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Just ordered the North Face Stormbreak 2. What tent are you rocking? What do you love and hate about it? What tent do you want?

>>2827319 (OP)
I have a Hilleberg akto and jannu. I wish the akto was freestanding like the jannu and that the jannu was lighter. So I'd like a light freestanding tent and doesn't cost a fortune, like the durston x dome.

Hilleberg are make great robust tents, but the prices are ridiculous. They've basically doubled in price since I bought mine.

>>2827320
It really is a shame how much some of these tents can cost. I was looking at some from durston and big agnes but I'm not gonna spend 500 more to save a lb or 2. Thank you for your input. I'll check out the tents you mentioned

Dont judge me because I'm poor.

>>2827348
I used to rock that exact method when I was younger. I have fond memories of it

>>2827319 (OP)
Bro did you not google “north face stormbreak 2 reviews” before buying? Things fall apart constantly and are barely water resistant. It’s the exact same as REIslop.

>>2827348
dad used to take me on these week long fishing trips across the country when i was little
we had this 70s style heavy canvas tent that we had to cover with hardware store tarp, sometimes we ditched the tent and just made the tarp into a tent because it was cooler and dry
also made many saunas from that same thing and it worked like a charm

i like your funny blue tent anon

>>2827319 (OP)
a tarp, two sheer lashing and a ridge pole
/thread

of a tripod lashing and make a tp tent

>>2827378
Let's see a pic!
>>2827367
What beautiful memories. Only reason I'm going to a tent now days is cuz of the damn bugs
>>2827357
From my research it's one of the most durable tents for the price. What propaganda are you reading? I just finished the WCT and used a Marmot 3 person, saw a solo hiker using a StormBreak 1 and got curious.

x-mid 2person, i dont understand how trekking poles work and i'm usually too tired to think so i bought a x-mid. Very nice, no complaints other than if you're tall you get inner mesh if you sleep toward the far corners. also have a lanshan 1p that i dont really use. It was waterproof though. In college we used rei tent 3p tents and msr hubba hubbas. also great.

REI Camp Dome 2. Bought it maybe 15 years ago and I've never used it. I haven't even slept in it. It's still in like-new condition.

I have a Lite Fighter tent that I managed to snag off the books, best tent I've had, used in many field ops and on personal backpacking trips.
In heavier rain environments Ive had better experiences using a Walmart hammock, poncho / tarp and sleeping in a waterproof bivy sack. I recently invested in a Hennessy Hammock and it's been pretty killer. It's retard proof to the point where I set it up completely blind in a light restricted environment, and once more under nods.

>>2827319 (OP)
xunshang flames creed 1. I keep looking for reasons to upgrade but it just has always worked and its pretty light. I've had it for 5 years and idk man it just works, and its held up great. but if i had to just get the best it'd probably be the xmid from durston, maybe when my tent shows a flaw but i doubt it will as its been put through the shitter, but alas i suppose i wish it was bigger, but then again its lighter smaller so yea, its incredible peace of mind to have trust in something

>>2827480
forgot pic.

Tarptent stratosphire 2, only complaint is they stitch it together in China now, luckily I got one before bug chinks started sewing them. I prefer my solong 6 made in America

>>2827431
I'm gonna pretend that the reason I didn't get a durston is because I'm 6'4 , rather than just being a cheap bastard... yeah hubba hubbas seem cool too. Super pricy !
>>2827432
How come you haven't used it? Just no interest or do you cowboy camp?
>>2827441
This one is really cool. Are you military or what kinda stuff are you using it with? Sounds like you get got cool stories. I'm here to hear them

I got a durston x-dome 1+ and during my first trip it was so windy it collapsed

Lot of people falling for the first shit they find when they google “good budget tent”.

REI is no longer a quality big box and should be considered an outdoors “fashion” store and not an outdoors store. When your half domes rip, because they will, you’ll say “hey at least I paid for membership and its been less than a year, I can get my money back yay!” No you cannot. they will find a way to israel you.


Durstons are quite literally paid shill tents. As in they are given out for free to almost every YT er to sponsor, AND the durston owner is active on the reddit backpack/camping forums with full knowledge and cooperation of mods. Of course people will say 600 dollar tents are great when they’re told to by their sponsors. Please do not spend that much.
For the love of fuck, guys, at least google Naturehike. Chinese people make the exact same name tents you’re buying. You’re paying 300 dollars extra for a logo.

I mean fuck someone said hubba hubba? I JUST bought the mongar 2 UL, the same design as the hubba WITH more mesh and more features AND better silnylon materials than equivalent 2P tents. for only 200 and some change. come on anons

>>2827811
same design*

>>2827811
>change upset that no one will buy his slop anymore
PCT, CDT, and AT trail stats all speak for themselves as to what brands are worth it and your ching chong slop is not it.

half dome fag here, craigslisted it about 10 years ago. i like that it's fast to pitch and decamp, has kept dry through lots of monsoon rains and hail, and the pockets. wish it was lighter and didn't have the logos

>>2827800
Lite Fighter guy here, I'm military. Going to the field is about as /out/ as it gets sometimes. I've been around a lot, from the eastern & southern US, Spain, France, Germany, Eastern Europe, Philippines & other Pacific Islands, and the jungles in south & central America.
The only time my tent has ever failed me is in a primary jungle environment. Quite literally it'll go from quiet, to earthquake levels of downpour rain. I quite literally got washed out of my tent from the ground getting washed out from under me.
Other than that, I've woken up half deep in snow before and have been completely fine. If you're somewhere where you can't stake in, like I've been set up in an old MiG bunker before, and had to deal with helicopter rotor wash, it keeps itself in place. It has a rainfly for your gear, works great in every other environment.

>>2827813
I am not chinese and also name brands are the definition of slop and ALSO not chinese AND ALSO IM TRYING TO HELP but you’re a retard so I hope you enjoy your tent thats all i will say

>>2827811
Yes, just pay these Chinese knock offs. It's cheap when you can just massproduce stolen designs in china and don't have to do any r&d and testing of your own. Stupid cunt.

>>2827912
>stolen designs

WON’T SOMEONE PLLEEEEEASE THINK OF MUH AMERICAN CORPO EXECUTIVES? It’s morally wrong, I NEED to pay more because I don’t want to STEAL!

Also, as I already said, your ostensibly quality tested tents are made in the SAME CHINESE AND TAIWANESE FACTORIES. They are the SAME.

Stupid cunt.

I've got the MSR Elixir 2.
Nothing much to compare it to, since the last tents I've used, I used over 20 years ago, at which point they were easily 20+ years old - We're talking canvas cloth and thick poles. Things have certainly shaped up since then.
Suppose the MSR Hubba Hubba 2 is lighter, and maybe I've been lucky to not have the seams fail, like I've seen some complain about. I like it well enough, but I gather it'd be hard to dislike a tent, since it means you got a place to stay the night and get out of the rain.
Easy to pitch, plenty of space (easily fit two big dudes, no homo, and a dog), nice little pockets to stash my stuff in, and nice big vestibules.
Bought it for a trip where I was told I'd need a tent. Out of all the things I brought, the tent was the only thing I didn't need, but at least I had a decent tent, which gave me an excuse to go on longer trips out. Haven't tested it under any seriously strenuous conditions, but it does keep regular rain out.
It's hard to justify buying another tent when I already have a perfectly serviceable one, but the thought of a very light 1-man tent like the Durston X-Mid 1 does tickle my fancy.

