Thread 2828554

is mountaineering only for rich trustfund babies?

This is just climbing, mountaineering is even worse, its all of this stuff plus ice ax, crampons, way more expensive boots, all the snow gear that still lets you sweat a lot. Climbers can just wear rags and live out of vans and collect abandoned gear

>>2828554 (OP)
>is mountaineering only for rich trustfund babies?
Nope. Most mountaineers are poor

I do mountaineering (not climbing) and my gear cost about as much as tent/sleeping bag/other odds and ends for backpacking. If you don't have other hobbies the initial cost hurts a bit but after that it's not so bad. What fucking sucks is $1k+ guided climbs, but I don't know anyone else who would do glacier travel with me, so I mostly avoid it and just do winter scrambles, easier summits and such.

>>2828566
>I do mountaineering (not climbing)
You do hiking.

>>2828577
>but I don't know anyone else who would do glacier travel with me
where are you located anon?

>>2828577
Any tips getting into it? I'm not interested in climbing, but would like to do more exciting winter camping

>>2828554 (OP)
Read Kokou no Hito

>>2828554 (OP)
No. I got into it as a student, living entirely off a couple of scholarships and a part-time tutoring job. You just need to choose your targets carefully, obviously you can't afford to climb Everest or Denali unless you have a decent income.

>>2828577
>I do actual mountaineering!!
no
>muh gear is cheap!!
also no
You larp on /out/. That's what you do.

>>2828554 (OP)
Every outdoor hobby is. Not because the gear costs that much, but because poor people cannot take so much time off of work.

>>2828554 (OP)
no

>>2828554 (OP)
No it's also for young, autismos and sociopaths that get sponsored by being just on the edge of killing themselves for attaboys from a bunch of crusties and granola losers so that Chouinard can sell more microplastics!

>>2828554 (OP)
You might be onto something anon. Neither of my parents went to college but then my dad did well in business (boomer luck mode) and while I won't inherit a ton of money but I may get maybe 100k or something.

Anyways, my point is their success set me up to go to college and now I have a nice job where I make 6 figures. I finally, at 35, bought some mountaineering boots and ice axes, crampons. It was a HUGE major purchase for me and I felt guilty doing it...but now I ice climb 3-4 times a year (yes, that's it unfortunately) but I really love it and it makes me feel like a mountaineer even though it's fairly basic stuff.

That said, my point is that it took me many years to save up enough to justify it. I prioritized buying a house, paying off my car, and having NO debt except for my house. then I finally bought expensive gear.

>>2828743
bitter cope

>>2828554 (OP)
>couple grand spent on someones hobby
>YOU MUST BE RICH TRUSTFUNDY TO AFFORD ALL THAT!

>>2828807
kidlet detected

>>2828554 (OP)
When I was a teenage rock climber making $8 an hour at my local climbing gym I thought that spending a thousand bucks on climbing gear was an absurd burden. Then I grew up a little, graduated from minimum wage, met some people with some hobbies that were actually expensive, and realized I was being a retard. A basic set of climbing gear can be had for less than a $1000. Alpine climbing, ice climbing, mountaineering gear will cost another couple thousand. Maybe $5k if you want to be an all around mountain athlete. Less if you look for deals and buy used gear, more if you want brand new arcteryx clothing to go with your whole kit. Compared to many other sports, mountain sports are cheap.

>>2828554 (OP)
Always have been

>>2828554 (OP)
>30 quick draws
Why?

>>2829813
Also
>23 cams
>No nuts
Wtf are you even doing?
>5 ropes to match your five pairs of shoes
What in the absolute fuck are you doing?
Is your hobby climbing or collecting shiny aluminum?

