Thread 128290062

Stenhammar Edition

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRTHNl2hrG8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRTHNl2hrG8&t=748
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRTHNl2hrG8&t=1370
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRTHNl2hrG8&t=1840

This thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.

>How do I get into classical?
This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:
https://rentry.org/classicalgen

Previous: >>128261135

Maler
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6p3NQ1_wvc

I like Stenhammar a lot.

>>128290062 (OP)
I stand with the Stanhammer edition. It's been three Mozart editions in a row.

>>128290396
thank you, anon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRJEUYG3r9Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRJEUYG3r9Y&t=319
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRJEUYG3r9Y&t=775
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRJEUYG3r9Y&t=894

it really sucks to love Mozart and have to see him being forcefully connected to some anime child in the minds of every Anon here because of one guy

>>128289386
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvHF04mN64c

>>128290396
>>128290629
Mozart is fucking trash, listen to Vivaldi, Bach or Stravinsky

what happened to the BABIAA poster?

>>128290688
I listen to Wagner

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry9BMpjv0YQ

>>128290709
Ask and you shall receive

>when its time for the daily reminder

>Today I will remind them

BAB
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>DAILY REMINDER
>DAILY REMINDER

IAA
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>>128290789
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cy3TbREIFzk

>average BABIAA listener

We will disarm and subdue every 18th-19th century heretic that would put on a Mozart Piano concerto or Chopin Nocturne

We are the Mockers of Mozart
We put a chokehold on classicism

We are the Cuckolders of Chopin
We are the Rapists of Romantics

We are the murderers of Mahler
We strike fear in every pretentious and neurotic writer of 1 hour symphonies

>Listening to Bach
>not listening to Mozart
>Listening to Marais
>Not listening to Haydn
>Listening to Ravel
>not listening to Mahler
>listening to Stravinsky
>not listening to Schoenberg or Shostakovich

Is there a better feeling in this world?

>Your Romanticism
>My Foot
>Your Classicism
>My Fist

I will crush the Mozart enjoyers, and liberate the Chopin listeners with Vivaldi, Josquin, and Perotin

>>128290782
>*Wagner
FTFY

IYKYK

>Bach
>Machaut
>Ives
>Marais
>Buxtehude
>Stravinsky
>Reich
>Bartok

No Mozart, No Brahms, No Haydn, No Mahler
No Autistic Teutonic spirit shall oppress or taint the Gallic, Latin, and Slavic soul

>>128290856
>Is there a better feeling in this world?
Scriabi's Diner

>>128290756
>I have gone all through Brahms by now. All I can say of him is that he's a puny little dwarf with a rather narrow chest. Good Lord, if a breath from the lungs of Richard Wagner whistled about his ears he would scarcely be able to keep his feet. But I don't mean to hurt his feelings. You will be astonished when I tell you where I get more completely bogged down than anywhere else--in his so-called 'developments.' It is very seldom he can make anything whatever of his themes, beautiful as they often are. Only Beethoven and Wagner, after all, could that.

Mozart gives me the ick,

As does Brahms, Mahler, early-middle Beethoven, Bruckner, Chopin, Schumann, Strauss II, Hindemith, Schoenberg, Reger, Berg, Tchaikovsky, Boulez, Stockhausen, Haydn, Bruch, Salieri, Shostakovich, Clementi, and Prokofiev

That is all

>>128290917
Scriabi's deli : )

>when they listen to Mozart and Haydn concertos and completely neglect the Sun Kings court
>When they listen to vocal works by Verdi, Rossini or Puccini, but not Palestrina or the Franco-Flemish School
>When they don't listen to Marin Marais more frequently than Beethoven or Brahms
>No Perotin or Medieval Music

>If it ain't BAROQUE, don't fix it
>I dumped her because she BAROQUED my heart
>I had to go to the doctor because I BAROQUED my leg in a gondola accident
>I would go to the concerto with you, but I'm BAROQUE
>The Baroque BAROQUED the renaissance mold

Remember not all Romantics are bad but all bad composers do tend be Romantic, except for Classical, all Classical composers are shit
Below is a list of acceptable Romantics:

>Field
>Chabrier
>Franck
>Tarrega
>Wagner*
>Any of the Russian 5
>Grieg
>Alkan
>Late Beethoven

NO MOZART
NO CHOPIN
NO MAHLER
ALL ROMANTICS SCRAM!

ALL CLASSICISTS EAT SHIT AND DIE
THIS THREAD IS FOR MARIN MARAIS!

SONATA FORM SHOULD DIE
ONLY CONCERTO GROSSO FOR I!

HAYDN IS LIKE A ROTTEN WHEAT
WHAT I NEED IS A BACH CELLO SUITE


BACH AND BEFORE, IVES AND AFTER

>>128290688
I do, I just also listen to Mozart

>>128290885
What does the asterisk stand for?

After the daily reminder we've hit the bump limit what will the next thread be?

>>128291064
about your upcoming funeral hopefully.

Good evening all bachblins and ghoulds, tis the season to be spooky on this all hallows eve

What is /classical/ celebrating with on Halloween to feel spooky?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6kEjwOpM2k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erXG9vnN-GI&list=RDerXG9vnN-GI&start_radio=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wneUNq_Ndbw&list=RDwneUNq_Ndbw&start_radio=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r827MCIXNyE&list=RDr827MCIXNyE&start_radio=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nVmFlSV1ok&list=RD7nVmFlSV1ok&start_radio=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5n7qfRNzS3s&list=RD5n7qfRNzS3s&start_radio=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCEDfZgDPS8&list=RDiCEDfZgDPS8&start_radio=1

>>128291115
nothing scarier than listening to Ghould's playing I say

>>128291115
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlUttl1CEOw

>>128291115
Liszt is supreme

>>128291115
pretty much Liszt and Scriabin nonstop

I've been listening to more of Gould's recordings lately, and am I crazy or is his playing almost jazzlike? It's not very pianistic to me at all. No wonder boomers growing up in the heyday of jazz would find his playing so appealing.

or am I hearing patterns and relations which don't exist?

