Let's discuss bike tires here.

>tfw after two years and ~6,500 miles on it, it's time to replace my rear gatorskin because I've gotten two flats from tiny shards of metal within the past week

Quick flats from minor shit is always my sign that it's time to retire it, it's also peeling in a few spots. I have rotated it before this, last May.

I know you guys meme them here, but I've only used GS on my bike, these were my 6th set. I was going to try the Continental 4 Seasons because I heard it has a nicer ride than GS for not too much worse flat prevention, but a seller on Amazon was selling a GS pair like new in packaging for $68 so I couldn't pass it up. This is my only bike for everything that I use almost exclusively for commuting and transportation

I never liked my gatorskins much, I got a lot of flats but then again 700x25 lol

since I went toobless 32 I haven't had a flat in like 11k miles. lot of different kinds of tires but mostly grabblekangz

>>2035256
OP here that’s what mine are 700x25s

For your use case it's fine. I use to commute to school and ran gatorskins, worked fine for that function.
Would I run them for enjoyment/speed?
no
But they do ride better then harsher tires like schwalbe marathons.

I run cheapest CST tires
you don't need more

>>2035260
I’m kind of both ways on it. I do only bike for commuting so having tough tires is good, but at the same time I do like to reach decent speed to make good time on my commutes. It would have been nice if I could have tested some 4 seasons to see if I notice a difference, but I wasn’t going to drop the $110 on a pair of them and then if I don’t like them I’m fucked, plus then having to drop another decent amount to get gator skins again

>>2035254 (OP)
Why do you guys choose such heavy tires?
I use GP5ks for years on all my bikes, even my fixed gear bike.
They last decently long, roll unbelievable good and cornering is also great.
Bought 5 in a sale last year for 30€/piece, they are gonna last some time.

>>2035265
>30 euros each
so the store had a sale and took a 50% loss on a very popular tire? sure bro

>>2035264
Personally I run cheap tires I find on deals via ebay and most are faster then gatorskins so I am happy. In my mind if you bought a tire you should run it, then deal with the thing next time.

>>2035266
>50% loss
?? I can shop them for around 40-50€ around here.
They last 4000-5000km so i dont think thats expensive at all.

>14.000km
>not a single puncture

gonna try p zero race tlr speecore for this summer
slightly less protection for more speed

>>2035267
I’m gonna keep 4 seasons on eBay saved search. Maybe a cheap used will come up, but I don’t think having only one will help me notice a difference

>>2035254 (OP)
I've had GP 5000 AS on my commuter since last summer and couldn't be happier with them. The same fast compound as on the GP5K's but a thicker tread. Haven't had a single puncture yet.

>>2035261
based
got a pair of these on clearance 5 years ago and they won't fucking die
pump them to 55 and they roll great too

>>2035298
>buying used tires
ehhhh. Used tires are worth nothing.
maybe buy regret buy tires that haven't been ridden. I do that.
even then tires often crack sidewalls just from sitting so your 'like-new' tire might be junk.

>>2035265
Why do you care much about being fast? You're not a... race-ist are you? Who cares if i roll on 1kg tires, a flat wastes more time than however many seconds you're saving using race-ist tires

Recommend me some 26x2.2 tires that roll well and are cheap. Ideally with a little tread for dicking around the woods but mostly slick is fine

Can't seem to find CST tires

>>2035379
No i dont race but why would i want to make the most efficient machine on earth slower with shitty tires? To save 50 bucks? Cycling for me is pushing the limits on how far or fast i can make myself go with my own strength. I jusg love the feel when everything is nearly maxxed out to be as efficient as possible.

>>2035379
Brother, 1kg tires are like 1mph slower. it's no freaking joke how slow they are.
>>2035389
michelin country dry
conti race kings
whatever small block looking tire you can find(dry weather).
For wet run a BIG knob with space.

nice

>>2035390
>she'd rather min-max for racing against herself in her mind
>instead of min-maxing for distance and durability
It's not just $50 saved, it's $50 saved every season. Your condom thin race tires won't last more than a season (if you ride for real)

>>2035395
Have you tried not being weak? Slow is an incentive to push hard which makes strong

>>2035468
filtered
You don't understand that you will always be slower with slow tires.
You Will Never Be A Winner

>>2035469
Not every ride is about critical racing theory

>>2035471
loser

Love my Schwalbe Marathon Mondial
Somewhat heavy, but roll fairly decent, good on all terrain and easily last 15000km without a flat.

I put these on my crabon racer wheels the other day. They were a bitch to install but they look pretty good I have to say. I haven't done much aggressive riding on them yet, so time will tell.

reposting from other thread
>buy a gravel bike from local manufacturer
>rims are hookless, no info on them
>mention at one of their shop if I can put tubeless
>they tell me no cus it hookless
>look up online
>schwalbe says their tires will work on hookless if the tire meets hookless standard
should I buy tires, tape n shit and try fitting them at home? am I missing something? current tires are vee tire rail 700x40c MPC compound

>>2035265
Punctures

>>2037472
I don't know I ride old hooked rims with tubes+tires.
I would just look for tires that say hookless compatible+keep the old tires and compare the new ones in the bead seat area.
Generally you want TIGHT fitting tires with a hookless system, since, the hook on older designs is to help the tire stay on better.

I bought the new G-One Comp budget tires on a whim and like them a lot so far. I still use tubes so they were a lot easier to fit than other gravel tires. Kinda heavy but they roll well. Good amount of profile for my mixture of pavement/gravel too. Somewhere in-between the Gravelking SK and SS.

>>2035586
>tfw they don't seem to make them in 26" anymore
Mine were indestructible, the shit I pulled out of them, thorns, glass, nails, whatever. No punctures.

schwalbe ice spiker pro for winter
continental race kang protection for summer
also chink tpu tubes

>>2035307
I have the 4k version of the AS, called GrandPrix All rounder, same idea but 4k black chili, lower tpi (3/180 vs 3/330 gp4k/5k) but still black chili. Lower tpi gives just a longer wearing harder slightly more durable case backed with a slightly stronger but heavier protection strip (polyx vs vectran). Imo this tire hits the ideal balance for use as an everyday tire in shitty roads without sacrificing much performance or speed. I'm close to wearing out these set and will upgrade to the 5k AS. Before this I was on GrandSports which is the same tire but truegrip silica compound, basically gatorsports with better performance because less puncture protection and they're not a bad tire either, just black chili tire compound makes that much an upgrade

>>2035467

>if you ride for real (tm)

Where the hell do you guys ride that requires such robust puncure protection?
For the last 5 years I’ve done 20-30000 km on tires like gravelking, conti ultra sport, billy bonkers etc. Not exactly hard wearing tires.
It’s been road, gravel, commutes and city riding.
The few flats I’ve had have been snakebites and since doing a tubeless setup with my gravelking tires I’ve never had a flat.

>>2037527
Probably american cities, or they just REALLY don't want to get a flat going to work, which is a great reason.
I used to run gatorskins and am pretty sure I never got a flat with them over years of short commutes.

>>2037527
>conti ultra sport
muh nigga
Been riding 32mm ultra sports through city grime almost daily for two years now, only one flat.
I'm now confident enough to use them for multi day bike packing trips. For that I currently use 32mm conti contact speeds with mid puncure protection (0 flats yet, while my friend on gatorskin hardshells got a flat on the same trip).

Years before I only rode 28mm premium tires: 4 seasons and GP5ks. I just can't justify blowing so many tatas on bike tires anymore. On wider tires, the rubber formula does not matter so much anyways since the air cushion has a bigger share on ride behaviour.
Don't fall for expensive shit you don't need frens. Hell put Muc Off inner tube sealant in the tube if you're that paranoid.

