On one hand, I understand why one would dislike this Italian car. They have made some real shit cars and keep making as it seems, really shit cars.

But not all Fiats are terrible. I was driving the 1.1 Fiat Seicento 2003. I drive it every workday for multiple hours. It has been driven like this since it was bought new.

Whatever I do to it, I can't break it. I almost always am speeding in it, driving it on high RPM.

A few days ago, I was driving it only a little bit more aggressively than usual. It overheated. I stopped immediately and checked the water, it was entirely empty. Checked for leaks, no leaks. I was just driving it without water. When I came back to the shop, turns out, I was driving it without oil too. I know it leaks oil but I kinda forgot to refill it in the past year. And I've been driving it on high RPM on a daily basis, without water and without oil. It still runs. It works great. It's FUN to drive.

I love my shitbox. And the 1.1 engine is small but with the weight it's working with, it's enough! It's acceleration from 0 is really good. Amazing for overtaking in city traffic, assertive/ aggressive driving. I can't legally put a bigger engine in it, I could do a turbo, but there's not that big of a need for that honestly. Best city/delivery car. Very fun to drive, terrible resale value but amazing utility value. I love it.

>>28486321 (OP)
same here
forgot to check oil for a while and it just kept going blinking engine temp light every time the traffic stopped us
it drinks a bit like 5l a year, the left ext doorhandle keeps getting stuck open, left mirror adjustment doesn't hold very well, the rear right brake performance triggers the MOT guys but the car keeps going
I'm guessing the rust will eat the chassis away before the engine stops working for good

FIX

>>28486321 (OP)
It was shit along with 90s 500, a garbage vehicle in the shape of international humiliation, underpowered, unreliable, unsafe, had it come in the 80s would have been fine.

>>28486366
UNRELIABLE?!
UN FUCKING RELIABLE?!

I drive a 2007 model, 1.1 fire like yours. The only thing that has rusted so far has been the muffler which i replaced for dirt cheap. Other than that just regular maintenance (oil and filters, brake pads, timing belt). It is surprisingly fun to drive, and it's very practical in the city.

>>28487038
Man I don't know if I am tripping but the background of this picture looks familiar, did you film some cars and put em on youtube?

>>28486333
Yea rust isn't something you can do much about. Mine doesn't have issues with rust though, at least for now. But I do maintain it often.

Also an amazing pro is if the drive belt snaps it's not gonna fuck up the engine at all cause the cylinder movement range doesn't intersect the valve movement range. So when the belt is snapped the cylinder will not crush the valves.

>>28486366
You gotta realize both of these cars are built for city driving. If you're American or just looking at it as a highway vehicle that's not the purpose this machine was built for. Also for an American, city driving is just stop and go, very not fun, essentially cock and ball torture. I pity you.

Drive your 10l naturally aspirated V whateverthefuck hunk of metal engine straight for 12345 miles and get out of this thread

>>28487148
nope

>>28486321 (OP)
I drive a first gen Punto with the same engine. It drinks oil but runs and runs and runs and its suprisingly fast

>>28487284
Bigger petrol engines come in a Punto though

I really want to turn my '94 Cinquecento into a rally spec and daily drive it to work. Am I stupid?

>>28486339
IT

Shame they never actually did anything interesting with the platform

two words: rangeban all europoors

I drive a Seicento 1.1 just like that and the experiences described are consistent with mine. Incredibly solid car if you went by the stereotype, surprisingly silent interior as well. You can smell the burnt oil sometimes but all in all it's a keeper.
Nice gearbox as well.
>>28488314
sneed

>>28486333
zezłomuj to gówno

>>28488195
do it. i know a guy who did that and it's very fun to drive, it feels like a go kart

>>28488195
If it's anything like the seicento do it but bare in mind it's easy to turn over. Very weirdly balanced.

Tho the weird balancing is also what makes it so fun to drive

>>28486321 (OP)
I used to own a Fiat Stilo Abarth. Great car for its time. except for the Selespeed transmission. Can't even count how many times it left me stranded on neutral in a middle of intersections

>>28488588
do you still have the wheels?

Hello there.

>>28488567
They're essentially the same car. The seicento is just the cinquecento with a rounder body, they did that to make the car more appealing to people in the early 2000s. They share many parts and a lot of the rally kits are compatible with both of them.

