Thread 2815455

How important do you think a survival knife is?
Do you think it is a rather not needed item thats need can be superseded by a usual every day knife?
It is easier to just snap logs for a fire than to hack them with a survival knife.
This is of course not including raw survival where you are needing bushcraft and hunting skills to actually survive. Just general non normie tier camp holiday woodland camping.

>>2815455 (OP)
"survival Knife" Not important at all. A good general purpose knife or pocket knife are very handy in many situations. I like the mora companion HD for a fixed blade and I carry a buck bantam pocket knife when out. I would never buy a single knife from your OP picture, they look like shit and will probably perform the same. Those are LARP knives. If you want to LARP go to /k/

>>2815456
Yeah I just got the image by searching survival knife.
if I was gonna get a survival knife it would be a UK military sheffield steel knife
Something like pic.
Its simple, full tang multi purpose knife can be used as a saw, hammer, shovel etc.
Just I am am asking because I am thinking of forgoing a survival knife and just using a pocket knife.
only thing I can think I need a knife for is whittling wood for poles and tinder.

knives are for killing, long skinny pokers with a sharp point. axes are for chopping. survival knives are just a compromise.

>>2815458
Forgo the survival knife and stick to a knife you'll want to use as a knife. If you want to saw something, use a saw. I've never found a saw blade on a knife to be useful for sawing. It's always been slow cumbersome and just fucking annoying honestly. You can find some very good folding saws that are light and don't take up much space. If you want to dig a hole use a shovel. Using a knife to dig a hole should be an emergency use only. Knives are terrible shovels and you risk damaging your blade. Unless you're backpacking and trying to cut weight, just bring a "military" style folding shovel/pick. If you're backpacking, get a spade. You can find spades that have blades and saws, but they're not useful in my experience. If you want to split wood use a hatchet. Again, unless you're trying to save ounces for a multiday hike, just get a good hatchet. Knives aren't good at splitting, they're not designed to be used this way and you WILL damage your knife if you use it this way. Unless you're planning on being in a situation where you'll need to split wood, this shouldn't even be a consideration.

>>2815461
ok tell that to the US Marines

>>2815461
Knives re a tool you fucking retard. Not inherently a weapon

>>2815455 (OP)
Get the Izula from that pic and you don’t have to compromise! I daily the Esees for like 5 years now and used them many many times for little pry jobs that would’ve snapped the Bitchmade 27CPM-VMAX tip instantly.

Nothing wrong with the survival knives, they're just a bit overbuilt for what you might use a knife for on a hiking/camping trip.
I have the ESEE 4, and it's probably great for bushcrafting and cleaving wood and survival, but that's not what I'm doing. I got the Izula (lowest knife in the OP picture) and am happier with that. Lighter, still enough knife, can pack it away easier so it doesn't dangle in its sheath, blade solid enough for poking and scraping and prying, cuts well enough, easy to sharpen.

>>2815455 (OP)
"survival" knives are memes. I do EDC an Esee 4, since I carry concealed and it's flat grip prints much less than the rounded handle on a proper knife (like a mora...), and used to carry a Glock 81 outdoors, but those thick-bladed knives just suck at almost everything other than stabbing. The two-bevel grind makes them useless for carving, the excess length makes them useless for fine work, and they're still too short to be good for hacking. Sure, a thicker blade lets you use it as a prybar, but why would you do that in the first place?

Take it from someone who's tried way to many knives: Anything that isn't a thin, scandi-ground blade of less than a hand's width is either a highly specialized tool like fileting knife or a stiletto, or pointless crap.

>>2815455 (OP)
Always consider application first to then determine the tool best suited to it. Knives like these are about people choosing the tool first then trying to find ways to justify carrying it. I don't carry any kind of dedicated knife. I have a leatherman, a flathead screwdriver and sometimes carry a small pruning saw. I think the only application i can think of where a fixed blade knife of some kind would be useful to me is cooking. That's just because cleaning food residue off a folder is annoying. I don't want to go cleaning a fish and getting blood all over everything with a folding knife.

>>2815455 (OP)
Whats wrong with just using a regular buck knife? Is it because the tacticool style give you bonus skill points or some shit?

>>2815667
Why would ypo8u ever need a screwdriver?
In that case a swiss army knife would be a better suited tool, multi tool of course.
>>2816465
A survival knife is well, what it defines, survival.
It is a hunting tool, can be used as a shovel, hammer, saw. So in of itself it then removes the need for o0ther tools as it is a multi purpose tool itself, Hence why they are given to infantry in armies.
As you would most likely know, pack weight is important and something like this removes so much pack weight by redusing the need for other tools.
Though like the other anon I replied to said, think of the application needed before the tool.
I cannot think of any application I would need it for as I am not hunting etc and now have a lightweight foldable shovel for a shit hole.
Obviously carrying a pocket knife for general use, but even then like I said in OP only for whittling wood for tinder/kindling and to create poles for a basha shelter.

Back in the "good ole days" when I was a noob I used to have a meme rambo knife, compass and waterproof matches and all in the hilt.

>>2815455 (OP)
>usual every day knife
How long is a rope?
Usual everyday knife will be wildly different depending on who you ask.
To me that's a knife with ~4" blade and a scandi grind, in my case that's a better survival knife than most "survival knives".

>>2817865
>scandi grind
I do not know why you would need this for, what use it has? but an every day knife is called so because you use it every day. its a general knife you would use for whittling wood for kindling, or sharpening wooden poles for tent (basha) poles or pegs.
Has multi use, where a survival knife, again,, the clue is in the name.
you are using it to hunt, chop (wood or flesh) its a tool that again is multi purpose but may not be needed UNLESS you were in a survival situation, rather than just general bushcraft camping. (compared to glamping where you carry shit loads of crap with you, maybe even in a car)

>>2817871
I like scandi because it's inherently strong, and it's the best grind for wood work, also very easy to maintain.
The last point there is very relevant, since I will always choose a tougher steel over a harder more brittle steel for my knives.
Dulling is an annoyance, chipping is death for the knife.
Scandi can work for handling food prep just fine, just not ideal, but it's not like it's bad at it, just somewhat suboptimal.
For hunting, I' carry a small folder with flat grind and a more suited blade profile for skinning and gutting.

