Thread 128106037

Giga Chad Scriabin Edition
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAawLHi9ahk

This thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.

>How do I get into classical?
This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:
https://rentry.org/classicalgen

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First for Schumann third rate romantic

badass male music for men

Scriabi's Diner

>>128106037 (OP)
Finally, a sexy edition

Scriabin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhAQjqfew2g

updated my computer this morning and then an hour into having it on, it crashed while listening to Bach. Hopefully that's not indicative of things to come, wtf

Wacky Woo hoo Jazz chord man

Looking for some Hiss heavy recordings of Scriabin 10

confession: I don't really care for Liszt's Transcendental Etudes

>>128106308
you probably found this too but
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbeC0_8kIlo

and then light hiss Sofronitsky
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESUSVP02WiQ

>>128106340
the Etudes don't care for you either

>>128106308
why.jpg

Anyone remember the Pfitzner memes from years ago?

>>128106424
There is some music that sounds good in hiss. Prokofiev's music, for another example.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPX1TEfhlw0

ya feeel?

>>128106468
Pfitzner IS the meme

>Preludio & Fuge
:/
>Prelude & Fugue
:)
>Praeludium & Fuga
:O

Thoughts on Tartini?

HELP! I'm listening to Tureck's WTC (remastered!) and the sublime euphoria is overwhelming

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDJdJVqcw24&list=OLAK5uy_kcMChOnev3PHY2J6et9yG-9S1GBFsuWyQ&index=23

(for the sickos who want the hiss)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuEjt7giyS4&list=OLAK5uy_nHtFdzWlFTJK2Q_IB_kTgFdQidSZqqk04&index=23

Which one do you prefer, Chopin's Mazurkas, Polonaises, Scherzi or Rondos?

>>128106635
Mazurkas, easily

Took me a bit to appreciate their excellence. For a longtime I thought they were just throwaway tunes but I was wrong

>>128106635
I forgot Waltzes.

>while in shower, decide I'm gonna listen to Ashkenazy's complete Chopin set
>pull it up on YouTube Music
>it's all out of order
goddamn it

>>128106635
Scherzos easily. They are his most elaborate one-movement works next to the ballades, barcarolle, fantasy in F and polonaise-fantaisie.

>>128107140
thanks ESL sister

>>128107140
:p

Based Musketeer's March

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Z5y1I3prLE

>>128106468
Remember me, /classical/?

Never forget that before that worthless little restaurateur Scriabin, you came to me when you wanted music to listen to dick in hand.

https://youtu.be/_QH2FUaGgY8

>>128107396
I don't know you

>>128107396
hail

>>128107438
Feels more like sleet to be honest

Chopin's Preludes are too beautiful for this world

>>128107752
What's your favorite recording?

>>128107797
It might honestly be one of those "my favorite is whichever I'm listening to and enjoying" kind of works.

and currently playing is
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0od4qdHq9c&list=OLAK5uy_m7dHdknbOR9zMqTD3cLtqmqbgYJxwt0Tw&index=4

>>128107797
not him but Julien Brocal

>>128106529
Idk. What should I listen from him?

>listening to recording
>YouTube Music has "Releases for you" recommendations at the bottom
>see a modern Beethoven's complete symphonies from a unrecognized composer with a foreign name, Sony logo on top
>click on recording to see the runtimes aka tempos of the movements, looks good, but the name + orchestra name is too long so it gets cut off
>click back to copy and paste the conductor's name from the previous page, on the "Releases for you" bar
>the recommendations are refreshed and it's gone
oh come on...

>>128107908
unrecognized conductor*, not composer, whoops

>>128107908
lmao good luck finding it

>>128107813
Hey that's the one prelude I can actually play on the piano!

>>128108093
Is it difficult? Do you plan on learning any of the others? Some are quite short and beautiful.

>>128108108
It's probably the easiest to play. The C minor prelude is also easy, learnt half of it, then gave up. I should get a teacher :p

Is it possible to perfectly reproduce someone else's performance over a sustained period or is classical music performance the kind of thing that's unique for any given occasion?

>>128108200
Not a pianist, but from what I can tell, it's usually very hard if not impossible to imitate someone's technique, and hard to replicate your own performance exactly the same way

>>128108243
Makes sense, thanks.

>>128107797
aAAaaaaAAaAA

>>128107816
Never heard of him; listened to his set just now and am of two minds. The places where he toes the line of "standard" interpretation are as good as any I've heard, but the places where he deviates from common performance practice are as often as not a detriment to the music. Mind you, he's not just changing random things for the sake of it, I can see the vision quite clearly in most cases, I just happen to disagree. An interesting listen for sure. Would recommend anons check it out.

I love harpsichord

>>128108605
It's one sided, I'm afraid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xo-H3diRRLE
Notker Balbulus and before
Anders Hillborg and after
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28gDrKkBStE

>>128108743
I recommend playing both videos at the same time for an unforgettable experience

best separate recordings of Rachmaninov's Piano Concerto Nos. 2, 3 & Paganini Rhapsody?

>>128109118
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4rpd2NUcNE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRQpTP0JY6s

maho more like my whore
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRyftGuoyj8

>>128107752
>>128107797
>>128107813
>>128107816
>neurotics

>Today I will remind them

BAB
A
B

>DAILY REMINDER
>DAILY REMINDER

IAA
A
A

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>average BABIAA listener

We will disarm and subdue every 18th-19th century heretic that would put on a Mozart Piano concerto or Chopin Nocturne

We are the Mockers of Mozart
We put a chokehold on classicism

We are the Cuckolders of Chopin
We are the Rapists of Romantics

We are the murderers of Mahler
We strike fear in every pretentious and neurotic writer of 1 hour symphonies

>Listening to Bach
>not listening to Mozart
>Listening to Marais
>Not listening to Haydn
>Listening to Ravel
>not listening to Mahler
>listening to Stravinsky
>not listening to Schoenberg or Shostakovich

Is there a better feeling in this world?