>>2035467
50 bucks a year seems like an excellent bargain for improving my ride in every way but I may feel differently when the trump depression kicks into high gear, so far we're still in the early stages

>>2037527
Between November and April street sweeping is suspended so a lot of the street drinking shits their broken glass everywhere. I had a pair of ultra sports get a flat within a week. I had a set of Vittoria corsas slashed widthwise completely through within a week because of broken glass. I can't roll race tires in the winter months

>on a downhill
>me and buddies stop pedaling
>i almost instantly start overtaking them
i love these mfs like you wouldnt believe

>>2035254 (OP)
heard that gatorskin ultras are terrible at gripping tarmac, and that they're deadly in the wet.
any truth to that?

t. just fitted gatorskin ultras

>>2035254 (OP)
>gatorskins with 7k miles on them
OP you might as well be riding flat tires

>>2037565
gatorksins are all around pretty terrible for anything besides massively overbuilt puncture protection. 4000 miles between two different sets of GP5K clinchers (23c and 28c) on two different bikes and only a couple pinch-flats to speak of. I've experienced cuts in the tread sure but only one somewhat noteworthy one. Vectran layer is very legit.

Still running that tire but it's about to be replaced anyhow- with my weight and the gradients here there's lots of braking and some ocassionally decent watts which takes a toll. Wear indicator is all but gone. Might go with Pirellis next, not sure. This bike might fit a 25c but I'm not certain, 28 is a definite no go.

If I build my dream bike this year like I envision I'm looking at ENVE SES Race Days in a size 30. Tires are consumable yes and premium rubber costs money but almost nothing else improves the ride as much.

>>2037565
My experience with gatorskins
>no flats
>last a decent time
>front tire sounds plasticy in hard corners+not confidence inspiring
>not great wet weather grip.
I prefer cheap tires like conti super sports/ultra sports. They are unironically faster and I still don't get flats.

>>2037554
do you even ride skinsuit and aerobars on a triathlon machine or even faster a recumbent?
What tf are you talking about when you say 'improve in every way' faggot?

>>2037585
>>2037587
Cheers lads.

I'll stick with them for nowm just go slow in the wet and round corners

>>2037593
so it turns out that good tires make me faster AND are more comfy AND flat less AND have better grip, the only "downside" is the price of two personal burrito taxis

is that too much for me to spend without upsetting you? why don't you just buy more money?

Is there any reason to buy anything other than gp5k’s

>>2037755
there's like 20 different kinds of gp5k and the prices are all over the place, so yeah I would say if you're trying to tiremaxx it would be stupid to limit yourself to one company's line of high end road tires

>>2037737
If you're coming from marathon plus (also expensive btw) and switch to GP5Ks there will be a day and night difference for sure.
Switching from ultra sports to 4x more expensive GP5ks will have a smaller effect than adjusting front and rear tire pressure for actual weight distribution and most people don't even do that.
It's only weight weening at that point. I'm 194cm 85kg. With two bottles my system weight is 100kg+. Idgaf what my tires weigh

>>2037755
They are expensive and I like supporting the underdogs.

>>2037791
I had ultra sports once and they were a flat magnet. I don't weigh my tires either but why go out of your way to get boat anchors? I'm running pirelli p zeros now. No idea what they weigh but I like the way they ride and they got a high puncture store on that website

Buying shitty tires just seems like an extremely wrong way to save money. I can just skip the nice bottle of wine in the middle of the week and boom, I just paid for my "fancy weight weenie" (lol) tires

>>2037799
This.
Assuming we're not talking BSO's, the one component that will have the most dramatic impact on ride quality, handling, performance and general QoL is the choice of tyre.
It's your interface with the earth, they rotate generating considerable forces, weight really fucking matters and does not always correlate with durability. Cheap compounds are cheap for a reason, if the cheapest were also the best there'd be no competition, we'd all be riding Ali express specials.

It's up to each individual rider to decide which elements matter the most
>Durability
>Comfort
>Weight
>Puncture resistance
>Rolling resistance
>Cost

You need to arrange those criteria in order of importance, and then see which tyres most closely match your requirements.

>>2037804
I would also add aesthetics to the list, but it should be low down. My order of preference is as follows.

>Rolling resistance
>Weight
>Comfort
>Aesthetics
>Durability
>Puncture resistance
>Cost

That's why I go for Rene Herse

>>2037737
I don't understand what a burrito taxi is

>>2037755
I put them on my fast bike size 28 and I must say I'm impressed

>>2037488
feels like taking a boat anchor off

>>2037804
my order of preference
>size
>cost
>durability
>rolling resistance
>comfort
>puncture resistance
>weight
That's why I run weird tires I find cheap, and since they are narrow to fit old road bikes all of them are pretty fast, well, unless they are gatorskins/marathons/etc.

>>2037804
I wonder if a tool exists that allows you to filter a database of all tyres rated by the listed criteria to help you find the ones that most closely match your own requirements? If not why not? It would be very popular.

>>2038030
I think size is a fair addition. Aesthetics needs to stay in though and I added grip.

my order of preference
>Grip
>Size
>Weight
>Rolling resistance
>Aesthetics
>Cost
>Comfort
>Durability
>Puncture resistance
That's why I run Panaracer Smoke 'n' Dart Classics in 2.3.

>>2037488
>>2037977
Cheers bro. I’m thinking of trying TPU tubes out on my road bike - but maybe makes sense on the 90s MTB too. I’ve been eying Race Kangs for the latter as well.

>left bike out in the sun for too long
>decide to haul it back inside
>front tire is flat
>TPU exploded at the spoke hole
FML
TPU's bulging at the spoke holes normal?

>>2038429
I don't know

>>2038429
shouldn't the rim tape stop that?????

>>2038434
No idea. I just used what came with the rims. What type of rim tapes should I go for? Are these ones from Panaracer any good?

>>2038439
originally Velox was the standard but now I don't think it matters too much. there's not much to rim tape so any brand should make a passable product. panaracer makes great tires so I would definitely trust that.
the last time I needed some I just used 2 layers of gaffer tape that I had around the house, which is also a fabric type of tape. it's worked perfectly and I happen to to be running tpu on them, also.

>>2038439
I would check before you buy, but the only way tubes get punctured by spokes is too long of spokes, bad rim tape, or bad tubes.

>>2038455
>only way tubes get punctured by spokes is too long of spokes, bad rim tape, or bad tubes.
wisdom

>need to get the tightest tires ever experience off again because the wheel is off balance by 3 grams
autism?

>>2038475
I don't understand, You are removing your entire tire because of a balance issue? What's the plan here, exactly?

i just had to replace my front tire with a new gatorskin tire. it was extremely difficult to put on, i have to use a bead jack tool to get them on, and i was concerned that i pinched the tube but everything looked ok. then after i put it on and pumped it up and started walking away, i heard a boom and hiss, and the tube was sticking out. i pinched it against the rim and it blew a hole in the tube for the first time ive ever experienced

im such a failure.

>>2038647
I think a significant part of why people hate memeskins is they're the first tire people intentionally choose when they start thinking about tires, and that's also when they're at the most mechanically challenged and make a lot of memorably obnoxious errors

>>2038648
i get memeskins because i have always had a good experience with them. i get pretty few flats, ride a decent speed not trying to set any records, and im strictly a commute biker while also usually wearing a backpack and/or have a pannier bag or two on so i have additional bulk too. doesnt really seem like i need to shell out for some expensive racer tires like a gp5k when im not racing or trying to really push it on times.

>>2038650
yeah that's why you're a noob. you have such a narrow view of what's out there and the compromises you think you need to make. you may never progress past that point and that's fine, but the ones who do inevitably look back with awe at how committed they were to a totally arbitrary tire pick

>>2038647
That's life. Lots of failing till you succeed. My tip is for tires that don't want to mount, leave them in the sun/warm them up. Also use some lube.
If you had an extra rim lying around getting that tire on that one without a tube, then letting it stretch out over time would have helped.

>>2038458
It wasn't punctured by the spokes, it just blew up because heat expanded the air inside the tube through the spoke hole.

>>2037791
Wouldn't that bike look more elegant, if those stays were flipped so the curve was downwards?

