Thread 28558325

This upsets the mutt.
>inb4 the 2 pre facelift models that blew up

>a homologation special that turned out unnecessary, they made it purely for shits and giggles
It's incredibly based

>>28558325 (OP)
Ugly front end and a tad too short. Toyota makes appealing cars but struggles with the design language.

>>28558325 (OP)
You know we get the Corolla GR which is the same shit, right?

>>28558360
>Thinking a $50k road car has anything in common with a $500k rally car.

amerimutt here
Why am i upset all of a sudden

>>28558844
they think we're upset that they get an over stressed 3 cyl while we have an endless supply of 400+ horsepower v8 corvettes.

ugly. just like the corolla

>>28558850
>overstressed 3cyl
HKS was running 450whp for 3 years with zero issues, letting random drivers flog the crap out of it at events every weekend

>>28558869
and i'm sure HKS was totally running a stock engine right?.... right? it's not like they would have anything to gain by building the engine so their demo car wouldn't explode and hurt their image.

>>28558841
>You know we get the Corolla GR which is the same shit, right?
lol this, it even has the """updated it was fixed we promise""" engine that the OP keeps coping about, and its still a POS.

>>28558325 (OP)
>This upsets the mutt.

Turbo 3 cylinder, FWD, yeah, I'm super jealous.

>>28558869
>>28558888
The aussies' 740hp drag GR Yaris is in fact using stock internals

>>>28558946
FWD

>>28558869
>>28558888
The aussies' 740hp drag GR Yaris is in fact using stock internals

>>28558946
>FWD

>>28558965
>FWD

Yeah, FWD. A FWD based AWD system is FWD. Occasionally pumping power to the rear wheels when you lose traction doesn't mean its not FWD 90% of the time.

>>28558325 (OP)
It upsets me that a 3cylinder engine making who cares how little power and a mildly interesting body kit makes it about $45,000 knowing it'll be a burn pile of rusted metal before long.

This is a $28,000 car all day long. Toyota is fucking stupid charging so much for a shoddy matchbox car. And before you go crashing out over your purchase, I'll see you around the track in a mustang. A Corolla is getting dumpstered by most other cars at the same price point.

>>28558984
>another irrelevant X vs mustang post
Why don't you share your feelings with this Corvette owner instead

>>28558998
his car and her car lol

>>28558998
>Why don't you share your feelings with this Corvette owner instead
My feelings on this image from 2017 are irrelevant. Its an overpriced car that offers underwhelming performance for the price, and with how many have caught fire or experiencing catastrophic problems means its a shitbox.

You might not like it but this is peak design according to nobody

>>28558965
>740hp drag GR Yaris is in fact using stock internals
[X]

>>28559007
It is true the price creep for this car is getting ridiculous. The old MSRP plus LSD (performance pack) for just under $39k USD was the most attractive. As for everything else, it's just typical /o/ arm chair behavior who only knows how to read numbers and can't grasp the unquantifiable. It's a good drivers car given you bought it at the right price. If you want a straight line car, go get a Golf R DSG. I think these Corvette and Porsche owners who have a GR Corolla as their second car have a lot more credibility than you do :^)

>>28559029
$39k if it could do AWD burnouts I could get behind. But once you're creeping into actual fast car prices you'd have to be legally retarded to buy a Corolla.

>>28559038
How are you gonna use all that extra power huh? On ramps everyone once in a while? Are you going to track it often? Owning a 400+ hp car is a complete waste on public roads. It’s a little dick flex to make other dudes think, “wow, I bet that guy can go real fast!” 99% of the time you’re stuck behind RAV4s and hybrid Civics. Most of you have never owned a genuinely fast car, but take it from someone who has that it’s more enjoyable to get a car that feels amazing to drive most of the time, not a car that can do a theoretical 10 second quarter mile in ideal circumstances you’ll never have.

>>28559038
Believe me, people who were lining up to buy this car already knww they're paying for something special and capable package rather than a top of the line car. The interior is just a regular Corolla hatchback (technically a hair worse) but with bespoke parts on the main touch point areas: wheel, seats, shifter. The speakers are "garbage". Your money is going towards an all-Toyota sports car, quirky and overboosted 100hp/L engine, rally-inspired/derived AWD drivetrain and styling. Car does really well on mixed surface and snow. It's a jack of all trades car. If your main concern is to be able to do burnouts, then yeah that speaks a lot about you and your mustang lmao. Not everyone strictly buys cars based on performance per dollar, otherwise everyone would buy domestic American muscle cars, but the reality is most people are spending more money to NOT own American. No one cares American cars get more horsepower for the dollar.

>>28558976
its always-active AWD even in the "default" 60%F/40%R ratio. it isnt passive AWD like VW Haldex etc.

>>28559060
Well said anon. The GR Corolla is amazing to drive and is one of the best enthusiast cars I’ve ever driven. This is coming from someone whose owned or drive GTRs, Vettes, R8s, and many others over the years. The Corolla has a presence and feel that has been missing from cars since the early 2000s, but really since the 90s.

>>28558998
>>28559029
>>28559060
you know your car is shit when you have to post pictures of it next to actually legitimate sports cars in order to give it some kind of "credit".

>>28559070
Do they even allow test drives for the GR?

I've finally started seeing them on the road in my area, south of Seattle. I saw a white one from Kansas yesterday with my mom, wish they had a GR version with the stock Corolla body. It's too bulbous looking compared to the Golf.

I also saw a blue one, and a white one near my house. Shame about the interior and pricing, the GTI beats it in every way with a Stage 1 tune imo price-wise, although I am biased being an owner of two.

>>28558325 (OP)
why is this 300hp AWD car only a half second faster 0-60 than a 180hp miata?

>>28559081
hahaha jesus christ. Rental car spec versus race tuned Yaris and the rental car disposable chassis is still faster.

