Thread 127489721

Paul Hindemith edition

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHo8igW6qb8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAAmPNV_4B4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGsSeAhVMTA
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZkX9huvKw0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6wK7BV0su4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpgYJhpcL8s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7c8SFS9Lxk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qS--K3dPHzY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vx9itohCcBk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-NZS9DrY4Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6p3NQ1_wvc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPgmUji_bBM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWcXVMheFh0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_YrDOH9ECg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhyQH8inhH0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGgW0wF96Ec
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-dbA56Dl4s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntj3YQdzRac
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4j1-sy1Q7T4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_Iwqb5NxQM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGPIGMeEObA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoDBxrMrBgw

This thread is for the pseudo-intellectual discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.

>How do I get into classical?
This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:

https://rentry.org/classicalgen

Previous: >>127475534

You'll get your fucking Debussy general next time, idiot

Reminder Bach and after, before and not including Ives

>>127489814
a.k.a. common practice

>>127489814
>>127489833
Hmmm, no... It's more "everything that's ever done, except Ives", right? I'm fine with that

>>127489843
>ever done
ever been* done

so, how about that Kreps fellow?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=guSD3sGxFLk
to be fair I didn't know he was a composer, I thought he was in biochemistry

BAB
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>DAILY REMINDER
>DAILY REMINDER

IAA
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brb going for some tobacco

>not listening to the court of Louis XIV
>going a single day without hearing Viola Da Gamba
>No St. Colombe
>Liking Mozart

>BRAAAAAAAAAAAP
>BRAAAAAAAAAP

Welcome to the general, trannyspammer! Hindemith is very much Ives-and-after so I'm sure you'll have plenty of wonderful music to check out!

Remember, not all Romantic composers are bad, but all bad composers do tend to be Romantic

Except Classical, every Classical composer is bad.
Below are acceptable Romantics

Liszt(late)
Any of the Russian Five
Grieg
Franck
Tarrega
Alkan
John Field
Chabrier

>>127490023
Hindemith is awful, maybe after my bowel movement is more fitting

>>127490037
ok Mozart

>>127490042
Even worse, if your going to suggest some after 1750 music maybe start with certain Beethoven pieces or John Field

>>127490037
>Hindemith is awful
You haven't listened to a single note

>>127489833
common practice is Pachelbel and after, Reger and before. (PAA RAB)

>>127490063
A single note of his is worse than anything you think I listen to is awful

>>127490056
I was going along with the spammer's mofart joke. In your case, why not some Rode or Dussek?

is there anything more comfy than going to sleep while listening to Sibelius?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVo4ORl4wa8&list=OLAK5uy_lRiVno7ZFDDAzCWRA8If-Q0NwRZRLflhc&index=28

>>127490074
your incommensurable loss but suit yourself I guess, spammer

>>127490086
I agree with the sentiment, but not sure THAT's the symphony I'd choose for that. 3, 4, 6, 7, even Tapiola

>>127490098
Fair point. I would counter with in that Maazel/Pittsburgh cycle, all of the symphonies are soporific :p in a good way, of course

STOP, YOU VIOLATED THE LAW
PAY THE COURT A FINE OR SERVE YOUR SENTENCE PLEB

OR LET US KNOW WHAT MUSICAL TRANSGRESSIONS YOU HAVE COMMITED AGAINST THE PATRICIAN FOLK OF /CLASSICAL/ SUCH AS CLT, TALLIS, AND CELEBES

Name them anons, what shameful classical pieces have you been listening to?

>>127490111
There is no guilt, there is no shame

>>127490089
No thanks, he looks like a 12 tone composer and I'm just not having it, a typical sexless Germanic.

%C\\\\\>Listening to Bach
>not listening to Mozart
>Listening to Marais
>Not listening to Haydn
>Listening to Ravel
>not listening to Mahler
>listening to Stravinsky
>not listening to Schoenberg or Shostakovich

Is there a better feeling in this world?

>>127490146
Shostakovich isn't after Ives?

>>127490126
>looks like a 12 tone composer
tell me you know shit about Hindemith without telling me you know shit about him. There's plenty to choose from, even after I had to get rid of a bunch of links to make the thread. Go on. Listen to Kammermusik 7, or the op 49, or the two concertos, or the three symphonies I posted. No serialism, no atonality, no 12-tone shenanigans. Pure, tonal, almost baroque expression fitted to its day instead of being a frigid neoclassical imitation of an idealised past such as Stravinsky post-1920. Short works by and large, you've got nothing to lose except trash opinions on something wonderful you just admitted to not knowing anything about.

>>127490157
He is after Ives, but he is also shit. A neurotic cuck loving jewhow has no place among the greats like Stravinsky, Bartok, ives, Debussy or Scriabin

PAA
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RAB
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QgOBbKl0eY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5qeuVOIbHk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRMXWj1pkjc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRPYNCTb9Ao

>>127490157
you can't expect consistency from spamming schizos, anon

>>127490163
>tell me you know shit about Hindemith without telling me you know shit about him.
using a Zoomer meme automatically discards your post, I love the fact that you spam as I do, but please refrain from being a faggot.

>>127490163
damn, owned

>>127490171
There is a platonic consistency to my posting, but not a post-modern one.

>>127490179
follow your own advice, cock sucker.

