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Previous: >>127580702

owo

https://vocaroo.com/1Km0wkQGuDG7

split processing on the drum tracks produce good results.

i've been using the exact same reese sample every time for two years now

fox stevenson has some really good livestreams to learn from
but his latest output is pretty underwhelming. it's okay but only people who are really into fox stevenson will really enjoy.

why is eq set up in a way that the bandwidth between 1k and 5k doesn't have much resolution?

stop doing it, anon

>>127626535 (OP)
Give me constructive criticism and win one (1) free wish from Cat Genie:

https://voca.ro/1bTGj4aJuIzx

>>127626575
Makes sense - drum kit is just a condensed orchestra, why not get the same control for every limb?

>>127627473
easier to control things like the cymbals and snare

>>127627462
thought it was going to be cool at the start and then the rest of the arrangement came in and all the timing was absolutely fucked

>>127627462
why is it so out of time?

>>127626570
I added bitches:
https://voca.ro/19SmCNpgrOLY

>>127627487
I was doing it rubato but you right
>you rite
you rite
>you rite

>>127627642
my dude i was trying to NOT scare the hoes damn

what kind of blanket eq should i use on the entire mix?

>>127626570
>>127627642
Based.

why does this happen? why does a production need so many different engineers?

>>127627462
The drums sound like complete ass in the mix, it sounds like something an AI would generate. I would use midi drums as a placeholder if you can't record real drums properly, whatever you're using right now isn't working out.

>>127627820
Producer’s like director of a movie
2nd guy records stuff, does takes like cameraman
3rd mixes editors
Next two are assistants setting up equipment etc
Last guy masters polishes, fixes the final mix

>>127627803
none just eq the individual tracks

>>127627820
>producer
>"what kinda sound you want? okay" *sets up mics*
>actually fucking mixed
>bitchwork (organizing and labeling 200 fucking tracks)
>bitchwork (editing out all the breaths, squeaks, noise, doing comps if he's lucky)
>got paid to be here

>>127627876
>none just eq the individual tracks
i find the mix is too muddy if i dont apply a slight high boost to the overall mix

After spending a long time on ableton then getting logic on iPad, I’m enjoying it so far playing round but haven’t made anything. Logic holds your hand more, gives you better sounds by far, ableton is more blank page

>>127627887
it's not *wrong* to eq your final mix, but if that's something that consistently happens and or you're just working on the track, aware of the mud, you're 100% just being lazy.
that laziness is very likely to be bleeding onto the rest of your output.

>>127627942
if its not wrong then how am i being lazy? aren't i solving the problem?

On a side note, have you guys seen the interview with David Gilmour? 2 hours long but super interesting as they only talk about the craft of making music and engineering etc. and not the usual talks about the breakup drama etc.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OT_KFCidz_s

>>127627960
it is not *theoretically* wrong

you are accustomed to boosting the highs of *everything* rather than learning how to mix in such a way that you're getting enough highs from the start, or otherwise contemplating why this is happening in the first place. that is lazy.

>>127627991
hands down one of my favorite guitarists. so inspiring.
zero interest in what this guy has to say about "engineering" lmao

>>127628006
then i will take it off and find ways for the individual elements to shine but i also can't help but feel a mix bus eq helps to tie the overall project together

>>127628025
I don't understand. You don't want to watch the interview? He goes deep into how he creates his music. The interviewer is very good.

>>127628142
i was being a dick, sorry.

We are the music makers

I use my openbacks and my monitors at the same time

>>127628949
holy chad

https://vocaroo.com/1iXs3DzDacC1

>house
>electronic

current WIP

>>127627834
Thanks and you’re right - I was using it as a placeholder.

>>127628493
we are the dreamers of dreams

https://vocaroo.com/12Pru1G5B8w9

https://vocaroo.com/17FNMlRphlE2

are these good enough to show to people or should i be embarrassed about them?

im reading the manual

decided to scale back my guitar tracks and only have two instead of the four and simply turn up the two i already have. sounds a bit clearer

>>127630983
Both of them are let down by the drums

>>127630983
Would add a shaker at around the :47 mark.
something that goes 1234/1234 1234/1234
Would layer with other sounds.
Add drums, breaks and cymbals. Or just a really good verb'd snare.

>>127631196
im reading reddit

>>127630983
>>127631247
r8/h8 my master
https://files.catbox.moe/27b6dn.mp3

https://vocaroo.com/1f72rfjjfdkR

quick idea i just started

>>127627820
It's just how boomers and Xers operate. They'll waste money on having all kinds of "assistants" and "engineers" who can do what they should know how to do, just to have a bunch of dudes to establish a social hierarchy among.

>>127631247
yeah i like shitty old drum machines too much
>>127631293
i sort of really suck cock at high end mixing so i tend to stay away from cymbals, will take a shaker into consideration tho
>>127631537
my headphones are too shit to tell what exactly what you did but it does sound better desu thanks broski

>>127627942
Meh. You're trying too hard to be that guy. EQ on the master is lazy, sure, but if you don't suck at mixing it'll work just fine. It's often necessary because if you start by lasering in on details, youll often end up with something that's well balanced but doesn't quite have the right overall profile.

