Thread 127398666

Buxtehude Edition

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJM58-GJ0Mo

This thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing (that means no tranime).

>How do I get into classical?
By listening to it.

Previous: >>127387271

Bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIIor0Zmb7g

>>127398666 (OP)
Finally an edition without talkboomer and tranime!

Händel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJRtFBVgwko

>For He will be like a refiner's fire

Chopin is the beginning.
Chopin is the end.
Chopin is all.

Buxtehude
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UInvZWKNv-k

>>127398781

Buxtehude is the Father
Bach is the Son
Krebs is the Holy Spirit

Buxtehude
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2crDCG0A4c

>>127398666 (OP)
>This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:
https://rentry.org/classicalgen

don't be a dick OP

Heavy Metal Buxtehude
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ktw6bYVz_U
Old nick taught Koopman how to play like that

>>127398871
OCD not autism

>>127398882
why not both? also schizophrenia.

>>127398871
KOEK check out this pettifogger

Brahms

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sls5UiBR-x8&list=OLAK5uy_nJAkoJVH6vOPKLJKkDXumz06i_yOKLN0w

>>127398892
Lots of excuses for not cleaning your room.

>>127398926
i can't touch the floor, i don't want to get aids or rabies

>>127398840
Liszt is the thesis.
Brahms is the antithesis.
Reger is the synthesis.

>>127398666 (OP)

/classical/, I can’t wait until October. Bought 2 subscriptions to local orchestras season 25/26 (and need to look into what the other 2 are offering). God, I miss live music. Went to four concerts over the entire summer (too few!) and nothing decent awaits me until almost the end of September.
Worst part – missed Dvorak 9th New World Symphony (one of my favorite symphonies) conducted by Andrés Orozco-Estrada (one of my favorite conductors) nearby.
By the way, I always wanted to ask Americans: what do you think about Czech writing one of the most American pieces of classical music one year after arriving to USA?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uR6KJL5OS54

Rubinstein

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJcklwLAIv8&list=OLAK5uy_npg_s1s-OADQXGmufBCL8Yuo_T70oiMXM&index=6

>>127399384
kill yourself, faggot. this isn't your blog.

BLESSED THREAD BY BUXTEHUDE

DAILY REMINDER

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>>127399384
what are they going to play?

>how it feels to listen to Bach and Before, Ives and after
>how it feels to listen to platonically moral music
>how it feels to listen to French Baroque music of Louis XIV

>>127399944
>how it feels to chew 5 gum

Krebs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JK0pZC2lOE

>>127399384
Very cool. Do you go solo or with someone? That's my primary hangup to attending these things. I used to go to rock/hiphop shows back in the day with friends all the time but now I'm into classical I don't have anyone to go with (and I have no friends but that's another topic).

>Andrés Orozco-Estrada (one of my favorite conductors)
I'll have to give some of their recordings a try. And yeah, damn shame to miss out on Dvorak 9

>By the way, I always wanted to ask Americans: what do you think about Czech writing one of the most American pieces of classical music one year after arriving to USA?
Nothing more quintessentially American than that.

now playing

start of Schumann: Symphony No. 2 in C Major, Op. 61
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qa3L70SJ4rw&list=OLAK5uy_lgb9JsvzwtSgK4OMIOVUFtRl6Tw3QJRtY&index=6

start of Schumann: Symphony No. 3 in E-Flat Major, Op. 97, "Rhenish"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SbZOHrrW7I&list=OLAK5uy_lgb9JsvzwtSgK4OMIOVUFtRl6Tw3QJRtY&index=10

start of Schumann: Symphony No. 4 in D Minor, Op. 120
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EfGTldj9cQ&list=OLAK5uy_lgb9JsvzwtSgK4OMIOVUFtRl6Tw3QJRtY&index=14

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lgb9JsvzwtSgK4OMIOVUFtRl6Tw3QJRtY

>>127400099
>Do you go solo or with someone? That's my primary hangup to attending these

>>127400233
Is Thielemann a good conductor?

>>127400378
He's a second pressing of Barenboim.
So, no.

>>127400378
Mostly mid with some hits (his Dresden Bruckner 8 is fantastic, his Brahms piano concertos with Pollini are not bad). His Bruckner and Beethoven cycles with Vienna are the most "they're okay I guess" recordings in existence.

The Schumann cycle I posted is really only neat because it's different -- more dramatic and heavy-handed than most Schumann symphony performances, which usually emphasize suppleness, rhythm, and vitality.

But yeah if all of his recordings vanished off the face of the earth, I really wouldn't ever think about him again.

>>127398713
maho more like my whore

>>127400378
>>127400422
Actually, on second thought, given what he's had to work with... no, he's not.

It should be noted not every Now Playing recording I post is an endorsement, often times I'm trying it out for myself too.

Why are these threads so fast lately

>>127399843
>DAILY REMINDER
of what

>>127400470
All these shitposters and jokesters using this general like /b/

>>127400470
t. ourist

>>127400479
No, this thread was much slower just six months ago, never mind the past couple of years. There's definitely an increase in spam, and not even of the funny W poster variety.

>>127400554
People have been saying the same damn thing once a week for thepast 10 years.
>funny W poster
>funny
Fuck off and die.

>>127400560
Bait should be believable
Dogma should be defensible
Ritual should be repeatable
Liturgy should be legible
Belief should be beautiful
What fulfils these conditions in the decadent modern world in which "God is Dead"? Answer: the holy poetry of Richard Wagner and his "Sacred Festival Stage Play" which transforms and supersedes religion.
https://youtu.be/yF0pwSC7qWg?list=PL_Cf5Xxn5OZY1gE9zsWHAjXz6MVz9IZYS

>>127400554
>>127400560
pretty sure the W poster has moved on to BABIAA posting now, though you can tell their heart's not in it

>>127400571
>x should be y etc etc etc
and music should be good yet here you are posting trash

Piano Concerto > the rest

This genre really bring out the best of a composer, I find.