>>127490192
platonism in 2025 is a clear sign of schizophrenia

NO MOZART
NO CHOPIN
NO MAHLER
ALL ROMANTICS SCRAM!

ALL CLASSICISTS EAT SHIT AND DIE
THIS THREAD IS FOR MARIN MARAIS!

SONATA FORM SHOULD DIE
ONLY CONCERTO GROSSO FOR I!

HAYDN IS LIKE A ROTTEN WHEAT
WHAT I NEED IS A BACH CELLO SUITE


BACH AND BEFORE, IVES AND AFTER

>>127490202
real schizophrenics have moved on to esoteric Kantianism.

>>127490193
Please kill yourself

>>127490202
Don't you have Palestinian Children to kill Moishe?

currently listening to
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LR-X9tyaCM8

>>127490075
Nope, If it ain't Bach or Louis XIV court it ain't worth listening to

>>127490244
The one with Tortellier is better, anon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDWAF0ve88E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1wAVEiXD8k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hjxN-bvvgg

>>127490276
I just wanted to post a live performance

>>127490293
oh, s'all good

>>127490167
Agreed, and he was also better than Ives so you can imagine

Hello Friends I am the BABIAA spammer announcing that I am going to bed

I love you all and everything I do is in jest. I don't hate Mozart, I don't Chopin, nor do I hate Wagner, but I do hate Mahler.

I hope you have a wonderful night, and if the next general is a Debussy thread and one you quotes my spam with trips or dubs I will show a picture of my cock

>>127490338
no one cares about you

>>127490330
Nope, not at all. Ives is better than all


>>127490345
but you care enough to quote my post

>>127490345
Sent that freak flying.

even Copland was better than Ives, and Copland is bland shit

>>127490338
PAARAB >>>>>> BABIAA

simple as.

>>127490365
shhh let the boy sleep

Should it be a Mahler, Bruckner or Brahms day today?

Who let the goyper in?

>>127490395
Today we should have a Hindemith day. Go ahead, there's plenty to enjoy.

>>127490395
indubitably.

W.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QjodlxRxa8

>>127490435
don't post gore videos.

>>127490395
Can't go wrong with any of them. Perhaps Bruckner.

>>127490465
Bruckner is the greatest among them.

>>127490406
No thanks.
>>127490465
Let it be a Bruckner day then.

>>127490465
>>127490473
>>127490485
>incels

>>127490485
Such a good, smooth, lyrical 7th.

>>127490473
Brahms is actually. Not even arguable.

>>127490606
Bruckner's harmony and counterpoint is better than Brahms. It's not even arguable.

>>127490651
Brahms 2nd piano concerto > Brahms chamber music > everything by Bruckner and Mahler combined

>>127490759
>Brahms 2nd piano concerto
my lad

>>127490759
disproven by Mahler's 2nd.

>>127490759
I love, love, love Brahms but he would fall to his knees and weep if he heard Mahler 6 or 8 or 9.

>>127490848
Proof?

>>127490856
I spoke to Johannes during my last meth psychosis.

feels like a DLvdE night
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTBq5CqW2eQ&list=OLAK5uy_lR2brwn1dUPXH8o2f7mmp7lx5EC42RV-E&index=1

>>127490863
Did he ever see Mahler 2? I guess that was the last that premiered before his death.

>>127490948
>It may have been that July when Gustav Mahler, recently through Brahms’s influence appointed to the Vienna Hofoper, made a visit to Ischl that lives in legend—because of a quip, but one that said much about the divide between Brahms’s generation and the next. As they walked along the River Traun, Brahms was singing his familiar refrain: music was going to the devil, after he was dead it would be finished once and for all. Suddenly Mahler took Brahms’s arm and gestured excitedly toward the river, exclaiming, “Look, Doktor, just look!”

>“What is it?” Brahms said, taking the bait.

>“Don’t you see?” said Mahler. “There goes the last wave!”

>Maybe that got a cheerless chuckle from Brahms. He said only, “That’s all very fine, but maybe what matters is whether the wave goes into the sea or into a swamp.” By then, with his usual meticulous care he had studied the score of Mahler’s Second Symphony. That work, with its glowing instrumentation and grandiose Brahmsian close, perhaps intrigued him at the same time as it made him shudder. Yet the second movement, the scherzo with its juxtaposition of the ecstatic and grotesque, Brahms declared a work of genius—a term he did not use lightly. But he also said, “I used to think Richard Strauss was the Chief of the Insurrectionists, but now I see it’s Mahler.”

>As Mahler left from that last visit to Ischl, he glanced through the window to have one more look at Brahms. He saw the old man wearily taking a sausage and a slice of bread from the stove for his lunch. It all comes to this, Mahler thought.

---- Johannes Brahms A BIOGRAPHY By JAN SWAFFORD

>>127490997
>music was going to the devil, after he was dead it would be finished once and for all.
He was right.

>>127491009
>He was right.
Suddenly Mahler took Brahms’s arm and gestured excitedly toward the river, exclaiming, “Look, Doktor, just look!”

“What is it?” Brahms said, taking the bait.

“Don’t you see?” said Mahler. “There goes the last wave!”

Since I'm Asian, it'd be funny if I started pretending I fond Mahler's Das Lied von der Erde an offensive display of cultural appropriation, if not an outright ignorant mockery.