>>2817878
Well for me I doubt I will ever go that deep into the woods I would need such tools. I will never hunt animals and any food I eat would be the most simple and basic food that is light to carry but nutritious enough to survive. Only time I would ever go that deep into the woods is when I go to an hero but even then I would carry as much food as I can in the lightest load I intend to carry and die by starvation or carbon monoxide poisoning via charcoal.
Deepest camping I am ever gonna do is 1 month or so worth of really basic food, rice beans etc and live away from society with intention to do shopping runs at super markets for another months supply (or more) of food I can carry.

>>2815466
>acting like a bunch of people best known for eating crayons are relevant

You should not need one for regular camping. However, they can be very handy if something goes wrong, or in an emergency. Personally I would rather stack the deck in my favor, so some asshole youtuber doesn’t make a video about me getting raped to death by bigfoot. A Mora Companion should do fine for most people who aren’t gear whores.

>>2815455 (OP)
Knives are extremely important, but "survival knife" is a marketing term.

>>2817972
Boomer era survival knives are mostly hunting/fighting knives. A bushcraft knife is probably the best overall. Sadly no one knife does all things best.

>>2817975
Survival knives are mostly modern war knife interpretations. War knives were based on traditional hunting knives, but needed to be beefed up to go beyond the flesh-cutting task.
>Sadly no one knife does all things best.
Absolutely true.

>>2815455 (OP)
In a legit survival situation, ANY knife becomes a survival knife.

>>2818303
I figure it’s a culture of vets getting nice (for them) combat knives from WW1 to Vietnam.

>>2815455 (OP)
Anyone who thinks using dead sticks off of the ground exclusively is a viable way to make fires suitable for long-term warmth, water purification, or cooking must have very little experience with any of the above. It is vitally important to be capable of processing large diameter blowdown, this includes lots of splitting. Without a sturdy fixed blade or a hatchet you are significantly handicapped. People who carry neither are people who spend the majority of their time on trails or at fixed camps in the summertime and are not people you should listen to for survival advice.

>>2817878
Scandi is NOT easy to maintain. The wide bevel will inevitably become rounded during hand sharpening. With every pass of the stone only a small percentage of the bevel is actually being ground. The wider the bevel, the longer it takes to sharpen and the more that can go wrong. For wilderness knives that will be sharpened primarily with small pocket stones you want the narrowest bevel possible. This requires a steeper angle on a shallower grind. ESEE is a good example of this, flat grind that cuts very well abruptly terminating in a very narrow 20 degree secondary bevel that is easily kept in shape with the most minimalistic sharpening equipment. Large chips can be ground out almost instantly with a small file. Scandi grind is a specialized carving geometry that is more suitable for professional use in a workshop.

>>2816465
Poor tang geometry and heat treatment optimized for edge retention instead of toughness. Buck knives are very easy to break.

>>2815667
You can't process firewood in wet conditions with your setup. You have no way to split wood other than to make wedges, which takes forever if you're carving with a small knife rather than hewing with a large one, and wedges become ineffective on smaller diameter wood so you have no way to prepare a kindling pile anywhere near efficiently enough to get the job done in a reasonable time frame.

>>2818393
>t. never sharpened a knife
>The wide bevel will inevitably become rounded during hand sharpening.
The wide bevel is much easier to place flat on the stone than a narrow bevel.
>With every pass of the stone only a small percentage of the bevel is actually being ground.
Try it, and look where the scratch marks are. they'll be all across the bevel.
>For wilderness knives that will be sharpened primarily with small pocket stones
Why would you sharpen with a "pocket stone" in the first place? a proper knife barely needs resharpening. I use my main outdoor knife, a 5€ Mora, a lot, and only resharpen it once or twice a year, whenever it gets to dull to shave hair of my forearm.
>Scandi grind is a specialized carving geometry
lol. It's literally a geometry designed to be easy to produce and maintain, which is why all those cheap gardening and hunting knives from mora, fiskars, gardena etc. have it.

>>2818410
I've been sharpening knives and practicing bushcraft for over 20 years. Narrow bevel always wins and makes life easier. Just the way it is. Mora/scandi ends up staying in the drawer.

>>2818396
That's what the screwdriver is for.

>>2818422
At this point the cult of not carrying a proper knife is getting as ridiculous as the cult of giant Rambo survival knives. Just carry a strong fixed blade that carries comfortably.

>>2818422
I have thought about using a large cold forged chisel for the same thing. I’m pretty set on my Terava 4” though.

>>2818392
>Anyone who thinks using dead sticks off of the ground exclusively is a viable way to make fires suitable for long-term warmth, water purification, or cooking must have very little experience with any of the above.
What an ironically retarded statement

>>2818392
>It is vitally important to be capable of processing large diameter blowdown, this includes lots of splitting

>>2818392
>People who carry neither are people who spend the majority of their time on trails or at fixed camps in the summertime and are not people you should listen to for survival advice.
You sound like an absolute fucking retard.
I don't mean the average retard where your mother just accepts that she has to buy "big boy clothes now" at the local supermarket.
i mean so retarded that you are so retarded to even know you are retarded.
You only have to reiterate your shitpost to see this, but you are so retarded that somehow what you shitposted made sense in your retarded mind.
Because you are a retard....

>>2818422
>>That's what the screwdriver is for.
WHAT?
Screwdriver is for driving screws..
How is a tool designed for "driving screws" gonna help with the situation anon hypothetically stated?
Let alone be useful as a tool in the situations (i.e no screws to drive)
Are you a negro?