>>28559097
the rental spec car is also on all seasons, while the yaris actually has sport tires. the difference between an actual driver's car and a souped up shitbox.

there's a reason Subaru used the Alpha platform as a benchmark for the WRX STI ST09.

>>28558325 (OP)
Is this Europe's Hellcat?

>>28559104
bit cheeky innit

>>28559104
This is India's porche.
Goyota gayaris/goyolla is the jeetmobile.

>>28559070
Thanks, I have the "right" idea because I own one :^) The strengths and the flaws. And having followed the car closely for this long, I have an idea of what kind of people have dropped money on a GR Corolla. Corvette owners, Porsche owners, Lotus owners, Evo owners, etc

>>28559082
2023-2024 was its hottest years but post-covid was still in effect. Too few cars, too much hype. (Most) dealers were not really offering discounts, mostly pre-sold, no test drives. Having said that, I cannot speak much for 2025 after its refreshed model. I know discounts are a thing now.

Volkswagen underrates their figures. Paired with a DSG, I'm not surprised it dusts the GR Corolla 8AT. Golfs also have their tuning all figured out, GR Corollas not so much.

>>28558984
Would you like it more if it were a 4cyl 1.6l instead of a 3cyl 1.6l?

>>28559103
>the rental spec car is also on all seasons, while the yaris actually has sport tires.
Jesus fucking christ how is the Yaris then not a $28,000 car?

>>28558984
>This is a $28,000 car all day long.
Not its not we are in 2025 not 2019

>>28559123
Compare the Camaro sale prices to the Yaris sale prices.

>>28559123
if GM can sell you car with better reliability and performance for that price, why can't toyota?

>>28559125
>>28559126
They don't make Camaros anymore best muscle car for the money is the mustang now. I would rather have a mustang than the yaris however they are not the same kind of car.

>>28559132
Stop being obtuse. Compare the last year of production price of the Camaro, and compare it with the Yaris price. Even accounting for what, 2 years of inflation, whats the difference?

>>28559082
And a lot of cars are better than the R. I loved the GR even if it’s half a second slower to 60 and has the interior of a 25k car. I used to own one and loved it. Sold it and imported a S15 Aero R. I love the S15, but regularly think about the GR. I’m debating getting another while I can still get one new. Also like the facelift despite most people shitting on it.

>>28559111
Based and checked!

>>28559134
The difference is it was clearly not profitable enough so they snubbed the line of the Camero but not the Yaris or rather the GR Corolla. The Camero is dead doesn't matter if it was recent it didn't make it. If Toyota has to charge more to make it work that's what they have to do.

>>28559058
I have a 485 HP car. It's awesome and you're a pussy.

>>28558325 (OP)
Why on earth would I care? It’s just some goyslop nip box.

>>28559179
the sixth gen camaro was produced for 8 years and the yaris/corolla GR has only been out for 3. the GR Supra is ending production despite not having even been produced as long as the Camaro. the Yaris will follow suit in about 3 more years time at most.

>>28559179
Camaros stopped selling in the US because every worthless shithead got a used one making it a trashy car. Same with the challenger, charger, and even mustang. Mustang sales are terribly low and consistently down year over year. The Ford family is adamant it keeps going on, but its a loser for profits. Similar story to the Miata. Its not a big seller, and not a big profit but someone high up in the company will get shot if miata production stops.

>>28559191
>the GR Supra is ending production despite not having even been produced as long as the Camaro
Isn't this up to BMW and the Z4

>>28559191
And when it dies we can now longer compare it to cars that are still being made by MSRP.
>>28559192
I hope the mustang carries on, the coyote sounds so good and the price is pretty good imo.
>Similar story to the Miata. Its not a big seller, and not a big profit but someone high up in the company will get shot if miata production stops.
kek

>>28559192
those same worthless shitheads are buying GR Corollas NEW and blowing them up.

most new Camaro/Mustang/Challenger owners are white boomers.

>>28559195
>i can't use an inflation calculator so we can't compare two prices

>>28559206
A new 1969 charger R/T would cost $26,000 adjusted for inflation today and is better than the yaris or camero for the money.

>>28558850
I like both though

>>28558984
Post Mustang

>>28559029
Everyone I know who owned a Evo 8/9 went to a GR Corolla and says it drives 90% the same.

>>28559192
Camaro owners on /o/ are insecure, it's kinda sad tbqh. They brag about lap times but never track their cars too, it's pathetic.

>>28558325 (OP)
Not a GRY, but I fucking love mine.

I'm american and I love it. I wish we got it here instead of the gr bloatrolla. Oh well. What can you do. We have the mustang and challenger we still won

>>28559192
The problem with the mustang is it's 80k. The interior is ipad city, an assault on the senses and the eyes. It's fast and it drives well and all but real issue is the GT used to be a 30k car and nobody wants to pay BMW prices for a mustang. The interior being awful doesn't help. It also pisses me off, if you saw the savagegeese interview with ford on the dark horse, the designer wanted to go with a classic s197esque design but ford killed it and focused grouped the le angery look. That's very painful desu.

>>28559278
>The problem with the mustang is it's 80k
retard

>>28559278
>80k for a mustang GT
are you in europe.

>>28559287
>>28559292
My bad it's only 50k. The dark horse, which is the one with the tremec that's actually good (like the mach one) is 80k.

>>28558325 (OP)
ya ugly things are pretty distressing to witness

>>28559314
I think you do not understand the serious inflation the US has incurred and the fucked up global trade with the EPA as icing on top. The avg house in the US is now has a medium price of $419,000.00, rent has doubled in my area in just 6 years. Things are more expensive and we are all much poorer. Mustang prices are not bad at all given the situation.

>>28559338
good thing i'm a vegetarian. the average price of refried beans is $0.98.