>>127491056
stop using a computer. It's cultural appropriation

>>127491065
It's okay when we do it

>>127491065
>>127491086
There's nothing more Asian than stealing tech

essential Hindemith works to start with?

>>127491093
touché

>>127491098
Start with the orchestral pieces Blomstedt recorded and the piano sonatas

>>127491016
There's good music made today. I like Arvo Pärt and Agalloch. But our society is fundamentally sick, and the art we produce is by and large a result of this sickness. There's no flourishing of art, there is no great spring out of which a million artists bloom. All of the good art is either isolated, depressive, or derivative. It's smaller in essence than the great art of the past. It's art of contraction rather than of growth, and it's few and far between.
Even the "explosion" of new musical forms in the mid-to-late 20th century was fundamentally shallow, it was the energy of burning your great cathedrals. Good to satisfy you, but it burned itself out almost immediately. I feel a great sense of despair to live in this fractured age, where we tore apart our bonds for entertainment. The only way to produce art here is to wallow in the misery or to start from scratch. The West has truly fallen.

>>127491122
true but girls are hotter than ever and we've got top-grade pharmaceutical SSRIs and narcotics, so it was all worth it

>>127491161
>girls are hotter than ever
I wish
>top-grade pharmaceutical SSRIs and narcotics,
The simulacra are not sufficient. I yearn for the real, and I'll bet you do too. Alas, it eludes us. The bonds have been evaporated.

>>127491206
I do but then I take my daily meds when I wake up and it drops my IQ by 20 points and I feel placated and happy the rest of the day

Barenboim!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XrSag4XagE&list=OLAK5uy_koS0FGWy3u0CEMe1Jfhe-0OVQIN10d6gA&index=5

>>127491314
>IT'S SO QUIET IN MY BRAIN NOW!!!
WAKE UP ANON """ THEY""" ARE KILLING US.

>>127491345
*yawn* i just took some meds to sleep, I'll revolt with you tomorrow, I promise *snooze*

>>127491351
NOO ANON NOO WE NEED YOU

>>127490848
It's hard to say. Brahms taste was a bit strange.
>>127491122
>There's good music made today.
I disagree.
>But our society is fundamentally sick, and the art we produce is by and large a result of this sickness.
Based and Dutton pilled. Modern society is significantly less intelligent relative to society of 19th century. (Not) surprisingly, we had the highest amount of geniuses during that era. And not just in art, but science, math, philosophy

>>127491853
>I'm not part of high society therefore Dutton is right. The west has fallen and billions must die.

touch grass, pleb.

>>127492073
>I am clueless and I have no idea what I'm talking about but I have to be an ass on 4chan because why not

>>127492281
not an argument.

>>127492287
Your "argument" was a literal logical fallacy. Two of them in fact. You are not very bright.

>>127492415
fallacy fallacy.

>>127490086
Actually sleeping while Sibelius is played

>>127492455
the only correct response.

>>127490074
You only hate him because he didn't leave Nazi Germany, Moshe.

>>127492442
>uhh I'm actually just lazy to argue
Your concession is accepted.

>>127492496
whatever helps you sleep at night.

>>127490997
Brahms had a good eye indeed. The Scherzo is easily the best part of the 2nd symphony by a considerable margin.

>>127492516
You're terrible at trolling, turkanon.

>>127490997
These biographies should be taken with a grain of salt.

>>127490997
I wonder how these people would handle seeing Sexyred for example -would they just die of a rage seizure on the spot?

>>127489994
Be thankful you don’t live in the UK- American Spirit 30g now costs £28

All repeats are to be skipped, there is no counterargument to this

>>127493360
based.

>>127493360
>>127493371
Give a singular written account of repeats being considered okay to skip in sonata period pieces from the classical period. It's a simple question you have not been able to answer even a single time

>>127493386
they were perfectly okay with playing single movements out of context while the audience were playing cards, eating and drinking, burping, hissing and hollering. do you really believe 18th-century viennese were neurotic about repeats? lmfao.

>>127491122
I think you are slightly exaggerating. The main issue is the gatekeeping of academia leading to people of a very specific type (pretentious faggots) to become composers who make severely unpleasant music and the fact that composers have less creative avenues to stretch their wings like composers did when Opera which allowed vast stretches of musical thought was the most popular medium. If they compose for films, they are forced to make more textural music as that's what's in vogue for film music and orchestral scores are not as common unless it's a existing franchise. If they compose for videogames, they have to generally make simplistic loops inspired by popular forms of music and have little ability to write more creative works. As far as concert music goes, it's no longer feasible to make any money with a new instrumental work specifically because of the clique around contemporary music and how tied it is to academia. Which also leads people to be weary of new music and prefer to stick to the established classics.

Mozart

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgQZLYqdxUY

>>127493465
>they were perfectly okay with playing single movements out of context while the audience were playing cards, eating and drinking, burping, hissing and hollering.
give a source.
>do you really believe 18th-century viennese were neurotic about repeats? lmfao.
it's not like people perform pop music with no repeat of the verse and the chorus and skip straight to the bridge in the modern day. this argument does not hold water

>>127493486
>give a source

are you joking? read at least one mozart biography. make an effort.

>>127493505
omitcel failed to answer a simple question again reward

>>127493513
you have never read a book on classical music in your life, i'm not going to bother with you.

