Thread 127434295

Mozart was the greatest melodist of the canon edition

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Hm based OP

https://youtu.be/LH2_0q5UnLw

>>127434295 (OP)
>Mozart was the greatest melodist of the canon edition
I prefer Schubert.

now playing

start of Schubert: Symphony No. 8 in B Minor, D. 759, "Unfinished"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRSRSdi4xUk&list=OLAK5uy_nJ-63p2gJNefsuB7PORdkz9vsD1KwG92k&index=2

start of Schubert: Symphony No. 9 in C Major, D. 944, "The Great"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0QrKjVcHoY&list=OLAK5uy_nJ-63p2gJNefsuB7PORdkz9vsD1KwG92k&index=3

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nJ-63p2gJNefsuB7PORdkz9vsD1KwG92k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-M9zHExmI-A&list=OLAK5uy_nNwC27kwjNdl9s35fd9KUY8bDm59qP_tA&index=20

damn, Shostakovich sounds like THAT??? :OO

Where do I buy classics? Do I just youtube to mp3?

>>127435311
You mean 'obtain' and not 'buy'? Soulseek. Torrent sites. I personally stream.

But yes, ripping from YouTube would be an option but I wouldn't necessarily recommend it. If you're gonna put in that kind of effort, and you specifically want your own digital library, then I'd go for the soulseek route because of superior audio quality and a better selection of specific performances/recordings of the piece, instead of just settling for whatever you get from ripping from YouTube.

>Today I will remind them

BAB
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>DAILY REMINDER
>DAILY REMINDER

IAA
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>Bach
>Machaut
>Ives
>Marais
>Buxtehude
>Stravinsky
>Reich
>Bartok

No Mozart, No Brahms, No Haydn, No Mahler
No Autistic Teutonic spirit shall oppress or taint the Gallic, Latin, and Slavic soul

>Your Romanticism
>My Foot
>Your Classicism
>My Fist

I will crush the Mozart enjoyers, and liberate the Chopin listeners with Vivaldi, Josquin, and Perotin

>Listening to Bach
>not listening to Mozart
>Listening to Marais
>Not listening to Haydn
>Listening to Ravel
>not listening to Mahler
>listening to Stravinsky
>not listening to Prokofiev or Shostakovich

Is there a better feeling in this world?

The Gulda cycle is no doubt high quality but it's too dry, objective, and aloof for my tastes. But I still don't wanna go in the full opposite direction this time around like I've been, so let's try Pollini's cycle of Beethoven's piano sonatas. Starting from the beginning as usual if anyone wants to join me,

Sonata No. 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0j4-kfQ1LKg&list=OLAK5uy_kEggyWYCrxEopdQsj_AwdkN28O7Ss2T-o&index=2

No. 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dSHMlKndUI&list=OLAK5uy_kEggyWYCrxEopdQsj_AwdkN28O7Ss2T-o&index=6

No. 3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVQ6RzQc6QE&list=OLAK5uy_kEggyWYCrxEopdQsj_AwdkN28O7Ss2T-o&index=10

No. 4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Apskq7wIhi0&list=OLAK5uy_kEggyWYCrxEopdQsj_AwdkN28O7Ss2T-o&index=13

Knowing Pollini, these will probably be technically flawless, interpretively straightforward performances. So after this one, or if I quit before finishing, I'll probably want to go for something more eccentric next, which makes Fazil Say's cycle the ideal one to listen to afterwards. In the meantime, let's go Pollini!

>>127434324
>piss tastes better than shit

where did this teen spammer come from

>>127435606
>honest anon is just telling the truth about Platonism, Shartzart, and other awful 18th-19th century composers
>he's a teen spammer

best Schubert Symphony cycle? Wand? Blomstedt? Muti?

>>127435635
can you use a name

>>127435699
nos. 8 & 9 is all you need.

>>127435718
That would make me easier to filter, so no. I'll stop spamming in October since that's when I'm going away.

>>127435724
best recordings?

>>127435752
Depends who you ask. Some would say >>127434947 so give it a try. The other ones you named, Blomstedt (both his S. Dresden and Gewandhaus versions; the latter if you want a slower tempo and placid approach) and Muti are good. Bohm is also one you should consider. For me, my personal favorites are Bernstein and Karajan, though I do frequently play the Blomstedt/Gewandhaus coupling when I want that style. Hell, I might listen to it right now...

Here's Bernstein/RCO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b95z-gfXpVg

Also I guess I'd be remiss if I didn't recommend Szell and Munch if you prefer the taut and exciting approach, but I prefer lavish and poetic myself.

>>127435752
Josef Krips

Opinions on the musicologist Charles Burney? Do his commentaries have merit?

>>127435378
Take out Bach then

>>127435736
where are you going?

rank every movement in beethoven's ninth symphony

mine: 2 > 1 > 4 > 3

>People trying to bait using Mozart's name as a scapegoat again
baka

Mozart

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NX124cXiVGY

Best Mahler 11?

best Myaskovsky 24?

>>127436526
I like the Yablonsky 24/25 coupling on Naxos, certainly better than the ones on the Svetlanov set, which are only just fine.

Dershavina!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miUxzEbKDBQ&list=OLAK5uy_lrxSOce_2wQm9SPm6DyU9rO86vhzf8_DI&index=1

>>127436408
3 > 2 > 1 > 4

Okay, brain, can we start enjoying pieces that aren't just solo piano again? I know I complained a couple months ago about our generally lukewarm reaction to solo piano music, and I appreciate you rectifying it, but I'm ready to listen to chamber and orchestral music again please.

>>127436570
Edit: Wow silver for this! Thanks kind stranger

best Bartok Violin Concert 1, 2, & Viola Concerto?