>>28559058
I've been banging this drum as well, in a bid to reclaim /o/ from the bus riders

I have a 200kw at the wheels evo 8 (the corolla gr allegedly feels like an updated evo). I want to upgrade my turbo, but the reality is that I barely hit full boost as it is

I wish there were more cheap rwd saloons, it's a shame everything is fwd or awd. I wish I could do more low speed hooning without traction

>>28559123
Unfortunately true, because our governments keep deficit spending (to give money to Israel and illegal immigrants) and throwing us the interest bill

>>28559338
Cool it with the anti semetic remarks ;)

>>28558325 (OP)
3 cylinders
I can't stand the sound.

>>28559338
>>28559440
I have enough direct experience that I can say that a proper sports car isn't any faster than a ~220hp family car on roads like this, in the real world with occasional traffic. Nobody will exceed 140kph anyway when you can't see what's around the next corner. I know people make fun of "muh slow car fast", but really you should get a car that's optimised for enjoyment around that performance window if you're not going to do track days. That's why rich cunts build Alfaholics restomods and stuff.
I think cars like the A110 would be much more popular if people prioritised actual driving enjoyment over pointless numbers-based dick measuring. Except of course that the A110 still doesn't have a fucking manual option, disgraceful.

>>28559494
a 4 cylinder camaro would still be more enjoyable to drive. its not powerful and has a far better chassis than anything else under 100k.

>>28559497
More fun compared to what? My daily (2.0 Audi A3)? Sure. Definitely not the GR Yaris, since it's designed for that performance window I was talking about. Because it's a pseudo-homologation special for rallying, it has some features that are shit for circuit racing, but are good for performance in rallying and fun for messing about on public roads. For example, the very short wheelbase. When a modern 911 is already kind of pigfat for such roads, the Camaro is even worse off.

>>28559508
>More fun compared to what?
a FWD-based """rally""" car that explodes with hard driving and overloads its AWD system.

streets of willow simulates the roads you are talking about, and yet the camaro is still better than the yaris on them.

>>28558325 (OP)
Well I guess it's better than nothing but I can't get excited over any fwd based car.
I remember someone at work getting so exasperated over me not liking this thing. "but you're the toyota guy" "it has a carbon fiber roof" "it's got 300 horsepower" or whatever. He just couldn't understand why the toyota guy wasn't interested.

>>28559515
>FWD-based
Meaningless term. It uses the same drivetrain layout as the rally car, which is just AWD that decouples the rear driveshaft when you use the handbrake.
The main difference is that the Rally2 car is pure 50/50 compared to the road car's rear bias, and the facelift has more peak power than the Rally2.
>"""rally""" car that explodes with hard driving and overloads its AWD system.
Much rarer than people claim, and a non-factor for the driving conditions I was talking about.
>streets of willow simulates the roads you are talking about, and yet the camaro is still better than the yaris on them.
No, a wide, sweeping circuit in a desert does not simulate narrow, hairpin-laden alpine roads you delusional retard.

>>28559523
>It uses the same drivetrain layout as the rally car,
pretty irrelevant when its not a rally car, and can't handle the abuse of one.
>Much rarer than people claim
the people claiming that are owners. even the Japanese claim these explode especially when used for actual rally.
>a wide, sweeping circuit
retard who clearly has no idea what streets of willow is.

>>28559523
>Meaningless term.
How the fuck is "fwd-based" a meaningless term? It tells the consumer everything they need to know. If it has a sideways engine in the front, It's not worth buying. Simple as.
Front transverse layout is a product of bean counters and marketers, not engineers.

>>28559532
That's like 5 or 6 cars wide. How is it not wide and sweeping?

>>28559532
Yes. Just because it isn't COTA doesn't make it in any way comparable to a mountain road.

>>28559533
>Front transverse layout is a product of bean counters and marketers, not engineers.
Longitudinal AWD generally results in more front-heavy cars which is exactly what you don't want in rallying.

>>28559540
>Longitudinal AWD generally results in more front-heavy cars which is exactly what you don't want in rallying.
Sure it you put the engine in front because you're too cheap and gay to make a real rally car like the s4 or rs200

>>28559540
delusional and retarded.
>>28559540
other than hairpin spam, there isn't really much difference. you can also look at pikes peak as an example, an actual mountain road where camaros still dominate.

>>28559537
delusional and retarded.
>>28559540
other than hairpin spam, there isn't really much difference. you can also look at pikes peak as an example, an actual mountain road where camaros still dominate.

>>28559545
50/50 weight distribution (which is what transverse FA gives you) is preferable over the rear bias of a mid-engined car. Group B was slower than everything that came afterwards except the very start of the Group A era, even though every following era had higher weight limits and less power except for the hybrid era.
The fastest rally in history was last week.

>>28559555
>The fastest rally in history was last week.
And yet nobody cares because they're gay fwd based cuck-boxes instead of glorious beasts like in the group B era.
Also you're just plain mistaken about front engine rally cars having the same performance potential as the mid engine ones. Using your retard logic all supercars should be front engine.

>>28559540
>Longitudinal AWD generally results in more front-heavy cars
Compared to what, retard?
Trannyverse AWD means all of the engine is in the front overhang, the gearbox is partially in the front overhang, there's usually no transfer case (and all the shit is still somewhere around the front axle)
Whereas longitudinal AWD puts only small part of the engine before the front axle (some implementations don't have even that, they are front-mid). Transmission is further back, and transfer case is even further and close to the center of the car.

>>28559555
You are a fucking retard

>>28559558
He's making that statement based purely on the audi, which due being based on an existing road car, never intended for group b, did have less than optima weight distribution.

>>28559561
But it's a known fact that Audis can't turn
Why even?

