and After


>>127397345
Franck
Villa-Lobos
Rachmaninoff
Debussy
Ravel
Bach

>>127396874
Try this on for size
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=q7MJVkSC8l4

Stockhausen edition next or I'm not posting.

>>127398503
Bach is pure autism which is just exaggerated masculinity

>>127398529
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=Sq1pDt798vg

Commence baking the next thread mein serf

>>127398503
>>127398567
kill yourselves frog posting /pol/ trannies

new
>>127398666
>>127398666
>>127398666

>>127398674
>>>127398666
>666
i shant click on that demonic thread

>>127398670
you don’t mean that, you are just being bratty

>>127398679
kek