>>2827942
Based anon mating pressing his femboy innawoods while his dog watches

>>2827926
You complain about durston, it's not a large corporations and you even say the owner is active on forums. You call it shilling when the owner is interacting with users to get feedback and improve the design... And any business is trying to make a profit or else they wouldn't be able to expand or they'd go bankrupt.
Corporations cutting corners on quality and trying to squeeze out as much profit a possible certainly deserve criticism and boycott.

>>2827811
>Lot of people falling for the first shit they find when they google “good budget tent”.
my well off best friend sometimes comes with me /out/ and he has this shittiest chinese tent imaginable and its laugh riot every single time especially during heavy winter
hes in his 40s too and his dad taught him all the ropes same as me because we grew up outside any city influences, well off because he has 3 children and owns a house

point beign this dude is so stingy that he would rather die than put more than 100 euros on something like a tent even if he knows better and has constant use for one

>>2827319 (OP)
I only have slingfin tents now.

>>2827800
I never had the opportunity due to lack of transportation to camping grounds. Now I have a license and a car so now my only issue is money for gas. I set up my tent in my backyard the other day just to try out all my equipment. It went pretty good, learned a lot of what works and what doesn't work. I need an accordion pad, a larger sleeping pad, and I'm going to get a down quilt instead of using my mummy sleeping bag.

>>2827480
>>2827481
Is the low height not a issue?

I am 6'1" 250 lbs. I tried lying in a 1 man tent. My arms were touching the sides, and my feet would touch the sides when I wasn't perfectly positioned. I was told to look into 1 man XL tents or a 2 man tent. I'm looking for something to take in fishing trips or some unrealized future need. I can get good deals on primo tents through work. Can you give me some pointers in the hunt for a tent?

Will a tent fit in a 42" gun bag? I got this thing as a gift and it's just collected dust.

>>2828686
hnnnnnnnnnng... that entirely depends on the tent anon

>>2828686
Hang it off

Recs on a budget friendly 4 person with a good amount of headroom? I don't have a lot to spend but I'm taking my wife out camping - it's her first time and I want her to be comfy.

>>2828739
>it's her first time and I want her to be comfy.

Lol

>>2828739
There's not alot "comfy" for a woman camping unless you have a big fuckoff trailer.
>>2828686
Sell it. Tents come with bags already
>>2828636
Get the Stormbreak 2. I tested it out last night. I'm 6'4. It's a great tent for a big guy, or possibly 2 tiny people. Got it for 200$ canadian on sale.
>>2828609
Makes sense. Glad you can get out. The accordion pad is have is from Walmart and it's lasted literal hundreds of km of hiking and dozens of sleeps.

>>2827805
RIP
>>2827811
I went with The North Face because of their warranty. Was gonna do a Big Agnes but can't beat TNF warranty.
>>2827860
Gotta appreciate the rainproofing!
>>2827875
These sound like some wicked adventures. You are a true testament to what gear will last or not. What are you using sleeping bag wise? (Or equivalent)
>>2827942
Seems like it was a solid purchase. Ultralight tent would be nice on a thru hike , but splitting your tent with a buddy that's on the hike with you is just as well. It's what I did on my last hike anyway. Turns a big 6 lb tent to 3. Very reasonable.

>>2828832
>There's not alot "comfy" for a woman camping unless you have a big fuckoff trailer.
She's realistic about how it is, I just wanna give her a lil elbow room in the tent

>>2828834
Northface gang

>>2827319 (OP)
Polish poncho gang here
kinda heavy for the size but it's quiet dark warm and waterproof
takes a small hot tent stove in the chilly season too

>>2828848
I'd just get an Ozark trail 6-8 person tent. I see lots of people rocking Walmart tents at camp. Nothing wrong with that! Wint run you broke for nothing
>>2828851
LFG
>>2828883
Nice patches bro. Looks comfy. Especially in late fall

>>2828739
>>2828848
Get one of those air matresses that is like two feet tall inflated and a camping air compressor. Get a battery powered tent fan and two of those LED sliding lanterns. Freeze water bottles instead of using ice.

>>2828739
4-person honestly sounds excessive if there are just two of you.
What about a 2-3 person tent, and then a tarp to set up a covered outdoor area?
If you're setting up camp "proper", with a nice fire and all, maybe see about bringing something to sit on if you don't have something handy. For comfort, bring wine, good food, all that good stuff. Cinnamon rolls on the camp kitchen and other light cooking. If she's full, tired, and tipsy, she won't mind over much sleeping rough for a night or two.
I guess women are colder than men, so maybe bring a blanket or something she can ball up in. Blanket isn't a bad idea if you're bringing an inflatable sleeping pad either, I don't like the sound of synthetic sleeping bag material against synthetic sleeping pad material.

>>2827319 (OP)
>rocking
big agnes tiger wall ul1. it's alright, but sorta wish I got the 2 person version. got it on sale
>want
zpacks duplex seems dope but I'm not spending that much.

>>2829034
That thing looks sweet. Did you get it on their recent "outlet" sale? I nearly got their bike pack hotel one but went with The North Face instead. Just cuz im paranoid about warranty....

Hot tents are the best tents. I have a few different kinds of tents but here are my two hot tents. My most used and most loved is my aluxe -white one (Chinese shit also sold as three ridges and other stuff) megahorn tent. I also have a pomoloy leo (brown one). The alux or whatever its sold as is hella easy to setup and tear down/flexible for season and spacious, no real down sides to be honest other than kinda heavy/bigger. The leo is smaller and packs better but I don't really like that kind of pole setup just personal preference.

>>2829073
Looks like beautiful country in your pic. Hot tenting would be great. That luxe looks real cozy from the outside. Is there a big pole in the middle or is it more so tipi style for poles? What is the lowest temps you've camped in it?

>>2829083
Yep just one pole in the middle, I have the optional floor and a 2 person winter inner tent for it as well. The lowest I took it out in was about -13F.

X-Mid 2. Do need a good amount of space due to gigantic vestibules and the fact that floor space is on an diagonal so need more thought on placement.
Might get a X-Dome2 next for a freestanding option. So far havn't find anything else that deliver on the price/weight/floor+vestibule space that Durston have.

I 4 season the North Face Mountain 25. In summer it can get toasty tho.

>>2827319 (OP)
I have that tent and its great. My only complaints are it didn't come with the footprint and the zipper on the rain fly can be a cunt to zip/unzip from inside.

>>2828739
Kelty Rumpus

>>2829138
I have a megahorn like this in green
it was too small for my wife and I together with the stove andgear and the dog so we upgraded to a big 16ft canvas bell thing
I've been using the meghorn as my pack tent for trips with friends
with just me and my gear it's a mansion and still plenty carriable

>>2829212
always liked the xmid2

>>2827811
>Durston is a shill brand
It grew in popularity because of the unique design, price, and weight. There was also scarcity principal; you couldn’t just buy one whenever.
>$600
That’s the DCF pro version. The silpoly version is like $240.
>famous designer and well known hiker is on Reddit
No shit? I’m with you though, Reddit gear threads are the absolute worst circle jerks on the internet. Tarptent fanboys ruined it for me years ago.
>buy silnylon chink brand
I’m 6’ 1”. Are they the same dimensions as domestic brands? I’m not really interested, but it’s an apt question. Chinese people are a lot shorter, and it’s a way to cut cost. Also silpoly > silnylon

My shelter is a homemade hammock system so I don’t really have a dog in this fight.

Not my go-to shelter, as I’ve only used it as a sun shade and a wind block on long day hikes. And even that’s rare because I usually just sit under a tree or an umbrella. It worked well for those few times though. It’s a DIY half pyramid. I don’t even remember what I made it out of, but if I had to guess I’d say 1.2oz or 1.6oz silnylon. Nothing exotic. It’s really just a shaped tarp, so it’s much tighter than a square or rectangle.