>>2818553
>>2818555
>>2818556

Where do you live? In temperate forests such as Appalachia and New England, 80% you are absolutely not going to accomplish anything by making fires from sticks because they will always be rotten and wet. You might get a small fire going with patience, but you're not staying warm all night like that, you're not cooking a stew, at best you can just warm your hands up. You're not making a useful fire unless you can find a thick branch suspended off the ground 4" or more in diameter with dry wood in the middle, which requires serious cutting tools to process. Bare minimum a Silky and a strong fixed blade. The old timers like Kephart considered you completely handicapped without a hatchet.

Knives are based and ultralight/tool purists dont know shit about innawoods

>>2818603
I have made thousands of fires in Appalachia. I start with the very small dead twigs found at the bottom of cedar and southern pine trees. These twigs are no larger in diameter than a pencil lead.
I increase the size of wood slowly as the fire takes. Sticks the diameter of a pencil then perhaps 1/2 inch in diameter , stepping up slowly until I can use large diameter logs to sustain the fire.
I have used folding saws as well as hatchets to process firewood. Very rarely do I use a knife to process firewood.
In my experience, you are overstating the difficulty of finding usable firewood in Appalachia.
>You're not making a useful fire unless you can find a thick branch suspended off the ground 4" or more in diameter with dry wood in the middle,

I will use these dead branches but in my experience it is not accurate to say there is not plenty of useable firewood of the same size on the ground that is not rotten. Trees fall across other trees and are kept dry and off the ground.
You can find a fallen oak tree limb or tree top that will provide all of the wood you need for multiple days. I am not even thinking of the areas of Appalachia that have experienced strong storms and will have an acre of blowdown.
That is all I am saying is that I think you are overstating the difficulty of building and maintaining a fire in Appalachia.

>making tinder, small camping tasks
old SRK
>sharp knife for food, and for fishing
mora

I have never needed or wanted anything else.

thinking of making one of these, it's old timey and I can make it as chunky as I want. Not sure what the blade is but it will become a sheep's foot/drop point with enough use haha. Anyone else like these kinds of knives?

>>2818613
If a knife is not full tang it is useless and that is clearly not full tang.

>>2815455 (OP)
Having a sharp, high quality knife is essential for processing fish/game, cooking, cutting stuff like rope, and making pointy sticks/de-barking wood. But survival knives are a marketing meme. For general camping/outdoor stuff there's usually a better tool on hand for most "survival knife" tasks like batoning and cutting down small trees.

>>2818421
>>2818393
I've hand sharpened my mora on a stone probably about 7 or 8 times since I bought it 6 years ago and it's still going strong. Sounds like you're using poor technique.

>>2818625
>If a knife is not full tang it is useless and that is clearly not full tang.
Full tang is only necessary for prying and hammering, which you probably shouldn't be doing in the first place. My folder is my most used tool for the simple fact that it's always in my pocket. I wouldn't call that useless.

>>2818609
I think you're a fair-weather bushcrafter

>>2818642
NTA but everything he said is true. You're just salty. Imagine not knowing that you can just break off bone dry dead branches at the bottom of evergreens. Imagine not knowing what a standing dead tree is.

>>2818642
I usually wear 100% cotton and it has not killed me yet.

>>2818648
You would have to spend 8 hours doing that to get a winter night's firewood under ideal conditions when everything is dry.

>>2818659
Cotton is fine in dry weather

>>2818664
If you can find a standing dead tree that can be pushed over you will be able to snap the twice and medium size branches off, then feed the main body of the tree into the fire as it burns. You can do this with multiple trees for bigger fires.

>>2818672
With a simple cutting tool you can harvest extremely high quality dry wood from any dead tree and process it into any size needed in a reasonable time frame. Do you also hunt game by chasing it and biting it on the neck?

>>2818674
I agree, cutting tools are ideal. I almost never go /out/ without my knife and saw/hatchet. Just saying it's not as hard to make a fire without them as you're making it out to be.

>Do you also hunt game by chasing it and biting it on the neck?
I hunt small game with a longbow. Sometimes there is value in doing things the hard way.

>>2818675
Yes it is. A very large percentage of the time it is physically impossible to find small diameter wood that is dry. The further north you go the more common these conditions are, but even in east Tennessee or western North Carolina there is a good chance you're going to be staying awake all night rather than sleeping by a fire if you lack basic tools. In Maine or the Adirondacks you are absolutely going to die without proper cutting tools, full stop.

>>2815456
>A good general purpose knife
>I would never buy a single knife from your OP picture

This is very silly and contradictory. I use my Strongarm all the time outside and around the house. It's too big to carry in your back pocket but it's sturdy enough to use for just about anything. Just this morning I used it to stab through cold ground and pry up pavers that I was pouring river rocks below in order to level. When it's sharp I use it to cut fruit on the trail, or use it to smash ice in a cooler etc etc it's useful for anything that can be solved by smashing, cutting, or stabbing basically. Definitely the most used knife I have ever owned. It's just slightly too big to carry but I have it in my car or pack all the time. I don't intend to get stranded in the woods but given how constantly useful it is I would absolutely consider it a survival knife. Sometimes I wish it was longer for certain cutting tasks or had a thinner blade for turning screws and cutting food but then it wouldn't be as portable or durable. 10/10 honestly.

>>2818706
>chopping ice (in freezer)
>cutting fruit
>prying up pavers
>survival
Bear Grylls has entered the thread, heed this man's opinion

>>2818746
Yeah that's what I use it for. Unlike Bear Grylls I don't larp as something I'm not. I also whittle, dig, cut fishing line and clean trout, and roasted a hotdog over coals with it once. It only melted the plastic a tiny bit. It's been useful to me for 5 years now. That's what an actual survival knife is imo not whatever sponsored product the latest eceleb you waste your life watching is shilling.

I really hate people like you who are oh so concerned about how the products they consume make them appear to their peers. Oh no my product is not the current meta, better go waste money on the current thing so I can fit in because I have no real identity. Is it tiring being such a massive sissy faggot?

>>2815458
>A knife that can be used as a shovel

example

>>2819287
You think you cannot use a knife to dig in dirt?
you are a fucking retard

>>2819323
Wouldn't in make more sense to sharpen a branch and use that to dig?