>>127493529
>>127493505
omitcel committing burden of proof and proof by assertion fallacies award

>>127479854
all 30m+ long symphonies reccs welcome.

>>done
>Louis Spohr - Symphony No.4 "Die Weihe Der Töne"
>Franz Berwald - Symphony No.2 in D-major "Sinfonie capricieuse" (1842)
>Symphony No.3 in D major - Alexander Glazunov
>Symphony No.60 "To the Appalachian Mountains" - Alan Hovhaness
i appreciated that one woodwind/harp duet section.

>>backlog
>Mendelssohn: Symphony No. 2 in B-flat major, Op. 52 "Lobgesang" (with Score)
>Bach - Mass in B minor, BWV 232 / Remastered (Century's recording: Hermann Scherchen)
>Sorabji: Sequentia Cyclica

>>progress
starting Kings 1
David is about to die, but not before having a virgin recruited to "Casca" him first.

>>2¢'s
this thread is more insufferable than usual, given the last few threads.
can't find any non-Hindeshit symphonies so i guess i'll have to backtrack to pre-spammer /classical/.
also, thanks for the reccs all this time, sisterposter. i enjoyed them a lot.

>>127491122
The west has fallen because they aren’t making cello music anymore?

>>127492479
Nope I hate him because he sucks, But if he didn't level Nazi Germany then that means he's pretty based.

>Up next is mozFart stinky dinky symphony no. 39 in E flatulence followed by Braaaaaap Concerto in P(ee) minor

Do Mozfart listeners really?

Mozart gives me the ick,

As does Brahms, Mahler, Handel, early-middle Beethoven, Dvorak, Bruckner, Chopin, Schumann, Strauss II, Hindemith, Schoenberg, Reger, Berg, Webern, Tchaikovsky, Boulez, Stockhausen, Haydn, Bruch, Salieri, Clementi, and Sibelius

That is all

>>127493748
Al slop undermines whatever point you wanted to make

>>127493764
You’re a Ravel fan

>>127493766
>Al slop undermines whatever point you wanted to make

>>127493783
Nice selfie Sanjeet

>>127493775
That as well Bach, Marais, Josquin, and Stravinsky

>>127493794
>Nice selfie Sanjeet

>>127493859
Please refer back to this post
>>127493794

>>127493870
>Please refer back to this post

WTF brahms 3 is great. I always thought it was the worst brahms symphony but Bruno Walter's recording changed my mind

>>127491098
I'd say the kammermusik series. My favourite recording is pic related. Then, depending on your personal inclinations, you should either go for the several sonatas for solo instruments or instrument+piano or his symphonies, particularly Mathis and Harmonie. There are several ways you can go, though

>>127492479
>he didn't leave Nazi Germany
he left before the war started

>>127492952
>Be thankful you don’t live in the UK
Always

>>127493470
maho more like my whore

>>127493997
>I always thought it was the worst brahms symphony
wtf

>>127493766
https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1755930876654797.webm

>>127494135
>Uhh you don't get to bring an ensemble

>>127494074
>the several sonatas for solo instruments or instrument+piano
I should say, when it comes to his sonatas for instruments and piano you really can't go wrong with the Ensemble Villa Musica (they also recorded the piano sonatas, but I prefer Siegfried Mauser for all his piano solo stuff)

>Bach
>Machaut
>Ives
>Marais
>Buxtehude
>Stravinsky
>Reich
>Bartok

No Mozart, No Brahms, No Haydn, No Mahler
No Autistic Teutonic spirit shall oppress or taint the Gallic, Latin, and Slavic soul

>>127494292
>>Buxtehude
bixnood

>average BABIAA listener

We will disarm and subdue every 18th-19th century heretic that would put on a Mozart Piano concerto or Chopin Nocturne

We are the Mockers of Mozart
We put a chokehold on classicism

We are the Cuckolders of Chopin
We are the Rapists of Romantics

We are the murderers of Mahler
We strike fear in ever pretentious and Neurotic writer of 1 hour symphonies

>Classicishit Concerto avg time - 15-20 minutes
>Romantislop Concerto avg time - 20-30 minutes

>Chad Baroque concerto avg time - 10-15 mintues

You know which way lads, Plato will guide you.

>>127491098
a few concertos for your consideration

Yep its looking like a Vivaldi day. Celebrating the end of summer with the Summer concerto and his Viola Da gamba concertos as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muowVV_ITKc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G319y7bXqRA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SY3Kxf7ZTeI

>>127494372
longer pieces are objectively better, making a grand statement is an artistic neccesity

Dvorak

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeZmCQIZelk&list=OLAK5uy_kjJRaCJGo44tyH12adOOUccacL91aEvng&index=6

>>127494454
It's not the size, it's how you use it

>>127494454
>t. neurotic

>>127494475
>t. gooner
But he gets the point

>>127494475
what matters is having a good fingering and tonguing technique
>>127494489
t. pointless spammer with no joy in its life

I've been pondering about whether I should learn how to play the piano or learn how to play tennis. Convince that your hobby is more worthwhile.