>Your Romanticism
>My Foot
>Your Classicism
>My Fist

I will crush the Mozart enjoyers, and liberate the Chopin listeners with Vivaldi, Josquin, and Perotin

>Bach
>Machaut
>Ives
>Marais
>Buxtehude
>Stravinsky
>Reich
>Bartok

No Mozart, No Brahms, No Haydn, No Mahler
No Autistic Teutonic spirit shall oppress or taint the Gallic, Latin, and Slavic soul

Mozart gives me the ick,

As does Brahms, Mahler, early-middle Beethoven, Bruckner, Chopin, Schumann, Strauss II, Hindemith, Schoenberg, Reger, Berg, Tchaikovsky, Boulez, Stockhausen, Haydn, Bruch, Salieri, Shostakovich, Clementi, and Prokofiev

That is all

>when they listen to Mozart and Haydn concertos and completely neglect the Sun Kings court
>When they listen to vocal works by Verdi, Rossini or Puccini, but not Palestrina or the Franco-Flemish School
>When they don't listen to Marin Marais more frequently than Beethoven or Brahms
>No Perotin or Medieval Music

NO MOZART
NO CHOPIN
NO MAHLER
ALL ROMANTICS SCRAM!

ALL CLASSICISTS EAT SHIT AND DIE
THIS THREAD IS FOR MARIN MARAIS!

SONATA FORM SHOULD DIE
ONLY CONCERTO GROSSO FOR I!

HAYDN IS LIKE A ROTTEN WHEAT
WHAT I NEED IS A BACH CELLO SUITE


BACH AND BEFORE, IVES AND AFTER

>>128109805
i,m want lick in her armpit ..

>>128107797
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2--MB8cuYlM

wtf this is actually good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWHdSYiIsgU

>Giuseppe Francesco Gaspare Melchiorre Baldassare Sammartini
>Muzio Filippo Vincenzo Francesco Saverio Clementi
>Maria Luigi Carlo Zenobio Salvatore Cherubini
>Giacomo Antonio Domenico Michele Secondo Maria Puccini
>Ferruccio Dante Michelangiolo Benvenuto Busoni
>Atanasio Martin Ignacio Vicente Tadeo Francisco Pellegrin Martin y Soler
>Manuel María de los Dolores Clemente Ramón del Sagrado Corazón de Jesús Falla y Matheu
Do mediterraneans really

>>128103402
even picasso admitted that he was basically bullshitting. he drew quick sketches to pay for bar tabs. i have been in a, i don't know, dream-like, sleep-deprived, perhaps dehydrated state where i was half asleep but conscious, and "hallucinating" things which you could draw straight onto a canvas and it would look like art, with zero effort of my own but merely observing my hallucinations. anyone with a reasonably capable brain could put in the same amount of effort as mahler and get similar quality results, it's just that these things have been historically gatekept so that you would have to come from a rich family or impress someone like mozart at an audition but some poor kid from the other side of the world wouldn't have a chance to be heard by mozart. with modern music there's also a lot of gatekeeping even though normies like to tell themselves that you can record a hit record in an album it's not actually like that, even billie eilish has been exposed as an industry plant, even justice showed a picture of their first studio setup and they had thousands of dollars of equipment that most babby tier anons would never even know that they should buy.

https://www.reddit.com/r/interesting/comments/1khd4vk/pablo_picasso_draws_a_facebird_thing/

>>128103402
even picasso admitted that he was basically bullshitting. he drew quick sketches to pay for bar tabs. i have been in a, i don't know, dream-like, sleep-deprived, perhaps dehydrated state where i was half asleep but conscious, and "hallucinating" things which you could draw straight onto a canvas and it would look like art, with zero effort of my own but merely observing my hallucinations. anyone with a reasonably capable brain could put in the same amount of effort as mahler and get similar quality results, it's just that these things have been historically gatekept so that you would have to come from a rich family or impress someone like mozart at an audition but some poor kid from the other side of the world wouldn't have a chance to be heard by mozart. with modern music there's also a lot of gatekeeping even though normies like to tell themselves that anyone can record a hit record in their bedroom it's not actually like that, even billie eilish has been exposed as an industry plant, even justice showed a picture of their first studio setup and they had thousands of dollars of equipment that most babby tier anons would never even know that they should buy.

https://www.reddit.com/r/interesting/comments/1khd4vk/pablo_picasso_draws_a_facebird_thing/

>>128111967
typical brainrotted boomer. you live in a dumbed down world where you have categorized mahler as a genius like some cringe celebrity worshipper that makes you no better than a taylor swift fangirl and you're missing out on lots of other music.

>>128112012
seethe

>>128111907
Anon, you're too smart to seriously be comparing Picasso's bar tab sketches to his serious art. As for the rest of your post, I got no idea what you're saying. Mahler was an industry plant?

>>128111967
>>128112012
I would ban you if I could

>>128112026
idk, these things are complicated. people disagree on what music even is. mahler has some dramatic music but is that what i even want to listen to and what about movie scores and whatnot that came after him. someone would have to be quite privileged to have the best teachers and dedicate his life to composing and he still might not have fortune and fame thrown at him like mahler got because the expectations are different now than during mahler's time. is mahler going to be held in the same regard as bach, mozart, beethoven 500 years from now, i doubt it.

>>128112189
>is mahler going to be held in the same regard as bach, mozart, beethoven 500 years from now, i doubt it.
If Schoenberg is the James Joyce of classical music, Mahler is the Proust. I'm sure he will be. Let's agree to disagree then.

For tonight's Bach Well-Tempered Clavier, we listen to Jill Crossland's.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HQOFGC3kdo&list=OLAK5uy_mM1mDXcqi8EdFKtgA-gPsOFQNGuPlh9Ds&index=23

>typical brainrotted boomer. you live in a dumbed down world where you have categorized mahler as a genius like some cringe celebrity worshipper that makes you no better than a taylor swift fangirl and you're missing out on lots of other music.
>seethe
>I would ban you if I could

>>128112252
>Schoenberg is the James Joyce of classical music

now playing

start of Beethoven: String Quartet No. 1 in F Major, Op. 18 No. 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9g8UROp713M&list=OLAK5uy_klYv0boLc538CakT8MhkBkt8t3oMlGI3w&index=2

start of Beethoven: String Quartet No. 2 in G Major, Op. 18 No. 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yw3mR6OoYcI&list=OLAK5uy_klYv0boLc538CakT8MhkBkt8t3oMlGI3w&index=6

start of Beethoven: String Quartet No. 3 in D Major, Op. 18 No. 3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bH0Lmwym7U8&list=OLAK5uy_klYv0boLc538CakT8MhkBkt8t3oMlGI3w&index=9

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_klYv0boLc538CakT8MhkBkt8t3oMlGI3w

>The third and final instalment in their award-winning series, the Calidore Quartet return with a three-disc release of Beethoven Early Quartets.

