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Anonymous No.127419594 >>127419684 >>127419774 >>127419827 >>127420102 >>127420910 >>127420926 >>127421313 >>127422846 >>127423083 >>127423290 >>127423477 >>127424136 >>127424442 >>127424608 >>127426073 >>127426723 >>127429497 >>127429572 >>127429651 >>127430420 >>127431120
In the late 90s and early 00s, why did nu-metal cause such immeasurable amounts of seethe from the metal establishment? Everyone from Iron Maiden to Paul Gilbert to Dave Mustaine was openly bitching about it constantly and even in extreme cases you had stuff like Zakk Wylde saying on television he was going to break Fred Durst's legs with a baseball bat.
Anonymous No.127419684 >>127423002 >>127423077 >>127429425
>>127419594 (OP)
Because it was fucking shit.
Anonymous No.127419694 >>127422937 >>127423002 >>127423594
It didn't help that their biggest icon was a total tool as well. I mean, compare Durst to Ozzy. It's fucking laughable.
Anonymous No.127419697 >>127419843 >>127424136
Yngwie used to call it "mall metal"
Anonymous No.127419774 >>127423227 >>127423937
>>127419594 (OP)
the concessions to wigger hiphop and pop were anathema to metal elitism
Anonymous No.127419827 >>127420898
>>127419594 (OP)
The lack of good guitar playing
Anonymous No.127419843
>>127419697
did yngwie coin the term "mallcore"
Anonymous No.127420102 >>127423937
>>127419594 (OP)
Because it wasn't created for metal fans, or even rock fans. Most people who listened to it were white trash kids who had been listening to rap before. It was "rap with guitars" more so than "rock with rapping". And it was closer to punk than metal anyway.
Anonymous No.127420109 >>127420809 >>127420867 >>127420925
only 4chan would be contrarian enough to try to redeem the most universally hated musical genre to ever exist
Anonymous No.127420809 >>127421328
>>127420109
>only 4chan would be contrarian enough to try to redeem the most universally hated musical genre to ever exist
I don't think it's as hated as much as whisper girl "indie" pop is.
Anonymous No.127420867 >>127422152 >>127423872 >>127426499
>>127420109
It's aging gen xers afraid to admit what they were listening to in their teenage years was actually pretty embarrassing. Not that I think nu-metal is universally bad/irredeemable as a genre. But if you're the type of dude who puts on Limp Bizkit's Hot Dog when you want to rock out you don't get to be the arbiter of taste.
Anonymous No.127420898 >>127420911 >>127426507 >>127430194
>>127419827
Wes is extremely overrated by the fans of this band.
Anonymous No.127420910
>>127419594 (OP)
$$$$$$$$$
Nu metal came and stole their piece of the pie.
Anonymous No.127420911
>>127420898
When you're surrounded by incompetent losers the bare minimum starts to seem special due to the contrast.
Anonymous No.127420925
>>127420109
have you been living under a rock for the last 10 years
Anonymous No.127420926 >>127420966 >>127422917 >>127423584
>>127419594 (OP)
It's the end result of the steadfast commercialization and fusion of heavy music: Rap Rock, Hard Alternative/Grunge, Industrial Rock/Metal, Funk Metal, Groove Metal and even Hardcore Punk were popular on MTV from the late '80s up until '94. By the time Korn dropped their first album, all those other genres fell by the wayside and Nu-Metal rose to the top.

While bands seldom differentiated in lyrics covering pain, angst, destruction and misanthropy, most of them sounded worlds apart from one another. Korn, Limp Bizkit, Soulfly or Static-X reveled in bravado, impulsive and tribalistic aggression while Slipknot or Marilyn Manson hearkened to '70s Shock Rock with '90s sensibilities and aesthetics. Korn took cues from Faith No More and Helmet while Slipknot looked up to Mr. Bungle. Deftones had a more Post-Hardcore meets Hip-Hop undertone to their Nu-Metal sound. Towards the twilight of the genre's life, Linkin Park was introspective in their lyrics and focused more on Electronic, Trip-Hop and even Ambient atmospheres with their sound.

