Thread 128067671

"On the Origin of Species" of Music edition.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blJO3ESyF_k&list=OLAK5uy_lbyFx4Y3fkYp5H7MdGuTXAYuW4IEt-sRU&index=4

This thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.

>How do I get into classical?
This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:
https://rentry.org/classicalgen

Previous: >>128041465

First for Schosty <3

James Tenney

Can we talk about how classical composers helped to create and shape jazz?

>Claude Debussy influenced jazz through his use of unconventional harmonies, scales, and rhythmic freedom, which broke from classical tradition and laid a foundation for jazz. His innovative use of extended chords, modes, pentatonic scales, and parallel motion resonated with jazz musicians like Duke Ellington and Miles Davis, offering them new harmonic and melodic possibilities. Jazz artists have directly incorporated his work, either by adapting his pieces or drawing inspiration from his atmospheric and impressionistic style.

The Apex of Art.
The Bard of Bacchus.
The Caster of Comfort.
The Dionysus of Delusions.
The Evoker of Ecstasy.
The Forth-Bringer of Fantastic-Fantasies.
The God of Greatness.
The Height of Heroism.
The Inventor of Ideas.
The Juggler of Jubilation.
The Knight of Knowledge.
The Love of Listeners.
The Master of Music.
The Nirvana of Noblemen.
The Oasis of Orgasm.
The Poisoner of Peons.
The Quester of Quixotic.
The Rattler of Romance.
The Sex of Sex-havers.
The Tactful of Tranquility.
The Up-lifter of Unbeaten.
The Visionary of Vibrance.
The Wagnerian of Wagners.
The X-Factor of Xenophiles.
The Yay of Youths.
The Zing of Zion.

I have been listening to Lohengrin obsessively these last few weeks, it is making me experience reveries. I unconsciously find myself humming the aria, it is as if the music has absorbed me inside itself, this "dreamy", "satisfying", "thirst-quenching" sequence - https://youtu.be/gcfxxtl4KLw?si=pm7xEKbzVJqFsdHG&t=421 Wagner has hypnotized me. He has made an asexual withdrawn man pregnant with happiness.

>>128067850
Wopin?
Waltzes?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UzUs3NjrHc

He summoned cathedrals of sound from the abyss, where kings wept and Valkyries soared through veils of mortal woe.
Now entombed in twilight’s grandeur, his spirit broods where music dares not breathe but in reverence.

>>128066353
> Stupid fun: rank the 9 symphonies, others will try to guess the composer
2 = 8 > 7 > 9 > 3 = 5 > 1 = 4 = 6

>>128067876
There is nothing in this world that is as interesting, majestic and powerful as Wagner. If a thought occupies your mind and its not Wagner, then just be silent. Don't talk. Don't do anything. Think only when Wagner comes to your mind, write only when Wagner is in the sentence, speak only when Wagner is created by your larynx. Nothing. Else. Matters.

>>128067890
Least obsessed Wagnerite itt.

>>128067886
Wellesz?

Name a musical sequence better than the Lohengrin overture (conducted by Kempe* but that is debatable). Madness. It is the music that makes you "mad". Insane.

Mozart

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWV2ncVc4MY&list=OLAK5uy_lHI67nLGHlcUqJfoK-0HwnZyhBTivocxE&index=5

>>128067917
No.

The French Suites by Bach is by far the most beautiful classical composition Ive ever heard. Its truly majestic
More like it?

>>128067890
Reminds me of an eccentric old fat music teacher in my HS. She would play us Wagner and somberly nod her head in silent appreciation. She would also go on a tangents overly praising Wagner. Must be some type of people i guess

>>128067991
>More like it?
His English Suites and Partitas.

>>128067671 (OP)
I'm trying to get more into classical, and this was my first time listening to this recording. Glenn's humming freaked me out at first, but I kind of like it.

>>128067991
The rest of Bach's piano/keyboard compositions of course. Well-Tempered Clavier, Goldberg Variations, Partitas, English Suites, Art of Fugue. Maybe you'll like Angela Hewitt's recordings of Couperin's keyboard music too.

>>128068016
I personally prefer other Goldberg Variations recordings, but I will say that one is famous for a reason. Gould isn't really popular in this general though. Hopefully you come to love more classical!

>>128067991
another great bach keyboard piece the anons didn't mention is the Musical Offering

>>128068085
Thank you. I'll look through those beginner recommendations. Any recordings you prefer for Bach and Beethoven's piano compositions?

>>128068016
Please don't listen to Gould. He is the most overrated, overhyped non-pianist hack. Go with anything else.
For Harpsichord (which it was originally written for), Hantai. For piano, there are many good ones. I'd suggest Arrau.
>>128068085
>but I will say that one is famous for a reason.
No, no it really is not famous for any good reason. This is appeal to popularity fallacy. It's just not good.

>>128068261
>Any recordings you prefer for Bach and Beethoven's piano compositions?
Heh, I could go on and on regarding this topic... for a simple answer for a beginner though, I would recommend:

Angela Hewitt for Bach
Gulda's set for Beethoven's complete piano sonatas, and for the piano concertos, probably Perahia/Haitink

note: for some of Bach's works, Hewitt has two recordings -- one from the late 90s, and then a newer take from ~2008. The older ones tend to have a more dance-like, tuneful approach, whereas the later ones have a slightly broader, looser interpretation for a more emotional experience. Can't go wrong with either, but there is a difference. Hell, listen to both. Anyway, enjoy!

>>128068285
>For piano, there are many good ones. I'd suggest Arrau.
...anon, you can't seriously be recommending this hissfest to a newbie to classical, come on. I can't even stand to listen to it and I love Arrau!

The best Goldberg Variations for a newbie are probably Hewitts' or Perahia's.

Perahia's Bach Goldberg Variations
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBFRBWEuP0w&list=OLAK5uy_lUpi7XF69-dAlgsRoHPgda4m1VL8e_qlk&index=1

Angela Hewitt's (2015)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03gWQFNVKE0&list=OLAK5uy_nSmosNQ5L8KpMyeACLoDvnzgBOP1oGhoQ&index=1

Bach's Goldberg Variations are one of the supreme achievements in all of music, as well as Western Art in general. It's one of the most recorded classical pieces in the repertoire. It's the kind of work one should explore many, many recordings over time, no great classical masterpiece can be reduced to a single interpretation. I've got several favorites of this work myself. This is where I'd recommend starting though.

>>128068424
>>128068016
forgot to tag/quote

>>128068358
Some people are completely fine with hissfests, and others get used to it, which is worth it since these recordings offer different styles and traditions.
Anyway, even if you hate hiss, anything is better than Ghoul.

