Thread 128158950

Schubert edition
https://youtu.be/apOrf8n3b1U

This thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.

>How do I get into classical?
This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:
https://rentry.org/classicalgen

Previous: >>128140856

maho more like my whore
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRyftGuoyj8

Second for Mozart

https://youtu.be/kaydX6oQG_M

>>128158979
I appreciate the running gag of renaming this image every time you post it.

Les Troyens

>>128159008
Thanks, it's not that hard (unlike my dick when inside my whore's holes)

>>128158979
>>128158987
not sure what these cartoons have to do with classical?

>>128159050
exactly

>>128159050
Maho is the queen of /mu/

>>128159050
I just post her because she canonically likes Mozart and directly compares herself to Salieri, so I thought itd be funny.

>>128159113
>funny
You post her because you wish you were her and take this very seriously

>>128159100
no, she is my whore

>>128159113
>Mozart
Kurisu is Mozart, Maho is Salieri. According to Maho at least.

Struggled to find a Colin Davis Symphonie fantastique I liked despite his generally great Berlioz catalogue, but the Concertgebouw recording is really great.

>>128159460
yes that is what has been established thank you for repeating it

>>128159113
>>128159460
not sure what these cartoons have to do with classical?

>>128159476
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Oiw3zmYYLw

>>128159476
exactly

>>128159460
She compares herself to Salieri for that reason but she is literally a Mozartian who uses the theme from K.331 1st movement as a password. I don't think Kurisu even mentions classical. The classical-related device is entirely Maho's. Anyway, the climax of S;G0 involves Okabe telling her 'You're not Salieri, you're Mozart' so the whole point of the comparison is her character development.

But then, who's Mayuri? Why are we leaving her out? I would say.... Schubert?? Coincidentally, this is a Schubert edition.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGTSuxWMS3E
>>128159498
Yeah but she also says "I am Salieri after all" at the end, no? That's my point.

Who tf is Rei of classical and why is it Chopin?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5bKJCeInYw

>>128159670
Surely a more ambiguous and 'low affect' composer would be more suitable for Rei.

welcome to /a/ where we discuss taiwanese puppetry and not music not at all

>>128159690
Rei literally saved the world. Chopin did the same, remember?

Einaudi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXiw-oN8dZU&list=PL9rRqI6iklCUVDR_NOas-5ev1-lmngznB&index=18

>>128159559
Mayuri would be a Tchaikovsky listener

>>128158950 (OP)
Those glasses piss me off.

>>128158832
Alexewicz is going to win it.

what's your fave anime of the year, /a/nons?

>>128160150
He does have a sort of Chud like face

>>128159932
Makes sense!
>>128160215
We're not that kind of weebs, I think.

>>128160215
Nokotan

>>128160329
That's just "geman face preset n#3" a.k.a. "schwein". Looks good on kindly old men but sadly makes for a terrible youth

>>128160564
That was last year

>>128160772
Well nothing then I guess

>>128159134
>You post her because you wish you were her and take this very seriously
no but i wish my cock was inside of her pussy, and i do take it very seriously.

>>128160837
You can have my sloppy leftovers

Bach

>>128160796
this is basically postmodernism

>>128160872
>violoncello piccolo
... a violin?

>>128160796
>incarcerated for the foreseeable future
lol
>He was initially jailed awaiting trial, but in January 2023, a judge found him mentally unfit to stand trial due to "incurable neurocognitive decline"; he was released to a private residence in November 2023

>>128160887
no, a violoncello piccolo

>>128160796
the commentary is painfully unfunny. Should've just had the performances and left it at that

>>128160887
>>violoncello piccolo
>... a violin?
Dont be silly, that would be a violoncello piccolino

>>128160959
a violoncello piccolino would actually be a viola

>>128160967
That would be a violoncello piccolino ma non troppo.

>>128161000
that's a countertenor viola actually

>>128159113
>thought itd be funny
don't forget cute

>>128160796
reminds me of this, although instead of cringe I think it's very endearing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnMv6-XTROY

>>128161025
I need a shortcut to get to the massive theorbo in a single response

>>128161158
anon that's a plucked instrument!

>>128160796
Put some hiss on it, claim it's by a 19th century dinosaur and /classical/ will gobble it up and cherish it for the rest of its life.

>>128161199
nah, you have to present it as a subversive commentary on conservative academicism and sell it to the plebs as a piece of avant-garde

Scriabin's Diners, Drive-Ins & Dives

/classical/ try to make a funny and non-forced meme challenge (impossible)

>>128161339
The Vagner meme

>>128161347
I remember still the first time I saw the Vagner meme.
It was 73, Brahmscuck was on /classical/ with the trusty Sibelius. I'd never seen Vagner before, and found myself thoroughly entertained. I'd heard Vagner was a tranny meme, and it certainly showed in its humor. I distinctly remember smirking to the memes. But nothing could prepare me for the absolute show of wit that was about to come in first syllable of the word Vagner, when happened the eponymous vag.
Vagina! A single pun, and just after Wagner’s name! I burst out laughing. "Oh Brahmscuck" I remember thinking, barely managing to think straight at all between my chuckles and wheezing. "What a prankster! What a jokester!"
/classical/ attemped to calm me down, some even asking how I'd not known about the famous Vagner by then, popular as it was. Were they not happy one had been lucky enough to live to that point and still feel the pure, unadulterated Brahmscuck genius? Were they jealous? I did not know then, and do not care now.
I tried to calm myself, but kept chuckling all throughout the Vagners in the next post. At the edge of my seat, I waited for the repeat of the Vagner, this time hoping to control myself. Imagine my surprise then, during the next Brahmscuck post, when the Vagner surprised me further by not showing up at all! At that point I feared for my life, such was the lack of oxygen from my guffawling fit.
They only managed to removed me from the thread putting an end to my disruption after I'd already soaked the board in urine.