Separating those bands from their influences was their willingness to conform and return to machismo thanks to the Hip-Hop and Hardcore influences. Alternative bands were often quirky, elegant and socially progressive, thus politically correct. Nu-Metal took the opposite approach with more bands conforming to a tough-as-nails working class style. With minor exception, those guys were looking to throw down if you so much as gave them an awkward look.

To me, these bands were directly responsible for Nu-Metal's genesis or were influential, but not necessarily Nu-Metal: Pantera, Helmet, Prong, 24-7 Spyz, Living Colour, Fishbone, Deftones, Mordred, RATM, Tool, Infectious Grooves, Mr. Bungle, Faith No More, '90s Sepultura, Alice in Chains, Acid Bath, Godsmack, Body Count, White Zombie, L.A.P.D., Korn, Biohazard, Ministry, Nine Inch Nails, Marilyn Manson, Skinlab, Slipknot, Soulfly, Powerman 5000, P.O.D. and many others.
Anonymous No.127420966
>>127420926
https://youtu.be/F0nl4f9-aRY
Anonymous No.127421028
Zakk Wylde is a total faggot and Limp Bizkit is objectively better than BLS and Pantera.
Anonymous No.127421313 >>127423070
>>127419594 (OP)
I like Limp Bizkit and I like Creed and I don't give a fuck who knows. When Nookie came out I had a GF who was a stripper and an unfaithful whore and nobody else was talking about the pain I was going through
Anonymous No.127421328 >>127422126
>>127420809
the thing is nu metal had occasional moments while whisper girl indie pop had no moments at all
Anonymous No.127422126
>>127421328
>the thing is nu metal had occasional moments while whisper girl indie pop had no moments at all
I like nu-metal but I can rock with whisper girl indie pop if it rocks. It just has to rock though
https://youtu.be/xT6oZGThwis
Anonymous No.127422152 >>127424418
>>127420867
>But if you're the type of dude who puts on Limp Bizkit's Hot Dog when you want to rock out you don't get to be the arbiter of taste.
Eh, I'm fine with bad taste. At least it's a taste. Liberace had taste, it just wasn't necessarily good taste. Better than no taste.
Anonymous No.127422846
>>127419594 (OP)
Because it was (and still is) totalshit
Anonymous No.127422901 >>127423086 >>127426672
limp bizkit helped to go through hard times like losing my cash on bets or dealing with my bitch ex girlfriend

so yeah, i love them, legit dope music. virgin basement dwellers will never understand it, stick to indie "rock"
Anonymous No.127422911 >>127423086
What do you mean? I like anything with a good beat and a good rhythm and thereโ€™s a lot to listen to in Nu-Metal like Deftones, Coal Chamber, Dope, Orgy, Guano Apes and probably Fear Factory
Anonymous No.127422917
>>127420926
Ok kool I like that
Anonymous No.127422937
>>127419694
Oh come on, you canโ€™t just do thatโ€ฆ. Idiot!!
Anonymous No.127422945 >>127423050 >>127423086
Limp Bizkit helped me get through hard times too. Like when my mom found my bag of dirt weed and wouldn't let me go outside anymore. I just kept playing Break Stuff on repeat and every time Fred said I might break your fuckin face tonight I was imagining doing that to that old bitch for taking my weed. DUMB OLD WHORE!!!
Anonymous No.127422955 >>127423940 >>127429402 >>127429987
What are your thoughts on this bands influence on Nu-Metal
Anonymous No.127423002 >>127423056 >>127423623
>>127419684
>>127419694

compared to what you zoomers have today?
it was Vivaldi's masterpiece
Fred never made non-hit.
Anonymous No.127423050
>>127422945
Sometimes I hate my mom, too but u got to appreciate the fact that she made you
Anonymous No.127423056
>>127423002
Do You mean non-shit?
Anonymous No.127423064
On an unrelated note

>my digg is as big as this bug
Anonymous No.127423070 >>127423084
>>127421313
You seem very low iq so I guess it figures
Anonymous No.127423077 >>127423085
>>127419684
Contrarian opinion

>meanwhile nu-metal currently enjoys new found levels of interest in Gen Zโ€™ers and Gen Alpha
Anonymous No.127423083
>>127419594 (OP)
Because metalheads are autistic tryhards and nu-metal is incredibly lame
Perfect storm right there
Anonymous No.127423084
>>127423070
I bet his IQ is above 95 at least
Anonymous No.127423085 >>127423090 >>127426781
>>127423077
Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it's mistakes
Anonymous No.127423086 >>127423090 >>127423146
>>127422901
>>127422911
>>127422945
>I'm gonna go listen to Linkin park.jpeg

