Thread 127651161

Adolf Busch Edition

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggTRSyEbXU8&list=OLAK5uy_lSU8IZMWjjf96COJ1cyFI1n6Qv0646x8g&index=3

This thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.

>How do I get into classical?
This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:
https://rentry.org/classicalgen

Previous: >>127615937

Reminder Bach and after, before and not including Ives.

>– I think it was András Schiff who said that Bach belongs to everybody – not just the harpsichordists!

>– Yes, and another thing Schiff says is that the main reason he plays the 48 on a modern piano is the F minor prelude from the second book, because it’s almost impossible to do that kind of appoggiatura on a harpsichord.

harpsichord-anons btfo'd

https://www.pianostreet.com/blog/piano-news/piano-music-to-cleanse-the-soul-pietro-de-maria-on-bach’s-48-8220

also
>– You seem to take great interest in Bach’s use of number symbolism.

>– Yes, I find it fascinating to note how Bach uses numbers to put his signature to things and tell us of his intentions. The theme of the first fugue, for example, is made of 14 notes, Bach’s own number (B=2 + A=1 + C=3 + H=8). And then this theme is played 24 times, once for each major and minor key.
>Another interesting fugue in terms of number symbolism is the C-sharp minor fugue in Book I. For me, this is a choral fugue. In the WTC, there are only two fugues with 5 voices, which is what you find in the big sacred works. This already gives you an idea of the spiritual significance of this piece. And for the first theme, he uses the four-note “cross motif”, with its obvious reference to Christ. All in all, he uses three themes in this magnificent fugue, which I think should be interpreted as a symbol of the divine Trinity.

love it

Schubert

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YbCgc218c0

Beethoven

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnagDaX_vj4&list=OLAK5uy_mK6sfYCN8eXOaLeEwQjayua_IVsOOzmjA&index=3

>>127651161 (OP)
> How do I get into classical?
>This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:
>https://rentry.org/classicalgen
Nobody clicks on your link, boomer

Schubert is ridiculously overrated as a composer of sonatas, symphonies and chamber music.

>>127651424
great performance

>>127651564
>sonatas,
His piano sonatas are indeed that good, but I can understand disagreement.
>symphonies
Agreed.
>and chamber music.
Nah, on this one you're just wrong.

>>127651556
That’s not the point. He is a creature of habit; he is set in his ways.

>>127651556
I literally just did, actually

>>127651722
You are OP, thoughbeit

>>127651161 (OP)
>>127651722
Hmmm

>>127651754
Guess you're wrong

Haydn

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWhvFR2U65s&list=OLAK5uy_mgbxXwEz9a0RYjCG1KG-gLRRNYUULbJPM&index=19

>>127651770
>Posts from phone
You are pathetic.

>>127651796
I am a PC poster, begone dipshit

>>127651811
If you are not OP, why are you fighting his battles? Are you two gay lovers?
You aren’t fooling anyone, goober.

Bach
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=xR7jELI6CHE

>>127651826
>>127651796
>>127651754
stop being a schizo, jeez

>>127651826
Because I understand that effortposting stops this board from being closed, so I support it.

>>127652310
You still haven’t explained why you rushed to OP’s defense…

>>127652317
How does posting the same link in every thread constitute effort posting, goober?

>>127651770
We got an uber haxor on our hands. KOEK

>>127652358
Because it's a large list of assembled materials of music theory, music recommendations and help in getting into stuff other than romanticism. I am interested in getting further into classical music. The initial post I replied to was saying that nobody uses the link, and because I came into this thread and l literally used the link seconds before reading that post, I responded to it. I don't understand why you're being such a huffy little bitch, but I don't see what the point of you posting in this thread actually is, other than to pretend to be a dipshit, or maybe you're not pretending.

>>127652399
A unlikely story!
You aren’t fooling anyone, goober.

>>127652317
>>127652399
holy based

Long time no see you, anons

>>127652529
The exclusively early music fan returns

>>127652587
Posts about classical music are always encouraged.

>>127652569
Trying to find a good (musical) match to my pulp fiction reading list. Maybe some pagan (gasp) or secular early music would be fine.

>>127652633
You are the petty tyrant of /classical/

>>127652668
For background reading music, maybe the piano music of Couperin, Haydn, or Mozart. Or the string quartets of Haydn or Mozart.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pptuu4WzjoI

or since you might prefer harpsichord
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-K0yYa9KsmI

>>127652685
I believe in stemming negativity.

>>127652698
Most narcissists do.

>>127652689
>string quartets of Haydn
These could work, ty

>>127652707
Well, so long as I'm on the side of the angels, creativity, and good faith posters

>>127652712
>Defends a guy posting the same link every thread
>creativity
You are deranged.

>>127652717
...the link that's supposed to go in the OP every thread meant to aid newcomers? Yes, I'm happy to.

>>127652717
>>127652726
Also I didn't do that -- I did, however, praise the anon who *did* do that.

>>127652726
>Supposed to
Let’s focus on this. “Supposed to” according to whom? Why does it have to be that link? Why do we need to read your link before appreciating classical music? I don’t think you have given this much thought.

>>127652759
It was there when I started posting here, and who am I to try and change a tradition? Anyway, I'm done talking about this, gonna lay down and listen to some music. Have a good one!

>>127652770
Oh, it’s like the talmud, G*d must have put it there…

>>127651556
The link is not for regulars. If the general has only regulars, well... what do you expect?

>>127652910
>You must listen to my list of classical music
No.

You are a pedantic control freak.

>>127653019
Give me a rec, anon (classical music obv). A single one. I will listen to it without further remarks.

>Welcome to the /classical/ sticky, here you'll find resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music.

You don’t need to take a course or read textbook to enjoy listening to classical music.

>>127653078
Warning: insufficient funds deposited

E string on violin breaks when retuning pegs. extra E string breaks. order some off amazon, amazon loses the package. new order won't get here until wednesday.
i just want to play my violin

Man, Ashkenazy's Beethoven piano sonatas cycle would be so much better if he had picked a better sounding piano to play for it. It's still good, but not what it could and should have been. Bummer.

https://youtu.be/g5IPnjiJrKI?si=Y4prMvSW6_w_G5Q8&t=3851

Hollow Knight Silksong is a beauty of a game. An absolute work of art. Christopher Larkin has cited Wagner as his main influence, and it is very evident in the craft. Remember children, everything good and great which exists in this world came from Wagner.