>>28558325 (OP)
>"cars are so boring these days it's all blob suvs why manufacturers don't sell cool cars anymore?"
>*toyota delivers*
>"what a gay corolla would never buy this ugly car I need four doors you know it really needs at least a V6 turbo and gotta be max $26,999 but I would get one used for half of that"

peak /o/
core amerimutt
bunch of fucking retards

>>28559558
IIrc sometimes modern rally cars cheat a bit and lean the engine backwards in the wrc car despite the road car having the engine leaning forwards over the axle. I've heard that somewhere.

>>28559567
Any examples?

>>28559566
Nice plebbitspacing, eurocuck, go back.

>>28559557
Nobody cares because the WRC promoter is extremely incompetent and RallyTV is overpriced. The cars themselves are kino and mog everything except for the 2017 World Rally Cars.
Group B cars mostly went for mid-engine layouts because the AWD systems were extremely primitive, so it was a workaround for issues caused by that. In terms of actual balance with better AWD systems, front-engine is superior. They're unstable enough under braking, you don't want even more of the weight in the rear.
>>28559558
Subaru were never able to achieve the same balance as their transverse I4 competition.
>>28559559
Not a rally car, not a rally stage. Very different requirements.

>>28559561
>Longitudinal AWD generally results in more front-heavy cars
>generally results
>generally
>purely on the audi

>>28559571
>Pikes peak isn't a rally stage
Retard

>>28559566
nothing cooler than getting your warranty denied because the manufacturer knows they're pedaling a POS.

>>28559566
Anon you have incredibly low standards if you think this is delivering.
A 86 with a good engine would have been delivering. Nobody asked for a fast yaris.
>>28559568
My interest levels in post-group-b rally are far too low to provide examples but it is something I've heard a few times over the years.

>>28559571
>Subaru were never able to achieve the same balance as their transverse I4 competition.
>while talking about consumers and marketing not rally competition
Retard.

>>28559573
ok point me towards a discussion about longitudal front engine awd rally cars being front heavy that doesn't talk about the audi, I'll wait.

>>28559582
>rally
How is this even relevant? Do you have a couple of special stages on your daily commute? What set of technical regulations do you have to comply with to get your groceries?
>that doesn't talk about the audi
>talk
Oh, we're doing benchracing here. I understand now.

>>28559585
>How is this even relevant?
Gee I don't know genius. Maybe because the poster who brought it up was talking about rally?

>>28559585
>Do you have a couple of special stages on your daily commute?
You won't believe this but I did actually live next to a WRC stage for a few years so I did drive part of a rally stage daily, yes.

>>28559578
>My interest levels in post-group-b rally are far too low to provide examples but it is something I've heard a few times over the years.
Group B is the most overrated shit ever. The cars were slow and fragile, the drivers rarely pushed except for the few cherry-picked moments you see on highlight reels. Switching to Group A regulations was absolutely the right choice.

>>28559585
>How is this even relevant? Do you have a couple of special stages on your daily commute? What set of technical regulations do you have to comply with to get your groceries?
I don't see the issue, the entire point is that there's nothing wrong with transverse AWD from a performance/rallying or daily driving perspective. The GR Yaris (and the Delta Integrale, Lancer Evo, etc) uses a transverse system because it makes sense both for the rally car and the road car. The issue people here have with it is aesthetic because it looks like FWD under the hood and they can't tell the difference between the Yaris' permanent AWD and a Haldex system

>How is this even relevant? Do you have a couple of special stages on your daily commute?
I'm Swiss, many of my local roads would make for great tarmac stages.

>>28559589
And look at the post this was a reply to:
>How the fuck is "fwd-based" a meaningless term? It tells the consumer everything they need to know. If it has a sideways engine in the front, It's not worth buying. Simple as.
>Front transverse layout is a product of bean counters and marketers, not engineers.
It says "consumer" and "marketers", not "rally teams". Are you fucking retarded?
By the way, "rally heritage" is usually invoked by the said marketers to promote the car among benchracer kids. I mean even their parents usually know that (real) racing cars are a product of very specific technical regulations and restrictions and are basically cucked by them.

>>28559597
> or daily driving perspective
A lot is wrong. Both from the driving and from the wrenching perspectives.

>>28559595
>>28559597
>special stage is just a funny road
You can make a special stage literally in your backyard. The road itself is not what makes it a stage or special.

>>28559597
>uses a transverse system because it makes sense both for the rally car and the road car.
It makes sense for the road car but not for the rally car. If it made sense for the rally car the delta S4, puegot 205 and the ford would have the engine in the front.
Apparently your argument is that every purpose-built group B car only had the engine in the back because the worlds greatest rally engineers were all idiots and you know better.

>>28559554
>other than hairpin spam, there isn't really much difference
Sure if you ignore the fact that willow springs is flat and a mountain pass has elevation changes.

>>28559605
Of course it does, unless you go crazy with cones and hay bales, you can't have a good stage on a straight, flat road.
>>28559607
>Apparently your argument is that every purpose-built group B car only had the engine in the back because the worlds greatest rally engineers were all idiots and you know better.
The engineers of later eras had better AWD systems to work with, which made front engine more preferable. Toyota could've used the MR2 in the Group A era, and they made prototypes for the abandoned Group S, however that thing proved to be a shitbox that always wanted to swap ends because of its rearward balance. Front engine is better when your AWD system isn't an understeer factory.

>>28559617
>Of course it does
>t.has no idea what rallying is
As I feared.

>>28559617
Holy shit anon you've really been mindbroken by the cuckening of rally. In the 80's rally cars were rapidly evolving into mid-engine supercars with awd, then after group B got cancelled for being too based they magically went in the opposite direction and turned into fwd road car cuckboxes on steroids. That's AWFULLY CONVENIENT for the manufacturers who want to build and sell fwd cuckboxes don't you think. Imagine that. The engineering meta that you think is so superior just happens to align with the mass produced fwd shitbox meta. hmm. funny that.

