t. 2022 Marin Alpine Trail E2

I'm sorry anon but you've come to the wrong board. Everyone here, including me, is too poor to afford one. All you will get is seethe.

do you have a disability?

>>2001154
Well fugg

so as if driving your boing-boing toy to the mtb park wasn't fat enough, now you need to add a motor just in case the ski slope has a temporary flat section where you might need to pedal, I hate mountain "bikers" so much it's unreal

>>2001181
Post bike

>>2001158
anyone that posts on this shithole has a mental disability

>>2001213
not doxxing myself but it's a canyon ultimate, and a felt breed, depending on where I'm going. what would you like to know next? my weight? I weigh 63 kg, without the help of ozempic, that's probably why I don't need an electric motor.

>>2001254
>63kg
Does the wind ever carry you away

>>2001271
no because my surface area is also lower than yours, in fact I'm considerably denser and therefore less vulnerable to winds. the drawback is that when I'm in water I have to actually swim, I can't just float like you

>>2001254
I could brake you and your bike in half.
But I second your opinion on e-MTBs.

I like the idea of e-bikes for transportation. For some reason the idea of a mountain bike is offensive to me, though. Doesn't seem fun.

>>2001287
Agreed. While motoring is a disease and strong indicator of a weakness of both the body and mind the electric motorcycle remains a better choice all around when compared to the murdercage. It's a viable option to provide those who due to disability or degeneracy would otherwise be unable to participate in modern society with a means to do so.

>>2001254
>63 kg
How cute

itt: mountain "bikers" (sic) being amazed when they see someone who isn't morbidly obese, reminds me of when I had to go to a flyover state for work and everyone was confused because I ordered something with vegetables at lunch and the locals (all overweight of course) spent an inordinate amount of effort trying to understand why, they just couldn't wrap their heads around someone wanting to eat a vegetable
>why did. you order that anon? you don't need to diet, you're so thin!

>>2001273
>im considerably denser

you got that right

>>2001147 (OP)
Kinda regret getting full sus as it turns out when I got an Ebike I preferred cross-country rather than trails and downhill.

>>2001432
Looks good, what is it?

Why not get a motor bike at this point ?

>>2001635
No motorbike trails near me, only mtb trails

>>2001432
Hey cube bro. I don't even go off road.

>>2001741
What's the benefit for trails besides help climbing? I'd rather spend the money on a very high spec full sus that doesn't have a battery and motor weighing it down. I can see the point for xc and extending your range.

>>2001837
>I don't even go off road
Based comfort croozer

>>2001840
The motor makes climbing actually fun, and the extra weight makes you able to plow down the hill even harder than an analogue. Its a win/win

>>2001857
what happens if you try to climb in high gear? does the motor shit out and die? do you have to be in a granny gear for it to be viable? not shitting on e-bikes, just wondering.

>>2001863
You climb in whatever gear is necessary and the motor is always there to pull you up the hill. I fly up the climbs now roosting around the berms on the way up, and instead of doing 2 descents like I would on my analogue I can now get 6+ descents in and Im not even knackered. Riding an analogue these now is boring as fuck, e-bikes are superior in every way.

>>2001147 (OP)
Based ebike enthusiasts

>>2001866
>roosting around the berms on the way up
im sure you help with the trail maintenance too with all that energy you are saving.
>analogue
cringe

>>2002061
>im sure you help with the trail maintenance too
Ive been known to do a bit of trail building in my time
>>analogue
>cringe
Sounds like analogue cope to me

>>2001147 (OP)
>e-bikes
Enjoy not being a real cyclist, I guess. Fatass loser.

>>2002204
>a real cyclist
Lol, lmao even

>>2002253
>>2002095
>>2001866
there's an offroad motorcycle tripfriend on /lgbt/ who you would probably get along with. they were into the macho-man "dirt bike lifestyle" for years, obviously coping, but she eventually cracked and went on estrogen and turned into a pretty girl. pretty cute too though more than a little unhinged.

>>2002269
>all that cope
Absolutely seething analogue rider

>>2002273
? I'm just saying you might have a kindred spirit on another board, if you feel attacked that's on you

What are your thoughts on electric dirt bikes? I've been thinking about saving up to buy one to fuck with but I've never ridden a dirt bike before (bicycles and motorcycles though). I know this is a MTB thread but they are similar things

>>2002275
they are literally the same thing

>>2002276
An electric MTB is still peddle powered. An electric dirtbike is definitely more powerful, faster, all engine no peddles, heavier, bigger, etc. They're definitely different enough though similar.

>>2002275
Haven't riden one but saw one ripping around the trails the other night, looks like fun. Thinking about getting one myself as from a distance they just look like an emtb and unlike conventional dirt bikes you cant hear them from miles away so could probably get away with riding them on mtb trails. They arent heaps powerful but powerful enough for tighter trails

>>2002280
Please don't

>>2001154
nah, I'm going to replace my garbon fullsus with an emtb at some point because fuck climbing 10%+ gradients for 3 miles on that thing to get one goddamn run in. I'll leave that sort of "fun" to days on my road and grabel bikes, which are built for that sort of thing

>>2002279
>tries to define what is a 'real cyclist'
>can't even spell 'pedal' properly
LOL fag

So much copium in this thread, suprised you aren't all suffocating.
If you ride an e-bike, you're not a real cyclist, I don't care why you're doing it. If you're disabled I feel for you but don't think you're in the same class as someone who does the work and is capable of riding without electric assistance. That's just the way it is.
It's not like I'm even surprised by this. /n/ has always been full of total casuals who won't actually do the work to improve, they're happy to be weak and slow, vis-a-vis fixies and e-bikes.