>>128068516
And that's fine but it's silly, if not outright inconsiderate to recommend a recording to a newbie that even most people deeply into classical music cannot tolerate. A little hiss is fine but Arrau's GV is extreme. Like Tureck's WTC. Now, Tureck's Goldberg Variations? That's a fine recording with a tolerable amount of age. But not her WTC and not Arrau's GV.

>>128068261
>Bach
Andras Schiff
>Beethoven
Ronald Brautigam

>>128068591
well now you're just trying to bait me, anon

>>128068261
This is another really good start Beethoven piano sonatas set

Bach

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMDGcHmcLfA

>>128068340
Thank you, choice paralysis is a major issue for me when it comes to classical music.
>>128068285
I chose Gould because of picrel. I have no idea if any of the other recordings there are especially overrated/terrible, I just wanted a starting point.

>>128068733
Crap, it didn't attach.

>>128068733
>>128068748
Nah, everything rest is at least decent or listenable.

>>128068261
>>128068340
Also, when I said Gulda's Beethoven, I mean this more modern set on Amadeo, not his older one on Orfeo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzEyIJkK1vo&list=OLAK5uy_m_afPa6Mlu26qm3BjKrYKKDCFhkrLRxAo&index=74

>>128068733
>Thank you, choice paralysis is a major issue for me when it comes to classical music.

I know exactly what you mean, anon, and it's what put me off from classical for a long time, the daunting surfeit of recordings, the impossible question of "well which one do I listen to?"

And all I can really say to that is it's like a pool: you just gonna dive in. You learn by doing, or in this case listening. Over time you'll begin to pick up and recognize names, associate them with certain interpretive styles, and come to notice what you like, and then discover how to best find the recordings which suit your needs. Just know it's not a one-and-done thing. You don't listen to one cycle/set of Beethoven's piano sonatas and go "welp, check that off my list, what's next?" it's more "neat, loved that -- now I wonder how these other greats and hyped newcomers are doing it" y'know?

Here are some good starter youtube channels which really helped me out when I first seriously got into classical,

https://www.youtube.com/@incontrariomotu (focus on older recordings, generally Russian musicians)
https://www.youtube.com/@cgoroo (focus on classic recordings)
https://www.youtube.com/@olla-vogala4090
https://www.youtube.com/@AshishXiangyiKumar (almost entirely solo piano music)

basically I would to these channels (mostly the first one), and search, say, "mozart" or "elgar" or "violin sonata" or "string quartet" and just listen to whatever they had because they each are pretty well curated with great recordings, aka whatever they have uploaded, you know will be a good performance. Anyway, best of luck, enjoy, and feel free to ask whatever questions here :)

best Beethoven Piano Concerto cycle?

I'll still never understand how Gould became the best-selling Bach pianist of all-time. It'd be like if Celibidache become the bestselling conductor for Bruckner. Just shocking. Usually these hyper-idiosyncratic performances are the sole purview of hobbyists and connoisseurs looking for something different, experimental, and deconstructive, and not the favorite of the mass audience. Baffling.

>>128068882
There's like a thousand of them, anon. Every great conductor and pianist has a cycle, many of them multiple! But if I had to pick one, I'd go with Uchida/Sanderling.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htqcCjD24Zw&list=OLAK5uy_m3IkVWAb8LJD80ipPg1xWCYDfiIQWoLrI&index=7

>>128068919
eh, i don't like the album cover, is there one with a great album cover?
>>128068903
this one isn't bad

>>128068935
>eh, i don't like the album cover, is there one with a great album cover?
oh that's how you wanna play it? Okay, how about Brendel/Levine?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdbKT_gEXrA&list=OLAK5uy_ldKXOPGHfY3XuHbcKJlSBdp61WJTqEZLc&index=10

And then my final favorite, Arrau/Davis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqOkWBA1OYQ&list=OLAK5uy_kmASTQ2q9ZtV4EQDI0mp46tO3xxcpKnS8&index=13

For today's WTC we will be listening to... Bernard Roberts'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQiYwgWeqG0&list=OLAK5uy_k7AQQvkVXf1O262IdT2iEydtOi5G65yYg&index=63

>>128068694
I second this. This set is great.

>>128068516
>>128068358
>>128068590
Hissfests gonna get AI treatment sooner or later. It should be good for something.

>>128068903
Brautigam's Beethoven

>>128069056
yup

AI Prompt: clean up Arrau's Goldberg Variations and Feinberg's Well-Tempered Clavier

and not only that but perhaps

AI Prompt: produce me a Goldberg Variations recording performed by Sviatoslav Richter in the same tone and style with which he performed the Well-Tempered Clavier

can't wait!

combining the phrases of good covers and goldberg variations, we have...
<----
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaiSyOha90A&list=OLAK5uy_llagqAMg8_21FGh97IGXIk9O59CuDnIwM&index=1

you see this cover for a classical recording and you just know you're about to witness monumental greatness and sublimity

>>128069153
Why haven't Cortot or Kempff used Arno Breker's busts of them on an album cover? Why hasn't Breker's busts of Liszt and Wagner been used?

>>128069270
>bust
>it's a head

>>128069270
perhaps the effect is only positive when it's a woman's

>piano
>it's actually really loud

now playing

start of Schumann: Piano Trio No. 1 in D Minor, Op. 63
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yC0gg_czYgo&list=OLAK5uy_kYsVrzJeqg__y8E3KBgzYp_3IFUEn-MZE&index=2

start of Schumann: Piano Trio No. 2 in F Major, Op. 80
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVpjr_oqDJg&list=OLAK5uy_kYsVrzJeqg__y8E3KBgzYp_3IFUEn-MZE&index=6

start of Schumann: 6 Studien in kanonischer Form, Op. 56
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9CC-eY6V2U&list=OLAK5uy_kYsVrzJeqg__y8E3KBgzYp_3IFUEn-MZE&index=10

start of Schumann: Piano Trio No. 3 in G Minor, Op. 110
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utD4AWZ0LF0&list=OLAK5uy_kYsVrzJeqg__y8E3KBgzYp_3IFUEn-MZE&index=16

start of Schumann: Fantasiestücke, Op. 88
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5jfRqbbG90&list=OLAK5uy_kYsVrzJeqg__y8E3KBgzYp_3IFUEn-MZE&index=19

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kYsVrzJeqg__y8E3KBgzYp_3IFUEn-MZE

>>128069397
>Christian Tetzlaff
He used that god awful HIPster style in his recording of the Bach Sonatas and Partitas, I haven't touched anything else by him for fear my ears be subjected to that aural torture again.

>>128069421
What do you mean? And he's got 3 recordings of those Sonatas and Partitas, all of them wonderful and slightly different. While I wouldn't characterize any of them as HIP or even HIP-adjacent, his earlier two sets are even more traditional than his newest one. ex:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ja6RaLrJb98&list=OLAK5uy_lxahg59eGJTrcKrmEMnW2FCEjy0jxR8FI&index=27

>>128069489
Sounds thin and flat, just like I remember. No thank you.

