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Anonymous No.28565959 >>28565970 >>28565991 >>28566933 >>28567077 >>28567279 >>28567555 >>28567586 >>28567709 >>28568258 >>28569293
Convince me not to get a 2023 camaro SS
I'm eurofag, its basically the same price as a similar year diesel 3 series (180hp), the only downside is I can only find manual ones up to 2021 and I want one as recent as possible

I cant afford a ZL1 but I figure this one will still hold value better than a moostang
Anonymous No.28565966 >>28565977
Ugly ameritrash
Anonymous No.28565970 >>28565977
>>28565959 (OP)
I can't, unless there's some shitty import tax on the car, parts, and maintenance that you're not taking into account
Anonymous No.28565976 >>28565979
can't find anything better than these under 100k. it'll be awhile before the entire low-mid range sports car segment catches up.
Anonymous No.28565977 >>28567038 >>28567714 >>28569293
>>28565966
I like it, its video gamey and fresh

Interior is butt ugly but the euro competion is worse and full of tablets lmao
>>28565970
I'm only searching for cars that are already imported, insurance will be expensive as fuck but otherwise its okay, wont put more than 5k KMs a year so maintenance shouldnt matter much besides yearly changes
Anonymous No.28565979
>>28565976
right? I wanted a mustang but they are so common I figure it will drop value quicker and I dont like the new gen
Anonymous No.28565981 >>28565985 >>28566013
black people, the car
do they not have used 330d where u live?
Anonymous No.28565985 >>28566001
>>28565981
Anonymous No.28565991
>>28565959 (OP)
>Convince me not to get a 2023 camaro SS
no can do anon, sorry, it's a nice car for the price
Anonymous No.28565994
That side window is disgusting
Anonymous No.28566001 >>28566006 >>28566007 >>28567676
>>28565985
what they wish they drove vs what they actually drive
camaro is inelegant, cramped, old fashioned, cheaply built, and handles poorly
maybe you get a fast engine - but it sounds like at your price point you don't
you buy it to show off that you have an impractical
car that is poorly aping the late 60s pinnacle of hot rod design
Anonymous No.28566006
>>28566001
>you don't understand, they merely WISH they drove this easily purchasable thing that depreciates onto every buy here pay here lot
>but they would never actually BUY it for some reason
nice cope
Anonymous No.28566007
>>28566001
not helping your case
Anonymous No.28566013
>>28565981
I'm not paying premium for a diezel shitbox with a bit of fake leather
Anonymous No.28566933
>>28565959 (OP)
dey is gud cahz mayng

new Mustang sucks. shit quality. shit performance. weak ass low-end. Camaro you can floor it any gear and launch like a rocket because SO MUCH TOR[KKK]
Anonymous No.28567038 >>28567293 >>28567721 >>28567766 >>28567914 >>28567919
>>28565977
It will probably be crashed at some point in the USA and spares/dealer computers will be next to impossible to get because the LT1 wasn't sold outside America and GM has barely any dealer/service networks in Europe after the sale of Opel. LT1 is actually a pretty peaky engine too (hard to get power out of NA, more fragile than the older engines when modded) and a lot of them have spun bearing issues which you might have a tiny chance of getting (google 6.2 5.3 GM spun bearing)
Anonymous No.28567077 >>28567333
>>28565959 (OP)
Had one as a rental. Interior feels cheap but decently comfortable. Don't get a slush box, at any cost. The engine was amazing. The chassis was great. The brakes were fantastic. The automatic transmission was trash and ruined the whole experience.
Anonymous No.28567090 >>28567216
Can't go wrong with a 10 spd auto or tremec 6 spd manaul camaro SS
>I want one as recent as possible
Um why? The cars are identical mechanically from 2016-2024 among manuals
10spd auto from 2019+
Avoid the 8spd auto from 2016-2018.
Anonymous No.28567216 >>28567333
>>28567090
The 10L80E has just as many problems as the 8L80. There is a recall on the 10L right now
Anonymous No.28567279 >>28567282
>>28565959 (OP)
>Convince me not to get a 2023 camaro SS
I have to assume you're arab, jeet, or african.
Anonymous No.28567282 >>28567558 >>28567609 >>28567668
>>28567279
>american redneck musshole car
>arab, jeet, african

