Thread 28672067

Looking for a new shit box, ideally something awd. I don't want to deal with an unreliable Subaru boxer or euro pain and the Toyota/Honda tax on their AWD stuff is laughable.

In comes the Cadillac ATS. They seem plentiful, fairly cheap, and supposedly the 3.6 is decent. What's the verdict?

Eats timing chains for breakfast lunch and dinner. I'd go with the 2.0t but someone will say ecotecs are absolute dog shit when in reality, there no worse than any other contemporary 4 banger with a turbo on the market. I'd get whatever last Acura Accord they made with AWD + v6 if that's the pairing your headset on

>>28672087
I thought they supposedly fixed the timing chain issues around 2012? And goofballs want the moon and stars for said Acura Accord bullshittery these days.

>>28672092
Those acuras have subaru/audi style awd without the associated headaches
bmw awds are good too you just have to know which models and engines to avoid (f10s eat front axles)

>>28672067 (OP)
>unreliable Subaru boxer
It's a meme. They aren't unreliable when not modded if you just change the oil. They're usually reliable. Why would you think some Caddy would be cheaper to maintain?

>>28672097
It's more so about not wanting to deal with with the specific types of issues Subaru's tend to have. That being glass transmissions, head gasket failure, and uncle Rodney coming to visit if you even think about enjoying the occasional redline.

>>28672093
The mass electronic integration BMW's and other euro stuff has seems pretty gross. I don't want to have to do electrical diag because the electronically controlled gas cap door is working intermittently. Also, I really enjoy being able to take a peek at the oil on my dip stick.

>>28672105
I just got out of a 150k mile EJ253 (one of the headgasket ones) with the famous glass 5-spd. I redlined every goddamned day and never had an issue, not even a weep or seep in the engine bay. No sign of coolant seepage, didn't even burn oil.
I did have to replace the front diff b/c the prev owner was a retard but Subarus are actually cheap to maintain and get parts for.
The headgasket issues were gone by the early '00s and had to do with Subaru cheaping out on gaskets, not the boxer design.
They're actually one of the more-reliable brands in general.

>>28672097
>not modded

It's truly wild that something as simple as an intake and exhaust is enough to potentially blow up a Subaru.

>>28672122
>The headgasket issues were gone by the early '00s
'10s, my bad. All of their "famous issues" are memes from user error.

>>28672122
Anytime I consider going the Subaru route I car-part engines for them around me (paranoia) and I'm always shocked at how much they are. Cadillac ATS and Lexus IS250 engines are cheaper, which is a bit shocking.

>>28672122
>>28672125
I've never seen a brand more than Subaru that constantly has cars posted with something along the lines of "needs a engine".

>>28672122
Why'd you get rid of it?

>>28672131
someone crashed into them

>>28672067 (OP)
get an older acura tlx, sh-awd with the J35 is a good combo

>>28672135
Yep, that's me. A week ago today. Just sitting behind a line of cars at a red and BOOM. It could happen at any time.

>>28672067 (OP)
Used Tesla 3 LR

>>28672142
>pushed into the car in front of you
Lame. Did your insurance have to pay them out since you "rear ended" them?

>>28672210
Still haven't figured out the insurance shit, I don't think so. The guy behind was 100% at fault so it's unlikely.

>>28672225
>The guy behind was 100% at fault
you failed to maintain a safe distance from the car ahead of you or adequately apply your brakes, especially considering how minor the damage is to the rear end of your car compared to the front end. its not like you got pushed forward 10+ feet.

>>28672092
>>28672087
The timing chains havent been an issue since 2014. The high feature actually matured into a very good v6. But the LTG ecotec is also the best ecotec engine as well. Both are good options.
The ct4/ct5 represent a significant jump up in the quality if the interiors. But the ats is great all around. Also look at the buick regal T type awd. It also has the LTG but mounted transversely.

>>28672240
There were 23 feet of skid marks left by the car that hit me, which presumably even had ABS (2018 Camry). I was on the brake because it's a downhill and it was a manual. I stay back far enough that I can see the bottom of the car ahead's rear tires over my hood, it's my policy. No one stays back 10+ feet, that's retarded. Get over yourself.

