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Previous: >>127580702

owo

https://vocaroo.com/1Km0wkQGuDG7

split processing on the drum tracks produce good results.

i've been using the exact same reese sample every time for two years now

fox stevenson has some really good livestreams to learn from
but his latest output is pretty underwhelming. it's okay but only people who are really into fox stevenson will really enjoy.

why is eq set up in a way that the bandwidth between 1k and 5k doesn't have much resolution?

stop doing it, anon

>>127626535 (OP)
Give me constructive criticism and win one (1) free wish from Cat Genie:

https://voca.ro/1bTGj4aJuIzx

>>127626575
Makes sense - drum kit is just a condensed orchestra, why not get the same control for every limb?

>>127627473
easier to control things like the cymbals and snare

>>127627462
thought it was going to be cool at the start and then the rest of the arrangement came in and all the timing was absolutely fucked

>>127627462
why is it so out of time?

>>127626570
I added bitches:
https://voca.ro/19SmCNpgrOLY

>>127627487
I was doing it rubato but you right
>you rite
you rite
>you rite

>>127627642
my dude i was trying to NOT scare the hoes damn

what kind of blanket eq should i use on the entire mix?

>>127626570
>>127627642
Based.

why does this happen? why does a production need so many different engineers?

>>127627462
The drums sound like complete ass in the mix, it sounds like something an AI would generate. I would use midi drums as a placeholder if you can't record real drums properly, whatever you're using right now isn't working out.

>>127627820
Producer’s like director of a movie
2nd guy records stuff, does takes like cameraman
3rd mixes editors
Next two are assistants setting up equipment etc
Last guy masters polishes, fixes the final mix

>>127627803
none just eq the individual tracks

>>127627820
>producer
>"what kinda sound you want? okay" *sets up mics*
>actually fucking mixed
>bitchwork (organizing and labeling 200 fucking tracks)
>bitchwork (editing out all the breaths, squeaks, noise, doing comps if he's lucky)
>got paid to be here

>>127627876
>none just eq the individual tracks
i find the mix is too muddy if i dont apply a slight high boost to the overall mix

After spending a long time on ableton then getting logic on iPad, I’m enjoying it so far playing round but haven’t made anything. Logic holds your hand more, gives you better sounds by far, ableton is more blank page

>>127627887
it's not *wrong* to eq your final mix, but if that's something that consistently happens and or you're just working on the track, aware of the mud, you're 100% just being lazy.
that laziness is very likely to be bleeding onto the rest of your output.

>>127627942
if its not wrong then how am i being lazy? aren't i solving the problem?

On a side note, have you guys seen the interview with David Gilmour? 2 hours long but super interesting as they only talk about the craft of making music and engineering etc. and not the usual talks about the breakup drama etc.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OT_KFCidz_s

>>127627960
it is not *theoretically* wrong

you are accustomed to boosting the highs of *everything* rather than learning how to mix in such a way that you're getting enough highs from the start, or otherwise contemplating why this is happening in the first place. that is lazy.

>>127627991
hands down one of my favorite guitarists. so inspiring.
zero interest in what this guy has to say about "engineering" lmao

>>127628006
then i will take it off and find ways for the individual elements to shine but i also can't help but feel a mix bus eq helps to tie the overall project together

>>127628025
I don't understand. You don't want to watch the interview? He goes deep into how he creates his music. The interviewer is very good.

>>127628142
i was being a dick, sorry.

We are the music makers

I use my openbacks and my monitors at the same time

>>127628949
holy chad

https://vocaroo.com/1iXs3DzDacC1

>house
>electronic

current WIP

>>127627834
Thanks and you’re right - I was using it as a placeholder.

>>127628493
we are the dreamers of dreams

https://vocaroo.com/12Pru1G5B8w9

https://vocaroo.com/17FNMlRphlE2

are these good enough to show to people or should i be embarrassed about them?

im reading the manual

decided to scale back my guitar tracks and only have two instead of the four and simply turn up the two i already have. sounds a bit clearer

>>127630983
Both of them are let down by the drums

>>127630983
Would add a shaker at around the :47 mark.
something that goes 1234/1234 1234/1234
Would layer with other sounds.
Add drums, breaks and cymbals. Or just a really good verb'd snare.

>>127631196
im reading reddit

>>127630983
>>127631247
r8/h8 my master
https://files.catbox.moe/27b6dn.mp3

https://vocaroo.com/1f72rfjjfdkR

quick idea i just started

>>127627820
It's just how boomers and Xers operate. They'll waste money on having all kinds of "assistants" and "engineers" who can do what they should know how to do, just to have a bunch of dudes to establish a social hierarchy among.