>>127436047
>how would like your early music performances senpai
>JUST fuck my shit up

>>127434295 (OP)
>Mozart was the greatest melodist of the canon edition

Close, but not quite. Melodists go in this order (objectively, this is not up to debate, never has been):

Chopin > Schubert > Tchaikovsky > Rachmaninoff > Mozart > every other composer. These 5 are the only composers who deserve the S tier spot, eveeything else goes into A, B and so forth. Let me repeat thar again because it is quite important:
>1. Chopin
>2. Schubert
>3. Tchaikovsky
>4. Rachmaninov
>5. Mozart
>6. Dvorak
>etc.

>>127436692
>chopin at top
immediately fucking stopped

>>127436783
Hyper uneducated and tasteless post.
Chopin wrote what Opera composers wish they could've written: most archingly beautiful arias that sing with bel canto
https://youtu.be/Y44JnN-tJgY?feature=shared&t=80

Chopin is, inarguably, high S tier melodist. He, Schubert and Tchaikovsky can fight for the 1st place all they want

>>127436692
>>127436796
so true chopincel

Hello, friends.

>>127436796
you are, inarguably, a retard
>tchaikovsky
another garbage choice
Schubert is the only decent one you mentioned, and not even top 10 (LOL)

>>127436814
Yes, true indeed. How could it NOT be? No composer in history has higher concentration of lyrical, highly expressive instrumental music with tonal, yet complex harmonic language.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwqypDy4O0A

>>127436845
Why are you baitposting, exactly?

>>127436896
>yet complex harmonic language.
This applies to e.g. his Cello Sonata and late works.

>>127434295 (OP)
maho more like my whore

Mahler? More like mall whore

>>127435407
i read beer and i literally have to go to the store now

>>127436551
Wow, this is a 10/10 if anyone feels like a new Goldberg Variations recording.

>>127437025
Pick up a tub of pork as well

>>127437057
>Bach on piano
>10/10
does not compute

>>127436551
Library music

>>127437085
there is a flat 0% chance Bach would have disapproved of playing his music on the piano

>>127437085
Here, go play with this for 2 hours
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBTjDAS2jYQ&list=OLAK5uy_nSmz_xHyCIEb_4jfxvLRDWODnGEyUZ_Jc&index=1

>>127437092
oh

>>127436692
That is the consensus, yes. Bach and Puccini are up there as well though.

>>127437105
>PUCCINI
the only fucking people who like Puccini are girls who liked broadway theatre and are first getting into classical through his operas because they sound like fancier Andrew Lloyd Webber

>>127437105
Bach wrote few melodies

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Q6N3eHH1B8&list=OLAK5uy_l2JNwO6hC3dESN3CTBehw1Za9fR2XMVm0&index=2

Greatest Bruckner 7

>>127437093
There is a 0% chance that matters

>>127437220
>20:50
>19:26

don't know why you'd want a recording of the 7th which rushes through two of the most beautiful movements in all of the symphonic repertoire, but you do you I guess

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqaQEsF55rg&list=OLAK5uy_l1y2Kl2kImDWiAoACBe95ubnSsj0tuiOE&index=1

>>127437245
The tempo is JUST perfect

>>127437259
I prefer to savor it, to wallow in it, to bathe in it.

>>127437233
Let me know what you think of >>127437097, I picked it out just for you

>>127437245
doing it slow kills the songlike quality especially in the slow movement

>>127437220
>>127437245
both wrong
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJtW1ZCBWHU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8r3GTOiejo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNbgi354qT8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sCpaDE01Vw

>>127437274
s'aigh

>>127437703
cool :)

>>127437245
He looks like a Jew playing a black man

>>127437220
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ms3wSbTE9Ko&list=OLAK5uy_loONW8xdRKBkHRP9WG3It7YYc8sSW47UM&index=2
kabasta

There's a Brahms fog but is there a Bruckner soup?

>>127438201
yes, it's got squash

>>127436634
anyone?

Hindemith

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>>127438835
Honegger looks like a young Hugh Jackman

>>127438201
No, you're thinking of the Sibelius gravy.

I really like this rondo. It makes me think of fox hunting for some reason.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RYG5goC3NHI&pp=ygUebW96YXJ0IGhvcm4gY29uY2VydG8gMSBob2d3b29k

>>127439430
Do you go fox hunting often?

>>127437220
good but his live one is even better
>>127437245
>don't know why you'd want a recording of the 7th which rushes through two of the most beautiful movements in all of the symphonic repertoire
because that isn't rushing at all, in fact, it's a bit slower than the tradition for that piece.

Walter is one of the conductors closest to the authentic Bruckner tradition and was conducting when Bruckner was still fucking alive. it's all the post-WW2 conductors that fucked Bruckner tradition up by performing it slower than molasses which is antithetical to the conception.

it's like wanting the Adagietto in Mahler's 5th played like a funeral piece when it was originally conceived of as a fleet love song. you can mess around with the tempo a bit but past a certain point it loses its original intent. which is fine in isolation, but these days there's a problem where NO ONE respects the original intent outside of a few conductors - and even then they're still slower than what it should be
>>127437268
you can do that at the appropriate tempo as well

>>127435752
mengelberg

>>127439495
yeah, for both of them no one else quite gets the excitement of the piece like he does

>>127439490
whaddya make of >>127437297

>>127439430
>It makes me think of fox hunting for some reason.

>>127439586
it isn't bad at all, but late Wand just leans too heavily into legato phrasing for my tastes

it's quite beautiful but i think Bruckner should have more accentuation

>>127437268
do you have a shell attached to your back and slide around as means of locomotion by any chance

>>127437171
stop posting on an art music thread if you don't even know how any of it works

Bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gF8Mxfw4EjE

>>127439828
It's true actually, Bach managed to write 1000 pieces without writing a single melody.

