Thread 28571111

I fucking hate living in the EU

There are no new sportscars being on sale because they make a new regulation every month
>muh emissions
>muh pedestrian safety
>muh lane keep assisst
>muh fleet co2 average
Not to mention how they fuck you with insurance and taxes

It all feels so targeted too, like some stupid Karen bitch in Brussels is specifically hating on car guys

Oh and
>just buy a used one
Every time they announce a new regulation or the GR86 or 400Z being banned the price of every ratty old 350z, Bmw Z and mustang doubles

>>28571111 (OP)
Japan is not in Europe, and its technical inspections are even worse.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor-vehicle_inspection_(Japan)

>>28571111 (OP)
Emissions regs were never the problem you dumbass short sighted faggot wrenchlet, ricer. Cars are now more powerful than ever and your stupid ass thinks them running cleaner is a bad thing kek. The reall issue is pedestrians safety regs making cars look ugly as fuck. The other problem is nu-males like you voting for this shit year after year gay ass nu-male temu build loving faggot

>>28571111 (OP)
upright look like a benis XDDD

>>28571111 (OP)
>Not to mention how they fuck you with insurance and taxes
I pay like 200 bucks a year on road tax and about the same for insurance. I don't think it's that bad, especially reading up on yanks paying thousands for vehicle insurance per month.

>>28571124
>Emission reg isn’t bad
It is when the fleet emission requirements prohibit carmakers from making cars that arent boring commuters
Also if you cared about clean air, you wouldnt let 10 ton suvs get exemptions. It is a problem when you cant sell a Fiat 500 for being too polluting but a BMW X6 M series is perfextly fine

>>28571144
more like poorfags cant own cars and how dare dirty peasant share same road with 200k euro SUV nobility

>>28571111 (OP)
You sound like a bitch.

>>28571168
Yeah pretty much. All this environmentalism is just classism
Same with televisions. The eu royalty got mad that the peasants could buy the same big screen tvs as them for pennies so they made it illegal to own 8k tvs (meanwhile the rich can just import them)

>>28571111 (OP)
You're a complete fucking moron and you're also wrong. The reason the major OEMs don't make sports cars any more is not enough people bought them - they are a business, not a car club.

Regulations don't change that often, your can still buy MX5, plus there's A110, Aston Martins, Ferraris, Lamborghinis, Maseratis and they all pass the applicable regulations.

I can only assume you're a bad troll who drives an SUV

>>28571179
>Toyota: No GR86 in Europe because of regulations
>Nissan: No 400Z necause regulations
You: “Nooo they are lying!!!”

then leave, retard. you won't be missed

>>28571191
I didn't say they are lying. What you said is perfectly in line with what I posted - they can't make a business case to engineer those cars to meet the regulations. Yet other companies (including Mazda) can.
Unless, of course, Toyota and Nissan are incompetent engineers. You choose.

>>28571111 (OP)
>like some stupid Karen bitch in Brussels is specifically hating on car guys
Technically all of this shit is made by extremely mentally ill ecologist lobbies that bribe the EU with millions of euros.
This fucking continent is packed to the brim with ecologist lobbies, thanks to all governments giving billions of taxpayer money to feminist and alt-left ngos that do absolutely jack shit for the people besides saying men bad, white people bad, niggers good and destroying the vehicles good.

>>28571122
In europe they quite literally null your inspection if your motorcycle doesn't have an authorized reflector in any of the required reflector placements.

>>28571179
>>28571191
>>28571204
(cont)
In fact, pic is a summary of the regs. Ask yourself just how difficult they actually are. Original here
file:///D:/Users/PVS/Downloads/General%20Safety%20regulations_%20Factsheet_V5.pdf

Then read this article where it clearly talks about there not being a business case. So not enough people want them to make it worth while
https://www.motor1.com/news/707700/toyota-gr86-subaru-brz-dead-europe/

>>28571216
dammit - wrong link
https://ec.europa.eu/docsroom/documents/50774
You won't be able to get past my security to download it off my HDD

>>28571124
KYS you retard, you know nothing what are talking about. Emissions regs are major problem in 2024+ because these cars produce less power than older cars. Emissions regs are also reason why more modern engines have poorer reliability and shorter lifespan than 1991-2006 cars.
Most of full hybrid cars are not faster than older cars except on acceleration from 0-62mph. the older non-hybrid 150hp car has even higher top speed than most of those regular(non-supercar) 2023+ 330hp combined hybrid cars. There are lots of 2026 cars coming with less amount of power than previous year.

The Euro 6E and Euro 7 completely ruined cars performance. EU really should be removed from this whole planet. Thankfully democrats lost president elections in America because they copy car emissions, safety standards from EU and vice versa.

