Thread 28479084

I'm a total car noob buying my first vehicle after finally wearing out the used one I got from my parents. I’ve saved up and can spend up to $25K cash. I'm looking for something reliable, low mileage, not too boring, but also practical.

Here’s the filtered list I’ve been browsing:
https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/all-cars/cars-between-20000-and-25000/boston-ma?makeCode=HONDA&makeCode=JEEP&makeCode=NISSAN&makeCode=TOYOTA&makeCode=VOLKS&mileage=30000&newSearch=true&startYear=2022&zip=02125

Cars I’m Considering:
2024 Volkswagen Jetta S
2022 Jeep Compass Trailhawk or 2024 Jeep Compass Limited
2023 Honda HR-V LX
2022 Honda Civic Sport

Really don’t want a basic bitch car but kind of open to
Used 2024 Honda Civic LX

What do you guys think?

I realize these are some basic bitch choices which is kind of why I asked

>>28479084 (OP)
>2024 Volkswagen Jetta S
It will be nice at first, but it will fall apart within 2 years.

>2022 Jeep Compass Trailhawk or 2024 Jeep Compass Limited
These are not Jeeps - they are rebadged Fiats. They will be endless trouble

>2023 Honda HR-V LX
Mostly ok, but has the same engine as the Civic, but weighs more. Acceleration will be slow as fuck

>2022 Honda Civic Sport
The only decent option on your list.

You might want to consider a Subaru Impreza for more utility.

Depends what you need the car for exactly, but of those choices I'd go for the HRV. VW ain't what it used to be and interiors suck these days, Jeep I simply don't trust since they're part of Stellantis now. HRV bit more space, Civic a bit more juice, up to you what you prefer.

As a Mazda owner, I can suggest looking into them as well (3, CX30, CX5, again depends what exactly you need). Reliable, good engine choices, nice interiors.

>>28479084 (OP)
>something reliable, low mileage, not too boring, but also practical fot under $25k
Just get an E9, E24 635i, E30 325i, E31 850i, E39 530i, LCI E90 335i, W124, W126, R129, W140, or W201 already godsdamn

LLMs keep saying I should get a Mazda3

>>28479143
Had a 325i constant vacuum leaks and misfires. 25k get a S2000 or GR86 if your looking for something sporty. GTI if you need more space and utility. Civic is good but about as basic as you can get.

>>28479154
Had a s2gay it was gay wouldn't buy a gr86 because they're ugly slow and gay and they shatter more rods than BMW M motors bmaooo
vws are gay as fuck
hatchbacks are gay as fuck
civics are also gay as fuck and everything you suggested is pikachu as shit bmaooo

>>28479154
Well now you got me looking at GR86s and it might be worth going up because I'm serious about dropping 25k, I've got like 120k cash, never bought a car and want something I canm own a while without hating or feeling like a generic suburban dude

>>28479223
Lol what got you looking at 86s, his lie of previously owning an E30, or the other incredibly shitty suggestions?

>>28479084 (OP)
all i'll say is you can test drive some cars but leave after
do your research and don't bother stepping into a dealership until you've negotiated and agreed to an out the door price beforehand

>>28479231
Looks fun to drive and around my price range. Want something slightly used and interesting. Not looking to get some boring Mazda 3 or Subaru Impreza.

>25k to spend
>on brand new shitboxes
At least go for a wrx

>>28479084 (OP)
are you trading anything in?
elantra n is the best do-it-all fun practical daily driver under 40k bar none

Buy a used Mustang GT owned by some grandpa, Gen 2 coyote with the 6 speed. Reliable and fun. Has four seats, decent trunk space.

>>28479247
A 2002 Dodge Neon XD

>>28479239
See >>28479143

>>28479245
Too slow and boring

>>28479247
Delusional

>>28479252
Too suburban

>>28479262
there's literally no new car that offers more performance per dollar than the N
other than the c8 corvette

>>28479271
new cars are mostly gay as fuck. Mostly.