>>2002311
Nice blog post
Nobody cares what you think faggot.

>>2002403
He's right though, keep coping fattie

>>2002405
You're the one in a thread full of things you don't like (can't afford).

>>2002421
You ebike people are a lot like brompton people, you thought about something with 2 wheels that cost more than $2000 for the first time in your life and that makes you a big spender because you don't associate with actual bike people just other hamplanets who think that's a lot

>>2002455
I have a brompton as well you fucking poorfag bwahahahahah

>>2002294
Was I wrong though? Is this thread not filled with seethe?

whirwhirwhirwhirwhirwhirwhir
at least you guys are fast

>>2002311
Oh no, how will I ever cope being labeled "not a real cyclist"???

>>2002455
Post body

>>2002512
FYI in the future if you want to sound like an actual brompton owner you say "I have a brompton as well, it cost (the exact price)", do better

>>2002311
Post legs, I bet you won't leglette.

>>2001147 (OP)
Why do e bike riders make this board sneed so much?

>>2002639
i go to the woods to get away from motorized vehicles. and the dui-mobiles that are flying down the sidewalks make people even more hostile to us regular riders.

>>2002645
Its not like theyre cars s why does it even bother you when youre innawoods? I dont get all it

>>2002648
many of them lack etiquette. riding your ass on a climb. damaging the trails riding in the wet because they have no concept of trail maintenance. "roosting around the berms on the way up" like that cool guy that posted earlier. more crowded trails because these people wouldn't make it up any of the climbs without a motor.

the only reason these abominations got so popular is because they were waiving the tariffs (at least in the US.) that is set to expire, so hopefully prices skyrocket and these apes can go get their cheap thrill somewhere else.

>>2002652
Holy shit lmfao the absolute cope coming from you. You are so mad you keep lurking the thread jumping at the chance to make a reply
>the big scary emtb riders are meanies to me
>they ride my slow arse on the climbs because I lack the etiquette to get out of their way
>im the only one that could possibly make it up hills without a motor
>they must be fat because I said so
>they never do any trail maintenance because I said so
You sound like a little girl. Post body twink, I guarantee I mog your scrawny little whinging arse

>>2002653
im not the only one posting in this thread.
your points are retarded.
i like how you post pictures of your bike NEXT to the features and not riding them because you have no friends to ride with.

>>2002654
Lmfao post body twink, lets see those skinny little arms and legs

I'm a purist, but the idea of e-mtb is growing on me. Would be amazing to have a long travel full sus bike that I can climb steeply and do 100 mile days on. But no doubt I'd need to carry an extra battery for that and the cost is just prohibitive realistically. Don't see the prices of used e-bikes going down much either, unless the battery is exhausted since the motor+battery will hold value more than other parts.

i like overtaking e-mtbs on the uphill

>>2002655
post body, let's see those pit stains from the exertion of moving your beer gut to the fridge once an hour

>>2002686
C'mon little man, show us what this epitome of fitness looks like. post body and don't forget the timestamp.

I saw an e-mtber today on the dirt. Was flying with low cadence+full face so that's what I presume he was.

I went on a ride on Sunday, and 80% of the bikers were riding e-bikes.
It's the future, regardless of what you think.

>>2002665
Why do you care? You don't know them. What's the difference between overtaking them and cycling up an empty road? Do you understand why you like it? Do you understand what that says about you?

>>2001147 (OP)
I love ebikes but I cant afford one

>>2001147 (OP)
What are they like on the climbs?

>>2002723
hehe fatso gets left to dust

>>2002720
Its just a fad. People with ebikes are already lazy by nature and are not the kind of people who normally like to spend a lot of time outdoors. Most of them buy an ebike, ride it a few weekends, and when it comes time for maintenance, or they get bored with their local trails, they'll think its too much of a hassle.
Sure ebikes are here to stay, but it'll probably just be for old retired dentists in the long term.

>>2002723
>Do you understand why you like it? Do you understand what that says about you?
NTA but why are you so oblivious to why someone has a competitive nature in what is typically viewed as a competitive sport? E-bike fatties will never understand the enjoyment of friendly competition I guess.

>>2002931
Effortless

>>2002931
They make the climbs actually fun, not as fun as the descents but much more fun than they are on an analogue
>>2002949
>Its just a fad.
Youre dreaming. Youve painted this caricature in your mind of what you think an ebike rider is that couldnt be further from the truth. There might be old boomers riding around the streets on ebikes but everybody I see and talk to on the trails with ebikes are young and middle aged riders who cant be fucked with the climbs anymore and enjoy getting in 3 times as many descents than they would on their analogues.

>>2003035
stop saying analogue.
there are mtbs and there are e-mtbs.
analog and digital are signals. bikes are not signals and digital bike doesn't make sense just like analog bike doesn't make sense.

>>2003036
>stop saying analogue.
No

>>2001147 (OP)
Nice looking bike

>>2003087
Thanks

>>2002948
>>2002958
And what about when you try that on me? And you find out my mid drive ebike can effortlessly wheelie uphill at 30mph? Will you feel like you lost? Will you try to keep pace? Will you cry and yell cheat? I suppose I won't know, because when I'm on a ride I don't think about you at all.