You idiot losers were caricatures even back then already, now you just seem kinda stupid
Anonymous No.127423090 >>127423094
>>127423085
>>127423086
Same-fag
Anonymous No.127423094
>>127423090
new-fag
Anonymous No.127423123 >>127432355
There's no point to explain to someone who wasn't there at the time. People who grew up with social media can't fathom what's wrong with selling out.
Anonymous No.127423146 >>127423201 >>127423236
>>127423086
you little faggot would never say this shit to my face, you ain't man enough. id beat your little as homo I'll fuck you till you love me, gaylord. I can tear you apart with my bear hands, bitch
Anonymous No.127423201 >>127423320
>>127423146
Yeah I'd say that to your big fat and stupid face lol
If you like nu metal don't go walking around calling others gay bro, you were the big gay all along

Also you're still a caricature, Mr. Online tough guy lmao go suck off your gay dad
Anonymous No.127423227
Hey, hey you
Fuck to you, you old bastard>>127419774
Anonymous No.127423236
>>127423146
Also, you've never had a real job, you lazy bum
Anonymous No.127423290
>>127419594 (OP)
Obligatory.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-33Yg0iM9g
Anonymous No.127423320 >>127423412
>>127423201
you little punk, id like to whoop your ass but you're probably in hiding already
No worries bitch but you really better watch your back now
Anonymous No.127423412 >>127423473
>>127423320
lol get a job you inbred hick (you are also gay)
Imagine openly admitting to liking nu metal and then trying to be an online tough guy lmao
Anonymous No.127423473 >>127423505
>>127423412
still talking tough behind the keyboard huh

where the fuck you at, sugar boy?
Anonymous No.127423477
>>127419594 (OP)
Grunge and alt rock had a bit of class and sophistication and being there as a young lad I hoped it would continue, become bigger and evolve but pop punk and nu metal, more โ€˜funโ€™ and crass put a stop to that, just like the former had put a stop to hair metal.
Anonymous No.127423505 >>127423532
>>127423473
>where the fuck you at, sugar boy?

lolololol yeah you're a total faggot. No, I'm not gonna let you suck me off, not into aids ridden Nancy boys like you
Anonymous No.127423532
>>127423505
yeah i know you're a bitchass city faggot who ain't got no balls. id fold and fuck up your ass you'll be regretting your decision to act cool on the internets, faggot
Anonymous No.127423584 >>127423733
>>127420926
>steadfast commercialization

80s shitter Metal is ancillary to Glam Metal, possibly THE "corporate anthem" genre. Before the 90s (Pantera, etc.), Metal, the kind praised by 80s deadbeat dads, was LITERALLY just Glam Metal with bad production, played faster, shitty distortion, etc. The vocals and lyrics, too, were analogous, Glam with the gay Sonic voice and "Metal" proper with the gay Scooby Doo villain voice; Glam with the edgy sexual lyrics and "Metal" proper with the edgy violent lyrics (the latter being by far the more embarrassing of the two). You could take your favorite "Metal" song from the 80s, play it slower, cleaner, with intelligible vocals and it would sound exactly like Cherry Pie. Fuck you.
Anonymous No.127423594 >>127429435 >>127432091
>>127419694

Ozzy's persona was retarded. A Marylin Manson who takes himself seriously.
Anonymous No.127423623
>>127423002
Cope, I'm gen x, we mocked you retards endlessly.
Anonymous No.127423626
So much delicious millennia seethe ITT
Anonymous No.127423733 >>127424117
>>127423584

Case and point:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nO6g4k7yYhM&list=RDnO6g4k7yYhM&start_radio=1