>>28479259
>A bunch of BMWs and Mercedes
I don't have a vagina

>>28479277
You might get some vagina if you listened to my recommendations instead of hilarious 4cylinderlet IT nerdball cars but probably not bmaooo

Get a used mustang GT

>>28479285
Maybe, woman are pretty fucking lame. I just don't like buying "expensive brands" used. Seems tacky. If i get a mercedes I wnt to be rich enough to get one new

>>28479275
>if you've already owned a couple mil worth's of porsches
>we'll let you pay us 350k for a NA flat 6 with a manual
>maybe
i mean, its a nice car, but honestly, it should be the base carrerra and cost 80k.
porsche has DEFINITELY become too big for its breeches, and i can't in good conscience recommend anything they make. not because their stuff isn't good, but simply because that amount of greed is inexcusable regardless of the quality of their products.
fuck porsche and fuck the idiots that pay those prices

buy a c8.

>>28479084 (OP)
if you can charge at home, used tesla. 25k will easily get you a model3 LR AWD
if you can't, you're pretty much fucked.

anything old enough to be actually reliable will require you to be able to wrench to keep it going cheaply. which requires a garage. which means you're able to charge, so get a tesla instead.
anything new enough not to require regular maintenance from the get go will completely fall apart in expensive ways quite soon

so, in the no garage/no charging scenario, your best bet is something moderately old and japanese.
and by moderately old i mean old enough to be NA and port injected. maybe some camry v6 (or lexus/acura, if you want more luxury, budget permitting ofc)

>>28479329
I live half-mile away from a supercharger station easily within walking distance

>>28479084 (OP)
>25k in cash
>Car is "wearing out"

You'll regret not putting that on a down payment for a house, just fix the car you have or buy something 5k or less.

>>28479338
that helps a lot, actually
most people think that the "only if you can charge at home" thing is about the charging cost savings
its not
its about the inconvenience of having to stop at a charger for 20-30 mins 1/2/3+ times a week.
if its right next door, that inconvenience is greatly decreased.

so, do some napkin math, figure out how often you'd need to charge based on your typical weekly driving, and how long you'd have to spend at said charger
if you're happy with the result, go for it. used model 3s are INSANE value right now. 20-25k and you can end up with a 450hp c-segment sedan. its a pretty big upgrade from a base civic.

>>28479348
Yeah, it's right. By where I shop for groceries, so I don't think it would be a problem. I have been thinking about getting one because I live in a libtard state.Of course and there are benefits to having it

>>28479223
>>28479239
>>28479277
>>28479310
Ignore the faggot telling you to buy a second hand 10 years old bmw. Its got some insane maint costs and bad mpg. If you dont keep the maint every 10-15k miles the thing will literally kill itself thanks to some meme component failing that should have been replaced.
Get a Japanese car for cheap maint, easy replacement parts and low insurance since nobody is "swimming" in a fucking Toyota. As long as you arent tracking it like some retarded and broke zoomer without the oil changes it will be fine. Do not buy German luxury cars if you are still building up capital this early in your life. Get a cheap Japanese one, a toyota corolla/ Honda civic if you want an econbox or if it's a sport car a GR86/BRz or a Mx5. They arent the fastest cars around but they outpace most econ shitboxes and teach you how to fucking drive instead of being that retard in his mustang spinning out at the first stoplight and running over a pedestrian. Get your hands on a serious sports car once you've paid down on a house and live more comfortably.

>>28479359
>By where I shop for groceries
even better, the time won't be wasted

>>28479310
Lol what kind have retard thinking is this

>>28479319
c8s are UGLY and pikachu as FUCK

>>28479084 (OP)
i say go for a K4 with the warranty

>>28479369
Lol what BMW are you even talking about?
>just get this pikachu weeblet BULLSHIT that will spin a rod in less than 30k miles!!
>>28479226 bmaooo
godsDAMN why are weeblets so fucking delusional?!

>>28479381
LOL why the FUCK did they put that thing on stilts?!

>>28479369
Lol what BMW are you even talking about?
>just get this pikachu weeblet BULLSHIT that will spin a rod bearing, SHATTERING multiple rods and requiring a rebuild in less than 30k miles!!
>>28479226 bmaooo
godsDAMN why are weeblets so fucking delusional?!

>>28479380
doesn't fucking matter. its a NA flat plane crank v8 for under 100k. not a manual, but what alternatives are there?
a miata? a brz? not bad choices desu, but damn, it'd be nice not to get passed by zoomers in electric skateboards
the carrerra t is like 150k by the time you option it halfway decently, and its not NA
the s/t is super nice, but fucking unobtainium
ferrari doesn't even sell a plain old v8 anymore. its hybridshit all the way, and the prices are even higher than porsche. also a good contender for worst infotainment in the business

so, yea, when it comes to new stuff, c8 is the only option for a proper sports car that isn't 100% jewed or as slow as a base civic.
there's lots of good stuff used, ofc, but thats an entirely different matter.