>>2001147 (OP)
Im looking at buying one of these but the 2024 model with the bosch motor

>e-mtb
unironically just buy at dirtbike at that point, you'll get a lot more for your money if you look for a decent craigslist deal
the appeal of MTBs is that they're entirely mechanical

>>2003312
>The appeal of an MTB is that it's entirely mechanical

What do you mean by this? The appeal of an MTB for me is that it's a bike, I don't see why a battery is mutually exclusive. And an eMTB and a 2-stroke dirt bike are leagues apart in use-case

Where can I rent some new high end emtbs for a few hours and specifically take them to a trail system (moto-friendly, obviously, I’m not a rulebreaking fucktard)? Bike retail shop? Adventure Tour business? Pls help this may be my last chance to get my buddy into serious mtb rides alongside me

>>2003355
translation: the appeal is having a motorcycle without having the responsibilities that come with driving a motorcycle

>>2003364
Yes, exactly! You get it :)

>>2003312
Nowhere to ride them where I live because the government are cunts

>>2003451
OHV and dirt bike trail systems are underrated honestly

Grible hub master race rider bumping the tread.
I had to go ebike as my knees and hips were giving me issues for being an old fag. Best decision I've made.

>>2003547
Based

>>2003547
Lovely scenery

3 musketeers or milky way I know my decision whats yours

>>2003852
>ebike
>candy bars
really leaning into the staying-fat lifestyle, huh?

Found some places renting out full-size Levo’s for $100 each, gonna rent one myself (who wants to try an ebike) and my friend (who wants to buy an ebike). He wants to hit the pedal-up bike park, get a bunch of laps in, but I’m thinking we could do that on unpowered bikes just as easily. I’m thinking a moto trail system with long epic rolling trails, thinking it’ll complement the heavy ebike weight better than bike park jumps and also let us really stretch out that motor power. There’s also a long mountain trail about 3 hours away that I know is an ebiker’s favorite, but I’m worried about 5 hours of freeway driving with two full size ebikes on the back. All other nearby trail options I know of are off limits.
What’s the best kind of ride to introduce yourself to ebikes with?

>>2003976
Take it to the mountain trail

>>2001147 (OP)
How much do these things cost?

>>2004445
about $350

>>2004445
$4000-6000 minimum

>>2004457
6k for a good one?

>>2004472
Yeah that’ll do the trick. You can maybe pull off something decent for $4000 but it could have a crap-ass fork or an older shimano steps motor or something. $6000 definitely gets you a few solid options with modern-generation motors and reasonably quality parts

>>2004547
$6k isnt too bad considering

I like your bike

>>2004547
full pads and gym clothes.
running shoes so he can get some exercise after he finishes his ride.
thumb covering the dropper lever because he might need to adjust it in the middle of his sick maneuver.
i mean it probably looks cool to the target demographic of people that don't actually ride bikes, but lol.

>>2004776
>noooo you have to wear my approved apparel otherwise youre not a real mountain biker
kek, lmao

>>2004776
Embarrassing that you'd care so much

>>2004778
if you can afford a 6k toy, you can afford some shorts that won't bunch up and get caught on your saddle. likewise, stiff shoes that actually grip the pedals will make for a safer ride than full pads.

>>2004782
says the faggot that made a thread so he could post all the pictures from the photoshoot he did with his ebike

>>2004786
Holy kek youre STILL here seething and coping LMFAO
Also this >>2004782 wasnt me, this was >>2004778

>>2004787
ya i knew one of them was you because nobody else cares about this thread. you already posted this picture, better take more pictures of your digital bike next time you go out.

>>2004789
>nobody else cares about this thread
Lmao yet here you are
Your tears are delicious btw

>>2004790
kek, lmao

>>2002547
You first, e-bike fag.
You go ahead and bring your heavy-ass overpriced e-bike on a 50 mile road ride in the hills with me. I'll leave you in the dust on one of the climbs and finish the course, meanwhile you'll run out of charge and have to call your mommy to pick you up.

E-bikes are fine for otherwise disabled people, and I'll even admit if you're using it to get to school or your job, or even to run some easy errands, they might even make sense. But you who act like you're superior to those of us who don't choose an e-bike are just huge fags and deserve all the hate you get. If you have an e-bike and you're just treating it like a moped and out fucking around on it and have no practical use for it, then you're just an annoying jerk who needs to fuck off.

>>2002663
>I'm a purist, but the idea of e-mtb is growing on me. Would be amazing to have a long travel full sus bike that I can climb steeply and do 100 mile days on. But no doubt I'd need to carry an extra battery for that and the cost is just prohibitive realistically. Don't see the prices of used e-bikes going down much either, unless the battery is exhausted since the motor+battery will hold value more than other parts.
E-bikes are a product of the bike companies jumping on the fact that gasoline prices are ridiculous, people want to save money on it, and regular bikes are not popular with all the obese people because they're too fat and unfit to ride them worth a damn, and class-1/2 e-bikes (i.e. pedal assist) give them the *illusion* that they're getting exercise, when really they're not doing shit. Then there's the people who buy the cheap e-bikes from overseas companies that have a switch to change them from class-1/2 to class-3, and they're out on bike paths that are not designed for it or allow class-3, they're riding >20mph, don't have the skill to handle a bike at that spped, and it's so damn heavy that it can't maneuver quickly in an emergency on a narrow bike path to start with. Where I live the rangers see all these motorized things and know it's just a matter of time before accidents happen but the laws allow it all as 'mobility devices'.

What about bike/hike trails and then separate bike/ebike trails

>>2004843
>im a soiboy lycrafag
opinion discarded

>mtb costs more than your car
>mtb costs more than your ebike
both are acceptable

Ebikes are the best! So much more fun

>>2004786
Are you a faggot? Why are you so concerned with how his pants bunch up in his crotch?