>>127631893
> Meh. You're trying too hard to be that guy
i was restraining myself from calling him deaf and dumb actually.
how hard is it to work backwards in this situation:
>”fuck that anon! i’m going to EQ the master!”
>*adds 6db shelf at 4k*
>* self doubt* “what is… changing here..?”
>”was it my kick drum that needed that boost or was it my piano? is something in particular easier to hear now..?”
>”what if i tried instead to eq..”
>”haha just kidding! idc!” *exports and repeat*
come on

> but if you don't suck at mixing it'll work just fine
see that’s really part of a larger problem. that guy sucks at mixing.
“that’s not technically wrong ;)” advice really only helps people who already know what they’re doing.
telling people who don’t know what they’re doing to do things the “right” way is like a guard rail to guide them into actually learning what they’re doing so they can circle back and get good enough to bend those rules.

>>127630983
Just weak melody and drums imo. Nothing satisfying or tension building about the first track. Keep at it though man

>>127631880
just got my hand on ozone, so take this as a rough guide:
Ozone mastering chain: subtle low and high shelf EQ -> light expansion on lows and highs -> stereo imaging(mono on bass, stereo on high mids and highs) -> clarity(resonance control) -> stabilizer(tonal balance/frequency correction) -> subtle dynamic EQ on mids and highs -> maximizer with transient emphasis.
Very subtle high air -> glue compression at -1.2db -> limiter.

>>127629070
Cool stuff but I would say a bit too much processing on the vocals. Sounds like you are stacking OTTs or something. I like how wide it sounds though.

>>127632541
thanks anon. yeah, i'm using soundtoys' microshift on some of the vocals. i'll definitely tone it down a bit. appreciate the listen. i also have to tone down that bell sound IMO, it's part of the sample and i'm trying to lessen it's resonance. will probably change a few of the synth leads, move stuff around etc.

>>127627834
You get one (1) wish from Cat Genie.

>>127627551
>professin' my sins UwU

I wanted to see how banjo works in a "hyperpop" context. It works and the whistle tone (sine wave) works to wrap the mix up with a wide reverb. I like it and I'll work to get this shit up to portfolio standards.

>I offer Ashbie as my sincere apologies, oh great anons

Omnisphere is so nuts man, people who think it's just a rompler are dumb. It has Virtual Analog oscillators for a lot of the best sounding synths out there which were made in collab with the people in charge like Dave Smith. This thing is just as good at just being synth as Uhe Diva but then it has like 10 more things on top. UI is a bit gay though I must admit.

>>127635039
>people in charge like Dave Smith
Dave Smith isn't in charge of shit
https://youtu.be/yj9YcCOioZE

wow bro you're so funny

>>127635151
>t. hasn't even been

>>127635039
Speak engrish

>>127635039
nuh uh romper bad
>gay as an insult in current year
yeah nobody should take your opinion seriously

>>127635126
this timeline is cursed

>>127631880
FACTS MACHINE

>>127632239
If you reformat that, I think we’d be able to help:
>who is we
Fu niggrs

>>127627487
I’m using this as a chorus, what do you think works for a verse?

>>127627551
I was going for the behind the beat feel but I didn’t pull it off

>>127635294
i only "mastered" his track, it was my first time doing it too

>>127635039
>Virtual Analog oscillators
VA doesn't mean what you think it means

>>127635593
>virtual analog doesn't mean digital oscillators which were modeled after analog oscillators
ok

>>127635792
VA refers to filters by Zavalishin. "Virtual Analog" oscillators means nothing

https://vocaroo.com/1mvgyzYQVLHD

zillenial tim hecker is back with a new banger
slowly but surely hecker's sound is ceasing to be such a mystery

>>127635536
KEEP
GOING

Hope you're all doing marvelously well!

>>127627797
Tame the hoes my son

>>127636485
This is really good
>I could only take 1:30 of it

>>127636485
this sounds nothing like hecker and also hecker's sound and fennesz by extension isn't a mystery. it's "just" samples (of real world instruments or synths) fed into ppooll and then fucked around with with grm tools and arranged.

>>127637030
>This is really good
>I could only take 1:30 of it
so is it any good or not?
>>127637052
still, max/msp and ppooll are incredibly hard to get into, let alone to do anything listenable with them. there are barely any user friendly resources online on them, and those programs are 100 times more complex than, say, ableton

>>127637104
actually not that hard, they have a dedicated discord and also uploaded some tutorials last year for ppooll specifically. some guy on the discord walked me through getting used to ppooll via screen share. they're all very helpful over there.

i looked up everywhere but i still dont understand it how the fuck do i get midi out of any sample. they make it look so easy on ableton. is it a brainlet problem for fl. whenever i pitch sample and send midi to something its nowhere like that.

also ppoll isn't any more complex than ableton, like 50% of the interface is fluff and it just kinda looks impenetrable cause the ui is 2000s tier

i don’t use ppooll just granulator etc and airwindows and i’m basically tim hecker xd

straight from the heckman

Fellas, is it worth blowing a bunch of money on audiophile headphones so I can mix better?

no just buy a pair of ddt 770 (closed) or 990 (open)

>>127637289
No, get speakers.
I spent the better part of 5-6 years producing and mixing on headphones and my mixes were always off when it came to translation to other soundsystems.