What's your favorite Mozart's solo piano work (not counting the sonatas)?

>>128070462
the suite k 399
but i haven't heard of the rest that much

>>128070462
K. 475
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSbj5hkn18g&list=OLAK5uy_nJ2xQOpsmYiEKj0_NXAvro8SrComQltGY&index=5

For those of you who have watched LoGH, did you like the classical music used?
(I'd ask this on /a/ but they don't know shit about music)

now playing

start of Mozart: Piano Sonata No. 17 In B Flat, K.570
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCI03bldHzU&list=OLAK5uy_maDSzXmmEGznykUjQrjQB7mwg_pk-yBiU&index=2

start of Mozart: Piano Sonata No. 18 in D, K.576
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBLGPIN7HWY&list=OLAK5uy_maDSzXmmEGznykUjQrjQB7mwg_pk-yBiU&index=5

Mozart: Adagio in B minor, K.540
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ClK6waNHd4&list=OLAK5uy_maDSzXmmEGznykUjQrjQB7mwg_pk-yBiU&index=7

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_maDSzXmmEGznykUjQrjQB7mwg_pk-yBiU

>>128070462
Check out this K.540

>>128068261
>Beethoven's piano compositions
Wilhelm Kempff for the sonatas

The

Cello

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/GBlfBkP9H8o

lol??

>>128072038
>Christianity
>far-right

pick one.

>>128070719
Yes, it used a lot of great music and not necessarily just famous pieces. You could maybe argue its choice of music was often tonally wrong but it added to the historical atmosphere of the world.

Are the books by Alfred Brendel and Charles Rosen worth reading? I'm afraid their bad playing is somehow going to leak into their musical opinions and thereby infect my appreciation of music.

>>128072038
As someone who likes to use God and divinity as superlatives to compliment creatives and their work, I can't wait until thing shift to where people begin giving me funny looks when I say it in real life.

>Beethoven was composing with the voice of God.
>...oh, you Christian?
>What? No.

>>128072187
Wagner is God.

>>128072203
...oh, you're a Christian?

This really takes the edge off, lads

>>128072215
I've only heard a couple of her recordings but she's pretty good. And a nice duality to the Yuja Wang's name if you get my drift.

is this ever gonna unlock!? when does this get finally released wtf stop teasing me! I've even been holding off from revisiting Aimard's WTC Book 1 so I can listen to them together as a package for the full experience

>>128072251
October 24 as per Apple Classical

>>128072274
Thanks. Can't wait

Do Asians have a special affinity for Debussy because his music sounds Asiatic?

>>128072291
Asians are drawn to overtly emotional music (eg. Chopin, Rachmaninoff, Debussy) because it's a counterbalance to their personal culture and personality.

>>128072306
so what you're saying is Asians are repressed faggots?

>>128053694
no, no one has ever listened to that recording ever, where did you find this obscure recording that not a single person heard ever?

>>128072321
I prefer to think of it as sublimating their desires through art, but you could say that. Though I don't know if 'repressed' is the right word because they're only acting in their nature, but that's getting too deep into it here.

>>128072325
Didn't know cross thread replies were a thing...

I hope you went through the thread over there and understand why I asked Anon...

>>128072337
>I hope you went through the thread over there and understand why I asked Anon
i didn't

>>128072342
>i didn't
Clearly... What, if anything, are you currently listening to?

>>128072337
Don't mind the rude schizo, just politely nod and smile until they leave you alone.

>>128072359
Sibelius Violin Concerto (Ferras/Karajan)
you?
>>128072363
how was i being rude? i was just being an asshole

>>128072383
>how was i being rude? i was just being an asshole
damn my bad

>>128072383
>Sibelius Violin Concerto (Ferras/Karajan)
>you?

Some Bach, The Well Tempered Clavier from Pierre Laurent Aimard.

>>128072306
They don't seem to particularly like Wagner.

>>128072383
why are there swastikas on the cover?

>>128072411
ah, the real schizo

>>128072404
Not that anon, but if you end up liking Aimard's Bach, be sure to check out his wonderful Art of Fugue recording too (and be ready to spiritually transcend)

i love Scriabin's piano works, where do i start with his orchestral works? the concerto?

>>128072547
the symphonies, the concerto, the tone poem

why hasn't anyone written a 3 hour long symphony?

>>128072187
anon I don't think anyone but christians would say something like that

>>128072336
different wording with the same meaning. for comparison, when Germans express anything through art they always take an autistic hypermasculine approach.

Asians are the polar opposite. In music they can't help themselves from being overtly emotional and sentimental.

>>128072306
those composers are famous everywhere, it's just that more asians are into classical music these days so you notice it more, but yeah especially Chopin is probably the most well known composer world wide.

>>128072733
Obviously. But Asians are especially enamored with that kind of classical music. I don't think I've met any that had any real love for Mozart or Bach, or hell, even Beethoven. Some I had met who were really into those composers I named legitimately hadn't even heard of Brahms! Because for them, classical music only begins in the high romantic era.

>>128072743
there is an orchestra in japan dedicated to performing Bach specifically, his music is used in anime all the time too, so there definitely are some love for him there.

>>128072757
Of course. These are never hard-set, black-and-white delineations and rules, only percentages, habits, and inclinations.

>>128072757
>his music is used in anime all the time too
yeah like Evangelion, and uhh yeah

>>128072743
Asians are too effeminate and frivolous to genuinely appreciate and understand the art of Bach, Beethoven, and Brahms.

>>128072383
>>128072411
as a black woman, those swastikas are threatening to me. dees wyties tryna kill me an shit

>>128072790
I would be willing to buy into the first part of that. Not sure what frivolous in your context means though, like unsubstantial? Lacking in the spiritual dimension?

>>128072808
fuck off, ESL.

>>128072821
...

I just don't see how an entire people could be called frivolous.

>>128072790
i'm asian

>>128072845
bug man faggot.

>>128072888
i'm actually not asian

>>128072888
hey, cool it with the racism please, thank you

>>128072888
as a black woman, i agree, asians are evil racists

let's finally try this Tchaikovsky cycle, the one by the conductor whose name you cannot say on 4chan

start of Tchaikovsky: Symphony No. 1 in G Minor, Op. 13, TH.24 "Winter Reveries"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHuvuWDUCps&list=OLAK5uy_n1T4LsTjr-pKykHWNTpmH0LmMz-H5_Qk8&index=2

start of Tchaikovsky: Symphony No. 2 in C Minor, Op. 17, TH.25 "Little Russian"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuXWSHyOlx4&list=OLAK5uy_n1T4LsTjr-pKykHWNTpmH0LmMz-H5_Qk8&index=6

start of Tchaikovsky: Symphony No. 3 in D Major, Op. 29, TH.26 "Polish"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiBqSttAx2A&list=OLAK5uy_n1T4LsTjr-pKykHWNTpmH0LmMz-H5_Qk8&index=9

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_n1T4LsTjr-pKykHWNTpmH0LmMz-H5_Qk8

I know a lot of critics and listeners hate it, so if it sucks, well, that happens, and I'm prepared lol.