>>127439860
no he wrote a few

>>127439982
a few thousand

>In 1948 he took over the leadership of the famous Gesellschaft der Musikfreunde concerts in Vienna. Furtwangler was furious and refused to conduct there after that. It worked both ways. At a Bayreuth Meistersinger conducted by Karajan in 1951 the curtain was delayed for half an hour because Furtwängler was in the audience and Karajan would not mount the podium until he left the hall.
We need to bring back egotistical conductor feuds.

>>127440058
don't you think we've enough womanly attitudes in the performing arts already

>>127440080
Okay but both of them were legendary conductors.

>>127439982
Not melodies

>>127440098
So?

>>127440106
It drove them to greatness

>>127440102
Yes melodies.

>>127440110
You think cattiness is what made them great? Are you a woman?

>>127440080
I think there is something to be said for the autocratic conductors of the first half of the 20th century, they all had horrible personalities and were tedious to work with, but it's also what made their conducting so individual and their orchestras equally so. Szell was such a crazy weirdo he even had the orchestra's parking spots personally decided by him. These days conductors lack a certain kind of drive which strays them to mediocrity. Karajan and Furtwangler had silly spats precisely because they were both so good.

>>127440114
Every Bach piece is actually just one chord repeated every 15 seconds

>Heifetz was even remote from his children. In one of his rare interviews, given to Howard Taubman of The New York Times in 1968, he explained why he had not appeared in a New York solo recital for thirteen years: "I've had my share of touring. I have no further interest in that kind of career. And I can't say I admire the pace at which today's musicians travel. They move too fast; they play too often; they don't pause to reflect."
>Somebody once asked him why he had not written his autobiography, or why no biography of him had been written. "Here is my biography," answered Heifetz. "I played the violin at three and gave my first concert at seven. I have been playing ever since." At his eightieth birthday he disappeared from his Beverly Hills home; he did not want any celebrations or parties. A persistent newspaperman tracked him down, got him on the telephone, and demanded an interview. Heifetz refused. "I have nothing to say." "But, Mr. Heifetz," pleaded the interviewer, "the history of twentieth-century violin playing is your history." "I have nothing to say," repeated Heifetz, and he hung up.

>>127440125
>and I can't say I admire the pace at which today's musicians travel. They move too fast; they play too often; they don't pause to reflect.
based and true

>>127440120
>I think there is something to be said for the autocratic conductors of the first half of the 20th century
Yeah, that they were bitches

>In his biography of Tchaikovsky, the composer's brother Modest also recounted the following amusing anecdote which took place during that first visit by Saint-Saëns to Russia:

>"It turned out that the two new friends had many likes and dislikes in common, both in the sphere of music and in the other arts, too. In particular, not only had they both been enthusiastic about ballet in their youth, but they were also able to pull off splendid imitations of ballerinas. And so on one occasion at the Conservatory [in Moscow], seeking to flaunt their artistry before one another, they performed a whole short ballet on the stage of the Conservatory's auditorium: Galatea and Pygmalion. The 40-year-old Saint-Saëns was Galatea and interpreted, with exceptional conscientiousness, the role of a statue, whilst the 35-year-old Tchaikovsky took on the role of Pygmalion. N. G. Rubinstein stood in for the orchestra. Unfortunately, apart from the three performers no one else was present in the auditorium during this curious production" [2].

lmao

>>127440483
Oh, those goofy creatives from before the age of mass visual media.

>>127440483
>It turned out that the two new friends had many likes and dislikes in common
like boys

>>127438835
Hindebump
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwt2wOr5ZjY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrXbq1G3imY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmRo1yQoKWE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhC0flSAGeQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbEMI1gCnQk

early-to-mid 20th century conductors are overrated by virtue of being the first available in commercial recordings. they're mostly hacks
late 19th century conductors (Walter and Mengelberg for instance) are the real good ones

>>127440935
How would you know?

>>127440935
>are the real ones
how do you know

>>127440935
>by virtue of being the first available in commercial recordings
both Walter and Mengelberg fit that bill, or are you referring to stereo recordings? i agree that Walter and Mengelberg are both superior to the vast majority of conductors, but this seems like a weird statement

>>127440987
he's just trying to sound smart in a way he thinks people won't be able to call out

>>127440946
>>127440947
I listened to them
>>127440987
I was under the impression those very early conductors weren't as commercially pushed as the later group of Furtwangler and Klemperer

>>127438835
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDRMkYW7lFE
that last four-five minute run of te third movement was pretty heavy

>>127441025
>I listened to late XIX century conductors

>>127441025
>I was under the impression those very early conductors weren't as commercially pushed
Walter has some pretty early recordings, he was one of the first recorded conductors, along with Stokowski. Mengelberg was one of the most heavily recorded conductors of his day, he even had a few films made. They were both pretty heavily commercialized for their day. Furtwangler's commercialization mostly came after the war, he hated making recordings, so they bulk of them are live and unauthorized. Klemperer had some early recordings, but, again, bulk of it was after WW2.

>>127438835
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWcXVMheFh0
hell of a first movement

best Mendelssohn cycle?

>>127441155
Don't know about cycles, but Herbert von Karajan w/ Berliner Philharmoniker is the best for 3, 4 & 5, and Abbado w/ London Symphony Orchestra for Lobgesang

>>127441155
Dohnányi

I listened to Mahler's 10th in full for the first time (Cooke completion and Daniel Harding) and I'm not sure what to think of it. The final movement seems weirdly sparse for Mahler and I didn't really understand the middle movements, but I think it works for effect, the subject matter being his impending death and all. What do you all think?

>>127441217
I think incomplete works should be left incomplete unless the composer expressedly asked for someone to complete it after their death

>>127441228
Well it's been completed and the recordings are out there, not like we can put that toothpaste back in the tube lol.

>>127441250
No, but you asked what I thought.