>>28479398
Who cares it's too fucking ugly to consider and is only driven by ed hardy shirt wearing types bmaooo
He wants a practical daily for under $25k and you're saying get a c8 LOL wtf
Just get a fuckin Stratos, Miura, 250 GTO, F40, F50, 1750 GT Am, M1, E9 3.0 CSL, E31 850CSi, E92 M3 Competition, F10 M5 Competition with a forged internals motor plus upgraded cooling and suspension, 964 Carrera RS, 997.2 GT3 4.0 RS, 911 S/T, Avanti, C5 Z06, or C6 Z06 already godsDAMN son

This board sucks now

>>28479410
>He wants a practical daily for under $25k and you're saying get a c8 LOL wtf
what? no
i was replying to the guy that posted the s/t, not the op
the op has no business looking at proper sports cars.

>>28479412
>nooo only the mirage and stupid useless faggot cars should get recommended on the enthusiast car board of this Indonesian metal casting forum!!!
Kek cry pussy

>>28479412
yeah

>>28479084 (OP)
if you want cool, practical, and reliable the ONLY choice is a 2015-2024 Dodge Challenger SXT with the 3.6 Pentastar V6 and ZF8 transmission.
For possibly even less than $20,000, you can have what is basically a retard-proofed Mercedes S-Class wearing a battleship costume, featuring one of the greatest engines ever made bolted to the single best automatic transmission in the universe. It has over 300 hp, a 52:48 weight distribution, rear wheel drive, double wishbone suspension, a huge aftermarket following and fanbase, and looks absolutely gorgeous.
If you are concerned about driving a RWD car in the snow, there is also an AWD version.

>>28479422
what about third pedal enjoyers thoughever

>>28479416
And I posted the S/T because someone recommended a hyundai saying it's the best new car other than an ugly Vette.
OP shouldn't get a sports car, but he also said he didn't want to be some suburban something or other. And what do suburban something or others drive? They drive fuckin 4cylinderlet economy cars. And what's being recommended for some reason? 4cylinderlet economy cars
Why is that?

>>28479425
See >>28479143
and >>28479410

>>28479395
Nigga do you have no job? You post 24/7 on /o/ shilling old bimmers and spouting retarded buzzwords.
>>28479426
>Suburbanites arent the ones driving I6 or V8s
OP should drive a tractor

>>28479425
whomst unironically

>>28479432
>everything is a buzzword!!!
>Lancias, Lamborghinis, Alfa Romeos, Ferraris, Mercedes Benzes, Avantis, and C5 and C6 Corvettes are all BMWs!!!

>>28479084 (OP)
go with the civic. avoid the altima. the altima may look nice, but I recently moved to a black neighborhood and I realized that almost every black person who can't afford a charger drives an altima.

>>28479395
>>28479201
>bmao
what the fuck is this, are you genuinely retarded?
>bumming my ass out
>blasting my ass open
what could you possibly mean by bmao?

>>28479429
cringe

>>28479370
Damn, annual insurance is high though(based on progressive quote)d

Value
$149.37 Total:$901.00
Choice
$587.45 Total:$3529.00
Recommended
$795.16 Total:$4775.00

>>28479084 (OP)
I'll be honest, you seem like too much of a pussy for a performance car like a mustang, camaro or challenger. Those would be good choices however.

So I'd go with a Civic Si or an Accord Sport Hybrid. Pic related has a manual which is cool. The accord is just as fast at a fairly pedestrian 6.6 seconds to 0-60.

>>28479471
it's just the resident bmw shitposter. can just ignore him

>>28479084 (OP)
>buying my first vehicle
>can spend up to $25K cash
>don’t want a basic bitch car
Anon, all of these cars are basic bitch cars. If your budget is limited: don't spend your money on a car. Get a ~5 year old toyota with decent miles for 10k and 3 months from now you'll be glad you didn't waste money on trying to look cool in a Volkswagen Jetta.