>>127400571
Love me some of the ol' Waggy-wag

Rodrigo Martinez
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4SyxvOiQjY

My fav classical dude be Choppin

>>127400583
Listen. This is /classical/, not "plebbit". We only discuss patrician refined music here. You are on the wrong bus stop, but instead of being a civil individual and leaving, you are instead creating a "ruckus" for the other waiting passengers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMw0EjLFPXw Wagner showed us the dangers of being a "faustian" man, not with long essays and tedious literature, but with elegant sound and smooth instrumentation. You are the devil, "Mephistopheles" trying to seduce us poor souls into degeneracy.

W.

>>127400099
People are preoccupied with themselves. If you go alone, and they think about you at all, they will assume you are serious about music.

Honestly, it is stranger that people would go to a concert with their romantic partners.

>>127400576
My Cock in is in you rn, and I am not the W poster, just posting obvious truths, BAAIAA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcKK1AdtfVI

If a Mozart or Chopin listener posts in this thread, I will murder them with a Platonic and righteous passion

>>127400661
but anon, Mozart *is* the Platonic ideal of music!

Notker Balbulus and before
Anders Hillborg and after

>average BAAIAA listener

We will disarm and murder every 17th-18th century heretic that would put on a Mozart Piano concerto or Chopin Nocturne

We are the Mockers of Mozart
We put a chokehold on classicism

We are the Cuckolders of Chopin
We are the Rapists of Romantics

We are the murderers of Mahler
We strike fear in ever pretentious and Neurotic writer of 1 hour of symphonies

>>127400661
BAAIAA
what this mean

>>127400706
use context clues, asshole

>>127400706
howd you get this gif of my mom

>>127400706
nothing, because it should be baBiaa not baaiaa
>>127400721
onlyfans

>>127400665
Yeah if you like to suck dick, Bach is more ideal as is Petzold

Louis XIV court of musicians represents the true Platonic Ideal, not fat poop obsessed Austrians who eat schnitzel out of their wives asssholes

Why don't you listen to some of Paul Hindemith's wonderful music today?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gzw2v5rtoPU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHo8igW6qb8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iXUeUDEWvo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAAmPNV_4B4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYUZccKkemo
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kW_EfiES8_A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGlaCmMmTEI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3Yx8DCbH-A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgLkNM1NUkY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZkX9huvKw0
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpgYJhpcL8s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7c8SFS9Lxk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEDpcdx5ppk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qS--K3dPHzY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vx9itohCcBk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6vxqnnEwiE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZP7raZ9cNw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-NZS9DrY4Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6p3NQ1_wvc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPgmUji_bBM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vnuHYRMiv4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HV1Tw6AvCI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoIPU5bY0kU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84Sn-KzsV94
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-pLs_RwP0c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDRMkYW7lFE
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-EI9G9l_aY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhyQH8inhH0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGgW0wF96Ec
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Y33yE8OBmY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-dbA56Dl4s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntj3YQdzRac
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgrhL0z6ZEk

>>127400713
im retarded thats why im asking

NO MOZART
NO CHOPIN
NO MAHLER
ALL ROMANTICS SCRAM!

ALL CLASSICISTS EAT SHIT AND DIE
THIS THREAD IS FOR MARIN MARAIS!

SONATA FORM SHOULD DIE
ONLY CONCERTO GROSSO FOR I!

HAYDN IS LIKE A ROTTEN WHEAT
WHAT I NEED IS BACH CELLO SUITE


BACH AND BEFORE, IVES AND AFTER

>>127400778
>im retarded
Fuck off, we're at capacity

>BRAAAAAAAAAAAAAP

That's a Mozart concerto in a nutshell

You should be listening to a Ives Symphony instead

>>127400785
>we're at capacity
since you're a retard as well, mind if we swap spots?

2/3rds of that shit don't rhyme, retard

Palestrina
Bach
Debussy

This is what a non gay man's listening habits look like

>>127400817
>de bussy
think again

>>127400823
You think its a coincidence that his name rhymes with a woman's vagina?

Remember, not all Romantic composers are bad, but all bad composers do tend to be Romantic

Except Classical, every Classical composer is bad.
Below are acceptable Romantics

Liszt(late)
Any of the Russian Five
Grieg
Franck
Tarrega
Alkan
John Field
Chabrier

>>127400833
No, de bussy is a male anus.

>>127400868
Debussy finished on de Bach of a woman, not a Male anus you retard

Some of the oldest guides of internet etiquette state: Don't feed the trolls, and don't give attention whores attention. Ask yourself: Why is this so hard for you?

>>127400900
BAB
IAA

>>127400886
A bussy is a man's asshole, you dumb homo fuck. A butt pussy.

>>127400900
Some people here are happy replying to anyone and anything. Hell, I almost did it just now myself before refraining and replying to your post instead. I'm happy with my choice.

>>127400614
Wagner
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QjodlxRxa8

>>127401095
I now want to go back in time and beat Hindemith to death.

>>127401374
babbe wanna crie

>>127401374
>>127401400
Relax, edgelord
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teAuxNMurWw

>>127401055
>A bussy is a man's asshole
No, it's a boy's pussy. There's a difference.

had Cosima and Von Bulow not been such attention whores and drama queens Wagner would be remembered simply as a key composer of the "new german school". More remarkable than Boulez, but not as important as Liszt. Once again women ruin everything. Yes, for the purpose of this argument Hans Von Bulow was behaving perfectly like a woman. Perhaps moreso than Cosima.