>>128161375
I read this every time it's posted.

>>128161339
You want memes you go to reddit or discord or something like that. We don't do memes here: We observe pointless rituals and follow insipid protocol with a deep sadness while pretending we're better than that

>>128159468
I know that exact feel

essential recording btw

some excerpts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJMkll-UssI&list=OLAK5uy_lkZjL0OJwMY-NWbt0zkv2qybQKx8dCd68&index=2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipWF1tjC7Xk&list=OLAK5uy_lkZjL0OJwMY-NWbt0zkv2qybQKx8dCd68&index=4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLKD2g1pi5M&list=OLAK5uy_lkZjL0OJwMY-NWbt0zkv2qybQKx8dCd68&index=5
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2Iny3Y0vbg&list=OLAK5uy_lkZjL0OJwMY-NWbt0zkv2qybQKx8dCd68&index=2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGLSracrq1Q&list=OLAK5uy_lkZjL0OJwMY-NWbt0zkv2qybQKx8dCd68&index=37

>>128158832
For me, it's Alexewicz

>>128161643
Bolet is definitely my second go-to for Liszt

>>128161339
:-)~

>>128161826
Kek.

Kremer's Bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEtmrbMc_tg&list=OLAK5uy_nuVoy-zY743WrCCVtf6BAbkGryf0Hm7gk&index=22

This set used to sound way too severe and harsh for me but now it's incredible. Great reminder to revisit certain recordings every now and then.

>>128162001
this isn't classical

Hindemith

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-oX2VKKZtg&list=OLAK5uy_kJFz-bCUwmxXoy2eKJo89yyB8eJfQ41Qg&index=1

>>128162186
>not the Gould recording
Good.

They’re announcing the winner of the Chopin Competition:
https://www.youtube.com/live/L8MUfExtTqI?si=xRMzZ_TZVLRuH9BS

>>128162208
fucking finally

>>128162208
They do it per piece, that's dope

Beethoven

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7b5JaLWafM&list=OLAK5uy_lu-2-5TUAFCHw51OpVnF8HXZC2QBDWOoA&index=5

>>128162208
I guess I shouldn't be surprised Eric Lu won, I've already enjoyed some of his recordings. I'll keep an even keener eye on him for the future.

>Today I will remind them

BAB
A
B

>DAILY REMINDER
>DAILY REMINDER

IAA
A
A

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>average BABIAA listener

We will disarm and subdue every 18th-19th century heretic that would put on a Mozart Piano concerto or Chopin Nocturne

We are the Mockers of Mozart
We put a chokehold on classicism

We are the Cuckolders of Chopin
We are the Rapists of Romantics

We are the murderers of Mahler
We strike fear in every pretentious and neurotic writer of 1 hour symphonies

>Listening to Bach
>not listening to Mozart
>Listening to Marais
>Not listening to Haydn
>Listening to Ravel
>not listening to Mahler
>listening to Stravinsky
>not listening to Schoenberg or Shostakovich

Is there a better feeling in this world?

>Your Romanticism
>My Foot
>Your Classicism
>My Fist

I will crush the Mozart enjoyers, and liberate the Chopin listeners with Vivaldi, Josquin, and Perotin

>>128162534
>Is there a better feeling in this world?
Scriabi's Diner

>>128162208
I wonder if Chopin ever entered a Chopin competition

>Bach
>Machaut
>Ives
>Marais
>Buxtehude
>Stravinsky
>Reich
>Bartok

No Mozart, No Brahms, No Haydn, No Mahler
No Autistic Teutonic spirit shall oppress or taint the Gallic, Latin, and Slavic soul

>>128162550
Scriabi's deli ain't that bad either

Mozart gives me the ick,

As does Brahms, Mahler, early-middle Beethoven, Bruckner, Chopin, Schumann, Strauss II, Hindemith, Schoenberg, Reger, Berg, Tchaikovsky, Boulez, Stockhausen, Haydn, Bruch, Salieri, Shostakovich, Clementi, and Prokofiev

That is all

>when they listen to Mozart and Haydn concertos and completely neglect the Sun Kings court
>When they listen to vocal works by Verdi, Rossini or Puccini, but not Palestrina or the Franco-Flemish School
>When they don't listen to Marin Marais more frequently than Beethoven or Brahms
>No Perotin or Medieval Music

>>128162565
He did, and won second place

>If it ain't BAROQUE, don't fix it
>I dumped her because she BAROQUED my heart
>I had to go to the doctor because I BAROQUED my leg in a gondola accident
>I would go to the concerto with you, but I'm BAROQUE
>The Baroque BAROQUED the renaissance mold

Remember not all Romantics are bad but all bad composers do tend be Romantic, except for Classical, all Classical composers are shit
Below is a list of acceptable Romantics:

>Field
>Chabrier
>Franck
>Tarrega
>Wagner*
>Any of the Russian 5
>Grieg
>Alkan
>Late Beethoven

>>128162534
>Is there a better feeling in this world?
Blumpkin

NO MOZART
NO CHOPIN
NO MAHLER
ALL ROMANTICS SCRAM!

ALL CLASSICISTS EAT SHIT AND DIE
THIS THREAD IS FOR MARIN MARAIS!

SONATA FORM SHOULD DIE
ONLY CONCERTO GROSSO FOR I!

HAYDN IS LIKE A ROTTEN WHEAT
WHAT I NEED IS A BACH CELLO SUITE


BACH AND BEFORE, IVES AND AFTER

Perenyi's (2020) Bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUWLU5Q8bk8&list=OLAK5uy_mVvTU5_bcqY7KKR3q_OIVaxEr70yZVJu4&index=1

Mozart

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGtHM-bpGd4&list=OLAK5uy_lM0XOpvS1tJMqKs1G0_6P6U_-JonxsJ2Y&index=3

the world needs a new Vaughan Williams cycle

>>128162186
>>128162200
my personal rec
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Heb2mcvROZ4&list=PLYq_wvEPNrWRdOt4uGGYo8-sUDNcafr4Q

>>128163182
>her face when he listens to Scriabin

>>128163185
>bafflement and vague disgust
sounds about right

>>128163200
I know that's what you've become accustomed to from women but that's not what that expression suggests

>>128162515
This is a nice playlist, Anon. Thank you for sharing. I especially liked this:
https://youtu.be/cxx7Stpx7bU
Music (and art in general) should be beautiful and glorify God.