Wagner
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QjodlxRxa8

>>127441031
>>127441142
are-- is that a good thing? I hope so

>>127441871
>is that a good thing
yeah

>>127441871
Hindemith's stupid joke isn't funny and it's getting more unfunny each time you post it.
>dude, what if.. we perform a famous piece of music... badly!

>>127442164
Sorry, I can't hear you. Could you cry louder?

>accidentally pressed 1 on the keyboard while listening to bruckner's 7th on youtube
>can't remember where I was up to

>Up next is mozFart stinky dinky symphony no. 39 in E flatulence followed by Braaaaaap Concerto in P(ee) minor

Do Shartzart listeners really?

>>127442216
How do you not remember? You could just start the movement over again.

>>127442224
>Glory to god for all things no. 10000
Bachchads stay on top

>>127442216
That's what you get for using youtube instead of listening to actual files on an actual player

>>127442247
And we stay winning

Mozart gives me the ick,

As does Brahms, Mahler, Handel, early-middle Beethoven, Dvorak, Bruckner, Chopin, Schumann, Strauss II, Hindemith, Schoenberg, Reger, Berg, Webern, Tchaikovsky, Boulez, Stockhausen, Haydn, Bruch, Salieri, Clementi, and Sibelius

That is all

>Well, I wish you good night, but first,
>Shit in your bed and make it burst.
>Sleep soundly, my love
>Into your mouth your arse you'll shove.

>Mozart's canon "Leck mich im Arsch" K. 231 (K6 382c) includes the lyrics:

>Addio, ben mio. Keep well, my love.
>Into your mouth your arse you'll shove.
>I wish you good night, my dear, but first,
>Shit in your bed and make it burst.

Need I say more Shartzart lovers?

Just stop listening to Mozart, there is no hidden genius in his music, just shit, piss, and cock fucking nonsense that no straight man would be caught dead listening to, HE WORE A WIG AND MAKEUP, HE'S GAY CAN'T YOU SEE IT?

HE ATE SCHNITZEL OUT OF HIS WIFES UNWIPED ASSHOLE!

>average BABIAA listener

We will disarm and murder every 18th-19th century heretic that would put on a Mozart Piano concerto or Chopin Nocturne

We are the Mockers of Mozart
We put a chokehold on classicism

We are the Cuckolders of Chopin
We are the Rapists of Romantics

We are the murderers of Mahler
We strike fear in ever pretentious and Neurotic writer of 1 hour symphonies

>>127442329
>1 hour symphonies
They're an hour and a half actually anon

>>127442285
How do you feel about Wagner?

>>127442360
Begone R*manfic

>>127442379
it's a c-tier troll "persona" that's only here to spam for a while, what kind of reply do you think you'll get

>>127442379
>pic related
Rossini also had a fantastic quote about him as well

>BRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAP
>BRAAAP BRAAAP
>BRAP
>BRAP

I've been working on "E lucevan le stelle" from "Tosca." What do anons think of my work so far? He's given me some annoying vowels so I'm focusing on intonation right now. I think the F#s are the hardest, the sit right on the edge of my passagio.

https://files.catbox.moe/313erd.m4a

>>127442379
Perhaps one of the greatest composers to ever live, in my opinion. His knowledge of how to write for the voice was equaled by precious few.

>>127442447
>His knowledge of how to write for the voice was equaled by precious few.
Not many people praise Wagner's vocal writing but after hearing Italians sing him in hiss recordings I'm started to agree with this.

>>127442447
pretty good anon

You have 10 seconds to explain why you aren't listening to French Classical music right now

>Doesn't take itself to seriously like the Germans
>Not overly dramatic like the Italians
>not as Firetruck as the Russians
>more substantial than the Spanish
>mogs the English tradition

>>127442475
If you've reached the adequate technical threshold, his music is extremely easy to sing. Learning it can be a challenge, but if you know how to play the piano, the chord progressions underneath make it much simpler. He understood how long his operas were, and expected more endurance from his singers than virtuosity. His music has a a reputation for being loud, but you'll rarely find a dynamic marking higher than ff.

>>127442502
Thanks! I hope I can improve more in the future.

>>127442616
that's one of the problems with a lot of modern Wagner singers, they simply sing way too loud

Wagner should be closer to conversational imo, i mean you listen to those old Melchior/Flagstad recordings and they really don't sing very loud at all

>>127442640
that would make for a real quite orchestra though wouldn't it

>>127442672
orchestra sizes are a big bigger than they used to be in Wagner's day, but that's why they're in an opera pit usually

and if you're performing in Bayreuth the orchestra is quite a bit more quiet than usual, as the pit is deeper than normal. still doesn't stop them from screaming with wobbly vibrato all over the place

>>127442640
Agreed. At the end of his career, Melchior had basically only one volume, but as a younger man he was capable of incredible subtlety. If you're singing Wagner you're going to be louder than the average person, there's no getting around that. But he demands dynamic contrast and gives singers all the tools they need to accomplish it. Very rarely are you fighting against the whole orchestra; the texture is quite light for most of any given aria/section.

>>127442672
Wagnerian singers are much louder than normal singers, with powerful formants that the instruments don't have. The orchestra is larger than normal, but the vocalist's voice will cut through it far easier. Just listen to any orchestral section of his and I guarantee they get as quiet as pp.

>>127442616
>his music is extremely easy to sing
What about some of the dynamic extremes in the big parts like Brunnhilde or Siegfried?