One can never have too many cycles of Beethoven's string quartets.

>>128112501
>>128112026
>>128111907
Mahler is pretentious garbage and an insult to classical music, but that sprawling wall of text, struggling to land a single coherent point epitomizes midwit drivel. topping it off with a Reddit link? it's too perfect, Then you reply to your own garbage post, staging a fake argument with yourself in a pathetic bid to draw attention to your awful drivel. And here's this cuck (likely you as well) >>128112026 fawning with "you're too smart" laughable, no, he's not smart in the slightest. Anyone with an IQ above room temperature can spot the shallow, midwit ploy: "hurr durr, I got an AI to vomit up a wall of text to impress the retards on this shitty Indian turd collecting forum" fuck off retard(s)

>>128112711
tl;dr

>>128112715
thanks

>>128112711
>if I insult everyone I demonstrate my superiority word-vomit
yawn

>>128112744
how else am I supposed to protect my fragile self-importance

>>128112744
everyone meaning just you?

>>128112772
whoa calm down tiger go easy on him

>>128112744
>deflection
Your "yawn" is just cope for getting dragged, it's not superiority when the target's a steaming pile of pseudo-intellectual shit like that AI-slop post. Keep seething, champ.

>>128112791
>getting dragged
I didn't even make that post!

>>128112791
>cope seethe cope seethe
how fascinating, tell me more

seethe

>>128109805
What's so great about her?

c-can we get back to classical music pls. no more vitriol, no more hate

>>128112951
that's my whore; there are many like her, but that one is mine

>>128112982
Fair. I feel the same way about my sister.

>>128112996
hot

>>128112954
Mahler
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-q4ty0Stis

It's time (1981)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPy8QoCK_oI&list=OLAK5uy_meLBGOX9UBGW-6AvhpCRHgjMxuQ33L0Pc&index=16

>Gould’s digital 1981 version is equally fascinating and, like his 1955 mono recording, belongs in any record collection. The approach is different from the earlier version, marked by an almost ideological consistency of rhythm from the first note to the last. This results in a highly uniform listening experience, though it again introduces some peculiar tempo choices. Gould does choose to repeat certain variations when he feels he has something new to express the second time. His interpretation of Bach remains enigmatic—for better or worse—and his characteristic vocalizations can be distracting during the performance. Gould recorded the piece over a short period and spent several months editing it in the studio. The final result is captivating, continuing to spark controversy and demanding to be heard.

>>128113024
Always a good night for Mahler's 6th :)

>>128113138
>mmmMMHWAAAMWWWMMMhhhhhhrrreeeeeeee
such genius

>>128113138
It's strange seeing a GV last only 51 minutes. I'm so used to modern recordings where it's at minimum ~70 minutes up to about 80. Makes me wonder why the shift. Was it the LP, the recording medium? idk

>>128113177
Maybe the engineers jus wanted to get it over with as quickly as possible. I know I gould. I mean would.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEtVpaCBBjQ&list=RDnEtVpaCBBjQ&start_radio=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FPGF4HCKWg&list=RD7FPGF4HCKWg&start_radio=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZ9dXLmRlpo&list=RDOZ9dXLmRlpo&start_radio=1

more of Gould's Bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jb_zaAbxQHM&list=OLAK5uy_mPbty31654xLaVxCzaRaww9AWX_1QfcUk&index=78

>>128113490
We're good

>>128113566
I haven't been able to find a recording of Bach's Six Keyboard Partitas I've found fully satisfying, so I'm desperate enough to finally try Gould's, which Jed Distler has as one of his reference recordings next to Hewitt's and possibly Craig Sheppard's. You got a different favorite? I'm all ears.

>>128113448
Love it.

>>128106512
>>128106545
>Praeambulum
O_O

>>128106545
Based, Music was a mistake after 1750, but Debussy fixed it

1190-1750
1874-1945

All day every day my fellow melanin acquaintance

>>128113845
huh, didn't realize that's what that meant until now

>>128113857
huh, didn't realise it was possible not to know

I like Mahler's symphonies because it's like you get a free tone poem with each movement

>>128114015
That's that sense of scale. What would be the best moment in most symphonies, Mahler has several in each of his.

>>128114015
That's the worst part of him, it goes 10-20 minutes longer than it should

>>128112951
She's a Mozartian.

>>128114038
Yeah, that's what sets them apart from other glorious and massive symphonies like Bruckner's: His (Bruckner's) are huge, to be sure, but proportional and rounded up to the tried-and-true romantic symphonic formula. Mahler's are just four to six nice little tone poems. It's like having made a career out of producing one Ma Vlast after another.
>>128114051
Just curious, how old are you?

>>128114052
no she's salierian, dumbass, have you even read pushkin, GOD

>>128114051
oh no more good music oh nooooo

popped 2 benadryl, put on bruckner's 8th, and ideally i'll be asleep sometime before the end. g'night

>>128114061
>It's like having made a career out of producing one Ma Vlast after another.
No wonder I love both.

>>128114286
try 2 or 3 more. And vodka, just in case

>>128114299
Turns out sprawling, large-as-life, brobdingnagian tonal landscaping and narrative (even or perhaps particularly when not programatic) music is good music, what can I say

popped 2 20mg Oxycodones drank half a bottle of scotch, just put on Scriabin's Le Poème de l'extase, i'll update if i survive.