Did you guys know Wagner created this world?

now playing

start of Dvorak: Piano Concerto in G Minor, Op. 33, B. 63
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPUnk1xc_Wo&list=OLAK5uy_kztIz2B0hFfDm8pWHVgii3AfIh0ae7VIM&index=2

Dvorak: The Golden Spinning Wheel, Op. 109, B. 197
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wB7UFrmueAg&list=OLAK5uy_kztIz2B0hFfDm8pWHVgii3AfIh0ae7VIM&index=4

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kztIz2B0hFfDm8pWHVgii3AfIh0ae7VIM

a commonly cited reference recording for this piano concerto

Bach
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=pGmFOcCjI58

>>127653100
you also need to understand Schenkerian and Hindemithian analysis.

>>127653248
Wagner's music is better than this world.

>>127651556
don't click on the link! It's full of viruses! OP is a fucking faggot who should kill himself.

now playing

Rachmaninoff: Trio Elégiaque No. 1 in G Minor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-yKRZDgX4U&list=OLAK5uy_nTvwtapU7MzO2JuDbpWmTAgj591f6ZRYc&index=2

start of Rachmaninoff: Trio élégiaque No. 2 in D minor, Op. 9 for Piano, Violin and Cello
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DdaYUZh2Rk&list=OLAK5uy_nTvwtapU7MzO2JuDbpWmTAgj591f6ZRYc&index=3

Rachmaninoff: Vocalise, Op. 34, No. 14 (Arr. Piano & Violin)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVKNMSVsbRM&list=OLAK5uy_nTvwtapU7MzO2JuDbpWmTAgj591f6ZRYc&index=6

Rachmaninoff: Son, Op. 38, No. 5 (Arr. Piano & Cello)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FoXrzyrn4Y&list=OLAK5uy_nTvwtapU7MzO2JuDbpWmTAgj591f6ZRYc&index=6

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nTvwtapU7MzO2JuDbpWmTAgj591f6ZRYc

when's the last time you listened to Tchaikovsky's 6th, anon?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZWPG_JCybc

>>127655010
Couple months ago, by North Korean orchestra

>>127655010
I don't listen to music composed by faggots.

>>127655025
Damn, so you never hum your own melodies then? That's a damn shame.

https://youtu.be/p2BxV8BdVus?si=6y8QH11SPJcNWKYT

Is Hilary Hahn really that good?

>>127655276
kill yourself.

>>127655276
figures :O asians would like Hahn

I almost screencapped that thumbnail myself and posted it here the other day

>>127655310
What the hell?
>>127655316
>figures :O asians would like Hahn
What is that supposed to mean?

>practice piano every day for years
>rarely listen to any music anymore

anyone else?

Grosse Fuge is my favorite thing Beethoven ever wrote. Perhaps that anyone ever wrote.

>>127655414
I stopped practicing and listening to music for 10 years, I deeply regret it. Now I'll have to learn everything all over again from scratch.

>>127655425
have you watched The Mechanic (1972)?

>>127655494
Nope. Why?

>>127655510
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eevsNQI6reE&t=1257

>>127655573
>content not available in your country
Mutt-exclusive huh
>turn on VPN
>same message

>>127656247
sorry. I'll find a better link.

>>127656274
https://m.ok.ru/video/2365444852376

starts at 20:57

Thoughts on Rimsky-Korsakov and Vaughan William? Twoset put them in D tier on their composers tier list, but I think both Scheherazade and The Lark Ascending are S tier compositions, anyone agree?

>>127656514
who the fuck is "twoset"? sounds like a pair of retarded gay gooks.

>>127656552
close, they're actually choynese (as they say in aussieland)

>>127656552
>is into classical music
>doesnt know twoset
uuh.. have you been living under a rock?

>>127656630
I wish. twoset posters should be permabanned.

>>127656437
Took you 20min? Damn, thanks. Lol.
Literally me, I'll watch that.
>>127657649
So much this. I was watching Richter: Enigma just 2 days ago but it was too late I fell asleep

>Today I will remind them

BAB
A
B

>DAILY REMINDER
>DAILY REMINDER

IAA
A
A

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NO MOZART
NO CHOPIN
NO MAHLER
ALL ROMANTICS SCRAM!

ALL CLASSICISTS EAT SHIT AND DIE
THIS THREAD IS FOR MARIN MARAIS!

SONATA FORM SHOULD DIE
ONLY CONCERTO GROSSO FOR I!

HAYDN IS LIKE A ROTTEN WHEAT
WHAT I NEED IS A BACH CELLO SUITE


BACH AND BEFORE, IVES AND AFTER

>when they listen to Mozart and Haydn concertos and completely neglect the Sun Kings court
>When they listen to vocal works by Verdi, Rossini or Puccini, but not Palestrina or the Franco-Flemish School
>When they don't listen to Marin Marais more frequently than Beethoven or Brahms
>No Perotin or Medieval Music

>>127657649
he's ok
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYePt5TpGXU&list=OLAK5uy_nUhiQWEvj9CKf8ZXxLcjyS9jPaIzGQklY&index=6

>Bach
>Machaut
>Ives
>Marais
>Buxtehude
>Stravinsky
>Reich
>Bartok

No Mozart, No Brahms, No Haydn, No Mahler
No Autistic Teutonic spirit shall oppress or taint the Gallic, Latin, and Slavic soul

>>127651245
>Reminder Bach and Before, Ives and After
Well said my friend, well said.

>Listening to Bach
>not listening to Mozart
>Listening to Marais
>Not listening to Haydn
>Listening to Ravel
>not listening to Mahler
>listening to Stravinsky
>not listening to Schoenberg or Shostakovich

Is there a better feeling in this world?