>>28479143
AMERICAN POSTS ONLY PLZ

>>28479932
This. If your goal is to not be a normie and these are your choices, its probably better to save the money and buy a good enough car and save the money for what you really car about. If you want something reliable and not boring, you will probably have to dip into the used market. It doesn't have to be a corolla, you can find somewhat reliable luxury cars for reasonable money.

>>28479412
Genuinely this is the first time ive had to add filters. Doesn't change the fact that people are still falling for the bait but it helps.

>>28479084 (OP)
>2024 Volkswagen Jetta S
>2022 Jeep Compass Trailhawk or 2024 Jeep Compass Limited

Nope

>2023 Honda HR-V LX
>2022 Honda Civic Sport

Okay.

>I'm looking for something reliable, low mileage, not too boring, but also practical.

So sedans or crossovers.

I'd lean you towards a RWD or AWD sedan if you want to have a little fun. 2010 or newer Lexus or Cadillacs would be solid reliable choices particularly Lexus.

>>28479605
>too much of a pussy to walk into a dealership and buy a car
?

>>28480082
He's too much of a pussy to buy a performance car. Therefore, he wanted a jetta. Pic related is all in his area.

>>28479605
>mustang camaro or challenger
Ghetto.

>>28480183
>Performance car
>L-Look, guys... I’m a real man, see?!
I (OP) don’t like performance cars because they’re tacky, try-hard shit.

>>28479945
I had a 2010s gs350 f-sport, arguably one of goyota's better cars, but when I got an E39, I realized it was better than the decade plus newer goyota
After all the E39 is the best sports sedan overall that there is

>>28480189
Yes, we already know you're a low test pussy. That's why I said to just get an Accord hybrid and be done with it.

>>28480192
>Low test
>Needing a car to feel masculine

>>28479943
What bait? My recommendations are 100% genuine fr fr on gods f.a.m.b.r.u.h.

>>28480194
>only wants pussy cars
>not a pussy

>>28480200
Im not a carnigger thats why I came to you carniggers for recommendations

>>28480194
You're putting the cart before the horse. Masculine men are more likely to buy aggressive vehicles. I 100% guarantee if you took 1000 male Jetta drivers and 1000 male Mustang drivers and tested their testosterone levels the average testosterone of the Mustang drivers will be substantially higher.

This is why I'm saying to buy the Accord hybrid. You're low test and aren't assertive. The Accord is a pretty nice car, practical and gets good MPGs. You'll like it.

>>28480202
I already recommended the best cars you can get for the money, but they're apparently too nice or something and you don't want to buy a nice car when it's used for some reason

>>28480204
Your over analayzing the jetta. I didn't really like any which is why I came here for advice. Performance cars are still for overcompensating faggots

>>28480204
ok but mustangs are flyoverlet/ghetto/boyracelet as fuck depending on who's driving it and how it has or hasn't been MODIFIED

>>28480207
>not wanting to drive a faggy slow gay piece of shit means you're overcompensating!!!
Why do pussies think like this?

>>28480207
>Your over analayzing the jetta
You're* analyzing* And no, I'm not. You have trouble with objective reality.
>advice
By the way, crossovers tend to be more practical than sedans. You can also check out the Sportage hybrid. Kia's are no longer the total shitboxes they were in 2003. The hatch back is great for cargo. It has AWD which is nice for your MA winters. Hybrid for good MPG.

>>28480214
They're threatened and or scared by anything assertive or aggressive.

>>28480214
>>28480221
Because not everyone is a nigger who wastes their life obsessing over cars and they just want something practical.

>>28480228
How is an E39 530i, LCI E90 328i, W124, W126, W140, or W201 impractical?

>>28480233
>old broken plastic shitheaps
>reliable
brown fingers typed this post

>>28480235
>nooo durable cars are actually unreliable!!!
Delusional black or indigenous"wrenchlet" fingers of color typed this post

>>28480228
Cool. Get the Kia and stop whining. Another advantage of crossovers is they are lifted up higher, so when it snows your front end doesn't turn into a snowplow if you drive through a snow drift. It's also just nice for gravel roads, uneven roads or steep driveways.

>>28480236
post your toolbox

>>28479084 (OP)
>buy a Civic
>STFU

>>28480239
Which one?