Even the most budget tier monitor speakers will improve your mixes, you dont need big, 2000 dollars elac monitors to produce professional mixes.

>>127637307
The HD560S is a bit cheaper on sale, I could go with that instead

some of my mates gig i'm having a go at mixing for fun

Spoken Word: Washing Machine
https://voca.ro/19YNDCwMaqjk

Asteroid Girl
https://voca.ro/11WY6kK6N2BP

>>127637329
>elac
fucks sake, I mean genelec

How do I make thin vocals fatter, warmer, and fuller?

Using Reaper and I have Ozone 12

>>127637223
>needing this many fx to make a "good" sound

>>127637329
Will any old budget speakers do? I've been eyeing the Creative Pebble for a while now.

>>127637329
any serious producer will have both
priority order of purchases:
>computer
>daw subscription
>monitors
>headphones
>instruments

i've set goals myself and i still wind up doing unrelated shit when im in my DAW

>>127637223
the most inserts i put on one track will be 2, maybe 3 if im feeling a little devilish. why would anyone need this many inserts?

>>127637289
To follow up on this, my current headphones is some fifty dollar corsair crap

>>127637223
My CPU would blush if it could see that.

>>127637357
>Creative Pebble
Nah, too small to have any usable low end.
3" woofers or larger.
Look on used markets yamaha, genelecs, m-audio, focal, presonus and you can pick something half decent up for a 100-200 bucks.

>>127637368
>daw subscription

should i?

>>127637438
>>127637441
duality of /prod/

>>127637452
that isn't a subscription

>>127637452
some people spend more money than time on their productions, thinking it's going elevate them from amateur to professional.

>>127637441
>>127637368
You can just pirate all the software you could every need

>>127637457
Okay

>>127637441
>cubase
why would you purchase the worst daw

i remember the very old quote from some guy from adobe saying that if you dont have the money you can pirate photoshop but when you start to make money from it you should go ahead and buy it
i really dont see a point in dropping several hundred dollars on a DAW when you can just pirate it for free, considering you are most likely a struggling artist who rarely has a lot of money

>>127637465
after going through instances where my daw stopped working and would continually crash, i am not using pirated shit again

>>127637493
>considering you are most likely a struggling artist who rarely has a lot of money
i have saved $20,000 in the last 10 months, i am no longer struggling

>>127635039
>Omnisphere is so nuts man
It was, 14 years ago.
Now it's just a bloated dinosaur for people who love browsing presets.
It's like paying 500 dollars to spend your entire music production career window shopping.

>>127637505
nice noodles, throw some tape saturation on those drums and you got tame impala.

anyone here have a digitone 2

>>127637498
The couple of times I've had problems with a plugin not working I just uninstall and move on.

>>127638061
You can also use windows Reliability Monitor to see what program/plugin that actually crashed your daw instead of having to spend half an evening troubleshooting.

>>127638061
bro this is Soothe2 for me. I love the plugin as well but it can crash an empty project on my computer
shit sucks

>>127638128
>Soothe2
I used to like it, but you can end up in a bad habit of using it to correct poor mixing and the end result is lesser than or worse, just a flat, toothless mix because soothe2 just combs out anything of interest frequency wise.

>>127638300
I use it quite sparingly, mainly for de-harshing hihats

What's a good alternative to Modo Bass? It keeps breaking in me.

How the fuck should I know

>>127638664
Anon, you're an EXPERT musician, I thought you knew everything!

>>127638685
I just fart into my DAW via my sm58 and put reverb on it

>>127638740
That right there is why you're the best, boss.

>>127638740
which reverb?

>>127638829
He won't tell you cause he dudnt doesn't even know what reverb is

>>127637577
you right

Working on some songs for an arctic themed game

https://voca.ro/1mNjX9SDhMME (Fight theme)
https://voca.ro/121CI34WnC9V

>>127637505
The polished pop sounding drum sample you used does not match well with the washed out guitar tones that you have in track, I honestly think the virtual drummer that makes drum beats for you in GarageBand could make a more fitting beat. Other than that the guitars sounded nice, I hope you make more music.

https://voca.ro/1fYt3iXYnq9t

It’s pretty. I’d say about halfway done needs a lot more shit and arranging and mixing but throw suggestions at me lads

>>127637104
It’s good for Hecker stuff, but not my casual listen.

>>127640486
Tighten up the intro, which is a bit long at 0:33. The bass feels like it could have a bit more low mids to tie up the section (you can duck this once the drums come in)

i'm so high... but i have this good groove going

gotta save it somehow

>>127640066
>hurr me put steeldrum in my snow song durr
you're either the biggest tard going, or trolling. not funny regardless.

>>127640066
not sure i heard a single instrument that sounded arctic lol, but i assume you think arctic is when everything is just drenched in reverb
i guess i gotta give you some props for at least working towards a concept

>>127640293
>Ezdrummer, I return my old friend

for mixing/mastering practice.
https://vocaroo.com/11xx5QbMONsU
What are the best practices when using the master?

Nothing on master and compressing the other channels more so touching the master is unneeded? for balance is best practice right?
Leave master level at 0 db and mix up/down what you have so it's balanced for the most part?

Ever put something on the master or just balancing lanes is better?