>>127401505
>attention whores and drama queens
and sycophants
>More remarkable than Boulez
More remarkable than Berlioz*. Sorry, I'm tipsy.

>>127401509
>Sorry, I'm tipsy.
Well, you know what they say: In vino....

>>127400776
Only worthwhile post in this thread until the album shiller gets out of bed and starts posting the beginnings of each piece off of whatever album he's promoting next (/affectionate)

>>127400687
based
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcpf7tFjk1M

>>127401687
Hillborgers represent
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28gDrKkBStE

>>127401726
not gonna listen to the whole thing but it definitely sounds interesting, especially the sudden change in mood/texture/timbre at around 7 minutes

>>127401687
how do people not get lynched for writing garbage like that? classical music needs its own version of freemasonry where rule breakers mysteriously disappear or die in suspicious circumstances.

now playing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7WBU2cOThM&t=975

>>127401757
classical already was mostly masonic, idiot

>>127401763
insufficiently it would seem.

>>127401757
>>127401772
ok boomer

tips on winter wind?

I played fur elise which is a very hard song but people say that winter wind is the hardest song and it sounds very hard. so I want to ask how hard it is? I also played river flows in you and I am an intermediate pianist.

>>127401918
my reflexes simply aren't good enough to play a lot of Chopin's more advanced pieces.
: (

>>127400378
He's a second pressing of Barenboim.
So, yes.

>>127398666 (OP)
Haunted house music

>>127401601
They’re currently volunteering at a class teaching undocumented immigrants to appreciate Mahler

>>127402908
not rather fond of Mahler. too many appoggiaturas I say.

Chopin's piano sonatas kinda suck

>>127403461
they really do. sonatas require the mind of an engineer but Chopin was only a poet.

i love this lil nigga like you wouldn't believe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbuowIo54mw

>>127403461
>>127403516
Horrendous opinion, truly. Sonata no.3 is absolutely one of the greatest works in solo piano repertoire. Likewise, Cello sonata for the cello music.

Symphonies require the mind of an architect but Wagner was only a rapist

>>127402548
So I always go for the first pressing you know why wait till everyone else has had their fun with the Barenboim?

>>127403746
maybe but no. 2 sucks

>>127400099
> Do you go solo or with someone?

I usually go alone but I do have a pool of friends who sometimes join me. But it's like 5 people out of everyone I know so it does not happen very often.

> Nothing more quintessentially American than that.

Well, I suppose. Still kinda wild to me.

>>127400642

> Honestly, it is stranger that people would go to a concert with their romantic partners.

What's strange about that?

>>127399924

> what are they going to play?

Mozart 41 Jupiter and Mahler 4 near the start of the season. Also going to listen to Augustin Hadelich playing Bach Partita No. 2 in D minor and Paganini Caprices Nos. 19 in E-flat & 16 in G minor.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtyTaE7LvVs

now playing

start of Franck: Prelude, Choral & Fugue, CFF 24
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_JGYea_tIc&list=OLAK5uy_mRTtw8LXyIccgifk3U6BYSENbTeG0HTUg&index=2

start of Franck: Prelude, Aria & Finale, CFF 26
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARtQuDRsWZs&list=OLAK5uy_mRTtw8LXyIccgifk3U6BYSENbTeG0HTUg&index=5

Franck: Choral No. 3 in A Minor, CFF 107 (Transcr. Hough)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiOOx2fkFHk&list=OLAK5uy_mRTtw8LXyIccgifk3U6BYSENbTeG0HTUg&index=8

Franck: Premier grand caprice, CFF 11
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIyd0ueShQk&list=OLAK5uy_mRTtw8LXyIccgifk3U6BYSENbTeG0HTUg&index=9

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mRTtw8LXyIccgifk3U6BYSENbTeG0HTUg

Like a mix between Bach and Faure.

>>127403779
No.2 is not his best, but definitely a low A tier sonata. Whereas no.3 and cello sonatas are both high S tier.

>>127403799
>dragging the ol’ ball and chain to a concert isn’t strange

>>127403516
>>127403461
NPC opinions

anyone else see the parallels between Vaughan Williams 2 and Sibelius 2??? they're basically variations on the same symphony

all of these old composers like mozart and beethoven are fucking boring. it's old music written 300 years ago and has absolutly no emotion. the golden age for "classical" music was around 100 years ago when composers like ravel and messiaen came and wrote real masterpieces. saldy it was short lived when it became to weird later on and turned into noise...

>>127404101
I understand that mindset but my primary issue is it limits you to such a small quantity of music that it's difficult to consider you a fan of classical/art music at all. Now, if you wanna say Brahms is where you start, then okay, now we're talkin'

>>127404101
>absolutly no emotion
i can kind of see Mozart (aside from his Requiem and a few symphonies), but how does Beethoven not have emotion? also there is a huge gap between Beethoven and Ravel, but i can think of plenty of composers between those two that have a lot of emotion, like >>127404116 says, Brahms for example, and many others, also Baroque has much more emotion than classical period (in general) Bach's Oratorios, Cantatas, his keyboard works, Concerto for 2 violins.

>>127404160
>but how does Beethoven not have emotion?
I'm convinced anyone who says this has only heard a couple performances with hyper-classical interpretations of Beethoven which turned them off completely. Hell, if I'd only heard, say, Gardiner's or Nezet-Seguin's recordings of the symphonies I'd think it was shit too, and sadly, often times these are the recordings which pop up at the top of YouTube search results, the primary method through which most people listen to classical these days.