OK then what do real huwyte "men" drive? don't tell me some nip shitbox Corolla 1.2L
Anonymous No.28567293
>>28567038
Bearing spin issue is one specific truck engine the L87 due to a factory problem (seems like industrial espionage at this point)
Anonymous No.28567333
>>28567077
>>28567216
10L80 is great compared to 10R80
owned both

10L80 shifted faster, smoother, never caught slackin, never any glitches or hard shifts or jerks

But I will admit the GM 8-speeds have some issues. They got class actioned for that

The Ford 10R80s though, my God has to be the worst transmission ever. Active class action going on for these pieces of shit. And they still put it in everything.
Anonymous No.28567555
>>28565959 (OP)
Camaros are pretty great. It’s built on the Cadillac platfor.m. The engine is pretty reliable can go to 300k km easily. The 8 speed auto is a reverse engineers ZF8 but it sucks, get a manual or the 10 spd.

They legitimately are excellent at track stuff but they didn’t out sell the Mustang because of the windows being small. The windows are fine but normies needed to see more sky and more road.
It’s better than most sporty cars aimed at the middle class no question. If you get the V8 it’s very close to the one in the Stingray corvette. I’d argue the SS is roughly equal to an M3 or C2S granted they’re a generation behind now.
Anonymous No.28567558 >>28567611
>>28567282
it's an incel trope. they're mentally cucked by browns because they have zero test and spend their life online.
Anonymous No.28567586
>>28565959 (OP)
Do it. Get anything from 2019 onward, it's fine.

I have a ZL1, it's great.
Anonymous No.28567609
>>28567282
We drive 911s
Anonymous No.28567611 >>28567643
>>28567558
Sounds like something a limpwristed shitskin would bleat.
Anonymous No.28567643 >>28567719
>>28567611
bro you're a genetic dead end lol
Anonymous No.28567668
>>28567282
F150s, Sierras, Alfa Romeos (except the tonale which nobody drives), vintage off roaders, and Porsche
Anonymous No.28567676
>>28566001
Poorfag lol
>inelegant
Muscular and elegant
>cramped
It's a sports car not a van
>old fashioned
No replacement for displacement
>cheaply built
It's reliable
>handles poorly
Alpha platform is renowned for its handling prowess
Anonymous No.28567709
>>28565959 (OP)
If you do that get the best quality lowest miles you can and keep it preserved for like 30 years. Some fag by then will pay out the nose for a last-of-a-generation SS. Probably be thousands of 'em willing to suck cocks for a clean oem v8 6mt.
Anonymous No.28567714
>>28565977
Insurance probably won't be too bad.