>Your Romanticism
>My Foot
>Your Classicism
>My Fist

I will crush the Mozart enjoyers, and liberate the Chopin listeners with Vivaldi, Josquin, and Perotin

Mozart gives me the ick,

As does Brahms, Mahler, Handel, early-middle Beethoven, Bruckner, Chopin, Schumann, Strauss II, Hindemith, Schoenberg, Reger, Berg, Tchaikovsky, Boulez, Stockhausen, Haydn, Bruch, Salieri, Shostakovich, Clementi, and Prokofiev

That is all

Why does German music besides Wagner, some Beethoven and Bach lack any sense of passion and sensuous feeling to it? Every time I listen to music like Brahms, Bruckner, Mahler Schumann, or Haydn I get the ick. The Surprise symphony, Schumann's simp songs or Brahms incel chamber music, they all sound like they've been written by men who never touched a woman or had them desire them. Compare this to Bach, Marais, Franck, or Faure, all of whose music has an understated sexual feeling to it, a restraint of it, or a memory of an encounter. I don't get this with the Germans at all, it seems like the lack of sexual encounters have made their music so irresolute, isolating, and will ostracize anyone who likes to have sex. The French and Italians don't have this issue for obvious reasons.

Why do G*rmans make such icky music /classical/?

>If it ain't BAROQUE, don't fix it
>I dumped her because she BAROQUED my heart
>I had to go to the doctor because I BAROQUED my leg in a gondola accident
>I would go to the concerto with you, but I'm BAROQUE
>The Baroque BAROQUED the renaissance mold

>average BABIAA listener

We will disarm and subdue every 18th-19th century heretic that would put on a Mozart Piano concerto or Chopin Nocturne

We are the Mockers of Mozart
We put a chokehold on classicism

We are the Cuckolders of Chopin
We are the Rapists of Romantics

We are the murderers of Mahler
We strike fear in ever pretentious and Neurotic writer of 1 hour symphonies

now playing

start of Schumann: Symphony No. 3 in E-Flat Major, Op. 97 "Rhenish"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GpgernJ1TE&list=OLAK5uy_km0hc6V3ZO5iwri8lb_CNhRCzdRxG6o7Y&index=2

start of Schumann: Symphony No. 4 in D Minor, Op. 120
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRFRlHZvAeU&list=OLAK5uy_km0hc6V3ZO5iwri8lb_CNhRCzdRxG6o7Y&index=6

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_km0hc6V3ZO5iwri8lb_CNhRCzdRxG6o7Y

reading a review for a Beethoven piano sonatas cycle by a pianist I'm unfamiliar with (HJ Kim), and I found their division and ordering of the pieces really interesting, take a look

My feelings on this kinda go back and forth -- I get why people don't want to just do chronological, they want to mix it up, add their own personal spin, and indeed, ordering and context can change and add new meanings and reveal fresh insights, all of which increase enjoyment, but sometimes I do get annoyed when trying to find the sonata I want on the playlist lol, and sometimes it backfires when I'm more in the mood for the breezy casual fun of the early and middle piano sonatas and instead one of the weightier one comes on, ruining the mood and forcing me to change it

That said, still really cool, and opening with the Hammerklavier is a bold mood. It was almost enough to get me to listen to the cycle but the tempos seem too brisk for my tastes, so I'm gonna pass, but here's a sampling in case anyone is interested

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0IP4DIltt8&list=OLAK5uy_n4A0CR8JxZd5-sdnW8p1fCLTGiGQpLq2M&index=48

I've had that playing while typing this post and sheesh, yeah, that's way too fuckin' fast for me lol, what a speed demon

>>127655010
Going to see it live October 10th! It's gonna be awesome!

lmao this album cover. won't see this anymore

>>127659547
Very cool, I'm jealous. Enjoy!

>>127655276
Hilary Hahn Handie.

>>127655401
>What is that supposed to mean?
That of course bugmen would enjoy her robotic, objective playing with focus on precision above all else. Correction: precision with nothing else. And then this objective precision gets mistaken for, because they genuinely prefer it, tasteful expression, when really it's the equivalent of detecting faint brainwave activity in a coma patient and declaring it promising if miraculous mental stimulation.

Banter aside, nothing wrong with liking Hahn, just keep the sound of her performances in your own home.

>>127658761
>Schumann: Symphony No. 3 in E-Flat Major, Op. 97 "Rhenish"
My beloved. Unsurpassed. GOAT.

I cannot stop listening to The Bible. By which I mean the Old Testament and New Testament. By which of course I mean Bach's Well-Tempered Clavier and Beethoven's Piano Sonatas. I am positively obsessed. I am obsessively in love. I am lovingly ensorcelled. I am under the spell of two of the greatest minds in all of human history. Much like Shakespeare's plays, these two piano cycles span the gamut of the human condition. The mind and body, heart and soul, heavens and earth, divine and personal, comic and tragic, ebullient and pensive.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3uHmsE2TUo&list=OLAK5uy_kKPF7Rjd-6tDB-oExD5H6VfVZckHq_95E&index=71

All the above, except Chopin and Beethoven.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCX_LqME7tc

>>127659852
I uh disagree. Sure, an early romantic piece? Probably not for her, but some pieces were written to be performed at 300bps. Composers, when they originally wrote them, didn't knew these kind of tempos are possible (or rather sustainable). Hilary provides an essential service and we all should thank her for it. Would I want to hear her interpretations every day? No. But sometimes I want to know how does technically perfect x1.25-x1.5 sounds like and there's a short list of people delivering on that and Hilary's name on top of it. Plus she's beating asians at their own game. Surely that counts for something?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4wSifmQT_E

>>127660102
Chopin does plunge and articulate the depths of man beyond that of any other composer, but I wouldn't describe any of his music as divine. Which is fine, again, he is the master of the heart, of human emotion and all of its vicissitudes and shades and tones. Anyone who comes to Chopin's music without knowing love or passion or happiness or tragedy or excitement or any other facet of the timbre of human sentiment leaves an well-molded expert. But he lacks divinity and transcendence, and for that I give the edge, even if slightly, to Liszt.

speaking of Chopin, now playing

start of Chopin: 12 Études, Op. 10
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nP9C7-2baw&list=OLAK5uy_mHp3eFLqaI6R7-K5ro9L0e34RoJUERTBc&index=2

start of Chopin: 12 Études, Op. 25
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwQLLzlij1U&list=OLAK5uy_mHp3eFLqaI6R7-K5ro9L0e34RoJUERTBc&index=14

start of Chopin: 24 Preludes, Op. 28
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsuNgi_roSs&list=OLAK5uy_mHp3eFLqaI6R7-K5ro9L0e34RoJUERTBc&index=26

start of Chopin: Polonaises
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdhpbngcSkE&list=OLAK5uy_mHp3eFLqaI6R7-K5ro9L0e34RoJUERTBc&index=50