>>28571111 (OP)
>BAWWWWWW :((((((((((((
get over yourself
I live in the EU, drive a naturally aspirated V8 with emissions out the wazoo, and yes it costs a bit more, but so does everything else you'd want to enjoy.
If you're not willing to spend €100-200 more a month than the average joe driving some cuckmobile, then you're not a real one. Everything nice takes some amount of sacrifice and/or work. Yes that appears to come much cheaper in the US but that continent is fucked in many other ways to offset this.

>inspection every two Years
if you know the guy the car is gonna pass regardless
>emission tests
he has a panda, does the test on that and writes it down as your car's results
>illigally tuned car, car without FAP
he keeps the car there for 1-2 weeks, writes the date you left it there on the certificate so if the police stop you he can claim that he gave the car back to you on that date and you modified it after the inspection
>insurance
roughly 3 million cars without insurance, if there's a police checkpoint the other drivers flash you to warn you so you can turn around and avoid it. if you're in naples you can buy a car with polish plates and get way lower insurance prices

>>28571240
I thought Bulgaria was corrupt as hell.

>>28571240
More proof italians are brown

Stop being poor.
Let me take a wild guess. You STILL haven’t bought bitcoin

>>28571172
>sub 200 hp "sports" car

>>28571266
Its your choice to stay miserable.

>>28571279
>>28571172
https://youtu.be/Z3MhS_TzPbA

>>28571111 (OP)
Checked and blackpilled
>Not to mention how they fuck you with insurance
Thought it's worse in the US

>>28571179
>your can still buy MX5
What about Jimny, shill?

>>28571233
>pays literally for air
>just get over it!
Can you be even more cucked I wonder

>>28571240
It does seem like OP is going through babby’s first realization that most sports car owners in Europe are at any given moment guilty of two-four different accounts of fraud (inspection, insurance, ownership, maybe tax or consumer depending on whether he’s currently selling or buying a car).

OP, as long as sports car have existed it has been like this in Europe.

>>28571111 (OP)
No, it's because the market doesn't want them. Same as 3-door hatchbacks and SUVs (remember 20 years ago, when pretty much every hatchback/SUV had a 3-door variant? Pepperidge Farms remembers).
Zoomers are too poor, millennials are too practical-minded, xoomers are too niggerfaggoty, boomers are starting to die off. There's no real buying public, outside of richfags looking for another toy.

If this car was released today /o/tists will find billions reasons to not want it. Social media + bench racers turned peoples minds into mush.

>>28571303
So in other words, fun cars are illegal in Europe.
Because the only way to operate them includes breaking the law, and the government forces people into that.

>>28571111 (OP)
>nooooo i must consooooom the newest thiiiiiing
You're a little bitch and a faggot

>>28571323
is it really illegal if no one gets in trouble for it?

>>28571321
Hot hatches were always a cope car. They are just remnant of the rally era, which ended in the 90s
Why would anyone want an fwd shitbox? Cant drift, feels like shit to drive and looks ugly

>>28571323
Yup zero fun cars in Europe.
https://youtu.be/mDiut6dN20E?si=z5KiWZ4pJ8K_1dng

>>28571321
>t.too young to remember
People were always shitting on economy FWD turdo shitboxes, and I remember the ST being viewed as a tryhard car compared to the RS.

>>28571342
These are the richest men in europe, driving cars nobody would even steal in detroit
How sad is that?

>>28571346
Nobody in Detroit can steal a manual car.

>>28571353
I wouldnt know how to steal a donkey either. Any more quips about using antique technology?

>>28571335
>forcing people to break the law is okay if you don't really punish most of them
Are you retarded? It's bad for a number of things:
>selective enforcement of the law
>erosion of the law
>less people getting into fun cars because people generally don't want to break the law
>less people getting into the hobby because even if you're ready to break the law it requires additional effort
>less fun cars being made/imported/sold because little demand
>any organized group is basically a group of criminals, and that makes it harder to organize and to attend events and so on
>hobby on the verge of death
While the solution is really simple: change the fucking law so the people can do what they are already doing but legally.

>>28571323
Yes. if I would be looking for newer car that is practical, fun, reliable europe. Most of all cars powertrains are total garbage like hybrids, EV's. 0.8-2.0liter 3-4 cylinder turboengines. Its almost impossible to find reliable, fun cars with naturally aspirated 2.7+liter engines.

>>28571355
Said the leaf spring nation.

>>28571292
>What about Jimny, shill?
I'm not a shill - I don't have, never have had and never would buy an MX5 as I'm way too tall.
As for a Jimny - last time I checked it wasn't a sports car. Have they stopped making it?

