Okay let's settle this once and for all. Which one is all around better?

state or national park? i imagine it wouldn't be hard to throw out Idaho out of the equation

Yellowstone is my favorite place in the world so it's Wyoming for me. The Wind River range is great too, Tetons, Bighorns, Snowy range are cool. Haven't spent much time in the Absarokas, but that's probably the most /out/ place in the lower 48, pure wilderness and grizzly bears.

>>2824780
what makes absaroka the most /out/ place, first time hearing of it, ive been around a bit of the rockys, yellowstone, and glacier

>>2824785
it's just the wildest place, least infrastructure, fewest people, furthest spots from any roads

>>2824777 (OP)
For me it's Wyoming. It's got a mix of everything. It's like Colorado but without the peak bagging autism, and the ranges have much cooler basin and allies.
I haven't spent any time in Northern Idaho (north of Craters), but I found a lot of Southern Idaho to be very boring save for a few region like Twin Falls with the Gorge and SE Idaho.
Montana was an absolute snorefest for me east of Glacier, probably my fault for going through the northern reservation land rather than going south more. Glaciers and west of that / down through to Yellowstone was great tho.

>>2824802
Good thing about Wyoming is it’s so fucking windy and cold in the winters that Californians stay out. Not sure if it’ll stay that way though

>>2824865
With the amount of tourism Jackson gets for Tetons and Yellowstone idk if it matters. It's basically a cestpool the moment snow clears.

Ranked from worst to first
>4 Colorado
A non-starter. It’s just so pozzed and faggy. If this were thirty or whatever years ago then sure, but as of today is full of my very least favorite type of outdoors enthusiasts. Denver is disqualifying in and of itself. It’s not bad, but really when factor in everything its like in the same tier as Wisconsin & New Hampshire, that’s how much the people there ruin it.
MASSIVE POWER GAP
>3 Wyoming
This probably will prove controversial, but it’s not meant as a slag. What separates it from ID & MT is its lack of good /out/ towns, basically only Riverton is appealing, and I’m really stretching when I extol the virtues of Riverton WY. Also this is the heartland of the NOLSfag, which is not as bad as the conspicuous consooomer REI Coloradofag…but it’s pretty close. Cheyenne is basically Colorado now too. The weather is genuinely shitty and not in a fun way. Still man, its overall outstanding.
>2 Idaho
It was close. Boise getting some its character back and the exodus of Californians in the last few years is really, really good. It was the first state to hold the line. I’m a bush pilot, and aside from Alaska this is the best bush flying in the entire world. Very close to #1 for me.
>1 Montana
You’re just not beating it. It’s a juggernaut for a reason. Of all the cities in all these states my top five (perhaps even more than that) are all in Montana. There’s no better protected land in the country than the Bob. People sleep on Eastern Montana, but the Missouri breaks are all time spots as well. I just don’t think anywhere can quite beat Montana if I’m being totally honest.

>>2824875
why single out new hampshire and wisconsin? what's particularly bad about those two?

>>2824882
They’re not bad at all, but normally those states shouldn’t really be competing with somewhere like Colorado. That’s how bad Coloradans are.

>>2824875
Didn't one of the NF in Montana do a land swap this year that completely landlocked portions of what used to backcountry trails?

>>2824875
>/out/ towns
oxymoron

anyway I actually like Colorado exactly because it's so "pozzed", I don't know what this word means or if I'm using it correctly, but basically when I'm out in Idaho, Montana or Wyoming I'm constantly wary of meeting faggot ass locals who don't want you there and I'm worried I'll be come back to my car to find it scratched or my tires slashed or something (especially since I have Colorado plates and I heard they don't like that, especially in Wyoming), I also am much more careful about checking maps beforehand for possible private property because I don't want to meet these people at all. And there's still a surprising amount of private property in these places, it's constantly an issue and changing my plans. In Colorado I just find a trailhead and fuck off into the woods, don't even check the parcel maps beforehand, any private property owners probably don't care about hikers, but it's still easy to get away from people just don't do the most popular alltrails
Anyway, I'd still vote for Wyoming because it has the most spectacular places to me. Colorado is a solid second though, very beautiful and surprising diversity for a state usually only known for mountains.