"Death Metal" itself begins with a bog-standard synth intro, as every piece of 1980s corporate slop does. The quick dissonant turn perfectly mirroring countless such tonal maneuvers in countless commercials: one can easily imagine a housewife running out of detergent, an grandfather's knees giving out when attempting to climb up the stairs, a schoolboy suddenly realizing that he has bad breath, etc. when hearing this. And, indeed, it takes the likewise corporate "resolution" of this "tension" to stave off this vision. The song itself begins with what is effectively nothing, compositionally, it consists of nothing but being neatly, perfectly, arranged by the now common "quick cut" formula ubiquitous not only in televised commercials, but also in online entertainment: the "riffs" and "beats", if one can call them that, succeed one another exactly as shots of an American muscle car do in a commercial. Remarkably, the vocals are muffled and deliberately unintelligible exactly as they would have been had this song been part of an actual commercial. The lyrics, no doubt, would prove that the "Satan-as-ultimate-rebel" formula, which 80s "Metal" fans unquestionably repeat, is in actuality "Satan-as-ultimate-consumer". The first verse ending in a sustained shout-to-stable beat maneuver, likewise ubiquitous at or near the end of a commercial, when the product's price or some legally-mandated material is stated.
Anonymous No.127423872 >>127423888
>>127420867
lol retard zoomer youโ€™re making the classic mistake of trying to apply internet math to shit you werenโ€™t around forโ€ฆ

Millโ€™s liked nu-metal when they were teenagers. Gen xโ€™ers were into their 20โ€™s before nu metal even appeared. They were into grunge.

Freak on a leash and faith were carried by 12-year-oldโ€™s.
Anonymous No.127423888 >>127426719
>>127423872
That's not the story the Woodstock 99 footage tells us.

>t. millennial who was around for all of this
Anonymous No.127423907
A lot of the generational stereotyping/warring is just people trying to wash their hands of things and pass it off to younger people. Why no us Gen Xers didn't like attitude era WWF and Korn! We were perfect little angels who kept listening to Nirvana at the turn of the millennium and watched Daria all day.
Anonymous No.127423937 >>127424421
>>127419774
>>127420102
It is exactly this. Wigger hiphop
Know why white trash girls all fuck black men now? Because white trash males brought that shit to the white suburbs so what a surprise the white girls went looking for the real thing.
Anonymous No.127423940
>>127422955
clown world
Anonymous No.127424117
>>127423733
Compare them, then. Show me commercials featuring similar music. Tie it into Glam.
Anonymous No.127424136
>>127419594 (OP)
>Everyone from Iron Maiden to Paul Gilbert to Dave Mustaine was openly bitching about it constantly and even in extreme cases you had stuff like Zakk Wylde saying on television he was going to break Fred Durst's legs with a baseball bat.
>>127419697
>Yngwie used to call it "mall metal"
Aging 80s metal guys didn't like their replacements? I'm shocked. Iron Maiden is still cool but the rest of those guys are so gay they could probably combine with each other to form Faggotron. Nu Metal fucking rules.
Anonymous No.127424168
Nu-metal's not really metal in the traditional sense in the fact that nu-metal largely grew out of rap rock and grunge/post-grunge rather than metal itself, and it was merely considered metal for the reason that it generally employed heavily distorted guitars and riffs. Yeah, you can make some connections to groove metal but the groove metal link is tenuous at most. Nu-metal largely didn't employ the same structures you saw in nearly every metal genre prior. Riffs weren't harmonically complex and were instead built around drum patterns and vocals. Nu-metal was structured around hiphop rhythms and trends in 90s post-hardcore and alternative rock rather than a direct evolution of what metal was doing (like how every other metal genre is a direct evolution of something else within metal).
Anonymous No.127424418 >>127424464
>>127422152
>Eh, I'm fine with bad taste. At least it's a taste. Liberace had taste, it just wasn't necessarily good taste. Better than no taste.
The worst thing you can be is someone like Diana Ross who had no taste at all and was just an empty vessel for songwriters to feed songs into.
Anonymous No.127424421 >>127424597
>>127423937
>Know why white trash girls all fuck black men now? Because white trash males brought that shit to the white suburbs so what a surprise the white girls went looking for the real thing.
And Elvis doing black music was what now?
Anonymous No.127424442
>>127419594 (OP)
>why did nu-metal cause such immeasurable amounts of seethe from the metal establishment?