Quit posing, it doesn't fucking matter that much what people wear. Except maybe to you, because you're a faggot

>>2005250
Its not gay to look at other men and the shorts riding up their arse

>>2004844
>give them the *illusion* that they're getting exercise
Light exercise is exercise

>>2001432
What bike would be best for cross-country cycling, then? I'm kinda in the same boat, but all the bikes I see in shops are either full mtbs or hybrid "city" bikes.

>>2005564
Youd have to get a hardtail emtb

>>2005250
if you ever rode in basketball shorts, you would know that they bunch up and are uncomfortable to ride in. even jeans are more comfortable. it also sucks when your shorts get caught on your saddle because they are loose and stretchy.
this may not apply to motorbikers that just press the throttle to accelerate.
i was just talking about how stupid that picture is, but the fact you took such offense is funny.

>>2004776
Runners or hikers are the only acceptable shoes to wear outdoors.

>>2005656
do you think soccer players should not wear cleats?

>>2004790
hey bro what size handlebars do you use

>>2005639
I almost exclusively ride in gym shorts no undies
And Everytime I do I never think about other mens choice in pants
I do think about banging your mom, a lot

>>2001147 (OP)
Merida E-One Sixty. Its almost 4 years old now. Been riding it every_single_day.
Upgraded everything. Only thing left is frame and Motor.
-Chipped
-36x9
-DT exc1200 ultralight carbon rims tubeless 120 TPI tyres
-Hope Tech V4 brakes sintered metal pads Galfer 203mm rotors
- Cane Creek DB sus
-Sram AXS 12sp eagle xx1 chain waxed
- DJI action 2 camera mounted under magic shine lights

used to post on /n/ regularly since 2015 dont but come here anymore because of the vitriol from poorfags constantly seething

Good luck with the thread.

>>2006026
780mm
>>2006087
Nice rig mate! How many kms on the clock?

>>2006327
Hard to say, chipping will give an inaccurate odometer reading and also i warrantied the motor after about year or so because of a shitty bearing on the output shaft. Everything on that bike has been replaced/upgraded except frame battery forks and handlebars.

Best thing i have ever spent money on. The golden age of shimano. I dont know what the hell is wrong with them lately. Even Merida Dropped them and are going to Bosh in 2025 :/

>>2005635
>hardtail emtb
Thanks m8

>>2006592
No probs

>>2001147 (OP)
Saving up for an ebike at the moment, any recommendations?

>>2007509
Yeah. Kill yourself, pussy.

>>2007509
I recommend you hire a personal trainer to yell at you to jump rope if you can't motivate yourself to get your lard ass out of the sofa and move your body

>>2007517
>>2007518
What the fuck is your problem?

>>2007520
?

So in the US ebikes can go up to 60kmph? That 25kmph limit in the EU is really annoying though I suppose that means I still do some exercise.

>>2002720
It's true. I just bought a regular hardtail and was surprised to see all these boomers riding electrics in the trails.

>>2007685
I agree

>>2001147 (OP)
Looks killa! Im getting the focus sam2 6.9 with the bosch performance

I can't find an ebike that goes 35 mph+. Where are they?

>>2007814
https://wiredebikes.com/products/wired-freedom

>>2007831
Looks alright

>>2007831
Thank you bro

>>2001147 (OP)
Nice pics bro

I'm in the market for an e-bike but I've read they're heavy and I want to transport it to other places to ride it. What's a good bike rack for an e-bike? Also is the Giant Dirt E 2 a good e-bike for a beginner?

>>2008693
What kind of riding do you plan on doing?

>>2008703
Riding around on paved roads and light trails.

So why do you prefer emtb? For the same price you can get a great mtb, thats fun to ride and train cardio with.
Also one more thing to charge, one more thing to have a chance of catching fire

Been getting to new places with this thing. Much lighter & simpler than a dirtbike.

>>2008874
Should be fine then
>>2008880
People have already tested this out and you burn just as many calories out on an ebike ride as you do on an analogue the only difference being that instead of getting 1 or 2 runs down the hill you get 5 or 6 meaning 3 times as much fun in the same period of time
>>2008883
Loving it! What you riding there?

>>2001147 (OP)
FUCK EBIKES

>>2008886
t-wreck rail-my-ass. Big sale on new old stock.

>>2007509
>>2007520
>>2007814
>>2008693


E-bike are just another term for 'electric moped' and should be treated as such legally. They should be required to have a headlight, taillight, brake light, turn signals, and a license plate. E-bike riders should be required to be trained and educated, pass a written knowledge test and a skills test in order to posess a license to operate an e-bike. Furthermore they should be restricted to public roads only, and strictly prohibited from bike paths.