It might work for wind or rain… maybe? If the open end was toward a tree or cliff wall or something. Probably not both wind and rain. But no floor and no bugnet, so no thank you.

>>2829300
Those 2 little dogs look absolutely energetic and would be hilarious to watch their antics on the teail or in camp

>>2829300
you're the only person on this thread that goes outside

>>2829324
They are insane. We’ve taken them ratting on my cousins hobby farm and they went absolutely ballistic. They’re rat terries, both from the same breeder (same dam but different sires).

>>2828686
Ez, is that a 2 gun bag?
Just roll the tent so it's long and skinny and you can get it and the poles on one side and still bring a rifle
Sleeping bag is a bit harder

I've got an Alps mountaineering Taurus, but no pictures of it outside...
Usually I just use a tarp when larping

Naturehike cloudup 1 pro I got from Amazog for Father’s Day present. Are they any good? I hear lots of great things, pretty compact also

>>2829138
What stove compatible winter tents would you recommend?

Looking to get into backpacking. love /out/ but always just done day trips from my grandpa's cabin. Is a 1 or 2 man walmart tent good enough for a beginner? do you really need some specialty type tent that fits properly in a backpack?

>>2829413
Good tent, but the 1p is a little small, most people go for the 2p for the extra space.

>>2829572
Just grab what you can and go, as you gain experience you will kit yourself out as you see fit

>>2829572
Make do with what you have/can get, Anon. Cheaper tents are usually heavier and bulkier, but just get a slightly larger pack. Make sure to look at used gear, too, because you can get nice stuff for a good price.

my car is my tent

>>2829610
KYS larper

>>2829572
Here’s some generic advice with regards to a lot of backpacking gear:
>weight
>quality
>price
You get to pick two.

Cheap and durable? It’s probably built like a tank and will last quite a while but weighs a ton. This is your milsurp and various LARP brands.

Cheap and light? Fragile, and probably doesn’t work the best. That doesn’t necessarily mean low quality; it could just be very lacking in features or a pain in the ass to use.

High quality and light? Poorfags need not apply because you’re paying out the ass for it. These are your typical high end, sticker-shock items, like $200 trekking poles and $600 tents.

Inb4 autists point out the exceptions. We know; there are always exceptions to this.

>>2827348
The humble beginnings of a true survivalist
>>2828851
I like this setup

>>2829617
most of this board is larp

>>2829586
I’m 6’3 with a 6 y/o and have this tent. Works great for both of us and we don’t want to bring a bunch of heavy bulky shit. Just a sleeping pad and a puffy down blanket

>>2829610
In that case, my house is my tent
>>2829649
The thief thinks everyone steals

I'm looking for a ultra light stealth "bivy" tent/ 1p small tunnel tent(in EU), something like the snugpack ionosphere, they moved manufacturing to China so I need some new ideas, no tarps or hammocks

>>2829817
Check out Trekkertent. I’m pretty sure they’re British. Note sure about the quality but they look like no nonsense, classic designs. There’s also Bonfus and Samaya (not sure if that last one is spelled right), but they’re both mega high end DCF (ones Italian and the other French).

>>2829572
You'll be fine, bro. 1-person is fine if you just want somewhere to plonk your head down and sleep for the night, but you might want a 2-person tent if you want to stash your gear in the tent (like if it's raining heavily), and/or you're using it as a basecamp and you expect to spend some time there. Or if you plan on taking anyone with you on a trip, I guess.
>fits properly in a backpack
A little tip I picked up is that you can separate the tent's components to make it more packable. It's so obvious when you do it, but somehow I never thought to do it:
You usually get one big bag with the tent, poles and stakes. Take the poles and stakes out of the bag, that way you don't need to worry about breaking something when you pack the (fairly bulky) tent as compact as you can in your pack. The poles and pegs are fairly light and small, so apart from making sure they don't get bent out of shape you can pack them wherever you like in your pack. I keep the poles along the spine of the backpack and the pegs in the top lid.
Also do a test pitch at home before you leave, just so you're somewhat familiar with how it's done for when you need it and don't need to look for a signal on your phone to download the manual or watch a video about it while it's raining cats and dogs.

>>2829864
I own and use a trekkertent stealth, but get the 1.5 version, unless you are a manlet. It's a pretty classic design and having your head at the top end with the tall pole is great because even in crazy winds you never get disturbed by the tent walls slapping your face. I pitched it super saggy in this vid, but still had a completely uninterrupted night.

>>2827348
I've dreamed of a slightly higher end version of this, but still super simple. I'd need a built in floor, and zipper bug screen doors on both ends. I like the idea of having the doors be recessed in with the ends becoming open vestibules. It seems like it would work really well and wouldn't require too much stitching and seam sealing. You'd think a company could make something like this super cheap. Because of the "always open airflow" design I think you could make it out of siltarp and it would be pretty bombproof when it comes to rain in a wooded environment.

>>2829619
>>2829608
>>2829597
>>2829879
thank you anons. picked up pic rel for $20 and slept in it last night. light rain, about 10 degrees C. had enough room to stuff a bag/valuables in as well.

>>2829923
Like this?

>>2829948
The Big Agnes Scout was a $250 tent when it came out and would probably be $350 today. Tarp Tents also has a similar design in the $250 range.

My idea is to make something in the cheapo garbage price tier that's actually still pretty comfortable and robust, achieving the price point through extreme simplicity.

>>2829953
Do you want to make one or buy one?
I would say buy a 2P bug tent and a tarp separately.

>>2829923
If the walls are sewn to the floor, it limits ventilation and condensation becomes a bigger problem. Single walled shelters usually have netting between the floor and wall.

It is strange that a two pole, tunnel design isn’t more common though. Two pole shelters are more stable than single pole designs, and it offers more room for taller people. An average height man with a 2” pad a thick sleeping bag gets pretty close to the walls of a pyramid shelter.

A cheap tent like you described, even with good ventilation, would be super easy to make. A 40” wide floor with a 48” peak height would make the walls 52”. The floor could be made slightly wider or the peak taller by using standard 58” silnylon (or silpoly).

>>2829972
It seems like the kind of thing I could probably make myself, although I don't have a ton of experience with a sewing machine so it might end up wonky. A bug tent + tarp would still be in the $100+ range. I do have a nice free standing one person tent, it's not like I need a new tent, this is more of an exercise in designing something cheap and simple that might actually still work and be safe and fun to use.

>>2829988
>If the walls are sewn to the floor, it limits ventilation and condensation becomes a bigger problem.

I was thinking that if the two mesh doors didn't have rain covers, thus leaving the tube open to the breeze at all times, with the open vestibule overhangs providing the protection from the rain, condensation might not be an issue. I know that in cold temperatures condensation in a tent can be deadly - but many companies have been marketing mylar survival tube tents for decades, so I have to assume that with the ends open to the breeze condensation isn't a big deal.

>>2829883
This is an incredible video. Where were you?
>>2829947
Nice choice. Glad you enjoyed yourself

>>2829947
Good on you bro, the most important thing is getting /out/, then you can evaluate your gear as you go. Ten degrees sounds a bit low for the season, where did you go?

>>2830229
>This is an incredible video. Where were you?
In the Scottish highlands. It's pretty common we get these types of conditions

>>2830259
Very nice. What kinda wind speed is that? Looks intense. I'm in Canada, and we think the wind gets bad here in Saskatchewan!

>>2828541
You friend sounds incredibly based ngl.