>>28571358
For some retarded reason the displacement over 2 liters make the (((insurance))) significantly more expensive in a number of countries, but Yuropeons are okay with that. They are basically China at this point, that country made 2.0+L cars prohibitively expensive in the past iirc, so only the super rich (by their standards) drive 3 liter imports there (they don't have domestic production)

>>28571373
The Jimny became illegal in Europe, shill. From what I know, even the two-seater version created to cheat emissions by being legally an LCV.

Take the Z pill

>>28571376
>3.0i
The best I can do is 2.0

>>28571375
>The Jimny became illegal in Europe, shill.
And? I assume there weren't enough sales to make it worthwhile re-engineering it to meet the emissions requirements. In fact
>Suzuki UK hasn’t been especially keen on selling the Jimny. The British intake of the retro-styled off-road workhorse has been deliberately restricted, as its low-powered, 1.5-litre naturally-aspirated inline-four belches out a hilarious 170g/km of C02 in automatic form.
>That’s a higher emissions figure than a BMW M340i, to give some context, and the manual isn’t much better - it manages an unimpressive 154g/km. If Suzuki sells too many, it’ll screw up the firm’s average fleet emissions. Now, though, it seems Suzuki will go one step further, by removing it from the European range altogether.
as it puts out more CO2 than an M340i it sounds like it's not a day too soon.

But, on the other hand, pic rel.
So Suzuki can do it, they just can't be arsed for an antiquated off-roader only about 20 people per year buy. What a surprise

>>28571374
For the average Joe that goes to the market 2l is enough. Enthusiasts pay for the bigger engines.

>>28571391
They make bank in shitholes like India with zero regulations.

>>28571391
>re-engineering it to meet the emissions requirements
The eurocuck is at it again.

>>28571399
>shitholes like India with zero regulations
Well, I guess you could move there so you could drive one, because that shitty excuse for a "car" sounds ideally suited to that market. As do you.

>>28571405
Bring back tetramethyl lead, eh? Too late for you, though - the damage is done.

>>28571391
>as it puts out more CO2
You put out about 2000 grams of CO2 every day. Probably even more judging by what stance you took on this matter.

>>28571408
>CO2 damage

>>28571409
>In one day, the average person breathes out around 500 litres of the greenhouse gas CO2 – which amounts to around 1kg in mass. This doesn’t sound much until you take into account the fact that the world’s population is around 6.8 billion, collectively breathing out around 2500 million tonnes of the stuff each year – which is around 7 per cent of the annual CO2 tonnage churned out by the burning of fossil fuel around the world.
Your point?

>>28571420
Stop breathing.

>>28571357
>While the solution is really simple: change the fucking law so the people can do what they are already doing but legally.
no shit sherlock, go to brussels and tell them that lol. we're governed by people who hate cars. they don't want you in a car at all, let alone a fucking sports one, and they're well incentivized to keep thinking that way. if you think it's gonna get better easily you're on fucking crack

>>28571414
You seem to be advocating for lower emissions - I just thought not having to use stellite valve seats in old cars might be right up your dinosaur-populated street.

What you idiots don't seem to realise is that unless we make our toys play nice, then someone will take them away. And personally I like my non-hybrid cars, although I did move away from diesel

>>28571426
Tell that to the poster I replied to.

>>28571406
The Jimny is god tier off-road car.

>>28571428
>unless we make our toys play nice, then someone will take them away.
This post glows so much I hurt my eyes.

>>28571433
Well that's entirely appropriate, as Suzuki have taken it off the road (in EU at least).

>>28571434
And the second part? About my non-hybrid cars, busrider?

>>28571396
>you don't NEED
Serf mentality at its finest.

Look what you’ve done!

But no, driving your car was more important than poisoning the planet with CO2! Now everything is green!!!

>>28571442
Sorry, can't read that until my vision is fixed. Thanks to the European health system, other taxpayers will pay for it.

>>28571443
It might come as a surprise to you but different people have different needs.

>>28571124
Holy buzzwords

>>28571444
(((Globalists))) hate green.

>>28571447
Sure. Why do I have to pay more for 2.001 cu cm engine again?

>>28571111 (OP)
Idk bro, I got my Miata and Im quite happy. Ive got the worlds best roads too, just behind singapore. Insurance makes it so that when someone hits you they dont run or are uninsured so you have to work for that money.
I ride my bicycle to work and to other destinations throughout the week and the Miata is only there for rainy days and weekends.
If Europe doesnt fit your needs you can always move to the USA. After all Europe's education and trade schools are pretty good. I'm sure you can find a gig in the US. They got those nice and "cheap" v8's + some of the cheapest gas around in the developed world. Mr orange also deleted some of the regulations which includes the dogshit start-stop system regulation.

>>28571455
If you leech your parents.

>>28571468
>you can always move to the USA
Kek

>>28571457
To incentivize the production and use of cheaper and more economical cars.