I just think the point should be the instruments. Why not write it all a cappella otherwise, or write for a chamber orchestra

>>127442693
>At the end of his career, Melchior had basically only one volume
yeah, Schonberg wrote in his volume on Melchior that he got really lazy due to his innate talent. basically not even bothering to show up to rehearsals, sometimes only showing up for the performance

Grainger

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i15nhm_8hw4

>>127442745
Grainger's take on 'What do you do with a drunken sailor':

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvJUXXnE1lc

>>127442769
>Scotch Strathspey and Reel makes use of melody from the sea-shanty What Shall We Do with a Drunken Sailor? along with six Scottish and Irish folksongs which are skillfully interwoven. Writing about Scotch Strathspey and Reel in a program note, Grainger suggests that:

>"If a room full of Scotch and Irish fiddlers and any nationality of chanty-singing deep-sea sailors could be spirited together and suddenly miraculously endowed with the gift of polyphonic harmonic free improvisation enjoyed for instance by South Sea Island Polynesians, a rather merry babble of tune, harmony and rhythm would result."

>With Scotch Strathspey and Reel (1924), it is interesting to note how many Celtic dance tunes there are that are so alike in their harmonic schemes (however diverse they may be rhythmically and melodically) that any number of them can be played together at the same time and mingle harmoniously. Occasionally a sea-chanty will fit in perfectly with such a group of Celtic tunes. The underlying tune in the strathspey is Marquis of Huntley and in the reel The Reel of Tulloch (Thulichan). Of the other tunes employed in the strathspey a Scotch tune was quoted to Grainger by the painter Hugo Rumbold, and the Irish tunes are Nr. 983 and Nr. 319 in The Complete Petrie Collection of Irish Music, edited by Charles Villiers.

>>127442769
a song about sailors administering physical punishment on eachother, hmmm
>Before leaving Frankfurt, Grainger had fallen in love with Kwast's daughter Mimi.[16] In an autobiographical essay dated 1947, he says that he was "already sex-crazy" at this time, when he was 19.[17] John Bird, Grainger's biographer, records that during his Frankfurt years, Grainger began to develop sexual appetites that were "distinctly abnormal"; by the age of 16 he had started to experiment in flagellation and other sado-masochistic practices, which he continued to pursue through most of his adult life. Bird surmises that Grainger's fascination with themes of punishment and pain derived from the harsh discipline to which Rose had subjected him as a child.

>>127442820
He was a crazily manic personality, it makes sense that he would be a sadomasochist. IIRC there was one account of when he was in Norway visiting Grieg he would have to daily bathe in the ice-cold river to temporarily relax his nerves.

>>127442875
Falls quite a bit short of healthy wouldn't you say

>>127442875
a lot of Australians are like that i.e. "fucked in the head"

>>127443058
It's the heat

>>127443082
Nordic people are overstimulated and driven crazy by Australia's hot, sunny, and desolate moonscape.

I would know.

>>127442918
On the contrary, this is just super-healthy. His father boasted that he had the vitality to get through seven whores in a single night and his mother insisted on being tied to the mast of a ship to have the exhilarating experience of observing a storm when sailing overnight.

>>127443134
yeah none of that sounds unhealthy at all, you're right

>>127442698
The way volume works in singing is paradoxical. You get the most volume when you let go and allow your body to make the sounds it wants to make. That being said, there are places in every opera where you're going to give it that last little push to take it over the top. But these places are few and far between.

>>127442741
I recall reading that he would sometimes fall asleep during the immolation scene, and the soprano had to sing over the sound of him snoring lol.

>>127443243
>The way volume works in singing is paradoxical.
I didn't mean with volume, I meant with things like those occasional really high notes. My understanding of these big Wagner parts was that over very long distances there's a lot of variety in the voice required.

>>127443290
I wasn't certain what you meant, sorry. The post I replied to specified "dynamic extremes." High notes are harder to sing than middle notes, of course, but there are proscribed ways of making them easier. I can speak with authority on this (at least, for tenors) because I'm actually in the process of learning how to properly sing his music.

One of the most common leaps you'll hear is E to A. For a tenor, A really isn't that high of a note. It's high enough to require technical excellence, but not so high as to significantly tax the voice when done correctly. Compare this to Verdi and Puccini, who will commonly write Bs and Cs to make the tenor show off his range. Rossini even wrote Ds! I know off the top of my head that roles such as Lohengrin, Tannhäser and Siegmund never sing above A, and I believe Siegfried sings a C on only two occasions (I could be wrong, don't quote me on this). Steuermann sings a B-flat, but that's not really a Heldentenor role. The "skill check" in these operas isn't if you can sing extremely high notes, but rather, if you can sing somewhat high notes with extreme consistency. In fact, the way Wagner is sung, it's easier to leap from an E to an A, rather than to climb up stepwise. If you have any other questions, or if I wasn't clear enough, please ask me. I'm very passionate about Wagner and singing in general.

>>127442141
Glad to hear it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5EoRR3-YRc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9HSmRM8TYg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZES-08ChcCA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzbuDihi2EU

>>127443442
That's been a very informative post anon, thank you for this. I was wondering, how do you feel about the whole 'Bayreuth bark' debate? I.E. to what degree Wagner should be sung legato.

>>127436824
What is the expression of the dude in the back meant to convey?

>>127443962
unbridled carnal desire

>>127442745
>>127442769
>>127442818
Why do so many Aussies have that dopey look?

>>127443986
>>127443082

>>127443986
see: >>127443133

>>127436824
Jesus fucking Christ. is the rumor that Dave is in a relationship with a black guy legit?

>>127443728
No problem anon!
>how do you feel about the whole 'Bayreuth bark
It ought to be somewhere in the middle imo. The way I'm learning it, you need to preserve some of the legato you see in Italian music, but the consonants need to be somewhat percussive. Wagner wrote his libretti with this in mind. Using consonants like this allows you to make vocal jumps very easily, and preserve the rich, baritonal quality. My teacher described it as "like a parachute opening." Sorry if this isn't a great answer, but the issue is very nuanced. There are lines I sing very legato, and lines when I focus on the consonants. I want that percussiveness, and the feeling of the air in my chest, but if I lose the legato entirely, the music becomes artless, in my opinion. If I had to sum it up in one sentence, I'd say that both of these styles are no more than tools in your toolbox. The more tools, the better.