>>2827811
>Naturehike
Damn looked them and they're lightweight and pretty damn cheap, plus I would rather give money to chinks than amerikikes. Now just need to find a retailer other than amazon that offers a 5 day shipping tops rather than having to wait a month before it arrives directly from China.

>>2829883
>>2830259
I FUCKING HATE THE WIND SO MUCH OMG!
>>2830047
>I don't have a ton of experience with a sewing machine
Glue the seams first before sewing them. Also would help prevent wonkiness to make a stick or wire frame of your desired shape, and sew the panels of fabric to each other while hanging on the frame, then slip the frame out.

>>2827348
This is cool, anon. Id perhaps add a mosquito net at the ends if youre in a buggy enviorment

Went from a Big Agnes Copper Spur HV UL2 to a Durston xmid solid 1p, realized recently that I dont care much for double wall tents, nor bathtub floors, so I've mainly been using just the outer wall of my xmid which worked out well. Only thing Im not a fan of now is how the SilPoly absorbs the water. Gonna be trying out a zpacks hexamid pocket tarp in the future.

>>2827348
Did this shit as a flex in my boy scout troop back in the 00's. Idk but it was just cooler than bringing a legit tent. Probably because you had it up in 4 mins and had more time to fuck with your friends who were still setting up. Tarping will always be based in my book.

I use
https://www.ebay.com/itm/276974700594
but in a different color. Got it in 2014 and while I don't go out much, it just works. Slightly butthurt quest is trying to move upmarket and discontinued this lil nigga because it's just perfect.

>>2828686
Mine would, easily.

>>2829610
That's just being homeless.

>>2830285
>silpoly absorbs water
lol wut?

>>2830299
SilPopy will absorb minimal amounts of water, but thats still some. During multiday hikes that accumulates if its constantly raining and youre not able to hang it to dry. DCF on the other hand does not absorb to the same degree. So its lighter, stronger, more water resistant. Win-win.

Which one should I get /out/?

>Durston Xmid1
>Sixmoon Lunar Solo
>Tarpent Rainbow1 (I like the ability to use trekking poles to make it freestanding)

>>2830234
Northern Ontario. rainy nights are nice it’s been hot as balls lately

>>2830325
Xmid. The Lunar Solo is nice but single wall shelters have too much of a condensation problem in most environments. Tarp tents are really solid with great designs but they’re all so expensive. Plus the Reddit circle jerk over Tarptent turned me off to the company years ago. I’m not even anti-Reddit. It was just mega annoying.

>>2827441
>>2827875
i live near an army base and these motherfuckers show up all the time on FB marketplace for like <$100. maybe I should snag one even though I have a 2 person tent.

Any recs for an inexpensive tent for motocamping? Doesn't need to be super light but packed size is important, I need to fit all my gear (other than sleeping bag, which btw I'm gonna get a compression bag for) in a 39l rackless saddlebag setup that's basically like a pair of pants with the ankles sewn shut. Hoping to spend less than $200, otherwise I'd just buy one of the Big Agnes bikepacking tents and be done with it. It does need to be freestanding and have a floor.

>>2829799
Really? The 2p is only 170grams heavier and you get a lot more room. I was considering getting the Cloud Up pro as a cheap mountaineering tent. Have you tested it high winds?

>>2829883
>>2830259
Why did you pitch your tents side on to the wind?

>>2830376
Because when we pitched it wasn't windy

>>2830345
>Plus the Reddit circle jerk over Tarptent
isn't durston peak reddit though? durston himself has some kind of bot/automatic alert that he replies to every thread within 30 minutes of an xmid tent being mentioned

>>2830516
This was long before Durston Gear existed. r/CoonTown was still active.

>>2830530
Can still see remnants of the Tarptent circlejerk on their facebook page, but tarptent took a pretty big reputation hit once that video of their 4-season tent breaking in high winds was released and they went full cope.
Durston is definitely the new circlejerk, but at least he apologizes when his product fails, and he has a long history of being in the community. That being said I think he blew it with the xdome, as there seens to be a lot of issues with the carbon poles breaking.

>>2830556
Here’s the thing though: the x-mid is a legitimately good option, while the Tarptents that were shilled then were all insanely overpriced.

The silpoly version of the x-mid is like $240, it really is high quality, and the design stands apart from most other freestanding tents (even though it was “inspired by”/stolen from the Sierra Designs High Route, that’s not a common design).

Meanwhile Tarptent was nearly all Dynema (Cuben Fiber back then) with two exceptions that were still around $350 when they were introduced in 2017. Great designs, well made, and obviously very light, but everyone was suggesting $500 tents and it was a bit ridiculous. They didn’t start making the ProTrail in SilPoly until 2022, presumably because demand for affordable shelters was much higher and DCF remained niche due to cost. And hey, look at that; same price point as the X-Mid.

>>2829953
Someone (more specifically someone in China) could definitely make a clone of the TarpTent Pro Trail and sell it for $140. Look at the Lanshan/3F Gear tent on Amazon. It’s a ubiquitous single pole pyramid tent. That same design by cottage industry manufacturers is like $250.

>>2829235
I'm just using a cheap tarp. Does the job just fine! I think North Face wants 60 bucks for a footprint here in canada. Fuck that

>>2827320
Allak, love it, price went up 30% since I bought mine....2 years ago...

>>2829864
Those look interesting but I really hate trekking poles and these type of flimsy pole tents. I'm sure they are great but they're not for me (>>2829817), ended up going for a Vango Apex Compact 100, the Nevis 1 person but with aluminum lighter poles, pic related. I'll post results pitching it in my garden later this month when I get it

I just found this tent in a totally unrelated google image search. The Alpkit Tarpstar 2. Double wall, single pole, two person pyramid tent. I'm in love. If it's ever in stock again I really might buy this. It doesn't have a vestibule, but I've lived without one for this long. Ventilation with the doors shut might not be super ideal, only air flow will be coming in from ground level, but it's probably nuke proof in high winds.

Anyone have this? Thinking of pulling the trigger but it is really expensive. Figured it's worth going light as possible.

The previous version can be had for four hundred but has PFAs and I'm a little spooked by that kek

Durston just dropped new Xdome 1
Am i going to regret this /out/?

>>2830901
what's the point of double wall when that fly is shaped to pour rain into the tent body

>>2830966
Efficiency is always a compromise of something. Does it rain a lot where you are?

>>2830962
naturehike star river 2 ul.

>>2831029
This seems ridiculously cheap for a tent but the boxes it checks aren't bad. What is the catch on it?

>>2831035
>What is the catch

I have a friend who got one and I had a chance to check it out. The vestibule is also pretty dinky, even for a freestanding tent, so you'll probably get wet coming in during the rain. Definitely wouldn't cook under it. Some people don't like the D-zip (I'm one of them) but that's your preference. My friend did mention that she had difficulty getting the two zippers to meet, and that could let bugs in, but she had only used it in the winter so she couldn't say for sure. Also mentioned reading that the hydrostatic head is less than half of the original model, 1500 vs around 4000.

So other than the hydrostat, pretty much issues you'll find in most budget freestanding tents. If you're in a dry climate I don't see any major problems.

>>2830962
I own one, It's a solid and has stood the test of time. Plenty of use on the AT and PCT by others, its Silnylon so youll experience some sagging if it rains heavily, but thats not really a massive issue in my opinion. It hasnt lead to any wet nights. Tents like the x-dome>>2830963 is slightly lighter, but I'm not entirely convinced about its sturdyness. Ive seen a lot of complaints about the tent on the durston facebook page, primarily about the carbon poles breaking after 1-2 uses, usually due to defects. I know Dan always improves the tents yearly, if even just slightly, and he will send new poles/replace items if they are defective. But Id rather wait for the xdome to go through more general testing and improvements. Ill stick with the big agnes for now.