Let's say that the master track has a limiter on it to keep everything from clipping. But if the limiter was not there, the track would clip in spots.

Is this a problem? or is this really not a problem because the limiter is doing it's job?

Macbook air m4 13" is currently on sale for 899
256gb 16gb
good idea to pick it up?
it should run ableton no problem right

>>127643567
>it should run ableton no problem right
Shouldnt have any problem, 16 gig ram is a bit on the small side depending on how large your projects are and if you're using alot of kontakt libraries, (think movie/tv scoring or studio session tracking). But if it's just making beats and songs and stuff it should be enough.

>>127643699
My biggest project has 40ish tracks
Aight

>>127643567
The Air can't really get too hot for obvious reasons so if you tend to max out your CPU for extended periods of time you'll have it throttle more than you might be anticipating, and you'll have to freeze/bounce your tracks.
The M4 is pretty good, so this might actually never happen, depending on what you do, but it's something to keep in mind.

>256gb
Depending on your usage, you might need to keep an SSD connected to it at all times.

If you're ok with these two issues, it should be perfectly fine for music production.

>>127643703
It depends on what's on the tracks.
Hundreds of light ones (like just samples being read from the drive, or small synths) can take less RAM than just a couple of heavy ones (like giant multisampled libraries).

>>127643567
>it should run ableton no problem right
of course, what year do you think it is m8
only problems you could run into would be with sample libraries (kontakt etc.)
that said, I don't really get why people wanna produce on a laptop. small ass screen and you have to hook up all manner of shit anyway so it's not exactly portable

>>127630983
second track mastered
https://files.catbox.moe/ajmlu9.mp3
>>127636521
heckyeah

>>127641399
Thanks for listening bro - good tips. I’m not really happy at all w the intro and intend to totally rework it tonight

>cant find good vocals on splice (lmao)

Any good ai creator that does long vocals?
Suno is a pain in the ass to edit out vocals from a song

>>127639255
Just checking to say BUGGER OFF!
Galactic Reverb, some shit I nicked off rutracker or something most likely

>>127644469
kys

>>127644469
>lmao
>begging for ai

>>127644697
>>127644742
I mean you guys can sing if you want to
I for one want a good vocal

the next part of this track >>127631858

https://vocaroo.com/1bpZsCfUUwZV

i need to fix my snare :(

https://vocaroo.com/1hNgs95pIMUI
pitch modulation as you change the size of the reverb, really fucking cool

so if a clipper, on drums, shaves of transients which gives you extra db headroom
why shouldnt you clip your drums all the time, say in a drum group?

>>127645101
Sometimes the decay is the same level as the attack so you’re flattening a lot of the drum, is a guess, but you may as well try it every time

>>127645097
very cool

>>127645101
because some are already clipped or sound worse with it.
doing so may alter how more compression/distortion etc down the line interacts

it's a balancing act across how much you add on individual drums, then your busses...
shit's like cooking. little by little as you go, can't do it all in one stage etc

>>127643567
Logic Pro, that’s a good set up but pirating is more difficult

>>127645097
you shillin', son? cause it's worked, that sounds pretty cool.

today i will make crazy impulse responses for teh BASS and make pretty glitchy atmosphere

>>127646064
Bas(s)ed and (impulse)r(espons)edpilled

halp. wtf is happening here in reaper with the glitchy ring mod shit, is my computer or the quad cortex choking? Reckon it's the former as when I added more plugins and cabs it got worse. wat do? thank you

https://vocaroo.com/1fQIphZZI1La 20 sec onwards

>>127638300
Don’t push it too hard?

>>127635039
Yes it’s great for cinematic music. You could have no arms and still make a great soundtrack with it, also it has a great sampler if you can be bothered, but no one can be including myself

>>127647468

WAT indeed. First, Reaper thinks you're using ASIO, but that NeuralDSP control panel says that ASIO isn't active.

Second, why are you showing us a DirectX control panel if you're trying to use ASIO? ASIO skips DirectX subsystem

I think some more manual-reading might be in order for you, your glitches could be some sort of ASIO fuckery and you might need to trace this from start to end to find where the misconfig is

>>127647468
>>127648157

Also, your buffer size in the NeuralDSP control panel is 16 samples, depending on your computer hardware that might be too small, try increasing it to test, it will add more latency but that's the balancing act we play

>>127645101
Because transient dynamics are important for certain sounds. Everyone has been clipping drums and the mix for years in search of loudness and it makes music sound worse on the whole. Then you want to make your mix more dynamic and you try to restore them with expanders.

There are a bunch of "loudness war" examples on old youtube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEFyNdB13vg

You shouldn't always clip or not clip your drums but do what helps the mix. Sometimes those transients are needed to make a song feel alive and in some genres they're fine to clip

>>127648728
This was the "example" I was looking for, classic 2006 youtube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Gmex_4hreQ

>finally listen to album I've been wanting to listen to for 8 years but never got to for whatever reason
>didn't like it, sounded worse than expected
>realize after finishing it that I had my system audio set to mono
>mfw this is like the 10th time it happens

>>127649041
Did that on my phone for 5-8 months recently because some ASMR vids were poorly mixed lol. Was wondering why some albums I knew very well were missing parts I enjoyed

>>127640066
Change the synths at :30ish. Make them more windy sounding - they’re a bit jarring.