>>2824891
>I actually like Colorado exactly because it's so "pozzed"
>since I have Colorado plates

>>2824892
I never said I wasn't biased. I also like California for /out/ stuff by the way. Incredible diversity
Look, we all have different /out/ priorities, I want to be in the wilderness and not meet faggots like you who will tell me to fuck off back to Colorado. Fortunately it seems your priority is hanging out in towns, so we shouldn't have any issues I guess, only time I ever visit towns is for gas or groceries.

>>2824893
and (You) should fuck off back to Colorado. Stay in your fucking shitty state.

>>2824893
I've been all over Wyoming. Not once while out on trails has anyone bothered me let alone get pissy over where i'm from.

anyway, enough talking to that fucking faggot. Honestly ID, MT, and WY have their bad parts (southern for ID, eastern for MT, and eastern for WY as well) meanwhile there's a lot of good places in each state to pretty much equal out.
ID = MT = WY >>>>>>>>> shit > OR > UT > CO > WA > CA

>>2824891
finally someone with some common sense that doesn't give a fuck about politics
basedboys are also less likely to try to fight or hit on my gf or some shit
Colorado is the best of both worlds. I've just become more careless and degen in my old age but I can't care that much when I'll be come in 40 years an it won't matter.

>>2824898
>Politics list
You're dumb

>>2824895
hasn't happened to me personally but I have heard stories. I'm sure it's unlikely but it's something I'm wary of which is annoying. But I wasn't lying about facing issues with private property, much of Wyoming is a patchwork of public and private land. I was just in mostly central Wyoming a couple weeks ago exploring some little known places (to name a few: Fremont Canyon, Granite Mountains, the Eastern Wind River, Clark's Fork Canyon, Devil's Leap, Bighorn Canyon) and had to deal with private property with almost everything I wanted to do, had to abandon a couple plans even.
Anyway, as I said I still really like Wyoming. Montana is cool too. Idaho less so.
including other states Utah, California, Wyoming, Arizona and Colorado are my top 5. Pretty sure Alaska would be top 5 but I've never been

>>2824891
>acts like a giant faggot everywhere he goes
>people constantly hate on him, key his car, tell him to go fuck himself
>goes back to his state full of other giant faggots
>gets along fine
Works for me

>>2824902
kill yourself.

>>2824911
kek retard

>>2824885
it was a swap- swap out easy access for a much longer access. didnt block it entirely

>>2824875
>the exodus of Californians in the last few years is really, really good.
Wait. They’re leaving???? Where are they going instead? Is the population gonna stop booming then?

>>2825165
>Where are they going instead?
Brother. They've been going in droves to Colorado, Utah, Idaho, Washington, and Oregon for the better part of a decade. There's a reason Colorado is a blue state.

>>2825166
It's to spread civilization to the savages.

>>2825261
Honestly other than the immigration thing which is directly harmful I really like what Colorado has done.

It really comes down to whether you like glaciers or deserts more

>>2824777 (OP)
Western states:
1. Oregon
2. Washington
3. Utah
4. California
5. Wyoming
6. Arizona
Power gap
7. Colorado
8. Montana
9. New Mexico
10. Idaho

>>2824777 (OP)
I live in CO so I'll explain what makes it shit briefly as I can for the average person
>"up and coming tech hub"
>sanctuary city
>Pro immigrant / refugee senate / Governor / Denver Mayor
We're already California Lite with Denver becoming a price radiation zone. Almost no one can live and work in the mountains either.

Now if you have 100k and want to buy land and park a trailer / shed / cabin around Hartsel or Fairfield and take a farming job, you should be good.

>>2824901
>finally someone with some common sense that doesn't give a fuck about politics
Politics means 2 bedrooms apartments costing $1400 minimum in the shittiest neighborhoods with no in-unit washer and dryer. As opposed to any other of the states where the same price gets you a house rental.

But you did mention your age, so if you're already set up with a house you're good to go and that's not exactly a concern.

Wyoming is mostly flat, empty and ugly, so thats out. There are some nice spots but it's a small percentage of the state.
Colorado has the most infrastructure for outdoors activities and it probably has the most varied nature. It also doesn't have brown bears which is nice. It is, however, crowded in a lot of spots.
Idaho is awesome and has some of the most beautiful places in the US but it's very very rural and not very accessible, at least comparatively.
Montana suffers from the same issue as Wyoming but not nearly as bad. The western half of the state is amazing.