>>128114356
>brobdingnagian
o_o

>>128114386
hope you have some kind of tolerance, in which case enjoy. if not... good luck :S

Chœur de gnomes et de sylphes

People act like the first half of Bruckner's 8th is equivalent to the second half of his 7th in quality. It's not. Sure, the second half of the 8th might be a 10/10, but the first half is still like a 9. The 7th, however, has a first half 10/10 and a second half like 6-7/10. They aren't really comparable.

>>128114397
hey man Gulliver's Travels is literally one of the most widely read books of all time

>>128114427
They do? Seems suspiciously specific

October is here. Any pieces of classical music that make you think of spiders?

>>128114483
same answer as last year: any tarantella
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKuSzAaz4M4

Any pieces of classical music that make you think of Scorpions?

>>128114566
Something Orientalist. Franck Les Djinns.

>>128114483
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiTek_adqkc&list=RDMiTek_adqkc&start_radio=1

>>128114566
strangely enough
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVpl-RNzdE4
>>128114578
>Something Orientalist
so like
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95TVQkyR0zk

what pieces of classical music make you think of Tortoises?

>>128114598
https://youtu.be/uaBVBop-10U

>>128114598
so stately
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HYwowlc9tk

>>128114598
i was about to post Bruckner, in fact, he kind of looks like one too.

Any pieces of classical music that make you think of opossums?

>>128114680
Something by Ives maybe.

>>128114680
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wa4NAhX5wqU
>>128114687
are you suggesting opposums are ugly or unpleasant

>>128114699
No, I like Ives and he feels like he has scrappy opossum energy.

>>128114707
I feel like he has big old poisoned dog looking for his master so as to not die alone energy

>>128114427
The first half of 7th is the best thing I've listened to from Bruckner, so I don't know.
I still struggle getting into 4,8, and the rest.

Just so we're clear:

Symphonies, Rêverie, Sonatas & Vers La Flamme: Ashkenazy
Piano Concerto: Postnikova+Rozhdestvensky
Op 54: Urban Agnas+Leif Segerstam
Op 60: Argerich+Abbado
Symphonic Allegro: Moscow Philharmonic+Golovschin
2 Piano Fantaisie: Ponti+Leonardi
Scherzo & Andante for string orchestra: Hamburg Strings+Preyss-Bato
Everything else piano solo: Dmitri Alexeev

what about this thing?

>>128114744
Sweetie you forgot the Lettberg again. It's time to get back to the disciplinary chamber.

>>128114734
>The first half of 7th is the best thing I've listened to from Bruckner, so I don't know.
It's the best music anyone's heard from anyone.

And don't worry, you'll get there, took me a while too before I even understood what the hell was going on in the pieces, much less starting to enjoy it. For a while I thought it was just loud, aimless waves.

now playing

start of Prokofiev: Piano Concerto No. 2 in G Minor, Op. 16
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2O_IpK-Zksc&list=OLAK5uy_krP3X6qbTl_JXIl6BSXDKw-BOHgOkWzj0&index=2

start of Prokofiev: Piano Concerto No. 3 in C Major, Op. 26
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d382sqRttt4&list=OLAK5uy_krP3X6qbTl_JXIl6BSXDKw-BOHgOkWzj0&index=6

start of Prokofiev: Piano Sonata No. 7 in B-Flat Major, Op. 83
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxnlH7Y8Nr0&list=OLAK5uy_krP3X6qbTl_JXIl6BSXDKw-BOHgOkWzj0&index=8

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_krP3X6qbTl_JXIl6BSXDKw-BOHgOkWzj0

>Proclaimed "a phenomenon" by the Los Angeles Times and "one of the best pianists of his generation" by the Philadelphia Inquirer, Stewart Goodyear has carved out a formidable international reputation as both concert pianist and composer, with an impressive catalogue of recorded repertoire to date

I even saw the lights on the Goodyear blimp,
And it read "Prokofiev's a pimp!"

>>128114745
I would like to touch it

>>128114745
https://youtu.be/ci8uNw-LzSE

>>128114745
what breed of cat is that?

>>128114839
Low sodium diet kind

favorite recording of Rach's Isle Of The Dead?

>>128114859
Ashkenazy

>>128114859
Ashkenazy or pic

>>128114859
Reiner/CSO

>>128111907
>anyone with a reasonably capable brain could put in the same amount of effort as mahler and get similar quality results

anyone with a reasonably capable brain could put in the same amount of effort as Bach and get similar quality results
-J.S. Bach himself

This doesn't dispute the fact that Mahler indeed put much needed effort, and achieved something great. One could argue, the effort and motivation put into learning *is* the genius, or at least the part of it. There is actually evidence supporting this, intelligent people are more likely to have intellectual pursuit, not all of them, since personality traits and the environment we grow up and live in also factor in, but there is a tendency.

So no, very few people are capable of achieving what Mahler, or any other composer for that matter, achieved. Even if they do on paper, in practice is what actually matters.
>it's just that these things have been historically gatekept so that you would have to come from a rich family or impress someone like mozart at an audition but some poor kid from the other side of the world wouldn't have a chance
This is only partially true. Not everybody could impress Cortot, but those who did became his students. To claim that anyone *can put as much effort and time* is already a huge leap, to claim anyone can impress the masters is a blatant lie. Also, as shocking and deeply unethical as it might sound, intelligence is overwhemingly genetic, and people born in rich families are more likely to be intelligent, and more likely to reach their phenotypic maximum of intelligence due to the environment. So this argument is not a 'gotcha' you thought it was. Unless you're being dogmatic narcissist and reject reality, and prefer to live in your own post-modernist bubble where truth does not matter.
>>128112711
>struggling to land a single coherent point epitomizes midwit drivel.
Funny, your post sounds more like midwit drivel than his. Schizophrenic too.

>>128114875
>Funny, your post sounds more like midwit drivel than his. Schizophrenic too.
nta but don't you think he has a point about the reddshit link? kind of embarrassing.

>>128114890
The Picaso parallel was a total disaster so I didn't even click the link, so I'm not going to comment on that.

>>128114744
>no Sofronitsky
>no Richter
>not even Horowitz
Your opinion is worthless.

>>128115138
Most of that list is completely arbitrary and/or terribly misinformed. He has no idea what's he talking about.