Chopin: Polonaise-Fantaisie in A-Flat Major, Op. 61
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crln-_F7xJs&list=OLAK5uy_mHp3eFLqaI6R7-K5ro9L0e34RoJUERTBc&index=55

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mHp3eFLqaI6R7-K5ro9L0e34RoJUERTBc

>>127660224
Yes, but if I want something spiritual, I'll go with Bruckner first and foremost, or maybe Scriabin. 7th is the most transcendental piece of music I've experienced so far:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqaQEsF55rg&list=OLAK5uy_l1y2Kl2kImDWiAoACBe95ubnSsj0tuiOE&index=1

damnit, whenever I see Bruckner posted, now I have to listen to Bruckner

>>127660277
Bollini :DDD

Beethoven or Bach? One word answer please.

>>127662048
Beethoven :D

Jozdgovidj :DD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87mQGWv-ybk

>>127651245
>>127658378
>>127658448
>>127658463
The same lines everyday…
You are boring.
You only find this behavior amusing because you are taking drugs.

>>127662463
no, it's because they're autistic

>>127662481
Autistic people don’t have a sense of humor; it’s drugs.

>>127662481
You are him, right? Who else has a vested interest in denying drugs are involved?

ah yes, basso ostinato, or as I like to call it: bratty bottom

Bach

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqawV4sB9Qk&list=OLAK5uy_lKkYV7N46E6s9w9HryzCx6BKErnF9XTGY&index=27

Oh the last summer' nights, the fall is approaching, and the music is nice.

>>127661771
:p

>>127664307
>the last summer nights, the fall is approaching
Only in the northern hemisphere, flattard

>>127665152
shut up, ausnigger. nobody cares about your stupid fucking country. If Australia disappeared tomorrow no one would even notice.

>>127665165
I am a citizen of the world. You know nothing about it, flattard.

Chopin

Prélude No. 24
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lsM3gnZ3s8
Prélude No. 25
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2P5TtUzdGc
Nocturne No. 7
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsVeFCEUJHk
Nocturne No. 13
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vceIxaxue70
Nocturne No. 16
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kz-bmcsebCo
Nocturne No. 19
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7C6Iqrcc-g
Waltz No. 3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pv-QQ0ZHHK0
Étude No. 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8R-FZhLzJk
Étude No. 12
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdZBofmR3zw
Étude No. 23
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANauN752Jvc
Étude No. 24
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSwZyTkmtwA
Nouvelle étude No. 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pkz5xeyFj2U
Romanza from Piano Concerto No. 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvjyMzdVjfo

>>127665382
Chopin saved humanity.

>>127665165
t.Ellis Islander met grootheidswaanzin
KOEK!

BABIAA spammende idioot

yknow, I was wrong, Beethoven's Piano Sonata No. 16 is fantastic. maybe he really does have 32 piano sonata masterpieces

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01_b5Iduo38

Schumann Seinfeld reference aside, is it Shoo-mon or Shoo-min?

I've been obsessed with this heavenly polyrhythmic passage from the 4th ballade for some time, return of the 2nd theme:
https://youtu.be/QCX_LqME7tc?feature=shared&t=563

I had the same obsession before, but Moravec has really unique way of articulating that passage (bar 175, starts a few seconds after the timestampt in link, 09:37) triplets on duplets, and it's driving me crazy. Now I also remember this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woP71V7TMJg

So I need to ask, is there anything else that sounds like it? Late Scriabin definitely has complex rhythms but it's not tonal, and doesn't have the same emotional effect, even though I love late Scriabin. Rachmaninoff's Etudes can also have similar polyrhythms:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaFiU77kr7s

But I need more. I want that passage played over and over, like a polyrhythmic etude or something, or just even a short passage. Or is Chopin simply unsurpassed?

>>127667577
the final four or five beethoven piano sonatas?

>>127667577
>triplets on duplets,
Oh and that's not all, the melody itself has a distinct rhythm, it's nested into triplets but plays on every 4th note in the right hand.

>>127667588
I know them well, which passage are you referring to? I forgot to mention this >>127667607

>>127667577
Brahms and Reger have used that technique.

>>127667577
https://youtu.be/0jZj6Ra2yEk&t=265
kinda

>>127667577
Define tonality in a way that the man on the street can understand.

>>127667640
My timestamp is at the beginning of the phrase and there is no polyrhythm there or in the Liszt piece. It's at 09:38. But thanks anyway, gotta listen to more Liszt.
>>127667691
>in a way that the man on the street can understand.
Harmonious.
>b-b-b-but-
That's how a man on the street will understand, trust me. Scriabin is just noise to them.

>>127667701
I will let you think about it a bit longer.

>>127667691
it can't be done.

>>127667712
I don't think I'll bother. Tonality is a spectrum, as is just about everything, especially in music. Simple as.

>>127667691
my ally is tonality, and a powerful ally it is. interval roots and vectors create it, makes it grow. Its energy surrounds us and binds us. Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter.

>>127667691
It's one of those you know it when you see it. Like 'lyrical'.

>>127667837
Correct.

I'm excited to see my first ever concert. They're playing Strauss and Prokofiev. Anything I should know ahead of time? Some unwritten rules, etiquette? I already know you sit quietly and I have no problem with that. And I'll only clap when others start clapping.

>>127668211
Cough repeatedly during the climax to annoy as much people as possible. Preferably to get kicked out of the hall. And boo at every occassion

>>127668211
What are you wearing?

>>127668250
Skirt

>>127668211
don't pay a cent for it. I've worked with musicians and I fucking hate them.