>>2038475
You can buy lead foil tape, used for golfing (to balance the head I think... not a golfer), but you can also use it to balance your rims. Either because of the valve stem, or variation in the construction of the tire tread/casing/etc.
Not the sort of thing you can chat about with normies, but you already recognize autism for what it is.

if I don't care that much about durability or price, what's a fast and with very good puncture protection clincher for urban commute?
had too many flats for my liking with gp5000

>>2035256
>I haven't had a flat in like 11k miles

sounds a bit too good to be true but i'm also making a jump as extreme as 25 with latex tubes to 32 tubeless and i guess i'll see for myself how things go

im reporting back AGAIN because while 4chan was down, after literally FIFTY MILES on my new gatorskins, i ran over a big ass piece of glass that i never even saw, and it punctured my tube. literally 50 fucking miles, i usually get over 1,000 before my first flat. i couldnt believe what i was seeing. and the tear it put in the tire was large enough that i was able to fill the tire slit with rubber cement and super glue to get it back together. 100 miles later and i havent had any issues, but that was fucking bullshit. the god damn little rubber hairs going down the center of the tire were still on, thats how few miles were on it, for god sakes.

Can we talk about fit?

Why does every source give different info regarding what tyre width is ok with what rim? I have 3 sets of 700c clincher wheels. Inner rim width for each is 16.5mm, 17mm and 19mm.

Depending on which chart I'm looking at I can run anything from 28mm up to 32 mm tyres on the smallest rims, but then something extraordinary happens at the 17mm inner width mark, suddenly because of an extra .5 mm width you can mount 28mm - 50mm or even
some 90ers. And 18-19 mm means every tyre on earth is safe.

Which chart is the best and most sane?
help a retard out, what are the maximum tyres I can run on my rims, I want fat comfy tyres not skinny bone shakers.

>>2038988
The answer is it depends.
Are your wheels new or old? Before tubeless, wheel and tire makers were more lax about the manufacturing tolerances since it didn't matter as much whether you'd get an airtight seal. Even if you're gonna use tubes, the fit and compatibility is gonna be better with modern components.

In the early days of MTB, everyone was running 50-60mm tires on skinny rims.
You'd find many bikes factory specced with setups of 17mm rims and 55mm tires.

> I want fat comfy tyres not skinny bone shakers
What kind of riding and how fat are we talking?

The ETRTO standard is pretty conservative, but go outside it at your own risk. I wouldn't worry much about it unless you're doing extreme riding or using extreme pressures.

You going tubeless or nah?

>>2038990
Thanks for the reply.

I ride mainly 26ers but over the years collected some lovely 700c wheelsets, tough old wheels but low mileage. For example my 19mm are Mavic Module 4s which were designed for touring and tandems, they're laced to XT hubs. The 16.5mms are Campagnolo Melbourne's also laced to 90s MTB hubs. My riding is about 50/50 road and light gravel, but round here the roads can be rougher than the trails,

recently I bought an old steel hybrid frameset that has clearance in excess of 55mm front and rear, and I really want to try some wider tyres on it, just to try it out to be honest. I guess I can use the 19mm with something like a 45-50mm tyre and see how it goes.

I won't be going tubeless.

>>2038988
A good rule of thumb is to multiply your inner rim width by 1.2 and 2.0. The results are your sane min and max tire widths. Going any smaller than that is pointless even if it works because it means you're using a much wider/heavier rim than you need to. And going with a tire wider than 2x will work to a point, but it's not smart because it pinches the tire into a 'lightbulb' profile and you'll need to run higher pressures to keep the tire from folding over the rim, which negates the main advantage of a wider tire.

Quickie:
Conti's Gran Sport Race from ali in 32, good for road riding?

>>2039012
They're not bad for every level tires, they're basically ultra sports with a nylon based puncture protection later, so they do perform a bit worse than ultra sports but ultra sports have no puncture protection at all. They're heavy for road tires of their size, high end tires can weigh half the weight, however, nylon is a very elastic material and that makes this tire surprisingly comfy for its size as well, having a nylon casing and nylon protection. So basically, you can view these tires as a heavier duty ultra sport or a lighter duty gatorskin because puregrip compound. I ran a set of 28s for courier work one season and I'll say this tire is courier approved. With that said, there's much better tires but for the price-performance value these are hard to beat. Final thing however, if you can bump your budget up to black chili instead of puregrip, it's worth the upgrade

>>2039027
With that said, there's much better tires but for the price-performance value these are hard to beat.
NTA but can you give recommendations? Currently running ultra sport 3s on my road bike. Preferably 23s since that's the only thing that fits it. The ultra sport is bigger than what I imagined. Thought I could run 25s (zero seat tube clearance at 90-100 psi) but that was not the case sadly.

>>2039039
>NTA but can you give recommendations?
What are some things you're seeking from a tire upgrade? What's more important to you, performance, protection, or price?

>>2039039
>NTA but can you give recommendations?

Fill out the form lad, arrange in order of importance to you, we'll do the rest.

>Grip
>Size
>Weight
>Rolling resistance
>Aesthetics
>Cost
>Comfort
>Durability
>Puncture resistance

>>2039043
price > protection/performance. I'm just a regular dude that rides bikes for recreation and commuting.

>>2039045
Cost
Comfort
Puncture resistance
Durability
Size (700x23c/ Might go for 25c if they fit unlike the ultra sports)
Aesthetics
Grip
Rolling Resistance
Weight

>>2039047
>Cost
>Comfort
>Puncture resistance
>Durability
>Size (700x23c/ Might go for 25c if they fit unlike the ultra sports)
>Aesthetics
>Grip
>Rolling Resistance
>Weight

Schwalbe Marathon Plus SmartGuard 700x25c

You put cost, comfort and puncture resistance at the top, but 'actual' puncture resistance costs money and comes with a comfort penalty. You could run lower pressure which would increase comfort, but would also increase chances of flats.

What I think ticks the most important boxes for you is Schwalbe Marathon Plus SmartGuard in 25c, they are often available in sales and can be picked up quite cheap. The comfort isn't fantastic but as rolling resistance isn't important to you lower pressure will help.

>>2039027
thanks anon, that's the kind of feedback I was looking for. I absolutely despise flats, I've been running gravelking slicks for a while and though they're great overall confort, I wanted them to be a bit more puncture resistant (and cost a lot less as well lmao)

>>2039062
nta but big fat tires with low PSI are a much better way to reduce flats than spamming it with nylon fibers. if you can embiggen your carcass, always go for that first, assuming nothing else matters

>>2035254 (OP)
how much does compound matter compared to tread?
i got a cheap xc mtb that came with schwalbe rocket ricks but i ended up mostly riding asphalt and gravel cause the trials suck here
ordered some 700x44c mezcals gravel endurance tyres now just wondering how much of a difference it will even make
i checked that rolling resistance website but they havent tested the schwalbe tyres

>>2039094
Compound is everything. The fastest XC tires in the 2-2.2” range have lower resistance than even the best gravel specific tires. Even slicks.
Tread pattern does not matter.
The aero penalty of fat tires become bigger the faster you go.

>>2039096
the mezcals will probably be better then
you can't even buy the rocket ricks, i think they only get put on budget bikes, atleast i cant really find them online

>>2039096
>Tread pattern does not matter.
It doesn't until it does. Thread is important when pushing hard in loose, muddy, or rocky surfaces, that's outside the scope of casual riding though and very terrain dependent, which makes recommendation difficult as every terrain is unique

>>2035307
The 5K AS are actually a softer rubber than the regular 5K. So slightly more rolling resistance but much better grip.

>>2038449
Velox tape doesn't work well, if at all, with modern rims. It's too thick. I think it's also shittier than it used to be, like the glue doesn't stick well. If you're going for ultra light weight, polyimide tape (pic related) is a good option. It's available in all sorts of widths and can do tubeless.

>>2039117
>The 5K AS are actually a softer rubber than the regular 5K. So slightly more rolling resistance but much better grip.
Offset by 4x110 tpi vs 3x110 in the regular gp5k, the extra casing layer makes for a harder but more durable tire, it also reduces traction and increases mass, maybe a softer compound balances the traction difference

>>2039094
got the mezcals
was a bit of a pain in the ass to mount them since i had to go and buy tire levers
they ride really well, roll easier than the schwalbe tires with less pressure(i had them pumped to like 60psi iirc) and are a lot more comfortable

Bought a wheel set with Mavic CXP30s and from the off had slight tyre wobble. Didn’t seem to matter with 23mm or 25mm tyres. I had a blow out potentially caused by glass but I’m not sure given its likely because of this split on the bead.