>>127631247
yeah i like shitty old drum machines too much
>>127631293
i sort of really suck cock at high end mixing so i tend to stay away from cymbals, will take a shaker into consideration tho
>>127631537
my headphones are too shit to tell what exactly what you did but it does sound better desu thanks broski

>>127627942
Meh. You're trying too hard to be that guy. EQ on the master is lazy, sure, but if you don't suck at mixing it'll work just fine. It's often necessary because if you start by lasering in on details, youll often end up with something that's well balanced but doesn't quite have the right overall profile.

>>127631893
> Meh. You're trying too hard to be that guy
i was restraining myself from calling him deaf and dumb actually.
how hard is it to work backwards in this situation:
>”fuck that anon! i’m going to EQ the master!”
>*adds 6db shelf at 4k*
>* self doubt* “what is… changing here..?”
>”was it my kick drum that needed that boost or was it my piano? is something in particular easier to hear now..?”
>”what if i tried instead to eq..”
>”haha just kidding! idc!” *exports and repeat*
come on

> but if you don't suck at mixing it'll work just fine
see that’s really part of a larger problem. that guy sucks at mixing.
“that’s not technically wrong ;)” advice really only helps people who already know what they’re doing.
telling people who don’t know what they’re doing to do things the “right” way is like a guard rail to guide them into actually learning what they’re doing so they can circle back and get good enough to bend those rules.

>>127630983
Just weak melody and drums imo. Nothing satisfying or tension building about the first track. Keep at it though man

>>127631880
just got my hand on ozone, so take this as a rough guide:
Ozone mastering chain: subtle low and high shelf EQ -> light expansion on lows and highs -> stereo imaging(mono on bass, stereo on high mids and highs) -> clarity(resonance control) -> stabilizer(tonal balance/frequency correction) -> subtle dynamic EQ on mids and highs -> maximizer with transient emphasis.
Very subtle high air -> glue compression at -1.2db -> limiter.

>>127629070
Cool stuff but I would say a bit too much processing on the vocals. Sounds like you are stacking OTTs or something. I like how wide it sounds though.

>>127632541
thanks anon. yeah, i'm using soundtoys' microshift on some of the vocals. i'll definitely tone it down a bit. appreciate the listen. i also have to tone down that bell sound IMO, it's part of the sample and i'm trying to lessen it's resonance. will probably change a few of the synth leads, move stuff around etc.

>>127627834
You get one (1) wish from Cat Genie.

>>127627551
>professin' my sins UwU

I wanted to see how banjo works in a "hyperpop" context. It works and the whistle tone (sine wave) works to wrap the mix up with a wide reverb. I like it and I'll work to get this shit up to portfolio standards.

>I offer Ashbie as my sincere apologies, oh great anons

Omnisphere is so nuts man, people who think it's just a rompler are dumb. It has Virtual Analog oscillators for a lot of the best sounding synths out there which were made in collab with the people in charge like Dave Smith. This thing is just as good at just being synth as Uhe Diva but then it has like 10 more things on top. UI is a bit gay though I must admit.

>>127635039
>people in charge like Dave Smith
Dave Smith isn't in charge of shit
https://youtu.be/yj9YcCOioZE

wow bro you're so funny

>>127635151
>t. hasn't even been

>>127635039
Speak engrish

>>127635039
nuh uh romper bad
>gay as an insult in current year
yeah nobody should take your opinion seriously

>>127635126
this timeline is cursed

>>127631880
FACTS MACHINE

>>127632239
If you reformat that, I think we’d be able to help:
>who is we
Fu niggrs

>>127627487
I’m using this as a chorus, what do you think works for a verse?

>>127627551
I was going for the behind the beat feel but I didn’t pull it off

>>127635294
i only "mastered" his track, it was my first time doing it too

>>127635039
>Virtual Analog oscillators
VA doesn't mean what you think it means

>>127635593
>virtual analog doesn't mean digital oscillators which were modeled after analog oscillators
ok

>>127635792
VA refers to filters by Zavalishin. "Virtual Analog" oscillators means nothing

https://vocaroo.com/1mvgyzYQVLHD

zillenial tim hecker is back with a new banger
slowly but surely hecker's sound is ceasing to be such a mystery

>>127635536
KEEP
GOING

Hope you're all doing marvelously well!