>>28571420
>the world’s population is around 6.8 billion.
Kid, you are ridiculously outdated with your information. World population is officially confirmed to be 8.2 billion currently, but the actual population can be even higher because nobody knows the true amount of people at countrysides and off-grid.

>>28571475
If that doesnt fancy you, or you are that poor and never got anything beyond a hs diploma. Then you can also try:
>Malaysia
>Japan
For car countries. Hell Japan has literal government programmes that pay you to go there for training and do blue collar jobs. The Shaken inspection is greatly exaggerated by no wrench niggas who never attemtped to learn Japanese.

>>28571493
Not me. I just picked a random website with some facts in it to fuck with the idiot even further.
If that was you then it looks like it worked.

Oh, and btw - I agree the world is over-populated. Blame lack of education across the globe plus GDP

>>28571431
what's easier to do: defraud the government and have a 95% chance of never getting caught or change eu regulations? what do you think the vast majority of people will do? is it righ? no. hotel? trivago

>>28571323
Yes, always been. Driving a car solely for the driver’s own amusement is illegal in many European countries. We are criminal scum that must be executed, nothing more.
The law is supposed to be used against joyriding, doing burnouts in residential areas at 2 a.m., repeatedly just driving back and forth on the same street, driving around in roundabouts e.t.c., but where do you draw the line?
Most of us are breaking that law on daily basis with a little bit of correct interpretation.

>>28571491
>they are cheaper
>because other people pay for it

>>28571524
Yeah, and if no one stands up against this bullshit, they can just make it worse and worse every year. Peak Yuro serf mentality.

>>28571651
-What would you do if you had a million dollars?
-I'll tell you what I'd do, man: two turbochargers at the same time, man.
-That's it? If you had a million dollars, you'd do two turbochargers at the same time?
-Damn straight. I always wanted to do that, man. And I think if I were a millionaire I could hook that up, too; 'cause chicks dig dudes with two.
-Well, not all chicks.
-Well, the type of chicks that'd understand two turbochargers do.
-Good point.
-Well, what about you now? What would you do?
-Besides two turbochargers at the same time?
-Well, yeah.
-Nothing.
-Nothing, huh?
-I would complain ... I would sit on my ass all day... I would do nothing.
-Well, you don't need a million dollars to do nothing, man. Take a look at my cousin: he's living in Europe, don't do shit.

>>28571266
I joined a Miata club full of rich people who own 911's, Alfa 4C, and vets in addition to their Miata and still all prefer to drive the Miata on the twisty backroads.

Maybe there is more to a car than how fast it goes?

member when krauts had high revving NA V8s. wasnt even that long ago

B ec вce дeлaeтcя для людeй, нo инoгдa хpeнoвo пoлyчaeтcя. Глyпo тoлькo из зa этoгo нeнaвидeть жить в ec. Уpoвeнь жизни в Poccии нaмнoгo мeньшe

>>28571950
>B ec вce дeлaeтcя для людeй
And we all know these "people".

>>28571240
I kneel.

>>28571122
Looks like it's germany/switzerland/austria tier except they scam you

>>28571111 (OP)
You aren't wrong. The worst is the automatic electronic nanny shit speed warning/limiter that is now COMPULSARY

Why does everything have to pander to the lowest common denominator of sheeple?

>>28571142
>yanks paying thousands for vehicle insurance per month.
that doesn't sound right

>>28571233
>just give MORE money to the government!!
yea thanks but no thanks

>>28571124
>The reall issue is safety regs making cars look ugly as fuck.
Fixed. No one should be able to survive any 80mph+ crash.

>>28571111 (OP)
Don't forget the gazillion speed bumps every 10th meter that are heeming everyones suspensions
This is a finished continent.

>>28575185
Dentist moment

>>28571124
>actually a turbo charged 3 cyl engine is a good thing because it's """powerful"""

I love when left wing cultists act retarded like this

>>28571111 (OP)
You're just figuring this out now?? You didn't think it was suspicious that the only way to save us from "climate change" is to reduce the middle/lower class' standard of living? Like when politicians tell people to turn their AC off in the middle of summer or else a forest fire will magically happen.

>>28571420
Yeah and they plan on dropping that to 500 million

>>28571428
>although I did move away from diesel
Which is hilarious considering the UN staff was driven to their climate change summits in Diesel Cadillacs

>>28571111 (OP)
The car problem has already been solved.

>>28575480
trvthnvke

>>28575263
Diesel had been considered more environment-friendly than gasoline for quite some time in Europe. It's like "global cooling" replaced by "global warming", but since too many goys have started to notice, they replaced it with less conspicious "climate change" while implying it's manmade.

>>28575480
The problem of not having enough videos with 2-wheelers getting btfo'd in the most hilarious ways? You bet.