>>2828558
>he doesn't just bum group gears by offering to belay
all you need is a harness/helmet/shoes if you're a total bum

>>2828554 (OP)
https://diaryofapunter.substack.com/p/on-breaking-my-neck-doing-what-i
its for retards

>>2829814
>No nuts
There are, they are at the top under the shoes

>>2829814
>5 ropes
How many ropes is too many? I got a skinny single 9mm, and 10mm cragging rope, and a pair of 30m doubles for glacier travel

been thinking of picking up a pair of 50 or 60m doubles for more serious alpine

>>2830324
It honestly depends on what you use them for. You can never have enough ropes, in my experience.

Post your mountaineering gear corners, /out/

>inb4 he doesn't have a mountaineering gear corner because he doesn't mountaineer

>>2830514
Something about this screams "used 1-2 times a year"

>>2830514
Why do "mountaineers" wear derpy hats like that? What's wrong with a beanie or a normal baseball cap?

>>2830532
Judging by the condition of it, it's used never.

>>2830588
>beanie
only gym climbers wear beanies

>normal baseball cap
nothing wrong with that, most of the people in my mountaineering club wear a normal ball cap + sun hoodie as long as it fits under a helmet
only the instagram posers (who don't get invited to many trips because of their attitude) wear garish stuff like that patagonia clown hat

>>2830532
>Something about this screams "used 1-2 times a year"
I mean, yeah, probably. Most people don't have the time off to go mountaineering every month bro. What do you expect?

>>2830965
>my mountaineering club
Sounds gay as fuck

>>2828554 (OP)
Lol real high camps are jammed with thousand yard stare starving slavs with 40 year old gear.

>>2828656
No need for the elitism. You just need to hike a mountain to mountaineer lol

Besides a few exceptions and some of the 14ers can't you just "hike" most of the tall summits out west during later summer and early fall before snow starts again?

>>2828554 (OP)
if it costs $20,000 minimum to summit the best mountains in the world, yes. however, do you actually need to spend large amounts of money when cheap items provide the same result?
>muh oh no my rope snapped and now I'm falling thousands of feet onto rocks
imagine wanting to fall on rocks and not die instantly. hoping you survive missing the point of mountaineering. it's about feeling alive. part of being alive is knowing that death always approaches.

>>2831594
>death always approaches
die on the mountain. choose your own adventure. select your final climb and go out in a blaze of glory like a man.

>>2830588
The one thing I'll say is that most normal baseball caps these days have too much structure, so you can't smush them down into a bag or whatever. Not a mountaineer but I ride motorcycles so it's also an issue for me, I've got one hat that I always bring on my bike because it's the only one I can safely crush and stick in the bungees on top of my tank bag.

>>2831336
This. Just go up a mountain lmao.

For every trust fund baby out there, there's five of us carrying around their junk, cleaning challets, selling gear and weed. Just like skiing.

I used to charge a flat rate plus per kilo for short distance portering. Best idea ever. The more someone's gear is worth the more reluctant they will be to abandon it or leave it anywhere, and in all likelihood the more money they had.

So if you were just doing a day walk for set climb, I'd take a whole group for $50. Might as well, had to cache things anyway and if I took all the business nobody would want to compete with me either so I got 100% of the other revenue.

So I ended up charging rich city people mountaineering rates to carry suitcases on day hikes. But often they legitimately wanted five grand of Kathmandu junk at their overnight camp, and simply didn't care what they paid me to carry it in relation to the cost of buying it and taking time off work. And I'd also walk random people up in season and sell thousands of dollars worth of shit.

I'm very angry they banned private portering, very angry. It was my way of life. But not only that, the expense of hiring park rangers to clean up litter is enormous, as is the cost of rescues, abc the trails are now far more dangerous because porters are sort of like defacto lifeguards. In exchange for selling water and earning a living carrying bags, the state got a peak season medical and tourism service. Their rangers couldn't even provide that level of service for the inflated pay they get, and the rangers are both faggots literally and spiritually.

>>2831336
>shasta
oy vey! do you have a loicense for climbing the peak?