>>2819324
Yeah you are a retard.
Do you think dirt is gonna snap steel or something like that?
Are you really this mentally deficient?

>>2818906
Thats not what survival is, moron.

Call it a convenience knife.

>>2815455 (OP)
What kind/brand of fixed blade knife should I get for a 3 week boat trip? I want it to be able to cut lines quickly

>>2819327
Fully serated if it's main task is cutting lines. When I was a deckhand I always kept a fully serated knife in my pocket it's the fastest way to get through rope.

Also, I've never done it so I might be wrong, but I think great loop trips take more like 3 months not 3 weeks.

>>2819327
Fishing knife...Serated with a curved end for cutting lines

>>2815466
bean counters decide which lowest-bidder's gear they will use - you should absolutely not look to them for advice on anything except crayon eating

>>2819338
He brought up the Marines so I assume he's talking about the USN Mk2 and that was a standard set by the military, not a bid that was accepted by a single contractor.

>>2819342
The BK16 is better than anything in the fighter lines. Shame it has a crap sheath though.

What happens in here?

I use a knife for outdoor knife stuff nearly everyday. I'm posting my top 3 go-to knives (the ones I use the most as someone who lives in a dry cabin out in the woods), and then below I'm going to post pics of other knives which have many of characteristics that I've learned to look for in a working knife.

>>2821524
(This will probably end up being the next knife I purchase - it's blade profile, grip contour, shape, length, etc basically seem as close to perfect as I can imagine.)

>>2819325
Its going to majorly dull your knife

>>2815455 (OP)
i knife autismo'd for years then bought a couple of replaceable blade knives and never looked back
i rarely use knives at all except when fishing and hunting. it's severely overrated

>>2818610
This is the "Toyota Camry" answer and is 100% correct in that context. An experienced person may make different choices, but no one would *need* anything more and could do everything they might need to do with a knife.

My only caveat is that you specifically say old SRK - the old SRKs had saber grinds, while the new standard SRKs are hollow grinds. I think a new SRK-C might be a little better than a new SRK because the compact version has a flat saber grind. The 3v versions of both knives have saber grinds, but good luck sharpening a 3v blade with a rock if you have to. With that caveat, an SRK and a Mora are solid for both beginners and experts.

>>2815455 (OP)
Despite the outdoors marketing, the knife hobby like many other hobbies has turned into a weird fetishistic collector thing.

Knife posts on /out/ are the best posts. Sometimes I just want to scroll through knife stuff.

>>2815455 (OP)
more important to keep a easy to carry one with a sharpener thats also light weight, or at least know how to sharpen it and have a blade that wont break easy

>>2822206
theyre extremely useful, why wouldnt you have at least a few of them? same as lighters and other obvious things for survival

I live in England where if you get caught outdoors with too big of a knife you can get send to prison.

If my shawty wasn't English with her family I'd be out of this shithole a long time ago

>>2818421
>practicing bushcraft
Spotted the retard.
Bushcraft is a meme for manchildren that need some weird made up excuse to go outside.
Go baton your dick with your tiny convex grinded shit knife.

>>2818393
>pocket stone
Why?
A folding diamond sharpener from DMT or whoever is no more hassle to bring if you really need something to sharpen with, and can deal with any blade profile assuming you aren't retarded.

>>2818392
Impressive, so this is what profound mental retardation looks like.
If you need to deal with logs, you use a chainsaw and or axe, not your fucking toy knife.
You don't need a fucking huge bonfire to survive, not even in extreme winter conditions, you don't need to split huge logs with a knife, ever.
What even is this larp?

>>2824063
I Am Survival Man
Master of Bushcraft
I split log with Full Tang Survival Knife
Like a MAN
I have trained for YEARS with the masters of the art
I am Not afraid of any Zombie Apocalypse or Tranny Communist Uprising
I am Ready to face the Wrath of Nature.
You are not.

>>2824066
Thanks, you actually made me laugh irl with that one.

I no longer carry one, it's an ego thing I grew out of.

>>2815455 (OP)
not all knives are built the same. a "survival" knife worth its salt will outlive and outperform most other knife categories. this typically comes with a higher price tag, too. don't expect a cheap ass knife you got on amazon or walmart to retain its edge or be durable enough to withstand baton blows.

>>2824429
kwute

>>2815455 (OP)
Any knife is a survival knife. You seem to be asking the question of a camp knife specifically such as “camp holiday woodland camping”. Typically, these tasks will involve: 1. Processing wood for kindling, 2. Cutting twine, rope, and packaging, and 3. Food preparation. In the case of only using one knife, a well made “survival knife” will do fine. Something like an ESEE 6 or an SRK will be delicate enough to make a featherstick but large enough to chop veggies. Honestly, if you pick any fixed blade knife with a blade length between 4-6 inches and it’s not ridiculously thick or thin with a weird grind, you’ll be fine.

>>2815455 (OP)
It's a knife, bud. Stop overthinking it.
A sharp rock would do fine, sharpened steel it's optimal

>>2824506
it's a meme knife. it's good for crafting.

>>2824561
I kno...I was being sewious!

Are sheepsfoot blades good for anything other than opening packages?

is there anything similar to the benchmade altitude without being insanely overpriced? i got a chinese clone and everything about the knife is pretty nice aside from the shitty steel.

>>2824591
No, they are boxcutters/carpet knives without disposable blades.

>>2816465
regular cheapo knifes are great in the woods but you want to look at more like:
- SAK's and tiny pocket folders.
- cheapass general purpose bushcraft knives like: morakniv companion, morakniv companion spark, morakniv companion hd, morakniv robust, bahco wrecking knife, hultafors gk4, ganzo g806, marttiini condor timberjack, coldsteel srk compact and a few others, etc.
- budget puukkos and carvers. most of the traditional style cheap puukkos are the same blade blanks btw. marttini lynx is a popular one. cold steel finn bear's a sub $20 modernized one. idk who else does modern ones for like $10-20.
idk theres like 3 categories of knives good for different stuff in the woods and a bunch of piss cheap recommendations.