>>2826367
>Wyoming is mostly flat, empty and ugly, so thats out. There are some nice spots but it's a small percentage of the state.
It's really not. I've now been to almost all of wyoming save for around Cody, and down in the SE. Saying it's mostly flat, empty and ugly is just wrong and malicious almost as if you're trying to keep someone out.

Also to say Montana is not as bad as Wyoming is just delusion. Yes the western side is great, but the entire eastern side is a plateau with the only remotely cool thing being around the Missouri break which pales in comparison to what Wyoming has in it's lower elevation spots. The missouri plateau is like an easy 60-70% of Montana's land mass.

>>2826378
>around the Missouri break which pales in comparison to what Wyoming has
no way. the Breaks are the best elk hunting in the country

>>2826461
its god damn beautiful out there if you have eyes to see it

>>2826462

>>2826378
I-80 in Wyoming was as if I was on Mars

Nebraska was literally a relief, lol

>>2826322
West Slope reporting in

Colorado is a perfect empty wilderness with views as good as anything in Arizona or Montana

If this is not your opinion of Colorado, it's because you live in the gay part, the east slope.

I could walk in a straight line in any direction from my house and die in an infinite wilderness

>>2825165
Most are here in Oregon spreading aids

>>2824777 (OP)
Colorado is the shining example of what we must never allow to happen to the other great out states. Californians and dude bro weed smoker transplants typically hate cold weather but I would legitimately be in favor of outlawing skiing and snow boarding to get rid of those motherfucking second home owners and adding a 500% property tax for anyone that isn’t a year round resident. Montana benefits from its horizontal geography. Miles City all the way to Missoula give you a huge range of outdoor options. They have already become the next target. Idaho set the fucking standard in telling the yuppies to fuck off and die. The mountains are very coniferous and dull by comparison to Colorado imo but still incredibly based place. Wyoming is a whole different world though. Parts of it are so desolate that fucking up and missing a gas station in April can potentially be life threatening. Ban EV charging stations please for the love of Christ.
>>2824875
>Riverton
I’m very hesitant to say it but I fucking love bird hunting around Thermopolis. The terrain out there is just fucking weird. It’s seems like it’s somehow uphill every direction you go.

>>2824875
Lander is the heart of the NOLSfag, and yes, it is noticeable if you go to Lander. Nobody goes up to Riverton because most people, like you, are afraid of it. I've lived in both towns.

OP here. Just realized it's probably Nevada and Oregon.

>>2824777 (OP)
i have never been to america in my life but i choose idaho

>>2826495
Get real, Oregon had its own aids growing from Portland.

>>2826505
>Idaho set the fucking standard in telling the yuppies to fuck off and die.
Are they bullying Californians out of the state or something?

>>2826921
When I lived in Wyoming they did that. I lived in a very rural area though, no idea what the cities are like.

>>2824777 (OP)
All are shit because they're too cold

>>2827187
Not only that, but they get so much snow that it'll shut down roads for the season and completely block off /out/ areas. There's only so much snowshoeing and winter fun that you can do before the hassle of snow starts to wear on you.

>>2824777 (OP)
Utah

>>2827227
Counterpoint: Mormons.

>>2826615
This. But it really depends on what part of each state. Like the western Colorado slope bro alluded to. Yeah your state politics is ass but you have to ask how much it effects you and long term it will probably drive people out like California.
I've determined you need factors that keep normals out whether its too much rain, too much snow, too remote, etcetera. This isn't even hippie boomers but all boomers including wingnut right boomers cause they'll gentrify too.
Eastern and Southern Oregon are hidden gems too in areas also for this reason. The i5 corridor is meth highway but there's great spots in the coastal and cascade mountain ranges.
I'd add N Idaho, Montana outside liberal towns albeit west is the pretty area. Some places in Eastern Washington.

>>2827366
It ain’t just boomers that are gentrifying. Millennials with remote tech jobs also move wherever they want

>>2827465
People talk about this all the time but it's not really a thing. Maybe during COVID it happened, but those jobs now are just outsourced to dozens of Indians and the job completely ceases to exist in the US.