Or one of those popular HIP/period-instrument Beethoven piano sonata sets like Brautigam's on fortepiano, eww

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BFeNQKbalY

RUUUUUNNNNN

>Beethoven, in his core, is a composer of light, his music uplifting and life-affirming. But in a few works he addressed the darkness with a mastery just as absolute, giving us within the sonata cycle the Pathétique, Moonlight, and perhaps most vivid of all, the Appassionata. These three are without doubt among the most popular of his works, attesting to some irresistible attraction these dark soundscapes must exert on us. Perhaps it is also an attestation to Beethoven’s mastery of dramaturgy and his profound, relatable humanity: he knows how to grip us in a dark narrative, but we constantly feel that he lived through the same experience as us, felt the same emotions, possibly more strongly than we do. Trusting him, we willingly lower our defences and submit ourselves to this white-knuckle ride.

>And thus, he takes us with him into the dangerous world of the Appassionata. The tension in the beginning is almost physically palpable, a coiled spring of dotted rhythms as the hands move in austere unison down and up the keyboard (it is only Beethoven’s magic touch that can transform something as mundane as an arpeggio – a broken chord – in a device of immense dramatic power). A trill – a shimmering shiver, more psychological effect than substance – completes the opening phrase. It is immediately repeated half a tone higher; a new, colder colour brought into the mix. The opening notes of the two phrases – D flat and C – then unite to form the famous four-note fate motif (0:38), not so much a menace but a doubtless promise of the eruption to come. The repeats of the motif, faintly pleading in the right hand, implacable in the left hand, also establish another recurring idea – a large stretch of empty keyboard between the hands, who throughout the movement will often gravitate towards their respective edges of the keyboard, exacerbating the austere, barren feeling of the opening. [cont.]

https://beethoven32.com/#sonata23

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txChVYmy4BI

>>127404220
? This is a good performance. Are you one of those retards that think that classical interpretations can't invoke emotion and that slowness of tempo somehow equals profundity?

>>127404351
All I'm saying is I can understand why someone with modern sensibilities might be turned off by dry, classical interpretations of Beethoven and lump him in with their distaste of other classical era music which evokes no emotional response in them.

If you like your Beethoven played that way that's fine, but surely you can understand why it might turn some people off, and why they'd be better suited with performances that are a bit more romantic in approach.

>>127404093
They're both the second symphony each composer wrote

Buxtehude
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8W6vh9KCyiY

>>127404378
>dry
Nothing dry about it.
>romantic
Such as?

>>127404379
which is what makes the parallels so fascinating!!! otherwise it'd just be two symphonies by different composers which sound the same, so what, but with the same number, makes you wonder if something else might be going on, if something else is afoot in the pattern

>>127404401
>Such as?
Gilels for starters. If we're talking relatively more emotional compared to Brautigam, then really just about every other performer can be listed lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbblMw6k1cU

No one, even with modern sensibilities, can accuse Beethoven of lacking emotion after listening to a performance like that is all I'm sayin'.

>>127404401
>>127404419
All my point is I can understand why someone might find Beethoven stodgy, dry, and aloof to modern peoples if they only heard this kind of performance
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1fbqBH1EBo

as opposed to, idk, one like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUjrInYjyjY&list=OLAK5uy_nIe5auw6SUxO5XaV0J-bc6S2bBKF07sgo&index=15

Not saying no one should like the first type of approach to Beethoven. I love Brendel's Beethoven and his playing is very classicalist in sensibility. But when these people who prefer art music from later eras suggest Beethoven lacks passion and emotion, it's probably because they only heard the first kind of performance, and it isn't the kind that works for them.

>beethoven bad
>mozart bad
>chopin bad
>bach bad
No. (You) just don't belong here. >>>/mu/

continuing my current practice of starting my day with Liszt's Annees de pelerinage, and this time we return to the classic and most famous set by Lazar Berman. Excited to see how it holds up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTIlVn30k4M&list=OLAK5uy_kbORBk1Ps2hzw_8P_PB-jD3iIXMV1Q1L0&index=9

>>127394708
His performances of Liszt's piano arrangements of Beethoven's symphonies are neat.

>>127404502
Yaas you tell them sister

>>127404502
Would it really be 4chan without rampant contrarianism?

>>127404539
Yes? Why wouldn't it be?

>>127404547
Because the 'c' in 4chan stands for contrarianism!

>>127404553
No it doesn't

>>127404555
Well executed on the contrarianism by denying it, anon

>>127398666 (OP)
So what's the difference between a toccata,a prelude and a passacaglia?

>>127404555
>she doesn't know
do you even know who m00t is?

There isn't a piece more fun and heart-pumping for me than Hungarian Rhapsody No. 2.

>>127404558
It was poorly executed

>>127404575
All the information is at your fingertips, just use a damn search engine. What's the point of asking such a simple question here?

>>127404600
Good question sister

>>127404588
for me it's the orchestral version

>>127404592
I was trying to be funny

>>127404419
Gilels is not romantic in his performance style. He is strictly a modern 20th century performer.
>>127404489
You prescribe way too much credit to a performer if you think that playing on a modern piano with pedal spam and a slower tempo is enough to transform one of Beethoven's pieces from "dry, stodgy, boring" to a "passionate and emotional" performance. Sounds to me like you enjoy performers more than Beethoven himself.

>>127404648
you were being completely serious

>>127404657
And you're underestimating the effect a performer has on a piece.

now playing

start of Schumann: Sonata No. 1 for Violin and Piano in A Minor, Op. 105
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7PNC0VCctk&list=OLAK5uy_nVbewZL18Qy7oLiHACxcrPg1xJZNOMPlc&index=2

start of Schumann: Sonata No. 2 for Violin and Piano in D Minor, Op. 121
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZXFyAmtIZQ&list=OLAK5uy_nVbewZL18Qy7oLiHACxcrPg1xJZNOMPlc&index=4

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nVbewZL18Qy7oLiHACxcrPg1xJZNOMPlc

>Not until the year 1845, when I began to conceive and work out everything in my head, did an entirely different manner of composition begin to develop

This singlehandedly destroyed Schumann's musical creativity and sanity. His ideas become less inventive, less melodic, more shapeless and vague in their expression.

what is the most emotional Beethoven sonata cycle?