>>2816465
regular cheapo knifes are great in the woods but you want to look at more like:
- SAK's and tiny pocket folders.
- cheapass general purpose bushcraft knives like: morakniv companion, morakniv companion spark, morakniv companion hd, morakniv robust, bahco wrecking knife, hultafors gk4, ganzo g806, marttiini condor timberjack, coldsteel old srk and a few others, etc.
- budget puukkos and carvers. most of the traditional style cheap puukkos are the same blade blanks btw. marttini lynx is a popular one. cold steel finn bear's a sub $20 modernized one. idk who else does modern ones for like $10-20.
idk theres like 3 categories of knives good for different stuff in the woods and a bunch of piss cheap recommendations.

>>2819338
>ebin lowest bidder argument
they also have to meet basic specs. otherwise infantry would be equipped with dropshipped chinesium

>>2824591
whittling, woodcarving, or joinery. depends how deep you want to go.

>>2815455 (OP)
I have a buck 110 with a pocket clip and its been my all rounder for ages.
Survival knives are a gimmick category.
But the importance of any high quality knife cannot be understated. Its the oldest and most useful tool we have.

What is a good stainless steel "all plastic" knife?
Im done with that stupid shit of oiling carbon steel and maintining leather sheats.
I just want somenthing that can get wet and dont have to worry about it. Also, I dont like heavy/thick knifes, and I already own several moras, I just want somenthing nicer.
I saw the benchmade saddle mountain and it looks nice.
Do you guys can recommend me somenthing else?

>>2815455 (OP)
In disguise gear recommendation thread answer:
>Scandi grind
>Drop point
>3 - 6 Inch blade
>Full tang
>Steel that isnt too hard or too soft or too expensive ie; 1095 Carbon steel or O2 tool steel (anyone that says you need more is lying, anyone who says youll want more is rich)

>>2825580
>plastic
>stainless steel
>"I HATE FEELING POOR! I NEED SOMETHING OVER 20 DOLLARS TO MAKE ME FEEL GOOD OR SOMETHING!"
The answer is always Morakniv

What do you /out/ists think of multitools?
Was thinking about getting this one since it's on sale and looks pretty useful and non invasive for EDC while out on the trails and exploring

>>2826141
soldatenmesser 08 has served me extremely well. my only complaint is that the saw is marginally useful

>>2826141
Handy if you are doing other activities that are gear intensive fishing/biking/kayaking.
If you are just walking they are kind of pointless.

>>2826141
>What do you /out/ists think of multitools?
As EDC? Sure. Have one in my car and sometimes have one on my belt.
On the trail/while LARPing innawoods? Nah, I like to LARP with a fixed blade knife, a relatively large bladed one (>=5"/12.5cm).
Maybe when fishing a multitool would be somewhat useful.

>>2815455 (OP)
Backpacked for an entire month and didn’t use my bushcraft knife once. However what I did end up using almost daily was my opinel. #7.

Really the only thing I used a knife for was cutting cord and cutting sausage.

>>2826262
Yeah, most of the time a folding knife is enough for being /out/ specially if you are not doing bonfires.

>>2815461
>knives are for killing
Retard edgelord

>>2826141
SAKs are multitools. I bring a SAK on every camping trip. Pliers only when I go fishing.

are moras the thinkpad of knives

>>2820971
You can put your weed in there man!

>>2815458
how big is this thing
may as well get something machete esque for general purpose and whacking around and then a small one for minute tasks
i personally have a billhook

Knife threads must never die.

Would this be a good knife if I had to stab a bear?

What are your favorite bear stabbing knives?

If someone made a copy of the Ontario SP 42 gen ii in a non-shitty steel with a non-shitty heat treat, that would be perfect.

TOPS is best known for selling retarded mall ninja knife designs in cheap ass 1095 to retards for $200-$300 each. They're a shitty company. But their Earth Skills Knife looks like a very functional design, albeit in shitty 1095.

>esee
sell me on this compared to mora
i'm not a knife snob

>>2827283
They actually have some decent designs, simple and utilitarian, albeit slightly tacticool.
For example I really like the Brakimo (of which I have multiple 15€ chink counterfeits), or the Fieldcraft.
But >USD$200 for 1095, no matter how well heat treated it might be, is a bit of a modern take on highway robbery.

>>2827294
Don't get it. I've got both, and the only thing the esee is superior at is concealed carrying, due to the flat grip. Which is what I got it for, so it's alright, but it's massively overpriced.

Other than that, it sucks:
>flat grip
far less control than with the roundish mora grips
>hard grip
slippery when wet, unlike mora rubber. Of course, you can texture it, but a 100$ knife should be ready to use.
>edge
reasonably sharp, but a two-stage grind, with ~40° on the second stage. in other words, more of a splitter than a cutter. Sure, you can fix it - but again, 100$ knife.
>blade way too thick
heavy and takes more strength when cutting.
>full tang
only useful if you're to stupid to baton properly, but still want to try. On the other hand, it means a heavier knife and reflections even when sheathed once the paint wears off.
>not stainless
ferritic steels are superior in sharpness, that much is true. But with such a slab of iron, stainless would work just fine.

Without additional work (regrinding, texturing the handle), the esees are only good as splitting wedges and ombat knives. With some work, they make mid-tier survival knives. But every single Mora is going to be better straight out of the box.

>>2827318
aren't moras full tang?

>>2826264
What knife would you recommend if I intend to do bonfires?

>>2827322
Only the Garberg is full tang.
And a super fancy overpriced line "Ash Wood" that despite being made of "recycled stainless steel" cost over 130€ each.

>>2827386
Like, any camping knife.

>>2827399
Well yeah but I'm asking for suggestions based on which have worked best for you

>>2827401
I usually use a bk16.
But any 1095 steel, full tang knife will do the trick.

>>2827386
Honestly, you don't even need a knife to do bonfires. Pile small to big and dry to wet. Bonfires are big enough that if you can carry it it can go on the fire. I burn brush/slashpiles in all seasons except the driest ones, and I never need a knife, saw or axe for that. I just pick up the stuff cluttering the forest floor, throw it in a pile, and light a ball of small stuff near the bottom on the upwind side. Once it gets going, throw whatever you want on it. No cutting of any kind needed.