>>28486321 (OP)
Fiat is the /O/ brand.
Since the 1900s theyve been building cars,racing them,breaking speed records,they have built car that inspired the beetle with 500 toppolino,they built tanks and plane engines trucks and locomotives,they motorised italy after ww2,made another 500 which they sold till 70s when they replaced it with a square 500 (126),their parts were used by abarth and who knows what else,they helped pioneer the modern compact car with fiat 127 three years before golf 1,they bought abarth,alfa romeo and lancia so their legacies would persist,they owned 50% of ferrari since 1969 and got 90% over the years till 2016,they dominated world rallies with fiat 131 abarth,in 60s they began making mid sized luxury sedans which laid ground for cars like m3 and m5 years later and while all this was happening they kept making cheap decent shitboxes that could carry families for generations if maintained properly.
Fiat is the heart and soul of cars.
To my fellow euros buy a 126 and shove a hayabusa engine in the back,shits fun.

>>28488692
I don't see any cinquecentos in my country. There is a lot of seicentos and other Fiats not cinquecentos. Of the older ones I mostly see the older, boxy Panda.

>>28488327
odkoleguj się od śpcięto współobywatela. mie się tam jego szitboks podobywuje
na marginesie, kolega ma takiego w oranżu i niewiadówkę nim ciąga. szacuneczek

>>28489047
same, my guess is the cinquecentos are just that much older (1991-1999) than the seicentos (1998-2010), so they have already disappeared while the seicentos are on their last legs atm. Production numbers are similar (1 vs 1,1 million units)
Fiat made a decent amount of the OG Panda until the end in 2003, so a lot of the ones you see around are not that old

>>28488223
Middle row right is the fiat concept car that would later become the Daewoo -now GM Korea-matiz, aka Chevy Spark...

>>28489247
Designed by Fabrizio -AND Giorgetto iirc? - Giugiaro

I like my Doblo more than I love life itself.

>>28490379
IG that's why they call it the blues

Man went to check the FIAT website since everyone's glazing them and it's the gayest thing I've seen since the Jaguar ad, the logo even has gay rainbow colors and everything. Not a single performance vehicle in sight either, it's all cheap cuck econoboxes and electric chastity cages that look like they're made of plastic, does anyone but women buy these?

>>28486321 (OP)
i totally get the vibe man
I want the same kind of feel, but with an electric
I think i will get me a renault zoe shitbox when they become less than 4k, and drive it like a proper shitbox for grocery runs and things like that

>>28490545
They made an electric version called the Elettra. It was produced from '98 to 2002/4.

>>28490611
nice

>>28487159
Jokes on you retardo, Italfag here and I know well how shitty the 90s 500 and 600 were. Those models were an utter failure with zero resale value and with the worst safety rating. Those who bought them did so because they were cheap, not because of the "city drive" experience; they got them because they couldn't afford any other car, basically a social marking.

>>28491004
Yeah no shit the citycar from 1998 is unsafe and has poor resale value. It was designed to provide cheap transportation to people who couldn't afford anything better (as you said) or just didn't care about what car they were driving, and that's exactly what it did and still does. So in what way is it an utter failure?

>ctrl f
>"Uno"
>0 results

Fags.

I had 2000 brava 1.9 jtd and bravo 1.4
both were pretty reliable and cheap as fuck to maintain (rear shock from Monroe was like 25 euro)
both were old, rusty, but they were moving
I've heard someone say "cycle of life of fiat is like this: first 5 years it degrades slowly, degradation peaks at 5-8 years and then it drives in this state for more 15 years, when it disntegrates completely" which I think is true

>>28486321 (OP)
I had a fiat in high school that was a lot of fun. Lot's of little shit to fix but really simple to work on. Mine was a lot more beat up than picrel though.

>>28486321 (OP)
Fix it again, Tony

>>28490532
my friend, it's always the same rule: old good, new bad
>does anyone but women buy these?
not even women buy nu-Fiat nowdays

btw I would love a Ritmo 105TC, but they are unobtanium where I live

>>28492194
Old Fiats were also cheap shitty econoboxes though? Nostalgia aside no Fiat was ever worth owning.

I have two x19s, can I join the gang?

>>28492216
Only if you post them.

>>28492232
Nah I ain't getting doxxed

>>28492255
Only one at risk of being doxxed is the truckold mexcrement who posted the shack he lives in and his car plates. You'll be fine.