>>128163246
>Music (and art in general) should... glorify God.
metaphorically (based) or literally (::eyeroll::)?

>>128163216
>yeah I know what women like
anon, I...

>>128163263
don't engage with schizos

now playing

start of Tchaikovsky: Violin Concerto in D Major, Op. 35, TH 59
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igIzxaWksUg&list=OLAK5uy_nfysSQ89n3svWTVNMSa4y75lfzLXqrcLc&index=2

start of Mendelssohn: Violin Concerto in E Minor, Op. 64, MWV O 14
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=watkAgZAQEA&list=OLAK5uy_nfysSQ89n3svWTVNMSa4y75lfzLXqrcLc&index=4

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nfysSQ89n3svWTVNMSa4y75lfzLXqrcLc

>Chen brings a fresh interpretation to these cornerstones of violin repertoire and finds a kindred spirit in conductor Daniel Harding and the Swedish Radio Symphony Orchestra a youthful performance that displays zest and energy. One of the most compelling young violinists today, Ray comments on the repertoire for his new album, "I chose these two concertos because I think I have something fresh to offer."

Hadn't heard of this violinist before but I was specifically in the mood for a pairing of these concertos, so hopefully it's good.

>>128163336
Myanmar's n#1 quilting chatroom

it's time (for Barenboim's first DG Beethoven piano sonatas cycle)

1, Op. 2, No. 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVdX8P6G-hs&list=OLAK5uy_mjl_6sr5wHicSLQphYBf2J0xp1u5jheb0&index=2

2, Op. 2, No. 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKRajmxXV1E&list=OLAK5uy_mjl_6sr5wHicSLQphYBf2J0xp1u5jheb0&index=6

3, Op. 3 No. 3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zixc_DEhvnA&list=OLAK5uy_mjl_6sr5wHicSLQphYBf2J0xp1u5jheb0&index=10

5, Op. 10 No. 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F906DeyNuF4&list=OLAK5uy_mjl_6sr5wHicSLQphYBf2J0xp1u5jheb0&index=14

6, Op. 10 No. 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMJgn7VIu1M&list=OLAK5uy_mjl_6sr5wHicSLQphYBf2J0xp1u5jheb0&index=17

7, Op. 10 No. 3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLdXAFndEog&list=OLAK5uy_mjl_6sr5wHicSLQphYBf2J0xp1u5jheb0&index=20

Reger

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrrPLftmwAw&list=OLAK5uy_m-8eb6vCxO5uflojhVMxWX7MbeC_yM3Eo&index=17

weber

I feel like Marc Andre Hamelin is the most technically competent pianist alive. I can't even think of anyone else who comes close. The sheer amount of repertoire this guy knows, all the complete Chopin-Godowsky etudes, everything from flashy concert pieces to obscure etudes, all played perfectly and always from memory.
He's always playing the pieces that no one else does. Whenever I'm searching for obscure difficult piano pieces, he's 10x more likely to have performed it then any other mainstream concert pianist.
Of course, he also plays beautifully and emotionally, but that's more subjective and murky and imo much harder to quantify or rank.
As far as raw technical abilities, however, it's hard to think of anyone as good as him.

Does anyone else even come close?

>>128161064
This was hilarious, I can't stop laughing.

>>128165912
No

>>128165912
He is the king, and kudos to him using his talent for lesser known repertoire

becoming obsessed with Liszt's Sonata in B minor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UimlbR1ffO4&list=OLAK5uy_kfXsYK6hIl24E0pCt4JUeTG7GZIrpKMtg&index=5

>>128166191
Liszten to Liszt.

Forgive the stupid question: what distinguishes a melody from what's in Bach's music?

>>128166244
Bach's music is full of melodies, perhaps you mean polyphony - multiple melodies playing simultaneously - for which Bach is known and respected. The technique he uses to combine different melodies is called counterpoint

>>128166272
oh, everyone always says Bach has no melodies, and I thought it was a technical thing, and why his music sound so different. nevermind then. thanks

>>128163185
>>128163200
Scriabin is badass male music for men. Females could never understand.

>>128166293
His melodies can sometimes be abstract, rather than lyrical. This can sometimes confuses newbies. Bach's music is nothing but melodies.

>>128166244
>>128166293
A melody in the Classical or Romantic sense is usually memorable, singable and self-contained. In much of Baroque music, and especially in Bach, melodies are short, motivic and woven into polyphonic textures. In general, they're just too intricate, fast or abstract to register as singable tunes. They're constantly shifting and flowing into each other. The effect is clockwork-like because Baroque philosophy often thought about the universe as a rational, ordered mechanism. It's only later in the Classical and Romantic eras that the melody, supported by accompaniment, takes center stage.

>>128166423
>In much of Baroque music, and especially in Bach, melodies are short, motivic and woven into polyphonic textures.
This isn't true at all. As I said, Bach tends to be more abstract, but he can be deeply lyrical and touching as well. Handel, on the other hand, can be more lyrical than most classical/romantic composers. This was an inaccurate description of the baroque era (and JS Bach).