>>2830962
I have one. No problems so far, had it for maybe two years, many nights on the AT.
Very light and quick to set up. The material its made out of /feels/ very fragile, but I haven’t encountered any rips yet. Would recommend if you’re backpacking.

I got a Kelty as a gift, its a 2 person tent. Is that any good?

>>2831160
I have no personal experience with Kelty tents but I went kayak camping a month ago and I noticed that ALL of the kayak tour agencies were using Kelty tents. So they must be decent and fairly retard proof. From memory I think they were using the Grand Mesa design.

>>2831160
Yes, usually on the heavy side, but very good. What are the poles made of?

>>2831035
It's a clone of a nemo dagger. It has the pro's and con's of that tent. Otherwise it uses standard sil-nylon fabric, instead of nemo's blended fabric which stretches a little less when wet.


This guy know nothing about what he's talking about, the star river 2 ul has a feature which turns the vestibule into an awning. >>2831079

>>2827319 (OP)
After 4 years of use, my trusty old Ozark Trail tent from Walmart finally broke down.

I'm considering buying a naturehike but I'm very unwilling to spend more than $100 for it.

>>2832464
not a bad looking tent honestly. Maybe i should grab one before the mango tariffs fuck everything up, even though I'm not dying for a tent or anything right now.

using it for years to hide from European laws

>>2832943
This looks like a nice setup!
>>2832528
More money does not equal more happy. Im glad the Ozark trail tent served your needs
>>2831160
One of the outdoors store here selles mostly Kelty as well. I have no experience with it but im sure they're fine
>>2830963
Did you buy them???

>>2830354
I think the big agnes bike packing ones are perfect for your purpose!

On a scale from 1 to "I saw it on reddit" , how much of a meme do you consider hammock tents to be ?

2 person tent,

>>2834475
You’re not ready for a hammock

>>2834475

idk get a cheap one and try for 20+ C it's damn comfy if you're not retard who can't sleep if you're not in a bedroom

I have the bergans romsdal 2 person tent. Kind of a Hilleberg Nammatj clone for 1/4 the price. It's not super light (5 lb and 12.8 oz) but obviously very strong, and suitable for mountains/winter use

>>2834475
I’ve been camping with a hammock since before r/CoonTown existed.

>hammock tent
Do you mean a hammock with a tarp, or some kind of gimmick shit?

>>2829034
Fellow Big Agnes bro
I have the copper spur UL2 and it is truly a fantastic tent.
So much so that I don't want to take it on hikes where it will get beat up on. Thinking of buying a naturehike or similar AliExpress tent. What do you guys think?

>>2835292
Forgor pic

>>2835292
>What do you guys think?
if you need a different size a 2nd tent might make sense. but you got a decent one already. pick up the footprint or lay down a tarp or groundsheet if you're worried about it getting beat up. I imagine it'll be able handle everything else fine

Any recommendations on picking up a tent that can handle a decent amount of rain and can fit in a motorcycle as part of the luggage? Hopefully something that is no more than 24in packed in length?
So far I got my eye on a Marmot Vapor 2P that is on sale, but also I saw a Discovery (Channel) Expedition Pro 4P, packed its the same size as the 2P and its just one extra kilogram. Is 5k mm a decent rating? Both of these are supposedly with that rating for the rain.
In resume, I just want something that works, is not cumbersome in volume and can be found for less than 200USD, sadly I'm not murican like >>2830354 so my options are a bit more limited, Coleman tents are also available but they say it's bad cuz they condense like a mofo even with a little rain.
Anyways, I'm just looking for something to sleep comfy, be able to keep gear inside and be able to change clothes too since taking shit off like MX boots is a bitch. Aliexpress or even poorfag Decathlon recommends are also welcomed.

Picrel is the Discovery Channel Expedition Pro 4P btw, I assume it must be just some chink brand with DC brand logo slapped on it, funny cuz there's also camp stuff with NatGeo logo over here too.

>>2836080
why not get a sizeable tarp and cover your vehicle with that? much easier, packs smaller and you don't have to drag it into a tent and try to fit alongside it.

>>2832943
>hide from european laws
why so many fellow europoors who seem to be well versed in the law but absolutely out of touch with people?
I read this meme everywhere. You're probably even deluding yourself believing the 'stealth camp meme' is working. Meanwhile the guy casually glancing at you doesn't give two fucks.
I have never had legal trouble in europe.Worst case you get woken up by a hunter who tells you you cant be there because its a natural reserve or because they want to be huntingaybe a farmer eanting to do something or police responding to concerned citizens calling over suspicuous activity. Just be nice,have a chat, ask where the locals would go, pack up and move.
Oh and ofc don't litter, repect private fenced off property, dont take someones firewood. You know just have some respect and you'll be fine under a fucking blue tarp or in a signal orange tent.
Reminds me of that one retars on YT who must have the most retarded audience ever. The guy just camps and takes videos of it. But he sells it to his audience as if he was in big trouble if spotted, hence he makes all this play about being hidden. Meanwhile people just don't care where you sleep and when they do they just ask you to move.
Also least thing I would want is looking as if I tried to hide.

>>2836102
I already have a cover for my bike, I just want a tent for my person and that can fit my gear, including my bike's top case and saddlebags inside of it when I take them off.
I like the concept of tarps but the problem is when it rains, shit either goes ballistic or doesn't rain at all, so in the event that it starts raining, its very likely that the rainwater will make its way under the tarp and I end up getting wet myself.

>>2834350
Shit, only just realized this was to me since it was long enough ago that there wasn't a (you). Like I said, the Big Agnes ones are out of my price range, I really need something under about $250.

>>2836080
I'm in the same boat. I've been looking at ALPS Mountaineering, the Helix is supposed to be great for the money, and the Lynx is very cheap and has decent reviews but people say it isn't very well ventilated so it's bad for hot weather.

>>2832943
european here. Nobody cares, nobody is looking for you. stop larping

Just bought a tungsten 2 for my camping trip this weekend. I was limited to what was in store by my laziness, and this seems like a better deal than quest ridge runner or whatever. We shall see.

>>2836080
>>2836182
I just picked up a Kelty Late Start 2. Solid reviews for the money and very compact (I didn't even notice until after buying it but Kelty's site specifically calls out motocamping), and it's $159.

>>2836686
Hope it works out, for myself I want a 4 season right off the bat since it rains a lot, and where I expect to go on a trip, even more. I guess I'm gonna pull the trigger on the NatureHike Cloud 2 Pro, since it has 4K mm rating, but more importantly, it packs much smaller than a regular tent so it will fit my 45L top case with no issues, unlike most 24in packed tents, shame I didn't find a Cloud 2 Pro with skirt, only the regular Cloud 2 has it only in white, but this one is closer to a 1p tent due of the size, which is a no go for me since I want to leave my gear inside.

>>2836796
Just tried setting it up with my other core gear. Seems pretty decent for the money. I should probably get a footprint though. Fortunately my area is pretty dry so I'm not hugely worried about rain. Waiting for sunset so I can get some shots with lights on and then I'm gonna pack everything up and see how it fits in my saddlebags.

>>2836798
Looks super comfy ngl, I probably will buy the Cloud 2 Pro tent tomorrow, I just haven't seen what else can I get in order to redeem a coupon code yet.

>>2836808
Yeah it seems like it'll be comfy af. I got this Nite Ize combo string light/lantern thing and that shit's super comfy at night too, I think it'll look awesome strung from the tent to my bike at the campout I'm doing next month.