>>2827401
See: >>2827421

>>2827421
>forest floor
That shit is wet as fuck.

Also is easier tu cut a pair of dry branches and process with a saw and knife than walk for 2 hours looking for wood.

>>2827322
No, not completely. Morakniv sells the blades without grips, too, if you want to get an idea. They have narrow tangs going 70-80% through the grip. That's enough unless you want to use the knife as a prybar, or are to retarded to baton cleanly.
On the other hand, the Esees all have flat tangs, going 100% through the grip.

>>2827390
>>2827614
nice, i had my eye on the garberg but they've got a regular carbon steel on sale for around 30 bucks that i might pick up instead

>>2827592
I literally do it year round (except during red flag warnings) in the upper midwest and out west. If you live in a swamp or literal rainforest, and if you're shitty at making fires, you may have a slight problem. But if you're not an abject retard who can't make a fire almost anywhere like 100,000 years of humans before them, then yeah I guess I'd come up with an excuse and try to convince everyone else that my own deficiencies somehow applied to everyone else.

What a dumbass.

From the Rockies to Michigan in every condition I can get fire going in a leisurely 5 minutes of gathering material and keep it going well into the night with another 20-30 minutes of fuel gathering. The natives in the Amazon and Papua New Guinea rainforests do the same - and they don't even have Bics. You're just retarded.

>>2827282
Ontario make some nice stuff. I've got a smash-chopper from them and it's solid.

>>2826896
Coldsteel Bushman

>>2827283
I'm having a really hard time deciding if I like this or not
needs real wood for sure
good shape though

>>2827632
>30$
>for a mora
Dunno about burgerland prices, but anywhere in Europe (I'm in Germany, for example) you can buy the normal Moras for around 5-10€, and the carbon steel, laminated ones for around 15€. 30$ seems rather expensive, unless drumpfie put tariffs on them, I guess.

>>2827690
>30$ seems rather expensiv
Don't forget amerimutts earn $20 an hour just to flip burgers in a fast food place. The high salaries end up inflating the prices quite a bit.

>>2817972
>>2818339
This is the answer lmao, everyone's definition or requirements for a survival knife are different. Skinning/processing game/fish, chopping or sawing firewood, a built in compass or ferro rod, wrapped in paracord?

Picrel is all you need for real survival

>>2818610
I'm thinking small nata / mora combo for super lightweight
A nata does wood processing faster, can chop wood, and is only a little heavier
Currently testing huge nata (silky outback) + fold saw + mora comp hd for gigafat carry

>>2827949
The expression I like most here is, "the best survival knife is the one you actually fucking have on you"

It sounds douchey but it emphasizes that situational awareness and preparedness are more important than anything else. That and skills, general physical health, blah blah

>>2827950
forgot pic, big nata
for minimalist, small nata + mora hd

>>2827690
> but anywhere in Europe
Except maybe the places where you can’t buy a fork without the proper license.

>>2827690
mora knives are swedish, not american.
moraKNIV, that's swedish. mora is a swedish town iirc.

>>2827690
idk about you but my companion hd carbon was 23 euros excl. shipping, 5-10 seems too low. tho tax pressure is high ig in my cunt.

>>2827294
Esee is overpriced dogshit.
They use different sorts of brittle pig iron on "survival knives", just buy anything else really.
Their whole schtick is toughness, yet they don't use steels above average toughness, even when looking at toughness-edge retention balance.

>>2815458
Bro just get a tradesman if you want a beater. they are just over $20 online and they're V8 vanadium stainless and come sharp.

>>2827294
>>2827318
I actually really liked the sheath on the ESEE a lot, and would like to bring that up.
Nice and flat, can use it with or without the reversible clip on it. That makes it great to carry around if you don't have it on your belt, like in a boot, jacket pocket, or hip belt pockets on your pack. You have a bunch of options for carrying it, which I think is really great.
The blade is a little bit thicker and a little bit broader than the Mora (just personal preference, really), and I prefer the micarta grip over the Mora plastic grip.
I don't have the numbers, but an ESEE of comparable size certainly feels heavier, but by how much, I don't know.
Don't know that I can "sell you" on the ESEE over the Mora, but these are my notes, and I either use an ESEE 4 or Izula when I go out.

>>2820971
Twine, waterproof matches

>>2821526
>dull your knife
Geee...I wonder what a whetstone is for.

>>2827294
>sell me on this compared to mora
Feasible.

>i'm not a knife snob
You just upped the difficulty.

Being a "MANLY MAN tm" I'd prefer the ESEE (well, since you don't specify the model, I'm thinking the 4)

The Mora is really girly.
There, that's my argument.

They are different knives, highly dependent on your taste and budget.

ESEE is 1095 carbon steel, which is decent, it's thick, tacticool and pretty dependable, but at ~$200, fuck that.

Mora can be stainless, which might be good, but then again it's not exactly a top performing stainless, it's barely better than chink 5Cr15MoV. But hey, it's cheap (in my parts of Yurop, 10-25€ from the basic ones to the Heavy Duty), it's dependable enough, it's lightweight.

Heck, buy a chink counterfeit ESEE 4 for $20-30 and see if you like how it handles.

Since I like knives that look more "well built" than the Mora, preferably stainless, but my budget is (always) short, I ended up with a decent cheap chink 440C knife. (Brother F001 for ~25€)

>>2824066
>I split log with Full Tang Survival Knife
This though.
Put knife on end, saw a notch, use another log as a hammer and the knife splits the log.
But why the fuck would you ever need a massive fire anyway, only need a small fire to boil water and cook a small meal once or twice a day

>>2815455 (OP)
>>2815458

OP here
For anyone who thinks a survival knife is not needed.
Watch this for its multi use. British MOD knife.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d13idqfp0M0
Thing is when i made the thread I was asking opinions on how important anons think they are.
The type of wild camping I am doing I dont need one, but maybe next year when I do 4 long wild camps, 1 each season, i may need one for autumn and winter for logs.