Where does this boards focus on Scriabin come from? Most classical musicians I know don’t really give a shit about him.

>>128115188
>Most classical musicians I know are normies
Now tell us something new

>>128115188
Scriabi's Diner

>>128106260
you summoned me?

>>128115851
sharps and flats in the same chord? this freak needs to be locked up!

>>128115866
I'm not locked in here with you. you're locked in here with me.

>>128115188
go back, normgroid.

>>128115151
Agreed.

now playing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJSvA8oP7rw

>>128115188
Most classical musicians are retarded robots with no personality of their own who just play whatever gets shoved down their throats in schools. Scriabin is one of those composers who has a small but dedicated and passionate fanbase, but it usually pops up on the internet. I've never seen anyone give a shit about guys like Zelenka or Telemann either, but they're great composers too.

>>128115937
>I've never seen anyone give a shit about guys like Zelenka or Telemann either
In real life* obviously

>>128115953
I mentioned my interest in Reger to a composition teacher and it was as if I had done the secret masonic handshake.

>>128115188
>>128115937
>>128115979
I studied music at college and literally nobody gave a shit about Scriabin apart from two teachers. With the first, it was the only time in three years that we listened to a piece in its entirety (Poem of Ecstasy), which is odd. The other showed us Prometheus: Poem of Fire and White Mass Sonata and called the latter "a really fine piece of music."
But both were really into modern, contemporary, avant-garde, performative arts junk. I think Scriabin was one of those composers who was a bridge to that kind of stuff for them eventually, so they cherish him now and show his music to classes to slowly get people interested in contemporary music. I don't think it works, people are either interested in tonal music or contemporary junk before they get there.
Meanwhile at the academy and conservatory, people were playing Chopin and jazz.

>>128116047
>White Mass Sonata and called the latter "a really fine piece of music."
Based. 7th sonata is a masterpiece.
And I'm not too much into modern, let alone contemporary music. Apart from post-romantic Schoenberg, Bartok and composers alike, I have no interest in modernism (serial composers specifically). Early Scriabin is something any Chopin, Rachmaninoff or Prokofiev connoisseur will enjoy, e.g. Fantasy in B minor, the famous etude op.8 no.12 or 4th sonata is pure late romantic brilliance. People love these pieces and they are a part of standard repertoire. Hell, even Horowitz performed them often, what are you smoking. His late works require a certain mindset to enjoy, but they are remarkably good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ClDFmFmr0k

>>128116494
Yeah, for me Scriabin did something that only the greatest composers achieved: started off in, and mastered, a recognizable style and then gradually developed a completely distinctive and personal musical language. That alone already makes him first class.
In his early period he wrote Chopinesque, conventionally attractive and beautiful Romantic music that sometimes sounds almost Impressionist, in his middle period the influences of Wagner and Liszt start taking over, and by the end he's doing his own concentrated thing.
He went through one of the most unique evolutions in music history, and his catalogue is stylistically more varied than that of most composers. Schoenberg is similar in this regard, but his was way more deconstructive. Scriabin always kept an expressive impulse which is why I believe even his most radical works are Romantic at heart.

>>128116744
that applies to all composers i.e. you start off learning how to emulate various styles before finding your own voice.

What is your favorite recording of die zauberflote?

>>128116870
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tvYSDDHoks

>>128114386
I fell asleep like two minutes after the 8th ended, it was glorious

>>128116990
whoops, meant to quote >>128114286

hope you're alright anon >>128114386

>>128114286
>>128114386
>>128116990
thank you med sisters

note to self: you do NOT have to start the Well-Tempered Clavier from the beginning every time you want to listen it -- instead, try picking a spot in the middle, listen to a handful, go listen to something else, then return later. Better way to enjoy it, and Bach would have approved

>>128117115
Obviously, WTC is just compilation of works, not one single work. I do this with goldberg variations too, even though it's one single work.

>>128117206
>I do this with goldberg variations too, even though it's one single work.
That one is trickier because the argument can be made (for the autist inside all of us) that you need to hear the base theme aka opening aria before hearing the variations, but yeah, it's a long enough work where starting from anywhere should be fine. I should do that more often with that one too. The amount of times I tapped out and never even got to hear the 25th variation on a recording because I started from the beginning and tapped out too soon...

This may just be a fleeting thought, and I may end up regretting it and changing my mind later, but sometimes, and this is one of those times, I feel like the classical pieces in all of the repertoire which resonate with me most are...

Prokofiev's piano sonatas.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGRWUiO37s4

They capture the emotional complexity, almost schizophrenia of our age very well.

>>128116870
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_4PwM63RY0&list=OLAK5uy_nvUKg96lPuhgLOFsk_6L2J5gPEHRPvmrE&index=2

>>128117259
Sometimes I feel that while listening to his 3rd concerto, especially that last movement, and all other movements. And sometimes 2nd concerto, the cadenza is imho greatest ever composed. I'm not as familiar with 8th sonata as others (especially 6,7). Listening now.

>>128117347
His 8th is his apex in the form, imo

>>128117347
If you're in the mood, you should sample >>128114792
, it's pretty great, I've always liked Litton's Prokofiev, and Goodyear is Goodyear

>>128117387
Alrighty thanks

>>128117387
>>128117422
Apparently I've already listened to 2nd already. Just relistened to the 1st movement, and I didn't really like it. Piano seems too mechanical, lacks rubato, sometimes it's rushed, and orchestra isn't really doing what it should be doing, instruments aren't well balanced and cadenza is pretty weak.

>>128117591
Ah fair enough. Thanks for giving it a try, that's all I can ask!

>>128116870
Klemperer and Böhm (DG)

>>128114792
at the end of the review of this recording on theclassicalsource, these are their reference recordings:
>Recommended Comparisons
>Piano Concerto No. 2: Wang | Trifonov | Rana | Ashkenazy
>Piano Concerto No. 3: Argerich | Ashkenazy | Lang Lang | Bavouzet
>Piano Sonata No. 7: Osborne | Bronfman | Ashkenazy | Melnikov

I've heard a couple but gonna have to check them all out too

>>128111907
My dad was once dehydrated where he he couldn't take on water properly or something, and he started seeing a giant lobster watching him when he was in bed. But whenever anyone came in the room it would scuttle away-just out of sight, but he could see it's little lobster facing peering out at him from the cupboard.