The soundtrack is busy which should match the initial pace of the level (is there a build-up that needs a fanfare?)

>>127640066
But the tubular bells/steel pan is good for an adventure side-scroller

>>127626535 (OP)
How do I get my bass to sound like this in Ableton (pic rel). I have a flatwound and a roundwound p bass.

>>127649167
Sound like what?

>>127642807
No one knows best practices but just putting a limiter will crush dynamics.

>>127649290
oh i am a retard

>>127649075
Lmao it's surprisingly easy to not notice if you don't think about it.
It happens while I'm producing as well, but there I notice pretty much immediately.

>>127649167
use a guitar amp you dork have you even checked equipboard yet lol

>>127649167
They have a rigg rundown
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFIt0pNPjmY&ab_channel=PremierGuitar

>>127649167
>>127649290
>>127649290
DFA 1979 bass tone. How can I do it in the box (Ableton)?

>>127650574
Every comment applies. You're a retard who can't click links or post their work

these are not my dreams
i saw death from above two days in a row actually they were insane
IFeelLikeDirt

anyway i just did this all in one sitting (i actually slept last night) and i also finally called to make an appointment I've been putting off for three months now praise me and call me a good girl I DON'T CARE I DON'T CARE I DON'T CAREEE

https://vocaroo.com/15CO7jEZW1NX

>>127645944
lel, just genuinely wanting to share it

>>127650865
Good girl(dog)

>>127650865
i love death, a chill dude

soundfonts test

https://vocaroo.com/19XScpHlju7O

>>127652245
kick hits a bit hard in the mix, distracted me from the rest of the track

>>127641399
https://voca.ro/1katQZVZniTZ

Worked on it for a while tonight what do ya think?

>>127651819
I think he’s asking if you have your shit in the shill thread cus he wants to hear more

>>127650865
:3 very nice
I don't remember what the beat was, but I remember really liking a beat that was on that pink DFA album.

>>127645944
Anon, those time warped sounds aren't hard to make as long as you stack two delays on top of each other and you modulate the delay time to change over time. These wacky sounds I made don't exactly sound the same but I was able to make this in five minutes.
https://vocaroo.com/1of1z5GNQhiu

>>127648157
>>127648279
Thanks m8 now it just werks. Changed to the usb 3.2 port from the 2.0, disabled power saving on the usb ports on device manager, changed buffer size to 128. Ring mod glitch gone, and surprisingly the latency wasn't that bad at 128; the latency was really annoying me before hence I set it at 16. Probably changing the USB port was the one that helped a lot.

Save project.

Reinstall.

Rescan

Restart computer.

>>127649296
It’s ok, you tried

bump

i made 70 songs in the past year
How do I turn those 70 songs into 10-15 good songs so that I can make a decent album?
Like, how do I make the selections for those that have potential? Lets say 20. Then out of those 20 i work on them more, enchancing them, figuring out the weaknesses and what they lack, maybe reworking stuff. Then out of those i select the final 10-15 songs. Is that a good plan? Or is there something else im missing?

>>127658398
Jus b urslef :^)

>>127658398
>Like, how do I make the selections for those that have potential?
>how do i know what sounds good?
anon???

no really: if you're starting out already not having an idea of some sort of through-line, a concept, or *something* to work with, then it's just going to be a random collection of songs.
*for me* patterns just become apparent. for others, they write groups of songs to that point.
if your songs aren't that formed yet, maybe you should come up with a concept and develop them all more to fit it.

>>127658609
well i obviously want my albumnt to be a coherent group of songs but when i made those songs i didn't have an idea in mind, i just go with the flow and figure something out on the way. that's why there are many genres in those 70 songs and a lot of them sound different than each other. I will try to figure out what's the recurring theme and then see what songs fit them.
Also, I have trouble thinking in concepts, especially for electronic music. Like, what concept could there even be? They are abstract music mostly, most of it doesnt even have vocals or lyrics. You mean the concept like some message or situation the album is describing? Like the story behind it? I could work with that and figure something out
But how do I make the songs i finished months ago better? Usually when i feel like they are finished i dont touch them anymore thats why i have no idea what to do

>>127653095
that's really cool thanks for breaking it down
did a little test: https://vocaroo.com/1JvmeWFZunpa

>>127658664
concept isn't inherently about narrative; i use that word specifically to speak to artistic presentation. style/aesthetic is the big one, of course, but it can also be as specific as "these are all drums with autistic focus on the drums" "me studying this style of harmony..." etc (a.g cook style), or as vague as "sad songs."
if your music is "abstract" the common thing may just be the sound palette that you use.
i would throw out OPN as an example where the songs can all be pretty whacked out but there's an obviously audible style, and there are small consistent details imparted onto pre-existing compositions (e.g all the vocals are processed one way, it's consistently produced to be "lo-fi and dreamy" a lot of analog, a lot of in your face retro-digital sounds etc).

if the songs are finished then maybe you need to un-bake and re-produce them to fit together more cohesively. or not. i haven't heard them. idk.

i use presets now

I've seen talk of people making out that Fruity Limiter just isn't that good, is this true? What 3rd party limiters do anons use (in whatever DAW you use)?