>>127404736
Looking at the wikipedia page for opus numbers, Schumann hasn't composed anything truly great for solo piano since probably 1839.
But his 4th symphony is written in 41 and revised in 51. And his greatest work next to op.17, which is the Rhenish symphony, was composed after 45, as well as his Piano Trio no.1, Violin Sonata no.2 and Cello concerto among other pieces, so no, your theory doesn't quite hold up. Maybe for the solo piano. Schumann was pretty episodic, much like Florestan and Eusebius lol, he had very good years and very bad years.

>>127404799
What evokes emotion in someone varies from person to person. Now, if you're talking which is the most sentimental, that wears its heart-on-its-sleeve, then probably one of Barenboim's. His aside, Gilels or Arrau.

>>127404863
Which is the most emotionally dishonest?

>>127404908
Also Barenboim's.

>>127404671
Not really. A performer cannot turn a bad piece into a good piece. An average performance should still convey the appropriate amount of emotion and intention of the original composition; only horrible performances can mangle it. However, a great performance cannot make gold out of bronze. If anyone thinks that Beethoven sounds stodgy, dry, and unemotional in an average performance, they simply don't like Beethoven. Period.

>>127404930
You've got it backwards -- it's that a poor or unfavorable and disagreeable performance can stifle the piece. And if someone's sole exposure to a composer was through performances which didn't work for them, which were inimical to their resonance with the music, then it's very possible, even likely that they may leave with the wrong impression of the music and the composer.

>>127404953
>it's that a poor or unfavorable and disagreeable performance can stifle the piece.
I said that. However, you did not post an example of a poor or disagreeable performance. You posted an example of a perfectly idiomatic performance, played classically, in an instrument appropriate for its time. Even Barenboim, who I detest, could not ruin Beethoven's music for me. Hence why I accuse you of valuing performers far more than the composer, possibly because you don't actually understand or value the music itself due to your performance fetishism.

>>127404930
>>127404953
>they simply don't like Beethoven.
Nothing that can't be fixed with repeated listening. I think you're both overestimating your points. Recordings do matter, but if someone didn't like the piece, it could be due to the novelty. I've not enjoyed a single Beethoven sonata on my first listen. And it still gets better each time I listen.

>>127405002
So you're essentially saying every recording and performance of good music, no matter the interpretation and result, lets it shine through and is unable to stifle its qualities and enjoyment in anyway? Nonsense.

>possibly because you don't actually understand or value the music itself due to your performance fetishism.
Okay, if you wanna play on that field, then I can easily say your position is the result of not caring and appreciation music enough to know what qualities are emphasized, what aesthetic elements are featured, and when the music is ruined or brought to life.

But that'd be rude and uncharitable. All that's happening is I think you're undervaluing the importance of the interpretive veil of performance.

>>127405058
>no matter the interpretation and result
I did not say that, no. I am saying that performances which genuinely wreck a piece are a huge rariety. And your contrasting examples were chosen poorly.

>>127405090
Okay, how about this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLcSRz06HTk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqjiop8ir2c

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7odlDzZvapU

Surely you can imagine the potential disparate aesthetic reactions here? The first one: Bach sounds antiquated and hollow. The second one: meh, the cello suites are too frenetic and unsubstantial. The third one: meh, the cello suites are heavy-handed and soporific.

And then on the flip: 1) now that's baroque music! 2) now that's exciting! and 3) now that's spiritual and really makes you feel and think

Performances can bring the music to life just as well as it can snuff it out.

Do you like one movement in a piece or vice versa or even not like them all equally? Is this allowed?

>>127405002
And I like discussing recordings and the performers here because that's where there's the most room for discussion. Oh you agree Beethoven is a genius? Me too. Okay... oh but who do you like performing his music? Oh, X? Why? Ah, A, B, and C are good points, but I prefer performer Y, because of D, E, and F.

etc etc

>>127405143
I mostly consider pieces as a whole, and do not differentiate too much between movements, but sometimes there are noticably strong or weak movements. For example the 2nd movement of Beethoven's 7th is one of the greatest things he ever wrote, but the 7th itself isn't really my cup of tea, although I still like it quite a bit. And Waldstein sonata being one of his masterpieces, has a strange 2nd movement which feels like a filler.

>>127404101
>Ives and After
Supremely based, but some Beethoven is good>>127404116

>>127405138
Performances can elevate music, but not to the point where I would flip entirely on a composition and go from, "that's antiquated" to "now that's baroqud music."

>>127405138
>>127405193
Baroque music is antiquated it's like 300 years old at least

>>127405166
You only prefer that kind of discussion because you are not musically educated.

>>127405138
>>127405138
It makes me think they should organise a kind of cello holocaust where they burn all these instruments and prevent people from playing them unless it's a background instrument

Bach & before, Brahms & after
BABBA

>>127405211
How's yours going sister?

>>127405211
Maybe. Why would I care "how" something is done if I'm not a craftsman or performer in that field myself? It sounds good or it doesn't. I only care about "what" the result is.

>>127405193
If I were limited to HIP Bach I could see myself thinking it's not music for me. If I were limited to Schiff's ECM recording of Bach's WTC, I might think it wasn't for me either.

ARE YOU LISZTENING?

>>127404828
The Rhenish symphony is pompous garbage, and his revision of the 4th symphony is universally reviled.