Just look at how they're dressed in that picture, no wonder why they got shit on by the older rock musicians.
Anonymous No.127424464
>>127424418
exactly that. i think Cuckgau even brings this up in a review of her. now much like Liberace you can make fun of someone like Teresa Brewer all day long but she did have a sound and a clear identity as a singer which DR...did not
Anonymous No.127424597
>>127424421
elvis never did jazz
Anonymous No.127424608
>>127419594 (OP)
Because they thought it was racist white boys were getting into the rap game in their own way
Anonymous No.127426016 >>127427089 >>127427407 >>127429524 >>127430084 >>127430354
Post actually good nu-metal albums.
Anonymous No.127426073
>>127419594 (OP)
Racism
Anonymous No.127426429 >>127426473 >>127426563 >>127426563
is there a difference between nu-metal and rap metal?
Anonymous No.127426454
If you think about the "nu" moniker and fact that it was part rap it makes sense
Anonymous No.127426473
>>127426429
Rap metal literally just means metal with rapping over it, so a lot of nu metal is rap metal, but most stuff that's labeled rap metal (without being labeled nu metal) overlaps heavily with crossover thrash, beatdown hardcore and groove metal and doesn't really have the alternative metal roots nu metal has
Anonymous No.127426483
All the rage only enhanced bizkits aura
Anonymous No.127426499
>>127420867
Hot dogs riff is dope though. It's not s complex song it's just fun
Anonymous No.127426507
>>127420898
Name one guitarist that achieved a sound like he did
Anonymous No.127426563
>>127426429
>>127426429
>rap metal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOywnWBtDQ0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xk62wY_cnLQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMoKK7BV2mc

>nu-metal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9e69s9Fspc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_hIojjA3A4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rvy2UKL9-8c
Anonymous No.127426672
>>127422901
I like both. They hit two very different realms of my ego
Anonymous No.127426719 >>127432091
>>127423888
Kids generally wouldn't be going to a Woodstock concert, and such a concert was more brand appeal than a matter of who was actually playing. Even as an older millennial, the numetal shit was geared to kids younger than me. I never knew one Gen Xer that actually listens to that shit.
Anonymous No.127426723 >>127426828
>>127419594 (OP)
It was a shitty commercial fad just like hair metal

Except hair metal hasn't been getting reappraisal by young people
Anonymous No.127426781
>>127423085
What mistake? Enjoying fun music?
Anonymous No.127426828
>>127426723
how come glam metal so bad and yet they had the best guitarists and singers ?
Anonymous No.127426853
Is this the most influential album to nu-metal?
Anonymous No.127427089 >>127427317 >>127429108
>>127426016
Anonymous No.127427317 >>127427353
>>127427089
Dope album. Perfect aggression. Get Some the track kills me
Anonymous No.127427353 >>127429418
>>127427317
That's not Dope but Snot
Anonymous No.127427407
>>127426016
Incubus - S.C.I.E.N.C.E.
Anonymous No.127429108
>>127427089
great album, too bad tragic ending
Anonymous No.127429402
>>127422955
Oof, must suck to be a white woman
Anonymous No.127429418
>>127427353
carlos.jpg
Anonymous No.127429425
>>127419684
/thread
Anonymous No.127429435
>>127423594
Manson DOES take himself seriously
Anonymous No.127429497
>>127419594 (OP)
>the metal establishment
old men were complaining about a new thing. guess they didnt realize metal was over after 1992 thanks to the record labels abandoning metal for grunge. nu metal was a late 90s fad that had a short shelf life.
Anonymous No.127429524
>>127426016
>temu slipknot
Anonymous No.127429572
>>127419594 (OP)
everyone hates wiggers
Anonymous No.127429651 >>127429690
>>127419594 (OP)
>Zakk Wylde saying on television he was going to break Fred Durst's legs with a baseball bat.
WHY IS METAL NOT THE WAY IT WAS WHEN I GREW UP, THE WORLD HAS TO STOP CHANGING NOW BECAUSE I SAID SO!!!!!!!!
Anonymous No.127429690 >>127429830
>>127429651
Go listen to Five Finger Death Punch if you want faggy posturing.
Anonymous No.127429760
downtuned riffs with no solos or dynamics is pretty boring and lame innit?
Anonymous No.127429820 >>127430153
lyrics were juvenile as fuck. you wanna compare Hed P.E. against basically any 70s hard rock group? come on.
Anonymous No.127429830
>>127429690
>if you want faggy posturing.
you could listen to guns n roses patience. why didnt the metal dudes insult the little twink axl? guns n roses was gay as fuck and not metal at all with all those faggy ballads
Anonymous No.127429987
>>127422955
new vegas chemfiend looking mfers
Anonymous No.127430084
>>127426016
Wisconsin Death Trip
Anonymous No.127430153
>>127429820
ah but you know how weird and almost sparse 70s rock sounded if you were a 00s kid and just assumed metal equalled a guy shouting over brickwalled chords with no solos
Anonymous No.127430188
Anthrax - I'm The Man

