Thread 28558131

>All the roadkill nights reveal was just i6 charger and V8 Durango, both of which were known for months
Dodge is a dead brand

killing the LX cars which was the best shit Dodge made was pants on head retarded. they should've continued producing those into the sunset. they were practically Dodge's panther body. people would've continued buying them no matter how outdated because they filled a niche no other car did and proved that americans still wanted RWD sedans that weren't luxury branded.

>>28558221
>pays 93% of the profit from each car to tesla for carbon credits

>>28558131 (OP)
>i6 charger
Expected as much. A way to hype the SIX PACK that's about to go market. Though that least a HEMI Charger concept car would have been nice.

>V8 Durango
>V6 Durango is kill*
>*fleet lease option only
Cue the Pentasister cope.

>>28558414
>v6 'rango is dead
Damn rip

>>28558131 (OP)
What'll really boil your bananas is these are starting at $54,000. Nobody is buying the basic bitch one upon debut so realistically these are $60,000 5000lb twin turbo I6 cars pushing 30PSI. The scatpack is $58,000 with the V8 model "coming soon".

I'm 100% confident they looked at performance figures of the prior charger/challenger, and looked at performance figures of the 400Z and Mustang GT and decided to price it according to the performance figures. AMD and nVidia do this with their graphics cards where they price stuff based on the performance, regardless of actual input cost.

That means the V8 version will be $80,000 cars (mid trim) and the hellcat redeye yes-we-do-finance street takeover edition will be $120,000.

>>28558414
>>28558653
https://media.stellantisnorthamerica.com/newsrelease.do?id=26497&mid=
the Pentastar is being revised for Wranglers and Rams, the Durango itself is on the way out.
spy shots say it's getting a new upper manifold and possibly standard hybridization, but that was before the CAFE rollback.

>>28558131 (OP)
It's too fuckin big bros.
A car 206 inches long is impossible for me to drive.

>>28558772
>pentastar is being revised
Lol no the gen 2 project was finished by 2015 and that motor is never going to get touched by engineers again.
It's being kept as an option, is what that press release says.

>>28558131 (OP)
Reminder the EV charger weighs 5850 pounds with that 1200 pound or so battery and simple assumption puts the i6TT in the 5000s range.

Size of a medium sedan, weight of a crew cab truck.
Fucking amazing.

>>28558221
>they filled a niche no other car did
And thats why they had to go.
This isnt about what YOU want, its about what THEY decide you can have.

>>28558755
GME platform handles 30psi pretty well as long as you change the oil at 5k instead of 10k

>>28558872
I'm sure its fine, seems like the hurricane engine is receiving relatively decent reviews from the crate engines and initial enthusiast tests. Typical chrysler shit of electrical is the major problem, not the engine. 30psi for any production gasoline engine is a bit concerning every way you look at it. Then on top of it you have to rely on the average consumer to change the oil with full synthetic at 5000 miles when their last shitbox they just changed it whenever they felt like it be it 5k miles or 25k miles.

>>28558847
wrong

2025 hybrid 1500 getting an entirely new e-torque unit based on the hemi hybrid and several new parts

read em and weep camlet
v8 = faggot boomer driveway queen
V6 = does all the actual work

They were retarded for killing the hemi.

>>28559025
>v8 = faggot boomer driveway queen
>V6 = does all the actual work
Nailed it.

>>2855902>>28559032
What the fuck are you talking about retard

>>28559025
>>28559032
What the fuck are you talking about retard

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>>28558131 (OP)
They had a golden opportunity to use Giulia platform as the basis for the Challenger and Charger. Would’ve knocked the weight way down and brought the chassis into the modern era. Revise the 5.7 and the 6.4 to maybe be aluminum, have both port and direct injection like the Coyote and bump the compression up along with usual changes to cams, heads etc etc. A ~3,800lb ScatPack would damn near be running high 10s to low 11s out of the box with a tire. Would’ve been so cool.

>>28559079
The day dodge respects all alu dohc 4 valves is the day hell freezes over. Nevermind that it would have solved all their problems 15 years ago.

>>28559138
the Pentastar is an all alu dohc 4 valve that has been in production since 2011 thoughbeit
apparently people like having slow gimped farty pushrod v8s with the power density of a fucking vespa scooter and an inflated price to match, gee thanks joe and don you fucking tanbed-using faggots
the 3.6 has literally 2x the power density of the 5.7 and is 200 lbs lighter. you have to step up to 6+ liters to get the same kind of driving feel as a V6. even then the heavy iron V8 destroys the weight balance and ruins the car's handling so much an GR86 can beat a Hellcat Chally around a curvy enough track. people who buy the 5.7 because "muh vee ate" are literal casuals. v8 thumping is the automotive equivalent of playing fortnite or roblox.

>>28559232
but the pentastar SUCKS

>>28559237
Drop the pstar in a gr86 and you have a car as track fast as a base model c8 vette.

>>28559232
>>28559237
You're the gayest nigger on /o/ btw

>>28559242
Disregard that I suck cocks.
>>28559232
Damn, Dale Earndhart looks like that?

>>28559245
its britbong dale
are nige

>>28559232
Man put it to rest. The power density argument does nothing for real world performance if you’re still making less.

>>28559138
Even if they keep the Hemi pushrod but update it like I originally posted, you’d have a solid performer. Not arguing against DOHC, I just highly doubt Stellantis/Dodge has the cash to spin up a completely new engine production line.

>UHHH ITS NAWT A TREW DAWGE IT NEEDS A FAHVE SEVEN AND REAR WHEEL DRIVE ONLY
I'm convinced 5.7 owners are actually closeted
masochists and enjoy losing every race.
AWD is a fucking game changer and the inline six will make 700+ with just a tune and a waste gate.
>t.392 owner

>>28559683
Why are you sperging?