>>127627797
Tame the hoes my son

>>127636485
This is really good
>I could only take 1:30 of it

>>127636485
this sounds nothing like hecker and also hecker's sound and fennesz by extension isn't a mystery. it's "just" samples (of real world instruments or synths) fed into ppooll and then fucked around with with grm tools and arranged.

>>127637030
>This is really good
>I could only take 1:30 of it
so is it any good or not?
>>127637052
still, max/msp and ppooll are incredibly hard to get into, let alone to do anything listenable with them. there are barely any user friendly resources online on them, and those programs are 100 times more complex than, say, ableton

>>127637104
actually not that hard, they have a dedicated discord and also uploaded some tutorials last year for ppooll specifically. some guy on the discord walked me through getting used to ppooll via screen share. they're all very helpful over there.

i looked up everywhere but i still dont understand it how the fuck do i get midi out of any sample. they make it look so easy on ableton. is it a brainlet problem for fl. whenever i pitch sample and send midi to something its nowhere like that.

also ppoll isn't any more complex than ableton, like 50% of the interface is fluff and it just kinda looks impenetrable cause the ui is 2000s tier

i don’t use ppooll just granulator etc and airwindows and i’m basically tim hecker xd

straight from the heckman

Fellas, is it worth blowing a bunch of money on audiophile headphones so I can mix better?

no just buy a pair of ddt 770 (closed) or 990 (open)

>>127637289
No, get speakers.
I spent the better part of 5-6 years producing and mixing on headphones and my mixes were always off when it came to translation to other soundsystems.

Even the most budget tier monitor speakers will improve your mixes, you dont need big, 2000 dollars elac monitors to produce professional mixes.

>>127637307
The HD560S is a bit cheaper on sale, I could go with that instead

some of my mates gig i'm having a go at mixing for fun

Spoken Word: Washing Machine
https://voca.ro/19YNDCwMaqjk

Asteroid Girl
https://voca.ro/11WY6kK6N2BP

>>127637329
>elac
fucks sake, I mean genelec

How do I make thin vocals fatter, warmer, and fuller?

Using Reaper and I have Ozone 12

>>127637223
>needing this many fx to make a "good" sound

>>127637329
Will any old budget speakers do? I've been eyeing the Creative Pebble for a while now.

>>127637329
any serious producer will have both
priority order of purchases:
>computer
>daw subscription
>monitors
>headphones
>instruments

i've set goals myself and i still wind up doing unrelated shit when im in my DAW

>>127637223
the most inserts i put on one track will be 2, maybe 3 if im feeling a little devilish. why would anyone need this many inserts?

>>127637289
To follow up on this, my current headphones is some fifty dollar corsair crap

>>127637223
My CPU would blush if it could see that.

>>127637357
>Creative Pebble
Nah, too small to have any usable low end.
3" woofers or larger.
Look on used markets yamaha, genelecs, m-audio, focal, presonus and you can pick something half decent up for a 100-200 bucks.

>>127637368
>daw subscription

should i?

>>127637438
>>127637441
duality of /prod/

>>127637452
that isn't a subscription

>>127637452
some people spend more money than time on their productions, thinking it's going elevate them from amateur to professional.

>>127637441
>>127637368
You can just pirate all the software you could every need

>>127637457
Okay

>>127637441
>cubase
why would you purchase the worst daw

i remember the very old quote from some guy from adobe saying that if you dont have the money you can pirate photoshop but when you start to make money from it you should go ahead and buy it
i really dont see a point in dropping several hundred dollars on a DAW when you can just pirate it for free, considering you are most likely a struggling artist who rarely has a lot of money

>>127637465
after going through instances where my daw stopped working and would continually crash, i am not using pirated shit again

>>127637493
>considering you are most likely a struggling artist who rarely has a lot of money
i have saved $20,000 in the last 10 months, i am no longer struggling

>>127635039
>Omnisphere is so nuts man
It was, 14 years ago.
Now it's just a bloated dinosaur for people who love browsing presets.
It's like paying 500 dollars to spend your entire music production career window shopping.

>>127637505
nice noodles, throw some tape saturation on those drums and you got tame impala.

anyone here have a digitone 2

>>127637498
The couple of times I've had problems with a plugin not working I just uninstall and move on.

>>127638061
You can also use windows Reliability Monitor to see what program/plugin that actually crashed your daw instead of having to spend half an evening troubleshooting.