>>128291558
it's probably because Gould's staccato style of playing emphasizes the rhythmic elements of Bach's music. most other pianists have the habit of blurring everything together when playing polyphonic music and the vitality is lost as a result.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpxwQa9jmZw

Best Bruckner "tunes"?

>>128291930
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpMdr9nBJc0

For me, it's Beethoven's Piano Sonata No. 28, Op. 101
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8c0nlCLiuzA

>>128291930
my favorite is from the scherzo of sym 8 but the best is probably the adagio of sym 7.

George Chadwick - Symphony No. 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLTG9hfa2xo

"Richard Wagner (1813-1883) was a brilliant musician, he's also classical music's most problematic and controversial composer. His 1850 essay entitled Das Judenthum in der Musik (Judaism in Music) was deeply anti-Semitic, as were a variety of his other writings."

>submit a Wagnerian overture to a university so I can get a degree in composition.
>the faculty think I'm a Nazi and decline my application.
>mfw.

>>128292360
sad. poor wagner, poor heidegger, poor riefenstahl

>>128292415
rookie error. you should have written some postmodern minimalist crap instead.

Beethoven and after, Wagner and before.

Get a job.

how to become a /classical/ RYMsister/postmodern hipster?

>>128292454
peak neurotic senpai, do you have depressive episodes that last a week?

>>128291115
Obviously can't forget German Romantic Opera, Freischutz, Vampyr, etc. Did Weber introduce spookiness into music? I think he might have. I don't think 18th century Gothicism ever leaked into music, Romanticism had to come along.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gl5uE47vU8

>>128292426
poor ezra pound. poor arno breker.

>>128292653
the history of Western European art from 500AD to today consists of a constant back and forth battle between Gothicism and Classicism.

>>128292695
Obviously I was referring to the late 18th century literary movement and sensibility known as Gothicism, and not Gothicism as Northern European culture distinct from the Classical, you MORON.

I've listened to Bach's WTC so many times lately I swear it's starting to hurt my ears. But I can't stop
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yemp8Da6VxU&list=OLAK5uy_mV2fKy2RwJhFxR0AoPf50U7lmDs6T78ug&index=16

>>128292855
you need to go cold turkey.

>>128292886
just one more hit and I promise!

>>128292909
don't do it, anon. I had a relative who went mad and had to be put into a mental asylum because he couldn't stop listening to different recordings of the WTC.

if you need further help, please contact the following link: https://bachoholics.org

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0N7XY3Pk-Uw&

>>128292934
I appreciate the link and effort, but fuck it, live fast, die young
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yziY7N5zvTM&list=OLAK5uy_mV2fKy2RwJhFxR0AoPf50U7lmDs6T78ug&index=26

i hope you don't get hooked too

Give me your best Scarlatti on piano. No Pogorelich, please.

>>128292980
Tharaud
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbJ12A7IM14&list=OLAK5uy_lb7z5XLmqQU70o0kyxIZ3ps7LrvVvtLHY&index=4

Lucas Debargue
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnElZzQEpII&list=OLAK5uy_n-fngEzBRWufLHD7IYle_7QbXjcI_wHs4&index=1

These ought to keep you satiated for a while.

debussy >> wagner

>>128293034
your comment = shit

>>128293034
based frenchie

>>128293034
Maybe if Debussy had lived another decade, but as it stands he's a little bit of a disappointment given how much of a genius he was. Wagner found the perfect form for himself and kept improving on it, but Debussy went through that awful middle period and it's like he was constantly experimenting and never really created a magnum opus and there's just so much unevenness.

>The excessive polyphony of Wagner, the chiaroscuro effect of Debussy, the vulgar, impassioned writhing of Massenet are the only things that move or attract the attention of the general public. Yet the clear and consistent music of Saint-Saëns, to which I myself feel most attracted, leaves this same public indifferent. And all that sort of thing gives me a pain in the neck.
— Faure

feels like a Chopin's Nocturnes night
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kECtMxTNL7E&list=OLAK5uy_kNJmYRRrXuNqXhZ80V5QDwu_LZSSByJ7M&index=17

>>128290062 (OP)
>Stenhammar Edition
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRTHNl2hrG8
ffs this just seems naive like he's just faggying it up to entertain simpletons (early 1900s swedes were poorfag farmers). it's not a genius masterpiece.

>>128292454
T H I S
H
I
S

>>128293088
Literal bait: the post

>>128293428
please consider committing suicide.

>>128293034
>>128293088
Chopin, Schubert > Both

>>128293446
you're willing to call just about any composer a genius. maybe it's you who's stupid so they look like geniuses compared to you.

>>128293477
That goes without saying. I mean, is there even a composer that's better than those two? That's a rhetorical question btw. Of course there isn't.

>>128293505
post a vocaroo and a score of something you have composed or fuck off.

>>128290629
Maho is 21 years old tho.

>>128293477
Chopin and Schubert are major pleb taste. Wagner and Debussy are much more esoteric.

>>128293802
>The more people like a composer, the worse he is.

>>128292415
post a vocaroo or it didn't happen.

>>128290688
Contrarianism doesn't make one cool

>>128293802
Well, apparently plebs have much better taste then!