>>28480237
Thanks but because I'm a city rentoid I think I'm going for a long range Tesla model 3 2021-2022. I can charge it by my house and think I can get one sub 25k

>>28480257
Cool. If you can find a Model Y in your price and mileage range I'd look at that too. It's the Cross over/SUV version.

>>28480249
>doesn't post toolbox
that's what I fucking thought, you wrenchlet retard

>>28480270
>doesn't specify which one
That's what I fucking thought, you 4cylinderlet "wrenchlet" ricelet stancelet slowfaglet boyracelet in the parlance of our times bmaooo

@28480300
>deflects again
we get it, you don't have any tools

>>28480221
the irony here is every pussy bitch I know gets offended when someome tells them they're being a bitch and denies/deflects where every aggressive cunt will just laugh and say "yeah so what" if you call them an aggressive cunt

>>28480204
>the average testosterone of the Mustang drivers will be substantially higher.
happy to help bring up the average for the vaggots by modding the shit of my jetta and driving harder than most mustangs I see on the road. you're welcome

>>28480214
>not wanting to drive a faggy slow gay piece of shit means you're overcompensating!!!
>Why do pussies think like this?

>>28480192
Wow look at all these high test camaro drivers

>>28481004
>>28481043
Kek. This faggot is seething.

>>28481075
>My testesterone is way higher than the avereage Jetta owner

>>28481085
You drive a Jetta, huh? LOL.

>Camaro buyers are predominantly male, with about 69% being male and 31% being female
>Jetta's ownership demographics are 51% men and 49% women.

>>28479084 (OP)
Get one of these bad boys then invest the other $20k.

@28480307
I'm very highly educated
I know tools
I have the best tools

>>28479084 (OP)
>2024 Volkswagen Jetta S
The Jetta is a good car, but don't get the S, get the Sport instead. It's not much more, and you get your money's worth. The S is stripped down, but the Sport is the way a base Jetta is supposed to be. Get it with a manual transmission, as they still do make those, and VWs is reliable. I currently drive the GLI version, but that's only because in 2023, nobody would sell me a base model for a reasonable price, and the GLI was under MSRP because of the manual transmission that nobody buying a Jetta wants.

>>28481306
Another thing I should add is that you have about four days before tariff pricing kicks in, so if you want that car, now is the time to move.
The Civic sport is also a good car, but that is another car they wouldn't sell me. I tried to buy a hatchback, but they wouldn't even tell me the price even though I am in Texas and they were in Louisiana.

>>28481290
your catalytic converter stealing rig does not count

>>28479084 (OP)
kek post your hands, Raj.

>>28480207
Well you came to the wrong place, fag. Just buy a new Corolla and fuck off.

>>28481353
Lol

>>28481353
Yes it does

>>28480214
It's pretty much true. This is just the /o/ version of the clerk handing you a pink lighter, as if that somehow was a reflection of you. The same is true for the Jetta, which is a fine commuter car, has nice features, and more importantly: is cheap. It's always the ones who have absolutely nothing going for them that care the most about the way people look at them because they know they're failing to meet their own standards.

>>28479084 (OP)
Stick to Hyundai Elantra or Kia Forte/K4

>>28481422
>It's always the ones who have absolutely nothing going for them that care the most about the way people look at them
Why do you assume this in the first place lol
It's not about being seen in the jetta that is the problem. The problem is that it's ugly, slow, and gay, and I don't want to look at it, let alone drive it. Plus it's a fucking chick car bmaooo

>>28481422
Wow, just how insecure can you get? Or are you just poor? Life is way too short to drive around in snoozefest cars.

>>28481434
>Why do you assume this in the first place lol
Because otherwise you wouldn't care about how manly an econobox is.

>>28481435
You're right, which is why I own four cars, and the Jetta is the one I use to put miles on it. It's been a very good car, and when I get rid of it, it will probably be because I've run it out of use value, as it holds no sentimental meaning.

>>28481500
I don't care about how "manly" an econobox is. I don't care about them at all because they suck

>>28481500
>4 cars
Are any of those an actual performance car? I never got the "drive a gay econobox and have a weekend car" shit. I daily my performance car because it's fast, comfortable and I enjoy the experience, even in traffic. Why would I NOT daily it?
>muh miles and resale
Who gives a fuck. I bought it to drive it. Not have it sit in my garage like some boomer.
>muh fuel costs
Stop being poor.