>>128067671 (OP)
Why do pseuds, 110 IQ holders and babbys second classical listeners underrate him?

>>128073285
>t. asian

t. asian

Chopin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyAKKJD5xBE

Recs for recordings of Chopin's Polonaises?

>>128073285
Because he's gay and neurotic

>>128072291
>Debussy
>sounding asiatic
Maybe Pagodes, and some parts of La mer , but using the pentatonic scale doesn't make turn a piece into ching chong ping pong eat the dog for dinna tunight. His exocticism is rooted more in Church modes and Caucasus more than anything else.

But to answer your question, it's because Debussy is god-like and not neurotic that's why.

>>128073372
>chopin
>neurotic
I don't think you know what that word means, anon.

>Today I will remind them

BAB
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>DAILY REMINDER
>DAILY REMINDER

IAA
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>>128073388
anon nooooo

>>128073399
>"Neurotic" describes a personality trait characterized by a higher tendency to experience negative emotions like anxiety, anger, and worry

Chopin fits every aspect of the definition.

>average BABIAA listener

We will disarm and subdue every 18th-19th century heretic that would put on a Mozart Piano concerto or Chopin Nocturne

We are the Mockers of Mozart
We put a chokehold on classicism

We are the Cuckolders of Chopin
We are the Rapists of Romantics

We are the murderers of Mahler
We strike fear in every pretentious and neurotic writer of 1 hour symphonies

>Listening to Bach
>not listening to Mozart
>Listening to Marais
>Not listening to Haydn
>Listening to Ravel
>not listening to Mahler
>listening to Stravinsky
>not listening to Schoenberg or Shostakovich

Is there a better feeling in this world?>Listening to Bach
>not listening to Mozart
>Listening to Marais
>Not listening to Haydn
>Listening to Ravel
>not listening to Mahler
>listening to Stravinsky
>not listening to Schoenberg or Shostakovich

Is there a better feeling in this world?

>Your Romanticism
>My Foot
>Your Classicism
>My Fist

I will crush the Mozart enjoyers, and liberate the Chopin listeners with Vivaldi, Josquin, and Perotin

>Bach
>Machaut
>Ives
>Marais
>Buxtehude
>Stravinsky
>Reich
>Bartok

No Mozart, No Brahms, No Haydn, No Mahler
No Autistic Teutonic spirit shall oppress or taint the Gallic, Latin, and Slavic soul

Mozart gives me the ick,

As does Brahms, Mahler, early-middle Beethoven, Bruckner, Chopin, Schumann, Strauss II, Hindemith, Schoenberg, Reger, Berg, Tchaikovsky, Boulez, Stockhausen, Haydn, Bruch, Salieri, Shostakovich, Clementi, and Prokofiev

That is all

>>128073420
>anxiety
>anger
>worry
Doesn't really sound like Chopin. Mahler and Shostakovich are that way.

>when they listen to Mozart and Haydn concertos and completely neglect the Sun Kings court
>When they listen to vocal works by Verdi, Rossini or Puccini, but not Palestrina or the Franco-Flemish School
>When they don't listen to Marin Marais more frequently than Beethoven or Brahms
>No Perotin or Medieval Music

>If it ain't BAROQUE, don't fix it
>I dumped her because she BAROQUED my heart
>I had to go to the doctor because I BAROQUED my leg in a gondola accident
>I would go to the concerto with you, but I'm BAROQUE
>The Baroque BAROQUED the renaissance mold

>>128073503
>Stage fright: Chopin had severe stage fright and gave very few public concerts in his life. He once told his friend Franz Liszt that an audience made him feel "asphyxiated" and "paralyzed".

>Mood swings: He experienced recurrent depressive mood swings and was described as having a "violent" and "excitable" temperament by his friend Liszt.

>Intense sensitivity: Chopin was very sensitive to his surroundings and critics, leading to constant anxiety. This sensitivity also meant he could be overcritical of others and sometimes portray minor annoyances as catastrophic events.

>Impact on creativity: His nervousness and emotional struggles influenced his work, with some researchers suggesting his music expressed the "restlessness of the artist".

>Other health concerns: In addition to his mental and emotional struggles, Chopin was also frail and sickly, suffering from health problems that may have contributed to his overall anxiety and nervous disposition.

This all sounds very neurotic to me, not conducive to Platonic living, be careful with the affectations, they may turn your body mind to dark paths.

Remember not all Romantics are bad but all bad composers do tend be Romantic, except for Classical, all Classical composers are shit
Below is a list of acceptable Romantics:

>Field
>Chabrier
>Franck
>Tarrega
>Wagner*
>Any of the Russian 5
>Grieg
>Alkan
>Late Beethoven

>>128073538
Is that an AI copy and paste... also none of that has anything to do with his music

>>128073519
is Kirnberger baroque? personally, I think he continued composing baroque music after the 1750's purely out of spite.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDNwToMC0EY

NO MOZART
NO CHOPIN
NO MAHLER
ALL ROMANTICS SCRAM!

ALL CLASSICISTS EAT SHIT AND DIE
THIS THREAD IS FOR MARIN MARAIS!

SONATA FORM SHOULD DIE
ONLY CONCERTO GROSSO FOR I!

HAYDN IS LIKE A ROTTEN WHEAT
WHAT I NEED IS A BACH CELLO SUITE


BACH AND BEFORE, IVES AND AFTER

>copy+pastes AI text
>talks about Platonic living and other's minds turning to dark paths
Anon, I...

>>128073538
Could you please link to a work of Chopin's that you would say has the dominant moods of anxiety, anger and worry?

>>128073556
These are all recorded incidents, the AI was lazy for sure on my end, but my point still stands. His neurotic behavior affected his which is why it sounds so nervous and fleeting aside from the more tranquil part of the Nocturnes

>>128073568
I would do it out of spite as well to counter all the alberti bass faggot shit that Haydn and Mozart were churning out.

>>128073624
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkG7mxhx36U&list=RDjkG7mxhx36U&start_radio=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7ECbcwyjPY&list=RDJ7ECbcwyjPY&start_radio=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QT7ITv9Ecs&list=RD8QT7ITv9Ecs&start_radio=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejUG_nAEQKM&list=RDejUG_nAEQKM&start_radio=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHlqEvAwdVc

He has very tranquil moments which are very beautiful but they are ruined by the kling klangy romantic piano neuroticism. The B major Etude is a great example of what I'm saying, it has such a beautiful middle movement but its ruined by the dinosaur stomping at the beginning and end.