>Schumann
>Rhenish especially
>pompous garbage
topkekkle

now playing

start of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 27 in E Minor, Op. 90
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZizDVT4Z9uQ&list=OLAK5uy_nti8_sK69i59DEk8paJTX7xOALi6-NUHc&index=88

start of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 28 in A Major, Op. 101
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MG-D680xDcA&list=OLAK5uy_nti8_sK69i59DEk8paJTX7xOALi6-NUHc&index=90

start of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 29 in B-Flat Major, Op. 106 "Hammerklavier"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8wI_N1O9ak&list=OLAK5uy_nti8_sK69i59DEk8paJTX7xOALi6-NUHc&index=93

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nti8_sK69i59DEk8paJTX7xOALi6-NUHc

>>127405370
My brother

>>127405431
Sorry, I can only pay attention to chopin-y things at once

Look, all I know is, even for music and composers I love, there are some recordings when I listen to them I get that feeling in my brain where I want to keep listening and then there are some where I get that feeling in my brain literally pressuring me to switch to something else. That alone is reason enough to care about what recording I'm listening to, to be a "performance fetish[ist]" lol. I don't get it, is it preferable to not care...?

I suppose the suggestion is the performance shouldn't be make-or-break for the music, and to that, all I can say is tell that to the chemicals in my brain, and all I was saying was it's possible someone who thinks they don't like Beethoven came across a bad recording on their first attempt at listening to his music, my essential point being Beethoven's music is so good, they should give him another chance, and if there was a bad experience, it's more likely it wasn't his fault but the performer's. That is all.

>>127405563
You Schumanny?

>>127405473
Thank you sister
>>127405546
Thank you brother

Actively listening

to my wife being drilled by Tryone

If you dislike Rhenish symphony (probably the greatest symphony ever written), we have a problem you and I.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9u1u_xAYg4o

I love the tracklist on this recording. Alice Sara Ott performing Debussy, Satie, and Ravel? Yes please. It'd make for a great gift.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mz91oSREyJg&list=OLAK5uy_nE_vK3B8PEsxbp8yERTd6w63pfrEmrDNA&index=1

>Pianist Alice Sara Ott releases Nightfall, an album that explores the transition and harmony between day and night, light and darkness. This recording features a collection of evocative pieces by Satie, Debussy, and Ravel, including Debussy's "Clair de lune" and Ravel's Gaspard de la nuit - all played with Ott's velvet touch and soulful depth.

It opens with Debussy's Reverie into his Suite bergamasque (featuring Clair de lune, of course), into two of Satie's Gnossiennes and one of his Gymnopedies, then into Ravel's Gaspuit de la nuit and closing with his Pavane pour une infante defunte. Now that's a fun and moving program, great for evenings.

>>127405801
i want to watch her play Debussy

>Bruckner conducted by Helmuth Rilling

https://youtu.be/gwCf4vC9LsQ

Now that's an ambitious crossover if I've ever seen one

>>127405880
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6B3KrP4sQCI

>>127405885
If it's choral, Rilling will conduct it. For that, we love him.

Mendelssohn

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZ_jntjyv1E&list=OLAK5uy_lu-2N_uzEnS2gBPmIxKY-CzkULI0adbjE&index=16

i'm obsessed with Messiaen's Catalogue d'oiseaux
https://youtu.be/VK1PQWkuXY0?si=9ANelXsCBmPviXjN

>>127405744
It's a little bombastic no? What's so good about it?

>>127405918
I love Rilling for his complete Bach cantata set

>>127405744
>Rhenish symphony (probably the greatest symphony ever written)
Low standards.

>>127405962
>>127406062
Disgustingly plebian.
>What's so good about it?
The drama, lyricism, form, everything. Even if orchestration is not its highest point, you have to be soulless low IQ normalfag to be filtered by the GOAT symphony.

Only solo piano music is really sounding good to me at the moment. Okay, brain, can we, y'know, get back some variety, please? Can I put on a symphony without getting restless and wanting to change it to piano music after 10 minutes? Maybe even back to when I could listen to 3 hours of symphonies in a row no problem? goddamn, why do I go through phases like this

>>127405960
What about it do you like so much?

>>127406242
Sorry anon but I think your taste is parochial.

>>127406352
i don't really know how to put it into words, something just keeps bringing me back to it.

>>127406352
the music

>>127406428
Likewise, I think your taste is plebian and disgusting.

>>127405885
maho more like my whore

Bach

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oref59ndJnI&list=OLAK5uy_lGMz2h3rwA-18ZtQ7o0W2nsvavAW7K4Eg&index=2

>>127406558
For not considering Schumann's 3rd the greatest symphony ever? Very unusual. But enjoy your biedermeier taste.

>>127406679
No. But acknowledging it as one of the greatest is simply prerequisite to be a classical connoisseur. I don't care what you think is 'the best'.

What is the best Mahler reorchesteated Schumann symphony cycle?

>>127400776
>Why don't you listen to some of Paul Hindemith's wonderful music today?
Well, anon?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hVALa5Bgwo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHo5CMqNEDU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noA2djk9TvA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9o6UG52FTY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4j1-sy1Q7T4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=mIzIE1IcBng
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VvMSHa0-js
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jitbwlX0_ds
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HU0TqvhIS10

>>127406734
Sorry anon, not everyone is as sentimental as you.

>inb4 muh youthful memories about being moved by schumann

>>127406792
Not everyone is a cold sociopath like you either.

>>127406768
Chailly

>>127406820
Your emotions aren't made any less real by their subjectivity. No need to demand others feel the same things you do.

>>127406828
Oh I've never listened to Chailly's Schumann at all, nor the Mahler arrangements. Exciting. Cheers!

Sorry Previn, sorry Slatkin, sorry Andrew Manze, but Bryden Thomson has the best Vaughan Williams cycle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHl8Rb1USvM

I've played Schumann. He fucking sucks. It was a waste of my time.