>>28481503
Cool, then why did you come into a thread about them? Just wanted to let everyone ITT know how much you hated them? The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

>>28481510
Very cool. You must be very rich and not just a schizo faggot. Why are you telling us this in a thread where OP specifically laid out his budget?

>>28481428
>Stick to Hyundai Elantra or Kia Forte/K4
What if he wants a company that honors their warranty or at least lasts more than just a couple of years before completely failing?

Or what if he doesn't want to join the previous owners of that brand who shitpost here?

Any car that doesn't cost twice as much will likely last more than twice as long. That's like free money. Literally any other car is better than a hyundai.

>>28481523
>mogs you

>>28481529
I am a time traveler! I am from the far flung future of 5 years from now and have a pic of your car. Sorry, your car got recycled after it stopped running.

>>28481522
$25k is more than enough to buy a nice performance car.

>>28479381
THIS

>>28479392
wat
k4 on stilts is a sportage

>>28481601
>THIS
Why do people hate that brand so much?

>>28481617
because its a newcomer and they don't trust it
Kia you get more features for the money and the handsfree driving tech is great (make sure your car has "HDA")

>>28481617
Because from 1993-2012, they were recognized as cheap fucking gook garbage. They've been trying to shed that image and have been doing pretty well at it.

>>28481601
>wat
It's on STILTS like MONSTER TRUCK

>>28481645
wat there's like 5 inches of ground clearance

>>28481624
>HDA
as a new hyudnai owner the lane follow assist is pretty dope for texting and driving tbhfam
i just wish my car had the blind spot cameras in the mirrors, my civic only had one cam on the right mirror but it was probably my favorite feature in that car and i fucking wish i had it in my N
360 cam would be cool too

>>28479084 (OP)
>Really don’t want a basic bitch car
are you sure lol

>>28481650
>the lane follow assist is pretty dope for texting and driving tbhfam
shut up don't tell them or they will take it away and start scanning our eyes
>i just wish my car had the blind spot cameras in the mirrors
I made sure to get that!
it also interestingly puts a little speedometer next to the camera view when you change lanes
i guess mine has for both right and left
the 360 cam i use to park all the time and I hike and go on dirt roads and its great for that too, but I wish they had an off road mode where the camera would load at up to 30mph or something - other cars have that

which hoondai did you get?
kona or elantra?

>>28481655
elantra n >>28481529
on a fucking whim too, my '16 civic only had 69k miles but i figured i may as well trade in while i could get some decent money back out in trade value and got 3k off msrp cause nobody wanted red for some reason but the N doesn't come with all the extra cameras and stuff but it's a fair trade for a fwd car that does 0-60 in 4.8 sec and is super fun to drive at least for a daily econobox

>>28481662
its too bad you cant get a detuned 2.5T in most smaller kia 210-220hp would be just what it needs
>doesn't come with all the extra cameras
you probably don't take it to wild places to justify that anyways
>and is super fun to drive at least for a daily econobox
cushy ride plz, no sport, no stiff
the 2.5 NA is just a bit gutless and could use a low pressure turbo
its weird they haven't done a next gen kona N they would sell a lot of those
and they don't even sell a subcompact Genesis so it's not really encroaching on their luxury brand
and I wish they sold a Sportage N with the V6

>>28481673
>cushy ride plz, no sport, no stiff
i like that you can make custom drive modes and select individually how you want your engine/tranny/steering/etc. tuned
my first custom mode i have the engine, tranny, lsd in sport+ mode and the steering and suspension in comfort (and exhaust in sport so no pops/bangs) and another custom mode with everything in sport+ mode

>>28481690
>i like that you can make custom drive modes and select individually how you want your engine/tranny/steering/etc. tuned
my kia doesn't have that
>lsd
I wish I had a locking rear diff for gravel roads and crazy pouring rain
I mean I suppose even an e-lsd (what I assume the elantra has) would be better
I like everything quiet and comfy
the 2.5NA is fucking loud and I wish it were smoother and quieter
it sounds nice above 4000rpm
but that's where it actually makes its power and you aren't gonna keep it planted there on most roads without crashing
I also assume the handling on an elantra is lightyears better than a sportage

>>28481624
>because its a newcomer
Isn't hyundai an older company???
That's like calling Lexus a new company because we like to arbitrarily ignore the existence of Toyota.