>>128166459
No, it wasn't inaccurate at all. You're right that Bach *can* be lyrical, and many of his chorale melodies are deeply expressive. But the point isn't that Baroque composers were incapable of lyricism; it's that lyricism wasn't the dominant organizing principle of their music the way it later became in the Classical and Romantic eras, or in the way the average modern listener understands "melodicism." Handel is a bit of an outlier: his melodic sense leans far closer to what would later become Classical — clear, singable, emotionally direct lines, but the majority of Baroque music isn't like that. Melody functions as part of a contrapuntal or motivic process, not as a self-contained tune. Even Bach's most lyrical arias are built through imitation, sequential development, and interplay between voices. Please learn to read.

There is a certain... rapid, unerring onslaught to Bach's melodies, at least most of the time, that distinguishes it from later composers for sure.

>>128166459
No, it wasn't inaccurate at all. You're right that Bach *can* be lyrical, and many of his chorale melodies are deeply expressive. But the point isn't that Baroque composers were *incapable* of lyricism; it's that lyricism wasn't the *dominant* organizing principle of their music the way it later became in the Classical and Romantic eras, or in the way the average modern listener understands "melodicism." That's why I said "in much of Baroque music." I didn't describe all of Baroque music like that. Handel is a bit of an outlier because his melodic sense is more clear and emotionally direct, which leans closer to what would later become Classical, but the majority of Baroque music isn't like that. Melody functions as part of a contrapuntal or motivic process, not as a self-contained tune. Even Bach's most lyrical arias are built through imitation, sequential development, and interplay between voices. That's precisely why even people with no musical background immediately sense that something is *different* about Bach's (or Baroque) melodies. Please learn to read.

>>128166505
>it's that lyricism wasn't the dominant organizing principle of their music the way it later became in the Classical and Romantic eras
This is true only for *some* composers and *some* of their works, and is a stupid generalizaiton of the baroque era. If anything, classical-era composers such as CPE Bach, Haydn and Beethoven fit into that description better than baroque composers. I hate these idiotic generalizations that choose to ignore large portion of what contradicts its claims. Handel is not an outlier, he was simply the most succesful.

>>128166520
Except for Wagner.

>>128166559
It's not an "idiotic generalization." It was a simplified explanation meant to answer that anon's question, because they clearly don't understand what's going on in the music. I don't need your autistic nitpicking dissecting every sentence when it obviously wasn't directed at you. It's a perfectly reasonable and accurate description of Baroque music in general terms. OF COURSE there are exceptions, as with any stylistic period, but the dominant compositional mindset was contrapuntal and process-oriented, not melodically driven in the later Classical or Romantic sense. Handel wasn't "typical," he was exceptionally successful BECAUSE he was unusually direct and accessible for his time.
>CPE Bach, Haydn and Beethoven
It's also funny that you mention these composers because CPE Bach literally started as a Baroque composer, and Haydn and Beethoven both studied Bach later in life and consciously incorporated more counterpoint into their music. So yes, obviously they fit that description to some extent, but not in their early works, funnily enough. The majority of Classical period music was built on melody + accompaniment, because the entire aesthetic shift of the mid 18th century was toward SIMPLIFICATION; a reaction to Baroque abstraction and complexity. That's the whole point. What you've said doesn't contradict my argument at all; it actually reinforces it, thanks.

>>128166621
>I don't need your autistic nitpicking dissecting every sentence when it obviously wasn't directed at you.
Too bad. It's not pleasant to read your seething either. Virtually every Baroque composer had written just as much lyrical (vocal/choral) as abstract music. But I'll leave it at that.

>>128166539
>many of his chorale melodies are deeply expressive
he didn't write any chorale melodies himself

debussy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5-vtf5DZwQ&list=OLAK5uy_lgBDbRjKUy2YRdQ2FG6LSl6534KZ9OuJ4&index=8

>>128166986
Anon you're supposed to censor b*ssy

>>128158950 (OP)
Beethoven 9th solved music. Period.

>>128167007
Mahler 9th*

>Debussy
>French impressionist composer who produced ill-sounding, structure-lacking, melody-absent underdeveloped pieces of insufficient crap.
>The impressionist movement single-handedly destroyed classical music.
Debussy bros... Our response?

>>128167004
Courtesy of the W*ener Philharmonic

>>128167019
I say when you look at the totality of the arts, and see similar advancements were being made everywhere, it's fair to say Debussy did a wonderful job of the same in his medium.

a four movement Bruckner's 9th, performed by Kahchun Wong/Halle Orchestra

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbeXW69syYg&list=OLAK5uy_ko6IfRI0XR65BeQZcumA-_bFcNYIeOvfs&index=1

I'm usually very skeptical of Asian conductors for Bruckner but what the hell, haven't listened to the four movement version in forever.

>>128167098
>I'm usually very skeptical of Asian conductors for Bruckner
Why? Are you a racist?

>>128167106
I don't even trust Russian conductors for Bruckner.

>>128167120
Xenophobia comes with racism.

I don't trust any conductor with Bruckner, period. I read the score and hear the music in my head. It's the only way to make sure his genius isn't tainted by so-called interpretation.

>>128167182
I'm Asian.

>>128167194
So? You think only Europeans can be xenophobic? What an asshole.

>>128167213
:p

>>128167194
Mahlerkun confirmed Asian? Is that how you recognized one of your own?

>>128167236
I've said I'm part white and part Asian before. Don't worry, I have a white mom and Asian dad, so I'm not mentally fucked up like those hapas with the opposite.

>Is that how you recognized one of your own?
Among other things, but yeah that's part of it :D

>>128167245
>Among other things
Curious to hear.

>>128167298
No because then I'll be revealed for the autist I am, remembering all of these little details of an online stranger! Besides, it's been so long, I've forgotten most of it...

>>128167317
We can already tell you're an autist. You're not a special boy here. I too remember absurd amounts of oddly specific details.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AubJS7oWaWo

>>128167339
lol

i love this fucker like you wouldn't believe

thoughts on his (in)famous D.960 recording?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lncNcNtGkJY

yay/nay?

>>128167098
I don't care for this completion, I much prefer Letocart's.