>>28492255
of course

>>28492212
probably you're right, nostalgia is a bitch. But old Fiats were truly cheap to buy and run, and nobody were buying them for luxury or prestige. Evenmore, with an Abarth kit you could own a dangerously fast car for pennies.

>today it's impossible for a new 131, a three times rally championship winner, and an econobox you can larp on with pride

>>28492212
Not always. Of course, overall it has always been the car brand for the masses while higher quality luxury vehicles were covered by Lancia and sporty cars by Alfa Romeo. But in the 60s and 70s they produced some high quality vehicles that could, in my opinion, compete with other European brands.

>>28488223
I love them all so much you wouldn't believe

>>28492293
>But old Fiats were truly cheap to buy and run

I saw a Fiat 131 rally for sale in California...for $120,000 :(

>>28492311
>Modern American used car market
I'm really sorry, anon, it sucks :(

>>28492212
>Fiat was ever worth owning.
punto and bravo are econokino, only suzuki manages to compete

>>28493041
shame they stopped making them

>>28488674
Pandanon, tell me why I shouldn't buy a new Pandina instead of a old 169 like yours

How did Fiat have like 40% market share in Italy with Panda in 1990s? Here a car with 3-5% market share feels like its everywhere on the road and too normal to get.

>>28494163
The Pandina is overpriced in my opinion. It's essentially the 312 (picrel), which has been in production since 2012, with a few things added to it like lane assist and traffic sign recognition so that it could adhere to the latest EU safety regulations. I wouldn't spend 18k for a 2012 car. Also the 169's engines were better imo (FIRE and Multijet).

>>28494174
>cheap
>excellent gas mileage
>easy to drive
>indestructible
I don't particularly like the Panda, but I give it to it to be the true car of the masses

I drive a 1997 Fiat Cinquecento with a 700cc engine. I have owned it for 2 years. I have not added any coolant in it since I bought it, only some mineral water. Whenever something starts knocking I just wait a day or two and it stops. Yesterday it decided to just die on the parking lot of a KFC for no reason, I came back today morning and it was up and running. It has seen every kind of road, from the Autobahn, through the potholes of Lithuania ending at just driving through dirt. I have packed 6 men and 3 backpacks into it. I have achieved the speed of 135km/h using it. I have been in a car accident in it. And the fucking casette player just stopped working. I have bought it for 832$.

>>28494315
this is the story of a hero

>>28494315
the car the spartans drove to the Battle of Thermopylae

>>28490379
I, too, am very satisfied with the FIAT Diablo I purchased.

>>28494315
>I have been in a car accident in it.
and you survived?`

>>28494963
the I crashed in a Volvo and survived vergin vs I crashed in a FIAT and survived chad

>>28495010
nooo poor 126

>>28494963
some guy just bumped into me on the ice, caused a crack in the chassis and the right strut mount to break but it did alright
funny that a guy in a 2014 mazda could not stop on solid ice while a cinquecento on 2 bare summer tires and 2 all year tires could stop

>>28495066
low mass easier to stop
simple physics

>>28495079
The Cinquecento's brakes are on par with the ones on the Fiat 126p.

>>28495195
retard

>>28495230
I don't think lower mass makes much for brakes that even on dry ground dont do much more than slow down instead of stopping.

>>28495260
case in point

>>28494163
>>28494198
Never understood why they made the Uno and Panda at the same time, they're basically the same car.

>>28495356
because the uno is only for south american markets

>>28495374
I think he's wondering why they made a different flavor of the Panda instead of just selling them the same car to that market as well.

>>28495356
Uno is for people that don't have Panda.
The last proper Uno was made 30 years ago.
Mine would be 40 years old by now.

>>28495374
Uno was sold in Europe as well.

>>28495386
I had an European Uno. It has never been a Panda-alike.
That aside I think the name is being cited as one for a new Euro vehicle.

>>28486321 (OP)
Used to own mk2 punto 1.2 8v as my first car.
Man i lived that thing.
Never let me down even though it mever fully ral always was something broken.
Went up to 150km/h with it.
Sadly 4 years of sitting on grass has killed the chassis. But i bet engine wouldve fired right up.
Wanted to get an abarth one as 2nd car but couldnt find one unless they were away and like 7k€.
Bought an alfa romeo 155 and then soon after found one abarth punto for like 1k in my hometown.
Bless the fiats

>>28491137
When a car series isn't a brand legacy it's a failure, thankfully the opposite was for the 2003 Panda model that was the right decision to take for FIAT.