>>128293867
perhaps because today venerates selling the souls of children to the devil that you have decided to assume a little too much about anon. one, that he isn't already cool, and two, that he was attempting to be cool. though his post does persuade me if only a little but not all the way to action to put to defense that of someone i hold in high regard (heir mozart) these opinions could be held with genuinely and it is therefore my opinion that you crossed the line. spewing derogatives just because anon has claimed something of his own, no matter the value of the alleged claim, does not entitle you to dawn upon yourself a complex of superiority. allow me to clarify before some confusion sets in, a judgement passed is a judgement received, and a judge, though anon may be qualified, has nonetheless placed himself in a position over he who is being judged and the particpants who are there to witness. for example, a judge sits atop a throne of sorts, above everyone else; a judge declares things that others are forced to oblige; and, a judge has a wardrobe tinged with symbolic death, that of the state.

>>128293428
he's got nice string quartets too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRJEUYG3r9Y

>>128293928
O_O

Grimaud's Bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSnv2EkqPr4&list=OLAK5uy_ksDv4vTSQ12ZmCmAZ3zdkWpCX69bCTWCM&index=11

>Helene Grimaud presents her first-ever Bach recording! Once again, charismatic Helene Grimaud presents an album with an individual concept. Bach vs. Bach Transcribed brings together original keyboard works by the master with works by Bach arranged (transcribed) for the piano by pianist-composers of later generations: Busoni, Liszt & Rachmaninov. This is the first time that Hélène Grimaud has recorded Bach - a challenge for any musician. The repertoire includes the famous Well-Tempered Clavier II and the Concerto no. 1 in D minor, the latter performed with Grimaud's regular collaborators, the Kammerphilharmonie Bremen. Bach "Transcribed" features the Bach/Busoni version of the Chaconne in D minor, the Violin Partita in E major arranged for piano by Rachmaninov, and Liszt's version of the Prelude and Fugue in A minor. A landmark project in Grimaud's successful career, this recording is bound to be a best-seller.

>"Hélène Grimaud clearly feels the music she performs very deeply . . . Grimaud lacks nothing in power, intensity or technical finesse . . . one encounters a sense of fantasy . . ." -- Classic FM, London, October 2007

Debussy - The Little Nigar

Wagner - Hehe, ihr Nicker!

Wagner in Liszt's daughter's Debussy

The musical architecture of the third and fourth movement of Beethoven's Hammerklavier are insane. Way too complex for me.

>>128291115
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NA1jhDRZ9-o&list=OLAK5uy_liZTEctsmIkxzAONV4q9WQ1U4jFyVuufg&index=5

>tfw 22min hammerklavier adgio
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqO5-KLGs0Y&list=OLAK5uy_mRLcaZ8NG02qttJ1mKkD7iC7zOXbsho08&index=90

>>128295049
what the fuck

>>128295131
>the chad 13 min adagio
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjLgFwmCpFM&list=OLAK5uy_kUMl5RRvdNkphmZurRS0JxKepBhcV2PaM&index=11

Rossini's stabat mater is so absurdly operatic and light that it somehow sticks.

>>128295175
he rises from the dead...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KN9fTppXUhw&list=OLAK5uy_nJtwHvMqctb-fM1DyO09EF0SFvvTKlJ7c&index=12

>/classical/ celebrating normgroid holidays
Uncool.

This is a recording which belongs in every /classical/ regular's library.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziKhVuI0xpY&list=OLAK5uy_lYcjatHBOJ9raY_ysy_miCCz9jWtweHlI&index=29

>Daniil Trifonov returns with an album dedicated to J.S. Bach. He explores the scientific, emotional, and spiritual dimensions of Bach's cosmos, his faith, family, and world. Centered around Bach's mystical masterpiece, The Art of the Fugue, Trifonov's project investigates the man behind the myth - a genius of humility and humor, whose loves, losses, and devotion inspired what Trifonov calls "some of humanity's most emotionally rich and fascinatingly sophisticated expressions in music."

>>128295191
Same thing with Verdi's Requiem.

>>128295688
>trifonov
Pass.

gonna spend the weekend exploring the Boston Six

>The Second New England School or New England Classicists (sometimes specifically the Boston Six) is a name given by music historians to a group of classical-music composers who lived during the late-19th and early-20th centuries in New England, United States. More specifically, they were based in and around Boston, Massachusetts, then an emerging musical center. The Second New England School is viewed by musicologists as pivotal in the development of an American classical idiom that stands apart from its European ancestors.

>The specific "Boston Six" are named as John Knowles Paine (1839–1906), Arthur Foote (1853–1937), George Chadwick (1854–1931), Amy Beach (1867–1944), Edward MacDowell (1861–1908), and Horatio Parker (1863–1919).[4] Other composers associated with the group include Edgar Stillman Kelley (1857–1944), George Whiting (1861–1944), and Arthur Batelle Whiting (1861–1936). These composers were greatly influenced by German Romantic tradition, either through direct study with Germans or by association with German-trained musicians in America. Their works were published by Arthur P. Schmidt, the most important music publisher of that time.[5]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vu50DjAZiMc

>>128295708
fine but then you'll never know the Art of Life

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qO6wtF0cBRM&list=OLAK5uy_lYcjatHBOJ9raY_ysy_miCCz9jWtweHlI&index=45

let's get Romantic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzcyX6q_2po&list=OLAK5uy_nmbnT096AtROME8Rsx4-wPTjbq5hVHS14&index=1

Undoubtedly one of the best ever recordings of Bruckner's 4th

>>128295824
I fucking hate Tintner's Bruckner 8 but how are the other symphonies?