>>127441217
I love it.

>Cast in five movements the Tenth Symphony, even in the state it was left by Mahler, emerges with an extraordinary sense of structural balance. More so than that of the Ninth. Two Adagios frame two Scherzos, which themselves frame a strange, tiny, achingly descriptive intermezzo marked "Purgatorio" at the very centre. We walk with death-haunted nostalgia in the first movement. Then through rather forced happiness in the second movement. On to Purgatorial unease in the third and tragic bitterness in the Fourth movement. At last we arrive at a series of "death knell" drum strokes ushering in the remarkable last movement. Here the work's darker elements are reviewed and explored until terror from the first movement is recalled before serenity and heart's ease is won at last. Deryck Cooke had this to say about the work in general and why it is vitally important we consider it in the form it was left: "It shows clearly that Mahler, far from plunging further into preoccupation with death, was moving towards a more vitally creative attitude... there was still plenty of life in him when death claimed him... the Ninth Symphony had been a phase, like the Sixth, which he had faced and overcome." So the Tenth Symphony gives us a further chapter in the autobiographical "novel" in music that was Mahler' life's work. What is being mapped in this work is Mahler's own state of mind. Especially under the pressure in 1910 from his tempestuous marriage which, at that particular time, was under the greatest strain of its short life. Exclamations of his torments litter the score's pages.

I don't see it as being about death. The adagio always makes me feel nostalgia.

>>127442216
lol

>>127443986
He doesn't look dopey to me.

>>127444159
Grainger definitely appears to be spaced out on drugs in that pic and a lot of Australians really do have that "look".

>>127444220
Name one other Australian with it.

>>127444108
That's a great explanation. I am very greedy, so I must ask one more question, how much vibrato do you use, and do you factor it into your considerations of historical authenticity? It's another one of those topics that I've seen endless debate around.

>>127444414
It's no problem at all, you're asking great questions. In terms of vibrato, I consider vibrato an inextricable part of my voice, just as much as timbre or tone. While I can modify my vibrato, I consider that to be a "special effect" of sorts. It's a technique I can use at special moments to add a little extra something to a note, but not something that I want to use for the majority of a song. For instance, I love the music of Schubert. When I'm performing "Erlkönig" I darken my voice artificially to make the voice of the "father" and lighten it for the voice of the "son." Altering my vibrato would be a "special effect" similar to that.

People can debate as much as they want about historical performance conventions, but vibrato is a desirable aspect of the voice, and not only because it's what the modern audience expects. When singing with correct technique, vibrato happens naturally, and helps you stay on pitch. I'm disinclined to fight against what my body is doing naturally. If someone wants to change their vibrato for historical accuracy they can, but I never would.

>>127444702
Very interesting answer. Thank you for these explanations. One day I might ask some more questions. (:

>>127444290
Bryan Brown.

now playing

Prokofiev: Sonata for Piano No. 1 in F minor, Op. 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJquef7PGcM&list=OLAK5uy_n5BlcUa0-IYI9_NebOB37VZt-1TWlw2nQ&index=29

start of Prokofiev: Piano Sonata No. 2 in D Minor, Op. 14
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htCeHK0RR9M&list=OLAK5uy_n5BlcUa0-IYI9_NebOB37VZt-1TWlw2nQ&index=30

Prokofiev: Piano Sonata No. 3 in A Minor, Op. 28 "From Old Notebooks"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeMGvmoQqoE&list=OLAK5uy_n5BlcUa0-IYI9_NebOB37VZt-1TWlw2nQ&index=34

start of Prokofiev: Piano Sonata No. 4 in C minor, Op. 29
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNhqMepJIgo&list=OLAK5uy_n5BlcUa0-IYI9_NebOB37VZt-1TWlw2nQ&index=34

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_n5BlcUa0-IYI9_NebOB37VZt-1TWlw2nQ

One of the essential Prokofiev piano sets.

Perahia's Bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWFJZE3NNmo&list=OLAK5uy_lYWAqxBHWJsVQtpQtuNO_VhqINehf6n8M&index=14

>>127444732
Hopefuly I'm still here when you want to ask them. Have a good day!

>>127445259
>Hopefuly I'm still here when you want to ask them.
damn, cancer?

>>127445267
Oh no, nothing like that! This is my first time posting in these threads. I meant that if I post here again, I'd like to talk to you again as well.

now playing

start of Vaughan Williams: A London Symphony "Symphony No. 2" (1920 Version)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vJE0wuDMtM&list=OLAK5uy_m8USPxtyKWnphHs_180B_D8BB3sPfaeAQ&index=2

Vaughan Williams: Sound Sleep
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvwGomGr710&list=OLAK5uy_m8USPxtyKWnphHs_180B_D8BB3sPfaeAQ&index=6

Vaughan Williams: Orpheus with His Lute
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pInvEzvOZIU&list=OLAK5uy_m8USPxtyKWnphHs_180B_D8BB3sPfaeAQ&index=7

Vaughan Williams: Variations
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipBucTTihAM&list=OLAK5uy_m8USPxtyKWnphHs_180B_D8BB3sPfaeAQ&index=7

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_m8USPxtyKWnphHs_180B_D8BB3sPfaeAQ

Tired of the old-school sets of Vaughan Williams' symphonies, so I'm gonna revisit the two of the more recent quality ones: Andrew Manze/Royal Liverpool and Martyn Brabbins/BBC, from which I'm listening now. There's also the recent one by Sir Mark Elder but, as per usual with Elder and his genteel Englishman ways, that one is a snoozefest, a bland, reticent affair stripped of all passion and fire, like performing the entire cycle as a pastoral. I'll probably revisit that one eventually too, provided I can make it through without falling asleep, as I've done on many occasion.