>he needs AWD for rallying
ngmi

>>28559651
I hate awd as much as the next guy but it's a lot easier to win a rally with awd.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lo4dGTrzr8

>>28559657
yeah I know
t. sim rally enjoyer
still, the M1 attended 1 race and won. kinda kino

>>28559666
can you go back in time and make the m1 a v8? Thanks

>>28559657
Why do you hate AWD? You lose burnouts etc but you gain so much more traction you can weave and turn so much harder

>>28559670
Rwd is an art. awd is science. Fundamentally changes the game

AWD is your friend!
Check this $400 Audi A6 shitbox

>>28559792
awd is a crutch for rally drivers who aren't good enough to cut it with a rwd. Isn't it weird how rally drivers had been men for 100 years but the first successful woman rally driver drove the first successful awd rally car? Nah I'm sure it's just a coincidence.

>>28559815
>I'm going slower because I'm actually better at driving
holy copearoni

>>28559827
so just to be clear you're saying that it's just a coincidence that the first successful female rally driver just happened to drive the first successful awd rally car.
Women could have won rallies without the awd cars but they waited 100 years for no reason?

>>28559578
Basically this. They even showed one off, but won't sell it.They'd rather sell you a z4 with a bodykit.

This is the problem with toyota. They make something cool and then stop and decades pass.
Nobody wants to play a decade long waiting game to see if they add a turbo to it.
Even if they released it under Lexus, with a nicer interior that wasn't made of crinkle-wrap, I would have bought it.

I waited so long I saved up and bought a Cayman 718 instead.

>>28559615
>willow springs is flat
another retard who doesn't know what streets of willow is or that "streets of willow" and "willow springs" are two different tracks.

>>28559844
Either way it's flat. All circuits are flat compared to a touge. Are you fucking retarded?

>>28558998
You just KNOW who the bottom is in this relationship

>>28559853
>Either way it's flat
no it isn't, you fucking retard.

>>28559863
Oh my god! A whole 160 feet? Across the whole circuit? You're actually legitimately retarded.

>>28559872
you're fucking retarded and wrong about everything you open your mouth about.

>>28559877
You are what dunning and krueger were talking about. 160 feet is fucking nothing. You should have realized that when the first word in "mountain pass" is "mountain". Do you wear an oxygen mask when you go to bed? because you're so fucking stupid I worry your brain might forget to breathe and you'd die in your sleep.

>>28559882
>You are what dunning and krueger were talking about.
yea, that's why you assumed streets of willow was the fucking YAS MARINA circuit and not me, then moved the goalpost after being proven wrong, dipshit.

kys retard nigger.

>>28559889
I have no idea what you're talking about. I just know that only fucking retards compare any circuit to a touge because no circuit on earth has the elevation changes of a touge. stay mad faggot.

>>28559854
At least reddit actually buys and drives cars, /o/ rides the bus and parrots whatever journoslop writes
>NOOOO BUT THIS $10K USED CORVETTE IS FASTER FOR LESS MONEY

>>28558325 (OP)
You're milk carton with a turbo upsets me greatly. Nothing an LS swap wouldn't fix.

>>28559117
>pic
what in the fast & furious

>Camarofag thinking streets of willow is remotely comparable to a mountain pass
kek

>>28560017
you're giving americans way too much credit if you're surprised or amused by this.

>>28559515

you have to actually drive your car instead of shitpost about it quoting magazine times and fastestlaps.com

>>28559529
>>28559844

https://www.motorsportreg.com/calendar/?country=US&q=streets+of+willow&radius=300&lat=34.05&lng=-118.24&loc=Los+Angeles

>>28560017

camarofag doesn't actually drive

>>28559898
>no circuit on earth has the elevation changes of a touge.
except spa, summit point, and valley motorsports park, all have 300-400 feet in elevation changes comparable to "gunsai touge" itself. and that's when you include the parts of gunsai that time attackers don't even run. the stretch they actually do has even less elevation.

>>28559792
that was fuckin sick lol

>>28558325 (OP)
Not really Asians are terrible at driving. This car has so much tech to keep asian drivers in 1 lane its not really even worth it to drive gookmobiles.

>>28559815
Poor niggers drive rear while drive for me its quattro

>>28559494
Fully agree. On a similar thread I noted that my new rav4 (same platform as Camry) can do a downhill mountain run incredibly fast (considering its a family SUV). Very impressed by how the suspension and steering was working (helped by being downhill and therefore under load)

On the road, actually going fast doesn't matter, because it's not timed. It's just about "feeling" fast - which I understand the gr corolla is good for, and golf r isn't

The other main element is risk threshold - you can take a mid car pretty fast if you are on the ragged edge of control, compared to taking an evo only as fast as where you can come to a controlled stop in the distance of your line of sight to the road. I'm also a motorcyclist, and other than police, that's my main speed limiter!

That said, I really hope Toyota/Subaru does a factory turbo or supercharged option with lsd. Just something enough to pop the clutch and spin the wheels, doesn't need crazy top end power. Oh, and for the noise as well

>>28559557
Gotta agree - same as when car YouTubers buy exotic shit. I don't care. Or when renovation shows do unlimited budget high end houses.

>>28559566
It's kinda true, we have to be grateful for what we have now.
To be fair, this is a typical human psychological phenomenon so only look back and see it was our happiest time of life
That said, fuck me cars seem so expensive now, must be less and less people able to afford $60k+ ones, let alone 80+

>>28561219
>How is it so many fucking people confuse 2 incredibly similar cars?
Probably because they're the same car and the differences are so minimal nobody bothered to memorize them to tell the difference? Great Toyota marketing.

>>28561219
What's the difference? Yaris is slightly smaller. Isn't the drive train otherwise completely the same?