>>128295960
His 3rd, 4th, and 6th are all excellent, even superb. I wouldn't recommend any of the others.

now playing

start of Chopin: 12 Études, Op. 25
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4NCRbtbTeU&list=OLAK5uy_nyyu5j2if59HQUYczBEszwgLSQ1XjN4rM&index=2

start of Chopin: Four Scherzi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtZreCiYW74&list=OLAK5uy_nyyu5j2if59HQUYczBEszwgLSQ1XjN4rM&index=1

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nyyu5j2if59HQUYczBEszwgLSQ1XjN4rM

>"Chopin is reserved, visionary and mysterious," says Beatrice Rana. "There are many layers to his music. It's pleasing to the ear and sincere in it's communication, but the deeper you go, the more you find..." For this album, Rana pairs Chopin's 12 op 25 études with his four scherzi, focusing on two musical genres that the composer, combining intellect and imagination, transformed into something new. "It was Chopin who invented the 'concert study'," explains Rana. "To me, the études seem implicitly connected, joined by a single line of expression, as if they are taking you on a journey. The scherzi are evocative pieces, full of contrasts... They represent three distinct stages of Chopin's life and creativity and it is easy to read stories into them."

>When Beatrice Rana played the op 25 études for her New York recital debut in 2019, the New York Times wrote: "If you can play Chopin's études comfortably, you can probably play anything written for the piano... and the best performances convey their musical riches. In that regard, Beatrice Rana set a new standard... She didn't just surmount the technical challenges; she made the pieces sound as poetic and colorful as anything Chopin ever wrote.

>>128295234
See you on St Swithen’s Day Senpai

>>128295688
Daniel Trifonov and The Plastic Ono Band

>>128295700
That I honestly think is shit. But you're right, I should like it for the same reasons I like Rosinni's. It is just so overplayed in my country that I hate how highly it is regarded.

>>128296191
I don't celebrate such nonsense.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JM1dw6BfPs
I always find it odd when the final movement of a piece has a weaker ending than the previous movements.

Brahms.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRYe6EwWpPQ

>>128298432
I like the final movement of that one.

>>128299453
It's just that the ending kinda of fades away and you're left thinking "that was it? okay I guess it's over now."

>>128290756
>>128290920
what is mahler's opinion of mozart????????

>>128299789
his last words were "Mozart! Mozart!" so take a guess

>>128299991
This is like in bad crime stories where the victim's dying words implicate the culprit.

>>128299789
Who gives a fuck.
>>128299991
>according to Alma
lmfao

>>128300014
Mozart killed Mahler?

>>128300627
He is just like me for real.

>>128300087
yes kid, according to the closest person to him

>>128299789
>‘There are really not more than three perfect German opera composers: Mozart, whose sureness of aim in all that he did is unparalleled, Wagner - and you’ll be surprised at the third!’ ‘Weber?’ I asked. ‘No! The third, in my opinion, is Lortzing. His Zar and Wildschütz reveal him, in text, plot and music, to be the greatest operatic talent next to Mozart and Wagner.’

>>128301201
said Lortzing

>>128301462
Lortzing was long dead by then.

>>128301505
from beyond the grave

More spooky core for all you brahmlins and schoenskellies

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyknBTm_YyM&list=RDYyknBTm_YyM&start_radio=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iVYu5lyX5M&list=RD-iVYu5lyX5M&start_radio=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9LWHEf0VFo&list=RD-9LWHEf0VFo&start_radio=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIz3klPET3o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7rxl5KsPjs&list=RDz7rxl5KsPjs&start_radio=1

>>128302027
>babby's first classical
cute

>>128302037
it fits the mood, don't be such a meanie

>>128291060
IYKYK

>>128301201
Very odd taste. How can someone consider Lortzing a superior talent to Weber?

>>128302037
>It's popular therefore it's bad

>>128293847
since it's Halloween you can have an excerpt:

https://vocaroo.com/1hyaIlllZWk6

Bach

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaYxWhZqdTA&list=OLAK5uy_lJmdswQI9HZyU0TC94L43PqtCiLSUWSpM&index=11

>>128302668
His taste was too basic otherwise so he probably felt he had to throw a quirky choice in there.

watching the NBA on mute while listening to classical :)

idc i like post-romantic slop
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wccnGOo8UL8

That's it, time to bust out the headphones, I can't stand my neighbor's Vietnamese karaoke any longer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6L1zz17lIcE&list=OLAK5uy_lpgWC38LWZZWUi3t81BjEqoZl1AcSWzmM&index=4

>>128302971
kek. based.

now playing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYRh-RIU0S8&t=11

Inject that late romantic chromatic sludge into my veins.

>>128304977
Come get the hard stuff at Scriabi's Diner

>>128304977
I gotchu, senpai.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7-DW9Kt-cU

>>128301057
>closest and the most untrustworthy
FTFY

>>128305100
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooOooooOoOooOoo
SCRIABIN IS NOT CHROMATIC SLUDGE!!!! NOT. NOT. N-NOT CHROMATIC S-S-SLuuUdGEeeee!! THAT'S WHAT THE JEW HURWITZ SAYS I SWEAR!!!! SCRIABIN USES SYNTHETIC SCALES AND MYSTERIOUS MULTI-UNIVERSAL TONALITIES ONLY I CAN C-COMPREHEND!!! NOOOOooOoooOoOoo-

>>128305789
who said chromatic sludge was a bad thing?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QXnJMTLWkg&t=460

>>128302668
it's already odd taste if you think mahler is a top tier genius

>>128305913
Yeah, Mahler is god tier genius bar none

>>128305829
A sad, sad Scriabincel couple days ago.

>>128305913
Mahler completed the symphonic form, of course he's a genius.