>>127445281
well, not that other anon, but I wanna say I appreciate your knowledgeable and informative contribution to the discussion and general.

>>127444702
Did you post the Schubert song the other day here on vocaroo?

>>127444290
Steve Irwin

>>127444290
Pick an Australian Bookie or Jockey randomly, and they will surely have the same eyes.

V.W S to M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9aTMRCb5zc&list=RD-hjpoB967Tw&index=2&ab_channel=RoyalNorthernSinfonia-Topicw

Sounds like the Mask

scriabi :3

>>127441228
What about Bruckner's 9th? He suggested to play it with Te Deum if he didn't finish the final movement

>>127442216
Can't imagine. I basically got the whole thing memorized

>>127446259
Letocart's completion is good enough anyway

Mozart

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k25V9yktWcs

>>127446297
Wrong link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hLKhhsNW2A

>>127446278
Why specifically letocarts? What does he do special?

Besides, Te Deum is Bruckner's greatest work and with it the ninth becomes the greatest piece in the canon. It's the best completion

>>127446324
>What does he do special?
the coda
also
>ending a d minor symphony in C

>>127446437
>>ending a d minor symphony in C
Nobody fucking cares where the symphony ends except autists

>>127446278
i find it kind of cringe and it has a bunch of unnecessary quotes from the other symphonies

the only decent one is the latest SPCM version which is still not that great but relatively acceptable if you want the complete version. performing without the finale is still the ideal way to hear the piece imo

>>127446492
>performing without the finale is still the ideal way to hear the piece imo
No, that is retarded. Te Deum is the finale Bruckner himself intended, that is the final movement of the symphony full stop

>>127441217
but I think it works for effect, the subject matter being his impending death and all. What do you all think?

If that’s true then it works much better thematically for it to be cut off after 1 movement

>>127446567
1. he ALLEGEDLY intended
2. those same witnesses claiming he suggested it claim he still wanted to find a way to transition into the te deum organically, so even then simply playing the te deum after the dagio would not have been his solution
3. this was all a suggestion he made in case he couldn't complete the finale, which was still his priority and intended conclusion to the symphony. It's all an alleged "plan B"

>>127446755
Okay, and did he finish the finale? No. Did he make a transition into Te Deum? No, therefore Te Deum is just the final movement. Case closed, no need to make it this retarded for the sake of it

>>127441217
the Cooke completion is famously sparse out of respect for Mahler. try another one. Jesus Lopez Cobos conducted Mazzetti's second completion and takes faster tempos throughout. Feels more like a general symphony then, than a specific reflection on death

Although Bach did write a small handful of melodies of note he was generally regarded as a poor melodist. Ironically what he was best know for was not unlike what Jacob Collier does reharmonizimg existing tunes

>>127446770
>and did he finish the finale?
no, but other people did (and he mostly did, it's like 80% complete), and considering his priority was HAVING the finale, a completion of it takes priority over the Te Deum

>>127446786
It's not Bruckner's finale, therefore Te Deum it is

what is the best recording of Bruckner 9?

>>127447095
Karajan, Giulini (both Chicago and Vienna), Bernstein, and Rattle for a completion

>>127447095
beinum.

>>127447125
which karajan? Vienna?

what is the worst recording of Bruckner 9?

>>127447156
>>127447125
>(both Chicago and Vienna)
fuck i missed that part, nevermind

>>127447158
celibidache to all.

best Bruckner 9 + Te Deum?

>>127447125
>Karajan
decent
>Giulini
too slow
>Bernstein
lol
>Rattle
there are better completion options now

>>127447197
Jochum

>>127447156
>>127447169
There is no Karajan/Vienna 9th. However, there are indeed two, both with the BPO: the 1966 one which is a standalone release on DG and then the one from 1976 which is the one included in the complete cycle DG boxset. The 1976 is a bit better but it's close.

Giulini also has two and both are worth checking out. The difference is even more stark than with Karajan, and which you prefer will depend on your own preference.

>>127447205
The Bernstein Bruckner 9th is one of the best things he ever did desu

>too slow
We ain't talkin' Maazel's or Celibidache's.

>>127447250
>We ain't talkin' Maazel's or Celibidache's.
almost 30 minutes for both the first and last movement for a symphony that was traditionally performed closer to 20 minutes is too slow, 25-26 minutes for both of those movements is the upper limit, maybe 27 for the finale if you want to really stretch it out for Bruckner's last word

>>127447197
I would do it with Karajan's or Barenboim's (I like Barenboim's BPO 9th better but his Te Deum is with Chicago, so for consistency of sound, you should do his Chicago 9th which is still really good).

Or if you want to ascend to Heaven, there's always pic...

>>127447274
>that was traditionally performed
I'm going to go lay back down now. I just care what sounds good.

>>127447293
me too, that's why i like Bruckner the way it was intended to sound in his day

Most average Bruckner 9?

>>127447309
it'd be harder to name the ones that aren't average

>>127446259
>What about Bruckner's 9th?
though incomplete it's accidentally perfect, so no completion necessary

>>127447095
nevermind >>127447125 >>127447137
The actual answer is Marek Janowski w/ the Orchestre de la Suisse Romande
>>127447158
your favourite

>>127447250
>There is no Karajan/Vienna 9th
yes there is, there is also a 1976 one with Vienna

>>127447095
pic related
>>127447158
any where the adagio takes over 25 minutes

I would rather kill myself than listen to Celibidache, let alone his fucking Bruckner

>>127447197
Walter

>>127447250
>>127447653
this is the other one

>>127447095
Kabasta
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fy4qS7JwZPw

>>127447669
>>127447534
>>127447137
>>127447125
>>127447743
>>127447705
>>127447653
>>127447815

Too many; make up your mind and choose one. This is an order.