>>28672105
Get an H6 and just service your CVT every 30k miles. Head gaskets aren't an issue on any Subie past 2012. If you get with a 2.5 get a 2016+ as they fixed the piston ring oil leak issue on those.

>>28672248
2014 Specifically? The exact timing on when the timing chain issue was resolved seems somewhat murky. Some folks claiming 2012+ is fine, some 2013+ is fine, and so on. But yeah, supposedly that 3.6 really became something decent so long as the oil was monitored. Seems like most folks agree that those later 3.6's (excluding AFM models) tend to be more reliable than the turbo eco's.

Are the rumors about copious amounts of ATS luxury electrical gremlins true?

>>28672126
New Subaru parts are pretty cheap. Think $2000 for a shortblock.

>>28672105
90% of Subaru failures are from not checking the oil and modding the car without a tune. They have really inconsistent oil consumption, you have to check them once a week like a rotary and change the oil every 3-3500 miles (they're hard on their oil) with a weight higher than stock (0w40/5w40 for EJs, 0w/5w30 for FAs).

Look into a 15-21 WRX, you can find them for $12-18k all day long and if you keep it stock they stay pretty reliable. FA20 is a good motor, makes 220-230whp stock and will be reliable up to 320whp (after that the transmissions or rods go). And if its a second car a STi is a awesome deal for a performance car. The GR 08-14s and pre-facelift VAs are close to the bottom of their depreciation curve, you can find low mileage cars with 60-90k miles for $15-20k (I paid $16k for a 2016 w/73k miles) all day long. $10-15k is the floor for them.

They're not that bad as long as you stay stock turbo (<350whp on a VF48) imo.

>>28673473
What are your thoughts on golden era 2000 - 2007 EJ205's?

Seems like they hold up much better than EJ25's and potentially handle power better than FA's

>>28672149
Model s or x 85d, maybe with sc01

>>28673544
They hold up better to abuse (No AVCS, larger clearances, no banjo bolts to clog up, longer lasting turbos) but the cars they come in are all pushing 20+ years old and clapped.

300~ whp is the limit for a EJ205, I wouldn't bother going past that before it'll crap a rod bearing or rod. Its not even worth building them imo. Just go for a EJ25 for the same money, it'll be in a newer car with less issues. Or a FA and you have the same power capability but now you build boost 1000rpms sooner (2200-2500rpms vs 3500rpms), get high 20s mpg vs 16-19mpg, and its generally more reliable from being newer and a better design.

If you notice the limits of these cars usually go for <300-320whp if it came in a WRX and <350-370whp if it came in a STi. Exceptions being EJ207 and FA24 (closer to <400~ whp). Its the same design flaws and bullshit in the STis as the WRXs, just the heads/valvetrain is improved and the turbos are slightly bigger. I'd honestly try to stay on the lower end of that number.

>>28672093
No they don’t lmao. Also the Audi and Subaru systems never have issues. Audis only real issues are packaging and paying labor to fix stuff.

>hey guys what do you think about this AWD sedan? I'm looking for an alternative to a Subaru or an Audi
>Thread derails into Subarus
everytime

>>28672067 (OP)
It's a GM so everything that runs on electricity will be broken

>>28673785
First gen Honda/Acura Legends and RLs had longitudinal engines.

>>28672122
My 28 year old EJ25D (the 100% headgasket failure rate one) still starts every morning and gets me where I need to go with 236k on it now. It's by far and away the most reliable car I own. Anyone on this board would think my NB Miata would be more reliable, but the Subaru isn't the one that has had its engine replaced.