>>128167449
Which recording(s) has that?

>>128167377
Not bad. Not my personal favorite though, just because of the tempo.
>>128167395
>ghoul
No.

The three best sets for newcomers to Beethoven's piano sonatas because all three are top-tier in quality, and you get a full spectrum of interpretation -- with Brendel, you get classical restraint to reveal the genius of Beethoven's form; with Gulda, you get the fiery and joyful Beethoven; and with Barenboim, you get the tragic Beethoven. You start with these three, fall in love, and then you go from there (probably to the philosopher-pianist Arrau or the poet-pianist Kempff).

or maybe I'm jsut really tired and speaking out my ass and thought this would be a good idea when it isn't, idk I'm listening to Barenboim's DG set right now and I'm just so ecstatic how good it is, and it got me thinking about how good Brendel's set is, so I decided to make thisw

>>128167449
You're replying to a deeply internalized racist post.

>>128167505
Show me a good Bruckner recording with an Asian conductor.

>>128167395
>>128167460
Surprising (or maybe not), Jed Distler has some of Gould's Beethoven has *the* reference recording of the piece. Maybe it's worth trying after all.

>>128167512
Would one example suffice? You are making a general, dogmatic assumption about Asians as if they are inherently incapable of conducting Bruckner.

>>128167529
I don't see what's so outrageous to claim maybe you have to be European/American to understand and properly perform Bruckner's music...? Is the premise so untenable?

hey big retard here in case you couldn't tell here's a frog so anyways do you guys just listen to covers of these old guys music? or do people make original "classical" music. Are their people who take those classical instruments and like make new songs? how's this work?

>>128167540
Yes, it seems arbitrary, and based on racist ideas rather than logic and reason.

>>128167564
It's not necessarily racial, it's cultural, but we don't yet live in a time where culture and race are so easily isolated. Besides, almost every case I've seen of an Asian conductor of Bruckner's music has been with an Asian orchestra (eg China, Japan), further enforcing a fundamental culture divide.

>>128167557
There are still classical composers today, yeah, though the kind of music that gets made and published and performed sides nothing like the popular, older classical music that's regularly performed, the works by the aforementioned "old guys."

>>128167557
We mostly listen to what popfags call "covers", yes. Fortunately, there's enough music to "cover" for a lifetime, or more accurately, interpret.
>Are their people who take those classical instruments and like make new songs
To craft a piece of music, one needs to have deep understanding of the musical language and hundreds of years of tradition. A random performing musician (even a classical trained, for 10+ years), has no such skills or talent. Although some of them can improvise, especially the organists, their compositional skills are low, or non-existent. They can easily compose something like what you are used to hearing, popular music, but composing art music takes more effort and skills.

>>128167593
>even a classical trained,
classically*

>>128167593
>their compositional skills are low, or non-existent
because they are not trained to compose. when a little kids enters his local music school, all he gets taught is technique. any latent compositional talent never gets discovered.

>>128167628
True. Learning an instrument is solely a means to keep your child busy and buttress their academic resume for college acceptance and scholarships. No one wants their child to actually become a composer.

>>128167628
Yeah, that's what I meant.

i used to listen to the Kreutzer Sonata every time i took a shower. i take much quicker showers now

>>128167395
AI prompt: make Beethoven unlistenable.

>>128167732
hehe

Oistrakh doesn't have a set of Bach's Sonatas and Partitas? what a hack

>>128162622
but then who won first place?

>>128166293
who's everyone

>>128167929
Ho Lee Fuk.

>>128168000
what about Sum Ting Wong?

>>128167500
barenboim's playing IS a pretty tragic experience yeah

>>128167578
>It's not necessarily racial, it's cultural
Disingenuous and asinine

>>128167500
Borenboim
Borendel

>>128167098
What do you think about Ozawa's Bruckner?

What's the point of this instrument? This thing's entire repertoire is just:
>Transcriptions of piano/violin pieces
>Piece a composer begrudgingly made for Segovia once and which everyone now plays it because it's all they have
>Miniatures by literal whos
It's not even particularly beloved in Spain. Most Spanish composers who cared about guitar at all composed 1-2 pieces and then never bothered with the instrument again. And not even guitarists like composers like Sor and Giuliani all that much.

>>128168026
race is a social construct

>>128168432
Popular music mainly. Berlioz apparently played guitar, and composed on guitar, but didn't write anything for the instrument.
>>128168455
Evidently not. It's a purely biological construct, same as subspecies, measured objectively by the genetic distance.

Music before Wagner was too restricted to be called music. Wagner the Hero who rode a beautiful white stud through the fields of valhalla uncaged the musical bird to its freedom, Wagner who released music from its mathematical chains and let it soar high in dramatical clouds ushered a new dawn in age of human history. We should all kill ourselves. Like seriously. Why are we all here? Just fucking jump off a building or something already.

"Excellence was already attained".

https://youtu.be/wXh5JprKqiU?list=RDwXh5JprKqiU

>>128168455
'Race' in the sense that human beings are divided bewteen 3-4 races (blacks, whites, negroes, etc) is retarded and an outdated concept and basically only exists as a social construct yeah.
But race is still very much a biological reality in the sense that you can draw conclusions from genetic data if you take actual groups of people like Polyneseans, the Japanese, the Chinese Han, Germanics etc. It's just that some academics purposefully obfuscate this and insist on grouping together people which don't actually belong to the same race, for political reasons. Because if you do that you can then point at the data and say: "see? this is useless junk"

>>128168488
There are 7-8 distinct races and a bunch of mutt pseudo races.