Random question but is there any Mozart piano sonata cycle that isn't a fortepiano recording that doesn't have such piercing high ends and is a bit more balanced? That is always a big issue whenever I try to listen to a set on a modern concert grand., the top end feels really

now playing

start of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 30 in E Major, Op. 109
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8MJpwfBjkg&list=OLAK5uy_m5Trrh9m8D2Q4_bHulZiHgvT3q90rqDnY&index=2

start of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 31 in A-Flat Major, Op. 110
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlEOE07m9HY&list=OLAK5uy_m5Trrh9m8D2Q4_bHulZiHgvT3q90rqDnY&index=5

start of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 32 in C Minor, Op. 111
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hwGJv49jGw&list=OLAK5uy_m5Trrh9m8D2Q4_bHulZiHgvT3q90rqDnY&index=7

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_m5Trrh9m8D2Q4_bHulZiHgvT3q90rqDnY

I've had nothing but positive experiences with Tharaud's recordings, and I've no doubt this will live up to his usual stellar quality.

>>128117773
>the top end feels really
forgot to delete that part of the post.

>>128115230
>>128115905
>classical musicians are normies
I spent every day of my childhood practicing and studying classical. Summers belonged to music, not myself or friends. High school was online to create more time to focus on classical. At 8 I performed at my father’s funeral and dedicated “performances” in the practice room to him for years afterwards. The stimulants I was given to help me focus made me anti-social and malnourished. Every decision made up to the age of 25 centered music and in doing so disregarded me as a person. I wasn’t even close to being the weird kid at conservatory. Anyone who thinks classical musicians are normies are so far removed from reality that their opinions aren’t worth anything.
>>128115937
The first sentence here is a sweeping generalization but mostly correct, and it’s easy to see why given the singularly focused childhoods classical musicians tend to have.

>>128117115
Note: The Preludes are only suggestions. You can actually play whatever you like there. Only the Fugues are fixed

>>128114386
Rest In Power

>>128117773
Which modern cycles have you tried? Perhaps Uchida, Fazil Say, Mao Fujita, Yeol Eum Son, Arrau, Barenboim, or Schiff? And then Hewitt has been coming out with recordings of them recently too. Some samples, all the first movement of No. 15, K.533/494 for easy comparison:

Schiff
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMyfqfKkcFw&list=OLAK5uy_mMwj-mwDF3WgLxIJ7WvA7yA60XhBGlkoE&index=22

Uchida
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbvfAFfDCrw&list=OLAK5uy_ln2j7plQceUCXcofGImI2Wff9XZCSL4eo&index=53

Fazil Say
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3IbO73dUkQ&list=OLAK5uy_mcFA6ifiqdlOhtt3tOGVHSMVEvXHcdnbA&index=25

Arrau
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBblckTicV8&list=OLAK5uy_nokUNYWdl0OmE9EQMRkR340NZbnpSZzTo&index=4

Yeol Eum Son
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saX2RINVkT8&list=OLAK5uy_nIkSkWpO08_eS6Kr9u3-N_fui45zcKdFc&index=43

Mao Fujita
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xezDgZotJk&list=OLAK5uy_liXCjCLHSdV8I0DjABBn4oPWHfno_uG5o&index=43

Hewitt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oq_Qmgw1IaI&list=OLAK5uy_m27j5lZUQm8mWQYygEa34KSCIscCrlPDQ&index=5

Barenboim
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_vyWF9cgjc&list=OLAK5uy_l8u_h_B3vKloqFpGcnYdn_Q8b1dFjYIs0&index=44

Damn, this actually took some time and effort lol. Hopefully it ends up helping you. At least one of these -- and surely more -- ends up suiting your needs. I love a couple of them myself but don't wanna color your expectations any which way so give them a sample. Enjoy!

>>128114792
Ernst Stavro Blofeld Plays Prokofiev

>>128117857
>Newly signed on with naïve, the Korean pianist Yeol Eum Son immerses herself in the limitless whimsical imagination of Mozart's sonatas, and with this complete collection takes us on a voyage in a land of contrasts. Yeol Eum Son has always been drawn to Mozart's style, in her heart and in her fingers, and maintains a special relationship with his music. She likes to translate from this language, which she considers her mother tongue, the incredible ability to express different worlds, atmospheres and feeling. "His music," she says, "speaks of both sunshine and eternal night, extremes of heat and cold, elegance and farce, Lolita and Madonna."

;o

"Lolita and Madonna", huh? I don't know about that for Mozart, but I sure like the sound of that and this quote.

>>128115851
I actually meant Scriabin, kid

>>128117857
>>128117773
o wait, fug, there's one more fantastic cycle I forgot to include -- hard as that may be to believe -- sorry

Würtz
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vf2DYGpel8g&list=OLAK5uy_k5h62bJQALghvO_52ZJPAhX7tG6Cta6qg&index=43

and now I feel like listening to Mozart too.

>>128117857
I've never gotten into different recordings of Mozart because unless they are bad, they all sound pretty much the same.

Which set?

>>128117927
I can understand that. The differences certainly aren't as dramatic as, say, separate performances of the same Bach or Beethoven piece.

>>128117959
Perahia is pretty good.

wtf I never knew Mozart's Piano Concerto No. 21 had a name

>>128117974
That's the one I was eyeing, thanks. I'll give it a try. I looked up Jed Distler's reference cycles for the piano concertos, and he has Perahia, Schiff, and Buchbinder, so I added the Perahia and Buchbinder ones. Should be good!

>>128117975
I did it: It's called Mozart's Piano Concerto No 21

>>128117990
oh u~

Who is the Kraken Spiced Rum of Klassical?

>>128117857
Thanks, how the heck did you know that I was intending to listen to sonata no. 15 though O_o
>>128117927
Definitely depends on the performer.
>>128117975
It's not something Mozart named it. I believe it was just famously used in a movie that went by that name from the 60s.