>28496402
Just to be clear, you think the Seicento was a failure because Fiat decided to abandon the nameplate for the successor?

>>28496351
that engine is immortal

>>28496691
yup
the thermostat and lambda were replaced many times but it always started without any issues.

>>28496697
did you end up getting the abarth with the 1.4 t-jet? if so how is it?

>>28496707
nope I didint
also the 2nd gen abarth has the pratola serra 1,8 engine not a 1,4

>>28496709
sorry, my bad. i was thinking about the grande punto abarth

>>28496709
Ok someone has to say this.
South American Fiats arent proper Italian Fiats, they are mostly In The World of their own. Euros can get South American Fiats but South Americans largely can't get European ones.
You can get a Punto with T-jet, that's just how they come. You can also get one with the Pratola engine if you really feel the need to in Europe.
Factory support sucks if you have a South American Fiat in Europe.

>Europoors

>>28496714
fair enough i figured out so
>>28496725
if i understood correctly you imply that only south america got pratola serra in puntos?
except that is from 2nd gen punto wiki
>Four petrol engines with multi-point injection system were available, as well as one indirect injection diesel and three common rail turbocharged diesel engines with intercooler (JTD and MultiJet). The 1.8 16v and the 1.9 MultiJet engines were available only with the three-door version in the HGT trim level.[21]
and abarth is just HGT with a bodykit.
>>28496733
>amerifats

Just for people that like this kind of thing.

>>28496817

>>28496817
That's a Nissan.
South America got their own version called "Toro", which uses the same chassis and engine from the Jeep Renegade.

I had the type four back in the day. Big old wobbly thing in red.
A bit hectic when you got it sliding.

>>28496934
Yeah. It probably runs good for that.

>>28496934
My import guy would love me to order one of those.

>>28496945
Dunno if they're ever allowed in the EU, only 2 Airbags.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-c5_7Zpv-c

>>28496979
You can get "Single vehicle type approval" for oddballs.
A guy will inspect your thingy and if it is safe-ish he will give you the nod.
You can't manufacture them but unless it is Cybertruck level of stupidness you can almost allways run one.

>>28492194
130TC was god tier hot hatch in its day.

I'd rather the pre-facelift car.
My dad owned one.

Not his.

>>28491284
7.5 to sixty. About the same as any supercar of its era.

>>28496945
Of course he would

>>28497111
A 20 foot container from South America is a fair few pennies. Dude just manages who gets the pennies.

>>28486321 (OP)
My sister had 2. Both 200.000km+. The only thing that killed them were her driving habits.

>>28496985
I know a few Palio Weekend ended up there, but i think all of them were independent imports, not official.

>>28497145
a woman i know got hers to 400k km but she demolished the clutch. i think she got it fixed tho, i still see it around

>>28497123
yeah

>enter thread to laugh at fiaggot's
>renember i drive 15yo peugeot

>>28498867
Mine was silver with the space-invader dash.
I think the only work it ever needed was an exhaust.

>>28498867

>>28498867
S E D I C I V A L V O L E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKKw7QF_YWc

>>28499009
Fiat made a lot of SOVLful engines.

>>28499239
Bertone?

>>28499523
yes

>>28498909
kino
Why can't UI/UX designers go back to this? Instead they come up with their shitty smart phone gauge cluster designs.

>>28502183
idk this stuff looks a lot more futuristic than an ipad glued to the dash

>>28495386
yeah, in the 80s
the uno in your pic has nothing to do with europe

The first time all the obvious stuff small hatches have these days was first available in one car pic.
Transverse engine, overhead cam, McPherson strut, hatch all the obvious stuff.
Quite fun too if your idea of fast was 80mph.

>>28488674
How low can the 1.2 go, Fire bros?

>>28490532
>performance vehicle
are you 12?

>>28502955
Great car. A lot of its parts were used for the X1/9.

>>28504004
In an alternative universe, Fiat executives didn't dump the X1/9 for the 131 in rallies, and it became the true Stratos successor, leading a change in the rules because it was unbeatable
>a man can dream

>>28504004
I cant state how much I love the x1/9
too bad the models i can afford need serious resto work.