>>128168481
no. human subspecies no longer exist. the only current human species is Homo sapiens sapiens, others such as Homo sapiens neanderthalensis (or Neanderthals) are dead, and current human physical traits (skin tone, facial shape etc.) vary gradually over the globe, not in discrete stable clusters (which is a requirement for subspecies). besides, Homo sapiens sapiens have low genetic divergence as the sum of global human populations differ by about 0.1% of their DNA (by comparison, most animal subspecies differ by 1 to 5%.)
tl;dr: modern humans belong to one single genetically continuous species without any subspecies
>>128168488
the word you are looking for is cline

>All this talk about race again
I think any race that appreciates classical music is cool. Some of my favorite conductors are jews.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dep_9C80GwQ

>>128168613
Well, I don't. But I can separate art from race.

>>128167193
I don’t trust Bruckner

>>128168488
>>128168455
>muh social construct
kek

>>128168524
>not in discrete stable clusters (which is a requirement for subspecies).
This is totally false.
>Homo sapiens sapiens have low genetic divergence as the sum of global human populations differ by about 0.1% of their DNA (by comparison, most animal subspecies differ by 1 to 5%.)
False.
Genetic distance between subspecies can be as low as 0.01%-1% (e.g. wolves lupus lupus vs lupus arctos, bengal vs siberian tiger, chimpanzee subspecies). Genetic distance between races can get as large as 0.1019, but mostly range from 0.05-0.09. Races can be established from morphology with 75% accuracy, and this morphology precisely parallels genetic clusters, which differ in consistent ways in important and inter-correlated genotypic frequencies. Human species exhibits the divisions into subspecies so clearly that the phenomenon is empirical and irrefutable.

>>128167593
There’s tons of art music though it’s just written in a style you don’t like.

>>128167540
It’s just notes bro it’s not likes there’s some secret sauce that only Europeans can understand. Maybe if it were a play or something there’s be some ground possibly although even then they’d still be Asians who understood The Western Mind .I mean Bruckner tells you exactly how he wants his music played in terms musicians understand.

This is like some weird shit your old racist granny would say

>>128168514
Argonian
Altmer
Bosmer
Khajit
Dunmer
Nord
Redguard
Breton

>>128168432
uncultured and needs to listen to paganini

>>128168613
>some of my best friends are black
>>128168857
>This is like some weird shit your old racist granny would say
Gee I fucking wonder why

actually now that i've had my coffee, Kent Nagano has some fine Bruckner. and so does Alan Gilbert

>>128168779
>This is totally false.
...no, it is not. It is a literal requirement for being labeled a subspecies. without that, you have a cline (which is the case for the human species).

>>128168960
Maybe because you have the brain of a granny?

>>128167377
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DB_lKSNwZZM

now playing

start of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 1 in F Minor, Op. 2 No. 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDHrR28rkWw&list=OLAK5uy_lowJ7A-_OwhKXbvLXumHGiYFPcPSHR-xo&index=2

start of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 2 in A Major, Op. 2 No. 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9bWdAY1-lk&list=OLAK5uy_lowJ7A-_OwhKXbvLXumHGiYFPcPSHR-xo&index=6

start of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 4 in E-Flat Major, Op. 7 "Grande Sonate"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NVL_IvNGwI&list=OLAK5uy_lowJ7A-_OwhKXbvLXumHGiYFPcPSHR-xo&index=1

start of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 3 in C Major, Op. 2 No. 3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLRsw-v0Kyg&list=OLAK5uy_lowJ7A-_OwhKXbvLXumHGiYFPcPSHR-xo&index=14

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lowJ7A-_OwhKXbvLXumHGiYFPcPSHR-xo

After a lifetime of neglect toward Beethoven's earlier piano sonatas (approx. the first 16 or so), I find myself lately utterly ensorcelled by them.

>>128169604
ironic...

>>128169653
I prefer to think of it as redemption

what do you think about carribean music like curacao mazurkas

>>128169684
No I mean the cover that's what he's saying

>>128169450
You're context-illiterate

>>128169653
>>128169729
haha le star wars, such epic xD updooted!!

>>128170305
this but unironically

>>128170426
Based

>>128167193
Which score though? There are a fucking ton of revisions and editions and we’re not even sure what Bruckners original scores looked like.

>>128170305
Very good give me surprised and pleased

>>128169208
I didn't quote the full statement to which I was responding to, which claimed:
>current human physical traits (skin tone, facial shape etc.) vary gradually over the globe, not in discrete stable clusters
This is false. As I already explained, genetic clusters are as discrete as any other subspecies clusters in animal kingdom, again, for reasons I already explained.

>>128170609
>As I already explained, genetic clusters
racial* genetic clusters.

look fellas the only thing that matters is that there are people out there who don't look like me and I think that's really bad

Anyone else been unable to access hyperion's and earsense's websites lately?

>>128170715
AWS us-east-1 region is/was all fucked, probably that. Not sure if it’s still ongoing but tons of services were affected.

>>128167540
>European/American
>American
ah yes the americans the whitest of all humanity surely

>>128170759
On my end they just keep showing 400 and 403 error respectively

>>128169604
I got his biography Mein Kempff

>>128170775
Well yeah lol there's 212 million white people there. That's like kind of a lot no?

>>128170808
Italians aren't white

>>128170808
Do you even know what passes for "white" in america? lol

>>128170829
>>128170830
Apparently not. I guess 212 miliion isn't a lot? You learn something new everyday

>>128170838
A brown gypsy may be considered white in America. You really have no idea.

>>128170909
You should contact those census people and tell them they've got it wrong.

>>128171000
I will, mutt

There are plenty of ethnicities, but only two races: African and Asian. If you don't know which one you are, chances are you're asian. Europeans are asian. Samoans and Inuits are asian. Pretty much everyone on earth is asian except africans.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0HZ-NlLh2g

>>128171157
lol buddy thinks he's turning japanese

>>128171157
i knew i was asian

>>128171308
I really think so

I've been playing piano professionally for 4 years now and only recently was asked to provide proof of insurance

>>128171647
insurance for what

>>128171678
for having a piano dropped on your head and when you get back up all your teeth are replaced by piano keys

>>128171696
surely you'd want insurance *in case of* that and not *for* that, haha unless

>>128171678
Piano insurance

favorite recording of....?