The day I waited for is here. I'm going to buy my tent.

>>2827348
>Dont judge me because I'm poor.
Why would I judge you for something that is roughly as reliable as these pointlessly overbuilt tents and expensive tents? ("But they're lightweight!!!") On the other hand, I think it's really funny to see gearporn turds out and about worrying about little rips and tears, bent poles, and the like. If you know what you're doing, any piece of shit will work fine. Concentrate on your sleeping bag if anything.

>>2836812
How incredibly girly and feminine

>>2836829
So I bought this bad boy. What a chinesium! But it was cheap and it works. Camp is set, it's time for a walk, eat something, beer and sleep.

>>2836812
This is awesome, now I'm embarrassed to post my setup

>>2827348
YEAAAAHHH BLUE TARP BROS!

>>2836947
Looking good brah, let us know how it works out for you.

>>2836865
Hopefully it'll encourage girls to want to share my tent, then. Really though, I just think it'll be nice area lighting when it's draped from the tent to my bike instead of wrapped around the tent and chair like in the pic, and I'm going to a big moto campout in a couple of weeks so it should make a nice hangout spot.

>>2836947
Mine is pretty much all the cheapest stuff I could get that'd fit in my bike bags, so yours probably mogs mine in most ways.

>>2836812
>>2836829
Well I finally did, ordered a Cloud 2 Pro in Brown Amber color, its big enough for me to leave my stuff inside yet just small enough when its packed that it will fit my top case with no issues, even though I do have saddlebags, I will for the meantime leave them out and just take a short trip in order to test it out, then after coming back and seeing what can I do better, will decide how I will pack the saddlebags up.

>went to buy an X-Mid
>sold out until late September
Shiiiieeeet

>>2837005
>half the price
thoughts?

>>2836112
It varies a lot from place to place and time of the year.
In areas of France and Spain prone to wildfire, they do not fuck around. You now have some patrols in the spring and summer because they do not trust Juanito de Incesto-Attardé to not start a fire with his gas can.

>>2837485
I was wondering when someone would rip off the design (the X-Mid being a ripoff of the Sierra Designs High Route). Who makes this copy? Link? If it’s Chinese I’d mostly be worried about the mystery material and the interior dimensions. I’m an average height human man (6’ 1”) and some of the Chinese tents look a little confining. The two pole offset design lends itself well to 6’ 1” (average height) people.

My Longdong 2 tent is doing well, I'm happy with it. There is too many tent pegs in a pack and some ropes I don't even know what to do with them, but it works pretty nice like this. BUT it didn't rained yet! Who knows what will happen in a rain? They said it does have some PUR dry tech treatment but hey it's a tent for $48.

I found this place a hour after sunset, it was dark. Grass looked like it was mowed few weeks ago in a hurry with a tractor, so I think I was on someone's private property, but no one showed up. Just pitched a tent in like 5 minutes, inflated a pad, unpacked a sleeping pad, ate 2 oscypeks and slept like baby.

>>2836979
>>2836994
My Longdong 2 tent is doing well, I'm happy with it. There is too many tent pegs in a pack and some ropes I don't even know what to do with them, but it works pretty nice like this. BUT it didn't rained yet! Who knows what will happen in a rain? They said it does have some PUR dry tech treatment but hey it's a tent for $48.

I found this place a hour after sunset, it was dark. Grass looked like it was mowed few weeks ago in a hurry with a tractor, so I think I was on someone's private property, but no one showed up. Just pitched a tent in like 5 minutes, inflated a pad, unpacked a sleeping bag, ate 2 oscypeks and slept like baby.

>>2829299
Who is the designer / maker of durston? I've heard that hea famous but I never connected who it actually is
>>2829300
Gotta think about the bugs, too
>>2829442
nta but here in canada i use propane mr. Buddy heaters in -40c with "ice fishing shelters". Gotta keep the propane tank inside otherwise it doesn't work. Ask me why i know how frostbite feels!

>>2830285
How did you clear the area for this setup? Did you stomp down all the foliage first or just plant your tent on top of everything. Nice pic!
>>2830288
Agree on the tarp being a flex. I was proud of it in the past , too
>>2830326
I used to work in northern Ontario. Wide span but beautiful country there
>>2834591
Not sure if this is your photo but its a beautiful one
>>2836812
How's that chair?

Marmot 3p tent. uses strategic bends in the poles to make the base more boxy and bigger. i only really use a cot, because fuck that i dont wanna sleep on the hard ground unless i have to. it will fit 2 cots or 3 people.

>>2830259
lol, comfy.

>>2838534
Dan Durston “designed” the XMid (took a Sierra Designs High Route and improved it). Durston was the first to yo-yo the Great Divide.

The X-Mid is popular for a few reasons.

>design
Let’s not kid ourselves, it’s a great design. Two-pole designs maximize headroom, usable floor space, and add structural integrity. It’s well built and has a lot of good design choices. The X-Mid is also pretty light for a double walled shelter. And it came out at a time when silpoly was replacing silnylon.

>low price
You can’t buy them anywhere but from the manufacturers website, which is why they’re $260 (recently increased from $240) and not $350.

>Massdrop and scarcity effect
The X-Mid wasn’t sold on the manufacturer’s site for a few years after its release. It was only sold on Massdrop. The tents were made in limited quantities only a few times per year. This all culminated into a limited supply, which can necessarily increase demand. In marketing it’s called the “scarcity effect.” Even now the tents come in batches; they’ve been sold out for a month and aren’t available until late September.

>Reddit circle jerk/echo chamber
It’s one of the most insufferable aspects of Reddit. There’s a lot less nuance than there should be. The X-Mid really is great, but you’d think it was the only shelter available.

>owner engagement
Dan Durston was a regular on Backpacking Light even before starting his company, and he’s engaged directly with consumers on Reddit and Facebook.

>>2839124
Sounds pretty mid, durst I say it

>>2838537
>How's that chair?
I'll have to see how it does for a real camping trip (leaving for a 2 night campout this afternoon) but it seems pretty great for the $35 it cost, feels pretty solid and stable and packs up very small. I tried a bunch of more expensive alternatives at REI and none of the compact ones felt any better. (That said the REI Camp Boss or whatever it's called is way nicer if you can afford the packed size.)

Xmid2 and nature hike star river 2. Both good for their own reasons.

>>2827319 (OP)
>tent
Anon, I don't go /out/ to sit in an enclosed space.
I sleep under a tarp when it rains or snows, and under the stars otherwise.

>>2837657
Sounds pretty decent for the money.

I just got home from my first moto campout. The Kelty did pretty well, pretty good space for a tent that packs so small and stayed dry when it rained. I do wish the top was a darker or more opaque material though, I guess it's nice how easy it is to see inside when you're looking for stuff in the daytime but it makes it hard to sleep after sunrise.

>>2839595
One more shot with the lights set up. Super comfy to sit with a beer and these things on. Ended up using them more to light up the picnic table where we had all the beer/snacks/etc. at the central firepit area though, they were awesome for that.

Have an xmid 1, only complaints are that it's a bit cramped and it's not DCF.
Think a "1+ Pro" where one of the vestibules became part of the inner would be my perfect tent, but with the 2 Pro already existing probably not going to happen.

The plex solo looks appealing and I'm short enough for it, but dunno, would want to borrow one before dropping $600 on one, whereas I already know I like the xmids

>>2836604
Nice and light so used my alice gear for the trip to offset. Very easy and intuitive to set up. The rain fly worked as it should, but I didn't remember to bring more stakes to properly set up the fly. I didn't bring a tarp, but none of the water that got between the footprint and the tent seeped through. I'm 6'1" and had a foot or so of head room. Two people my height could use this tent. We'll see how it holds up over time. Worked well enough for me.