>>28561219
>>28562561
GR Yaris is ~1280kg / ~2800lbs and has a shorter wheel base for better rotation.

GR Corolla is intended to be more suitable for daily driving, however the longer wheel base requires more effort to rotate so initial reviews noted a pinch more understeer. Its never ending grip shines in the winters.

>>28562584
Love the wheels with that

>>28562561
The GR Yaris has nearly nothing to do with the vanilla Yaris, the parts commonality is extremely low. It's designed as a rally homologation special and handles accordingly.
The GR Corolla is a normal Corolla with the drivetrain swapped out, so it handles like a normal car.

>>28559081
What shithole uses "R" for inline engines?

>>28562584
>GR Yaris is ~1280kg
Why the fuck is it so heavy?

>>28565334
City hatchback body aside, a modern 2020 car matching approximately to the old Delta Integrale and WRX STI at 1270kg is not bad

A GR Corolla weighing 3250 lbs (imperial :^), with its AWD system, being only ~60 lbs heavier than a FWD FL5 Type R is also not bad

Hyundai N rapes all GR products

howling @ amerifat seethe ITT

>>28565492
Hey! Go easy on us. It's tough having to settle for a $60k mid engined supercar instead of a $60k 250hp hatchback.

>>28558325 (OP)
>tiny ugly looking thing that weighs a ton (pic very related) and costs as much as a random full-option German family sedan

Piss off lmao, I'd rather drive a turboed Suzuki Liana than this crap.

>>28565478
>korean

>>28559569
>any line break is r*ddit spacing
are we so overrun with retarded newfags that people don't know what that means anymore

>>28565501
the only thing you're settling are the springs in your trucghhhh lol

hey OP, post youre car
>protip: u wont

I got mine for 6 million yen fully loaded every option ticked gen 2. It's my daily. It's made for tight Japanese roads that are always half wet at best. Throw on a new set of winter only rims and tyres for snow fun and I can tour the entire country. Nothing fucking touches this here. Who cares what the new civic can do around the ring or suzuka. German cars are for German roads. If I lived in Germany I'd take an m4 over this especially since these are 3 times in the price in Europe.

None of you faggots actually care about DRIVING and driving a car that makes sense for where you live. Also none of you fags can buy a car new anyway. I don't want to spend the same money for a 20 year old evo ix. I don't care if an evo can do 400hp easily compared to the yaris. My only complaint about the car is the track mode being 30-70 constantly variable can mean the occasional oddity where you don't exactly know where it will send power but there's other times where it being variable will make you faster.

>>28558325 (OP)
They aren't reliable which completely cancels put the point of buying a Toyota since Toyotas are always uncomfortable and expensive compared to others in a given segment.

>>28559494
I'd have bought a new A110 when they were released, if it had come with a manual. It ticks all the boxes, even though it's fucking french, and I don't drive french.

>>28559597
>I'm Swiss, many of my local roads would make for great tarmac stages.
Ohai. Did Furka (and Grimsel, Susten) two weeks ago in my Skyline. Meet me at the Herbst Japaner Young- und Oldtimer Treffen in Lotzwil on September 7. I'll be there in my AE86.

>>28565475
Nice color on that SXV10

>>28566092
'Not reliable' as in aussies reliably pushing 740hp on stock internals?

>>28567006
this. you have to understand that this car attracts the hardcore tuner crowd and they’ve been pushing its little 3pot to the absolute max

>>28565478
But it’s a Hyundai. It could be twice as fast as a GR Corolla and people would still think you’re lame.

>>28566092
How are they unreliable? Like 4 have caught on fire and all but one was heavily modded. Aside from minor issues here and there, no major problems have been reported. You are a legit retard if you think these things are bursting into flames constantly.

>>28567006
>reliably
post a 100k mile example.

>>28567014
They’ve only been out for 3 years and typically aren’t used as daily’s. I’ve heard of several with over 70k and they were all still running strong.

>>28567026
AHEM.
Christian von Koenigsegg daily drives a GR Yaris

>>28567026
>they've only been out for 3 years and there are more examples that have blown up than there are that have made it to 100k miles
>they aren't used as dailies, yet i'm supposed to believe you can boost an already over stressed 3 cylinder to 700 HP """reliably"""
nice marketing. i hope you aren't doing it for free.

>muh reliability
imagine if reliability was all that mattered.
we wouldn’t have a single kino car.

>>28567042
Except there are kino cars that are super reliable and long lasting. There's nothing kino about paying $60k for a modern Matrix with a turbo with shit reliability.

>muh 3 cylinder
Doesn't matter. It's less stressed than a 1.6l 4cyl and has more torque. Same reason that superbikes are all moving to twins. Wrenchlets don't understand anything.

>>28558325 (OP)
we never got the yaris here and the corolla is being sold for 80k
literally cant do it

>>28567014
>>28567033
If it couldn't handle it, it would have blown up a long long time ago.

>Interestingly, Powertune Australia has decided to retain the stock rods, crank, and pistons. "We have pulled numerous engines down, and after doing a lot of comparisons and measurements, we believed we could make our target power with the stock items,"

>we're guessing some of the internal components will have to deal with far more stress than they're used to. However, Powertune says the vehicle has done more than 30 dyno runs and plenty of testing, and claims "no failure signs [are] to be seen as yet."

>>28567042
i thought weebs care about reliability. the whole point was that japs gave you fast cars that were reliable, too. why did they lower their standards?

>>28567054
2025 GR Corolla core has a MSRP of $39k USD and dealer discounts are common now, this isn't 2023 when dealers were stuck in post-covid conditions.

>>28567057
>wow, they put it on a dyno, guys! its so reliable!
i notice they didn't mention a stock block, so they replaced that? kek!