Shall I replace the tyre again and hope for the best or rebuild the wheel with new wider rims? To add I replaced the rim tape and went over the inside / outside of the rim.

how much of an impact does having tyres mounted the wrong way have on ride quality? Is the effect more or less for off road tyres vs semi slicks. I remember BITD some riders deliberately mounting rear tyres the wrong way in MTB races.

>>2039285
there's actually no "right" or "wrong" way it's just relative to the coriolis effect so most documentation just assumes you live in the northern hemisphere. the "best" way is literally rule of thumb: hold your dominant hand out in front of your face and extend the thumb. or to put it in simpler terms, if your *left* hand controls the *rear* brake, the sipes should angle towards the rear of the bike

>>2039287
so if your right hand is the rear brake, then you want the sipes to angle to the front?
how the fuck does dominant hand and brake lever position have anything to do with the tire engaging the ground? the brake engages exactly the same no matter what hand pulls the lever and where the lever is on the bar. you're saying the sipes on the tire will pull you off balance if you're only holding on with the brake on your dominant hand? that's gotta be so minute as to be bullshit, like high-end audio pay pigs.

anyhow, someone here cited some source that claimed that the tread and rotation designation on road tires is just for show because buyers expect it. which kinda makes sense except on the wet it gives the water somewhere to go which *might* be direction dependant. but I didn't read the source so maybe he was bullshitting.

how bad is this?
marathons

explain how this isnt the most trustworthy tread ever

>>2040250
dryrot.
take it for some short rides and find out. i dont understand why the green part is showing when there is still plenty of tread in the center

>>2039274
>Bought a wheel set with Mavic CXP30s and from the off had slight tyre wobble. Didn’t seem to matter with 23mm or 25mm tyres
the wheel had a wobble or the tyre had a wobble, i dont understand. your post seems to imply the rim had a wobble.

that tyre is possibly bootable, try and boot it to find out.
tru your rim to remove wobble in the wheel.

>>2039285
been riding bmx for 25 years and never pay attention to direction of tire mounting and the bike always seems to feel the same. occasionally having people telling me my tyres are backwards

>>2039285
>>2039308
With a slick tire the only difference is that tire with a distinct siping pattern will throw more water off the side instead of at the bike/rider, but the pattern doesn't have any impact to your contact patch on the ground since the rubber deforms to match the pavement. For knobby tires the shape of the knobs can allow them to be stiffer or more flexible in a particular plane. There are some designs where the knobs are all uniform and the tire orientation doesn't matter, but in general you sacrifice traction on loose surfaces (for braking, cornering, and acceleration) if you run a knobby tire backwards.

>>2040250
I think the green bit is still part of the tread cap? I'd ride it until you can see the casing underneath.

>>2040257
A tread pattern like that is just for show. It's not going to do anything for you on pavement that a slick road tire can't, and offroad the gaps between knobs are too small to give you any meaningful amount of extra traction.

>>2040258
it's on the used bike I rode home 14km and it was perfectly fine. guy said they were outside 4 years.

>>2040261
by casing you mean the tube? or is casing something else?
I think the puncture protection should be pretty thick either way

>>2040250
>Marathons
The green is the foam puncture protection layer. They dead dead.

>>2040277
I've been riding on them for days and it doesn't seem to be having any issues

>oh no my tire is dry rotted and flaking apart
>eh it seems fine im just gonna ride it anyway
how much is a new tire
Why do you ride bikes so slowly that you aren’t bothered by this
im sure if you start a gofundme rn /n/ will buy you a gp5000

>>2040296
like 40 dollars... I got the bike for 30.
I ride like 30kmh.
is it actually dangerous? it is the back wheel
it's weird that it's on the side like other anon said.
isn't there a way to repair it somehow? like use vulcanising glue to put piece of old tube on the inside?

I don't know yet how to even remove the weeks from it, cause it's an internal hub and I only had derailer before

>>2040299
it's like this, right? so it shouldn't be a safety problem if just the green is showing

>>2040299
I wouldn’t run it. but that’s because if my tire lets go at speed il gonna die, run it if you want, i wouldn’t run dry rotted tires on a car and i wouldn’t run them on a bike but if you tryna spend 0 dollars i respect that

>>2040259
The rim is true. I was having tyre wobble with multiple types of tyres, presumably due to seating issues. It seems to have reduced with the latest pair I’ve tried.

I was wondering if there is a conventional wisdom with whether modern tyres are designed with modern rim diameters in mind.

My sense is there’s a bigger risk of pinch punctures running 25mm tyres below 100psi with narrower rims.

Although I may have always been running my 25mm tyres too low between 90psi given I’m 80kg.

>>2040302
it's not even close to the casing, it's fine.

>>2040299
>>2040300
main thread is good so probably someone was doing brake drifts on it.

I posted this early 2024...

>>2040410
Déjà-vu

>>2035254 (OP)
I want to get another bike and the reason I stopped riding is because after 5 years I got so fucking sick and tired of changing inner tubes every 2-3 fucking months. Is there some kind of tire that exists where I don't have to do this stupid bullshit come on its 2025 you can't tell me we're still doing this inner tube bullshit

>>2040448
yeah it's called toobless and it makes retrogrouches and batavophiles seethe. the only thing is you should not toobless on anything less than 32mm tires, and you should not toobless if you are not riding regularly (because it clumps up otherwise) and in theory flats are catastrophic (but they become incredibly rare so it shouldn't be an issue for most people). you'll hear a lot of dumb nonsense about how "hookless is not for road" from the same people bitching that rim brakes suck and everyone should ride 700x19, needless to say do not listen to these people

the one thing I will say is vulcanized is mandatory, there are some "open tublar" types that are theoretically ok for tubeless but they are too shapeless to mount without headaches, and I wouldn't want to see what happens with them if they lose pressure

t. tubeless hookless chad

>>2040449
*that disc brakes suck
sorry typo, fixed that for me

>>2040449
I was riding for commute when I still rode so I rode almost daily

>>2040451
you can probably even get away with weekly, depending on how dry it is in your area. the thing is once the clumping starts it sort of builds up, it's like plaque buildup in your coronary arteries, the best treatment is to make sure it never begins in the first place

>>2040452
I just want to stop relying on the bus but I fucking hate fixing things so I was hoping there was some kind of tire that i don't have to fix like 5 times a fucking year

>>2040452
pirelli cinturato velo 700x35 and literally any brand of sealant you want and you'll never fix a flat again

you're welcome

so are cracked/dry rotted tires safe or not? I've heard that they are safe since the structural integrity comes from the carcass, and as long as that's intact its fine. but ive also heard that the rubber and carcass combine to form a matrix and that if the rubber is cracking the tire is no longer safe.

>>2040453
solid tires and solid tirw liners do exist. It must be god awful to be on one of those but recently, in beijing, I was an it was surprisingly okay. Still: I would never let such thing near my bikes.

>>2040453
I don't use tubeless or tires with flat protection, but I hardly ever get flats because I constantly scan the road ahead of me and subtly change my line as needed. offroad is obviously a different story but you didn't say what you're riding.

>>2040469
The last bike I had was an ancheer ebike, but I had a few other bikes before that

>>2040448
>>2040451
>>2040453
You rode your bike daily and think that changing the tube once every 3 months is some big burden?

>>2040455
a new tire is like 15 euros, jesus christ
>>2040448
is this bait?

>>2040489
nta but I haven't changed an inner tube in at least 20k miles, do they have caltrops for bikes where you live or what is this

>>2040491
Not bait. I was so sick and tired of changing inner tubes that I stopped riding

anyone ever use this kind of thing for surface crack/small rip repair?

>>2040520
do you also sleep on the ground because you gotta change your sheets?

>>2040539
Changing sheets is nowhere near as annoying as changing inner tubes

So my grabbel bike just came with 2 pairs of OIM tires. What the hell is OIM? There are no google results for it, and it was SUPPOSED to have kendas. Just didnt notice till now.