>>2829212
Can't get any better camp site then that.

>>2835292
The tent wants to be used and abuse and fixed brother. You would never adopt a large dog and never let it run?
Pic related: Left tent has seen so much desert without a groundsheet, and right tent has seen snow as a 3 season tent.XTPOK

>>2840254
In all my years, I've never accidentally typed a captcha into the message box.

>>2829212
The X-Mid 2 has a smaller footprint than most 2 person trekking pole tents. Because the poles are offset, the walls by the head and feet can be steeper. Because of the diagonal lay, there’s additional storage inside the tent, so exterior vestibule space is sacrificed. It’s the same for the 1 person.

X-Mid 2: 100” x 83”
Lunar Duo: 116” x 90”
The Two: 135” x 117”
Duplex: 100” x 93”
Guardian 2: 142” x 110”
Flash Air 2: 88” x 52” (dubious claim, probably interior dimensions)
Lanshan 2: 106” x 98”
StratoSpire 2: 118” x ~90”
10’ x 8’ blue tarp from Home Depot: 120” x 96”

>>2837526
now this is someone who goes /out/

most amerimutts have no idea how fucky europe can be in certain places. I simply ignored that text wall of ignorant bullshit

>>2840283
I'm a different anon, but thank you for making this list.

>>2828609
How the fuck did you not have a drivers license for 15 years??? Either you bought the tent when you were 9 or youre one of those retarded freaks who spends 10+ years getting their license and now youre like 40.

I have never Solo camped before and I’m looking to buy a tent. What tent should I buy? Or should I get a tarp and bivy like picrel?

Are tent footprints worth it?

>>2840451
Just buy a cheap tent if you can't borrow one. No reason for buying a fancy tent from the get-go if you're just getting your feet wet.

>>2840452
I like it well enough, and it doesn't weigh much either. Keeps the grime and the wet off the tent, so not much cleaning once you get back home, just washing the footprint and the bag, shaking and airing out the inner tent and the cover, and then packing it again once it's dry.

>>2840442
nta but I have a friend who was like that, went to San Fran for school and ended up staying another decade for work and was making good money but didn't have a need or anywhere to keep a car. He only finally got his license and a car when he moved to LA in his late 30s.

>>2827348
>Dont judge me
Too late, I judge that you are smart and nothing is stopping you, but law enforcement.

>>2828686
>got this thing as a gift
Sell it. What a white elephant.

>>2830345
>Tarp tents are really solid with great designs but they’re all so expensive. Plus the Reddit circle jerk over Tarptent turned me off to the company years ago. I’m not even anti-Reddit. It was just mega annoying.
Eh hem... letting yourself be influenced by others is pretty natural. Not getting over it is on you. But when it comes to a high priced tent or an expensive bag, I reassure myself (justify/cope) that I have tossed upwards of $200usd (and more) a night for a room. $300+ or either artical is a value I can own vs. a rented room. Anyway, Tarptent Aeon Li @ Indian Gardens, GCNP. Had it down to +20°F the night before on the Rim. Not too much condensation, but some.

>>2840451
If you're just camping enjoy a bigger footprint. Get a two person tent in whatever flavor you want, something with poles. Don't get walmart trash.

>>2827319 (OP)

Lunar Solo

> Single walled
> picks up a ton of condensation.
> My head and toes brush the walls, and I'm 5'10"
> Requires external guy lines
> Barely room for your pack
> Flimsy
> Had to seam seal it myself
> and after all that... ventilation problems!

I really regret buying this fucking thing, even though I got a discount. Now I realize the discount was just a tacit acknowledgement of failure.

>>2840613
The California Influence is the paradigm wherein California imposes a disproportionately large influence over outdoor recreation gear.

Single walled tents aren’t the best choice outside of a dry, Mediterranean climate. Ventilation will always be behind what can be done with a double walled shelter, and double walled shelters lend themselves much better to handling any condensation that does form.

It’s a real shame that the single pole design is so ubiquitous. It results in a cramped interior. Utilizing two poles (which everyone is carrying anyway) solves the issue, either offset like the X-Mid or in an a-frame design like the ProTrail.

Two poles also allow for either two vestibules or a large opening near the feet for ventilation. Two person tents like the Lunar Duo or GG The Two do this b it don’t solve the length issue (especially for taller people). Some manufacturers include small poles specifically to raise the wall height and add ventilation because it’s a known problem with single pole shelters like the Lunar Solo.

Look at the TT Notch or REI Flash Air. Both use two poles that form a ridgeline perpendicular to the users torso. They have two vestibules. And they include short poles for the head and foot ends, which create huge vents and add space.

tl;dr the simple 1 pole single wall design is a meme with two many major flaws.

>>2829073
>>2829138
Based Megahorn enjoyer. I have the Nova Explorer, which is also made by Luxe. It's basically Megahorn except with some additional tie-outs and can be set up more like a laavu.

Been using mine for 4+ years now, went through thick and thin with it, it's held out through even in rough weather great.

>>2836080
I got the Nemo Dagger 2p tent, it's more expensive but there are so many other tents exactly the same, for example from Naturehike, dunno about the quality tho but the Nemo is pretty good, had some heavy and light rain, spent roughly 60 nights in it and now the repellent is a bit fading. Without the poles it packs really small.
I can fit my whole sleeping setup in one of those bigger side bag (14liter), except the sleeping bag, thats on the top. If I would go on a world tour I would keep the tent.

>>2841263
Man those Mosko setups are nice. My GL is just a little short of what I wish it were, barely got my stuff in there on the way out and couldn't get it packed as neatly on the way back (plus I accumulated a new set of riding gear and had to get the old stuff home) and the bike rode like absolute dogshit. Even a few more liters of leeway would've made a huge difference.

>>2841265
I checked out the KLX after this post >>2830354
and the 650 KLR still seems nicer. What do you think? I would be 200 to 600 miles to destination bike packing in AZ/Utah.

>>2841283
Of the two, the KLR650 would definitely be the way to go. The KLX is a great learner bike and a decent trail bike but it sucks at everything else, especially long distance highway riding.

I'm planning on upgrading to a 650-800cc adventure bike eventually myself since I also want to do long trips, but it'll be a while, I need to spend more time practicing off road on the KLX before I do it with a much bigger heavier bike.

>>2841283
When you're on the road with the KLX you're gonna wish you were on the KLR because it sucks
When you're offroad on the KLR you're gonna wish you were on the KLX because it sucks

There are two ways to avoid this
1) never take the KLX on interstates
2) never take the KLR on anything beyond maintained dirt roads

If you want to go on the interstates and the trails and not want to kill yourself you're going to need to cough up another $5k for something euro and then you're going to be wanting to be killing yourself when it breaks down

>>2841288
>>2841291
KLR it is
>2) never take the KLR on anything beyond maintained dirt roads
That's not going to happen.

>>2839400
>under the stars otherwise.
Did that once, woke up wet due to dew (I'm a poet and didn't know it.)

>>2841341
>due to dew
You still aren't, homonyms aren't rhyming.

>>2827319 (OP)
>$100+ dollar tents
is this like fishing lures for campers?

>>2842736
>pff, spending more than 2 days of median rent on a tent you're going to use for 5+ years is ridiculous
Get a job lil bro

>>2842738
Oy gevalt!

>>2842736
I'll see you in you wind collapsed tent, covered in snow in the morning.

soon...

>>2829923
Try looking into surplus F1/2 tents by the French Army. Finding some might be tricky though, but these appear to be exactly what you're looking for.