>>2009354
>t. bootlicker

>>2009353
Beautiful

>>2001147 (OP)
its not electric or an mtb but normies seem to think its an emtb all the time so im one of you guys :)

>>2002269
is she a lesgen poster or what?
i need a dirtbike girl in my life

>>2002294
this seems so backwards to me
id rather have an ebike for the road and a manual bike for offroad

>>2002663
just build an emtb
you get a better bike for cheaper idk why this thread is full of disgusting prebuilt ebikes
id have expected better from this board desu id have thought you fuckers would be based and build your own but theres NOT ONE diy ebike on this board i swear

>>2002708
doubt it
emtbers never go that fast

>>2002720
can you tell me what hellhole you live in so i can never go there pls?
the trails must be fucking destroyed

>>2003036
>>2003042
i prefer electric and manual
god analogue is as bad as saying acoustic

>>2003312
would love to but i live in cuckland where dirtbiking is basically impossible but an ebike cant rly do what a dirtbike can so id rather just keep using manuals
i want an e-touring bike for the road

>>2003547
you just needed shorter cranks lol
many such cases

>>2005564
a crosscountry bike with a kit

>>2006087
i cant believe the board has gotten so bad that now im relieved to see your bike
you mog every other emtb here (very low bar sorry)

>>2007509
a good bike and a kit
unless you already have thousands and less than 10 braincells a prebuilt ebike isnt worth it

>>2006334
the golden age of shimano was like 20 years ago lol

>>2007634
you can just turn the limiter off lol
polica cant enforce it because a manual bike can go faster than that too lol

>>2007814
they are cuckmobiles the only good ebikes are diy

>>2008874
bait
>>2008880
you can get a fun mtb for £10

>>2010054
Lol based

>>2010068
Rear hub kit?

Time to spit some emtb facts

-Long remote smooth trails are better than garbage bike parks full of suicidal midlife crisis men snapping their wrists.
-Fat seats are based. If thin seats were more comfy, motorcycles would use them. Fattmaxx your saddle and see for yourself.
-99% of commercial mtb tyres are overgripped and overpriced as a result. Plus they rob your rolling speed.
-Manufacturers now use 203 discs to compensate for shitty calipers. Larger rotors get damaged easier.

>>2010907
>Long remote smooth trails are better than garbage bike parks full of suicidal midlife crisis men snapping their wrists.
Fair enough.
>Fat seats are based. If thin seats were more comfy, motorcycles would use them. Fattmaxx your saddle and see for yourself.
But I'm caked up and my ass is the cushion
>99% of commercial mtb tyres are overgripped and overpriced as a result. Plus they rob your rolling speed.
Who cares it's an ebike. Knobby tires won't cost you any noticable extra effort.
>Manufacturers now use 203 discs to compensate for shitty calipers. Larger rotors get damaged easier.
Bigger is ALWAYS better.

>>2010907
Where was this pic taken?

>>2011143
Peak District, was a nice ride!

>>2011149
Cool

>>2001147 (OP)
Looking at a new ebike this week but theyre so expensive

>>2002311
>If you ride an e-bike, you're not a real cyclist

good. i dont wanna be a "cyclist"

also whats with people thinking emtbs are less exercise? i get just as much exercise as I did on my mtb but i go way farther, faster, and ride for longer. not to mention all the technical downhills that everyone shuttles up i just ride up, and then back down, and then up again, and then down again, and then up again, and then down again, mogged

>>2002311
You can enjoy riding a bicycle one when riding downhill
Uphill is scourge of cycling, It can only be overcome with an electric motor, but it makes the bike much heavier
I wish Mars would be colonized soon, it would be much easier to drive uphill there without motor

>>2010907
>99% of commercial mtb tyres are overgripped and overpriced as a result. Plus they rob your rolling speed.

I have been telling you for over a year to give some slicks a go. I was running the maxxis refuse fiull slick for the past few years. Recently a dog stick snapped 2 of my rear spokes and since i had to take the tires off to do the wheel work i decided to change things up a little. The maxxis receptor is a gravel tire i had no idea existed. Its 120 TPI and i am pretty darn sure its one of the fastest rolling 27.5 tires you can get. Its insanely fast. Hyperlite wheelsets and gravel tires on a full power EEB is pretty awesome.

>>2013469
>technical downhills that everyone shuttles up i just ride up
You keep saying this but in my area the only trails you could ride up are literally dog walker paths. Good luck riding up a rock slab or a rock garden that's almost as steep.

>>2013469
>i get just as much exercise as I did on my mtb but i go way farther, faster, and ride for longer
that's what my friend claims too but in reality he leaves it on full assist mode and won't come on any long rides incase his battery dies
he is also speed limited to 25mph and can't put down power past that without motor because his gearing sucks
he also keeps sliding out around corners when trying to keep up with me because his rear hub motor is heavy and makes the bike handle like shit
don't get me wrong he's my nigga and im glad to go ride bikes with him, but if i was tempted to buy an ebike before from all this online shilling, i'm not anymore.

>>2014030
I did listen, I went from the Nobby Nics to the Johnny Watts. Way less tread profile.

I'd like to ride with you. We'd be pals irl.

>>2014077
>rear hub motor
opinion discarded

>>2014138
Yeah it's pretty shit but if that's what you get for the money it's fuckin funny
Would paying 5k for a slightly less shit but still speed limited ebike be worthwhile you think?
Don't get me wrong I'm not against ebikes some of them look like they fuckin rip but I have never seen anyone IRL doing anything other than going very slowly very easily

>>2014169
Get a mid drive and derestrict it. Simples.

convince me NOT to buy this for areas where noise is a main concern

Alloy rim busted coasting downhill through a rocky 4x4 trail. Has me wondering if carbon rims would be better or worse

>>2014236
If it was carbon it wouldve exploded on you

>>2014030
slick tires are faster on pavement than knobby tires. wow

>>2014236
carbon wouldn't bend like that, but the ride quality is also different. still gotta learn how to pick a line

>>2014215
Do it

>>2001147 (OP)
controversial opinion: ebikes are based
change my mind

Bait bike anon rides again! https://youtu.be/Miio4WRSfHU?feature=shared

>>2001147 (OP)
Love emtbs, me

>>2014890
like crutches and wheelchairs?