>>2040726
it's OEM, it just means whatever came specc'd on the bike from the shop. probably kenda

>>2035389
I NEED babymaking sex with whatever this thing is

>>2040727
Thank you anon I got scared thinking I got scammed.

>>2040532
I have used neoprene glue (which is usually for diving suits) to fill small cuts from glass shards successfully. The key is to clean the area first with isopropyl alcohol, then even distribute the liquid and smooth it with your fingers. Works for me and it takes the pain away when you're getting a deep cut in some brand new expensive tire.

>>2040926
thanks I'll give it a go.
this me >>2040250

also assuming it's better to have a weaker tyre on the back cause if it fails you won't go over the bars

>>2040930
that's good intuition.
the rear tire wears out faster because your weight is over it. it's recommended that you rotate the front tire to the rear and put the new tire on the front for that exact reason.

>>2040933
well, I'm gonna try to latch it up first cause I think it should still be good cause the tire casing itself is deeper under the rubber.
I was riding whole year on cracked to shit tires from 1994 before this.
now I got 3 used bikes and I'm commuting on a weird like hardtail with broken suspension and a 3 gear hub and 26x1.95 wheels cause can't find a decent bike lock for the better ones.
ironically that tire is on the best one of them and only the back one is worn out like that.
if I see any used marathons I'd probably get one.

this actually reminds me I wanted to ask if you guys know how I can take the wheel off of them. with the fat tired one it's simpler but I don't know how to disconnect these wheels
I should probably clean the chains before riding them god damn. don't know how to do that on coaster bikes since I can't just spin the pedals backwards.
is it possible to remove or disengage coaster brakes?

>>2040963
fug

>>2035254 (OP)
Gatorskins are such ass.

Got a fatty sidewall cut outta nowhere.
Stitched it up with some heavy duty thread and glued a repair patch inside.

Anyone had luck with this kind of repair or nah?

The tyre still has lots of tread left so binning it would feel shitty.

Hello, from the start I'll say I have no clue what I'm doing and am too broke to go get my bike serviced.
I ride it for exercise and if I have to get somewhere where buses don't reach.
I'm pretty sure my inner tube in the rear is shot because it doesn't hold air
My question is how do I know what kind of inner tube I need to buy and how do I replace it. Will I need those funny plastic spoons for lifting the tire? How can I easily take off the tire to get to the inner tube and see if it might be fixable maybe?

>>2041261
it says on the tyre which size tube you'll need and how much to pump it
yes you'll need the funny spoons and some technique to figure out how to take the tyre off decently
also get a patching kit.
both the spoons and the kit should be around 3 bucks each in decathlon

>>2041264
>it says on the tyre which size tube you'll need and how much to pump it
tire has some 27,5x2,0 writing on it so I'll look for some in that size
as for pressure I have always been going be feel on all my bikes
>yes you'll need the funny spoons and some technique to figure out how to take the tyre off decently
I see, I have broken one old screwdriver trying to take off the tire last month lol
>also get a patching kit.
I'll get that too
>both the spoons and the kit should be around 3 bucks each in decathlon
I'll pick them up within the week and finally fix my bike, thank you very much anon

>>2041228
back in the day before commercial of the shelf fat bike tires people would cut two tires lengthwise and stitch it all up again into a fat tire. You'll be fine if you dont run super high pressures.

>>2041267
Did they also put 2 tubes in per tire, or overstretch the fuck out of one?

>>2041270
Overstretch but you can also manipulate tubes. Just like you can recycle old tubes into patches you can just volcanize tubes together.
But I dont think anyone did, tubes just stretch fine.

>>2041266
if you go to e.g. the Park link in OP and type in "tube patch" it'll walk you through the whole process and there'll be a video I'm sure.

but there's probably a million different blogs and videos that are just as good. it's a bit of a faff but the concept is easy enough.

>>2041270
overstretch is a thing but the real hipsters looked for vintage tubes from when cars used tubes

what's the best budget 45mm gravel meme?

>>2041341
How budget we talking here?

>>2041346
80 or less Cad per tire

>>2035261
Their road tire bulged at the rated pressure but 70- 90 psi has been fine.

I need a 700x28mm slick that is really cheap and lasts a long time. Basically, the harder the rubber is, the better. It's for a fixed gear rear tire.
Any suggestions? <$20 if possible.

>>2041476
I'd go with plain schwalbe marathons. aka "greenguard". good flat protection and last forever.

I wore down the center knobs on the rear cheap tire on my gravel after like 600km
I can buy the same tire for like 9 euros, is that why it wore down so quickly, or is it cus I am a fat fuck?

I would rather spend 9 euros and swap my rear, by the time it gets worn out the front will be as well, my logic is sound right?

>>2041592
why not ride on the bald tire?

>>2041592
What's your braking technique like? Even condom thin road race tires last longer than that. Cheap tires usually last longer than race tires actually, because of lower tpi and harder rubber. I'm going to take a shot in the dark and guess you're using too much rear brake and skidding the tire.

>>2041529
I have posted two pictures
>>2040411
>>2040410
of two such tires ITT and they SUCK ASS.
I also had the 1.5" variant on my daily, where they didnt explode but rear didnt last much more than 20k km either. The only nice thing are the studded one if you want to keep a seperate set of winter wheels of live someplace where its freezing year round.

>>2041629
you are most likely right, now that I think about, I do prefer braking with my right arm, especially when dismounting and I do skid a bit then
I thought it was cus of my fat ass and weight distribution

>>2041639
Why even touch the rear brake, like ever, except for when you find yourself in 'technical' situations, like descending a very steep grade covered in loose gravel? I expect to find myself in such situations so rarely (<<1%) I might just dismount and walk. I probably completely lack the feel for and experience with my rear brake since there is hardly ever any scenario where you'd need that.
Unless you're into MTB and trials and stuff but that is not /n/ its /sp/.

>>2041685
nta but it's about high speed descents on unknown road surfaces for me. I don't want to hit a bump at 40mph with my finger lightly touching the front brake and tighten up and crash

might be different if you have mechanical brakes but hydro is too sensitive for that kind of thing

>>2041688
I >>2041685 am on hydaulics and don't seem to have such fear let alone problems.

>>2041690
a lot of habits are developed and lost through experience. I used to ride in the door zone too. learned my lesson.

>>2041690
>I'm right and everyone else is doinitwrong! rear brakes are a scam foisted on a gullible public by Big Bike in collision with the UCI! the pro riders only have two brakes because their sponsors make them! the CIA controls the weather!

>>2041685
im retarded and right hand dominant? and I dismount on the right, so I unlock right foot and put more prssure on right hand, idk

>>2041714
>I dismount on the right
gross, real fellas mount from the left

>>2041721
well I honestly dont know what dismount means, I first set my right foot on ground, then unclip left

ok I ordered pic rel
but sadly it was the black one cus its on sale, the tan wall is double the price

https://cycling.hutchinson.com/tyres/gravel/tundra/

I wonder if I should try to go tubeless, my rims are cheap and arent tubeless ready

>>2041691
lawmakers in my cunt unironically try to force people into the doorzone now
but you get hit anyways
cagers gonna cager

Let's talk tubeless, when is it worth it?

Seems like a no brainer in tires bigger than 2.0, lower pressures and decent couple o' grams lost from no tubes. But fuck me if it isn't a faff sometimes.

You guys ever put pepper in your tire? Reddit told me it's a spicy trick

>>2041808
>dt swiss rim
>reflector on spokes

>>2041773
Is that shit hookless?! The site is a bit confusing.
>Hutchinson tyres dedicated to gravel and mountain bike ARE compatible with both hooked and hookless rims, within the strict limits of the maximum indicated pressures.
I'm seriously wondering which way round it works.
>Compatible
So they come with no hook and they expect hooked rims to work like hookless?
The bead just needs to be thicker than sidewall, so does it form a 'hook' on the indise? Maybe that just pushes out on a hooked rim?
Anyways I just stick to tubies and also clinchers with tubes for daily shit.