>>128306235
>completed the symphonic form
Already achieved by Brahms. >>128299305

>>128306236
>Brahms
Mediocre orchestrator.

now playing

start of Mozart: Piano Sonata No. 8 in A Minor, K. 310
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXY_DiWRRx8&list=OLAK5uy_k5h62bJQALghvO_52ZJPAhX7tG6Cta6qg&index=23

start of Mozart: Piano Sonata No. 9 in D Major, K. 311
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajTK2yjEamE&list=OLAK5uy_k5h62bJQALghvO_52ZJPAhX7tG6Cta6qg&index=26

start of Mozart: Piano Sonata No. 10 in C Major, K. V330
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6S1RCjUpJrg&list=OLAK5uy_k5h62bJQALghvO_52ZJPAhX7tG6Cta6qg&index=29

start of Mozart: Piano Sonata No. 11 in A Major, K. 331
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYSHUK7kOKI&list=OLAK5uy_k5h62bJQALghvO_52ZJPAhX7tG6Cta6qg&index=31

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_k5h62bJQALghvO_52ZJPAhX7tG6Cta6qg

Surely one of the most essential cycles for Mozart's piano sonatas.

>Mahler declares that Brahms shunned so many useful techniques and innovations in orchestration merely out of obstinacy and opposition to Wagner. In his chamber music, such devices are by no means absent, on the contrary, he shows himself a master in their use.

>Later, Mahler added: ‘Brahms is not concerned with breaking all bonds and rising above the grief and life of this earth to soar up into the heights of other, freer and more radiant spheres. However profoundly, however intimately and idiosyncratically he handles his material, he remains imprisoned in this world and this life, and never attains the view from the summit. Therefore, his works can never, and will never, exercise the highest, ultimate influence.’

>>128306310
Just classic foibles of a young upcomer with forward-thinking ideas reacting against the established elder with conservative artistic ideas.

>>128306319
Nah, he's right. Established elder in question is Beethoven, not Brahms.
Brahms should've embraced Schubertian, Chopinian and Lisztian ideals before Wagner did, and he would've had the chance to climb higher than them. But he didn't.

>>128290062 (OP)
What happened to the better classical thread that had better composers?

>>128306310
The Brahms fog filtered him. many such cases.

now playing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NWfc21yuUE

For today's performance of Bach's Well-Tempered Clavier, we listen to Edward Aldwell's recording of Book 1.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwdsmjEmyq0&list=OLAK5uy_kYANdgE0uovXwvr8F9_K8EHo4LXO1mCx4&index=34

>>128306723
get help.

>>128306732
just a few more hits and it'll be out of my system, count on it

>>128306747
that's what they all say. I hate to tell you anon but you'll end up in a padded cell if you keep going down this path.

now playing

start of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 20 in G Major, Op. 49 No. 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QA3kbE3WpFw&list=OLAK5uy_mjl_6sr5wHicSLQphYBf2J0xp1u5jheb0&index=70

start of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 21 In C, Op. 53 -"Waldstein"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYJOOE4sxj0&list=OLAK5uy_mjl_6sr5wHicSLQphYBf2J0xp1u5jheb0&index=72

start of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 22 In F Major, Op. 54
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oe2ROkSfrfU&list=OLAK5uy_mjl_6sr5wHicSLQphYBf2J0xp1u5jheb0&index=75

start of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 23 in F Minor, Op. 57 "Appassionata"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kR1RVBm6Pjo&list=OLAK5uy_mjl_6sr5wHicSLQphYBf2J0xp1u5jheb0&index=77

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mjl_6sr5wHicSLQphYBf2J0xp1u5jheb0

>>128306310
I'd say there's enough craftsmanship to Brahms' work that they are very worthwhile pieces of art. I do agree with Mahler on the metaphysical aspects of his work, but that's mostly a reflection of his personality and belief outside of music.
Still, craftsmanship I find a worthwhile metric in it's own right, it's not like we always judge a fugue by it's emotional characteristics. I still love Brahms

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHWRDYq9Zy0

today's goals: try to finally understand the mystifying, deconstructive book 3 of Liszt's Annees de pelerinage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f86i0U7H0x4

I even saw the lights on the Goodyear blimp
And it read Beethoven's a pimp

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NShQLVBn3kA&list=OLAK5uy_mUHEoa-F3R1-TaG7EWiDhC587_kmVgnro&index=40

So Rudolf Buchbinder has three complete cycles of Beethoven's piano sonatas, one for RCA/Sony (2011), one for EMI/Warner (1973-81), and one for DG/Unitel (recorded in 2014, released in 2021). Pretty interesting to hit all of the big labels like that. Has anyone tried all three? His newest one, the one on DG that gets posted here, is quite solid, great even. It'll be fun to see his growth as a pianist and interpreter of Beethoven.

let's use the second movement of, say, the 27th for comparison

EMI/Warner
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSfibJmxdmk&list=OLAK5uy_kQN3TtOeQMR6n_7y2K9hkc_0rP3_t74Uo&index=85

DG (so this release has his complete DG Beethoven recordings -- in order, the variations, piano sonatas, lastly piano concertos -- what's both funny and stupid however is they stuck the 14th Piano Sonata, Moonlight, at the very beginning of the set kek, so on the CD with the sonatas, it just skips from 13 to 15, ridiculous)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWBaVY1ZGyQ&list=OLAK5uy_kXQJwv9CSPxwHYmS5yZ4xllWRauCen53A&index=112

RCA/Sony
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOkMS3lPgCA&list=OLAK5uy_norzNDXYGVytIuQkqE6iItJWy5_0mauqE&index=86

>>128306899
BALD

>>128306310
Funny, Wagner critiqued Brahms for ripping off the innovations and advancements of programmatic music.

>>128290756
>The one was “in the casting ladle” [i.e. Peer Gynt] too long, the other not long enough.
What does this actually mean and what does it have to do with Grieg?