>>28567061
>2025 GR Corolla core
Considering only the top trim level premium plus has pic related, you'd be a doofus to get the core and drive it hard or on a track.

>>28567067
What, you actually believe they custom made a full billet block or something?
Retarded wrenchlet. Post your toolbox.

>>28567057
You're delusional if you think 700+hp from a 1.6 in a 2800lb (3100 with you in it) car will be reliable in the slightest bit. There's a reason why the 1.6 engine in an actual WRC car costs more than this entire car. And they're running half that power...

>>28567075
>There's a reason why the 1.6 engine in an actual WRC car costs more than this entire car
What engine is that and how much does it cost?

>>28558325 (OP)
Im sorry but Im getting the type R.... don't worry I'll make sure to bring the kids every weekends

>>28559792
gawd i wish i could have that kinda fun again

>>28567082
A WRC spec engine will run you over $50k easy. It's going to be a billet block with the strongest internals money can buy. Again nothing in common with the roadgoing car.

>>28567082
>>28567075
Just because the wrenchlet won't reply...
GR Yaris Rally2 uses the exact same fucking engine as the road going car except for the ECU, intercooler, boost pressure and probably fuel system too. They are also power limited to 300hp WRC regulations. So no, it isn't wildly different to the road going engine and it doesn't cost more than the entire car.
I'd have to assume you aren't talking about the Rally1 engine either...

>>28567100
You're an actual retard and don't know anything about WRC.

>>28567110
NTA but you two made me find out.

>>28567072
The bulge hood I agree is essential to the car's silhouette

The sub radiator doesn't do what you think it does in case you think it is the answer to the supposed limp mode. Use the money saved and get the actual remedy from 555 Engineering (or HKS I think)

This is specified to be for pre-refresh models:
https://www.555engineer.com/products/555-engineering-gr-corolla-transfer-case-awd-cooler

>>28567135
No I was referencing the car fires from the guy doing a few freeway pulls.

>>28567061
i don't live in the US. they cost 80k here

>>28567089
>fwd

>>28567145
It didn't catch fire because someone did a pull. It caught fire because American dealer interns hate their jobs and didn't put any effort into servicing and the car ended up spraying fluid all over the engine bay.

>>28567178
>It caught fire because American dealer interns hate their jobs and didn't put any effort into servicing and the car ended up spraying fluid all over the engine bay.
Didn't one catch fire with like 4000 miles? What fluids do you think a dealership could have sprayed all over an engine bay?

>>28567182
It's difficult to go back and put on the detective hat again but last I read or recall it was dealer incompetency not tightening a cap or some shit, thus fluid eventually spilling and igniting the engine bay. There are tens of thousands of these cars sold and on the road, and people actually think 2 or 3 fires is more indicative than all the other cars NOT set on fire. Here's how it works, the very few owners who had their car "catch fire" want to make a stink on reddit to threaten Toyota PR into giving in. Then the journos report on these reddit threads because they know this car is a click engagement goldmine (for better or worse). Then everyone else on the internet will remember this car for these headlines and nothing else. This car may have weak points, as with any car, but catching fire is not one of them.

>>28558325 (OP)
>268hp from a gay ass 3cyl
These were 305hp 30 years ago Anon and don't sound gayer than aids.
>>28567057
>conveniently excludes
>It's 740hp on ethanol and race gas mixture. 400hp on pump gas.
>More recent information from late 2024 and early 2025 indicates that Powertune Australia built a heavily tuned GR Yaris that achieved 769 hp before experiencing an engine failure

>>28567198
>Powertune Australia built a heavily tuned GR Yaris that achieved 769 hp before experiencing an engine failure
I applaud them on topping out at 769hp with said stock internals. Didn't see reports of them blowing up at 740hp. Am I supposed to believe that 700+ on pump gas is otherwise normal on other cars with 4 or less cylinders?

>>28567206
700 on pump gas is a rarity period
>muh hellcat and supercars
Hellcat sure but supercars go like 30k miles before needing a new engine kek

>>28567188
I have an AMC concord that loses a quart of oil out the valve cover every tanks worth of driving, directly onto the exhaust manifold, and it has not caught fire. I have tard handed filling the oil in my (new) mazda during oil changes and dumped a load over the head and it has not caught fire. I have got the engine of my old suzuki sx4 so hot the coolant reservoir melted from the heat coming off the exhaust manifold and it did not catch fire. This is a cope and the car is not well designed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1z1ANHiJ9k
>NOOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST TUNE THE 3 CYLINDER G16E TO 700HP+ AND DRAG RACE THEM THAT WILL GO AGAINST OUR NARRATIVE

>>28567132
Why don't WRC companies just make limited run billet cars

>>28567665
Your old econocars aren't turbo so don't have oil lines running directly alongside the turbo and exhaust manifold.

>>28567198
None of those cars get 30 mpg, pass emissions in Europe and Japan, and they all probably put less horsepower down at the wheel. I know for a fact your average LT1 makes like 230-240whp.

>>28568920
none of them burst into flames brand new, either. they're actually reliable and can regularly clock 6 figure mileage.

>>28568937
The burnt cars are not "brand new", carfax reports a prior accident. Parroting instagram replies is not going to accomplish anything. Googling [car] fire works with anything.

Friendly reminder the GR 'rolla can’t compete with the powerful GR Yaris

>>28568965
see
>>28558893

>>28568965
also, try googling NSX fires. all you get is a single test mule at the nurburgring. zero production NSX have caught on fire despite not only being twin turbo, mid engine, but lugging around lithium ion batteries, too.

>>28568980
>>28558893
It's hilarious that you cite a reddit thread but didn't consider that it is absolutely in the owner's best interest to tell only share what they want you to see, so they can make a stink about Toyota publicly to get a hold of them. Like I said, in the other case, the owner did not disclose that the car fax reported a prior accident. Redditors are sneaky little shits. Everyone keeps referring back to the 3 instances of car fires but ignores the fact that the rest of the tens of thousand examples are not on fire. It's a shitpost plain and simple.

>>28569007
and what's the cope for pic related? what about the fact that its in toyota's best interest to hire shills to give their product a "reliability rating" despite none of them even having any significant mileage to deduce any reliability metrics from?

what about cars that have (zero) fires like the NSX?

>>28568937

>Survivorship Bias

Plenty of LT1s were junked for distributor issues, blown head gaskets, and bad oil pumps. And that's if the 4L60 didn't shit itself under 60,000 miles. The SN95s also like to leak fuel at the hard lines coming into the engine bay.

Again, those cars would not be sold today because they get 16mpg on a good day and definitely won't pass emissions outside of America (probably not even 2020s Californis standards).

>>28569023
This was the recent track day fire. The owner had already admitted to user error. Ignorant to taking cooldown laps and switching to heavier oil for track use. And this is not some sort of cope for the car, this is common track prep in the same vein as swapping out for track suited pads, etc. The owner was speculated to be a beginner, delayed reactions on brake, didn't pay any attention to gauges. The car shipped with 0W-20 only for emissions and mpg marketing purposes, despite what the manual and cap says - this is Toyota being Toyota. So in summary, his modified car is up on power yet cooking his thin ass oil in heat with no cooldown laps, incompetency in preparation and on the track. Once it blew, he slid (presumably on oil) into barriers. Billed for the track damages due to no track insurance lmao

>>28567622
That Yaris made 700hp on a race fuel and ethanol mix and a 200 shot of nitrous then blew up. E85 is pump gas and there are plenty of tuned cars that make 700hp on it. KB and whipple Terminators were making 700whp 20 years ago.
>>28568920
>None of those cars get 30 mpg
They can get near enough with their extremely tall overdrives.
>pass emissions in Europe and Japan
Idk about the LT1 but the Modular was ULEV rated. But in the U.S. you're allowed to drive your old car into a city so this is seemingly irrelevant.
>and they all probably put less horsepower down at the wheel. I know for a fact your average LT1 makes like 230-240whp.
Your average Z28/Trans Am was also rated at 275-285hp, those are the 305hp SS/WS6. and stock SN95 Cobras dyno from 260-270whp on average.

>>28568812
>Why don't WRC companies just make limited run billet cars
To make a Billet block is like $20,000. WRC companies aren't in the market of making cool shit for the hell of it.

>>28558325 (OP)
do these have a better seating position than the GR Corolla? It's one of my only gripes other than the throttle being weird

>>28569573
the facelift does. but personally I’d install a seat lowering kit regardless because I’m build like an nba player

>>28569573
There is an aftermarket solution to lower it than stock. If you liked the car, this wouldn't stop you from getting it.

>>28568800
These niggers put porche money into the goyota gayaris, couldn't be me.

>>28570453
Wait until you hear the Koenigsegg CEO dailys a GR Yaris

>>28570698
wait until you hear Warren Buffet dailys a front wheel drive Cadillac.

>>28570698
What does that mean?

>>28570702
it means if a Celebrity endorses a product, you should start liking that product and not think for yourself.

>>28570698
That bald homos cars might as well not exist since they all go into a Saudi showrooms. As useful as a paperweight.

>>28570711
What about /o/ endorsing a Camaro?

>>28558325 (OP)
I'm seriously considering buying one of these, I thought they were too expensive but I found a bunch with under 15k miles for ~$29-34k in my general area which I can deal with. I think these will be a future import classic, and a car i could autistically hyperfocus on perfecting for years without hitting the ceiling

>>28558325 (OP)
>the POS half a turbo V6 explodes
SHEEEEEEEEIT

>>28570308
I was asking about the bong version's factory setup because the GRC I bought a year and a half ago only has two things I could find to complain about

>>28571452
>only has two things I could find
Maybe you're just stupid? Maybe it's exactly why you would buy a toyota

>>28571452
The refreshed GR Yaris sits 25mm lower but reviews have said not quite as low as they'd like ie better than nothing

Well, at least op is right, this car generates a lot of seethe every single time it gets posted. Idk why or whether it is deserved, but I dont care. The other cars that also generate a lot of seethe are
>Miatas outside of the miata general
>Gr86/Brz
The Porsche, bmw and american muscle threads also generate a lot of seethe but thats more of a car model/brand loyalty war.

Goyota gayaris comes without an oil cooler and engine explodes when you do over 85mph.
Japanese excellence.

>>28572013
if i made a thread about superior american engineering then posted a dodge neon, you probably see a lot of """seethe""" in the form of people laughing at Chrysler. just like they're doing at this thing.

You could also make a thread about the new NSX and it'll instantly garner actual seethe, as in, no criticism and just mostly weebs being mad that Japan made a quality product since weebs don't like when Japan makes good cars for whatever reason.

>>28572246
It's very interesting that American hot hatch Focus RS was assembled using a head gasket of a completely different car by error, embarrassing but also what the actual fuck, yet it's swept under the rug by /o/. It also costs an arm and a leg in the final years yet nobody ever brings up but muh Camaro or 10k used Corvette. The bias is real.

>>28573599
the Focus RS wasn't american and everyone shat on it too for overheating. you just don't hear about it now because its discontinued so people stopped shilling it.

>>28573599
>engine assembled in Spain
I think we found the problem.

>>28571477
guess that's all they're ever gonna do about it since there are aftermarket solutions and not everyone has the same gripe. It almost feels like sitting on a cushion that's leaning forward to dump me into the floorboard, but my wife has said she really likes the seats somehow. they built a car for tiny gremlins who leave tissues everywhere

>>28558325 (OP)
it does anger me, and I have no means of cope

>>28558850
>over stressed
1981 called grandpa