>>127659423
let's hear them then, champ, post a preset song for us

>>127659523
i'm not done yet :(

chris johnson should make a container plugin like snapheap/multipass where you can click to menu to select a plugin, and where all the crossovers are built in and you can select which of his algorithms you want to use. and then macros/lfos, of course.
that would be so swag.

okay i'm posting it

https://vocaroo.com/17JfbUBsqAFn

>>127659664
Boy do I have news for you

>>127659879
Is this the preset song?
What did you use?

i literally can't make music because sound selection is too difficult

>>127660775
just copy other people

>>127660403
+fm8 (dx7 e-piano basically)

>>127660879
Based

so is 174 the max bpm i should go for if?

my stupid adhd brain always wants at least 180

>>127660949
The human ear can only perceive up to 128 BPM

>>127660963
house producers piss me off so much

I just found this track on my drive, and I remember I made the background texture by using some program that allowed you to turn files into audio data. and this audio file is called WoW.exe on my pc, so I'm pretty sure I put the WoW exe or its Desktop shortcut into that conversion program. Does anyone know what program that might've been? I thought maybe it was audacity but maybe not.
It sounded very cool.

https://voca.ro/1omMEUtAJpqq

>>127660969
Yeah I'm more into field producers myself

>>127659879
global communication type beat

https://vocaroo.com/1fWou8GszrwX

Had a fucking helluva time getting the pitch right for the vocals cus I’m retarded. Anyway I’m gonna keep rearranging it but it’s sounding pretty sweet

>>127659879
Sounds lovely

>>127660775
I am also terrible at sound selection
>And at melody, structure, rhythm, production

>>127661638
I'm actually a god at melody and harmony, I just never know how to actually arrange my shit or what type of music to package it as because my brain conjures a dance version, orchestral version, soundtrack version and r&b version simultaneously.

i give up
https://vocaroo.com/19geDqq2zsYC

>>127661464
This sounds smooth as fuck, but there's something funky going on with the chords in the breakdown part in the middle, some disharmony. If you cant tell, transpose the whole thing up 4-5 semitones and you'll hear it with fresh ears and you'll probably hear what I'm refering to.

I think i'm going to abandon my modestly successful band camp and sound cloud but starting over is too much of a commitment.

>>127661464
buy the licensing for it.

>>127662101
I like it, really enjoyed the slowed down progressive trance vibe of it, but I'm not so certain about the very exagerated 909 kick, it really draws your attention away from the rest of the track, maybe a shorter kick with a faster pitch. But that might be an aesthetic choice on your part so opinions might differ.

>>127662155
no

>>127662128
Okay thanks a lot anon

>>127662165
Noted, ill experiment with a tighter kick, and put some more effort into the whole thing tomorrow. I was going for a deep house vibe at first, i ended up defaulting to trance lol

>>127644099
Add bitches too. I sampled the audio from lesbian scenes in The Unbewrabke Lightness of Being.

https://voca.ro/18EPszRhKn35
tried to do an industrial song, what is that i'm doing very wrong

>>127662812
everything is mixed like it's part of a separate song

https://vocaroo.com/1htnJOlUupel

now i rest

>>127662101
>>127662310
BPM is a bit low for Trance, but it does have a trance-y feel to it. Doesn't really sound Deep House though. It's probably closer to Melodic House. The issue though is that feels a bit too disjointed, like there's too much going on, too many different sounds, and they aren't fitting together that well, especially the first half. It's not that they couldn't work together... they just aren't right now. I like from ~1:50 to the end though, but that weird noise is kind of harsh to listen to.
Is this the kind of vibe you were going for, as an example?
https://youtu.be/_KGRzOKclfc

t. the trance anon from /dmp/

>>127662443
holy based
I added morrissey

>>127626535 (OP)
Dr. Dre is hands down my favorite producer. Only his pre chronic album work tho

Eazy-E - Cassette Single (1988)

https://youtu.be/eTPAOfo8b0E?si=JH14rxZR7C1xl6cs

>>127662128
Did I fix the keys…? I feel like I did but I’ve got ear blindness going on even after following your suggestion. And is it too bassy now towards the end?

>>127662128
Sorry I’m a fucktard and forgot the link. Here it is

https://vocaroo.com/1gdxzuo2Y91J

>>127663296
Fucking sweet as usual tranny-kun
Thanks for posting.
Do you post in the shill thread? I really like your music and would like to hear more. This is probably my favorite thing you've posted

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvdpsp_i3GA
BRB adding Pennsylvania Dutch predrops to all my bangers

I bought a new bridge for both the stratocaster and jazzmaster and some 12-54 gauge strings, along with some 60-120 for the bass. still thinking of getting a 5 string bass. anyone got some recommendations?

im totally deaf to this song now can i get a second opinion ?

you won't see the second vocal sample @ ~1:15 coming lol
https://vocaroo.com/1cSIzC4xe1IE

trading feedback if thats a thing here

>>127665827
LOL LOL I FORGOR TO LINK FOROG TO LINK THA VOCAROO https://voca.ro/1bYCgTAmynho

>>127663296
oyasumi senpai :3
>>127664014
>tranny-kun
x_x
>>127665836
I dig the dazed dreamy atmosphere you got going on there.