What are some good books about classical music? Reading picrel at the moment and it's a very engrossing account.

>>128307445
read an actual textbook you faggot.

>>128307445
Beethoven Or Bust: A Practical Guide to Understanding and Listening to Great Music

>>128290062 (OP)
>Russia: Tchaikovsky
>Czhecia: Dvorak
>Hungary: Liszt
>Poland: Chopin
>Italy: Vivaldi
>Austria: Mozart
>Norway: Grieg
>Finland: Sibelius
>Ireland: Field
>England: Purcell
>France: Debussy
>Germany: Beethoven + Bach + too many to liszt
>Spain: ???

>128305789
Kek, I see you're still absolutely seething from getting obliterated a few days ago. Not even worthy of a (You).

>>128308111
>Russia
Rachmaninoff
>Hungary
Bartok. Liszt is German.
>Italy
Rossini
>Austria
Schubert. Mozart was born in a German family.
>Germany
Just Beethoven.

>>128283000
>genuinely believes the empty grand gestures of early Romanticism are a virtue and not a sign of impotence
That's miserable. I'm sorry to hear that.
>absolutely no argument and conveniently ignores (possibly not registering due to lack of knowledge) most of my post
I accept your concession.

>>128308111
>Spain
Padre Antonio Soler

>>128308111
>Russia
>Czhecia
>Poland
???
/classical/ music is by the West

>>128290062 (OP)
>Western (European)
what does this mean?

>>128308937
>>128308916
Third worlders are under the delusion that the West is more than 4-5 countries tops and that their country is Western. lol

>>128308937
Western as in European, not West European

>>128308937
>>128309003
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_culture#Music

>128305789
I see you're still absolutely seething from getting obliterated a few generals ago. I wonder why you didn't reply to the last post I made... curious. Not even worthy of a (You).

>>128307470
All books have text in them

>>128307470
How about you recommend some to him then, you fucking arrogant retard turbofaggot?

>>128309222
>in music
No one cares, this is the Western world and Germans are barbarians so they don't count.

>>128308937
Don’t worry about it’s just people trying to be funny or something. In reality all kinds of musics, whether it’s from Africa,America, Japan, Indonesian Gamelan - the more the merrier.

>>128309555
Classical is Italy and nothing else, quite literally. Harmony, form, melody, counterpoint, terminology, notation, everything is Italian. France is acceptable, Spain is questionable, England is beyond laughable.

Best Beethoven 1?

do tone poems still stick to a certain clearly defined form and mainly take musican inspiration from the program, or is the form entirely dictated by the program?

Rubbing it out to Rubbra

https://youtu.be/lZmIJewRdLQ

Nono November

Scriabi's Skrillex

>>128309555
>No one cares
This thread is about music, you dumbfuck faggot. Nobody gives a fuck about your retardedly narrow definition of the West.

the f word has been used nine times why must anon be so vulgar

>>128312641
F*gue has been used 3 times but I completely understand your concerns, we must fight strict contrapuntal schools and their dry, abstract "music".

A few examples from a Western national, of which not much mentioned in this general:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOocxj4bEO4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9xihUvGzHY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kskcf4XmKn4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LK_bAksylo

i love this fucker like you wouldn't believe

>>128312952
nation*

>>128312952
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOocxj4bEO4
Who needs concertos when we have Rachmaninoff's piano concertos?
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9xihUvGzHY
Who needs symphonies when we have Mahler's symphonies?

Just kidding, of course. Slightly.

>>128312952
>you calling me a lyre?

>>128291115
A bit late to post, as the season passed, but I'll say this. When hallows eve comes I always think about Gilbert & Sullivan's Ruddigore:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjYMlv2xbAI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuYz_-0Avto

>>128291115
One more for Toussaint/Day of the Dead/etc.
https://youtu.be/4s33hCV1nmg

For me it's Penguin Cafe Orchestra

Scarlatti is literally a top 5 composer for the keyboard

Scriabi is literally a top 5 sludgemonger at the breakfast bar

Anonymous is literally a top 5 faggot on 4chan

Going through a composer's works, operas and choral work -always skipped.

R. Strauss

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3SwNoizV6Y

>>128312988
lmao
i know he isn't that kempff but still

>>128314853
lol wtf

great Shakespeare quote tho

>>128309911
Obviously depends on the composer.

>>128315810
To be as like Hitler as possible or not to be...

brahms

The Brahms fog will survive.

the Brahms fog is messing with my wi-fi connection.

>>128314277
>>128314291
>>128314324
For me, its Scriabi's deli followed by Scriabi's diner, then late romantic chromatic sludge, then Scarlatti's contrapuntal sludge

>>128317573
Install a Strauss modem™ to cut through it.

>>128312952
i wonder how much was lost to history such that the famous composers would turn out to be overrated compared to others that existed before them. at least lower tier composers like mahler etc

>>128317806
>>128317806
There were undoubtedly some great composer women lost to discrimination and time.

>>128318056
post your tits or fuck off. most universities and conservatories these days now have to fill gender and race quotas and there still aren't any great women composers.

now go ahead and call me a faggot. I don't fucking care.

>>128317806
>mahler
>at least lower tier composer
Pick one

>>128318198
*teleports behind you*

oooh shit, look who came out with a Goldberg Variations

Got a cough. Should I still go to the live music today?

>>128318964
drink some tea and suck on a menthol during the performance

>>128318964
yes. the recommended procedure is to sit near the front and center. also, don't forget to cough loudly during the quieter parts and make direct eye contact with the performers when doing so.

>>128318446
It's true, Mahler is the chameleon falsification of everything great about that Late Romantic flowering of the Teutonic musical traditional.