Should I buy PikaBoost 2? Some comments on their site say it's a scam. Any experience with this brand or alternative?

>>2014890
>shit that easily catches fire because of lithium-ion batteries is based
top kek you're fucking retarded.

I don't hate people who ride E-mtb or anything but I can bitch for days about the bike itself


you're adding 20 lbs to the frame, 75% increase in weight, that's heavier than strapping a roadbike to your actual mtb.

This means you NEED the system to work for it's own weight. When battery die, how much fun are we having?

a 5lb motor is cool. 7 lb is ok. but 20 lbs and permanently changing the frame? no way. there has to be better ways.

Also, the pricing is fucking nuts. comparing the tag on that E-bike, you could get the elite components on the same model minus the pedal assist system, and it'd weigh like 30lb not 55. FFFFFUCK

I'd like something closer to an e-gravel bike. something that could do dirt, light trails, and also be more at home on the road.
I ride as much as I can manage to fit in after work while there's still light out, and my probable riding area is bisected by a large hill that makes rental-spec hatchbacks struggle to clear it without a head start. If a car can't do it, how could I expect to manage in my limited riding time without giving myself a heart attack?
maybe actual emtbs will lighten up enough that I would feel comfortable riding it with no assist until I wanted to hit one of the "oh fuck" hills

>>2018196
Do not buy this

>>2018327
why not? rumor has it they may explode. is it true?

>>2018375
Not true

>>2001147 (OP)
Not sure why all the hate against electric bikes itt, if they get more people out and about improving their health then that's a good thing

>>2020257
No one ITT hates on electric bikes more than other vehicles. What you're witnessing is people not being okay with the motorists pushing their agenda according to which their motorvehicles were in fact not motorvehicles but bicycles if the accelerator comes in the form of a pedalcrank.
Also the constant absolute shit behaviour, bad mannerisms and dangerous bike handling displayed by those types. One can't help but think it's a motorist false flag operation.

>>2020261
>blanket statements
Logical fallacy

>>2020257
Jealousy, mostly

>>2002455
I've got a Surly MTB, a Brompton and now a Jones HD/E bike

>>2018291
Aren't these the same batteries as the one in your phone?

>>2014215
Looks a bit ching-chong deathtrap.

>if you're not having a heart attack and heatstroke you're cheating

>>2021002
How about another covid booster jaberino?

>skeleton catched up on a 10k garbon race bike
>tells your that's cheating

Are new ebikes better than ones from just a couple of years ago?

>>2024117
The technology has come a long way

eMTB makes going up hill as fun as going down.

>>2001147 (OP)
The "e" stands for estrogen

The writing is on the wall, emtb is the mainstream.

>>2026262
This. Its over for the analogue fags

>>2026263
It makes sense. Downhillers etc hardly even pedal anyway only to get back to the top of the ride.

>>2024117
i went with new old stock because it was 30% off. The newer models have nicer controls, but the everything else was the same (including the powertrain)

>>2026693
Looks cool/fun.

>>2024117
You could get a bike like a Jones hd/e which is designed for heavy duty ebiking without an integrated motor and just update the motor etc over time keeping up with tech.

I figured this is probably the best thread to ask but can anyone recommend a good ebike for trails and beginner mountain biking? I'm mainly a hiker and do dirt trails, haven't really ridden a bike in awhile but would like to take a bike on some trips with me when I want to lug camera gear. After some searching I'm thinking maybe a Bulls iconic evo or Aventon Ramblas.

>>2028183
other one has cheap shitty sram sx driverrain and cheap shitty proprietary electronics and other one is a city bike

What transmission range is really needed for a 250/500/750 watt electric motor for best efficiency? I heard the more power a motor can produce, the higher its spherical efficiency and the less gears it needs. Electric scooters, electric motorcycles and electric cars for example do not use a transmission at all, only a reduction to increase torque.

Is it possible to set the required torque and maximum efficiency range by selecting your own nylon gears with a different number of teeth on a picrelated motor?

Is it possible to install other gears with a different number of teeth and are there any for sale? Or is there always one 1:5 reduction which is completely insufficient for driving in hilly cities with 29 wheels?

For example, I need the picrealted motor not to overheat at all when driving at a 10% slope on a 29 wheel, even if this will lead to the fact that on a flat surface the maximum speed will decrease to 25 km / h or less.

If I can't install other gears for require level of reduction, then I can only change it by installing 16-20 inch wheels, which is also completely unsatisfactory.

The mid-engine is completely unsuitable for me because it uses the resource of chains and cassete that are not protected from abrasives and require constant maintaince, while nylon gears are in a closed lubricated bath and do not require maintenance except for replacement every 10,000-15,000 km.

>>2028191
if anything, i'm too lazy and don't want to use the motor as an assistant same as constantly maintain bike. i would like to replace the cranks and pedals with footrests like on motorcycles

>>2028190
Depends how much work the motor is doing. I'm typically contributing half of the power with my legs, so human-spaced gearing works best

>>2028192
> it uses the resource of chains and cassete that are not protected from abrasives and require constant maintaince
the chain will require maintenance regardless of powertrain location. A rear hub motor will incur less wear, but struggle to climb hills due to the lack of mechanical advantage provided by the drivetrain. A belt drive & internal gearbox will avoid the need for constant maintenance, but cost significantly more.
> don't want to use the motor as an assistant same as constantly maintain bike.
you're literally asking for a motorcycle. if you're about to bitch about license/insurance/etc, then get a 49cc scooter. Ultimately, you can't have your cake & eat it too. You have to compare the tradeoffs of various types & configurations vehicles and pick one.
>>>/o/

EMTB is the best thing to happen since Surly invented fat-tyres.