>>127665832
i didn't see it coming but it fits so well there. my only note is that i feel like it could use a unifying motif/theme. it's very crisp and refreshing and groovy, but it felt like 3 different songlets. but that's a matter of opinion.

hey, what's the first vocal sample ? she sounds like Toxe

>>127665951
yeah you're not wrong. i'm prone to writing in a way where i just continue finding vibes i like and then trying to string them together. will try to work on it

First vocal? S.P. Lice lol

>>127658609
>how do i know what sounds good?
I know there’s a lot of hobbyists here who enjoy making their own beats. It’s great you can do that. But if you’re asking this question, the answer is, your music doesn’t sound good. You’re not going to fool people by putting out stuff you yourself are indifferent about, and shouldn’t. You should more respect for yourself and the public.

>>127626535 (OP)
wip https://voca.ro/1gTwln8qU1KH

>>127666669
you misunderstood me, i mean't how do i know how to improve a song when im reworking the track to be better. i have some small following and couple of sales already and i always try to make good music. i enjoy listening to my music
also, i didn't even write the sentence you are quoting
the whole point is to make something that sounds good. but when i finish a track i struggle with finding out ways to further improve the song cause i want to make 1 concise album out of everything i worked on for the past year

>>127667069
Nta, but do you use reference tracks?
When I listen to great music similar to mine, then switch to one of my tracks, it's immediately apparent where and how mine is worse and needs work (for most tracks it's pretty much everything lol).

>>127667124
i do sometimes use reference tracks at the start of a project just to get the ball rolling and to pick up some initial basic stuff, then i usually continue on my own. but that's a great idea, i will try out that approach

>my country blocked rapidgator
It's over

>>127667362
VPN's, motherfucker, do you know them?

>>127667427
Brother I'm sad about not being able to access Rapidgator, do you think I have money for VPNs?

But I'm just being dramatic, it's probably just a DNS block and it still works on the computer. I'm just bummed about it not working on the phone (where I don't want to change the DNS)

tis but a shitpost(183bpm)
https://vocaroo.com/1abOH23rSj1T
>>127663296
0:55 onward sounds blissful
>>127666960
I love this, highs are harsh and clicky
>>127663529
i suck ass at labeling genres, my thought process was to create some sort of a deep vibe revolving around the clap timbre, with some tech house percussion + techno rumble kick, with a deep groovy bass. your reference track perfectly reflects what I was going for mid-production. I'll make two different tracks recycling the same drums, one similar to your ref track(I wanna try some brass), and a second for what I was going for at first(sidechained/gated chords): https://youtu.be/qKsVoTOSbuE?si=f5wfK8aNMJ99qjX9&t=61

think it might be a good idea to try to cover a simple song in order to get used to working in Ableton. any suggestions? i was thinking nightcall or real human bean

>>127670237
better than that: put the track you wanna cover into the ableton project and analyze the different parts. then use those relationships as a guideline. fuck it, use the same chords if you wanna.

i found that to be a more fulfilling, experimental, and educational way to play with ableton. and that way, there's no way for your anything you do to be "wrong" because it's still mostly original

>>127670237
>>127670630
Do both obviously.

>>127669385
All the various sub-genres are a pain in the ass, ESPECIALLY for House... but in my mind, generally at least, Melodic and Progressive House are basically Trance, but at a slower BPM (120-130) with less filler and much more subtle build/release structures.

Is there room for vocals on this?

https://voca.ro/1obdTnmH75uc

>>127671849
>grab a mic or your phone or whatever
>sing som gibberish into it, dont think about lyrics at this point, just basic melody lines
>put it on the track
>see if it works
>success

what synth is used at the start?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBsVQft7lSs

>>127671969
>what synth is used at the start?
It's a guitar mate

>>127672003
>It's a guitar mate
how do they get that sound in that quick intro solo?

>>127672176
>>127671969
why are zoomers like this

>>127672209
what's wrong with the question? I'm just asking how they got a sound. If it wasn't a synth then what sort of fx pedal was it?

>>127672230
It's two guitars, playing the same run an octave apart, panned hard left/right.

here you can hear them seperately. Just split the stereo track.
https://vocaroo.com/14uCCuyMaK7s

>>127672230
it took me about 90 seconds to track down what was likely used.
>what's wrong with the question?
you've shown that you put negative effort into an already dumb question and you don't deserve an answer

>>127672289
To add, if you want that effect yourself, just record your guitar.
Copy it into two tracks.
Take on guitar, run it through an amp sim plugin.
Take the other track, pitch it up an octave, run it through an amp sim plugin.
For that extra chorusy sound, take one of them and put it 20ms behind the other.

>>127672289
>>127672389
>it's 2 guitars
no it's not. it's just every amp's standard octave up stock effect. hsd that on my line 6, on my vox... always sounds weird like this. definitely nothing as fancy as two separate guitar recordings

>>127672545
It was recorded in the 1980s. Amps didnt have that function back then, most likely just guitar into a splitter, one into one amp, another into a octave pedal into another amp.

>>127672579
so then it was an octave pedal, whatever it was, it wasn't 2 separate takes

>>127672595
Imagine being this much of a faggot that you're going to nitpick that it wasnt two fucking guitars but a pedal, even though the effect and end result is going to be the same. Fucking christ.

on what planet does that sound like an octave lmao

>>127672654
on any planet that isnt inhabited by the tonedeaf

>>127672673
listen to the last notes tail out if you can't keep up.
those are different notes you retard.