>>128318964
the most important thing you could do right now is to consider the following: the changing of temperatures (seasons) and aerosolized particules emitted into the atmosphere by so called geo-engineering and other potentially nefarious undertakings, for example, powerful and influential technocract's malfecient intent (dark accelerationism), is responsible for your body's deregulation. most notably, it is your lack of sleep, your poor diet, and stress from external pressures that has caused this deregulation—not, as the government and its multinational partners would have you believe, as the result of some virus. that may trigger a lot of reactions, but allow me to expl

>>128319072
Thank you imbecile

>>128318497
>paying for CDs
lol

My friend plays drums and I play piano, are there any chamber music pieces for piano and orchestral percussion?

>>128319341
Yeah, fuck paying those who record the music and keep the tradition alive

>>128314549
Mahoanon posting strauss???

>>128319682
Unironically. We have all the recordings we'll ever need on youtube.

>>128319708
AI will make recordings unreliable. Once that happens all we can rely on is live recordings and our pcs backlog.

>>128319716
>unreliable
How? If AI makes it so you can't tell the difference between it and a live recording then we've hit a /classical/ golden age.

I feel like tone poems should have stayed with vague moods for pieces with otherwise clearly defined form like Liszt wrote them often. Needing a foreword to understand the form of a piece is fucking gay. Hunnenslacht is a great ternary form scherzo-ish movement and the context is there to give it strong imagery. Compare that to something like Franscesca di Ramini by Tchaikovsky and it's incomprehensible if you never read the Divine Comedy and its still unclear after you know the story. I shouldn't be thinking "uhh okay this represents what exactly?" in a piece of music. If you want to put narrative to music write an opera you daft cunt

>>128307445
Rosen - classical style
Kerman - beethoven quartets
Kerman - opera as drama
Bukofzer - baroque era
Newman - wagner nights
Brown - music in renaissance
Taruskin - history of music

>>128319794
I feel like there should be a thesaurus of scales/pitch class sets and their associated meanings. Hanson made a start on it but his system of scale projections could be taken much further, most likely by myself.

>>128319992
bait should be believable.

>>128319992
>no Hurwitz
Opinion discarded.

>>128320060
lay off on the chips, Dave.

>>128319794
I've never heard a tone poem that, uh, didn't make work fine standalone.

>hmm I feel like listening to Beethoven's Hammerklavier
>oh, the 28th piano sonata isn't that long and works as a great intro to it, so let's listen to that too
>yknow, the 27th is super short too, so let's listen to that one first
>ah, Les Adieux is sitting right there, fuck it, let's listen to that too
>hmm, the 24th and 25th are super short too, ah, we got time for that
>oh shit, appassionata, let's do it, with the 22nd as the intro since it's so short
>since we're this far back already, gotta have the waldstein
>oh the 19th and 20th are short so let's listen to those too
many such cases

>>128320423
This must be some form of mental illness. I have never thought like this in my life.

>>128320423
ok

>>128320431
Fortunately I'm not often in the mood for the 17th and 18th so it never goes further than there.

>>128320433
Just sayin' how I start off wanting to listen to the 29th and a minute later end up selecting the 19th.

Scriabi's Désir
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mn1ZKxElKkE&list=OLAK5uy_n9BeNcuEs__C4u783-YbXSOKeGYrzutTg&index=19

>>128320423
lmao

>>128320431
You don't ever select pieces by how they relate to one another? For example, you don't ever listen to a singular orchestral piece as an intro for a symphony?

>>128320475
Sometimes when I'm listening to something I think "oh that reminds me of this other piece" and then I listen to that next but never the other way around. I certainly have never thought that a symphony needed an introduction and couldn't stand on its own.

>>128320489
Well, I don't always do it, but maybe you should give it a try. It's the same exact concept as what they're trying to accomplish with concert programs and recordings with mixed pieces. Not JUST Mahler's 6th but Strauss' Metamorphosen or Death and Transfiguration first? hell yeah. Beethoven's Razumovsky quartets? Almost always as a trio. Beethoven's Egmont or Lenore before one of his symphonies? Why not. Sibelius' Finlandia or Tapiola before his 4th or 5th? very nice. Stuff like that.

Pollini's Beethoven piano sonatas cycle is probably the best one to start with IMO. Technically flawless, interpretive middleground, completely idiomatic, perfect balance of emotion and virtuosity without verging into sentimental excess or deficit, and of course, everything sounds great.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxSLF1v-93w&list=OLAK5uy_kEggyWYCrxEopdQsj_AwdkN28O7Ss2T-o&index=27

now playing

start of Liszt: Années de pèlerinage Book II, Deuxième année: Italie, S. 161
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PrvVXCxtgg&list=OLAK5uy_kC8vtn1D6KEjONU1-o_VWH6lXY91bnVJ4&index=11

start of Liszt: Années de pèlerinage Book III, Troisième Année, S. 163
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_T9h_XsMzHc&list=OLAK5uy_kC8vtn1D6KEjONU1-o_VWH6lXY91bnVJ4&index=17

start of Liszt: Années de pèlerinage Supplement, Venezia e Napoli, S. 162
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klAJX1ZkHKc&list=OLAK5uy_kC8vtn1D6KEjONU1-o_VWH6lXY91bnVJ4&index=24

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kC8vtn1D6KEjONU1-o_VWH6lXY91bnVJ4

Do you plebs even listen to Aalampour, the greatest composer of all?