>>28559683
>and the inline six will make 700+ with just a tune and a waste gate.
That seems be be the untold story of the engine. It makes more horsepower than most modern V8s while sounding like an I-6 (which isn't bad).

If dodge wasn't fully retarded, they'd sell the Hurricane crate engine for $9000 and watch people drop it in everything that'll fit it. That'll drive OEM sales because everyone watching their favorite youtuber roast v8 cars and put down respectable numbers at the drag strip will see the potential in a production car with that engine.

>>28559658
>The power density argument does nothing for real world performance

you are fucking retarded
look dude, go actually DRIVE the cars you're talking about instead of parroting boomer horseshit. power density is drivability.
it matters a lot. it's all about the engine's response to your input, and the Pentastar has an unmatched snappiness. the V8s do not have anywhere near that kinda feeling until you get into the supercharged cars. it's a night and day difference. the v6 is an actual honest to god sports car, the v8 drives like a my mom's old gen 1 v6 ford explorer.

a car's quarter mile time and 0-60 is totally fucking irrelevant when you can't even put all that power to the ground without turning the goodyears to vapor. a car's top speed is irrelevant when the heavy lump giving it that speed also ruins the handling to the point it can be beaten by a 4-cylinder subaru in a live test. if the hemi was an aluminum block like na LS that actually made more power than it weighs i'd have a different opinion but my guy the 5.7 is a true pile of shit.

>>28558131 (OP)
Well. The newest Durango V8 Hemi gets 5000$ price cut, making it cheaper than discontinued 3.6liter 6 cylinder engine was.

>>28560172
they're trying to clear inventory because the 'rango is the last Mercedes-derived platform in the lineup
the 3.6 outsells the 5.7 4 to 1, there are plenty of them already

>>28560000
>Hurricane crate engine for $9000
It's actually $10,985.00

https://www.dcperformance.com/p-hurricrate-cat1-twin-turbo-crate-engine-68643792aa

>>28560218
Thats really not unreasonable for 450hp out of the box, and 700 with some tuning and mild bolt-on parts. Where else are you getting that, and don't say junkyard LS because that'd be $5000 for a clapped out piece of shit that needs $1000 in turbo, $1500 of repairs, and about 9 hours of cleaning/checking to get it to 700hp.

>>28560000
Man I don't even care that much about numbers I just want gas i6s to not die
Its god's chosen engine configuration but its too long for transverse and not muh V8
bmw is only manufacturer I can think of that makes i6s that aren't vaporware like the hurricane

>>28560256
>i6s that aren't vaporware like the hurricane
You're now manually aware they've given away dozens of engines to youtubers to generate hype, and its going in basically every stellantis vehicle going forward. Everything larger than a compact SUV.
Do you even know what vaporware is?

>>28560280
I am well aware of what vaporware is
I also know it hardly matters how many engines they hand out when all of the stellantichrist's brands save for maybe jeep and ram are floundering like fish on the shore

>>28560286
the 'cane is in the production wagoneer thoughbeit

>>28560286
Are you a spiritual boomer or just a dumbass?

>>28559232
Chally Wally I really don't think you understand just how European you sound

>>28560499
oh i know
my taste in cars and my opinions on automotive perfection are simply so superior it seems as though i am from another planet
big numbers do not impress me, the whole car has to be in balance for big number to make a difference, otherwise you're just paying for clout so you can argue with people online which is retarded.
the vast majority of v8 LXs will never be raced, and those that do will lose to a truly built car anyway, so why bother coping like you're gonna take the trophy at the summer nationals with a fucking stock scat pack? it's all a gay larp that i refuse to play and the braincell-deprived masses of /o/ hate me for it.

>>28560038
>snappiness
Strange cope about being slower than a quarter century old 2V Mustang.

>>28560521
>pic
I wish I could kill this self-important prick myself.

>>28559240
Dodge could have done something like that 30 years ago, but they didn't

>Dodge Venom Concept
>Circa 1994
>245hp from 3.5L V6
>6-speed manual
>2,700 pounds

That 3.5L V6 was the predecessor to the Pentstar by the way.

>>28560256
you're an idiot
Mercedes and Mazda both make turbo i6 engines for their mass market cars, and the hurricane is not vaporware, you can go and buy a RAM 1500 with it right now

>>28559079
I've had a tech tell me that the Giorgio platform doesn't handle the torque that the HEMI puts out and that's why it was never used. Sounds like bullshit, but it does explain the insanely large STLA platform and LX platform of the past (The LX platform of course handling insane amounts of torque from the V12 Mercedes cars)

>>28560218
>i beams
>cast alu pistons
Yeah 700 or so is about the tops you'll get reliably.

>>28559232
You're forgetting one part of the equation: torque.
These cars are enormous. All the advantages you mention of having a smaller engine goes out the window (as does fuel economy) when the crank is asked to keep spinning in spite of everything around it.

>>28559683
The 5.7L isn't for going fast. It's for spending nothing and sounding amazing while attracting women.

I await your cope when they make it the base engine for the foodstamp Charger just like they did the Durango.

>>28560872
the QV motor is about as powerful as a HEMI and people tune it and make even more power
it's definitely more of a handful to drive than a Challenger but the TBD and modern stability control keep it from being a widowmaker

>>28560886
>Yeah 700 or so is about the tops you'll get reliably.
To be fair, 700hp for $11k is still pretty decent and allegedly a tune and wastegate is all thats needed. Where else are you getting that level of power for that cheap?

>>28560897
Garbage that needs 6psi of boost just to match what a 6.4 makes with a cam