>>2041775
>lawmakers in my cunt

>>2041818
AFAIK the same kind of regulation was at least widespread in the USA. Idk if its a state or federal thing but I remember Mutts law reading: Cyclists must use so called cycling infrastructure when available and are not allowed to use the main road, when such lane or path is available.
Cagers wont stop caging as you can see.

thoughts on thickslicks? very new to bikes but ive seen them around on fixies and they look so cool. cant be safe in the rain though

>>2041828
Them being standard on $300 fixies is not a sign of quality. They're cheap, thick (=heavy), and have low grip, for inexpensive easy skidding.

>>2041828
They are shit. Through and through. They do not even live up to the selling premise: Thicker rubber for the same buck to last you all season while skidding at any opportunity.
They don't even do that and effectively cost you more than the vitt randos.

>>2041808
pepper in tires is just a variant on glitter in tires. nowadays people just buy the "race day" version or "sealant additive". it does work, but the added benefit is marginal and the increase in obnoxiousness working with the sealant and tire and stem (etc) is arguably not worth the tradeoff. in short, if you're already complaining about tubeless being annoying, adding extra crap in the sealant to make it even more obnoxious is not going to make you happier

>>2041828
not great, somewhat overhyped, but not as badly overhyped as memeskins

>>2041828
>cant be safe in the rain though
Slicks are only unsafe in rain on cars due to aquaplaning.
Bicycles are too slow, and their tires too narrow for aquaplaning to be an issue.
Bicycle tire thread is mostly cosmetic, apart from knobby MTB tires for grip on sand and in mud.

>>2041834
huh, who knew. thanks for the info!
>>2041831
skidding sounds funnn tho
>>2041832
thanks for the info

>>2041834
+1
tire manufacturers sell thread pattern on road tires because the cagers expect it and think this way.
Aquaplaning can only occur past a threshold speed for a given tire contact patch, which you are not going to reach on a bicycle.
During the bad season I full send gatorskins into a steep downhill bend on my way to work in the rain every other day and it so far never bit me. Altho I switch over to a different bike when I have good reason to believe there will be ice.

>>2041834
this is a great example of "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing". just because aquaplaning doesn't happen on a bicycle does not mean wet grip doesn't matter or can't be measured

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPnEhVULtJ4

I don't know of a wet grip on metal test that's published, but disrespecting wet metal on roadways is a great way to break a bone or worse. if nothing else, a tire with good wet grip in general should (one would think) have better wet grip on metal too

>>2041837
I didn't say wet grip doesn't matter.
I said it has nothing to do with the millimeter-thin thread on bicycle road tires.

>>2041838
sure, you didn't spell it out, but what do you think anon is really more concerned with here? whether tread patterns are a marketing scam? or whether the tire he's looking at will work well in the rain?

>>2041837
No omlne here argued against wet grip. So please keep your smug remarks aboutalleged superficial knowledge to yourself. Especially when it is actually (you) who os badly mistaking. Wet road grip, under normal conditions, is mostly determined by the rubber compount. It has nothing to do with thread pattern. People here are discussing the (lack of) thread pattern on a 'thick slick' tire and not its compound (which is rubbish), in case you haven't read the thread.

>>2041842
you're the memeskin anon, I take it? no surprise to see you having a bad take on wet weather performance

>>2041845
So you're still unable to read or is it interpretation?
The point I have made here >>2041836 is very obviously that EVEN on gatorskins, you can send it into a corner at 50 in the rain and be fine. Sorry if you don't trust your bike or maybe youre the guy that somehow cant front brake descending.
Also in case you have ridden gatorskins a few times during the last decade you kay have noticed that they changed a few years back, drastically.

>>2041846
a lot of things "can be fine", in fact thickslicks are "fine", I mean like someone else said, they're standard on $300 fixies right? what's wrong with that?

this isn't reddit, I haven't damaged your karma in any way, but if it's a question of how good is such-and-such a tire, then it's fair to expect an answer of how good (relative to other tires) it actually is. if you want to make a point that anyone can get by on just about anything, fine, but that's a whole other discussion

>>2041847
LMAO. That comes from (you) after >>2041837, right? Are you sentient?

>>2041812
Yo, is it cool with you if I download this image?

>>2041858
Sorry your feelings got hurt

>>2041817
its like schwalbe tires, you can go hookless with them but lower pressure

>>2041773
those fuckers arrived
WHY CANT I PUT THEM ON WHAT THE FUGGGGGGGGGGGGGG

FUCK YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

>>2042023
nvm just let them in the sun fot a bit

desu I thought I wouldnt like black side walls, but they chill

>>2042030
I prefer them. it's like wearing a brown belt and shoes with a tuxedo, it always looks wrong to me.

Anyone tried one of Schwalbe's Addix 4 season tires? Looking at this one right now (G-One Overland 365). Only really care about good grip in the wet and comfort, in that order.

>>2042187
Forgot to mention, primarily asphalt commuting. So I could definitely make do without the knobs. It's the supposedly grippy compond that interests me.

i like brick red ritchey tires

>>2042188
if you want something grippy on asphalt knobs might not be what you want

>>2042243
Yea, really just looking for a grippy compound. Now I'm looking at Continental Top Contact Winter II Premium. Pricey, but they are what I'm looking for on paper.

>>2042324
Funny thing is, we get more rain in the summer so it would have to be on year round. Probably overkill as my previous tirees (Vee Speedster) didn't really slip anyway.

How much am I fucking up by running this tight clearance?
I’m a fair weather wuss, but still.

27.5x2.2” continental speed king crammed into 90s mtb frame.

Rides like a dream though and no problem so far with around 300km of mostly gravel.

>>2042330
I've had a QR forced aside 2-3x that clearance by just falling off the bike once. I imagine it'd be fine until some sideways force gets applied to the wheel. Seems unlikely it would kink out of place on its own and that thread ain't capturin' no rocks.

>>2042330
If the paint on the other side looks as good, I wouldn't worry.

>>2042330
IMHO there is only one way to know and it is not looking at it statically.
Just ride it and check frquently. Does the paint scuff? No? You're good. And don't listen to peoples claims about pebbles getting stuck.
Now if yours was a carbon frame I'd be even mor careful, checking more often and calling it quits as soon as I see any change to the paint. My reasoning is that those areas constantly experience water spray and its not the matrix job to keep water out of fiber compound materials. So once the paijt is gone I'd personally feel compelled to fix it.

>>2035254 (OP)
Best balloon (within 2.30-3in width max) 26in tire that's good for gravel/hardpack and asphalt and isn't expensive?

>>2042888
Oh, also light weight...

These are 700c x 45 Tetra Trails. Can I fit 27.5 by 2.2 (650b × 55) Race Kings? Seems like I might have just enough. About 1 cm either side of the tires to the chain stay.

>>2042893
Poverty grabbel shitter

>>2042893
pardon me if you feel insulted but just to make sure:
You do sure understand 650b tires will require you to change your wheels, right?
Other than that: It looks like you have the space.

Which wheels can I upgrade a DRT 1.1 to if my main focus is durability and budget? Looking to spend somewhere south of 130ish because I still gotta get one of them fancy-ass shits that charges your phone while you pedal.

It has to be durable because A) I hate changing tires and don’t want to do it on a BPing trip and B) while im practicing for the trip im doing it in a shit town with broken glass and needles in every road and no functioning sidewalk that isnt crumbled to death

>>2042906
u want wheels or tires? can you go tubeless? do you want knobby tires? what will you ride on? what size?
if you want a dynamo hub you will also need a converter, total cost will be as much as your shitter

>>2042907
tires. the rubber bit?
i CAN but dont want to because ive seen how much of a hassle tubeless is, and dont expect every town/bikeshop to necessarily have the relevant items or knowhow to fix/refill it across NA
yes
a mix; pavement, un maintained gravel, grass w/tree roots, small smooth gravel from rail trails, and rocky paths
i dunno, i assume biggest is best?
hey take it back its not a shitter. also didnt know dynamo+converter was that expensive i think maybe we give up on that addition

>>2042906
my bicycle phone charger cost me 30€. That is assuming you have a dynamo of any sort on the bike. If youre not lazy like me, a few caps, LDO, and maybe a transistor eill be alot less.
But I'm happy with the unit I got maybe 5 years ago. It still charges my phone every day.