>>127638061
bro this is Soothe2 for me. I love the plugin as well but it can crash an empty project on my computer
shit sucks

>>127638128
>Soothe2
I used to like it, but you can end up in a bad habit of using it to correct poor mixing and the end result is lesser than or worse, just a flat, toothless mix because soothe2 just combs out anything of interest frequency wise.

>>127638300
I use it quite sparingly, mainly for de-harshing hihats

What's a good alternative to Modo Bass? It keeps breaking in me.

How the fuck should I know

>>127638664
Anon, you're an EXPERT musician, I thought you knew everything!

>>127638685
I just fart into my DAW via my sm58 and put reverb on it

>>127638740
That right there is why you're the best, boss.

>>127638740
which reverb?

>>127638829
He won't tell you cause he dudnt doesn't even know what reverb is

>>127637577
you right

Working on some songs for an arctic themed game

https://voca.ro/1mNjX9SDhMME (Fight theme)
https://voca.ro/121CI34WnC9V

>>127637505
The polished pop sounding drum sample you used does not match well with the washed out guitar tones that you have in track, I honestly think the virtual drummer that makes drum beats for you in GarageBand could make a more fitting beat. Other than that the guitars sounded nice, I hope you make more music.

https://voca.ro/1fYt3iXYnq9t

It’s pretty. I’d say about halfway done needs a lot more shit and arranging and mixing but throw suggestions at me lads

>>127637104
It’s good for Hecker stuff, but not my casual listen.

>>127640486
Tighten up the intro, which is a bit long at 0:33. The bass feels like it could have a bit more low mids to tie up the section (you can duck this once the drums come in)

i'm so high... but i have this good groove going

gotta save it somehow

>>127640066
>hurr me put steeldrum in my snow song durr
you're either the biggest tard going, or trolling. not funny regardless.

>>127640066
not sure i heard a single instrument that sounded arctic lol, but i assume you think arctic is when everything is just drenched in reverb
i guess i gotta give you some props for at least working towards a concept

>>127640293
>Ezdrummer, I return my old friend

for mixing/mastering practice.
https://vocaroo.com/11xx5QbMONsU
What are the best practices when using the master?

Nothing on master and compressing the other channels more so touching the master is unneeded? for balance is best practice right?
Leave master level at 0 db and mix up/down what you have so it's balanced for the most part?

Ever put something on the master or just balancing lanes is better?

Let's say that the master track has a limiter on it to keep everything from clipping. But if the limiter was not there, the track would clip in spots.

Is this a problem? or is this really not a problem because the limiter is doing it's job?

Macbook air m4 13" is currently on sale for 899
256gb 16gb
good idea to pick it up?
it should run ableton no problem right

>>127643567
>it should run ableton no problem right
Shouldnt have any problem, 16 gig ram is a bit on the small side depending on how large your projects are and if you're using alot of kontakt libraries, (think movie/tv scoring or studio session tracking). But if it's just making beats and songs and stuff it should be enough.

>>127643699
My biggest project has 40ish tracks
Aight

>>127643567
The Air can't really get too hot for obvious reasons so if you tend to max out your CPU for extended periods of time you'll have it throttle more than you might be anticipating, and you'll have to freeze/bounce your tracks.
The M4 is pretty good, so this might actually never happen, depending on what you do, but it's something to keep in mind.

>256gb
Depending on your usage, you might need to keep an SSD connected to it at all times.

If you're ok with these two issues, it should be perfectly fine for music production.

>>127643703
It depends on what's on the tracks.
Hundreds of light ones (like just samples being read from the drive, or small synths) can take less RAM than just a couple of heavy ones (like giant multisampled libraries).

>>127643567
>it should run ableton no problem right
of course, what year do you think it is m8
only problems you could run into would be with sample libraries (kontakt etc.)
that said, I don't really get why people wanna produce on a laptop. small ass screen and you have to hook up all manner of shit anyway so it's not exactly portable

>>127630983
second track mastered
https://files.catbox.moe/ajmlu9.mp3
>>127636521
heckyeah

>>127641399
Thanks for listening bro - good tips. I’m not really happy at all w the intro and intend to totally rework it tonight

>cant find good vocals on splice (lmao)

Any good ai creator that does long vocals?
Suno is a pain in the ass to edit out vocals from a song

>>127639255
Just checking to say BUGGER OFF!
Galactic Reverb, some shit I nicked off rutracker or something most likely

>>127644469
kys

>>127644469
>lmao
>begging for ai

>>127644697
>>127644742
I mean you guys can sing if you want to
I for one want a good vocal

the next part of this track >>127631858

https://vocaroo.com/1bpZsCfUUwZV

i need to fix my snare :(

https://vocaroo.com/1hNgs95pIMUI
pitch modulation as you change the size of the reverb, really fucking cool

so if a clipper, on drums, shaves of transients which gives you extra db headroom
why shouldnt you clip your drums all the time, say in a drum group?