>>2828428
>But why the fuck would you ever need a massive fire anyway

>need

>>2828463
SKEENWOKKERS.

Srsly if you don't air out your keens and get them dry they can get stanky, fast

>>2828487
It's true, he didn't make a fire, so his stanky keens attracted a skeenwokker and opinel-anon was never seen again.

>>2815455 (OP)
>>2824511
>Any knife is a survival knife. You seem to be asking the question of a camp knife specifically
This, and the knives on picrel were good enough for your grandpa. They'll do anything you need them to as long as you're not batonning wood like a retard.
>>2827985
This or a Mora are also good options

I just carry a Buck 110, personally.

>>2827413
>bk16
God damn, I was looking into getting this one but holy shit is it expensive.

>>2827421
Thanks for the suggestions anon, truly appreciated and noted.

Asking here instead of making a new knife thread, i want to take my Buck 110 into this century.
which one would you go with?

>>2829124
Brass bar, looks almost as good as brass stud, but more functional.

>>2829125
small or large? I worry the large would take up more space than "needed" but it looks nice

>>2829127
I find the large more aesthetically pleasing, don't think any of them would be obtrusive, my two cents.

>>2829124
None of those, because buck knives suck, and can easily be opened one-handed already. Just grab it by the blade with thumb and forefinger, and let the grip drop down.
Some of the chink knockoffs (mostly the ones sold in UK, for legal reasons...) have an aditional hook on the blade to prevent this, but that's easy to grind down.

But if you're gonna go with muh tacticool crap, get the stainless version. Combining different metals (brass= zinc and stainless = chrome in this case) will cause electrochemical oxidation the moment an electrolyte (=sweat) is involved. On the hinge, it's not so bad, since there's normally enough grease to avoid direct contact, but on this, it might cause problems. Assuming that you actually EDC the knife, of course - if it's a display piece, like most buck knives are nowadays, it won't matter.

Which Opinel should I get if I only intend to chop veggies and sausage and maybe process branches to make a bonfire?
Been looking at a nice 7 and 9 but idk if there's a considerable difference between those two since I've never had an opinel before

>>2829440
>maybe process branches to make a bonfire?
Probably not an Opinel in that case.
No direct experience with Opinels, but I would imagine that it would develop a lot of play with any moderately hard use.

>>2829440
Can't speak for it's use on branches, but my 8 is -just- short enough that I get annoyed keeping food scraps and liquid out of the lock. I'd try the 9. Maybe I'm just retarded though.

>>2829440
7 is food only for me, it's quite small and can definitely break if abused
Get a 9 or 10, don't know if there's a big difference in size, I have a 10 that I use for /out/ stuff

>>2829440
for me no.8 is the sweet spot size, but, it is entirely dependent on the side of your hand imo

>>2815455 (OP)
extremely important

>>2829454
>>2829456
>>2829458
>>2829474
Got a 9 since it was, for some reason, cheaper than an 8. Looks really cool and just realized this morning that one of my favorite /out/ cooking channels (vek0) uses a 9, so it's oughtta serve me well.

>>2827685
that's a guandao

>>2829510
vek0 is based, ive been looking for something similar to his "root axe" for a long time

>>2829593
He really is, or used to be at least, before the guy stopped posting and privated like 90% of his videos for whatever reason
There's another channel called Incognito kitchen or some shit that is pretty obviously vek0 himself but rebranded and with a bit more production to his videos. And if it ain't him it's an exact copycat of his style.

>>2827685
>Coldsteel
K e k

>>2829454
This. Not because it'll develop play (it won#t, I've even batoned with mine a few times), but because the blades are to brittle. They'll chip. Though once it's been chipped anyways, and you've had to grind it down to a convex bevel bcs you're to retarded for a flat grind (or is that just me?), you can use it for splitting branches alright.
I'd say get the smallest that'll fit your hand right, and a proper knife for rough work.

>>2829511
No, it's a fauchard.

>>2829727
It's a glaive.

is the Leatherman signal actually good? seems a bit like a gimmick

got one of these it's so cute

opinions on the kukri?

>>2830250
It's a fighting knife, so would be sub-optimal in outdoor applications.

>>2830250
i have the Condor HD kukri, its thick as fuck, fun to bring on casual overnights with friends, decently capable for a kukri for more woody materials, good spatula for the grill, but its a complete meme

>>2826215
the serrations on the main blade suck, and are unnecessary.

>>2830384
good for bread

>>2815474
Bepis bro could you please tell me what knife is this?

>>2825580
Benchmade anonimus. I love it, use it all the time working in the bush. Don't mind the seething poorfags

Half-decent small bushcraft knife wooden handle for 50-60£€$?

>>2830384
i agree, they should've swapped the saw for a serrated knife. the saw is so small it can only cut things that are easily snapped by hand.

>>2815456
Opinel no.9 and BPS Bushmate 2.0 or Finn lite for me. desu never needed anything more than that

>>2830825
Wrong. The saw is really handy.
The bottle opener / prybar should have been swapped for a serrated blade like on the hunter.
Or they should make a one hand opening version of the hunter, where they replace the corkscrew with a screwdriver.

>>2830890
describe in detail one time the saw was necessary

>>2827949
>>2827951
a survival knife is any knife that can do it all and withstand heavy use. unfortunately the term has been diluted by marketing. most knives marketed for 'survival' would prove to be unreliable garbage in a survival situation.
>>2830275
not true. because of the kukri's unique shape it is able to easily clear brush, and has historically been proven to fulfill this purpose. the curve grants more leverage.
>>2830890
SAKs were obsoleted the moment tim leatherman sold his first multitool

>>2831547
>SAKs were obsoleted the moment tim leatherman sold his first multitool
True, but doesn't matter, as SAKs have soul, multi tools do not.

>>2831547
>because of the kukri's unique shape it is able to easily clear brush
try it, and make a vido. It doesn't work nearly as well as a straight machete or one that's only curved near the tip.