>>127668282
kek wtf

Your honest opinion on the 18th century lied?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxYBlixs6Ic

has anyone tried this set?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pvlb5KayIdQ&list=OLAK5uy_nRYXy00Icyj2cZFEHrtJvIirZMY3lTvEk&index=1

>I am giving Pletnev's efforts five stars because the only alternative is to throw up my hands. There are times when the whole enterprise seems like an elaborate prank--witness the three different tempos that Pletnev applies to the first four bars of the Pastorale before deciding to race off at lightning speed, only to slam on the brakes thrity bars later.

sounds fun

Ekaterina Derzhavina's Bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qf7EHrDWROY&list=OLAK5uy_lKQpWUX4GGc-L4sVBN25FrQo22gXB-KS0&index=28

>>127668211
1. cough like you have stage 4 lung cancer at every opportunity
2. clap between movements
3. don't put your phone on silent and leave your ringtone on for everyone to hear
4. bring your baby with you to the concert instead of finding a baby sitter so your baby could cry during the concert instead
ive had all four happen in the same concert I attended last week and I deeply appreciate sharing a concert hall with apes. it's not like I would like to enjoy an evening of classical music with the leading orchestra of the country I live in

>>127668237
> Cough repeatedly during the climax

No, cough during quiet parts.

Also, as a side note I really love Mahler, Stravinsky, and Shostakovitch because most of their stuff is loud enough so fellow concertgoers cannot disturb me even if they tried.

>>127665382
Here's Chopin Nocturne in c sharp minor for violin and piano. Have never heard this arranged for violin and piano but I like it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7k2pmKUXxI

now playing

start of Brahms: Symphony No. 1 in C Minor, Op. 68
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLaFo-dd2mk&list=OLAK5uy_nr9OQhCkGpkH9naVVmp7P3jkCr0RW8nDI&index=1

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nr9OQhCkGpkH9naVVmp7P3jkCr0RW8nDI

>>127669629
Jesus Christ that's an indulgently spacious tempo, wtf

>>127662463
>>127662481
>>127662515
>>127662571
>not embracing BABIAA supremacy
NGMI

Yuja wang

>>127668437
he makes Mengelberg sound like Toscanini, it's a pretty nutty set

>>127671238
Yeah, that 6th blew my mind already.

>>127671253
there's something to be said for the freedom of approach and the ballsiness of the endeavor but i also feel like the approach to tempo rubato is simply too extreme

when Mengelberg and Furtwangler messed around with tempo it was usually done in a way that i would describe as overall cogent, but Pletnev's comes across as attention grabbing, sometimes in a way that's exciting and unique and other ways that just feels like the only goal is to make you go "huh???"

now playing

start of JS Bach: Keyboard Partita No. 2 in C Minor, BWV 826
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mU2AgJ9GxKg&list=OLAK5uy_npmB6XK4Mu6tnnRp4C2PHTcEmFWUaoqDM&index=2

JS Bach: Toccata in C Minor, BWV 911
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2TTqdX0B-w&list=OLAK5uy_npmB6XK4Mu6tnnRp4C2PHTcEmFWUaoqDM&index=8

start of JS Bach: Keyboard Partita No. 6 in E Minor, BWV 830
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIZCRAqCpWg&list=OLAK5uy_npmB6XK4Mu6tnnRp4C2PHTcEmFWUaoqDM&index=8

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_npmB6XK4Mu6tnnRp4C2PHTcEmFWUaoqDM

warning: unabashedly pianistic, romantic Bach

>>127671363
Also, this pic is making me wanna grow my hair out like that again, damn. yeah yeah, not sure what this has to do, >>>/fa/

Brahms

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylrZJ_2Ifqk&list=OLAK5uy_mAy8VkpryHVWzTYEtJ2YyKIHMv7hyZpYE&index=15

>>127667691
Do you know how some music just sounds so ‘right’ when you listen to it? That is to say, the music seems like it is not missing anything and is tending in the right direction.
Tonality is the property of a piece of music that gives it that sense of direction and completeness.

is there any live recording of wieniawski violin 1 that doesn't have the finale of the 3rd movement completely butchered like https://youtu.be/Bt-QwrR-Pjw?t=27m31s

>>127669332
coughing lives matter

19th century villian general

>>127674477
I wanted to try a different seat from my usual season ticket and sat in front of this woman that was about to cough up her lungs.
she coughed super loud, unzipped her purse, took out a puffer then coughed loudly again. felt her cough on the back of my neck. she did this two more times never wanted to curbstomp someone so bad

brahms

>>127669332
>leading orchestra of the country I live in
Thought this was going to be a community symphony with a bunch of weekend warriors (or maybe your country’s best is pretty much just that)

Schubumpert

>>127674536
the dastardly plot is in motion. infernal contraptions within infernal contraptions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JerkzA43OI

>>127651161 (OP)
Brahms is overrated.
Schumann is okay-ish, hit and miss.

Any Glenn Gould fans here?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4yAB37wG5s

>>127674469
live ones i don't know
https://youtu.be/rolJFaic0WA?list=RDrolJFaic0WA&t=1307

>>127655425
I'm more of Cavatina kind of guy

>>127679813
Not all movements are created equal. That movement is not even in the same dimension.

>>127679813
Not all movements are created equal. That movement is not even in the same dimension as Grosse Fuge.

Best recording(s) of Mozart's Violin Sonatas?

>>127680616
Lupu/Goldberg is the reference

>>127680633
thank yew

>>127680645
Perlman/Barenboim is the actual reference

>>127680616
szeryng

>>127680853
more like the jewfence

>>127681088
you really made this post

Trevor Pinnock or Scott Ross for WTC?

>>127681506
Richter.

>>127681821
kill yourself

>>127681830
No.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJ0dBlD8M3M

>>127681506
Ross, better sounding harpsichord

George Frederic Handel
https://youtu.be/5aXE8pUCP0k?si=FgWUIw_1uc3EQh-H

they had drums in medieval times so why doesn't classical music use drums?

>>127682813
>why doesn't classical music use drums?
But it literally fucking does

>>127682868
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YT_63UntRJE
nigga where

>>127682965
In the Jupiter symphony, moron.

>>127683074
>AIslop

>>127683091
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vfU4cmdx-s
this has similar naivety as AI slop, the drums are barely even used

>>127683074
>31, 34, 35, 36, 38, 39, 41
>All nine (1-9) Beethoven symphonies
>shitton of Haydn symphonies
>exception
Die.