>>28672270
>There were 23 feet of skid marks left by the car that hit me, which presumably even had ABS (2018 Camry)
ABS wont leave those, there are none in your picture under the black car, and what the other driver did was irrelevant

>. I was on the brake because it's a downhill and it was a manual.
nigger that road is flat, and it still doesnt matter, you didnt leave an adequate interval. insurance company is going to use the 3 second rule here

>I stay back far enough that I can see the bottom of the car ahead's rear tires over my hood
thats a funny way of saying you were tailgating the car ahead of you

>No one stays back 10+ feet, that's retarded
that expedition in front you is 17-19 feet long, you're saying you had half a cars length in front of your cuckbox. anyways enjoy getting BTFO'ed by their insurance company for being at fault here

>>28673836
>being at fault for an accident
>while stopped at a light
"no"

>>28673844
>I dont know what comparative negligence is
stay btfo cuckboxanon

>>28673836
Just talked to insurance, they were found 100% at-fault. Duh - he hit a vehicle stopped at a light, 17 y.o. kid.
Yes it's downhill, if I didn't have by brake on it would roll. I drive there often.
Also, see skidmarks.
Git bent.

>>28673857
those skid marks and offset from their wheels you retard. anyways im sure your dad works at nintendo too. enjoy your busted up cuckbox now with frame damage

and lol at your shitty driving, you were in a mile long left hand turn lane on AL-110 turning on to Vaughn road, and you thought it was nesseccary to tailgate the guy in front of you even though you were supposedly stopped.


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>>28673857
even take a look at the satelite view, everyone except you keeps a larger interval than 5-7 feet. you're just a shitty driver who managed to hit another car while they were stopped no less

>>28673881
>Maf b/c wrong
Many such cases.
Oh yeah, let me stay 20 ft back from cars at every red light because some idiot might ram me.

>>28673883
that is normal behavior at this intersection, look at street view you terribad driver. people who spent money on their trucks, or escalade do so, you in your frame damaged shitbox dont because they arent invested

>>28673884
That doesn't change anything. The dude rammed into me. Open-and-shut case. Get over yourself.

>>28673885
stay butthurt you dont know how to drive

>>28673884
That's a fun banked right-hander btw if you've got the green.

>>28673886
Like I give a shit. He was found 100% at-fault. He rammed into a stopped car. You're just being a little bitch.

>>28673888
i'm sure he was, and you were too. he hit you because he didnt take adequate care, you hit the expedition because you didnt. how many times do you want me to post pictures of this intersection to show how much space competent drivers leave before the car in front of them, especially in a rural setting

>>28673890
Those cars are all slowing down idiot. I've never, ever seen ppl stop like that.

>>28673891
>I've never, ever seen ppl stop like that.
Of course not, you're a cuckbox driver who cant see through the truck ahead of them. Stay blown the fuck out by Google Stree View.

>>28673898
Obsessed.
I hope some kid reks your shit

>>28673898
retard

>>28673909
>>28673911
i've been rear ended plenty of times, enough that I have pic related, never once have i been pushed in to the car ahead of me because im not a terribad

>>28673917
>it hasn't happened to me therefore it's not possible!
kys already

>>28673926
maintain adequate distance and it is not possible. stay butthurt anon, that everyone else around you can manage to do this but you cant. your cuckbox isnt crumpled in to a ball, its not like the guy behind you was doing 90mph. you managed to get in to at fault collision at 0 mph. its really hard to do, but you managed to.

>>28673928
>you managed to get in to at fault collision at 0 mph.
Insurance found the other guy 100% at fault though. Why do you insist on doubling down on being wrong?

>>28673933
im sure your insurance did, just as the expedition's insurance will find you at fault. if it wasnt for terribads cuckbox drivers like you rear ending people, I wouldnt have to put bumper guards on my car. plz git gud

>>28673961
>he thinks that flimsy piece of shit will do anything against someone rear ending him at speed

>>28673962
considering app you did was crumple the plastic bumper cover on the expedition, yeah it'll certainly hold up and the brackets will absorb the energy. also lol at the expedition's plastic bumper cover cracking your radiator. I hope you enjoyed your walk home.

>>28673966
>what is frame damage

>>28673969
yes it is quite obvious you suffered frame damage as well. a body on frame vehicle like that expendition however came out perfectly fine with minor damage to its fascia

>>28673974
I guarantee when the Expedition's plastic bumper cover gets pulled off for inspection, there will be frame damage underneath it.