>>28481702
yeah the handling with the dampers in sport+ and the pilot sport 4s tires is fucking great and the e-lsd is amazing, it feels like it impossibly pulls you through any corner if you just keep your foot down
never driven the civic type r but most reviews i've seen say the elantra is basically 3-5% worse than the type r in every category except exhaust sound which is p great considering it's 10 grand cheaper

>>28481732
ive heard the civic is noisy and lacks proper insulation
I've heard the elantra n is pretty noisy too though
its weird they won't install the e-lsd on the sonata n that badly needs it and would sell more if they did
also the sportage in higher trim has acoustic/thermal insulating windshield and its pretty quiet to me
also u get even less features and it sure as fuck doesn't drive itself
the handling on the sportage is kinda crap and that e-lsd sounds nice
the sportage feels like it's about to fall off the road if you go too fast, and I take some narrow dangerous roads

>>28481721
they didn't really start competing seriously like anon said until the 2010s and most people aren't aware of them/they don't have much of a good reputation - and it is, make no mistake a budget car company, but they put in a little extra effort cuz they are the underdog

>>28481721
Hyundai entered the American market in 1986. Hyundai bought Kia in 1998 when Kia went bankrupt

>>28479084 (OP)
Used 2019-2022 Subaru outback, Impreza, Crosscuck or Forester. Best decision of my life

t. owner of 3 out 4 mentioned

>>28481827
way better interior, infotainment, engines with kia and u can still get AWD with SUVs

>>28481827
How much did you pay for these? Prices seem all over the place.

>>28479119
Ignore the Mazda owner. They’re all retarded and think skyactiv x makes their car a bmw

>>28479084 (OP)
>2024 Volkswagen Jetta S
crap that's expensive to maintain
>2022 Jeep Compass Trailhawk or 2024 Jeep Compass Limited
crap unreliable duck car
>2023 Honda HR-V LX
ugly but not crap, you will get zero bitches
>2022 Honda Civic Sport
eh, it's alright. the best of this list. aggressively dull looking. 2020 was much better looking

>>28480220
my mother has a Sportage.
I cannot fault it.

>>28479310
>I just don't like buying "expensive brands" used. Seems tacky. If i get a mercedes I wnt to be rich enough to get one new

MOOOOOOOOOOOOM!
the middle class people are talking about Mercedes as if it's a rich people car again instead of being an upper middle class trap Kafkaesque nightmare of expensive repairs!

>>28479143
>Just get an E9, E24 635i, E30 325i, E31 850i, E39 530i, LCI E90 335i, W124, W126, R129, W140, or W201 already godsdamn
he as 25k to spend on a car
not 25k a year to spend on repairs

the American idea of luxury is literally just
A. very expensive
B. inconveniently large

>>28481765
>but they put in a little extra effort cuz they are the underdog
Kia boys appreciated their "effort". Is car theft (for joyriding since the entire car is made of parts too shitty for resale) the only reason there are so few Kia cars over 5 years old out there? Or is it because the company doesn't honor their warranty?
Asking for a friend.

>>28483919
>very expensive
Nice things are expensive.
>inconveniently large
Interior room is comfortable and luxurious. Cuckpods are not.

Get an early 2010s SRT8 chally with low miles

>>28479084 (OP)
>I'm a total car noob buying my first vehicle after finally wearing out the used one I got from my parents. I’ve saved up and can spend up to $25K cash. I'm looking for something reliable, low mileage, not too boring, but also practical.
>What do you guys think?
Lots of bad advice ITT and your list is awful.

Pretty much every car you listed is basic and your idea of buying a car is wrong also.
>I’ve saved up and can spend up to $25K cash
You don't want to buy a car in cash, there's really no reason to. You can put a down-payment and then make payments directly to the principal and then you aren't overextended with no cash in hand for many months. (this helps in case you need a repair or have an emergency in some other part of your life)

To be totally honest you seem like the type of OP who "asks for advice" but then balks about everything you're told in the thread thereafter.