>>128320781
I prefer Peter Piper Plays a Pair of Paganini Pieces

>>128322315
Oh yeah Aalampour can’t get enough of Aalampour

Scriabin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y74gvSQnJOc&list=OLAK5uy_mpir_o-odKqlgjkm19BPASfmo9r48VurI&index=5

>>128320663
I love most of his tempo choices but he does like to hum sometimes

>>128320423
I've done this too many times too lmao

now playing

start of Schumann: Symphony No. 1 in B-Flat Major, Op. 38 "Spring"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHpG9QBip9c&list=OLAK5uy_mAmXZ8TsOi1AcCzquPztwTerb6KCxmTxI&index=2

start of Schumann: Symphony No. 2 in C Major, Op. 61
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-XpG0Up_PQ&list=OLAK5uy_mAmXZ8TsOi1AcCzquPztwTerb6KCxmTxI&index=5

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mAmXZ8TsOi1AcCzquPztwTerb6KCxmTxI

>>128307445
seconding Rosen's The Classical Style

>>128308111
de Morales

>>128314277
All I know is Liszt is number 1

>>128307472
That retard doesn't like Bach. I would avoid his advice

undisputable top keyboard composers

bach
beethoven
liszt
chopin

so the 5th can be whatever your personal favorite is (ex. debussy, brahms, schumann, scriabin, rachmaninoff) but this mount rushmore is indisputable

>>128320663
>>128320423
All you people do is listen to Beethovens piano sonatas all day, find more music

>>128323289
>doesn't like Bach.

He sounds like a man of taste and culture

>>128323309
Obviously.

>>128323314
Guilty. I just go through phases like this -- some of those phases contain more diversity, some of them don't. Fortunately Beethoven wrote tons of piano sonatas and there's just as many worthwhile recordings of them, so I can get a lot of juice out of this phase. It'll change soon, don't worry.

>>128323309
Shostakovich should have spent more time composing more piano sonatas, he'd rank among the greatest too.

let's get Vague
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oW21EVwesS0&list=OLAK5uy_ngmtjfY1ly18bn15uAAdxXNqkce-bl_MQ&index=1

>>128323309
>liszt
>chopin
>no haydn
LOL

>>128323314
>all you people do is read Shakespeare all day find more literature
valid critique but not by much

>>128323574
not sure what this has to do with /classical/ perhaps try /lit/ instead?

>>128323425
I know the usual refrain here is chamber ensembles today are better than they've ever been, but surprisingly this set holds up very well

>>128323574
Well firstly he wrote plays not books , you're supposed to watch them not sit around reading the script. Yes if all you read was Shakespeare you would be missing out massively

>>128323678
I remember sisterposter admonishing them for poor intonation.

>>128323701
Cool story bro

>>128323701
Takacs do have surgical precision, if one cares about that kind of thing...

don't tell anyone but I did on occasions post recordings and express opinions with equal consideration of knowing it'd get a rise out of them, ex. now that they're gone, I find myself not enjoying Barenboim's recordings nearly as much kek

Beethoven was black when he was younger

>>128323859
DELET THIS

>>128323425
>>128323701
it's just so comfy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LqLcxUeDxQ&list=OLAK5uy_ngmtjfY1ly18bn15uAAdxXNqkce-bl_MQ&index=7

makes one wanna curl up in a blanket and dream of vienna

Are there classical music weeb-esque Viennaphiles?

>>128323913
But I ain't ever going to see Vienna anyhow

>>128323938
probably among rich people

>>128323949
hence the dreaming. though I do admit I personally have zero reference for imagining Vienna

>>128323938
Brahms was kind of like this.

>>128323561
?
If anything, Bach and Beethoven don't belong anywhere near the level of Chopin and Liszt. Haydn is even more laughable. Consider Prokofiev, Scriabin, Fauré, you absolute clown

>>128324432
thank you neurasthenic romantislopper

>>128324432
Oh and Debussy, Scarlatti and Rachmaninoff. Who the fuck talks about keyboard composers without these composers? Ignorant halfwits obvioisly.
>>128324445
>scriabin
>romantic
Emanating with stink and cringe. Leave this general immediatelly.

>>128324460
thank you neurasthenic romantislopper

>>128324467
I truly fail to understand your role here? Are you a shill or a normalgroid? Either way, head out >>>/wherever/

>>128324479
thank you neurasthenic romantislopper

>>128324482
Try >>>/t/rash/ impotent mongrel

>>128324495
thank you neurasthenic romantislopper

>>128324499
>>128324495

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0MNibPmDv0&list=RDE0MNibPmDv0&start_radio=1

>>128324502
thank you neurasthenic romantislopper

>>128324479
He's a gatekeeper, a shepherd if you will

>>128324507
>>128324495

new
>>128324508
>>128324508
>>128324508

>>128324521
thank you neurasthenic romantislopper

>>128324520
He's a barking dog, saccharine music like Haydn can't be gatekept.
>>128324533
>>128324495

>>128324536
thank you neurasthenic romantislopper

>>128324536
A dog, eh... Hah...! Well said for an eyesore like you! Not that any of you whelps truly understand the Mad God... Lord Scriabin accepts your little favor, however...

>>128324540
try >>>/mu/, vile intruder

>>128324611
thank you neurasthenic romantislopper

>>128323277
lolno

>>128324615
try >>>/t/rash/

>>128324723
thank you neurasthenic romantislopper

>>128324728
try >>>/t/rash/

>>128324758
thank you neurasthenic romantislopper

>>128324796
try >>>/t/rash/

>>128324821
thank you neurasthenic romantislopper

>>128324879
try >>>/t/rash/

>>128324979
thank you neurasthenic romantislopper

>>128325066
try >>>/t/rash/

>>128325083
thank you neurasthenic romantislopper

Mozart

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpFW5C8BvkU

>>128325132
try >>>/t/rash/

>>128325145
thank you neurasthenic romantislopper

mozart appears when you need him the most