That will hurt about just anyone's ears as the pianos timbres aren't made for that type of playing, but I guess that's the point of the study to being with.

This is also what makes Scriabin's music such an enigma as well, since he was about twice as neurotic as Chopin. Aside from a few loud parts in the sonatas, etudes, poetic pieces and the late works batshit quackery, the majority of his early and middle period is very soothing and relaxed

>>128072653
...thats the joke he was making, I assume

>>128072653
>>128073850
It's metaphorical.

Anyone else think he's is unfairly categorized as the one hit wonder guy? His music is so straight forward and to the point. He may not be as clever as Bach or Buxtehude, but that's not necessarily a bad thing, I feel like the simplicity and clearness of the music gives it a some what humble charm, if that makes sense.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hr7L6FoPbes&list=RDhr7L6FoPbes&start_radio=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_2WfX4CSu8&list=RDG_2WfX4CSu8&start_radio=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EK4Y6NaOVjA&list=RDEK4Y6NaOVjA&start_radio=1

Schubert's solo piano music makes me so happy. D. 958, 959, the 6 moments musicaux, and the impromptus. Oh, and the D. 946 Klavierstucke. Just pure, unbridled musical joy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BxE5GK2d7s

>>128073780
If you think the Heroic Polonaise is characterised by neuroticism then you're genuinely retarded. Holy shit lmao.
>He has very tranquil moments which are very beautiful but they are ruined by the kling klangy romantic piano neuroticism. The B major Etude is a great example of what I'm saying, it has such a beautiful middle movement but its ruined by the dinosaur stomping at the beginning and end.
Oh I see, you think fortissimo and wide dynamics on a keyboard means "neurotic".

>>128073979
it's the same faggot that posts that spams that gay buff brown guy in every thread, ignore her.

>>128073780
>me when I've backed myself into a corner in an online argument by making nebulous, iffy claims and start using fake evidence in hopes it works

>>128074022
>posts that
oops meant to delete that

GET OUT OF MY HEAD BACH, just let me listen to this other music without a voice popping into my head of "hey, switch to Bach's Sonatas and Partitas for Solo Violin real quick, c'mon, you know you want to" lemme enjoy some other composers for a bit goddamn

>>128073979
Yes, loud and obnoxious piano dynamics are the result of someone emotionally unrestrained. If that B major etude didn't bother you at all, maybe your ears are just built for aural fucking

>>128074022
Someone needs to teach these romantitrannies the truth.

>>128074025
Thats not how green text works zoomer

you really have to imagine what type of person would post the same exact slop posts in every single thread every day, this might be even worse than the Nicotranny.

>>128074131
I don't mind it, it's just 4chan culture, it's part of the vibe of the place, like decoration

>>128074137
i do when it's just the same exact thing every time, and it's AI slop anyway.

Tureck's Bach

Goldberg Variations, BWV 988
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaiSyOha90A&list=OLAK5uy_llagqAMg8_21FGh97IGXIk9O59CuDnIwM&index=2

Aria variata alla maniera italiana in A Minor, BWV 989
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kIAF_c4M04&list=OLAK5uy_llagqAMg8_21FGh97IGXIk9O59CuDnIwM&index=34

Italian Concerto in F Major, BWV 971
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GJ2x5qx6HY&list=OLAK5uy_llagqAMg8_21FGh97IGXIk9O59CuDnIwM&index=45

Overture in the French Manner, BWV 831
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nBKbfY3oRs&list=OLAK5uy_llagqAMg8_21FGh97IGXIk9O59CuDnIwM&index=47

>>128074131
I'm the BABIAA spammer, thanks for the laugh.

I'm having diarrhea rn because I had to listen to Chopin to prove me point

>>128074155
lol

>>128074155
kek, you're welcome

>>128074150
Goddamn I forgot how slow the opening aria of this recording is. Played at this tempo, I can see how this piece would be great for falling asleep to.

i can only sleep when Shostakovich Symphony 4 is playing on full volume, fuck you.

>>128074169
Now that's what I call neurotic. On that note, his 8th, 10th, 11th, and 12th are all wonderful for sleep. Put those in a playlist and I guarantee you'll be out and comfy before it ends.

favorite recordings of Die Kunst der Fuge (the greatest piece of music ever written)?

What's the best recording of the Messiah?

I've underrated Handel for so long, but the Dixit Dominus has dilated my soul the same way a Wagner overture has, and I feel like I've lost so much of myself by not listening to this Divine and God given tub of pork and beer

>>128074246
>What's the best recording of the Messiah?
i know, but i won't tell you.

>>128074237
Aimard, Trifonov, Nikoleyeva

Also worth mentioning Nosrati and Hewitt. I need to check out Sokolov's too. I also love string quartet versions of it (Cuarteto Casals and Juilliard SQ).

>>128074246
Richter for a more reverential performance, Solti for the traditional jaunty approach.

>>128074246
i like Colin Davis

>>128074267
I'm listening to the "He was despised " recitative from the Trevor Pinnock rendition. I usually don't like Von Otter, but her voice sounds fantastic on this one I'll listen to the Richter version afterwards.

>>128074237
>First prize winner of the prestigious Naumburg Competition in 2017, like Stephen Hough, one of his mentors, Albert Cano Smit is a pianist noted for his bold choices and his taste for atypical musical associations. At the age of 9, he completed his musical education at the Abbey of Montserrat in Spain, where polyphony played a major role. Nourished by this teaching, Albert Cano Smit chose the ultimate achievement in this field, L'Art de la fugue, for his first solo album. "I remember hearing the opening notes of the piece for the first time, and being captivated by the impression that an entire universe was slowly being revealed through the work. Without immediately understanding the degree of complexity, I was deeply moved by the music, and I believe every listener can be. This album is my humble attempt at communicating this to every music lover. I'm grateful to them and to everyone joining me on this journey of discovery."

>>128074328
I'll have to check that one out. I usually avoid the HIPsters and HIPster-adjacents like Pinnock and Marriner but in choral works they can be nice.

didn't know Lortie had any Chopin; let's see how he does it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yw75D7BhU6w&list=OLAK5uy_kJTsY4fz9QKctZlSaSRZBCHFjd3xibFG4&index=22

>>128073305
>op. 62 no.1
Based. Koczalski's interpretation is too good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boFI7K7eFOA

>Average baroque music listener

https://youtu.be/TqmFYe32kWM

>>128074858
What the fuck, why does this exist? I hate this so much, this is what happens when people aren't told to kill themselves at least a few times.

>>128074858
Dox, raid, send za's and rape NOW

>>128074858
>Romantic music is for aristocrats
>Baroque music isnt
This retarded tranny doesn't even know what he's talking about

>>128074888
Romantic music is when concerts became the primary place for classical innovation rather than the court, what is this nigger SAYING

>>128074858
Average nu/classical/caca

>>128068016
Fuck Gould and just listen to Scriabin, faggot.