"...a comedy/novelty song that parodies the style of the Beastie Boys, and its main guitar riff is based on the melody of the Jewish folk song "Hava Nagila"[5] (guitarists Scott Ian and Dan Spitz, as well as all the members of the Beastie Boys, are Jewish); according to Charlie Benante, the song was meant to have the Beastie Boys as the MCs on the song, but scheduling conflicts prevented it, so the band performed the vocals themselves."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiHdr4rWG98
Anonymous No.127430194 >>127430263
>>127420898
>Durst reportedly met Van Halen at a party, during which a record-label executive suggested they team up together. As documented by Bennett, the Limp Bizkit vocalist was thrilled by the idea, and said: "That would be hilarious. The greatest guitar player ever plays with the worst band ever". In response, Van Halen said โ€œFuck it, letโ€™s jam.โ€ The pair met up at Durst's house in Beverly Hills and began jamming, although EVH soon found himself disappointed, and described the experience as like "being a scholar amongst kindergartners". Apparently, the session soon turned into a drug-orientated escapade, as the band started to smoke weed. As he wasn't a fan of the drug, Halen shortly left the jam, and accidentally left his musical equipment, such as his guitars and amps, behind him.

You heard it from the man himself.
Anonymous No.127430217
Nu metal really was just about being loud. It served a function when you were 15 and needed some aggressive wall of noise but there was no reason to listen to it beyond that.
Anonymous No.127430263
>>127430194
Nice clipping, but EVH objectively comes out looking like a huge unhinged faggot in the whole story.
Anonymous No.127430354
>>127426016
That's probably the best album in the genre if you exclude Tool
Anonymous No.127430372
unc moment come on cuh
Anonymous No.127430420 >>127432788 >>127432846
>>127419594 (OP)
Racism mostly. People forget how racist normie metal fans were in those days. Anything even remotely associated with black people ( disco, rap, nu metal) was automatically nigger trash.
Anonymous No.127431120
>>127419594 (OP)
Because it was a genre invented by americans and bongs claim they invented metal
Anonymous No.127431162
Nu-metal was good. The whiny histrionics of Linkin Park just made people unfairly write off the entire genre as shit.
Anonymous No.127431520
It's pretty funny that there actually is a really good possibility that Fred fucked peak Britney Spears
Anonymous No.127432091
>>127423594
>Ozzy's persona was retarded. A Marylin Manson who takes himself seriously.
No, what the hell. It's the opposite. Manson thinks what he's doing is really interesting and Bowie-like, while Ozzy knew he was a circus clown. Someone already (you)'d you and I'm doing it again because you need to watch an Ozzy video, he's clearly taking the piss, as the Bongs say.
https://youtu.be/j34juXrJWqw

>>127426719
>Even as an older millennial, the numetal shit was geared to kids younger than me. I never knew one Gen Xer that actually listens to that shit.
Depends on the band. I had some older cousins who liked Limp Bizkit and the Deftones. Linkin Park was for kiddos though.
Anonymous No.127432355
>>127423123
how do you even explain the stigma of selling out to someone under 30 lmao
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEKbFMvkLIc&list=RDAEKbFMvkLIc&start_radio=1
Anonymous No.127432788 >>127432846
>>127430420
did anybody threaten any members of anthrax for covering public enemy and going on a joint tour together?
Anonymous No.127432846
>>127430420
>>127432788
Anthrax gets more shit than the other Big 4 even though they're objectively better than Slayer and Scott Ian gets more "greedy Jew" comments than anyone else in spite of the fact that Hetfield, Mustaine, and Kerry King are objectively greedier, so it might actually be racism.