>>127407362
Schumann surpassed anyone before him.

I really enjoyed Four Sea Interludes, should I listen to all of Peter Grimes? I'm really not a fan of operatic singing, Nessun Dorma is about the only aria I can stomach. Does he have any other good instrumental music?

>>127407613
This just in: A second-rate Schubert-via-Mendelssohn, mentally unstable transition figure is better than Bach (father & sons), Haydn, Mozart, Beethoven, and the aforementioned Schubert combined. Stay tuned for more schizo news at 11

>>127407698
>I'm really not a fan of operatic singing, Nessun Dorma is about the only aria I can stomach.

>>127407698
>should I listen to all of Peter Grimes?
yeah?
>Does he have any other good instrumental music?
...yeah? Strange questions today

does Schumann have solo piano music?

did Beethoven write symphonies?

was Bach a composer?

did Bach exist? think about it, atleast with artists like Rachmaninov, Tchaikovsky, Vaughan Williams, Scriabin, etc, etc. we have REAL images of them, Bach however, all we have are these so called "paintings", can we really know he existed and isn't just another Shakespeare type thing? and furthermore how do we know anything existed at all? do i exist?

>>127407801
>did Bach exist?
yeah

did Beethoven exist? think about it, atleast with artists like Rachmaninov, Tchaikovsky, Vaughan Williams, Scriabin, etc, etc. we have REAL images of them, Beethoven however, all we have are these so called "paintings", can we really know he existed and isn't just another Jesus type thing? and furthermore how do we know anything existed at all? do i exist?

>>127407801
>>127407821
>do i exist?
nah

did Tchaikovy write uhh opera hmm?

>>127407716
He literally is.

>>127408101
And now Tim with the schizo weather

>>127408151
Okay

favorite recording for Messiaen's Quatuor pour la fin du temps?

Beethoven

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdotbzvla0s

>>127408298
Normally I steer clear of Barenboim, but he nailed it in this one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-khyEpKhek

>>127408351
that's my Barenboi!

Kinda obsessed with Gieseking's Debussy now, ngl

This may in fact be one area where the old greats did it better. I apologize, I was wrong. I'll take the L, 1-0 for you hisster sisters

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4H-b2TTT4c&list=OLAK5uy_mXoeLcgiS2HCcI-4rrD7M4oMNZI9cYFso&index=54

>>127408574
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2Zsq2cv9FE
we need to go older

>>127408660
You made me get out of bed for this!? Kinda neat I guess.

any good hiss recordings of Liszt's Annees de pelerinage and/or his Harmonies Poetiques Et Religieuses?

>>127408790
>any good hiss
no

>>127408790
complete? difficult
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGqmFjdIfRE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCW2bouDxpU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vo87xStspI

>>127408953
That third one... ;_;

>>127408790
>hiss

>>127407722
>If you don’t like X then you are Y

should've listened to Hindemith while you still had time

>>127409231
ominous :o

>>127409273
I'm loading the revolver and coming your way

>>127409318
damn, ok. I'll put on Brahms' German Requiem when you get here and we can listen to it together while you hold me at gunpoint and when it ends you can pull the trigger. That way it'll be a kino death.

now playing

start of Schubert: Piano Sonata in A Minor, D. 784, Op. posth. 143
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qha1imcG7dQ&list=OLAK5uy_mSyY9n_9UrHXYDGOWh8X70IaTfE_ZKJkg&index=2

start of Schubert: Piano sonata in C Minor, D. 958
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbSyLlp85EQ&list=OLAK5uy_mSyY9n_9UrHXYDGOWh8X70IaTfE_ZKJkg&index=5

start of Schubert: Piano sonata in A Major, D. 959
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtEZYMp5h2c&list=OLAK5uy_mSyY9n_9UrHXYDGOWh8X70IaTfE_ZKJkg&index=9

start of Schubert: Piano Sonata in B Flat Major, D. 960
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zu0oKyeGzqg&list=OLAK5uy_mSyY9n_9UrHXYDGOWh8X70IaTfE_ZKJkg&index=12

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mSyY9n_9UrHXYDGOWh8X70IaTfE_ZKJkg

>British pianist Paul Lewis's auspicious 2001 harmonia mundi debut release marked the beginning of his fascination with the music of Franz Schubert. Thirteen years later, now hailed as ''the finest Schubert interpreter of his generation'' (Gramophone), Lewis offers this two-disc collection, the final installment of his three-part Schubert series, which presents newly recorded interpretations of sonatas D784 & 958 paired with his 2002 recording of Sonatas D959 and D960. The 'late' works of Schubert hold a special place in Lewis's heart. In a recent interview he said, ''There is no precedent in his music for what the language becomes - that sense of austerity, sparseness, hopelessness, terror even! I think he suddenly had an acute awareness of his own mortality.''

>>127409361
no, before you die I'll put on Hindemith's second piano sonata
>The second sonata ranks as one of my favorite Hindemiths and exemplifies what I've come to call "sensuous form." The opening movement not only sings gorgeously, but is almost a textbook example of sonata. In fact, when I think of sonata-allegro form per se, this piece almost always comes to mind. Still, this isn't the Sturm und Drang of Beethoven and his heirs. Hindemith's effect comes mainly from the formal play of his ideas. He doesn't surprise you, as much as fulfill your every expectation perfectly. You find yourself in a world of near-Platonic perfection. Listening to this sonata, I can understand how mathematicians can speak lovingly of "beautiful proofs."

>>127409390
What do you think of Gould's cycle of those piano sonatas?

>>127409402
>Gould
no thanks

>>127409406
Hey, I feel ya, but with Hindemith his sensibilities find a seamless partner, and it's by far the most popular set of them.