>>127672691
damn, I really wanna hear your music now, it must sound... interesting

you're right i'm killiing myself

>>127672648
>nitpick that it wasnt two fucking guitars but a pedal, even though the effect and end result is going to be the same. Fucking christ.
not at all the same, retard price shifting algorithms sound fundamentally different from just recording the instrument an octave higher. you'd know if you made music.

>>127672291
>it took me about 90 seconds to track down what was likely used.
How did you track it down?

>>127671969
>>127672289
I don't think that's just a pitch shift. It almost sounds like they are using another effect as well.

>>127673070
No you're right. There's some short slapback reverb/delay on both and they're slightly out of time with each other (probably to create as wide of an effect as possible) so it sounds kinda chorusy.

>>127673026
wikipedia. google the guitarists name + rig.
that information is widely available for anything popular.
anyway that shit is pretty of its time.
the guy named a 5150 specifically for "van halen esque tones."

i don't know what you''re doing but amp sims are widely available too and you don't need a clone to get a similar sound, though you will need a lot more to get an exact sound.

>>127673147
>anyway that shit is pretty of its time.
was winger that good?

>>127673325
well, i can't name a single song by then. i just meant that their songwriting and sound is clearly influenced by their contemporaries and trend chasing (i'd assume) (like the aforementioned van halen).
with the trappings of that, one can assume a lot about how they were produced- even if they're not well documented themselves, you'll get similar, if not better information looking up any of their contemporaries.

>buzzing sound on the left ear cup of headphones when there's subbass
any fix or is it owari da

>>127673370
Their most famous song is probably 17:
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=KsthiOYDM9A

>>127673413
well...

i'm gonna go listen to motley crue now

they used double harmonizers

>>127673440
I also like motley crue more.
I haven't listened to much winger, but i think this is their best song: https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=CDUxmRBWncE

>>127672545
>it's just every amp's standard octave up stock effect.
lmao

>>127673659
yeah i dont think most amps have octave up effects

>>127652451
Intro is still
Too long get rid of 2 - 4 bars (I think I counted 10 in the beginning)

The drumbeats feel
A little ahead of the beat, which clashes with the laidback keys

>>127658398
Just keep producing stuff. You can put stuff up in Bandcamp and Spotify if you want to use it as a portfolio.

NOBODY HERE WILL EVER MAKE ANYTHING THIS GOOD

AND IT WAS DESIGNED TO BE THE MOST ANNOYING TUNE OF ALL TIME

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTHjtd06V-s

>>127674309
>i wanna 121 with you
it's literally fucking catchy if they were selling some actual product i would have bought it by now

>>127674608
Wheeeee!
https://vocaroo.com/11btawG9YXgl

>>127664014
> Do you post in the shill thread? I
thanks but no i don’t lol sry

>same name on disc
Like ten years ago I bought a couple stacks of lightscribe CDs thinking I would make a mini album or something and print them myself... never did anything (._. )
If I purchase your album, will the money find its way to you? lol
Perhaps this holiday season...
Just talking to myself. hitorigoto.desu.

>>127675786
dang i keep forgetting to take that out

i haven’t set up the pay thing and don’t plan to because i have negative money anyway

>>127675859
Shoot, I was thinking it would be worth it for all your vocaroos that I have saved. Someday you're gonna make it. I just know it.

>>127676016
lol thanks, but genuinely you should bet on a mental breakdown before "makes it."

i use the exact same harmor sample in every song

why do none of the stock Ableton synth presets sound good

>>127676136
I hope not. When I think of making it, I think of making it spiritually. Continuing to have your music out there resonating with people. It's all part of the keikaku.

>>127676510
yeah same. that's a pretty reasonable goal

goodnight bros we will make more bangers tomorrow
zzz

I took a track of one of the anons from the thread and made a video for this track
https://youtu.be/idNmMRDHE_0?si=KxZX0iskYxEBB5Ps

>>127677461
how many hours does something like this take you?

>>127677461
terrible tiktok-style sloppa for retards

Been sketching this today, any thoughts?
https://voca.ro/12TAp8m3qKJx
I am already planning on how to build on it I'm very excited

>>127677603
idk just slices of my works in programs. I've done them at different times.
>>127677626
Yeah bro, it's trending

>>127677626
Bravo

>>127677867
>it's trending
yours sure as fuck isn't, and if it does it's not gonna be on your lazy done-to-death visuals, it will be from anon's WIP that you stole from these threads. maybe take another 3 year break until you think of some original ideas.

>>127679003
Settle down shitlord. It’s a neat little video he made off a random vocaroo from a /prod/ thread lmfao all worked up posting Reddit burns

>>127631242
Good on you, I hate stacking. I know what it's supposed to do, but every time I've ever had it done for me or tried doing it, I never like it, without exception. I think the only time it makes sense is for shit like Nirvana when it's a production choice and not an engineering trick. And if I'm not performing the take closely enough, what does that mean? That you can hear it? So the point is to *not* hear it? So then how about just not doing it?! What am I missing

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