>>127683106
>the drums are barely even used
Correction: drums are used tastefully and sparingly, as they should be, and you posting some random ass performance cements your tourist status which brings you back outta here >>>/mu/

>Symphony No. 41 by Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart (1756 - 1791) only posthumously received the emblematic epithet ‘Jupiter’. The name started to appear in concert programs in England more than 30 years after its composition and was considered so fitting that soon people spoke only of Mozart’s Jupiter Symphony. The combination of the supreme Roman god Jupiter with Mozart’s radiant and clear musical language is considered an excellent fit to this day.
kek this is tasteless like AI to call it jupiter when mozart didn't intend anything like that

>>127683460
>when mozart
No one cares what Mozart thought whatsoever. Or what any other composer in history thought. What we care about is their music, if it's any good.

>>127683529
you're deluded, you don't have the same care for music by any composer who's alive today no matter how good it is. like when the beatles were new, most people hated them except the younger generation. then the next generation after that didn't care for it, they didn't want to listen to the same music as their parents. now it's been retconned like the beatles are top-tier and anyone who dares to question their greatness is objectively wrong and has no music taste etc.

>>127682965
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPV9tfJNOvY
The best drummers were in the army.

>>127679297
I prefer Bach

>>127682813
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYELAu9hqdU
No cards.

>>127684635
he wasn't wrong.

>>127651556
lmao I just clicked and then I saw this post
appreciate those kinds of links to not have to ask give me the pleb's overview on [subject]

Why is it so hard to find biographical information about shosty? Every book i look into has at least 1 extremely scathing review that recommends a different book which in turn has another person doing the same. Also I think he was bisexual. I think he sucked cock. I know it by the look in his pretty little eyes.

>>127684635
based

>>127684933
it takes one to know one.

>>127684635
Based opinion. Too bad he died of aids a few years after Gould.

Wow this general is dead. Last year threads reached the limit in two days max. Such is life I guess.

>>127687664
fuck off.

>>127687674
Nah.

>>127684933
>>127687317
flaming faggots

>>127683529
>No one cares what Mozart thought whatsoever. Or what any other composer in history thought. What we care about is their music, if it's any good.
suuure

For me, it's Beethoven's Piano Sonata No. 19
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09JwjekOMGs&list=OLAK5uy_kEggyWYCrxEopdQsj_AwdkN28O7Ss2T-o&index=65

>>127687664
There's always been slow days/periods. Friday-Monday here seems to be slow.

>>127684635
what reasoning is there even for such harsh criticism against glenn gould? romantislop soft piano players turn everything into sounding like the same kind of faggy pretentious bullshit.

>>127683460
Huh, didn't know that. Now to see if I wanna be that insufferable nerd who, when hearing someone call it Jupiter in a social setting, will correct them, "actually, Mozart never called it that."

>>127687813
Gould is the consequence of romantic freedom of interpretation. Thank Romanticism for its contributions one day.

>>127687891
>Thank Romanticism for its contributions one day.
I read an excerpt of Wordsworth's The Prelude every night for just this purpose; thank you, Romanticism!

And through the meadows homeward went, in grave
And serious mood; but after I had seen
That spectacle, for many days, my brain
Worked with a dim and undetermined sense
Of unknown modes of being; o'er my thoughts
There hung a darkness, call it solitude
Or blank desertion. No familiar shapes
Remained, no pleasant images of trees,
Of sea or sky, no colours of green fields;
But huge and mighty forms, that do not live
Like living men, moved slowly through the mind
By day, and were a trouble to my dreams.

>>127687914
This is after he got scared by a mountain while paddling in a boat, right?

>>127687930
lol yeah

...a huge peak, black and huge,
As if with voluntary power instinct,
Upreared its head.

hey wait a minute

a random person like michael jackson was able to acquire the beatles catalog because other people didn't see the value in it at the time. it was only due to marketing that they became truly "legendary" but their historical significance will diminish over time just like buddy holly, elvis presley, eric clapton, aerosmith etc. also their production -not their songwriting- helped their music stand the test of time. an uneducated person might think that they were struggling to get anything recorded at all using shitty boomer technology, but their equipment is still considered top tier today in the music production business, the digital software emulations can't properly recreate the analog sound.

for instance chandler TG2 is directly based on the EMI TG12428 used at abbey road studios.
>I would argue that the Chandler TG2 preamp is behind the most Billboard #1s in history. Especially in pop music.
>Here are some producers that almost exclusively use TG2 on their records:
* Max Martin and his crew (ILYA, Rami, Shellback, Oscar Holter, Oscar Gorres, Ali Payami)
* Jack Antonoff
* Cirkut
* Benny Blanco and his crew
* Greg Kurstin
* Blake Slatkin
* Dan Nigro
* Charlie Puth
* Mike Dean

>Dr. Luke, Max Martin, Maroon 5, Bruno Mars...engineers use whatever mic into a Chandler Limited TG2 and followed by an 1176.

>FWIW, the TG2 as " the POP vocal preamp" chain was discovered by Engineer Matt Beckley, who was Dr. Luke's engineer at the time during those Katy Perry records. Dr. Luke was looking for a tone and nothing was getting it done, until Matt grabbed the TG2 and boom, Dr. Luke got the tone he was looking for. And that Chandler Limited TG2 preamp, followed by the 1176 chain for vocals, became a thing. All the aforementioned camps know each other and the TG2/1176 chain made its way onto the other productions.

>>127687947
not sure what this has to do with /classical/ maybe try >>>/mu/ instead?

>>127687964
/mu/ faggots defend the beatles and even pink floyd, even in /classical/. there's similar pretentiousness with how people dickride "the great" classical composers while ignoring pretty much any contemporary music.

>>127687891
the way he plays is more consistent with the sound of a fortepiano
>Fortepianos also tend to have quite different tone quality in their different registers – slightly buzzing in the bass, "tinkling" in the high treble, and more rounded (closest to the modern piano) in the mid range.[3] In comparison, modern pianos are rather more uniform in tone through their range.

>>127687975
Hey, feel free to post Per Nørgård or whomever if you want, no one is stopping you.

And classical is different. There's a long enough timescale and the standards are more rigorous with a more restrictive culture, that the cream really has risen to the top.

And lastly, when even the posters here who are actively in music school say that contemporary classical is shit, when even those dedicating their lives to the field aren't even bothering to defend it, well, I'm inclined to take their word for it.

I wish there were transcriptions of orchestral sections that are squeezed on a single staff. I just wanna be able to see the voicings at a glance and which notes are octave doubled and what not instead of having to read an entire page top to bottom and combine everything in my mind...