>>128118016
Zemlinsky's Die Seejungfrau (The Mermaid)

>>128118027
Mozart's Piano Concerto No 21 starring Gary Oldman and Colin Farrell

>>128118027
>Thanks, how the heck did you know that I was intending to listen to sonata no. 15 though O_o

You're welcome, happy to help, lemme know if one or more of those satisfies you.

And Maho told me. Nah, I wanted to pick one of the later, more substantive sonatas, with an opening movement consisting of a longer runtime for better comparison, that's all, got lucky :p

>>128117959
i like Ashkenazy's cycle

>>128117959
For me, it's this one.

>>128118064
ty

>>128118091
ooo I saw Brendel's name mentioned in some reviews for the piano concertos but didn't look it up. Thanks, added.

I only listen to music made before 1750

I only listen to music made in Scriabi's Diner

>>128116805
This applies to *great* composers, not just composers, and even then, not necessarily. In any case, the keyword in my post was "mastered." He didn't just emulate; he was already a great Romantic composer almost from the start, and then built an entirely new idiom out of it. Most composers either stay within one language or never reach that level of mastery of the predominant style they began with in the first place.

>>128118206
Not a fan of late Telemann? Or do you believe in the whole "le Baroque died with le Bach's death" meme?

>>128118206
I only listen to music between 1750 and 1950.

I only listen to music made after 1960. Can't stand the hiss.

After Bach and before Ives

>>128116870
>>128117773
>>128118027
maho more like my whore

>>128118830
>from Bach to Ives

Basically, everything relevant.

>>128118886
Not counting Bach though cause he's boring

There are 4 types of classical listeners:

>1. listens to only baroque
>thinks cultural decline is a linear trend
>2. listens to only 20th and 21st century
>thinks cultural flourishing is a linear trend
Both are products of flawed, inaccurate linear thinking. Ones that only a midwit would espouse. Just enough IQ to notice a linear pattern, not enough to understand more nuanced models.
>3. knows the best music is inbetween
Actual high IQ.
>4. only likes music outside the middle period
Actual low IQ/troll/doesn't exist.

Since the low IQ now have popular music at their disposal, this last type is quite rare. The midwit types still persist to some degree.

>>128118985
no one read your post

>>128118985
5. presumably stoned shitposting-listeners who respond with the first lazy joke that pops into their immature mind to every other post and most likely don't even listen to classical themselves

Brain damaged

>>128118985
Don't forget the Medieval/Renaissance listeners.

>>128119056
That goes into the first category, "only baroque" listeners implies baroque and before.

How can any of you find the WTC relaxing? Fugues are so demanding on the ears and the brain. A Zillion of them in sequence is very tiring.

>>128119135
were just that cool

who's the earliest and the most modern composer you listen to regularly?
my earliest is Josquin and most modern is Tavener (not to be confused with Taverner the renaissance composer)

>>128119135
Fugues are just a contrapuntal ritornello, its not that deep

>>128119135
I don't think anyone finds them relaxing, they are indeed demanding if you're actually listening and not just fucking around with music in the background.

>>128119135
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quoW0Dx3kPM
relaxing enough

>>128119166
>earliest
Bach
>most modern
Shostakovich
But I listen to them semi-regularly.

>>128119135
>>128119178
Finding the right recording which plays them in a relaxing way.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBBFDCsKp_c&list=OLAK5uy_mM1mDXcqi8EdFKtgA-gPsOFQNGuPlh9Ds&index=28

>>128119166
Monteverdi, and really any great madrigal composer; I'm a sucker for madrigals
As for most "modern", I'll confess to like some of the Darmstadt fellows and some semi-related figures like that, but I can't bring myself to consider them "composers" in the usual sense of the word. I think of them more as pop musicians if I'm being honest. I'll say, then, as far as proper composers the most contempo I'll go is probably Messiaen.

>>128115138
>>128115151
>>128115924

>>128119167
>r/I am very smart so I don't find them complex
>>128119178
>You need to hecking actively listen!
>>128119222
>You just need to listen to 900 different recordings

>>128119266
You got me.

>>128119135
>Fugues are so demanding on the ears and the brain.
I feel that way about most music.

>>128119315
>>You need to hecking actively listen!
Well, yeah. Otherwise you're no different from pop music cattle. If you don't actively engage with fugues and follow subjects and their development, you're just listening to background noise.

>>128119180
On the organ it's even more demanding.
>>128119222
This performance is great, not relaxing, but engaging.

terrible fugal noises.

>>128119372
>music is meant to be a struggle that takes 110% of your conscious mind at all times
The idea is a contemporary one and no one in history has conceived of music in this way. Ironically, it's an idea fostered and promoted by the weak minded.

All I have is Weill and Eisler. Most often listen to the Dagmar Krause versions. what else can I add to that?

>>128119540
cyanide

>>128119538
>paying attention to the works you listen to is somehow being weak minded

>>128119551
what do you mean by that

You know what isn't relaxing? Beethoven's piano sonatas.

Is vinyl a meme? Should I get a vinyl player or is a regular surround sound system good enough?

>>128119572
>I am automatically right and correct if I reduce your statement to a distorted, dumbed down caricature

>>128119585
>Is vinyl a meme?
No, it's a type of polymer

Someone please help me. I am stuck in this labyrinth and can't find a way out. He has taken my eyes from me. It is so suffocating to be enveloped in this darkness all alone. All because of THIS FUCKING MUSIC. I am tired of it, but can't fucking stop listening to it. Why can't I just stop. Someone just fucking kill me already. I don't want to live in this world anymore.

>>128119587
That's what you did when you quoted >>128119372

>>128119538
>no one in history has conceived of music in this way.
Proof?
>>128119587
No, he has a point. It is exactly what you said. I originally claimed you should follow the subjects (the "hooks", "tunes") you misinterpreted it as something else, and now you're accusing anon of misinterpreting your misinterpretation. LOL

>>128119580
No. 9 and other early ones are pretty relaxing.

Why was the Vagner meme deleted

>>128119585
The only way to know for sure is to hear one yourself and compare it to digital.