https://www.carfax.com/vehicle/KMTG54TE3NU090972
Near Great Neck, NY
Used 2022 Genesis G70
$28,785• 28,496 mi

https://www.carfax.com/vehicle/ZAM57YTL0K1322135
Near Upper Saddle River, NJ
Used 2019 Maserati Ghibli S Q4 GranLusso
$29,217• 22,450 mi

https://www.carfax.com/vehicle/WAUL2AF24MN028721
Near Little Ferry, NJ
Used 2021 Audi A6 Premium Plus
$29,970• 47,634 mi

https://www.carfax.com/vehicle/WBA73BJ07NWX78099
Near Great Neck, NY
Used 2022 BMW 5 Series 540i xDrive
$28,980• 54,781 mi

All 4 of these fit your criteria. The best buy of the pack is probably the BMW 5 series but again you seem like a retard and an asshole.
Go buy your mommy car and take the kids you don't have to soccer lmao.
h8 threads like this.

>>28485460
>>28479084 (OP)
https://www.carfax.com/vehicle/5YJ3E1EB7JF128012
Now because I can read the minds of simpletons from BASSTAN massafucknuts, the -actual- car you should get is this:
Near North Hampton, NH
Used 2018 Tesla Model 3 Long Range
$11,900• 127,087 mi
NORMALLY you would say "wow thats a lot of miles" but that doesnt fucking matter for an EV because they don't have oil, they don't have fuel, it's just a generative motor and a battery. The battery itself won't degrade enough for it to be meaningful for another 7-10 years.
The ONLY work you may need to get done on this car would be brakes + tires and then it's good for 7-10 more years.
You can buy the entire fucker for less than $12k and then spend the rest on your fursuit.

or since you like taking the kids to soccer practice the SUV version
https://www.carfax.com/vehicle/7SAYGDEE3NF337283
Near Walpole, MA
Used 2022 Tesla Model Y Long Range
$25,995• 48,653 mi

any replies after this are irrelevant

/thread

>>28485460
>You don't want to buy a car in cash, there's really no reason to. You can put a down-payment and then make payments directly to the principal and then you aren't overextended with no cash in hand for many months. (this helps in case you need a repair or have an emergency in some other part of your life)
>>28479084 (OP) this is good advice unless your credit is fucked or nonexistent. but the cars could be dangerous - a ghibli will not be cheap on insurance, even if it is reasonably reliable (ZF and decently reliable engine, chrysler electronics). a used audi is also pretty questionable. I'd just get an awd minivan or a midsize truck (with a bed cap) and call it a day, it'll do whatever it is you need it to for a long time.

>>28485482
Normally you would be correct about most of that but as you noted the Maserati has the ZF transmission, and the Audi A6 in question has the 3.0 litre Twin-scroll T V6 TFSI engine.
https://www.wardsauto.com/audi/audi-3-0l-tfsi-supercharged-dohc-v-6
Which is consistently on the "Ward's best Engine's list", along with the B58 which is in the BMW 540i.

OP wants a reliable car with performance. Like I said, all 4 of them are reliable and performant but I -already know- that he's a retard who has badgebrain and can't look at individual models.
>it's toyota, so it MUST be good
https://www.motortrend.com/news/toyota-engine-recall-tundra-pickup-lexus-lx-suv
Toyota to Replace Every Single Engine in 100,000 Tundra Pickups and Lexus SUVs
>it's BMW, so it MUST be unreliable
https://www.bmwblog.com/2020/01/18/bmw-b58-six-cylinder-engine-wins-second-10-best-engines-award-from-wardsauto/
Meanwhile the engine wins "Best Engine" 2x (I think it's actually 3-4x now) and Toyota decides to sell a rebadged BMW as their "supra".
None of which OP knows or even probably cares about, and yet will STILL be a hardheaded fuck who thinks "toyota good"!

You can lead an OP to good cars, but you can't make them not a fag who will buy stupid gay shitboxes.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=oz7yKiBX59I
Sounds goddamn incredible.

Do not get stellantis or german.

For that budget get a new traxx or corrola.

>>28479369
Not going to beat a Chey truck for cheap maintenance

>>28480183
>>28480189
Very good recommendations
Common cars so part and yt videos to fix em are available.

>>28485460
>>28485482
>>28485492
>first time car buyer
>recommends fucking BMW
Drive off a cliff.

>>28479605
I've never seen a mustang owner who didn't look viciously dysgenic.

>>28479084 (OP)
All of those are npc cars for old people, what are you doing?

Get something with sovl from 2000-2015 that has good value, why would you want to buy a new onions cuckbox? What a mess