>>128072547
Start with pic related and this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOjQ4j9bLvg

>>128074858
>>128074876
>>128074886
Is he wrong though? I agree with him completely.
>>128074888
This was the biggest trvke he dropped. Romantic is for the real connoisseurs

>>128074858
just fucking kill yourself. I hate trannies so much that I quit a course just to avoid being in the same room as one.

>>128074977
You seem deranged

>>128074981
you misspelt "sane".

>>128074987
>sane
>in 21st century
Nice try.

>>128074996
take some rope and turn your fan into a merry-go-round.

>>128074967
Everything a tranny says its wrong because it came out of a tranny's mouth

now playing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQCuG0TQSac

>>128074858
>not a single troll comment posted
4chan is dead

now that the dust has settled, this is the best WTC of all-time, ye?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9YKqSxi9-g&list=OLAK5uy_lrgzLR_qdPQOX2KiJTXb3slMgz2X_eP98&index=28

>>128075048
ywnbaw.

>>128075020
That is a logical fallacy, little bigoted guy

>>128075091
swallow a packet of needles and die. ywnbaw.

>shaves one time
>dies

there is literally nothing wrong with murdering trannies and dropping their corpses down to the ocean floor.

>>128075135
Yes there is

Ocean pollution is bad.

I think I've finally come around on Chopin's piano concertos :)

>>128075133
kek

Is there literally any orchestral piece that actually improves when played by a pared-down chamber orchestra? I swear it's just a scheme to justify lower payroll budgets for the orchestra.

>>128075133
he was also a manlet.

>>128075147
The Rite of Spring

>>128075147
While I don't really like chamber orchestra transcriptions, I do think some works tend to sound better with a ~50-player orchestra vs a ~100 player orchestra. Mainly more contrapuntally rich works.

was just about to listen to Giulini's recording of Brahms' German Requiem to end the day when I went to Amazon to pull the album cover and saw Raphael Pichon released a recording of it this summer! Well damn, guess I gotta listen to that one now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65a3CP6u3zk&list=OLAK5uy_lkyTjk9pB_qxgsbDGZaO2fY5rjLYJNwFg&index=1

>>128075141
It's hard to not love them. The 1st especially is just a giga-earworm once you're reminded of it. It never leaves your mind.

>>128075193
They had to nerf him somehow.

>>128075133
>refuses to elaborate further

I just want to play my Erik Satie CD and my neighbours keep making obnoxious knocking noises all the time. England is just unbelievably hostile. It completely defeats the point of the music. What should I do? It's like 10AM, I'm at home, surely people are out.

>>128075277
remove kebab.

>>128075281
Not really in the mood for jokes, sorry.

>>128075289
the mass immigration of brownoids is no laughing matter.

>>128075298
I'm not laughing.

>>128075135
>Deleting a post as milquetoast as this
fuck jannies

no one:
absolutely nobody:
still nobody:
not a single soul:
literally no one:
not even Mozart (still alive):
not even yuja wang:
random incel on 4chan: WAGNER IS LE BEST COMPOSER EVAR!!! W.
[everyone disliked that]
barenboim: wait that's illegal
glenn gould: ok that was lowkey on point
scriabincel: slaps roof of car luke did i ever tell you about the time i wrote a piece to bring about the end of the world? it was an epic moment.
luke: is retarded
CIA: Bane?
Wagner's ghost: hey don't google HP Lovecraft's cat name
[OP googles hp lovecrafts cat name]
CIA: congratulations you got yourself caught!
Chopincel: flies past in a spaceship ooooh i dont care what universe you're from that's GOTTA HURT
[everyone laughed]
Barenboim: you're breathtaking!
area 51 guards:i bet i can take Barenboim
Barenboim: you sure about that
Barenboim: kills all area 51 guards
area 51:wait thats illegal
Everyone liked that
CIA: am I joke to you?
Mahoposter: I am a gay pedophile who likes little girls
[everyone disliked that]
kraut: I'm gonna post notations
Alt right incels: there's no way classical can be good agai....
Alma Deutscher: hold my beer
Big chungus joined the chat
Drumpf has left the chat
/classical/lets: 'Yeah, I'm thinking this is kind of epic based pilled, maybe a bit of a coom moment?? Idk think I might post a link.

>>128075336
It wasn't /classical/ related, deserved to be deleted.

>>128075344
+1

>>128075277
they're still knocking, I turned off the music 20 minutes ago.

>>128075277
>>128075420
sorry anon :(

headphones?

>>128075420
10 am on a chewsday? shouldn't you be at work mate?

>>128075336
The people that live without rules ought to be considered barbarians and thus treated as such. Only animals live without laws and regulations. The purity of /classical/ will not be polluted by some inferior, worthless rabble rousers. We espouse discipline, standard and order unlike the other generals on this site.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4hbEzT9toA

>>128075438
it's a long story, but I can't wear headphones, it's a convoluted autistic issue. I used to, but I can't when I'm stressed.
>>128075442
I don't work

>>128075336
Fuck off you piece of shit

>>128075243
Another winner by one of the great choral conductors of our era. Now we just need Pichon to record Beethoven's Missa Solemnis, Berlioz's Requiem, Dvorak's Stabat Mater, and maybe a Bruckner Mass and I can die happy.

I'm obsessed with this woodwind motive/figure in Rach's Symphonic Dances, the one that prefaces the saxophone tune (see here https://youtu.be/otJmf3pyb1E?t=179). It shows up in the 2nd movement of his 2nd symphony as well, before the string serenade hits. Does he use it anywhere else?

>>128076241
Oh yeah, that woodwind solo before one of the most beautiful string section I've ever listened to, fuck. I love it so much.
I can't think of anything similar off the top of my head, except of course 2nd concerto 1st movement, clarinets playing theme but piano is playing accompaniment. And 2nd movement, obviously, that famous solo. 3rd concerto 2nd mov, but with accompaniment. 4th concerto 2nd movement (near middle/ending bit) also with accompaniment.
But I'm sure you can find one without accompaniment somewhere.

>>128075344
What is this?

>Under the lead of Italian vocalism, Music had become an art of sheer agreeableness: one thus entirely denied to her the power of giving herself a like significance with the arts of Dante and Michelangelo, and had hence dismissed her, without more ado, to a manifestly lower rank of arts. Wherefore from out great Beethoven there was now to be won a quite new knowledge of her essence; the roots, whence Music had thriven to lust this height and this significance, were to be followed thoughtfully through Bach to Palestrina; and thus there was to be founded a quite other system for judging her aesthetically, than that which took its reckonings from a musical evolution lying far outside these masters' path.

>Beethoven is the only true melody maker. What Rossini gave the world in a vulgar way is already entirely there in him, in a noble form; everything in him is melos.