>>128119616
>you did
that's what who what
>>128119640
LOL!

>>128119675
Anon has a scherzo breakdown episode

>>128119640
Also I'm not accusing anyone of misinterpreting, I'm stating that they're being disingenuous. Dictionaries don't bite, check one out sometime.
>Proof?
Lack of recording technology to use sitting down at home having fuckall else to do is a good way to start if you're confident you can reason your way to all that implies.

>>128119690
suppose I should've included this then, my bad

Brothers! Brothers and sisters!

>>128119695
>I'm not accusing anyone of misinterpreting,
Yes you are:
>"...if I reduce your statement to a distorted, dumbed down caricature"
a.k.a. you assumed he was misinterpreting your words, when he was just reiterating what you said, revealing its silly nature.
Meanwhile you did the same here >>128119538 to quote:
>"music is meant to be a struggle that takes 110% of your conscious mind at all times"
When no one has said this. Music is not supposed to be a struggle, it should be entertaining. And in order to be entertaining, it must make sense.
>Lack of recording technology to use sitting down at home having fuckall else to do is a good way to start if you're confident you can reason your way to all that implies.
Lack of recording technology implies the opposite. Listeners had to fully engage with the music with zero distractions in order to understand its quality.

>>128119738
>Listeners had to fully engage with the music with zero distractions in order to understand its quality.
Proof?

>>128119709
Yes, you lack reading comprehension apparently.

>>128119738
it should be entertaining =/= you must concentrate on it with undivided attention and from an intellectual, analytical perspective otherwise you're just using it as background noise
>>128119372
>you're no different from pop music cattle.
>don't actively engage with fugues and follow subjects and their development, you're just listening to background noise.
contempo myth

>>128119743
>Listeners had to fully engage with the music with zero distractions in order to understand its quality.
That was an implication from a statement you made.

>>128119729
I don't know you

>>128119765
>it should be entertaining =/= you must concentrate on it with undivided attention and from an intellectual, analytical perspective otherwise you're just using it as background noise
Again, a strawman. Following structure and paying attention to subjects and recognizing them is not nearly as daunting as analytical perspective, which was never even mentioned in this discussion.
>contempo myth
Cattle cope.

>>128119772
>>128119790
I see, you're just not engaged in this exchange. Understandable, really. Sad that you'd choose a world where your statement is "correct", instead of one where everyone gets to enjoy music in equally valid terms, but that's ego-stroking for ya.

Hey people! Sisters! Brothers and sisters! Come on now!

>>128119818
I don't know you

>>128119816
What???
You don't have to take every brain fart on this website seriously. Calm your tits

>>128119839
This whole debacle started because a pair of fucks have been taking music and how you're meant to experience it too seriously, and now one of those fucks has the gall to ask someone else not to take things so seriously. Consider suicide.

>>128119863
Go see a psychiatrist, scherzo.

>>128119830
Whether you know someone or not does not preclude them from being your brother or sister, sister

Great music distinguishes itself by the fact that the more you put in, the more you get back. If you listen with full attention, you will notice all the details, harmonic and melodic developments etc. and the music will draw you ever deeper into its soundscape. However, to be worth such dedicated listening, great music must possess a certain surface appeal; if you "merely" put it on in the background, it should be pleasing and intriguing enough that it makes you want to give it that attention.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJubJoak5Co&list=RDPJubJoak5Co&start_radio=1

>>128119894
>meemster out of his depth appeals to buzzwords
this is your brain in le heckin stressed out active listening contempo memes. I don't think I'll be engaging in this pointless exchange anymore

>>128119930
Is psychiatrist a buzzword?

now playing

start of JS Bach: Unaccompanied Cello Suite No. 4 in E-Flat Major, BWV 1010
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtBetqOlH3s&list=OLAK5uy_nor5OdTQp-MWxcWyssdeLxPmEFiXg1w1g&index=20

start of JS Bach: Unaccompanied Cello Suite No. 5 in C Minor, BWV 1011
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnP_JQ4zSnY&list=OLAK5uy_nor5OdTQp-MWxcWyssdeLxPmEFiXg1w1g&index=26

start of JS Bach: Unaccompanied Cello Suite No. 6 in D Major, BWV 1012
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nICz7YBu3KM&list=OLAK5uy_nor5OdTQp-MWxcWyssdeLxPmEFiXg1w1g&index=31

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nor5OdTQp-MWxcWyssdeLxPmEFiXg1w1g

>>128119901
I don't know you
>>128119921
not sure what this has to do with /classical/. maybe try >>>/mu/ instead?

>>128119947
>Inspired by Bach
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>>128119908
Exactly. As Dave says, composer has an obligation to make you interested in listening to their music. In order to enjoy the music at its fullest, yes you have to pay close attention to it. Alternatively you can put it in background and pay some attention to it, perhaps to get back to it later with fuller attention. Of course you can do both, and that's what the modern technology allows us to do. But without close listening, you're missing out on a whole lot of things.

>>128119921
Speaking of the japanese, where's the name of that famous japanese 20th century composer? Also, is the new /classical/ exclusive to discuss european composers?

>This thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing

>>128119967
>what's the name
>20th century japanese composer

Fix'd.

>>128119954
>The first thing you should know, if you are coming to this without knowing what it is, this is a studio recording of the J. S. Bach's Six Suites for Unaccompanied Cello. You might not know this from the strange subtitle on the cover "Inspired by Bach". In point of fact, what was "Inspired by Bach" were six short films, made by various director/choreographers, and that subtitle refers to the films, not the recording.

>>128119956
>As Dave says--

>>128119967
>new /classical/ exclusive to discuss european composers
New?

haha you guys are so funny

>>128120030
It has no Petzold.

japonism, not orientalism

>>128119950
>Has no response so he just autistically repeats what he just said even though he knows it doesn't make sense, because he thinks if he just keeps repeating the same phrase and the other person stops responding-he 'wins'

>>128119967
Yamato?

>>128120032
I miss the times when I thought this was AI and not an actual thing the degenerate did on youtube

>>128120109
No. He wasn't an OST composer. He composed chamber music, probably concertos too.

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