>>127447825
Cobra
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkZPJ73DDEM

>>127447889
breddy cool

No What to Seliger Tod? Does anyone know?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-AyObhHRKY&list=RDW-AyObhHRKY&start_radio=1

>>127448062
maho more like my whore

>>127448023
What?

>>127448153
It's called No 2 Seilger Tod.

I'm just wondering what he's saying no to? What was Seliger Tod asking?

>>127448208
k

best Bruckner 4?

>>127448225
Radio-Sinfonie-Orchester Frankfurt - Eliahu Inbal
everyone else will be wrong

best Bruckner 5?

>>127448261
Eugen Jochum, Staatskapelle Dresden
everyone else will be wrong

>>127448261
Sawallisch or Jochum/Dresden

>>127448268
also applies to 6 before you ask

>>127448239
>first version
stop trolling
>>127448261
Sinopoli
are we really doing this again?

>>127448284
>stop trolling
Stop being so emotionally and intellectually stunted

>>127448261
>>127448225
Eugene Ormandy, everything else is wrong objectively and factually on every level

>>127448289
le epic 4chan edge

>>127448225
Böhm.

>>127448298
>You are right, and that hurts me, so I will default to buzzwords
Grow a heart, a soul, a brain, and a pair

>>127448239
You don't see covers like that anymore.

>>127448817
>like that
like what, what is it like

>>127448864
it's like a like a picture of Buckner which is like a bill bored and latters and shit

so just to be clear, IS there a Karajan/Vienna Bruckner 8 or not?

>>127448317
a pair of what? vaginas?

>>127448985
oh

>>127448317
anon your posts are borderline senseless

>>127449042
>>127449155
Be quiet

Hindemith to the rescue
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVILwgb4o38
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xW-Epghdzjo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seWlG50y-so

>>127447743
>>127447653
o well i'll be

>>127447825
Different flavors for every preference.

>>127449028
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfTHMMdqM-Q

>>127450415
I said this is an order. Now duke it out.

>>127450438
>>127449028
fuck, i meant 9

>>127450536
Yeah I suppose there is, the other anon proved me wrong. That said, when people recommend Karajan's Bruckner 9, they're talking about one of the two versions with the BPO, usually the one from the 70s that's included on the complete cycle box set.

Just to clarify: We are all in agreement that Abbado is the best Mahler interpreter, right?

>>127450567
I listen to as many recordings as I need to in order to find the one that speaks for the work the best. You stick to sucking off some shriveled AIDS ridden Italian micromanager’s micropenis.

>>127450583
Is that a yes?

>>127450567
If it works for you.

>>127450607
I'm not an employer

what is the best recording of Abbado?

>>127450567
Which recording of the 2nd do you think is his best? I tried his Lucerne once but found it dry and dull, but I'm willing to give it another chance if that's your answer. Hurwitz thinks his first Chicago recording is his best by far.

>>127450640
His Bruckner 9

And now we've come full circle :)

Kidding but this 9th is pretty solid

>>127450650
His best is the one where it's actually Michael Gielen with the South West German Radio Symphony Orchestra

>>127450672
>Gielen's Mahler
::eyeroll::

>>127450683
yeah it makes my eyes roll with pleasure too

>>127450688
Isn't his Mahler overly objective? I prefer more emotion, sensitivity, and color. But fine, I will give it a try tonight instead of one of Abbado's.

>>127450711
I'm gonna be so honest with you, I can't begin to imagine what "overly objective" may mean
>instead of one of Abbado's
I'm not necessarily an Abbado hater but judging by the general animosity this general has towards him I tink you're probably making the right choice

Hindemith

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVpxEuVHvEw&list=PLEhQ5Ooc2lLoY2yWL0w-29hzPPDt-510Y&index=17

ugh peak autism

Bruckner=build up crescendo slop

>>127450726
>someone other than me posting Hindemith
bro what are you doing

>>127445473
No, that wasn't me. What song was posted?

>>127445328
Oh, thank you! Perhaps I'll stick around and post some more. I would say that I have deep knowledge of vocal music, but outside of that my knowledge is little more than surface level.

>>127450725
>I'm gonna be so honest with you, I can't begin to imagine what "overly objective" may mean

>>127450807
Alright, I understand. I don't think I agree with that analysis, but it makes sense.

>>127450807
>I'm not necessarily an Abbado hater but judging by the general animosity this general has towards him I tink you're probably making the right choice
The source of most of this general's disparaging of Abbado is because of his popularity, he's the ultimate basic, entry-level conductor who interpretively occupies a well-executed middle-ground, and lacks many of the depths and distinctive elements favored by those who'd argue about recordings.

>>127450891
...which means that he probably made the right choice, I'd say

>>127450744
It was Erlkönig. Going to bed now, but it was in the last 10 or so days so shouldn't be hard to find if you're curious. No one responded to him except me so he probably left :(
Would be fun to see more people recording their performances and posting em here.

>>127450881
Plus the fact his performance is paired with Schoenbug and Kurtag kinda says it all about where he lies on the interpretive scale lol. Anyway, here we go!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iRwbfYJ604&list=OLAK5uy_mUx_t0MJvBMwzJNH5UIuRjhgS4eY0gY70&index=1

Stockhausen edition next or I'm not posting.

>>127450945
thank you RYMsister

>>127450927
It's strange, because the only other work conducted by him that I've listened to is Szymanowski's Stabat Mater (tellingly, another religious piece), and I was blown away and captivated by the depth and emotion of the interpretation. And Szymanowski was famously very expressionist and emotionally charged during that period

>>127450945
win/win

>>127450807
>>127450927
oh god i'm feeling aLieNaTeD

>>127450567
hahahaha

>>127451010
Is that a yes?

>>127451015
no

>>127451028
....or is it

>>127451015
you didn't answer >>127450650

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