>>127409402
>>127409406
Just in case and before you ask: Siegfried Mauser

>>127409421
ah, set number 3, pretty good

>>127409433
He actually and thankfully recorded Hindemith's entire piano works. Even stuff like the discarded original second movement of the 1st sonata

>>127401726
this is... actually good? No one told me contempo trash could be good

Gieseking's Ravel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyCWNWzJO_g&list=OLAK5uy_lk5iIgeC9h4fm9INcTyv8k4G8Hwf3jX2E&index=2

>Newly transferred from the original master tapes, Walter Gieseking's 1954 EMI Ravel cycle gains in color and amplitude over previous "unofficial" CD editions of these long-unavailable recordings. Indeed, his vocal grimaces at loud moments register more clearly. More to the point, Gieseking's pellucid touch and direct brain-to-finger equilibrium control Ravel's cruelly exposed, deceptively difficult textures with effortless elegance in Le Tombeau de Couperin, Jeux d'Eaux, the Sonatine, Valses Nobles et Sentimentales, and most of Miroirs (though Alborada del gracioso could use more sultry snap). True, Gaspard de la Nuit's outer movements lack the hazy sweep of Gieseking's famous pre-war 78s. But the short pieces embody lapidarian marvels, like the Pavane's perfect melody/accompaniment balances (only a pedaling genius like Gieseking can achieve this without pedal!) and the Haydn Menuet's elusive polyphony voiced to a tee. Even when he's in less than tip-top form, Gieseking still clicks into Ravel's sound world as if both composer and interpreter shared genetic code. --Jed Distler

>>127396439
It was a decent performance. I have a preference for very fast tempi in this piece, and they played it quite fast. There were some mannerisms I wasn't a fan of (clipped phrasing) from the first violinist but on the whole I was very happy to see one of my favorite chanber works performed live. Yo-Yo Ma had a few slips, but he was actually quite a bit more aggressive than in the recordings I've heard him in, which was nice to hear. The Ozawa Hall was amazing. I was all the way in the back up the third floor and I could still hear everything very well. The only thing that didn't come through well were the violin pizzicati.

>BRAAAAAAAAAAAP Concerto in A minor, K.420

Why do you heathens still listen this hack? Why aren't you listen to Marais, Gombert, or Stravinsky?

once you go bruckner, you can't go back to mahler

real ESL hours have begun

>BRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAP

This is what posterity you get if you don't listen to Bach and Before, Ives and After

>Bach
>Machaut
>Ives
>Marais
>Buxtehude
>Stravinsky
>Reich
>Bartok

No Mozart, No Brahms, No Haydn, No Mahler
No Autistic Teutonic spirit shall oppress the Gallic, Latin, or Slavic spirit

>Your Romanticism
>My Foot
>Your Classicism
>My Fist

I will crush the Mozart enjoyers, and and liberate the Chopin listeners with Colombe, Rebel, and Perotin

Just stop listening to Mozart, there is no hidden genius in his music, just shit, piss, and cock fucking nonsense that no straight man would be caught dead listening to, HE WORE A WIG AND MAKEUP, HE'S GAY CAN'T YOU SEE IT?

Buxtehude
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crGdezCHud8

>>127405801
Why do record label executives think we want to see the performer’s face on the album cover?

>>127410473
because sales confirm it

Mozart sucks because he only did like 2 organ pieces

>>127410480
Only works if the performer is attractive.

>>127410388
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqzpSA9Htg8

>>127410626
Better version
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZcbkz4pCfc

>>127410686
For the consumerist-anon:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oHT59uRlto

>>127410589
And by attractive, I mean she looks like Sydney Sweeney.

>>127410589
hence >>127405801

>>127405801
>Ott
her 12 Études D'Exécution Transcendante is my favourite

>>127410819
She reminds you of your mom

>>127410846
I'm not asian

>>127410851
Is that what she is? I couldn’t tell if she was Asian, Jewish, or Turkish.

>>127410877
You might have autism

Buxtehude
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkEzgZZWB48

>>127410877
she's clearly asian you tard

>>127411228
Asia is a big place

>>127411228
Turkey continent: Asia
Israel continent: Asia
Weebland continent: Asia

Buxtehude
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEETB8h1rH0

>>127411326
>>127411337
stop trying to excuse your obvious autism; it's clear she's a jap, the asianest asians that ever asianed

>>127411438
Variations on a theme

>>127411438
left: Asian
Middle: Asian
Right: Caucasian

>>127411536
turks aren't caucasian, you're thinking of kartvelians

>>127411536
>Middle: Asian
jews aren't asian, at least not american jews which is what people here mean when they say jew

>>127411559
Some Turks are Caucasian. Where do you think the Caucasus are?

>>127411602
Middle has more in common with left than right

>>127410089
I will never forgive Hurwitz for saying that he'd be happy if a bomb landed on Gieseking during WW2 and he died. That's just a psychotic thing to say.

>>127411635
Do you only read the first three words of the posts you reply to, or are you being dumb on purpose

>>127411647
>middle is browner and that's good enough for me to make sweeping assessments on ethnicity
Clearly
>>127411659
>I will never forgive Hurwitz
I'm sure he's devastated

>>127411661
>Do you only
Yes, sir
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=wVWLIp1XTy0

>>127411659
Where did he say that? Context matters.

Bake the next thread, serf

>>127411751
The context was Hurwitz explaining that he hates Nazis and doesn't care if they die but still listens to their performances, or something like that.

>>127411777
>he hates Nazis and doesn't care if they die but still listens to their performances
based

>>127411782
Gieseking was literally just a normal German guy at the time. He wasn't responsible for anything. Yet Hurwitz wants him murdered. That's evil.

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