>>2028191
chains also only ever need to be replaced every 10km.
Just keep spare links and a tool tool to replace in the rare case of an accident.

the only brand that has decent part support is bafang mid drives, theres even aftermarket PEEK gear upgrades, you wont find anything like that for anything else, and even if you do, it may not exist in a few years from now.

>>2029714
Why are electric cyclists not considered as true cyclists? Motor can only be used to compensate for losses due to increased rolling resistance from wide and aggressive tires, suspension, MTB seat and geometry - this way you get the same feeling of riding a road bike, only much safer, more reliable and more all-terrain. Maybe they just sadomasochistic?

>>2030503
Mid motors, with the exception of Bosch, have a huge minus. They protrude downwards and greatly reduce ground clearance, so there is a very high risk of them being smashed against some stone or curb. Or burning out because of water getting in.

>>2028340
word "motorcycle" is associated primarily with a 100+ kilogram horse for pushing 120+ km/h on the highway outside the city. but not as a practical utilitarian transport for short distances in a dense city. using only a motor is much more reasonable if it is a practical utilitarian transport, and not sports equipment. motorcycle/not a motorcycle, scooter/not a scooter - this is determined primarily by the dimensions and noise level, in which e-bikes and especially e-scooters are no different from regular bicycles

Is this the greatest ebike ever made?

>>2030633
>Mid motors, with the exception of Bosch, have a huge minus.
That's not so true, the opinion of someone who's never ridden one.

>>2030791
$10k for a plastic bike that will be dust in 5 years.

>>2030633
Would you count a runner to be a true cyclist if they used an exoskeleton to power their legs?

They're mopeds, and that's fine, but don't pretend you're doing something you're not

>>2030832
You pedal, therefor its a pushbike

>>2030832
Would you count a runner who had springs on his legs to be a true runner? What's the line between crutch and enhancement? Is MTB with suspension a crutch or enhancement?

>>2030633
On modern mtb geometries yes, but even so not by much, the the chainring and especially cranks will always protrude much lower.

Also if youre hitting rocks and trails like that you should also know mid drives are not only proffered for the extra torque and power they provide but also because they lower the center of mass and they are also "sprung weight" much like the rider's weight. the motor weight is absorbed by the suspension along with the riders weight unlike a heavy hub motor that is not sprung weight and messes up balancing on a bicycle. i mean you can still ride on the street and stuff but if you going to be hitting rock gardens and trails like you said you might as well know that.

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>ride emtb over 10km to get to trail
>enjoying riding up and down very steep firetrail
>only a superman would be able to ride up these trails without the most absolute granny gear
>someone who drove to the trail head says that's cheating

Emtb is just more fun. Fuck haters.

Posting only the top part until i get the battery mounting sorted out and to keep this thread from dying.

Fully DIY bbshd full sus bike.

11-51t on the rear cassette 38t front chainring, shortened cranks to keep up.
absurd torque this thing goes uphill like nobodies business, never gets hot, the day I took this I climbed a 900m tall mountain with it, then went down to sea level and then climbed it again.

Modified current sensing system and mosfets, eats 45amps+ for a total of ~2.5kw from a custom made 52v battery with a 60amp jbd esc.

I'm currently developing a torque sensing system for it as it famously lacks one.

I keep adding weight on this thing, after i took this photo i threw some 1700gram each DH tires on it,

2.5mm thickened brake rotors because I love my life.
The bike did not come with a dropper post so i bought one for about 120eur, I think its the number one thing to get on an ebike in terms of safety and everything else, best upgrade, will improve your aerodynamics, range, will reduce the risk of otb, will go downhill easier and cut corners far easier.


may post more once i fit the custom battery on the inner triangle, its just so hard in those new full sus designs

>>2030791
>Chinese tech trend-following company sells over-juiced motor with 6 months of reliability data in existence
>PEAK!
You know bafang gives you extra torque too

Oh hey a dedicated thread. I'm a big guy who likes the outdoors and I want a full suspension electric mountain bike for city or trail/hills riding - but nothing super extreme I don''t plan to do super rough trails on it.
I have about 2-3 thousand dollars to spend. What would you recommend?

>>2037789
Polygon

>>2037789
>fat guy
>wants a full suspension emtb for... city riding
yup thats the target demographic

>>2037919
no i also hike and go deep in the forest, I want it for both
anyways I went to the bike shop and the guy suggested an Aventon Adventure 2 obviously not a mtn bike, but he said with fat tires it can do just as well cuz I'm really more planning to take it on forest roads not so much singletrack actual trails, he also suggested a Surly e-cargo bike, and Salsa brand e-mtb seem to be the most affordable entry point into *real* full suspension mtb, but the guy at the store suggested the rear suspension would require a lot of expensive maintenance and I should consider going without it
but I feel like you get a lot more comfort with a rear suspension, but what do I know
what do you guys think?

>>2037789
Jones HD/e with bafang 500w.

>>2037984
Better off getting a suspension seatpost, I run a Brooks springer saddle on my cargo ebeast and it works fine as well. If you go with a hub motor, torque sensor style is better for trail riding, cadence sensor doesn't cut it. Mid-drive is preferable, but be prepared to shell out more $, however ride quality is much better.