I pay 80 a month for my C5 Z06, full coverage and insured for purchase price. Hell, I'd wager insurance in the US would be more expensive than here in Europe.
Anonymous No.28567719 >>28567761
>>28567643
Then why do I have kids and you don't?
Anonymous No.28567721
>>28567038
>LT1 wasn't sold outside America
But that's wrong, both 6th gen Camaro (until 2019) and C7 Corvette were sold in Europe (and Japan too as a fun fact). Not a lot, around 1000 Camaros and around 700 Vettes per year, but they were. Most of those were sold in Germant, you can find them on mobile.de.
But it's true that you won't be getting much parts here, you'll have to import most of them from the US. Thankfully Rockauto ships in a few days.
But forget about getting EU-spec specific parts, like mirrors or taillights, there are no replacements or used ones for sale.
Anonymous No.28567761
>>28567719
LOL
Anonymous No.28567766 >>28567919
>>28567038
>LT1 is actually a pretty peaky engine too (hard to get power out of NA, more fragile than the older engines when modded
What are you talking about, intake/header/cam gets these cars over 500whp and it's not anymore fragile than an equivalent ls3 in a forced induction application
Anonymous No.28567914 >>28567919
>>28567038
>LT1 is peaky
Lmfao you're a total idiot.
Anonymous No.28567919 >>28567927 >>28567944
>>28567038
>>28567766
>>28567914
bro, imagine having peaky pushrods. does your pushrods have VTEC?
Anonymous No.28567927
>>28567919
>esl
>honda shill
>cumaro hater
what a pathetic existence
Anonymous No.28567944 >>28568001
>>28567919
The LT1 we're all talking about is not the C4's 1980s LT1 you spastic autism moron.
Anonymous No.28568001 >>28568071
>>28567944
Right, we are talking about LT-1 from the 1970s
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_LT-1
Anonymous No.28568071 >>28568075 >>28568091
>>28568001
Why is GM so bad at naming? They made an engine with the same name not two, but three times.
Anonymous No.28568072
Why this when you can get an EV crossover SUV camaro?
Anonymous No.28568075
>>28568071
i know it's crazy, they also made like 6 different cars and called them all camaros. come to think of it i think other companies have done this too..
Anonymous No.28568091 >>28568117 >>28568165
>>28568071
Yeah, they had literally every other letter in the alphabet.
But the worst part is that they aren't also consistent in their naming. Z28 in the first three Camaros was the performance package, then in fourth gen it was the base V8, below SS, and then in fifth gen it was a track version, more powerful than SS, but less than ZL1. They must have some kind of leas poisoning over in Detroit.
Anonymous No.28568117
>>28568091
Z28 was always their trans am package and so was built to just under the limits set in the scca rules.
Anonymous No.28568165
>>28568091
Z28 was the secret track trim in 67/68 before it was properly advertised for 69. At the time bigger number meant better but the DZ302 being smaller than the 350 or 396 or hell even the base 327 V8 at a time when they were primarily used for drag racing meant that most people opted for the larger engine. It wasn't until 69 that people learned the true potential and purpose of the Z28 wasn't at the drag strip but around the track. GM management killed the DZ302 because they felt it threatened the big blocks. It just happened to be that SCCA changed the rules around the same time allowing for larger engines meaning that in 1970 Z28 came with a 350 LT-1.

And then a perfect storm happened with the oil crisis, the EPA and insurance agencies killing all the fun. The Z28 badge had become as popular as the SS in the early 2nd gen but now with SS gone only Z28 was left now as a package instead of a trim. Being that it originally was a track and handling focus trim in the first gen it was a good fit for the now emissions-choked models with improved suspension but the regular engines. And then it went away for 75-76 because GM-moment only to come back because Pontiac kept the Trans-Am name.

For the 3rd gen, because SS was kill, Z28/IROC-Z were the top trim.
For the 4th gen, because SS was still kill until 96, Z28 was the top trim. There were a few years where it was a Z28 SS. There was also the semi-official 2002 ZL1.

ZL1 goes back to the 1969 models with the detuned 427 L88. Only 69 were built and most were destroyed after that racing season.

5th gen ZL1 made more power but was designed for drag racing while the Z28 made better use of its power around a track. There was a rumor of Z28 coming back for the final years of the 6th gen using the LT6 from the C8 but that was quickly killed as the time and money needed to make it fit wouldn't be worth it at the price point or sales volume.
Anonymous No.28568206
I love mine, i've had my SS 1LE for 3 years and its been a great car.
Anonymous No.28568258
>>28565959 (OP)
i think you're best off with the 4cyl turbo camaro
since opel insignia "sport" models use the same engine it'll help you finding parts locally and not having to import shit and wait over a month for each and every malfunction
Anonymous No.28569293 >>28569321
>>28565959 (OP)
>>28565977
Will it fit on your roads?
Anonymous No.28569321
>>28569293
Why wouldn't it? Size-wise it's between 4 and 6 series and people drive things like 5 series and E classes everywhere all the time no problem except maybe those 500 year old French and Italian towns where a Fiat Punto barely fits.