>>2842792
>F1/2 tents by the French Army
>1960's tech
Fuck that. Just get a $40usd dome tent.

>>2835292
I kinda regret getting the one person version, my backpack barely fits with me inside, but it was on sale.
> I don't want to take it on hikes where it will get beat up on
Gear is supposed to be used

>>2842783

I recently ordered an X-Mid 1. Supposed to be arriving Saturday. This will be the first backpacking tent I’ve bought in over two decades. It’s been like 99% hammocks since 2005, with a tarp being used on two trips to Big Bend.

>>2829923
The Tarptent ProTrail is pretty close, but one end is a lot lower than the other.

Ideally I’d like to see a double-walled ProTrail, where the fly can be pitched in different configurations. Generally that means one style of pitch is fantastic, while the others are a little wonky. But that’s fine, as long as the main way of pitching offers the most rain and wind protection.

Specifically, I’d like to see two entrances: one at the head end (like it has now) and a second along the side. The fly could be pitched in a porch mode, rolled up out of the way and to one side, in snake skins, or any weird combination to increase ventilation while still offering rain protection “just in case.”

The sides should have catenary cuts. It’s strange that they don’t already. And they should have panel pulls for a tarp pole mod (a pole is laid on top of and perpendicular to the ridge line, and pulls up in the ones pulls, adding rigidity and interior space).

>>2829988
I think these beat out the a-frame design because a smaller shelter is less prone to wind. Plus it’s easier to get in and out of.

>>2842911
nice dood im headed to big bend in a month. Mine'll get here saturday as well. I was debating getting the xmid2 but i probably dont need that much space and its cheaper and lighter so ya know. I've been able to fuck chicks in my other single person tent so im not too concerned on the 1% chances i get some poon. I hope its as good as it seems.

>>2827319 (OP)
Started with a lunar solo. Which was great besides condensation. Then got a xmid v1 from massdrop which was nice except for a little cramped. This year bought a used xmid 2 for 150. Had a small whole where a hiking stick poked a hole but fixed up easily with gear tape. It’s got a massive footprint but is a fantastic tent.

>>2843277
Hole*
Also have a Kodiak 10x14 for when I glamp with the girlfriend.

Notice nobody ITT has mentioned Seek Outside, so I thought I'd plug them. Huge fan, switched to Seek tipi/pyramid tents and tarps about 4 years ago and never looked back. Will never use any other brand or style of tent. Super durable, weather resistant, flexible. Floorless designs have massive comfort/floor space to weight ratio benefits. Work in all seasons (digging out seating areas / vestibule in snow is awesome). Throw in a net for bugs. Hot-tent capable, and I think pretty much the only non-chineseium and actual light-weight hot tent.

They're all made of really durable material and made in USA. Yes, expensive.

I have the Cimarron (4 person), for when GF is coming or when hot tenting, the Silvertip (2 person ) for going solo, and a couple of "DST" tarps which I use for hammocking or making super massive vestibule areas when car camping or going somewhere rainy.

>>2827348
I usually make one with a single entrance and fold the bottom corner down into a triangle. That way the wind doesn't get through and i only need one stake, one pole and can gywire to the ground.

>>2843681
they look nice but are very similar to those chinese hot tents that go for 1/4 the price, I'd hate to pay that money and find out that its an import brand.

>>2843681
I have the DST and love it. If I ever go to or move to a place with snow I will pick one up. But Im in SoCal so real cold is not an issue.

>>2845086
I'm 99% sure they aren't imported, just from the lead times alone (if you order one now, it's going to take like 2 months before you get it). Also they're pretty transparent about their process, materials, etc. There are videos out there of them doing experiments and gear tests in their factory and sometimes just some dude's backyard. When I got my tents they had a patch with the signature of the seamstress in sharpie. Yea sure you can fake that and it doesn't mean anything, but I think people would notice after a while. They have a pretty devoted following and clearly put a lot of thought into their shelters. Kinda reminds me of Warbonnet, or Hyperlite (before they moved manufacturing to Mexico).

If none of that shit matters, the Chinese hot tents are just a lot heavier and bulky. Almost useless for the back country IMO. I originally got my first Seek tent expressly for hot tenting, yea, but then I realized it weighed the same as my free standing 3P MSR tent, but with like twice the luxury, and I've never looked back. I use it for everything now. I don't even own any other tents.

I will say, if you are planning to hot tent, Seek's stoves are shit - get a Winnerwell fastfold or something. Seek's stoves are a bit lighter, but have a dozen little pieces to assemble and are fiddly as fuck. With the Fastfold, it's like an extra lb but it goes together in 30 seconds.

>>2845112
Obvious shill is obvious
Do better marketing-intern-san

>>2827319 (OP)
The one you just ordered is my go to, I went camping around NM, CO, UT, and AZ for 2 weeks recently and it never had a single problem. You can set it up in around 8 minutes and it's all you'll ever need. Nothing special.
>>2827357
don't listen to this faggot, he doesn't go outside.

>>2846414
Yeah man that other guy who replied is cooked. Its a great tent at a great price. Im glad its served you well, too. Thank you for the input!

>>2839113
Me and my friend shared that tent when we hiked the West Coast Trail. It was great
>>2839124
Thanks!
>>2839172
Thanks for the info. Thats a great price. Did you end up going out with it?
>>2839398
Based
>>2839400
I used to do the tarp thing too. Getting old now i guess. Hating bugs!

>>2839595
This looks comfy, bro. Very nice
>>2839596
Even better. Bravo
>>2839675
I hear you there. 600 is plenty when you've already got a good one
>>2840452
I use a tarp. There's no way im paying North Face 100$ for their version of a 10$ tarp
>>2840613
Sorry to hear that. You deserve better!
>>2842736
Kek. I am not a child and have money for hobbies
>>2842783
Did you try it!

>>2827348
>>2829923
a true king of the outdoors

>>2836812
looks ultra comfy. what's your power source for the lamps?

>>2827319 (OP)
They have a two person camo for the same price but you couldn’t find shit between Covid and Saint Floyd back then. Big net and single piece aluminum pole is nice. Downside is being forever alone. Comes with a footprint

do they sell spare rainflies or mats for naturehike tents? mine got rained and flooded for like 5 days straight and now i think the waterproofing is fucked

>tarpstar 2
>lanshan
>x-mid 1
so, any other tent I should know about to make my decision for a light tent purchase even harder?

and also if you happen to have any of these, would you buy it again if yours broke down?

>>2848070
Waterproofing is just spray on PFAS and seam tape. If nothing is ripped you just redo it

>>2848072
The only thing to note here is the durston is probably a step above either of the other 2. Silpoly is also a plus in my book.

I dearly hope that the people here are not serious about buying LARP tarps.

>>2829610
how tall are you in freedom units and what car is that?

>>2848103
>The only thing to note here is the durston is probably a step above either of the other 2.
yeah I think so too, its probably the smartest single person tent design I've come across, and the price is pretty good.
but I just keep thinking how I'd prefer to have a proper A frame tent if I have to deal with two poles for pitchin the thing

>>2827319 (OP)
Can you buy just the enclosed mesh with zipper door thing they use as "inner layer" in these commercial tents? I swear to god if i can solve the bug question my 3x3 tarp is already good enough as a shelter

>>2848159
yes
https://www.amazon.com/TOLVPWR-Ultralight-Mosquito-Tear-Resistant-Shelter/dp/B0F43R2GHY/

if you do google around a bit you can find other shapes as well.

>>2848159
Seatosummit or knockoffs has one which is a bottomless pyramid of netting which works really well if you are doing the whole tarp structure thing.