Gaylord Fagner

>>128075243
Wish a recording existed that had the lean forces and clarity of this one but without the weak, anemic Norrington-like HIP string sound. Oh, well. Nice vocal conducting and I enjoy the unusually bright and sweet tone of the female soloist.

Early morning

>>128077211
Just look at him. Look at that jawline, his expression and demeanor. There is just "something" about him. Something that is not human.

>>128078004
An Ape like face

>>128077285
>>128078149
Give me one reason as to why you hate Wagner. Just what was his crime? That he tried to "save" the entire fucking world?

>>128077922
>that cover
kek. Is this some goth music

>>128077922
Good morning. I don't recognize a single name on that album cover.

>>128078236
is this Anon doing a bit

>>128078429
>not recognizing Telemann

>>128078622
Never let the truth get the way of a joke!

>>128078642
Okay kitten :3

>>128078642
You tell em man!

>>128078702
It's ma'am

let's start the day with a modern recording (2010) of Brahms' violin concerto, now playing

start of Brahms: Violin Concerto in D Major, Op. 77
www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOnxyxTO4dE&list=OLAK5uy_luMTt8VTPQlY6HmTMUCP0O59LHGByLd-I&index=1

start of Berg: Violin Concerto "To the Memory of an Angel"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WJoNxQfkBQ&list=OLAK5uy_luMTt8VTPQlY6HmTMUCP0O59LHGByLd-I&index=4

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_luMTt8VTPQlY6HmTMUCP0O59LHGByLd-I

Love the violinist Renaud Capuçon, the prodigal conductor Daniel Harding can be good, even great at times, and of course the Vienna Phil. needs no introduction. Should be good!

>>128078702
hehe took me a few rereads to get it

>>128078702
>>128078818
Oh. kek

>best violin concerto, best piano concertos, best piano trios, best piano quintet, best clarinet quintet, best cello sonatas, best clarinet sonatas, best string quintets, best string sextets
>more masterpieces on top of that

FUCK how did he do it anons!?

>>128078859
>be brahms
>hmm i think i'm gonna match beethoven's genius musical versatility
>succeeds
wtf who does this...

>>128078859
>best violin concerto,
Mendelssohn
>best piano concertos,
Rachmaninoff
>best piano trios,
Schubert
>best piano quintet,
>best clarinet quintet,
Given
>best cello sonatas
Rachmaninoff
>best clarinet sonatas,
Given
>best string quintets,
Mozart
>best string sextets
Given

>>128078909
>>best cello sonatas
Actually Chopin, but he has 1.

>>128078909
Alfred Given is a pretty good composer, I'll give(n) you that.

Anyway I'll accept your substitutes, though the Rach cello sonata is questionable, even though I like that a ton.

>>128078921
u crazy but I'll accept it

>>128078909
>Rachmaninoff
lol

>>128078933
>u crazy
So whose cello sonata is da best
Chopin's is by far the most refined and contrapuntally rich. It's one of his best pieces
>>128078952
Okay, Rachmaninov.

>>128078967
>So whose cello sonata is da best
...

...

...

...brahms'

>>128078967
so true emotionally dishonest virtuososlopper

>>128078986
thanks midwit

>>128079001
>midwit

felt bored so here's my list of essential Goldberg Variations recordings. note: not necessarily my favorites, though some of these are of course, because some of my favorites are rather idiosyncratic and attuned to my personal preferences. all of these are at least excellent and more idiomatic and therefore essential

hope it helps someone enjoy one of the supreme aesthetic achievements in all of human artistic history!

>>128079081
Jed Distler includes Gould's 1981 and Schiff's Decca recordings from the 90s in his reference recordings of the Goldberg Variations, wasn't sure if I should include them. Felt iffy leaving them off but putting them on would have me feeling the same. In fact, I don't think I've heard Gould's '81 recording, might have to try that out today... (I've of course heard his seminal '55 recording).

>>128079081
>>128079138
I admire you for not including Ghoul.

>>128079138
why not...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0Ytqf2zXWc&list=OLAK5uy_meLBGOX9UBGW-6AvhpCRHgjMxuQ33L0Pc&index=26

I in equal parts expect to be blown away and revolted.

>>128079155
lol it would have been dishonest, but people ought to try him at *some* point

Listening to Bohm's bruckner 7 got me in the mood again for Bohm in general

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kbP-FDVaHY

let's revisit Olafsson's Goldberg Variations. I know some people here really love it, same with the classical public at large. Critics were split, most of them thinking it was good but not great. Is it all hype? Let's find out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMGIncslU6g&list=OLAK5uy_k2er6VZFwCAEa1zJPHWVY5vYAG8-TEM5w&index=1

>>128079224
Can't ever go wrong with him. Bruckner, Brahms, Mozart, Schubert, Beethoven...

>>128079161
>>128079228
why do you keep deleting your posts

once I'm like Hitler everyone who likes R*ssian music will be dealt with

>>128079290
My only issue is that he often doesn't do the repeats, which, depending on the movement can be a huge blow. Brahms 2's first movement is a good example, the development is such an important part of it that I think observing it is of utmost importance so the listener is well acquainted with the theme before the development starts.

I also think that all of Mozart's andantes all deserve their repeats observed because they're lovely

>>128079392
>theme
*themes

Bach

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_Oo_cdGfMU&list=OLAK5uy_ldihEnJjUsNUmmBXB6DHEojYXquHFvC9k&index=13

For Wand's Bruckner 8ths, NDR, Berlin, or Cologne?

>>128078859
>is literally an incel
I'll take Bach, Franck and Liszt thank you, at least they got laid.

>>128079321
Stopped listening to the recording and changed to something else.

What do you guys think of Trevor Pinnock? In my opinion, he has the best version of the Brandenburg Concertos with The English Concert.

>>128079690
Not to my tastes generally but has his mega stature for a reason, and if I only had his recordings to listen to for some works, I'd be willing to listen and most likely enjoy it.

>>128079690
I like his Handel a lot. Enjoyed his Rameau keyboard recording too.

>>128079707
He's great for baroque music.

>>128079690
His keyboard concertos on harpsichord was one of the albums that got me into classical.

>>128078244
Telemann

now playing

start of Beethoven: Piano Concerto No. 4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqrFJV0oaIc&list=OLAK5uy_kuaBdp_cwXYmNrgJC9OnqjIq3gqole6lE&index=11

start of Beethoven: Piano Concerto No. 5
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obgbfG9N2jI&list=OLAK5uy_kuaBdp_cwXYmNrgJC9OnqjIq3gqole6lE&index=13

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kuaBdp_cwXYmNrgJC9OnqjIq3gqole6lE

>No Talk about the Chopin competition
not that I needed any more proof that all of you are just a bunch of posers

>>128078429
I like both Oberlinger and Ensemble 1700

>>128079918
I like the idea of it, that it exists, but for my own pleasure, I prefer listening to recordings where the pianist has taken their time to come up with a personalized, ideal performance in an artistic context, not a live competitive one. I do feel bad no one else here wants to discuss it with you though, I know how that feels and it sucks. I'm sure there are on-going and active discussions on other sites and forums.