>>2827468
I will vote for the party that stops this and immigration NOT MATTER what else they support.

>>2824778
Yep, nothing there at all. Don’t bother visiting. In fact forget Idaho even exists.

>>2824891
>it's still easy to get away from people just don't do the most popular alltrails

>encounter random person on trail
>”hey”
>”hi”
>encounter ends
>thats 99% of all trail conversations
Are people from Colorado different? Like, do they have gay anal in the middle of the trail and scream at other hikers that Trump is literally Hitler?

But yeah, if people are surprised by crowded hiking trails then they’re new.

>>2824777 (OP)
>mogs all the states listed

>>2828164
>mogs all the states
>can't hike in it during summer due to extreme heat

>>2828202
Hush. We don't mention that part.

>>2828164
>no glaciers
>very little high alpine
>even less alpine tundra
>less red rock desert than utah
>highest population
I guess they have some fossilized wood

>>2828258
ima get my popcorn. brb
>inb4 az sperg spews a 1000different biomes spiel

>>2828164
It's cool but not the best
>>2828259
A lot of people here don't seem to realize that every western state has microclimates. Doesn't mean they have nearly that many biomes kek

>>2828202
While I don't agree with Arizona mogging those other states, your response is completely incorrect

>>2828374
You're right. It's more like, can't hike 6-7 months out of the year due to extreme heat.
>I was in Arizona twice this year

>>2828377
>going to a place and still being this wrong about it
I suspect that you don't really /out/ very much

>>2828381
My job is /out/. Unfortunately for you, I go /out/ more than 99% of this board.

>>2828382
does your employer know how confused you are?

>>2828308
It is one of the best though. Alaska is better but still.
>>2828383
NTA but that's a terrible cope.

>>2824777 (OP)
Yellowstone is the GOAT
Tetons only exist to get to Yellowstone
Glacier is a piece of shit and Canada are cocksuckers
Rocky Mountain is pretty based but since I can go there after work and be back by 9pm it lacks being special

>>2828442
You're forgetting some parks there, bud.

>>2825165
Texas

This board is cucked, isn't it.

>>2828439
>NTA but that's a terrible cope.
you've misused the word "cope". That anon claims to have an /out/ job, but also necessarily doesn't realize that vast portions of Arizona are at elevation and thus it's comically inaccurate to claim that you can't hike there due to extreme heat. This very basic fact has also apparently eluded you. That's such a dumb mistake that I don't believe "NTA"

>>2828442
>Tetons only exist to get to Yellowstone

>>2828476
I've only been through the state once and it was the Tucson area and even I know this. Protip for all confused anons: look at maps and watch videos to see what a place is like if you haven't been

>>2828164
California 2.0

>>2828459
Well yeah no shit I live here and they’re everywhere. But some recent stats have shown that Idaho is among the top 3 fastest growing

>>2828461
>keanureevesjohnwickyeah.jpg

>>2828557
Explain how

>>2828258
Arizona has more forest area, more desert area, more canyons, more extreme climate transition zones (Bwh to Et in 51 miles), and more private and public land than Utah. In the entire USA, the world record confirmed Elks (by score, and by per capita) are from Arizona and Utah. After big winter snowstorms (30-100 inches in 72 hours, on average 1-3 such events every winter) it is possible to backcountry snowmobile for 250-300 miles one way in Arizona on mostly flat terrain entirely above 6,400 ft ASL. Also pro-tip, Arizona and Utah are full and you cannot afford it anyways.

Best among the OP pic. Montana, but it is also full and you cannot afford it anyway as well.

>>2828846
I'll just live in bumfuck nowhere Kansas and fly out to these places occasionally.

>>2826378
>almost as if you're trying to keep someone out
Even this thread has examples of people who should be kept out.

>>2826461
>>2826462
>>2826463
kino.

>>2828561
IYKYK

all 3 ARE FULL OF TRASH that like to act like their "natives" while throwing trash on the ground driving over wild life supporting israel and sucking j@w cock so much while saying they are free. The same can be said about the entire country

T - someone who traveled all 3 and lived in all 3

just like the rest of the USA its stupid idiots who think they are free while being cultureless dumb idiots