>>28673985
there wont be, trugg frames are thick as fuck, mine is 7.5-8mm thick, there is a reason why it weighs 3 tons. and here is a secret about BOF vehicles that cuckbox drivers dont know, the frames are modular can be replaced, the bumper portions are especially easy to replace because nothing else is bolted to them other than perhaps the lift gate lock. pic related

>>28674028
>conveniently misses the existence of the crumple zone immediately after the bolt on bumper beam, clear as day in your photo

>>28674040
stay butt hurt anon, go back and look at the expedition, and then look at the two cuckboxes behind it, tell me which ones are crumpled. enjoy being underwater on your frame damaged cuckbox

>>28674040
also lol at pic related, you are so terribad at cars you're missing a fucking lug nut on your drive and steering axle. jesus fucking christ anon

>>28674058
>>28674050
I'm not the owner of that rekt subaru, cope harder physicslet

I'm the guy, my last reply was >>28673909 lol.
I love watching some turbosperg in a giant automatic SUV act like he's soo smart. The lug nut? A shop that replaced my FL wheel threaded the stud just last month, I even posted about it and was going to replace it, now I don't have to. Oh no.

>>28674095
>i cant fix a stud
the absolute state of cuckbox impreza drivers

>now I don't have to
lol at totaling your car at 0 mph

>>28674095
Faggots like that with no argument always resort to nitpicking irrelevant shit in your photo like that. Kinda sad honestly.

>>28674105
I've replaced studs before, was just being lazy, I'm getting old. You just hammer the old one out. You might notice the Camry was missing one on the rear driver wheel too.
Is that a tiny weed grinder? Is that supposed to impress me?

>>28674138
>i've replaced studs before
>but i dont know what a bearing is
cool story bro

>>28674143
The image was super dark. Everyone knows what a wheel bearing is, weirdo. It's not some special knowledge.

>>28674171
>Everyone knows what a wheel bearing is, weirdo. It's not some special knowledge.
thats not a wheel bearing you retard. Wheel bearings are a fuck load larger. Anyways thanks for proving you have no idea how wheel studs are installed.

>>28674223
Last time I did it I just used a hammer. Was a Saturn SL1 20 years ago. I'm sorry you have to resort to gimmicky tools. It is the right tool though, you're just being insufferable. I'm sorry you have to drive a gigantic SUV.

>>28674223
>wheel bearings are a fuck load larger
not necessarily

>>28674242
>removing the wheel hub
>to hammer in a stud
>on a Saturn SL1
thank you for proving yet again you've never worked on a car. SL1s dont even have hub assemblies, the hubs are pressed in to the bearing. In this retarded larp, you would have had to use a slide hammer to remove the hub from the bearing, hammered in the new stud, cut the bearing race off the hub, removed the steering knuckle, put it in a press to remove the old bearing, and then pressed in a bearing and the hub back in, put it all back together, and get your alignment redone all to avoid buying a $8 "gimmicky" tool

>>28674256
Maybe it was an SL2, idk, wasn't my car. I do remember just hammering the old one out and hammering the new one in. I'm an engineer, buddy, can you pass differential equations, enginering materials, or fluid dynamics? Shoulda paid attention in school.

>>28674272
>Maybe it was an SL2
the process would still be the same you tard. your larp is terribad just like your driving

>>28674283
Stay mad, blue-collar boy.

>>28674272
>Maybe it was an SL2
the process would still be the same you tard. your larp is terribad just like your driving

>>28674285
lol ok

>>28672067 (OP)
Honda pilot 4wd

It's a big ass v6 accord

>>28673890
>especially in a rural setting

who the fuck leaves 2 carlengths in between cars other than retards

>>28673881

the car has to be moving to be tailgating

>>28673961

you're tailgating the car in front of you by your own definition and those guards are meant for parallel parking

your pedantic ass should be a personal injury attorney so i can watch you get btfo

>>28674314
>who the fuck leaves 2 carlengths in between cars other than retards
people who have seen other people get rear ended at speed. and i'm sure cuckboxanon will start after this

>the car has to be moving to be tailgating
you're retarded enough to not know where the term comes from aren't you? anyways stay butthurt anon