>>128079918
I guess you are only anon that ever talks about that competition every year.

>>128079918
I watch the live sometimes, and performances like Kevin Chen's technically flawless but otherwise boring performance. I can't keep up with 20 different pianists playing same thing in the same style over and over, I get fatigued. Plus, I'm not always in the mood for solo piano, as much as I love it.

>>128073780
>loud = neurotic
Kek, this is the biggest load of baloney I've read in a long time.

what is the Trout Mask Replica of Classical Music?

>>128079918
Why would I give a shit about new pianists, much less new pianists playing fucking Chopin in the year 2025? There's absolutely nothing new or interesting they can offer at this point, Chopin has been done to DEATH.

>>128080074
But I'm gonna chime in no-
>it's over
kek

>>128080102
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZi8vhD1fLI&list=OLAK5uy_lJcNAh1y7OsQd_OA0Pp--02cEaL817S_I

>>128080102
Probably something like Philip Glass' Einstein on the Beach or Messiaen's Quartet of the End of Time. Actually that latter one is spot on. Yeah, that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBFOwHLYj70

>>128080116
Embarrassing.

>>128080153
yeah, i know you are, but what am i?

>>128080153
Your lack of a counterargument is embarrassing. Make an attempt or shut the fuck up, faggot.

Speaking about live perfomances, what is that piece Karajan was conducting and the audience starts clapping together with the music, then he conducts the audience too. It was a waltz by any of the Strauss. Any anon care to share the link?

now playing

start of Schumann: String Quartet No. 1 in A Minor, Op. 41, No. 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lgtnr38w90M&list=OLAK5uy_l44m9Z4hyJC0kpSSD1QPaVtZCBK-EHE5A&index=2

start of Schumann: String Quartet No. 2 in F Major, Op. 41, No. 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKeiGgU6V80&list=OLAK5uy_l44m9Z4hyJC0kpSSD1QPaVtZCBK-EHE5A&index=6

start of Schumann: String Quartet No. 3 in A Major, Op. 41, No. 3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P368XR4IGNY&list=OLAK5uy_l44m9Z4hyJC0kpSSD1QPaVtZCBK-EHE5A&index=9

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_l44m9Z4hyJC0kpSSD1QPaVtZCBK-EHE5A

>>128079918
Competitions are for horses, not musicians.

>>128080169
What's there to counter? Contemporary musicians and their performances are worth listening to. There's always new and interesting things to be said about the music in the standard repertoire.

>>128080204
me on the left, trying to look nonchalant about the being shorter than the girl (in heels) i'm next to

>>128080116
Are you arguing in favor of the death of live performance? What are you doing in this general?

>>128080197
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2FZCz-PQfE
Strauss only has one popular waltz.

>>128080197
I found it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9JTNGLAO50

>>128080268
it's the /pol/tards who think anything artistic in the modern era is shit by default

hiss sisters, what do we think of Kempff's mono Hammerklavier?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3SRda1i-DY&list=OLAK5uy_lS4atw9ssnghLeZxKW2qL_I_PsU_Mbqc0&index=87

What works by CPE Bach do you rec me?

>>128080227
>Contemporary musicians and their performances are worth listening to
Not necessarily. This is just a slogan, not an argument.
>There's always new and interesting things to be said about the music in the standard repertoire
That's delusional. You assume perpetual freshness without explaining what, how or why something's new. The marginal return on yet another Chopin Competition performance in 2025 is extremely low. At this point, 95% of competitors are just re-packaging the same interpretative cliches. "Novelty" now means either exaggerated rubato or pretending that playing on a Pleyel is somehow interesting. Meanwhile, countless composers remain underappreciated and neglected because institutions keep worshipping the same fucking piano composer.
Calling people "posers" for not caring about yet another Chopin Competition is pure, retarded herd-think. Not to mention, contemporary performance practice has become so samey it hurts, but that's another debate entirely.
>uhm, contemporary musicians are worth listening to because...
>b-because THEY JUST ARE OKAY
You're a fucking retard!
>>128080268
Congratulations for getting *that* out of my post, you gargantuan retard.
>>128080283
Nice strawman, faggot. Got any other fallacies in your arsenal?

>>128080225
There is little difference.

>>128080373
Yeah well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

>>128080227
>Contemporary musicians and their performances are worth listening to.
Why?

Is it time for me to begin my Mozart obsession phase?

>>128080410
because that's how art works. all of the classics were contemporary and new at some point. so we keep on marching forward, keep on creating and trying new things

>>128080409
>>128080409
Yeah, an informed opinion based on observation and critical thinking, not blind, mindless and uncritical acceptance of institutional dogma or competition hype.

>>128080438
What exactly is the institutional dogma regarding listening to new releases or attending concerts?

>>128080427
You're just restating your assumption as proof. That's circular logic.
>we keep on marching forward, keep on creating and trying new things
This is fucking HYSTERICAL coming from someone glued to the Chopin Competition, where the whole premise is playing 200 year old music the exact same way for the millionth time. The biggest variety you'll find is in what kind of retarded faces the pianists make. Besides, what intrinsic worth is there in mindless striving for "progress" when the result is just another sanitized, jury-approved Etude No. 12?

Stockhausen edition next or I'm not posting.

>everything new sucks!
when it comes to art are only slightly less cringe than
>everything old sucks!
dolts and philistines

>>128080355
Same quality as in Spotify.

>>128080472
The dogma is precisely this uncritical assumption that "doing something" (going to concerts with the same music, listening to new releases of the same music, watching the same old competitions) is automatically good. That's literally what a dogma is, you fucking retard.

>>128080501
i meant of the performance. i see a lot of boomers talk about how great Kempff's mono Beethoven cycle is but I'm not convinced

>>128080496
>>everything new sucks!
Not what I said, but I'm not surprised you illiterate retards can't process anything that requires even a shred of nuance.

>>128080505
Whereas you are enlightened and know that sometimes "doing something" might not be good?

>>128080529
Congratulations, you've just described the basic principle of critical thinking!

>>128080534
Thank you :)

lmfao

give the man his stockhausen edition finally

>>128080580
topk(ek)itten

hehe topkitty, imma start super sayin that

The problem with a Stockhausen edition is I wouldn't even know what work to link to in the OP

>>128080629
link your momma's ass haha faggot

>>128080681
topkitty

>>128080629
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RMGGVlMuwo

so is someone baking a new bread or...

bread is done baking!
new
>>128080852
>>128080852
>>128080852
new