>>128172010
yeah

>>128171678
Performing. In case some shit happens

>>128171157
africans are asians from the constant egyptian breeding with the middle east so actually everyone is asian

>>128172307
this is several kinds of retarded, anon

In the end, everything is ultimately all about Wagner. He is the prophet. The one who will guide us to salvation. This planet should turn into a giant place of worship, where everyone comes together dressed in togas to recite and celebrate "Wagner" around a bonfire. The world as Wagner envisioned, a world with merriment and joy. All people regardless of color, culture and race united in one spirit.

opening line of a review,
>William Kapell (1922-1953) is regarded by many as the all-time greatest American pianist.

...who?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zi5onHLdV1I

>>128169186
I can only listen to Asian musicians and conductors if they're HIP. They're capable of doing HIP, but I refuse to believe they can do anything else.

>>128169492
kek never seen that before

more cum posers like Scriabin??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???

Paganini essential works?

>>128173908
he only has the one

>>128173908
3 string quartets, 15 guitar quartets, 5 violin concertos, terzettos opp 66 & 68, centone di sonate op 64

>>128174563
add Le Couvent Du Mont St. Bernard, the concertino "To Mr. Henry", Maestosa Sonata Sentimentale, Sonata Per La Grand Viola, and La Primavera to that

>>128173908
The caprices

thoughts?

>>128175021
none

Chopin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27L5BUGJ5Bw&list=PLc8NM9abK55GVG4UWPCA1RBVeEJJg1pb5&index=8

>>128160215
City - The Animation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3paDoTbQ-4

isn't metal just modern classical with rock instruments?

>>128176128
essential Foulds works?

>>128176251
There's only so little of him that's been conserved, and not all of it recorded, but if you really want to trim it down:
Cello Concerto In G Major Op 17
Mirage Op 20
Music-Pictures Group III Op 33
Music Pictures Group II - Aquarelles For String Quartet Op 32
A World Requiem Op 60
aelic Dream-Song Op 68
Music-Pictures Group VI - Gaelic Melodies Op 81
Lyra Celtica - Concerto For Voice & Orchestra Op 50
Saint Joan Suite Op 82
The Florida Spiritual Op 71
Gandharva-Music Op 49
April - England Op 48 (both the orchestral and the piano solo versions are great)
Music-Pictures Group VII - Landscapes Op 13
Dynamic Triptych Op 88
Three Mantras From Avatara Op 61
Cello Sonata Op 6
Essays In The Modes Op 78
Quartetto Intimo Op 89
Hellas Op 45
Chinese Suite Op 95
Pasquinades Symphoniques Op 98
Quartetto Geniale Op 97 (just the one movement survives but it's worth listening to)

>>128176449
>aelic Dream-Song Op 68
Gaelic*

>>128176240
isn't your mouth just a modern cum receptable with tongue?

why? what on earth? what is this place? I was just trying to have a decent conversation about music, good god, some rude weirdo replies to me with the most disgusting, crude remark about my mouth! I’m stunned, just stunned. Is this what the internet is now? A bunch of rude kids tossing around vile insults like it’s nothing? Back when I was young, we discussed music with some manners, not this foul-mouthed garbage. I’m honestly shocked. What’s next, dragging Mozart through the mud with that kind of talk? Unbelievable!

>>128176240
I wish it were but most metal has pretty conservative harmonic structure, melodic themes, and form. It doesn’t resemble modern classical or any other periods of classical music much. Rock instruments are usually extremely dynamically compressed as well and classical isn’t. Listening to classical in a car is a pain in the ass because the road sounds drown out the softer bits unless you crank the volume to levels that make the louder parts unlistenably loud.

All of metal, even the progressive/avant-garde and what-have-you, is pretty much structured like any other song and to a greater or lesser extent has the same harmonic and timbric language as any other kind of pop music. There is absolutely nothing "classical" about it. Even those quasi-minimalist OST-tier crapposers like Richter or Guðnadóttir have a better claim to working within the parameters of western academic music, and they most definitely aren't.

>>128176934
>western academic music
Why describe it like this? Technique serves expression, not the other way around.

>>128177103
Because that's what people wrongly call "classical" is (a term we condescend to for purely practical reasons). Second sentence is a non-sequitur and I'll have nothing to do with it.

What conductor/orchestra of the Missa Solemnis you guys rec me?

>>128177426
which one, there are hundreds

>>128177426
>>128177436
just kidding
Eugen Jochum & Concertgebouw-Orchester Amsterdam

ive started to tune my instrument to A = 415hz

>>128176934
Metal is utter garbage, but there are couple bands I would still listen to, if I didn't have tons of great art music to listen to and discover, and it's this neoclassical/symphonic black metal band, purely out of great melodicism and timbral quality (buzzy, trebly, distorted) I love due to nostalgia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgHmp7ilDKY&list=OLAK5uy_krpp45acoJdbDmlVv7ZR2mnLKoeSA-8ns&index=4
It has some nice counterpoint too. Although I don't waste my time on songs. If I ever have the urge, I'll come back to this.

>>128177362
News to me - in over 20 years of classical lessons and schooling I’ve never heard someone refer to classical as “western academic music.” Or maybe a couple people did and I’ve forgotten, either way the vast majority don’t use that term. My second sentence was alluding to the idea that the term western academic music is rather cold and seems out of place considering proficient composers and performers put emotion before technique.

>>128177480
I (>>128176934) love basically all of metal. As far as subgenres, styles, substyles, crossovers, one-off experimentation: I love all of it.

It's nowhere near close to the music discussed in this general, and by its very nature it will never be. No, being "symphonic" doesn't do shit.

>>128177494
>News to me
We all learn something new everyday. Still not reading the rest.