>>127494502
My hobby is reading

>>127494502
>Convince that your hobby is more worthwhile

1. Reading
2. Masturbation
3. Wine

>If it ain't BAROQUE, don't fix it
>I dumped her because she BAROQUED my heart
>I had to go to the doctor because I BAROQUED my leg in a gondola accident
>I would go to the concerto with you, but I'm BAROQUE
>The Baroque BAROQUED the Renaissance mold

>>127494498
>t. nervous soul who can't function in society because of years of listening to pathos laden music that has affected his spiritual and emotional state

May i provide you a prescription?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dzw8gtqsvDM

>>127491853
>Modern society is significantly less intelligent relative to society of 19th century. (Not) surprisingly, we had the highest amount of geniuses during that era. And not just in art, but science, math, philosophy
Very true. I'm doubtful that it's a function of pure intelligence but I think it's culture.

>>127494593
you can kill yourself, certainly

>>127494562
>If it ain't BAROQUE, don't fix it
that would mean that it needs to be fixed if it is indeed baroque

>>127492073
"High society" is not a thing anymore. Our modern judeo-capitalist manufactured elites have no artistic taste. They either mindlessly listen to old classical because it's established and they think it comes off as intellectual or they listen to pop slop low art.

>>127494292
>Slavic
>soul
Heh

>>127493807
>Bach,

anyone else doing #NoDeadPerformers2025 ? Time to let those old recordings gather dust and listen to what those conductors and musicians who are still alive have to say about the great music we all love.

>>127494626
>Modern society is significantly less intelligent relative to society of 19th century
source?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flynn_effect

>>127494640
You are right, because the Baroque fixes everything

>>127494502
Both.

>>127493686
You don't get it, we are a spent culture.

>>127494669
that makes no sense
>>127494671
>we
you, maybe

>>127491122
>>127493686
the west has fallen because i can't coom

last I checked the west was still very much there, to the west

>>127494662
>Teasdale and Owen (1989), for example, found the effect primarily reduced the number of low-end scores, resulting in an increased number of moderately high scores, with no increase in very high scores.
>Some studies have found a reverse Flynn effect with declining scores for those with high IQ.
Maybe read the page you link before trying to "own" me?

>>127494633
>the hyper emotional Romantic responds exactly how I expected him to be react
You're gonna need a double dosage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyGlFisv7Ng
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyWOIKCtjiw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zc1BxtF-Wq4

>>127491122
>I like Arvo Pärt and Agalloch
opinions thoroughly discarded and post hidden

>>127493470
But where is the modern day high art? The best you'll typically get is fantano-core psuedo-intellectual drivel. Where are the people who otherwise would be great composers?

>>127494690
Sure, my counterargument was bad because I was being lazy
Now, source on yours?

>>127494706
>Where are the people who otherwise would be great composers?
In other genres

Animal Collective is today's art music

>>127494677
>If its Baroque, it fixes it
Simple as brother

>>127494710
Anon... The study is literally named right there.

>>127494706
hiding from the likes of you

>>127489721 (OP)
Yo i dont normally post here but this picture goes hard af
What dis nigga play

>>127494718
I mean source on
>Modern society is significantly less intelligent relative to society of 19th century
Where are the studies

>>127494677
>you, maybe
If you don't see the decline then you're coping and in denial.

>>127494722
all the info you need is in the post you are quoting

feels like a day to finally revisit Sinopoli's Mahler :3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ue-LZ_PXvzs&list=OLAK5uy_mvlduGGorzUCmKqVlC6nx4uvIjPM9XCLM&index=2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qLlorgrrO8&list=OLAK5uy_mvlduGGorzUCmKqVlC6nx4uvIjPM9XCLM&index=5
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSjrC608Bqs&list=OLAK5uy_mvlduGGorzUCmKqVlC6nx4uvIjPM9XCLM&index=9
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vrp6Axvo3II&list=OLAK5uy_mvlduGGorzUCmKqVlC6nx4uvIjPM9XCLM&index=15
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLS3pT-qVXg&list=OLAK5uy_mvlduGGorzUCmKqVlC6nx4uvIjPM9XCLM&index=30

the set begins with a three-movement version of the cantata Das klagende Lied. I always thought Sinopoli looks like a blend of Spielberg and Kubrick on this cover, lol

>>127494731
I don't think that the people are less intelligent, I think that the society is more hostile to innovations coming from intelligent people. There's not an study I can provide to show that. But I think if you look at our culture it's clear.

>THESE ARE THE WORST TIMES, THE END TIMES
>CIVILISATION IS DOOMED, CULTURE IS DEAD
>WE HAVE NEVER BEEN DUMBER AND WE WILL NEVER RECOVER
>BAAAAAAAAAD THINGS BAAAAAAAAAD, BAAAAAAAAD
t. every fucking whiny crybaby who's scared his privileged place in society is in danger every fucking generation since the dawn of civilisation

>>127494720
Post something that's as great as Bach or Beethoven or Mahler then.

>>127494768
>society is more hostile to innovations coming from intelligent people
source
>There's not an study I can provide to show that.
oh ok so it's just baseless, emotional opinion
also true ESL hours

>>127494781
Terminal reddit brain

>>127494699
What's wrong with Arvo Pärt?

>>127494712
>Animal Collective is today's art music
Well then it shows how far we've fallen.

>>127494794
I gracefully accept your concession, ESLite

Before and not including Bach

>>127494805
Other than being le minimalisum plink plonk lowbrow pop music for midwits who want to feel sophisticated, you mean? Not much, I guess.

now playing, trying out more of Hewitt's Beethoven

start of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 17 in D Minor, Op. 31 No. 2 "Tempest"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4jpwJRtLOA&list=OLAK5uy_mlC1EHrTiMb7LN4cY06NmAEDYVD_8kyx4&index=2

start of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 13 in E-Flat Major, Op. 27 No. 1 "Quasi una fantasia"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeuRA-S5wTw&list=OLAK5uy_mlC1EHrTiMb7LN4cY06NmAEDYVD_8kyx4&index=5

start of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 25 in G Major, Op. 79 "Cuckoo"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yn0aqSU63io&list=OLAK5uy_mlC1EHrTiMb7LN4cY06NmAEDYVD_8kyx4&index=9

start of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 30 in E Major, Op. 109
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxdNPP82DOk&list=OLAK5uy_mlC1EHrTiMb7LN4cY06NmAEDYVD_8kyx4&index=11

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mlC1EHrTiMb7LN4cY06NmAEDYVD_8kyx4

While having the sonatas divided between these volumes outside of chronological order can make it annoying if you're trying to find a specific piece to listen to, it does, as the performers who do this kind of thing often state, have the benefit of freeing the music from its usual and familiar contexts, and allowing each piano sonata to be enjoyed on its own terms. For example, sometimes when listening to a complete set with chronological order, any trio of piano sonatas can often blend together, becoming formally conflated and influencing each other emotionally -- the 7th and 9th become tied up with the 8th, Pathetique, for example. But when split this way, they become disassociated from those contexts, allowing each to shine and heard the in new lights -- the 13th is no longer "the one before Moonlight," it's now it's own distinctive, singular masterpiece. Anyway, hope it's good!

ITT: Sunset Of The Afternoonland: the anime adaptation
NOT ITT: Music discussion

>>127494851
>Simple is... LE BAD!

hit 'em with the Hewitt

>>127494890
k

>>127493997
People usually play it too slow and without the necessary fire. Bruno Walter's is one of the few recordings that plays it with the energy needed
You should hear his earlier NY recording too, it's in mono but it's even crazier. Also worth hearing Steinberg, Jochum (both of them), and Beinum.

>>127493888
See that picture? That's you that is

>>127494961
I'm a big fan of Chailly's recent-ish cycle with the Gewandhausorchester
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4KpBTR40z4

>>127494502
My hobby is fat shaming people in public swimming pools

>>127494987
a.k.a. crying at your reflection in the water

>>127494980
love Chailly but
>HIP-adjacent Brahms
;o

>>127494980
>recent
>2013
Such is the life of a classical fan

>>127494980
>>127495016
His recordings of the piano concertos with Nelson Freire are bomb though, and easily in the top-tier of all recordings of them, which is no easy or small feat.

>>127494626
>>127494662
>>127494690
>>127494710
>Why was the greatest art in history of western civilization produced between 17th and 19th centuries?
>why are we incapable of producing great music anymore?
>why are we flocking to memes like serialism instead of "innovating"?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSQFKrbFZp0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnSfiglhMTE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfXkr1YheXk

https://books.google.nl/books/about/At_Our_Wits_End.html?id=lnaFDwAAQBAJ&source=kp_book_description&redir_esc=y

All the sources are spoonfed and shoved down your throat only for you to puke it out in act of hotheaded stubbornness. Yes, general intelligence is declining, the same intelligence that IQ measures. Even Flynn realized the IQ is actually on decline. Not everything is as it seems.

>>127495016
>HIP-adjacent
wh

>>127495025
Hey! They did say 'recent-ish,' which I think can be appropriately and accurately applied to anything released after, say... 2010? So don't hate or even tease!

>>127494980
He's been infected but he's trying to hide it from the rest of the crew

>>127495025
wdhmbt

>>127495030
I'm sorry, I'm too contemporary (that is, dumb) to follow any of this. Can you explain it here for us with your big brain so that I don't have to go through cringe YT videos and google books with three-page previews? I mean surely you've read it and watched the videos and can summarise in a concise and learned manner

>>127495030
Dutton is just so insane that I could never stomach listening to him for very long. But IIRC the IQ decline only began recently, and I'm not sure how well-evidenced it is in white populations. You'd probably know better than I.

>>127495068
>You'd probably know better than I.
you're too kind

>>127495075
You seem autistically focused on this

>>127495030
>google flynn effect to see the trends
>"In certain cases, this apparent reversal may be due to cultural changes rendering parts of intelligence tests obsolete."
topkek

>we're no longer getting the results we want, so now the tests, which were great and useful before when it exhibited the Flynn Effect, are obsolete and biased, if not outright discriminatory of other cultures

such is the world in 2025

>>127495089
Who am I

>>127495096
An Ed Dutton fan evidently

>>127495065
>>127495068
Just watch the first 40 seconds of the first video linked for an accurate descriptions of your character and behavior.
>quick summary
The video is *10 minutes* long. It is explained as plainly and simply as humanly possible. If your tiktok mind cannot handle that, it's not my problem.
Chopin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcQmUSd__pI
>>127495093
Read the book, simpleton.

>>127495103
literally who

>>127495113
A dissident right microcelebrity

>>127495105
>I refuse to explain because I don't know myself
k

>>127495105
So you can't summarise it then?

>>127494971
>See that picture? That's you that is

Obsessing over Beethoven's complete piano sonata cycle this past month or so after becoming distant to them for years has been one of the most rewarding musical listening experiences I've ever had. I highly recommend it to everyone here: spend the next month exploring various sets by different performers and becoming deeply familiar with each of Beethoven's thirty-two piano sonatas, each a masterpiece in their own right.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUmrX1xO1ms

>>127494462
Dvorak Souls

>>127495105
>Read the book, simpleton.
?
I was agreeing with you!

>>127495136
a bottomless pit to fit a limitless mind

>>127495153
Don't bother with schizos

>>127495157
more like a limitless pit to a bottomless mind, hey-o!

>>127495141
Thank you Portland sister

>>127495124
>>127495126
Why would I bother when there's a video and a book, do tell me. It appears you're trolling and not actively trying to look at the evidence. I have no reason to engage with such people. Once you're done watching the video, you can voice your doubts and then I may engage in the discussion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y44JnN-tJgY
>>127495153
My apologies. Still, you have little context of what you're trying to say.

>>127495166
That's the same thing

>>127495157
>a bottomless pit to fit a limitless mind

>>127495172
Oh! Uh, that's not me -- best city in the world though :)

>>127495188
A long neck to fit a long mind

>>127495185
>Why would I bother
thought as much

>>127495211
>A long neck to fit a long mind

>>127495216
I can copy paste the video transcription, or from the book, flooding the thread with what is a link away in the first place, would that be helpful? Thought so.

>>127495197
Maybe they're from Portland too? You think you're the only person in Portland?

>>127495229
A long neck for a long Mundi

The good news is that generally when I'm shilling a composer I end up making a general with him as the edition and then I feel content enough and fuck off for a few months until the next time I'm enthusiastic about a particular composer. Anyway, have some more Hindemith while it lasts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgrhL0z6ZEk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpussBdoS2w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HRBS1lQy7M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1diq5bem0w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jitbwlX0_ds
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpHZkiZHOSM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLXVWmTDw7U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5EoRR3-YRc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrXbq1G3imY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLhPcpK4sEU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbEMI1gCnQk

>>127479854
>Paul Hindemith - String Quartet No. 4, Op. 22 [With score]
Somehow I missed this. Whadda think of it?

>>127495257
>A long neck for a long Mundi

>>127495315
i can't coom, therefore the west has fallen

>>127495315
What's the point of this post

>>127495341
how do you feel

>>127495315
If this is a reference to Ed., you couldn't be further from the truth.
Eh, why do I even bother.

>>127495358
to who

>>127495351
If you can't see the reality of western decline then you're just willfully ignorant

>>127495358
>why do I even bother
yer right, you SHOULD kill yersel

>>127495375
Correct.

>>127494980
I like that performance too, although I feel like it's lacking a bit in body (bass resonance) and I'm a little annoyed at how the engineers applied dynamic compression to it.

>>127495375
that's not what I asked

Every time I listen to this genius, I find hidden contrapuntal melodies in Chopin's music that nobody else could truly bring it out. Even in waltzes, let alone ballades. Let's try his polonaise-fantaisie, an overlooked masterpiece.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEdLKdhKqxY

now playing

start of Smetana: String Quartet No. 1 in E Minor, JB 1:105 "From My Life"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzKj5s9CJoQ&list=OLAK5uy_moXCq3jtoFdev5k78v588bkC29ssEp0Pw&index=2

start of Janáček: String Quartet No. 1 "Kreutzer Sonata", JW VII/8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCFRy6RwU3U&list=OLAK5uy_moXCq3jtoFdev5k78v588bkC29ssEp0Pw&index=6

start of Janáček: String Quartet No. 2, JW VII/13 "Intimate Letters"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnVqEe71Bec&list=OLAK5uy_moXCq3jtoFdev5k78v588bkC29ssEp0Pw&index=9

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_moXCq3jtoFdev5k78v588bkC29ssEp0Pw

I feel as if no one but Chopin, his students, and his students' students could truly understand the full scope of Chopin's genius. Sad.

It is a good thing that the west has fallen. The weak SHOULD die.

>>127495490
Ironically the weak don't die anymore, which is why the 'west has fallen' (and not just the west).

>>127495507
If they don't die, they are by definition the strong ones. Cope harder, dying weakling.

>>127495490
I ultimately agree. We were the first to dive into modernity and as such we're the first to suffer its consequences. The Europeans that survive will be hyper-competent, civilized yet brutal, and organized. How long this process takes is yet to be decided.

>>127495443
That good, huh? Guess I'll add that Sony set and give it a try, and some of his other Chopin (saw he has a 19 Waltzes). Maybe some of his Schumann too.

>>127495521
>yet to be decided
five years

>>127495490
>t. indian or chinese bugman

>>127495518
>they are by definition the strong ones.
Which definition of strong supports your claim?

>>127495536
I hope so. From the political polling on white male zoomers the future looks promising.

>>127495552
>Which definition of strong
"survives"

>>127495555
>voting for gutting medicaid, medicare, welfare, food stamps, and other government assistance that's standard in other first world countries is promising
dire times

>>127495547
Enjoy your last measly years on this earth, weakling

>>127495575
Hah! knew it. Call me saar

>>127495526
Yes, his handling of the inner voices is masterful. Listen to this fragment of op.64 no.2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuWVH314WJo
>>127495563
Your concession is accepted.

>>127495573
>dire times
for inferior life forms, maybe

>>127495589
you support that + tax cuts for billionaires? yikes

>>127495521
>How long this process takes is yet to be decided.
As much time it took from the decline of Roman Empire to the beginning of the renaissance. Yep.

>>127495586
I'll call you extinct in five years
>>127495599
I support whatever leads to your suffering and eventual death

>>127495573
We cannot as a country afford all of that. Young white men do not need it at all, the old, poor, and brown do. We need deportations to make our quality of life better. We're just voting for our group's collective interests.

>>127495610
Nah, things happen exponentially faster now

What's Wand's best Bruckner 4 recording? Munchner? NDR? Berlin Phil? Cologne?

The Cologne one has a first movement of 17:27! the rest are a much more typical ~19-20

>>127495610
I wouldn't be so sure, the incredible progress in technology since then has made everything move orders of magnitude faster.

>>127495624
So poor white people should just go fuck themselves and suffer and die? Some race/national solidarity.

>>127495610
>>127495637
June 2030; mark your calendars

>>127495643
Even working class (young) whites will benefit more from mass deportations than they would from the maintenance of the welfare state.

>>127495660
Who needs food, healthcare, or somewhere to live, right?

>>127495647
Nah, it's not going to happen in a single day or anything. It'll be gradual. There will be landmarks along the way. Maybe June 2030 will be one.

>>127495643
>white people should just go fuck themselves and suffer and die
ya

>>127495626
I'm afraid that's not the case. The parallels are too strong. But one could make an argument about the AI, even though its future is uncertain.
>>127495637
>has made everything move orders of magnitude faster.
Including intelligence decline.

>>127495669
All three will be made cheaper by mass deportations, and wages will increase.

>>127495677
>that's not true because that's not how I imagine it happened last time
see why the west is declining? Because it's full of people like you

>>127494776
If any medium is allowed, I think Miyazaki, especially his last two films are on that level of artistic prowess. The Boy And The Heron is a masterpiece that has no match

>>127495611
>>127495673
Saar!

>>127495702
Not Western so I actually wouldn't say it counts. Not that we can't enjoy foreign media but it comes from a different milieu.

>>127495677
>things happen faster
>no they don't
>intelligence has declined faster though
you have a clogged toilet for a brain

>>127495706
Keep shitposting while you can, amerimutt. June 2030.

>>127495733
June 2030 will be when we revoke citizenship from every brown in our lands. You fundamentally misunderstand what's happening.

>"""white""" bois hilariously raging and shidding and pissin when faced with inevitable demise
music for that feeling?

>>127495757
You've no idea what's coming for you. I am gleeful, I tell you, gleeful.

Also June 3030 is when it starts, but it'll all be over by late 2036, so at least you won't suffer for *that* long.

>>127495758
>>127495775
India superpowar 2030 Saar!

>>127495782
They're going down too, worry not

>>127495695
>I refuse to look at the evidence therefore I'm right!
>>127495720
By comment was ironic. The fact that intelligence is declining means society will collapse faster. Innovation per capita certainly is moving "magnitudes faster", except in a wrong direction.

>>127495793
Africa superpower 2030 and sheeeit

>>127495801
real ESL hours

>>127495801
>>127495810
>By
My*. And yeah, you're in an ESL general&thread. Hindemith wasn't anglo.

Can't I ever just enjoy listening to a Bruckner symphony without incessantly mulling over whether I want to switch to another recording? "this sounds nice but damn, would I have a better time if I switched to X, Y, or Z performance instead?" I suppose the issue is the symphonies are so long, my brain wants to make sure I'm maximizing my time investment, y'know? Quite annoying.

>read thread
Huh, not sure how I ended up on /pol/. Lemme just click on /mu/, search the catalog for /classical/, and open it up. There we go, now I know I'm in the right thre-- oh god, no :(

none of this would've happened had you learnt to appreciate Hindemith
have some funeral music for your funeral
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZB7dCLJ6cM

>>127495862
>not sure how I ended up on /pol/
Friend, it has been a long, long time since /pol/ took over /mu/, /lit/, and a few other boards. Almost a decade I reckon.

>>127495867
hindemith? more like hindenburg, haha

That moment when you perfectly voice an impossible passage and you're the first in recorded history to do it

any of Paavo Jarvi's Bruckner worth listening to? I think it's interesting on this 9th, he's got slow tempos/long run times at ~27min for each the first and third movement, and just shy of 11min for the second movement scherzo, yet for the first movement of the 4th, he conducts a speedy 16:57! This is to say it's neat to see how he adjusts his approach on a per-symphony basis, you don't usually see that. Generally you can correctly estimate the tempo and runtime of every other symphony in a cycle by just listening to the performance of one.

>>127495490
>The weak SHOULD die.
I have that tattoed on my neck

>even Godowsky himself didn’t hear this melody…
God. I love this channel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nk0fjBnvR8M

>>127496072
Bearbeitung? What kind of sick shit is this?

>>127496152
Huh?

>>127496187
I've said my piece

Baking bread since no one else does

>>127496269
>>127496269
>>127496269
nowy