>>127688878
Two piano transcriptions are the closest thing to that. But you got 2 grand staves still.

I love Bach

>>127689812
Bach stinks

>>127689812
Bach makes me aah.

>>127689860
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FLbiDrn8IE
UNIRONICALLY wtf is this goofy shit
bunch of larping white supremacists subsidized by government gibs or someshit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8siki1iGkU0
this shits all over bach

holy based

>Critics have praised Grimaud's willingness to reinterpret works and take chances, and compared her to Glenn Gould:

>Grimaud doesn't sound like most pianists: she is a rubato artist, a reinventor of phrasings, a taker of chances. "A wrong note that is played out of élan, you hear it differently than one that is played out of fear," she says. She admires the "more extreme players . . . people who wouldn't be afraid to play their conception to the end." Her two overriding characteristics are independence and drive, and her performances attempt, whenever possible, to shake up conventional pianistic wisdom. Brian Levine, the executive director of the Glenn Gould Foundation, sees in Grimaud a resemblance to Gould: "She has this willingness to take a piece of music apart and free herself from the general body of practice that has grown up around it."[8]

would someone kindly recommend me a good performance of The Well-Tempered Clavier? relatively modern with good audio, if you wouldn't mind, ie no scratchy old 1940s or 50s recordings

>>127690250
fucking dogpiss, I forgot the important part - I want to hear it on piano rather than harpsichord, which Ive already heard

Why do the greatest composers' names always start with Schu?
>Schubert
>Schumann
???

best Headphones for classical music?

>>127690456
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNjfYxyz35s

>>127690456
>>127690479
not sure what this has to do with /classical/, maybe try >>>/g/ instead?

>>127690492
what do you mean? i'm asking for headphones FOR Classical Music, /g/ doesn't know shit about classical.

>>127690492
/g/ is retarded

>>127690503
>>127690506
not sure what this has to do with /classical/, maybe try >>>/g/ instead?

>>127690512
cope
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkEseNXzBLw

>>127690512
i just explained what it has to do with classical music

>>127690515
>>127690519
not sure what this has to do with /classical/, maybe try >>>/g/?

>>127667577
Early and middle period Scriabin.

>>127690456
>best Headphones
cost thousands. if your budget is up to, say, a few hundred, just get the best wired, non-noise cancelling Beyerdynamics you can afford and you wont go wrong. over that, dont buy anything online. go to a hifi shop and try stuff out.

>>127690579
>Beyerdynamics
>with those treble peaks
no thanks i'd rather keep my hearing

>>127690584
enjoy your beats by dre then, philistine

>>127690587
those aren't the only other options, i don't like bassy shit, but Beyers treble peaks will give you tinnitus, you would probably be better off with Sennheiser hd600s with some slight EQ to get rid of some of the muddiness.

>>127690456
HD600s are still the best. HD650s are too muddy, 660s are way too dark, HD600s are still the best headphone, especially with no EQ.

>>127690250
>>127690271
Koroliov
Feltsman
Craig Shepard

>>127690250
this is the one I've always had in my library
I'm not turbo-autismo about performers though, just sounds good to me

now playing

start of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 23 in F Minor, Op. 57 - "Appassionata"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-87b0V8Fgpw&list=OLAK5uy_kEggyWYCrxEopdQsj_AwdkN28O7Ss2T-o&index=75

start of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 24 in F Sharp Major, Op. 78 "For Therese"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JjnmxbVkSc&list=OLAK5uy_kEggyWYCrxEopdQsj_AwdkN28O7Ss2T-o&index=78

start of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 25 in G Major, Op. 79 "Cuckoo"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3I9R6qDxAI&list=OLAK5uy_kEggyWYCrxEopdQsj_AwdkN28O7Ss2T-o&index=80

start of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 26 in E-Flat Major, Op. 81a "Les adieux"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EV1WviIhrdY&list=OLAK5uy_kEggyWYCrxEopdQsj_AwdkN28O7Ss2T-o&index=82

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kEggyWYCrxEopdQsj_AwdkN28O7Ss2T-o

For starter, introductory sets of the entire piano sonata cycle, this Pollini one is, imo, second only to Kempff's for what I'd recommend, and maybe even first if the person prefers a modern recording. This is because Pollini's Beethoven interpretively occupies a safe and appealing middleground, and is of course perfect on all of the formal and technical aspects. Start with this or Kempff's set, then you go from there searching your ideal cycle once you have some familiarity with these works, and perhaps have an inkling of "maybe I'd like it performed a little more X".

In short, Pollini's always good for a consistent 7-8/10 performance no matter what he does, and I know some people consider his late piano sonatas the ideal 10/10.

>>127690250
I mostly listen to it on the organ but if you want piano, Gulda or Nikolayeva

>>127690250
For someone's first set, with a preference for modern (so let's rule out Richter's with the colorization of heavy reverb), I'd recommend Hewitt's, either her 1997 or 2008 set (I prefer the 1997 one myself).

1997
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAROp8vMIco&list=OLAK5uy_lKhQS1LR5MRfGddW5F3VCa1dLr6PxAjf0&index=16

2008
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yemp8Da6VxU&list=OLAK5uy_mV2fKy2RwJhFxR0AoPf50U7lmDs6T78ug&index=16

Hope you enjoy! For modern sets, I probably prefer Koroliov's and Ugorskaja's, and compared with Pietro De Maria's and Barenboim's it's a close call for me, but I think Hewitt's is the best modern piano set to start with (and maybe even end with if you love it enough). Still one of my favorites and one I return to often, especially if I just want something to listen to casually (Koroliov's and Ugorskaja's have more emotional weight, and Barenboim's is too affected and unidiomatic).

>>127691415
That cover is a little embarrassing.

>>127691858
She's just havin' a good time

feels like a Brahms 2 morning
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4g_E1YpofI&list=OLAK5uy_kzBVzWWttyd09NN9-YL1gRXKPQU1uNgbc&index=1

>Scarlatti, while serving as a court musician in Spain, had a serious gambling habit. This often left him in significant debt, despite his undoubtedly high income. His patron, Queen Maria Barbara of Spain, was a devoted student of his and had a deep admiration for his work, particularly his keyboard sonatas.
>To help him out of his financial troubles, the queen would reportedly pay off his gambling debts in exchange for written copies of the sonatas he had composed and performed for her. This arrangement, a "strange trade" as some historians call it, is believed to be the reason we have so many of Scarlatti's sonatas today, which otherwise might have been lost to time.