>>128177468
>when the world goes high I go low
Why? You do period performance?

>>128177426
There are many I like but the very best is Karajan/Berlin. If you end up liking it and are still interested, I'd be happy to recommend others.

>>128176934
what about power metal bands like rhapsody or dragonland? dragonland even incorporates some phrases from composers i think

im not a metalhead by any means, i dont think "composers would be playing metal now" etc as they often repeat. im asking sincerely

>>128177528
she performs while on her period, that's very brave

>>128177498
I used to as well, hell I still have hundreds of GB worth of metal on my harddrive for some reason, until I realized how fucking awful it is. It's total waste of time and embarrassing non-art. Symphonic is not the reason I like that band, neoclassical elements are the main reason.

>>128177509
Feel free to keep larping, no one is stopping you.

>>128177528
i dont perform. im an amateur who enjoys baroque most of all

>>128177540
I specifically didn’t include
>inb4 hah period
I was so hopeful.

>>128177538
Power metal is just NWOBHM/Speed with (depending on whether we're talking 1986 power or 1996 power) a focus on running scales and the vaguest vestige of basic counterpoint. It's still very much structured melodically and harmonically as any other kind of metal, or rock, for that matter.
> dragonland even incorporates some phrases from composers
Kitsch does not a school of composition make (unless you buy into the postmo snake oil)

>>128177547
That’s cool - assuming you’re a string player what strings do you use?

>>128177555
where is your sense of whimsy, anon

>>128177561
i plan on upgrading to gut soon. right now im mixing synthetic and steel

>>128177569
what instrument, while we're on it? Obviously a keyed one, but what is it specifically

>>128177574
cello. do you play any?

>>128177565
Kek, good point

>>128177581
Oh dang, I assumed it was some small keyboard instrument like a spinet.
I tried learning the viola but I was too unconstant and lazy and now it's been 15+ years and no longer have the time/money/means/joie de vivre necessary

>>128177569
>>128177581
Oh shit I’m a cellist. Gut strings are such a bitch to keep in tune, but they sound great. Cool stuff anon - whatchu been playing recently with your low tuning?

>>128177611
>joie de vivre
Man reading that hit kind of hard. I’ve been taking adhd meds for the first time in years as a last ditch effort to get some energy for that creative outlet back.

>>128177611
if you focus hard on learning an instrument (or any skill really) you will regain that joie de vivre imo as you will start to neglect the bad things in life out of necessity. when you are focused playing the mental voices will totally disappear

>>128177686
That's awfully convenient. We're all here surely aware of the catch-22 of the ole "I feel like shit so I don't do X; in order to do X I need to not feel like shit; doing X will make me not feel like shit; in order to do X I need to have already been doing X" cycle of negation. Anyway, I'm not at a place where even if I wanted to I could force myself to do it. Sold that thing a while ago because money is scarce. Can't buy one again because money is even more scarce now than it was when I sold it. Shit situation all around.

It's kinda surprising no one ever makes lo-fi classical, or anything similar. Seems the pursuit of clarity and sound quality only ever goes one direction for this kind of music.

>>128177716
Sorry to hear anon. Truly.

>>128177734
>it's kinda surprising no one makes it harder for the music to be heard
go choke on hisscore from the 1910s, maybe you'll learn something about what the fucking point is

>>128177751
Chill, chill. Maybe not that extreme, but a little bit of color, perhaps? I was thinking more like Richter's WTC.

>>128177749
eyyy what can you do

>>128177763
>Maybe not that extreme
sure, that's what the problem was

>>128177765
Yeah… I get it. Sorry for the cards that were dealt. Hope things get better.

>>128177734
Some looped and potentially slowed 20th century Russian music with added percussion might work. I don’t really know what defines lo-fi.

>>128177832
There's proper lo-fi where instruments are recorded with shit material and not mixed, and "lo-fi" in the youtube sense which just equals "low effort" generic beats mixed lazily.

>>128177861
Hm, by the proper definition I’m not sure how this would work with classical. This just sounds like an old recording of the Budapest quartet or something to me - shit recording technique and hardly mixed or mastered.

>>128177910
It wouldn't. That's the point. And moreso, why would anyone want it to work? Just buy shit earphones and listen to it through a trashcan if you're looking to shit up a perfectly good recording.

Szymanowski edition next or I'm not posting.

>>128177910
that reminds me I got Spohr's quartets by the New Budapest Quartet and it's been a heavenly ride
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5me6KTFRtKU
>>128178014
We've had one already. I should know: I made it.

bump limit

Death and the Maiden is the GOAT quartet. Next comes the 15th, and then Beethoven.

time for a
new
>>128178403
>>128178403
>>128178403
new

>>128167557
You gotta keep in mind that classical music is not about playing music that is old, which is a common misconception I see. The "covers" are of established masterpieces or "classics", hence the name. A modern classical piece would be called "contemporary music" or "contemporary classical" to seperate it from other music made today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_MXHFHf6x8

>>128176240
>>128176589
>>128176934
>>128177480
>>128177498
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkusvvPxA-0

>>128178607
I hate this guy, i hate his face, i hate his voice, i hate his videos, i hate his writing, i hate his attitude, i hate his breathing, i hate his drinking of water, i hate his eating of food, i hate his glasses, i hate his shirt, i hate his computer, i hate his keyboard, i hate his wrinkles

>>128166831
Obviously. It's the way he treated them. It's possible to make melodies unrecognizable, which he could but normally didn't. Anyway, that's neither here nor there.
>>128166795
>But I'll leave it at that
You'll leave it that because I possess far more nuance and knowledge on the subject than you, and you have absolutely no counterargument apart from
>nuh-uh!
I accept your concession.

>>128167557
>their people
who's people?

>>128168743
I said it's not you retard (while getting Hitler dubs no less). You must have some nigger dna mixed in you because you don't know to read

Mozart

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtwpvHnrACM