Thread 28563525

I don't get it, is the handling THAT good to make it worth tens of thousands of dollars?

>>28563525 (OP)
Tens of thousands of dollars isn't even that much money anymore, but yes.

the power of dorito.
but its expensive because jay dee emm 90s

Why not the RX-8?
I'm serious btw.

>>28563561
Because it's all of the downsides and none of the upsides. Most of all, it lacks SOVL

>>28563525 (OP)
it's worth that much because of what the car is, not because of how the car performs. Yes it's still a very good sports car, but no one's buying an FD for that reason alone. You can get much more bang for your buck elsewhere.

I wouldn't pay more than 15-20k for one, and since that ship sailed about a decade ago, I'll just never own one.

>>28563561
because the renesis is a boat motor compared to the 13b, the car is uglier, slower, and worse handling than its predecessor
the only reason to get an rx8 is if you really want a rotary engine but you're afraid of getting a car from the 80s/early 90s and too poor for an rx7.

>>28563568
boat anchor*

>Old
>Novel
>Relatively low production
>Most examples are thoroughly flogged
If you wanted a sports car that wasn't a conversation piece, you'd get a C6.

>>28563577
c5*

>>28563600
A decent FD is C6 money.

>>28563611
the c5 is the car that's actually comparable to the fd.
A decent fd is c6 z06 money.

>>28563525 (OP)
It's one of the best handling and setup production cars ever made.
The FD is so fucking good.
The SCCA had to make a new class for FDs because they absolutely raped C4 Corvettes at the time.
Bench racers can kill themselves BTW.

>>28563525 (OP)
are these supposed to be worth a lot of money? there are fox body mustangs that sell for more than these do in the most mint condition.

roturds have a kind of anti tax on them. they don't accumulate the value that the paul walker poopra does.

>>28563616
what's the point of retarded fucking posts like this? like genuinely

>>28563525 (OP)
It's worth tens of thousands on looks alone

Anon, are you a child? They're not expensive because they're performance values, they're expensive because people like them for other reasons (looks, rare, nostalgia).

Like other anons said, if you want to go fast for cheap get a vette. Everything else is a choice.

>>28563616
son, fd rollers sell for more than the average good condition foxbody.

>>28563624
learn to screen cap a chart that actually has information, retard.

>>28563633
>average fox body 25k
>average FD 28k
a whole whopping 3k difference. never mind the fact that the most desirable fox bodies are more desirable than the most mint FDs.

>>28563635
>>28563636
god damn, good reminder why I stopped posting here. how do you manage to tie your own shoes?

>>28563636
this graph
>>28563635
is all rx7s. This includes fds which you can pick up for the price of a foxbody.
if you remove the extreme outliers, average price of a foxbody today is like 10k for a great example.
average fd today is about 35k.

>>28563643
includes fcs* (and fbs) which you can pick up for the price of a foxbody

now go ahead and kill yourself, or delete your post, it's not too late

that chart is also specifically BaT results for that average valuation, the average foxbody is a beat to shit trailer trash abomination so it won't make it onto the website.
You can still pick them up all day for sub 5k for a shit one, at most 10k if you want a good runner.
FDs, if you can even find one (there was 1 for sale in a 500 mile radius), will run you an absolute minimum of 25-30k in any condition even if you import it yourself.
Like I said, you can't even buy a roller for what you could get a running good condition foxbody for.

>>28563568
RX8 absolutely mogs FD in handling

>>28563682
lol
rx7 is a sports car, rx8 is a sporty coupe
there's a reason the rx8 is basically forgotten while the rx7, even older gens, still get used in motorsports

>>28563686
Doesn't change the fact the RX8 has superior suspension design and chassis rigidity
It's a better handling car
It's not a better car but its better handling

>>28563686
Also there is such thing as the RX8 cup, it's one of the most affordable one make series. That alone makes it more used in motorsports than every other generation of RX.

>>28563692
>it's one of the most affordable one make series.
honestly an rx8 is a perfect entry level race car and they're mad slept on.
I'd probably still get an fc over one, but rx8s are way cooler than people give them credit for.

>>28563694
Well they had a really high bar set by the FD, makes sense people brush them off as being junk.
But even the most hardcore RX7 purists are turning around and building RX8s these days. So much cheaper than an FD without all the 30 year old car issues.

>>28563525 (OP)
Overrated. Shit engine with shit sound.

>>28563698
I guarantee in 10 years there shoot up to 5x their current price at an absolute minimum
it's insane how much people hate them

Is it THAT good to warrant a 7 digit price tag? It literally tries to fly away at speed.

>>28563525 (OP)
it's one of the last actually tiny cars around. it's really small. rx-8 is smaller than you expect, but rx-7 is a "how the fuck do people fit in these?" size, barely bigger than an old british roadster- or indeed, the miat. past y2k everything started to bloat.

>>28563568
>the only reason to get an rx8 is if you really want a rotary engine
No, the reason to get the RX-8 is to get an inexpensive high-tier chassis. It's not the best, but for the price you can get an exploded one for, there's no competition. The most clapped out BRZ starts out at five digits, and so do 90s heroes like 180sx.

>>28563568
>worse handling than its predecessor
Given that the RX-8 was designed and built as a sister to the third gen Miata, including the switch to a multilink rear and a proper FMR layout with 50/50 weight distribution, the idea that it handles worse than any prior wet-noodle RX-7 is absurd.

>>28563736
it's amazing how many similarities you see between the NB and FD when you look at them side by side

>>28563740
*the NB and the Viper

>>28563741
fair and truth pilled

>>28563525 (OP)
No, the rx8 out handles it but fd fags won't acknowledge that mazda has made advances in suspension tech since 1992.

>>28563525 (OP)
It's a very unique driving experience compared to almost anything else. Any car enthusiast should drive one at least once

>>28563694
>honestly an rx8 is a perfect entry level race car and they're mad slept on.
At the time Mazda was forced to cut costs by Ford management, they said we can't justify two separate RWD sports platforms (RX and MX5), so Mazda just made the NC a smaller RX8. Many components are swappable actually. This means the NC is basically an RX8 convertible with an inline 4 engine. It's legit and slept on too, but a much better car than the RX8 if we're being honest.

>>28563765
why get the fatest worst miata?

>>28563778
>50lbs heavier
>45 hp increase
>far superior chassis
>much better interior
Respect to NA/NB bros, they're cool cars too, but the NC is a lot better. They're usually the same price too.
https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/a23490210/nc-miata-buyers-guide/

>>28563881
Sorry 25 hp. 167 vs 142. The redline is 7800rpm too, a big improvement over the 7000 rpm on the NB.

>>28563882
s-still the fattest baka
(I thought they were heavier)

>>28563905
I've never driven an NA/NB, they look really cool, but everyone says the chassis is from a different century compared to NC/ND. Being smaller, lower, lighter, and older (less insulation) makes the NA/NB probably more raw of an experience, but the NC is a far more capable car, from chassis to drivetrain to side impact airbags and cupholders, there are lots of reasons to get NC. NC is also a lot roomier on the inside than the ND, it's kind of crazy. ND doesn't even have a glovebox or a single real cupholder. NC has 4.

>>28563926
I dailed an nb for 10 years and it was my first car
the chassis is a fucking wet noodle until you brace it. Adding a proper roll bar helps tremendously, as does the factory hard top (which are like 3k+ now lmfao)
I'll probably never own a miata again, but if I did I would actually look into the nc I guess

>>28563525 (OP)
I've never driven an FD, but I have an RX8 and it is one of the best handling cars out there period. I get BMW's on the track all the time with more power and I keep up with them competitively outside of two straights on the track. And Sti's only ever lose me on the straights, then see my tail lights each corner. I love the RX-8 and would like to compare it directly to an FD some day.

>>28563577
>>28563611
C6 doesn’t have poppies.

>>28563934
The RX-8 is such an anomaly, it is oddly heavy for such a small car and the renesis is underpowered rubbish but it is such an absolute pleasure to drive. Turns out you can fuck up just about everything but if you nail the chassis engineering you're gonna have a competent sports car. I've never owned an NC, I've only driven one once, so I can't really compare it to the RX-8 fairly, but I remember thinking at the time that I preferred my RX-8. Maybe cope, but despite the RX-8 looking worse, having a cheesier interior, having a dumb engine, etc, it is a really great car. Hell, even acknowledging that the renesis is rubbish, needs to be babied and that any porting or boosting in an attempt to get more power is going to be pointless or a disaster, it is fun revving that thing out.

>>28563525 (OP)
the fd is a modern classic. there is no way to rationalise the value they now hold despite them being objectively incredible sports cars.

>>28563525 (OP)
yes absolutely, one that has an LS swap of course

>>28563682
lmao, show me an rx-8 beating an FD lap record. Even when swapped to a 13b-rew engine with turbos and all it still loses.
The chassis rigidity is a marketing meme you fell for. It doesn't matter.
>"oh, my car is less rigid? time to throw on $200 in braces and now it's fine"
The RX-8 was an amazing car for what it was (sedan with coupe handling), with a flawed engine that's going to die every 100,000 miles on you, but it's still slower than an FD.
>t. I've owned multiple RX-8s and FDs and driven them hard and raced on the same roads.

>>28564027
Opinion discarded because you were driving on rollypolly monster truck suspension.

>>28564027
>>28563953
FD is way sexier, slightly faster, and has higher tuning potential without getting too crazy with engine swaps and stuff.
Cons: You're going to spend a lot more money for not much more performance (stock v stock).
Then again, if you buy an RX-8 you're going to spend just as much in rebuilds, which is harder to justify on a $2,000 car. There are a lot of good alternatives to the RX-8 (ugly sports sedan) such as BMWs, Giulias, etc. There aren't any good alternatives to the FD that cost less (GT3 maybe, A110 maybe, Lotus maybe etc.) so although the costs are higher now, they're still grounded in reality.

>>28564032
You the guy that takes his car for highway cruises and that one vacation to Las Vegas, right?

>>28563934
Stock for stock they're quite close. The RX-8 is heavier, and you feel that. The suspension differences I'm not going to argue, but I think the RX-7 outhandles the RX-8 a bit due to the weight difference, among others. The RX-8 is probably the easiest car to drive you could ever get though, which helps 99% of people achieve better laptimes.
RX-7 feels a bit more agile. I wish it had the same HP but was NA, because revving out an NA rotary like in an rx-8 is amazing (and it's a lot less bullshit to deal with).
If you get an rx-8, get the lighest version possible (base spec, no leather, no sunroof, etc.) I've had one of those and an R3 spec and although the R3 felt a bit more planted, it was also a bit heavier, and the car is underpowered as-is so the last thing you want more of is weight.

>>28564032
ok, fair. That one was on stock suspension. This one >>28564051 is on ohlins.

>>28564052
>that wheelgap
Opinion discarded

>>28564053
May we see what color your iris is?

>>28564027
>Even when swapped to a 13b-rew engine with turbos and all it still loses.
The stock turbo's don't fit in the engine bay you retard so you're lying out of your ass.

>>28564087
>akshually, it’s even worse than you said, you lose!
Not to mention you also need to replace the transmission. So realistically, to compare to an FD you need to swap the engine and transmission to something else, then also figure out a way to lose 200-400lbs (depending on rx-8 spec).

>>28564151
What other cars do you have experience with? The fd has been my realistic dream car for 20 years, but I don't have the ability to buy one curre try so went with my 2nd even more realistic option and got a gc sti
I love it, but the desire for an fd has never faded

>>28563561
RX-8 was designed to defeat insurance companies (no it's not a two door coupe, it is a 4 door sedan!) and had a grenading engine that is infinity worse than the RX-7.

>>28564251
A lot of what japan does (or did, since they don't really care anymore) seems to be a out attempting to skirt automotive regulations

>>28564151
>Not to mention you also need to replace the transmission
No you don't, the rx8 6 speed bolts right up to the rew, And if you don't want the 6 speed, rx8's also came with a 5 speed manual which is just an fd 5 speed with different ratios.

Is there a noticeable performance difference between the first and second revision RX8? Apparently the facelift has slightly revised suspension and bracing, and a different rear diff ratio.

semi-related, is mazda above or below volkswagen in luxury?

>go over to a mates place
>joke about buying one of his german neighbors junked BMW's
>go over and end up having a good chat with him and learning about some of the cars he had over the years
>mentions he's got an old mazda
>think it's probably something small and fun like an mx-6
>ask if it kinda looks like a porche
>he says yeah and rembers that it's a bloody rx7 FC
>almost shit a brick
I was orignally gonna try and buy some old ford capri's off him because my mum used to have one and loved hers but now it feels like i've found a gold mine that i've gotta try and get in quick.

>>28564272
Depends on where you are and what you consider luxery, but they're solid cars with some nice comforts and you get the bonus on not having to deal with german engineering.

>>28564068
It's brown

>>28564271
s2's are faster straight line due to having lower gearing. 4.77 vs 4.44.

>>28564254
The rx-8's 6 speed can barely handle stock rx-8 torque, it's not going to hold up to a 13b turbo. So yes, you do need to swap it. That's extra cost vs just buying an FD to begin with. ($1,600+ on ebay)

>>28564355
Series 2 box is a lot stronger. Then the 4 port 5 speed boxes are basically just FD boxes.
S1 6 speed isn't that weak, its just they've suffered 10 years of abuse from idiots so when there is actually power going through them they can't handle it as well as they should.

>>28564355
Also the cost is insignificant when an RX8 is a 5k car and the FD is a 30k+ car.

>>28564362
ignore him, he's just a dumb faggot that doesn't know anything about either car.

>>28564362
>$2,000 is insignificant
Here's how the numbers will look:
>$10k for a swap (engine, tranny, misc parts) plus labor (inb4 "but my time is free!"), assuming you're using used parts
This brings you to $15k for a car that's still only worth $5k and will always be ugly. Absolutely retarded use of money.

>>28564403
Meanwhile its a brand new build for 15k unlike a 30k FD that's been a "project" for a dozen different people.

>>28563630
>It's worth tens of thousands on looks alone

>>28564417
Import one yourself. FDs aren't THAT expensive.

>>28564504
They are even more expensive in Japan. 3m jpy minimum for a clapped series 6. Plus all your import costs.

>>28564417
That's used parts cost and cheapest labor possible. In reality a 13b engine (new) is $15k now and labor will be $12k. A new 5 speed transmission, who knows, $3k? I paid a bit less for mine.

>>28564519
5k usd for a recently built 13bt that hasn't gone into a car yet
No reason to buy a factory rew keg

>>28564514
3m yen is 20k usd
Import costs are ~4-5k to your door.

>>28564529
Cool, a 25k series 6 full of rust and bog with low compression and blown turbos

>>28564526
>>28564417
>Meanwhile its a brand new build
>No reason to buy a factory rew keg
you people are schizos
>>28564562
>>28564529
I imported one for $13k awhile ago. Had to repair the steering rack and the OMP was bad, so budget maybe $5k for repairs, but otherwise it was flawless. Compression was borderline on one rotor but drove fine for 2 years. Definitely better than buying an overpriced LHD model that'll have the same issues.

>>28564662
Anon's a fucking moron that doesn't understand most imports will be in better shape than shitheaps in the US. You have neglected rust buckets in japan, but no where near to the extent you do in the US.

>>28564695
yup, for reference: suspension was in good shape, bushings had all been changed, interior was near mint, car was totally unmodded/unmolested except for some weird glue on the two door panels.
>picrel (wheels were purchased later).

I find it so sad that cars can only be produced in a limited time span whilst still being economically viable, i feel like certain cars that attain a huge following should be allowed to be manufactured even if small quantities for as long as demand is still there.

>>28564330
Kek I knew it.

>>28563882
9 hp over my (untuned at the moment) JDM NB2 VVT motor

>>28564830
Your stock motor makes 16 hp more than factory? I'm confused.

>>28564765
best hope is that thirdies find a way to manufacture it well into the future like the beetle
BestKoreaDM when?

>>28564873
JDM NB2s had higher compression and a better flowing intake manifold (colloquially known as the squaretop) so were rated at 158 from the factory, whereas the USDM NB2 had lower compression and the crap VTCS intake with valves to block the ports off for cold start emissions and were rated at 142 because of that

>>28564918
I'm currently waiting on my new ECU to come in, but they claim most people see a ~20 hp gain just by dialing in the VVT properly

>>28564918
Interesting, thanks, didn't know that deep NB lore. Have you ever driven an NC?

>>28564918
170 - 158 (it was actually 152) does not equal 9.

>>28564876
>surely Indians will be able to reverse engineer the rx7

>>28564918
Never knew there was a class action lawsuit.

>>28564996
werry goord sarr, engine speens like rreal rotiry

>>28564966
No, 158. 167 is the 2007+ NC rating, 2006 was rated at 170 as it used a different formula but no actual changes to the engine were made.
https://newsroom.mazda.com/ja/publicity/release/2000/200007/0718c.html
https://www.onallcylinders.com/2025/02/21/2006-15-mazda-mx-5-miata-nc-buyers-guide-year-by-year-changes/
>You’ll notice that NC2s are rated at 167 horsepower, a three horsepower reduction, but this is simply due to changing measurement standards: in reality, they’re just as powerful as the earlier NCs.

>>28565149
>>28564966
>>28564918
>>28564873
>>28564830
oh my god who fucking cares
miatas are slow
whether you're making 120 or 130hp to the wheels the cars are slow
it literally doesn't fucking matter.

>>28565161
>every miata is an NA6
it's not 1993 anymore grandpa

>>28565168
Every fucking miata is slow. This isn't news.
You also seem to have a misunderstanding of what whp is. Spoiler: your imported 9001x folded nippon steel snowflake 158hp nb2 wasn't putting down more than 130 at the wheels.

>>28565183
>Every fucking miata is slow.
>every miata is an NA6

>>28565187
God you're too fucking retarded to talk to

>>28565191
sorry I'm not like every other glue eater on this board that thinks anything below a gorillion horsepower top fuel dragster is slow

>>28565161
I don't give a fuck what you think, shut the fuck up faggot.

>>28565197
your car is slower than a fucking prius. I like miatas, I owned one for a decade and I would get another, but they're slow.

>>28565207
What does that have to do with your tantrum? You got triggered by people discussing their cars? You're a faggot.

>>28565207
>modern car is faster than an old one

>>28565208
>what does my car being slower than a prius have to do with someone calling it slow?
I understand why you think it's fast given how slow you are yourself.

>>28565207
>SIR, SIR, EXCUSE ME SIR, YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO TALK ABOUT CARS, SIR, YOU CAN'T JUST DO THAT, SIR!!

>>28565215
retarded false dichotomy

>>28565215
I never said it's a fast car. Cry more for me you fucking faggot. Tears rolling down you little faggot face.

>>28565210
nbs were slower than camrys from the same year.
did I go back in time 20 years? do people really still have a problem with slow cars being called slow?

>>28565220
>do people really still have a problem with
You're the one crashing out fucking KEK.

>>28565220
ok enjoy your fwd mom car then

>>28565221
oh I'm talking to a 16 year old that just got his first car and has to try to defend. It's okay little buddy, your car is very fast, you go do your vroom vrooms :)

>>28565226
>I DON'T CONSENT, DID YOU HEAR ME, STOP TALKING ABOUT YOUR CARS OR I'LL GET REALLY ANGRY AND YOU WON'T LIKE THAT!!!

>>28565226
ok go race minivans in your camry fag LMAO

>>28565250
>miatafags btfo
tbe most hilarious part is you'd be seeing both the camry AND minivans taillights LMAOOOO

>>28563720
The 2000s were the death knell for the Japanese auto industry.

>>28565430

That's John Huston who's an all time great director on the left and Peter Bogdanovich who's also a solid director on the right.

>>28565581
For the auto industry as a whole*

>>28564765
Thankfully China is solving this for us. They're re-manufacturing old car chassis with chink steel and then we can put whatever we want to inside.

>>28565168
>even less HP than a BRZ

>>28565669
weighs 500-700 pounds less too

>>28565572
cool CAMRY bro LMFAOOOOOOOO dis nigga really RACING regular traffic :skull: :skull:

>>28563525 (OP)
I'm too tall to fit ;_;

>>28565687
>still slower in a straight line than a brz (somehow)