>>127691900
Never heard Solti conduct it, so I'll give it another try. But I expect my opinion that it's the most boring symphony of all time to be unchanged.

Funeral March
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkFsZ5QgebI

>>127651161 (OP)
woah is that a hecking gretsch?!

>>127687664
slow /classical/ is best /classical/

now playing

start of Beethoven: Violin Concerto in D Major, Op. 61
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omeNegOcMLE&list=OLAK5uy_ldYKiAYuGu07hDDoYf7HGcSFOo-CAdyLA&index=1

start of Sibelius: Violin Concerto in D Minor, Op. 47
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oby9ncgZ-Dc&list=OLAK5uy_ldYKiAYuGu07hDDoYf7HGcSFOo-CAdyLA&index=4

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_ldYKiAYuGu07hDDoYf7HGcSFOo-CAdyLA

>>127695480
guy on the left looks really really gay

>>127695536
oh I'll give you "gay guy on the left" alright
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hmsh3KiFOds&list=OLAK5uy_mSXL9GZuGrxmShfyKmbsG_YDp9jYgyZUs&index=17

127690250
This question must have been asked and answered hundreds of times already.

>>127684933
> Why is it so hard to find biographical information about shosty?

To start with his works are being played today in the West with a lot of emphasis on him being anti-commie. At the same time, he's still popular in Russia and presented as #1 Soviet composer. Both have historical arguments and direct Shosty quotations supporting their view. His works can be seen as glorifying commies or shitting on them depending on who you ask. That naturally creates a lot of confusion.

I would recommend Symphony for the City of the Dead: Dmitri Shostakovich and the Siege of Leningrad. Despite the name (and a focus on the seventh) it's basically a biography. Also try How Shostakovich Changed My Mind if you want an intro to some of his works.

>>127691415
>too affected
Like your writing style?

>>127695919
Explains why I like Barenboim!

>>127695944
Nobody cares what you like.

excluding you, naturally

Those who can’t do, write reviews.

>>127696027
We need both artists and analysts/critics/reviewers. Nothing wrong with being one of the latter.

>>127696085
Why?

>>127696099
Simply put, to increase understanding and deepen appreciation. Oh, and to organize and articulate one's aesthetic intuitions, feelings, and thoughts.

>>127696099
>>127696134
Oh, and obviously there's the matter of publicity and spreading awareness, but that's less applicable here on /classical/. However, if any contemporary composer does end up blowing up on here, you better believe reviewers, critics, and musicologists will have played a part.

>>127696027
much like the expression, "those who can't do, teach" -- okay but we still need teachers

>>127696134
Can this understanding and aesthetic intuition be measured in any way?

>>127696185
In the same way your increased attraction and feelings for someone after a date can be measured, I suppose.

>>127696155
> reviewers, critics, and musicologists
Are parasites who contribute nothing of importance.

>>127696210
If you truly had understanding, then you would be able to compose a great piece of music.

>>127696308
But I don't want to be a composer. I do, however, enjoy talking and reading about music.

>>127696359
Then quit pretending it is about achieving understanding; you will never develop the musical intuition of Bach or Mozart by reading reviews.

>>127696441
It's about achieving better understanding of the thing being reviewed... I'm not trying to be Bach or Mozart, I just like listening to their music and performances of it and like to discuss it.

>>127696461
What reviews are helping you understand is merely trivia about the performer, the recording quality, and, especially, based on the reviews you submit here, the personalities involved. You aren’t understanding anything deep.
Also, you are wasting my time.

>>127696537
You're forgetting about the performance. And those are only recording reviews, you're not including critical analyses of the works themselves, stuff that falls closer to music theory and the like. The point is, reading about art is worthwhile, and while I could be inclined to make a concession and admit most recording reviews which are limited to the performer and quirks of the performance at hand, there are many which do relate the interpretive decisions to the architecture of the work itself and how it either succeeds or fails to bring the music to life.

Maybe I'm biased because I come from a literary background and literature reviews and critical surveys and related in-depth analyses are, in fact, quite substantive, elucidating, and profitable to understanding, so the enjoyment carries over.

>Also, you are wasting my time.
You go do you and I'll do me :)

now playing

start of Beethoven: Symphony No. 3 in E-Flat Major, Op. 55 "Eroica"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNoFrfFZpQw&list=OLAK5uy_l55lBOM2SxuNQtyWgOVgVPc0WkVLdWVbw&index=10

start of Beethoven: Symphony No. 5 in C Minor, Op. 67
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G67gS34NUu8&list=OLAK5uy_l55lBOM2SxuNQtyWgOVgVPc0WkVLdWVbw&index=18

start of Beethoven: Symphony No. 6 in F Major, Op. 68 "Pastoral"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evN-9Y8B6GU&list=OLAK5uy_l55lBOM2SxuNQtyWgOVgVPc0WkVLdWVbw&index=21

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_l55lBOM2SxuNQtyWgOVgVPc0WkVLdWVbw

>>127696173
in the music scene it's youtube/patreon/discord grifters who do more harm than good. even berklee is considered a meme.

>>127696650
> Beauty is no quality in things themselves
> It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them, and each mind perceives a different beauty. One person may even perceive deformity where another is sensible of beauty, and every individual ought to acquiesce in his own sentiment without pretending to regulate those of others.
-Hume

>>127697346
That art may be to some extent or even entirely subjective does not mean there's no purpose or benefit to discussing art and whatever common grounds of aesthetic perception exist. Actually, this isn't /lit/, so let's just drop it and go back to classical music, okay? Thanks. Have a good one.

When are we upgrading from 440

>>127697421
Right, even Hume believed there were things such as good taste and good critics, which is if anything a defense of reading reviews and critical analysis, so he's an awful pick for them to quote.

>>127697436
Try reading it yourself instead of relying on “AI”.

>>127697436
What do you mean by good taste?

new
>>127697496
>>127697496
>>127697496

Last for Wagner

Some music writing is obviously good, but so much of it is garbage that it's understandable to ignore it most of the time.

You are too prejudiced to make a good critic.

>>127684635
I love Scott Ross (no homo)