>>127645101
Sometimes the decay is the same level as the attack so you’re flattening a lot of the drum, is a guess, but you may as well try it every time

>>127645097
very cool

>>127645101
because some are already clipped or sound worse with it.
doing so may alter how more compression/distortion etc down the line interacts

it's a balancing act across how much you add on individual drums, then your busses...
shit's like cooking. little by little as you go, can't do it all in one stage etc

>>127643567
Logic Pro, that’s a good set up but pirating is more difficult

>>127645097
you shillin', son? cause it's worked, that sounds pretty cool.

today i will make crazy impulse responses for teh BASS and make pretty glitchy atmosphere

>>127646064
Bas(s)ed and (impulse)r(espons)edpilled

halp. wtf is happening here in reaper with the glitchy ring mod shit, is my computer or the quad cortex choking? Reckon it's the former as when I added more plugins and cabs it got worse. wat do? thank you

https://vocaroo.com/1fQIphZZI1La 20 sec onwards

>>127638300
Don’t push it too hard?

>>127635039
Yes it’s great for cinematic music. You could have no arms and still make a great soundtrack with it, also it has a great sampler if you can be bothered, but no one can be including myself

>>127647468

WAT indeed. First, Reaper thinks you're using ASIO, but that NeuralDSP control panel says that ASIO isn't active.

Second, why are you showing us a DirectX control panel if you're trying to use ASIO? ASIO skips DirectX subsystem

I think some more manual-reading might be in order for you, your glitches could be some sort of ASIO fuckery and you might need to trace this from start to end to find where the misconfig is

>>127647468
>>127648157

Also, your buffer size in the NeuralDSP control panel is 16 samples, depending on your computer hardware that might be too small, try increasing it to test, it will add more latency but that's the balancing act we play

>>127645101
Because transient dynamics are important for certain sounds. Everyone has been clipping drums and the mix for years in search of loudness and it makes music sound worse on the whole. Then you want to make your mix more dynamic and you try to restore them with expanders.

There are a bunch of "loudness war" examples on old youtube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEFyNdB13vg

You shouldn't always clip or not clip your drums but do what helps the mix. Sometimes those transients are needed to make a song feel alive and in some genres they're fine to clip

>>127648728
This was the "example" I was looking for, classic 2006 youtube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Gmex_4hreQ

>finally listen to album I've been wanting to listen to for 8 years but never got to for whatever reason
>didn't like it, sounded worse than expected
>realize after finishing it that I had my system audio set to mono
>mfw this is like the 10th time it happens

>>127649041
Did that on my phone for 5-8 months recently because some ASMR vids were poorly mixed lol. Was wondering why some albums I knew very well were missing parts I enjoyed

>>127640066
Change the synths at :30ish. Make them more windy sounding - they’re a bit jarring.

The soundtrack is busy which should match the initial pace of the level (is there a build-up that needs a fanfare?)

>>127640066
But the tubular bells/steel pan is good for an adventure side-scroller

>>127626535 (OP)
How do I get my bass to sound like this in Ableton (pic rel). I have a flatwound and a roundwound p bass.

>>127649167
Sound like what?

>>127642807
No one knows best practices but just putting a limiter will crush dynamics.

>>127649290
oh i am a retard

>>127649075
Lmao it's surprisingly easy to not notice if you don't think about it.
It happens while I'm producing as well, but there I notice pretty much immediately.

>>127649167
use a guitar amp you dork have you even checked equipboard yet lol

>>127649167
They have a rigg rundown
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFIt0pNPjmY&ab_channel=PremierGuitar

>>127649167
>>127649290
>>127649290
DFA 1979 bass tone. How can I do it in the box (Ableton)?

>>127650574
Every comment applies. You're a retard who can't click links or post their work

these are not my dreams
i saw death from above two days in a row actually they were insane
IFeelLikeDirt

anyway i just did this all in one sitting (i actually slept last night) and i also finally called to make an appointment I've been putting off for three months now praise me and call me a good girl I DON'T CARE I DON'T CARE I DON'T CAREEE

https://vocaroo.com/15CO7jEZW1NX

>>127645944
lel, just genuinely wanting to share it

>>127650865
Good girl(dog)