>>2042894
>putting your bike in a truck to drive it to the bike-riding place

>>2042942
then go buy whatever you find on sale near you, check manufacturer specs how wide you can go, generally wider is better
and ye its a bottom spec bike, its one tier above BSO
>>2042978
you dont get it dude
I bought a gravel to be fast onroad as well as offroad (I drive my bike to the trails)

>>2042981
pretty sure I do get it though? what is it you don't think I get?

my new tires are uneven as fuck, so going above like 35kph the vibration is really noticable
they will wear out even overtime right?

>>2042981
>(I drive my bike to the trails)

>>2042987
Not normal, remount the tire

>>2042991
by remount do you mean just letting tire out, reseating it and pumping it up back again?
please dont tell me I have to get it off again or smth like that

>>2042981
negro i need a BRAND. NAME. SUGGESTION.

>>2042996
Let all air out, kneed it a bit all around, pump about half a bar in. Check if there's noticeable wobble when you turn it. Repeat if necessary, then pump it full when it's round.
Protip: Most of the time the wobble is at the valve. In that case, push the valve a bit further into its hole in the rim before you pump.
If you can't get the wobble out, you need to remount the tire, maybe the tube is folded over or kinked.

>>2043021
Continental, Kenda, Maxxis, Michelin, Panaracer, Pirelli, Ritchey, Schwalbe, Vittoria, WTB

>>2042987
what is this mystical place you're in

>>2043022
I remounted the tire, changed the rip tape as well
I cant get it to seat properly, there is a line going around the tire and I think its there as a marker, and on my rear wheel its like 85% following the rim, then goes inside the rim for 15 %

on the front it was about 40% outside, I cant get it to seat properly I dont know what to do, did I fuck it up by driving on it not seated properly???? I am genuinely considering giving it to a bike shop

>>2043057
how much pressure are you putting in it, you need to put a fuckload of air in and it should seat then you can put it to whatever pressure you want after
I would assume you already did that but im just saying this incase ur retarded

>>2043070
This is tubeless advice. When you're running tubes, it's a good way to splode them and get hearing damage, or shot if any cop is nearby.

>>2043070
>>2043079
I am runningtubes, under 3 bars, gonna try filling them up to 5 bars

>>2043081
IT FUCKING WORKED LESSSS GOOOOOOO
(pumped to 6 bars, bounced the tire a bit, it came out)

>>2043079
I have never touched tubeless
>>2043088
Fuck yeah man glad i could solve that for ya

>>2038937
anyone?

>>2043189
did you check the bicyclerr website?

>>2043189
fast and very good puncture protection are mutually exclusive.
Maybe possible with tubeless tires.

>>2038937
Rene Herse with 'Endurance' or 'Endurance Plus' casing. Pricey but the best commuter tyres you can get for speed, comfort and durability.

https://www.renehersecycles.com/product-category/components/tires/

>>2043193
the only thing rene herse tires are good for is showing instagram that you'll spend $100 extra on a pair of panaracers if a hipster peed on them

>>2043190
never heard of it, going to check that out
>>2043192
yeah, it seems that way
>>2043193
>>2043204
ty

>>2043233
I mean that specifically
I believed its a household name
https://www.bicyclerollingresistance.com/

>>2042324
Ended up with Continental Contact Urban.
>>2043234
Found them here, will report.
>>2043189
They also sound like you might wanna look them up as well. Cheap so they balance out the Rene Herse suggestion, I figure.

what do i get for my fun zippy vintage road bike? i can fit 700x28cin the rear and 30s in front. gp5000s come in pairs for some reason and i rather run bigger up front

>>2043505
go to a different site that lets you buy gp5k individually.
yes, they are sold individually. I've done it.

>>2043508
This desu

Waiting for someone to say YOU DONT EVEN NEED GP5K!! they are pretty good and not even expensive really

>>2043509
>YOU DONT EVEN NEED GP5K!!
All you need is air, water, 2000 calories per day and some shelter

>50 tubes in 6 months

The southwest can be unforgiving

>>2043541
pls add 3 digits to the energy budget, you can only starve yourself for like a month or two before its over

>>2043543
Calculate proper tire pressure and stick to it. Puncture resistant tires and tubes and sealants exist, but going through that many tubes that fast is user error no matter where you live or how much you ride.

I've worn down an old set of specialised all condition armadillo, no punctures so far but the tread is de laminating from the sidewall.
and there are a bunch of cuts that go right though the tread and partly though the kevlar casing.
but good lord are they a pain to get onto mavic MA40 wheel rims, tire is 23 mm wide and rim is 17 mm, it should not be so difficult.
much easier to put Michelin dynamic tires on there.

>>2043509
nobody says that, I just think there's other stuff out there beyond redditskins deluxe, maybe the price has come down since then but I'm mclovin' my pirellis which I'm pretty sure are objectively better tires and even if they're not I don't care, fuck your redditskin deluxe, they're boring

>>2045338
soibot my strength is waning...

ok so I just checked, yes, the pirellis are lighter, roll better, have better grip, and higher puncture resistance than redditskin deluxe. veloflex are better too yet /r/bicycling/ all thinks redditskins are the only tire out there

>>2045342
breh I'm trying not to mar the brake track or snap tire levers here

>>2042330
tiny rocks and may get suuccked up into the fork crown and bounce around on top of the tire, easy avoided by never riding in the wet.
but that's close enough that you'd best keep your wheels true and axles unbent.

>>2045345
>tire levers
are you that vietnamese femboy from the other thread?

>>2045347
Non that's someone else, 559 tires I remove with bare hands no problem.
pretty sure its just the MA40 has a retarded rim profile, it has no dip in the centre for the wire bead to rest in.

>>2042894
>>>/o/

>>2045344
>pirellis
you got a model name for us?
I got gp5k memes and they're great but maybe I'll try your pirellis next

Hello BTG can you recommend me anything puncture resistant that is under 200 (for both tires)?
It's for pic rel.

captcha: AX8PP

>>2045428
There's a whole range of them, kind of like the memeskin deluxe which isn't really just one tire. The pirelli road range is p zero, except cinturato velo which is sort of like the original memeskin except the grip doesn't suck and the puncture resistance is better

>>2045431
What do you want them to do that your current tires don't?

>>2045569
I want them specifically to be strong against punctures because i live in a LOW INCOME AREA and there is broken liqour bottles/car windows/whatever everywhere.

>>2045584
Schwalbe Marathon Plus.

>>2045431
26 inch 50-559 tires ? assuming USD and a little shopping around you mite be able to get something good.
from my experience with punctures the knobby tire treads are worse for punctures later on.
bits of metal and glass get stuck in the tread blocks, and pushed deeper into the tires as the tread wears down.
however big tread blocks do help keep grip when riding over large pebbles, so if you ride in the rain or off road allot its something to consider.
also I found wider tires tend to roll over or bounce off large sections of broken glass bottle with less problems

>Schwalbe
marathon plus tour - looks farely tanky - costly
Marathon gt tour - has less puncture resistance but would probably roll faster
schwalbe green marathon - cheap, puncture resistance is middling
Racing Ralph - light weight, puncture resistance dependant of sealant liquid

>continental
CONTACT Plus City - strong puncture resistance, kind of heavy
Top CONTACT II - lightish weight, should stop fragments of glass. mite be weak to bits of steel
Cross King ShieldWall - light weight, has some puncture resistance

>cst (c for cheap)
Sensamo Master C1839 - narrow - heavyish - decent puncture protection
Maxxis overdrive - narrow - lightish - MaxxShield™
Sensamo Control C1814 - ok puncture protection

idk, someone else might have better recomendations

Here is a pic of my (almost) new michelin pro 5. I think i rolled on a broken glass bottle. Not glass debris, more like a fucking glass bottle cracked open in half...

Not sure if the kevlar threading has been cut or not. What do you guys think ? Is there a way to repair it or do I just need to buy a new tire ? Or maybe this isn't even a problem and i can continue to ride as is ?

I'm not poor and can definitely afford a new tire but throwing away an otherwise perfectly good tire saddens me a bit. Plus i'm lazy so i'd like to avoid the hassle to order a new tire and mount it Ican.