>>2003364
I agree of its got a throttle. Its a motor vehicle and needs to stay off trails. If it's just pedals assist then you still ride it like a normal bike. You can make a case for an emtb with the modern agressive geometry full suspension bikes. They have evolved to be practically enduro bikes and are a chore to climb with pedal bob and a slack head tube angle. It was to the point that these bikes were being driven to the top of the trailhead and rode down. At least with a mid drive pedal assist embt you can climb up the trail and get your heart rate up.

>>2010907
You don't know how to ride. You balance your mass with your legs/core and the saddle is only used for support. You're not supposed to put your weight on the saddle. I'm a fat ass and even I know and experience this as I become a better rider. I know i'm shot on a ride when I drop a leg down and put my weight into the saddle and bars.

>>2037984
Just get a steel fat tire bike and put a mid drive pedal assist from bangfag on it

Hey guys. I've been riding my shitty analog bike from MEC as my primary transportation for the past 3 years and the internal gearhub on it (shimano nexus 5 speed) is finally starting to die.

I'm thinking of upgrading to an e-bike but here's what I'm looking for
>As cheap as possible but not chinese parts
>Mid-drive with a torque sensor
>No fat tires
>Prefer high bar
>Don't need a throttle
>Battery has to be replaceable

I don't want a mobility scooter and too many of the e-bikes I've seen are marketed for fat people or old people who haven't ridden a bike in 20 years. My region is hilly so all I'm really just looking for a regular bike with some added juice to get up hills and improve range.

I've been looking for something like pic rel, the Gazelle T9 HMB, but it's out of stock everywhere in my size. Are there any other makers/models I should be looking at, Bosch is the motor I was looking for but I've heard others like Yamaha make comparable products?

Would it be viable to buy an E-MTB and put road tires on it? The form factor seems closer to what I want than the shitty cruisers that most commuter bikes look like.

>>2039757
I got a Benno Escout from Upway about 18 months ago, very similar to that Gazelle (rigid fork instead of suspension), brand new for over 50% off of retail, plus got about $700 worth of racks and bags included in the deal. I test rode other mid drives and liked the Bosch the most, although Shimano is nice, too, but not as many shops will service them compared to Bosch. Another commuter style bike to check out is the Diamondback Union, can find NOS of both version 1 and 2 for around $2000, also Bosch class 3.

Losing my mind over all these Trek Verve+ bikes that are 45% off but only available for pickup in Quebec, what the fuck

Ship to me you french retards, why are they so cheap there?

>>2039763
>Hon hon hon, faire du e-vélo c'est souffrir.

>>2039759
Any recommendations for other cheap Shimano mid drive bikes? I'm seeing at least a couple places selling them locally so I think I would be able to get it serviced.

>>2039767
Motobecane has a few, check out Bikes Direct.

>>2039770
This site is pretty schizo but the bikes seem fine, is it legit? I'd have to have them ship it to Canada.

>>2039776
Yeah, don't know why their site layout is so dated, but they're legit.

What's the difference between these two:
https://www.bikesdirect.com/products/motobecane/e-bikes-electric-bicycles/ebikes-electric-bikes-elite-eadventure-ltd.htm
https://www.bikesdirect.com/products/motobecane/e-bikes-electric-bicycles/ebikes-electric-bikes-elite-eadventure-team.htm

I was just gonna get the cheapest one they have but I do kind of want the upgraded battery so I'm looking at the LTD

Actually I better hold off since I think I'd have to pay tariffs at the border anyway so I wouldn't end up saving much money

Maybe I'll just get a new gear hub for my shit bike

I ended up getting a decent deal on a Norco Indie VLT 1 locally. Shimano 6100, 504 WH battery so I'm pretty happy with it.

Any recommendations for a basic GPS system? There's a lot of bike routes around me that I want to try out this summer.

I guess to specify I'm looking for the cheapest GPS unit that will show a map with a line that I can follow... I don't need any extra features or fitness stuff really. Does anybody make like a stripped down cycling computer that's just the GPS functionality and screen?

>>2039832
>Norco Indie VLT 1
Looks like a sweet ride, esp at a deal price.

>>2039852
I've been doing a lot of reading since I got it. Interesting thing I learned is that Norco offers a lifetime warranty on their frames as of 2024, even for bikes produced since 2014. So even after the 2 year warranty is up, if my e6100 dies it might be a fun project to upgrade to an EP8 or something and keep the frame. Even the batteries should fit, gen 2 Shimano batteries can slot into the gen 1 internal compartment that I have even if they don't work with my current drive unit. Shimano gets a lot of shit but they're kinda based for keeping the engine/battery mounts the same across generations imo.

>>2039839
Attach your phone to it, securely and easingly.

Carry a gun if you're afraid of stealers. I'm thinking of a gps tracker for mine.

Here's the Norco I (>>2039757) ended up getting. The GPS is a cheap Chinese one but it still has a GPS chip and it's fine for making google maps routes and exporting them as .gpx files. I took the front light off and put on the handlebar light from my old bike because the position of the e-bike light kept hitting the bike rack and other stuff when I was trying to lock it. I have a 2nd battery in the tube bag but it was probably overkill, nice to have peace of mind if it's really windy or hilly though.

It's a really nice bike, pretty much exactly what I wanted. Feels like I got a middle quality e-bike for an entry level price, it's nothing special but the extra stuff like the dropper post is useful since I commute on it as well.

Went touring and rode 200km in 2 days on the weekend and I was glad to have the extra battery. Weight makes a big difference, not sure what I'll cut out next time.

>E-moped drivers thinking they're MTBers