>>2831547
>historically been proven to fulfill this purpose
Bullshit. Show me a landscaping crew, or trail clearing crew with kukris, or a garden supply store that sells kukri blades for clearing brush.

Alan Kay proved the utility of the kukri for all time on camera

>>2821525
Reiff is good shit
Someone already posted the best normal production alternative the White River Knives Ursus 45
Only better you're really gonna get from there
Fuck it money, Carothers Performance Knives FK2, maybe BFK
More of a budget, Volunteer Knife and Tool Model 4.5 Field Knife
Both have low temper heat treat protocols for CPM 3V that's an improvement on the standard heat treat

>>2831715
Alan Kay is a complete goober, yea, he was somewhat interesting on the show, but if you have seen any youtube video where he makes an appearance, it is blindingly clear

>>2827390
Garberg mentioned!
People hate it because it's $90.

>>2830250
Weird shit from India, no thanks.

>>2831547
Wrong. The tools on a leatherman are smaller for a comparable weight.

>>2832680
smaller but equally as functional. quality steel makes all the difference. you shouldn't be concerned about weight unless you're a woman.

two knives, one for cleaning and one for fucking around

>>2815455 (OP)
I don't have a lot of experience but I own two huge ass knives because they're cool sword like shit. My knives are cool and that's OK.
Hatchet + small knife make for a 150-200 grams difference which shouldn't matter in a Le SuRvIvAl scenario and vastly superior in just about every situation unless you need to trailblaze in the jungle or something where you want a machete.
The most intelligently designed huge knives have a way of changing grip and doing fine work or chopping. A hatchet is so ridiculously better than a knife at chopping it's insulting to even compare them. A small knife will be more comfortable at small knife shit.
I hate to say it because this is cheap ass shit but I'd take a fiskars x7 hatchet and that mora neck knife, I always forget what it's called even though I love it. It's tiny but it just werks and it's comfortable. Both weigh as much as big knife or little more. If mora is too cheap then any decent 3" knife is the same as long as you have a hatchet. Honestly if you have a hatchet you don't even need a knife. Hatchets are king

>>2815455 (OP)
Never had one. I just use an axe for wood and normal knife for food

Whestone recommendations?
Looking for something I can carry around with the knife. Brand, not grit.

Also knife steel recommendations? Im using a 1095 with a carbon coating right now but am thinking of branching out.

>>2836367
like a decade ago the gold standard were fällkniven, not sure if that is true anymore

>>2815455 (OP)
Zero (0). I have a stanley knife lately bc I found it before anyone asks.

>>2828086
geee... I wonder what a shovel is for

>>2836658
Shovels are for digging

>>2836671
Depends on the shovel. Diggin' or movin' or cuttin'.

>>2836367
I was recommended this >>2836383 in a knife shop couple years ago when replacing a lost knife, you can just forget it in your pocket until you need it, it's great for /out/ imo, also pretty cheap

>>2836673
Odd, I'm ESL but if I go with the translations as I know them then shovels are for moving, spades for digging, some forks are for digging too but most for moving.
But idk about a shovel (or even spade for that matter) with the explicit primary purpose of cutting.
I mean sure they do all cut during use, but that's peripheral to their actual purpose.

>>2836719
I used one in landscaping.

>>2815455 (OP)
>How important do you think a survival knife is?
Not important. A reliably made and sharp knife is important if you need it (like someone mentioned, if you're processing game - which the grand people in this thread are most assuredly not). Most of you apparently need to learn what a hatchet is - or maybe not. But again, all a moot point because this thread, like every other thread, is apparently just a means to post photos and ask if it's okay.

>>2826262
Jeezus Cripes where did you get an Andy Six survival log?

whats a good knife for girls

>>2838595
polly pocket knife

>>2838595
A fixed blade dagger with a dildo sheath

>>2815455 (OP)
>widely reguarded as the best survival manual book to read
>claims that any tools you can take with you to survive are "bonuses"
>claims knives are the best bonus tools to have
>claims to carry one everyday

>>2838610
and the dagger goes through the urethra

1. make kindling, strike ferro rod and create a fire.
2. can be use to build shelter. so strong enough to baton or wack larger pieces of wood
3. can be process fish and field dress game
this is what surviving is. a survival knife should be able to do all this.

Redpill me on glock knives, i heard they're a great deal

>>2838676
they are spring steel 55HRC. they heat treat it to a soft steel. where they are designed they are designed to never break. but they will dull super eays due to the lower HRC. its whatever for a first fixed blade, but its hardly the beast people pretend it is. I wouldnt buy one, but then again i can afford outdoor knives that cost 100ish bucks. like a 1095 steel at 58HRC tends to be the market standard of a good steel for outdoors that will hold a decent edge.

>>2838676
>Redpill me on glock knives, i heard they're a great deal
About the same shit quality as a ESEE at 1/6 of the price.

>>2838771
>>2838651
in this book it states
>your knive shall be sharp AT ALL TIMES
hows that glock knife you own?

58HRC is worth the 2x-3x price tag since you are getting 2x-3x edge retention from 55HRC. nuff said. how do you sleep at night knowing that your knife will make 10 cuts then dull like a butterknife in the field?

I don't use one. I have a Victorinox Compact that does everything I need, and if I need something more robust while camping, I'll use my Small Forest Axe

>>2838839
What happens when you go to fillet a fish do you have a dedicated filet knife? What about skinning do you have one of those utility knife ones with the replacable razor blades?

>>2838816
What about this, it's $20

>>2838840
I don't bring fishing gear camping, but if I had to, my victorinox would work just fine. I keep it razor sharp. My hatchet is also razor sharp.

>>2838841
its an ok entry level knife. there are better knives on the market. like the morakniv garberg. i have one in my to go bag. its a better design. its ok to get an entry level knife if thats all you can afford, but its like a first car. its going to work a to b, but its going to be kinda crappy. 100 bucks can get you so many good outdoor knives. even the garberg. thats a real nice outdoor knife.