>>2047364
it looks pretty sketchy, but I personally would not be above trying to fill it in with something. I guess roofing tar would be what I'd go for (not sure it's tar anymore, I think it has modern stuff with it. it comes in a caulk-style tube.) sucks to buy a whole tube of it, though. maybe Flex-seal? iunno, go to the big box hardware and wander around, see what's out there.

>>2047364
If you didn't get a flat, why are you even asking? Just ride.

>>2035266
What? A GP5K costs ~44 EUR.

>>2035379
Why don't you have 2kg tires? Why do you want to be fast?

>>2047364
It's okay. Just make sure there's no foreign object in there.
If any of the carcass was cut the tire wouls have esssplooooded

>>2037565
^^That was me in March
Just reporting back in 3 months later.

Been daily commuting on these tyres, and so far I'm very impressed.
>Probably about tempt fate here but fuck it - so far zero punctures
>Ride quality is ok, not exactly comfortable like Rene Herse but also not terrible either, acceptable
>Grip seems fine too, although I haven't ridden them in winter yet, they are fine in the wet

The trade off for excellent puncture protection seems to be reduced comfort and slightly increased rolling resistance, honestly that seems like a fair trade. I'm amazed that I had no punctures so far, the route is strewn with broken glass and thorns, yeah, would recommend Gatorskin Ultras.

>>2047428
go tubeless for better comfort, less rolling resistance AND better puncture protection.

>>2039050
thanks. Can't find smartguard versions here but I can go for just regular marathon plus.

Also, having an inner rim width of 14.5mm, can I fit a 20x1.35 tire on it? or perhaps even larger?

>>2047521
I wouldn't. 1.2" (30mm) is the widest you should go and even that isn't optimal.

>>2047523
According to a completely arbitary standard.
Honestly the recommendations set forth by ETRTO are completely arbitary and pretty much like the pressures indicated on a tire nothing but guideance for people who have no idea what they are doing. >>2047521
>14.5mm
a bit doubtful. 15mm is a commonly manufactured size that is close.
I will now too resort to an arbitary graphical representation of the ETRTO standard that shows you're golden. Honestly don't sweat it. You're even close. to the recommendation kek. If you then consider how vague tire sizes are to begin with and all that.

>>2047523
>>2047526
Thanks.
Are CST tires really that bad? I'm even considering going for Compass tires. The shipping fee is killing me for non-foldable tires.

>>2047780
There are no 'bad' brand tires. If you want to win races there are tires that I can not revommend. But if you just want to get around or exercise there are no brand tires you can buy in the west, without importing them from third world places through dubious channels. That is not to say defective products do not exist.
I bought a Schwalbe One online once. Threw it on and pumped it up, immediately a pea sized blister formed on the sidewall and grew at an alarming rate so I let the air out and contacted the seller. Their reply: 'We can offer you another tube for free and you can try again. ' Never bought a thing fron them again.
CST tires are just fine. In fact I used to be very happy with their products for MTB in the 90s. I used them for BMX which is probably tires you'll be looking at. No complaints there again.
Super fast rolling, grippy and comfortable tire? No. But I dont believe thats what concerns you.

>>2047780
I've not had any problems with them.
the cheap CSTs are heavy and do not flex much, I found they could be run at lower psi than other tires the same size.
iirc CST is the parent company of Maxxis, who make lighter and more flexy tires.

>>2047796
>there are no bad brands
>except schwalbe
So there are bad brands?

p.s. I think most people have had experiences like that with Schwalbe, for the life of me I cannot fathom how that company remains in business, it must be the german halo that makes people assume it was a fluke every time they get another fucked up tire that says Schwalbe on it

>>2048066
I ran basic Marathons for many years and really liked them, didn't give me any problems

>>2048066
I never said Schwalbe is a bad brand. It is one of the better brands IMO.
I said any brand - even a good brand is what is implied - can have a dud.

>>2048095
any brand of any mass produced object "can" have a dud, that's an utterly meaningless statement on its own

some brands obviously have more than others, which is why people talk about different brands as though they are different, because in practice they are, at least often enough to make it worth talking about (unless you're a teenager whose entire personality is not caring about anything and acting superior to anyone who does)

>>2048096
cool your 'tism
you still didnt get what the original statement you're windibg yourself up on is meant to convey

as someone with over 30k mi in "culturally enriched" urban areas, marathon pluses were the right solution for me to stop getting flats every 500-1k miles. Do I wish they were speedier and/or milder feeling?
Sure, but I still remember clearly enough how maddening the frequency of flats in those road conditions were.

is it worth it to go from 28c to 30c comfort wise?

>>2048337
I'm at 47c now, wouldn't go lower than 32c anymore. So yes it's worth it, width isn't a hamper on rolling resistance

>>2048337
no, depending on the tires and rims even the real, measured width could be the same between a 28 and a 30.

>>2048337
if you're going for comfort, I'd go more than one size up if it'll fit inside the frame and/or fork.
like anon says, different companies' measurements shake out differently on different rims. I sized up two sizes by the numbers: 23mm to 28mm. but measuring each tire with calipers out of curiosity, the small one was almost 25 and the big one was less than 27. so practically it was a little more than one size up, although yes, I can feel the difference. however, the new ones are much better tires all around, though.

>>2035586
A Bohläh salesman once "joked" that the original Schwallbäh Marathon tyre was damaging their business because it ran for about 40000km - while praising the new and improved Schwallbäh tyres as lighter, faster and with higher grossing sales. We stopped stocking them then and there. t, LBS.

>>2047796
>>2048065
>>2048215
I think marathon plus is a bit overkill for me. I've been using ultra sport 3 and never had a flat.
Now I'm leaning towards contact urban for my 20" commuter. Will be riding mainly on roads (50% shitty). Are they decent/good?

>>2048609
I'm the anon who was looking for a winter tire and ended up with Contact Urbans. Haven't had much wet asphalt to test that in, but overall I'm happy. I've been trying to avoid cars lately so lots of hardpack and dirt roads. Only ever had issue with sinking into really chonky gravel and mud. No puctures, but didn't have them before with shittier tires either. That said, I have 29" 2.00 version so it would surely be different for you.

>>2048609
they're decent, not especially good.

>>2048378
AFAIK the Marathons come from different factorias depending on their size mainly and this may explain the contrasting experiences I had with them. The endurance of course might have to do with it since it means they might update the design or process faster than I go through several tires.
On my main shitter I have a 42mm marathon in the rear and the airplus tube. Never had a single problem with this combination.
On a different bike I had 25mm marathons front and rear. Both exploded randomly and they werent even pumped to anything outside their spec and the rim combo didn't violate the ETRTO recommendation either.

>>2040250
>how bad is this?
Inner tube not ballooning out? It's good.
>marathons
Wasn't even an issue, la. Ride them till the wires start poking (and then ride some more).

>>2049136
I bought some flexible shoe glue since then and put it in those spots, so it's been real fine

>>2049138
Good thinking.
Protip: would the inner tube start poking thru, just put a candy bar wrapper on the inside of the bad spot. I did it successfully for a sidewall damage (and put a few thousands km's) and as an emergency for pic rel (ca. 500 km done still).
Cheers.

>>2048337
I mean if your 28's are worn then yea go for it
But the difference is so small that it's not worth bailing on your current tires for

>>2048631
>>2048690
Thanks.

Why is it difficult to find 20" (406) rim strips? Will regular tubeless rim tape work with inner tubes+high pressure?

>>2049171
yeah sounds good.
though I wouldn't need to do that cause the casing is still intact, and it's not like I can even see it. it was just my first tyre like this so I asked.
not sure what the guy who I bought the bike did with it, that the middle thread is not worn but it's like that on the sides, but eh.

>>2049186
He liked the thrill of riding on the edge.

>>2049187

Will tubeless rim tape hold up when using inner tubes at around 80-100 psi?
Is cloth actually better than PVC rim strips at this pressure?

>>2035254 (OP)
Never had a flat in 9 years of running Gatorskins. They are pretty grippy, too. I haven't tried any other puncture resistant tires, ignorance is bliss.