>>2831594
>muh oh no my rope snapped and now I'm falling thousands of feet onto rocks
t. never climbed before

>>2830194
'Due to friability in the rock, what we thought was a route in unusually safe condition turned out to be almost lethal. On the final pitch of 16, as I was leading, the rock collapsed and much of my gear exploded out of the placements. I fell around 20 meters. My left arm was shattered severely, and my right arm was also broken, albeit less severely. Worst of all I fractured two vertebrae in my neck.'
>we earnestly believed this 16 pitch route was in unusally safe condition

Mountaineering is a sport that is the very opposite of retardation. It's a 1000's strong list of 'don't do this thing that this list of retards did' and climbing usually shitty rock in Scotland is one of those things not to do.

>>2829630
Where are the best places to get second hand mountain gear?

>>2833631
Nowhere.
Don't buy used gear, you can't know the history of it.

>>2833631
>>2833896
There is plenty of used gear you can buy. Just don't buy used ropes.

>>2833631
>>2833899
You don't buy used gear ever. That's a major no-no.

>>2833631
>>2833896
>list of 'don't do this thing that this list of retards did'
I mean you could buy metal protection gear if it was nuts, hexes and they are not obviously worn flat.
Soft anything - NO are you fucking retarded. Cams - NO but LOTS do.
Krabs - people do, I wouldn't. They last 30+ fucking years if you don't use them as hammers, why cheap out you rats.
Crampons - not for me, potential dead man's shoes.
Ice axe - maybe if pristine richfag deitrus but then it won't be cheap anyway right.

>>2833959
Lmao no. You do NOT buy used climbing gear.

>>2829813
looks like one set of alpines, one set of ultralight wire draws, and one set of sport quickdraws

so a rich gearfag techbro who fell for the "you need separate gear for separate tasks" meme

>>2833950
>>2833962
I buy used gear all the time…I even have a booty rack of gear I’ve found on climbs. Used, broken gear of course you don’t use, but why are you paying money for that? Yall don’t climb lol

>>2834278
If I was going pure sport climbing for the day I’d leave my alpines at home. Maybe bring one for a quick tether or to rack all my draws to while I’m chillin. Many different pieces of gear for many different purposes. Again, you don’t climb lol

>>2828554 (OP)
Yes, if you want to do it to the modern standard of "best practice" for safety.
No, if you do it dodgy/ old fashioned/ with less equipment. You have to be braver and tougher and more willing to die, though.

>>2837723
Too lazy to tidy up shit for a picture, but there are ropes, quickdraws and stuff on blue bag, box under brown bag have sleeping bags and tent.

>>2828558
>all of this stuff
Minus all those cams, nuts, most of those quickdraws and way less rope. If you're not climbing over 5000 metres, you don't even need super expensive boots.

>>2837725
>>2837723
mold

>>2828582
>>2828577
>>2828566
what the heck is mountaineering exactly

>>2828554 (OP)
most hobbies are

>>2837779
It won't mold, this corner is pretty dry and the stuff is being used pretty much every weekend

>>2837723
>>2837890
Wrong boots and wrong pack, and yeah that's def mold on the wall.

every outdoor activity is becoming a trustfund hobby as gas prices rise and jobs become increasingly slavery tier and traffic becomes increasingly more congested requiring even more time to get out of suburban cores to real outdoors

hell i hiked mount baker the other day and the entire parking lot was trustafarians, boomers and rich chinks. being able to experience real wilderness is becoming a rich mans hobby just due to the nature of increasing park fees.

thats why i just park and refuse to pay and eat the tickets and change my plate every year

>>2837895
This boot is only for holding the structure of the barrack, I'm using a Salomon Outrise.
The mold never really affected any stuff on this corner, even when letting them there for months.

>>2837900
>real wilderness is becoming a rich mans hobby just due to the nature of increasing park fees

There are no fees to climb Mt Baker.

>>2837781
It's a blend of climbing, scrambling, and hiking. Anons on this board will hike up a trail and then tell you they "climbed" a mountain but they can't tire a figure 8.

Going up the mountain is way way cheaper than going down. Mountain bikes cost as much as motorcycles and ski resort passes are fucking extortionate.